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People seemed all too willing in my opinion to give up their freedoms based on their government's wishes surrounding this Covid flu.  At what point would you as a citizen decide enough is enough and you are not willing to comply with their guidance any longer?  Maybe you were ok with masks, willing to get a shot, think others should before going outside, don't mind a 'jab' every 6 months, but don't think people should be jailed for not doing so...  I'd like to see the results of where you as a citizen would draw the line, and feel free to post comments about what you would do once that line is crossed by your government.

I was okay with masks for about a week until I realize they do absolutely nothing for most people. I happened to see this headline today - https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/calls-for-renewed-mask-mandate-grow-as-delta-fuels-covid-surge-in-nyc-u-s/3161139

American pediatric association now recommends children, toddlers, above the age of 2 to begin masking up in school. There are something like 300 known cases in the entire US of those under 18 catching Covid and dying from it....there are 74 million minors in the US, so about 0.0004054054 percent of children have died from Covid. Child has a better chance of dying from literally anything else and yet they are masking up toddlers? Purely political, as with most things. No sense in complying with covid restrictions anymore. They aren't rooted in reality.

This doesn't really make sense. They reduce transmission of the virus. Without masks, undoubtedly millions more people would have been infected, and thousands more would have died.

Hypothetically speaking:

If you're sick with the rona and you cough a giant loogie, and chunkies of it fly up your grandmother's nostrils and she catches the virus, its because neither of you are wearing masks.

I don't know what metric you're using to establish what "doing something" entails, but simply reducing transmission of virus-containing respiratory droplets definitely counts in my book.

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Everybody else, keep your panties on: most of you are literally at Stage 1 or Stage 0; you just don't realize it because its more exciting to pretend the government is after you.

May be there's something political about the COVID19 pandemic in Africa that makes someone like me not believe it exists in that continent at all. I'm really nonchalant about the whole thing, honestly. How else do you restrict people and force them to wear masks and maintain COVID19 protocol in certain quarters and not in certain quarters? Take Nigeria for instance, banks, supermarkets, government offices and corporate organizations force one to observe those stuff but during political rallies and burials the guidelines aren't obeyed. It makes one wonder if there are certain areas the virus isn't permitted to move to. It's really hilarious.

You're talking about symptomatic spread, which I don't dispute masks probably help. I'm talking about masking up if you do not exhibit any symptoms, regardless if you've got the jab or not.

By the way, this is what most virologists were saying back in March -- that it it's useless for the general population to mask up unless you're actively exhibiting symptoms. The guidelines changed when there was speculation about asymptomatic spread, but even to this day, there isn't much evidence that asymptomatic/presymptomatic people act as chief vectors of transmission, there never was. And masks do not protect you from being infected with the virus, they only (allegedly) protect you from transmitting the virus, the CDC even acknowledges as much, and so does Dr. Facui. Masking only protects those around you, not yourself.

We have the data for children, 300 known cases of deaths from Covid of people under 18 in the US, and the data isn't clear what type of other conditions those children had, whether the had extreme obesity, whether they died *from* covid, or they died *with* covid, so on. EU, same story, less than one tenth of one percent of all Covid deaths are from children. You're talking about masking up 3 year olds with the new guidelines, they don't know how to use a mask and those masks will become germ traps. Is there *any* evidence at all which examines mask efficacy in reducing Covid spread in children? Doubt it.

Masks work if you're symptomatic and if you use them properly. For medical professionals, if you touch your mask, you need to replace it because you've now contaminated your hands with whatever is on your mask. Do we expect 3 year olds to not touch their mask? If you sweat in your mask, if you build up mucus and saliva in your mask, you need to replace it immediately because the efficacy goes down. Do we expect children to be able to do this?

The doctors know that children are extremely low risk of Covid, they know masks do nothing for children, and yet here we are.

C'mon man!  Do a real survey.  95% or more of the sheeple will NEVER stop complying no matter what is thrown at them.  That should be abundantly clear by now.

'Growning citizen pushback' is integral to the 'new normal' and 'great reset'.  The biggest problem the designers have is to how TO get people to resist.  In a funny way, it's probably the pliant masses who will cause the greatest hurdle to 'their plans'.  They overdid it on fluoride or something I guess.

