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One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

it's not really "to break the code" or anything really. it's just a self-thought to motivate/cheer himself up. a lot of people do this and not just in gambling. for instance, I remember saying that kind of thing a lot that I would "I will beat the shit out of this punching bag" when I was in my high school Taekwondo club. saying that keeps my morale high and motivates me to keep going. I think your neighbor is just doing the same thing.

If you do play, you will understand. :)

There's no breaking a code or something unusual here. These people know that it's hard to beat a casino game but the adrenaline is always there so it builds thinking on their brain that they can challenge the casino.

I'm sure those guys already experience winning a good amount. That's one of the reasons why gamblers continue to play because they actually feel the experience of winning a good amount and they want to feel the same experience again and again.

Nah, I know some of my friends who spent $2,000 in a single night doing slot machines and almost all of them failed or experienced breakeven.

If there exists an absolute code in which you could cheat or take advantage of the slot machine, then this news would definitely erupt and most gamblers would become millionaires by now. Those people who murmur or chant some words before they gamble can also be compared to rituals- it does not do anything to the machine but it gives a morale boost to the gambler.

If a person is under extreme pressure, he/she would do anything just to calm himself while betting. Those rituals may help calm their nerves but it does absolutely nothing to the machine as these are all governed by odds and luck.

I find that funny but it's probably out of frustration or "revenge" that some gamblers say that. It's not that different with other games whether it's a "code" or an AI they are facing. I remember cussing out on a simple video game when I couldn't beat the boss so I can only imagine what gamblers spit out when they lose.

Maybe if he really could, I wouldn't deny it. However, the condition of the slot machine is programmed with various neatly arranged axes. for the intellectuals who control, will be very supportive to solve. Once again, if he said just to fulfill the satisfaction that he had not yet conquered, then at any time cracking the slot code was a complicated thing that would take a long time.

There are computer programmers who bought used slot machines. Reverse engineered the hardware and software. And used the data collected to cheat with slot machines in vegas. Maybe back in the 1980s, before casinos knew gaming slot machines was possible.

It might be a little late for "breaking the code" today. Casinos are aware of it being possible and security is on the watch for cheats. Some machines are coded so that a big winner can only occur on a certain date of the year, at a certain time, if the lever is pulled on a specific second. That's the type of accuracy it takes win big on slots. The odds and probability of a big win are so astronomically slim. That time and energy would usually be better spent elsewhere imo.

Since it is a million years ago you never know whether he was really talking to the machine  :P :D. May be he is to obsessed to win somehow as he already spent a lot of money in it and waiting to win the jackpot finally.

I do play slots once in a while and i am not playing to win big or break the code, i play it for fun and once you spend time for sometime you get bored and then i move on.

I don't understand by "breaking the code", but it seems that he is giving life to that slot machine. And obviously, it is an inanimate object, so there's no such thing as breaking it. The "code", the way as I understand it is the program, either machine (processor) or software (programming language).

And I don't think that someone can break it because as we all know, it's random, whether you hit the jackpot or always got the "near miss".

In my perspective it's not about breaking the code but about the satisfaction of winning and the reward we receive afterwards.
Gamblers are motivated because the joy of winning drives themselves to carry out different strategies to somehow win the gamble.
Not only in gambling but at any point in life where there's a competition, we tend to try out various strategies to somehow win that particular event.
I believe this is why all gamblers tend to gamble frequently so that they can keep winning the games.

It sounds like your neighbor has great confidence in winning a lot of money from that machine. Actually I don't think that's the way to break the code, but sometime trusting it can bring huge profit with very little effort.

Yes, I love playing slots. But so far I have no way to play it on the machine because my country doesn't allow it. Maybe after covid is gone and I have the opportunity, then I will be happy to visit Malaysia to try playing on the slots machine while filling my vacation time.

People develop all kind of superstitions and they attribute human like qualities to the things they cannot explain or understand, it is obvious that a slot machine works by making use of probabilities and does not care who is playing, but for the person using the slot machine this is personal especially if they have lost a significant amount of money in that machine, so they are trying to teach a lesson to that specific machine as a desire for revenge consumes them, it does not make sense to us but it does to them.

It's obviously the gambler against the code. Because he has gotten so engrossed that he tries hard to break the code and this would likeiy consume most of his time  since he is consistently calculating how to defeat the machine. it's very common to all gamblers because it's the same approach gamblers use in predicting their games

I'm pretty sure you're neighbor only said it for fun. Ngl when I read what he said, it made me have a good laugh, and honestly, it isn't all that weird when it comes to people who gamble or something similar of the sorts in types of games. Even in normal mmo's, or rpg games themselves, people that have this sort of wall blocking them from proceeding, especially at insane levels, often times have those moments like your neighbor where they want to break the code, all because of how immensely difficult the game is. In case of slots though, it's more like how unlucky they are instead. It's kind of like roleplaying ngl, and it's pretty fun if I do say so myself.