You are missing one answer in your poll and that is to always comply. I understand that people feel violated if the have to take the vaccine. But we need to think for other people, not only ourselves. I am fairly young and even if I would get the corona virus it would probably just be mild  symptoms. My grandmother however with 90 years is not going to have a mild corona infection. I don't want to risk getting her sick, that's why I got the vaccine.

Corona Viruses have been around for at least 90 years, and I have been around for 79 of them. This means that for everu day of my life I have been exposed to infection, and, apart from the usual childhood infections that built up my immune system, I haven't has any sickness other than a few overnight sicknesses. I don't take any pharmaceutical or recreational drugs, and I don't use any of the so-called health supplements. I've completely ignored the covid restrictions and recommendations, except when receiving a polite request to wear a mask when entering a supermarket. I am aware that every single one of the government guidelines id designed to increase the spread of the infection, reduce the natural immunity of the population, or to extend the period of infection in a person. Mask wearing is one example. All reserch shows that it has nbo measurable impact on the spread of infection, but it does give people a false sense of security.  The immune system has a variety of methods that it uses to dispose of infection and toxins, and these include exhalation of breath, urination and defecation. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to realise that reinhalation of exhaled toxins is similar to eating you infected excrement.

I have adopted a lifestyle that removes me fron most of the government restyrictions, but I an concerned about forced injection of poisons, and the so-called passports. I would like a cretifucate that states I am unvaccinated, and thus healthier than the pharma company slaves.

But a general rule has to be applied, surely?

If masks prevent symptomatic spread, then it makes sense that everyone who has symptoms should have to wear a mask.

So how to best ensure that everyone with symptoms wears a mask?

A) Make everyone wear masks. Simple. And despite the vociferous objections from certain quarters, there is almost zero inconvenience. It's the obvious answer.

B) Tell people that you should wear a mask if you have symptoms. Result: some people with symptoms wear masks. Other people with symptoms see the request as (and I have no idea why) some sort of outrageous imposition on their human rights, and don't wear a mask, claiming not to have symptoms. Other people with symptoms don't wear a mask because "it's just a cough, it's not Covid", etc.

Option A is clearly preferable. Same reason that motorways have a speed limit. The blanket rule ensures optimum safety. Professional racing drivers would probably still be capable of driving safely at much higher speeds... but this isn't a reason to abandon the speed limit and ask people to drive at whatever speed they find comfortable.

i would like to extend that number waaaaaay up.

corona viruses has been around for thousands and thousands of years, they are with us since ancient times and probably evolved with us since the dawn of time.

using corona viruses to scare the entire world is just a load of crap..."novel" my ass...it is/was raining novel/variants/mutations since corona viruses existed.

it is like seeing a new breed of dog evolved to another form of dog and the whole world goes ape shit LOL

The list doesn't make sense. If you "comply" with the vaccination, how would you stop complying further down the list?

Since when is lying a good public health strategy? Be clear, be honest. Bureaucrats have been telling people that "the science" says masks help reduce Covid transmission, they make no distinction between symptomatic and asymptomatic people.

If you're vaccinated, there is almost a zero percent chance you'll be symptomatic and have the ability to transmit the virus, so why mask up vaccinated individuals? It's ridiculous.

This is the Trump effect in action, where politicians will do a complete 180 given his position. We're at dementia levels of delusion when you tell people to start masking up 3 year olds. Orwellian type stuff, not rooted in any science, any logic, any rationality. I wish I was exaggerating.  I'm thinking that people associate masks with mental fortitude, so it just makes them more comfortable with their insecurities, so they push it on everyone else. I feel sorry for the hypochondriacs that are vaxxed and still masking, a very sad existence to live so fearfully.

I was hoping this wouldn't be the case, but you can really see the brainwashed sheep on this thread.  It looks like currently 71.4% of people who have voted think it would be ok for the government to take someone's property and send them to jail unless they get vaccinated to slightly reduce effects for 8 months from a flu.  I get that it's likely idiots trolling, but maybe some of them actually believe this.  It's common human behavior.  Misery loves company.  If you're a sheep who is scared of the government, you want everyone to be a sheep scared of the government.  You might even steal from and incarcerate those who are free or in this case, hope the government does it for you.  I hope this is more a result of people trolling and isn't indicative of real opinions.  Otherwise, I vote that we permanently remove the laughable nickname, "The Home of the Brave" because all I see is fearful children begging for the government to save them from the flu.  Absolutely the most pathetic thing I've witnessed so far in my life. 

You are only vaccinated against some variants.  We don't know what variants are out there.

That is why all measures need to be taken by everyone.  The dodo birds who refuse to wear masks and get vaccinated make things worse
as they prolong the pandemic and give a chance for a virus to mutate into something that might be difficult to manage.

This thing is not over.  Get vaccinated asap, and wear the fucking mask at all times.

There were no variants until they started the vaccination gene therapy and it radically increased the evolutionary pressure on the virus.


We 50% who got the seasonal cold virus SARS-cov-2 have durable life-long immunity to all of the 'scariants'.  Most of us didn't even know it because the thing was so mild.  We're good, and we are pulling the weight of herd immunity for your lame ass.

You 'vaccinated' trans-humans, on the other hand, are totally fucked.  Seems that the 'vaccine' provides at best limited relief from one minor strain and no others.  Now you cannot risk a wild-strain coronavirus, or even probably some of the scariants that the 'vaccinated' are making, because of antibody dependent enhancement so you are going to have to have boosters as far as the eye can see.  They are even talking about one booster per month!

Worse still, people who had good immunity from having kicked the infection get their protective antibodies wiped out by the vaccine gene therapy.  That's why 'vaccinated' people cannot donate convalescent blood.  The blood simply doesn't work any more.


You are so totally fucked already that the muzzle induced hypoxia, facial sores, teeth falling out of your bleeding and rotting gums, etc, probably isn't all that big a deal.  You are probably going to be heading for the great muzzled-up social-distanced home-quarantine in the sky within a few years anyway.  Might as well get used to it for your last few years on earth.  Mask up; that way you might 'get lucky' and die a relatively normal death from bacterial pneumonia...now known as a 'covid death' just as is head trauma from a motorcycle crash.

1. Humans are great apes.
2. Gorillas are great apes.
3. Chimpanzees are great apes.
But... humans are not gorillas, and humans are not chimpanzees. Make a note of this; it will become important in a moment.


1. Sars-CoV-2 is a coronavirus.
2. MERS, with a death rate of 37.2% (https://idpjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40249-021-00853-0#:~:text=Results,CI%3A%2030.9%E2%80%9234.6%25).), is a coronavirus.
3. The common cold is a coronavirus.
But... SARS-CoV-2 is not the common cold or (thankfully) MERS. It is a novel coronavirus that has been responsible for millions of deaths (and if you dispute 'reason for death', then just look at data on excess deaths).

I'll give up once it comes to jail time or big fines/seizure. Look, I don't like forced vaccination, but what can I do if the big guys threaten to put me in jail? Not all countries are like US where you guys can have guns, thus have means to fight the stupid government. Yes, my health is precious, but my ass also should be kept virgin or I might lose my mental health.

Nope.  It stayed just as meaningless as before.


Every generation of these things has some mutations as a function of their modes of function.  There are a near-infinite number of 'novel' examples of coronavirus.  You cannot spook people who have a basic understanding of basic biological science...which explains nicely why the education system is so broken.

Yeah, we do know what variants are out there. The delta variant is the only one that shows evidence of higher transmissibility and there isn't any evidence that shows vaccinated people should be worried about it. The vaccines are extremely effective against variants, so if you are vaxxed and are worried about variants, you are paranoid and fearful without any evidence to support your concerns.



It is *never* going to be over. Ask any virologist that is honest and won't sugar coat things. Coronavirus is too transmissible and it is impossible to inoculate every man, women, and child in the world to prevent its spread completely. They will tell you Covid will be here forever, and will become like the flu, something seasonal. This is never going away. For Covid to go away you need to vaccinate the entirety of the world simultaneously. Isn't going to happen. Say Europe and North America vaccinate enough to reach herd immunity. Do you think India is going to be able to vaccinate their 1 billion plus population in time for Covid to not mutate and produce a new variant? Eventually, there will be a variant that the vaccines will not be effective against. Do we start the doom and gloom process over again, restricting liberties and shutting down businesses over a virus with a 99.5+ percent survival rate?

'Covid' is the easiest disease to get over in the history of mankind.  Just turn off your TV and radio and Poof! It's Gone!

The work is not over yet though.  It will come back with a vengeance unless we recognize the festering corruption within the media, medical, governance, etc institutions who brought this hoax upon us and weed them out too.  Fortunately a lot of them marked themselves spectacularly in their desperate efforts at this genocide.

When the second tower comes down
https://youtu.be/N_dcB47y2ts

I agree with you there, if my choices are get injected with an unknown substance or give up my virgin ass, I’d take the substance. Luckily in the US we do have guns, but that’s only a government deterrent so long as there are citizens with balls to use those guns. I see less and less evidence of this daily.

Pandemic is so bad people start vandalizing  gas chambers "vaccine" shooting sides
https://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/generalnews/2021/07/19/covid-protests-in-france-2-vaccination-centers-vandalized_85dc37ba-ff43-41a3-8660-8c7b89e7caf1.html

Where on earth did Gene Therapy came from the vaccination? from some scientist/professional wanna be?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy)


Data's are everywhere, researches are everywhere, professionals backing the datas.

And for some reasons some youtuber/vlogger makes a statement and you people be like "WOW, it is indeed true"

In large part it came from the pharma industry itself which bent over backward to raise money for their gene therapy technology.

Fundementally, 'gene therapy' is about using specially designed genes inserted into cells to program the cell to make a protein of choice.  If the protein happens to be an antigen, then the gene therapy can function as a 'vaccine'.  In theory.


Anyone who understands this stuff will recognize in this article:

 - nothing we are not already familiar with, and

 - from the first sentence and proceeding through the entire article a chain of straw-men, assumptions, deliberated vague information, deliberately missing information, diversion tactics, etc.

These tactics are THE reason that we who do have a reasonably firm grasp of the science do not trust the mainstream media AT ALL.  They clearly have an agenda, and they are clearly using every propagandist device they can think of to mis-lead the scientifically illiterate public.  They would not be writing stuff like this if they were trustworthy.

I could go through the article point-by-point, but it would be tedious.  The main value would be to teach how propaganda works more than the actual science, but I'm not sure that anyone would get much about either lesson.


One of the most credible people I've seen so far is Dr. Robert Malone.  He claims to be the first person, acting as a young researcher, to identify that one of the main problems the research team was having in their work on gene therapy back in the 1980's was that the gene therapy WAS acting as something of a 'vaccine'.  In other words, the immune system was learning about the novel/foreign proteins being created and/or recognizing self-cells which were 'acting funny' and mounting a response to them.

I find Malone to be credible because he uses precise language and doesn't seem to try to blow smoke up my ass.  A LOT of the scientists/doctors who are ostensibly 'on my side' ARE guilty of such things.  It is OK to (and necessary to) 'dumb it down', but it must be done precisely.  At least in order to be credible with someone like me.

Oh Lordy, just in - CDC reverses its masking guidelines again: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/27/health/cdc-masks-indoors-delta-variant.html

No, you should not mask if you are vaccinated. There is no honest scientist that can point to any studies or any data that suggests the delta variant is causing prolific spread amongst those vaccinated. This is more alarmism being pushed by bureaucrats making public policy decisions on morality and not reasoning. No one wants to be responsible for killing grandma, so instead of dealing with Covid using an evidence based approach, we'll put the band aid on of masking. I don't have any doubt that now that the almighty CDC has spoken, the entire globe will adopt new masking guidelines. I hope people push back - the deal was vaccination, and you take off the mask.

If you read the article you linked you might find that the issue is mainly with areas that have low vaccination rates. But don't let this stop your anti-mask crusade.

We need to start a campaign to get people to drink their own usine, and eat their own excrement. It is the same concept as wearing a mask so that you re-breathe youe own exhalation.

'They've' been pushing hard on just that for a while now.  When it was trial-ballooned in California to 'save the environment' and 'prepare for climate catastrophe', you would not be surprised to learn that many Californians thought it was a swell idea.  At least you would not be surprised if you know much about the state of California.

Yeah that's not the issue, the issue the CDC is flipping on is whether vaccinated individuals should mask up. I'm not actually anti-mask, because I don't care if people think a flimsy porous mask made for 2 cents in China actually provides any protection (they actually do very little, reminder - a mask is not an N95 grade respirator, respirators help, masks might help marginally). It's your own choice to mask up. The problem is, actual scientists won't be truthful about the efficacy of masks, and then they will implement anti-scientific policy like masking up vaccinated people without evidence to suggest that vaccinated people act as chief vectors of transmission. Contrary to the anti-maskers, all I ask for is a data driven approach, not flipping a coin or rubbing the magic 8 ball.

Yeah imagine if someone would be capable of changing their opinion based on new facts, such as a new strain of a virus. Totally unacceptable.

If you happen to live in one of the shitholes with insufficient levels of vaccination that are affected by this new guidance - blame your hillbilly neighbors. Besides it's just CDC saying things. Local authorities - the ones you presumably voted for - implement the actual rules.

People (like me) who predicted, before the gene therapy injections were even being used, that there would be 'new strains' and these would be used to justify the endless boosters, there is not much to change one's over.

I would be less critical if they were honest about what they were doing, but the pandemic is over. If you chose not to get vaccinated and you need it, that's just natural selection.

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1420072976075079688

They aren't actually changing the guidelines on any new facts, if they were, they would cite what the facts were. They're putting a band aid over the delta variant because of break through cases. But, all available data as of now suggests that those who test positive for Covid after a vaccine have a more mild infection than they would had they not gotten vaccinated. And the chance of death following a break through case is incredibly small. So perhaps the angle is protecting those that are unvaccinated, but if they're just worthless hillbillies, who cares?

Excellent example of almost perfect demolition!     8)

Indeed.  Once you see the money grab taking place, you can't help but feel sorry for the young people who own no property and are being groomed for a lifetime of bi-annual booster shots to enrich pharmaceutical companies while justifying universal insurance coverage and universal incomes.  Meanwhile they're digging an inflation grave for themselves to pay for this that is certain to land them as renters and wage earners for their entire lives with very little chance to ever reach financial freedom as ever expanding regulations and taxes make starting an extremely profitable business impossible.  There's nothing new here...  The rich get richer, the peasants lose freedoms. 

I personally believe that coronavirus is not just some sort of conspiracy and is indeed affecting our lives as of today. I can only comply with wearing masks when I'm in indoor places that have a quite certain huge amount of people inside such as malls and etc.

I may consider getting vaccinated but not on my priority list. Note that my reason for just "trying" to consider vaccination is not because I am anti-vaxxer but because I don't like how the government in my country handles the said program. Everyone is rushing out to be vaccinated not because they are more likely to be afraid of getting ill but because they will no longer be allowed to purchase goods in the groceries if they don't have the card. That is too much for me, and sadly for a thousand people being in the vaccination area, only a few hundred are catered to every single day.

Although they used a lot of standard industry techniques as well, it is not common to use nanothermite for pulverization the way the did on the tall towers.  Certainly not at that time several decades ago.  The substance was in widespread use in underground fracking though so I've read.

Building 7, on the other hand, was pretty much classic, and pretty well executed by most industry analyst's judgements.

Everyone knew that there would be new variants. At least everyone who understands how evolution works. If there is a global pandemic, how much virus replication is happening? It would be impossible for zero mutations to occur in such a vast population.

It's also self-evident that because the vaccines were created to combat the initial strain, some new variants would arise that required new vaccines. Your post doesn't need the inverted commas around 'new strains'. Nor does it need the phrase 'gene therapy'.

Nope.  Mere months ago it was a 'crazy conspiracy theory' by us 'anti-vaxxer nutcases' that they were setting up to have continuous boosters as a fallout of this plandemic which is based on the common cold.

They are relying on the relatively new phenomenon that people have less memory than an average goldfish these days.  It's a fair bet that the ever increasing 'childhood vaccination schedule' is in significant part responsible for this phenomenon, though other devices are certainly a factor as well.

The media just was really successful in scaring everyone with all those statistics and all this news, I think this was the reason so many people gave away their freedom. But people are getting tired of all this restrictions. And you can see no government has the balls to make vaccination mandatory for everybody because no one will comply with that. ;D

It is more likely that a child will commit suicide while complying with covid restrictions (due to the covid restrictions) than for a child to die from covid.

Should people who don't get periods still wear tampons? Should I wear a band-aid if I am not bleeding? Should I wear a seatbelt in my car if I am talking on the phone while parked in a parking lot?

It is not necessary to have 100% compliance for preventative measures to be effective. IMO, attempts to get 100% compliance with things such as mask-wearing likely actually reduced compliance as some people likely did not wear a mask as a principal of not allowing unelected bureaucrats to tell them what to do. 
The vaccines have shown to be effective in preventing hospitalizations and death against the delta variant. Those who are vaccinated tend to have a case that is similar to a mild flu case. I don't think it is reasonable to take serious preventative measures to stop cases of a mild flu.

FIFY

Unfortunately public health officials have lost nearly all credibility. When you admit to lying to the public about recommendations and thresholds, and when you shout down anyone who dissents or even questions your opinions, people are not going to trust you. Public health officials have repeatedly refused to explain the rationale behind their opinions, and uses the claim that they are "experts" to demand people listen to them.
Unfortunately, the left was willing to reduce confidence in the vaccine in order to harm Trump politically, and Biden is unwilling to put Trump in a position to be able to influence people into getting the vaccine, which would help Trump politically. Instead, Biden chooses to insult all the mothers (and everyone else) who have not gotten the vaccine yet. Those on the left were practically cheering when studies came out showing that hydroxy was not effective in treating covid.

I am at my breaking point. They won't fucking put a thing in my nose, they won't fucking make me have their fucking Certificated of Vaccination ID (covidpass)... and if they think they will touch me with their mrna experimental injections... I am at the point of prefering to die fighting them and I mean the real power behind this, than surrendering or crawling in the wildnerness...

We should just follow scientific advices and especially help less developed countries to fight covid by improving medical supply.

Meanwhile, distributing more money to everyone who is affected by covid should be standard procedure. Badly, Republicans are blocking it.

People not willing to be vaccinated should not receive any government money anymore.

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

Well yeh that would mean isolating the virus to proof it exist from scientic standpoint. As this has not happend it exist only on lying news.

I think you’ll be setting the stage for getting vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of your life while simultaneously weakening the human race’s natural immunity response to threats making us as a species less likely to survive coming threats while becoming increasingly dependent on government to keep us alive.

You probably should specify whether the so-called 'vaccine' you talk about is one of the mRNA varieties (Pfizer, Moderna), DNA (Astra, J&J, etc) or old school direct antigen (Sino-vac/pharm).

Also you should probably specify both the time and the region.  It's getting more clear that, generally, the 6-million-ish (!) fully vaccinated in Israel via a single-source  high-unit-cost production run through Pfizer isn't having very many adverse reactions compared to what is happening to other populations.  Specifically they didn't notice the heart inflammation issues to the degree that others have.  Then it also seems to be having zero effect on SARS-cov-2 virus infection rates either.  The hypothesis suggested is that it's a different substance being injected in Israel than what is given to the average person in many of 'the nations'.  This is simply a (possible) illustration of different regions getting different injections.  AstraZeneca destined for injection into Indian people's arms is labeled as not for injection in Europe so I've heard people say.

As for time, it seems that observations of adverse reactions to the jab have subtly shifted with time.  It looks a lot to me as though there is a feedback loop between observed effects and composition of the jab.  Nobody ever said that this was not happening.  There remains no independent and transparent analysis of the production runs, and they continue to be shipped with blank inserts where ingredients and other information about an approved injection are to be found.

all Covid measures are useless and pointless and a waste of ressources and Money.

It's not as simple as people who do anything the government wants, and people who don't.
Obviously this varies from country to country... but I don't trust my government at all, I think they are incompetent and entirely self-serving, with zero concern for the welfare of the population... they are interested solely in enriching themselves and their friends, and couldn't care less what happens to ordinary people.
But I've been vaccinated, and I still wear a mask in public, even though the government has said that we don't need to wear them.

I don't follow the government, and I don't believe they have my best interests at heart. But I have a scientific background, and I follow the data. I started taking precautions and switched to working from home as soon as I saw that this thing would start to roll in from Italy and Spain. And I'll continue making decisions based on the facts, rather than any government propaganda. Those grasping fools don't understand how exponential progression works, and they wouldn't care even if they did... they're happy to let people die so long as their own economic interests don't take too much of a hit.

there is still hope for you then  :D

just let me keep on stimulating your brains(pro vaxx)..something got fucked up in there after getting vaxxed (the thinking part, turned the pro vaxx into morons), sooner or later my therapy will work on you  ;D  ..you are doing great..  ;)

The point is that we don't know what the long term effects of vaccination are. It will take a ferw years to discover if the escaped spike proteins from the vaccines that attack to various organs will affect their function. Their is concern about their permanent presence in women's ovaries for example. It is also clear that vaccination doesn't provide full protection, and that it impairs the operation of the adaptive immune system. On balance, I still believe that a normal healthy person will get better protection, and have fewer side effects by relying on the system created by mother nature. It has helped us survive for thousands of years.

The panic of the governments to get everybody vaccinated is also making me believe that there is an underlying political issue that is not related to health. Vaccines are designed to prevent disese, and not to cure it. Giving a vaccine to an infected person just creates variants, and escalates our war with pathogens. Just look at what is happening through the misuse of antibiotics.

Also. I wonder what was discovered during the decades of testing mRNA vaccines, and why they are suddenly being deployed without any successful long term test results.

Another one, disregarding all the links given just to say that the isolation doesn't exist.

And add the, all of those are just lies.

for thousands of years people have handed down knowledge about herbs and food/diet as medicine for colds/flu..this existing knowledge proves that we have been dealing with corona viruses for a looooooooooooong time.

agriculture started when? some literature says 4000 years ago, some says a lot longer..farming animals can produce corona viruses that can harm us. aside from farming bat caves existed a lot longer than agricultural farming, that is why around the world, different cultures have their own passed down knowledge for colds/flu remedy.

for thousands of years these viruses have mutations, strains and variants. we are built for this shit.

There is definitely no scientific basis for taking the vaccine every six months. The death rate for the new variant is below that of the Flu, although it is more contagious. There might be an argument for someone who is vulnerable to get vaccinated regularly, but not the general population.

Over time there will be more variations and they will become less deadly. I don’t think many people will be willing to get vaccinated more than once. Trust in public health officials is too low, and trust that politicians will not impose restrictions on the vaccinated won’t be there.

The way the media is inciting fear I think it is somewhat reasonable to expect a lot of people to want to protect themselves and their families by just going along with the norm. Now that a lot of jobs are requiring it, many people don’t even have a choice. I think it’s somewhat important for those of us with a choice to exercise that choice so that society doesn’t get too comfortable with mandates.

Well, if they're just little babies afraid of needles then maybe we shouldn't make fun of them.

There is a labor shortage right now, so I have my doubts that many companies are going to follow through with firing people for not getting vaccinated. It is more likely that companies will delay allowing the unvaccinated back into the office, but will allow them to continue to WFH.

The trust in public health officials is quickly declining, as is the case with the media.

I really don't think the numbers can account for covid restrictions based on the number of deaths. IMO the left is trying to reinstitute restrictions in order to account for modified voting rules that will allow them to cheat in the 2022 election (and beyond).

It's much simpler, they're terrified of getting infected even after the jab for god knows what reason.

Oh Nose!  Lambs on their way to the slaughter are trying to make fun of me.  What ever am I going to do?

I am referring to politicians. The covid restrictions in 2020 were an excuse for the modified voting rules not authorized by state legislature, as required by the constitution, and these modified voting rules resulted in Biden getting elected, and Democrats keeping the house.

I think left politicians are trying to institute covid restrictions incrementally, to prevent a revolt that would be likely if something like new lockdowns were reinstituted.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-covid-adviser-americans-need-to-wear-n95-masks

Former Biden admin. Covid-19 health adviser says the quiet part out loud. Read for yourself his statements, don't take my word. He says that the cloth masks everyone has been wearing haven't really done much in stopping the virus going in or out and that heavier duty masks are required. This isn't a right wing nut job, this is someone who used to advise Joe Biden and his staff. This person isn't a mask cultist, and is looking at the data which demonstrate that masks are not effective outside of specific and careful laboratory conditions in stopping Covid spread. I'm glad he's speaking out, because once people ditch the mask, they'll take measures that work, like the vaccine, or social distancing, which are demonstrable methods of stopping Covid spread.

You might watch his Joe Rogan appearance, this is the only interview that I can find that is long form - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw This was over a year ago, but much of the info holds true, so he happened to get a lot right.

I will always do my best to comply to all covid-19 restrictions but I can always decide to choose my path of the precautionary measures that sooth my well being not doing things that can never have effect or makes me look stupid. I've always wearing my nose mask and maintaining social distances when in the outer world, but I don't think I can ever get vaccinated looking at the current vaccine complains.

"At what point will you stop complying with Covid restrictions?"



"Comply" being the key word here
My state was early in mask mandates and I felt like it was a government overreach until constantly hearing the complaints about the "loss of liberty".

With liberty comes the responsibility of making your own choices on the other hand it has become painfully clear that most people don't have the time or ability to always chose wisely.

I hate wearing a mask and almost always only do so when required---I say "almost" because I'll wear one in crowds.

I am pro-vaccine, everyone who wants one should get one at no charge  and the world has the will and resources to make that happen, I'm also a former Rotarian so that's a deeply embedded belief even pre-covid.

And even though I am vaccinated I am against my government opting for forced vaccinations and would get active on the matter.
Anyone who does not want to take it shouldn't have to, I'll stand up for your right not to.
So while I'd comply by choice I would dissent and act on principle.


BTW there were no helmet laws when I lived in South Carolina; I still wore an f'ing motorcycle helmet when riding.

Don't be afraid of the american "SAVAK" (the secret police of the overthrown "shah" of iran)... they are exactly like they were. lying, corrupt, malfeasant, ignoble little cowards, who support childrape (epstein/pedogate), 911 lies and cover ups, or the election steal...

Indeed, the only thing is that the gov't should GIVE the right informations about being vaccinated and how the vaccine works in the pandemic, then let the audience decide if they're ready to take or not. Cause you already give the things, and should not be forced. (Note: the talk should be 2 way so the audience can question the speaker regarding some confusing manners)

I am not yet vaccinated, but waiting to be vaccinated as I already registered for one, but don't have any schedule yet. Plus I am currently in my internship so taking a leave for a walk in vaccination is a no-no.

What about the crimes commited, like placing intentionnally sick old people in care facilities to increase death toll (cf cuomo, whitmer?), what about the suppression of effective cheap treatment (HCQ, Ivermectine, Zinc, vit. c, d)? to remain unpunished like all the users of the epstein facilities and products or 911 / wtc 7? Most wasps can only disappoint me, more and more.

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I don't know the reference of what you are talking about, or you are just assuming things as every conspiracy out there.

Suppression? or is it just that this kind of meds are being used for treatments designated for it, plus the limited stocks of it. In such things, you needed prescription as it is not a over the counter drug (+ insufficient studies will defend the claims for this med, thus informations like this will make people panic and buy stocks of the drugs, that will eventually result to shortage if needed by medical facilities and such)


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https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-zealand-to-enter-lockdown-after-recording-first-local-covid-19-case-in-six-months

New Zealand entering Covid lockdown over *first* Covid case in 6 months.

Not a total overreaction or anything, but who knows, maybe a lockdown actually works in this scenario.

New Zealand is an island after all, and they are catching the cases early. Reason other lockdowns never worked is because once community transmission already gets going, it's impossible to physically isolate to the degree needed to stop transmission.

Also to consider though - the delta variant is more transmissible than alpha, so the lockdown may not matter in the end. Time will tell.

That is ridiculous. Covid tests are not even 100% accurate, so a single positive may be a false positive.

Their economy is not going to be able to sustain sudden lockdowns over a single case. Either people will be out of work due to the snap lockdowns, or the government will need to borrow to pay for stimulus and transfer payments that cannot go on forever without high inflation, or investors declining to continue purchase government bonds, or both.

They should focus on getting their citizens vaccinated with one of the Trump vaccines, so cases will not matter.

I don't think it's a false positive as all medias reported that it's a Delta variant case. It would be a joke for the whole world if it turned out to be a false case.

I agree that it's overreacting to lock down the entire country although the Delta variant is dangerous. Locking down the city/area where the case founded would be more appropriate. China has done well this strategy. Locking down infected area immediately when number of cases still in low and test all citizens in that area within a few days to find out F0, and then test a few more times to make sure no F0 exists in the community. But this requires a lot of facilities and capabilities.

No doubt vaccines is the key but buying vaccines at this time is not easy, especially when rich countries are planning on a third dose. I'm not sure if it's New Zealand case but it's a real headache to poorer countries. My country is an example, few vaccines results in low vaccinated percentage and prolonged lock down. People lose their jobs and migrate from big cities to hometown, bringing with them the virus. I don't even know when this situation might get better.

I think you're right : we should be able to trust our governments to provide truthful information for its people to make choices.
Many of us have accepted that we can't and instead of challenging our government to live up to a better standard---just resist everything (and call that "thinking for themselves").

Also we have the issue of "fast news"---a constantly "breaking news" cycle which often presents things as "facts" before they actually are and that contributes to misinformation.

Thanks for the good laugh. unfortunately did not manage to reed past that point.