Breaking the code is indirectly talking about on beating up the game and simply make big wins and for sure he is really talking about that particular thing.We would really be having that kind of mindset on where

we do really believe that there's something like a escape route for you to win up or some exploit or bug in code literally and might able to win the game.

Beating up the game or house is something we had been doing once we do step in ourselves neither on a physical or online one.

Its never too late, there is always going to be ways and people trying in all ways possible legal or not but the easiest methods are probably not there any more.   Apparently it used to be as easy as a lightpen on the end of a flexible stick and similar ideas because the machine would count via beams of light interrupted by the coin flow.  There is probably some cross over in mechanical terms to all convenience machines and there is absolutely always some people trying to do this because think of all the avenues open to you to steal basically once you craft the key you have the gates to the entire empire open i.e. mass produced machines.

There is a long documentary probably a few on this subject, a whole arms race between the cheats, their technology innovative methodology VS the casinos themselves trying to prevent the cheats from operating and cover the machines short comings over the years.     War games for gamblers :)    similar to stories I used to read on phone phreakers and the earliest of hackers, this stuff never goes away really its a real crossword challenge to some.

I used to know someone who gambled a ton and he swore it was not the people playing who broke the code in this way but the bar staff.   The bar man would watch those gambling, noting how much they spend and their winnings and when quiet would go to collect the accumulated cash now in the machine that had not paid out.   Because he is there all day he gets an idea of the payout ratio and likely chance of receiving 'good luck' bonuses and such like.   Reminds me of the plane spotter I worked with in the airport that just being there was a bonus for him.   This strategy is probably legal but quite sad for all those who arrive to a machine run dry of any easy winnings.

We play gambling for entertainment,it doesnt matter if you playing dice,slots roulette or something like that but it do share up on the same aim which is to enjoy and win money in bonus
but there are really people who do really try to beat the house or the game and wont stop until it do happen.They dont mind on how much they would spent out and they would
stick on what they do have in mind no matter what.

Behavior of a certain person whom would easily get addicted sooner or later if he would continue that kind of mindset.

Yes I agree with you but I think it's not impossible to break the code on some of them. At least on online slots some players seem to have been able to do it. It can be done when the game is not really random and fair and is designed to make people spend and lose their money on the game, then you can take advantage of these patterns when you notice them. But if the game is truly random there isn't any way to trick it.

I do think that this is just probably an expression of your friend, to so could break the code, which we all know that it is impossible. Most of the times gamblers are really known to be like this, very emotional and will do things out of the norm.

It's the same as those players that I have observed in a land based casino, who touches the screen and telling things like "give me the bonus" or something. It's all fallacy.

You are one sharp observer.

Anyway, I agree, but not only slot machines. This type of mentality applies to a lot of gamblers. Even myself, I have to admit, I also have this kind of air in me sometimes which tells me to beat the edge, take their money, bring the house down, show them you can win, and so on.

I guess this is commonly shared among gamblers. This strong feeling to try beat the unbeatable makes gambling even more interesting. It is generally given that in gambling you are expected to lose. But it seems to me gamblers are not discouraged. As a matter of fact, it even makes winning more triumphant.

It's a dangerous mindset challenging the machine that controls the edge which in fact can beat you at the end of the day, but on the other hand, if the player is just playing with an imaginative mind and he just want to be entertained I don't think it will harm him, gambling is something that you want to try after depressing hours in the office or your work, it's sort of a scapegoat to reality, if you play for fun, an hour or two in a gambling session is a good stress buster.

As soon as someone plays with such a mindset, I don't think he does it for fun anymore but is already caught in a dependency spiral ("I have to play 5 more times now, then I'll win for sure").
If you have a little insight into how slots work and how highly manipulated they are (both in offline and online casinos), then you immediately see that you can't beat them. Slots are usually a very good source of revenue for casinos: very high house edge combined with very short game duration, which makes people want to play a lot of games quickly.

for the most people that was just an expression when they say they can beat the hell out of it or break its code but for a real hackers ,
 they can literaly break the code of that machine or a gambling site if the code or the software was written poorly but it can happen on any types of games not only in slots  .
they are desperate and they do anything in order to make a revenge  . we need to have a control in gambling before we end up like this

I have learned to give them the adjective them for the  fact of just clicking and waiting for something to happen ; "vulnerable".
But the Slots have nothing vulnerable, that is the hook to capture any type of player.

Many have expressed how close one can be to falling into obsession, but some perhaps without knowing it have done it (break the code) even if it is playing marbles. It is something that is always there for any type of game and even activity of another type.

The reality is that people who are dedicated to playing the slots under that premise just get the losses as code.

Documentation or reference can be found of how individuals, for example in roulettes or blackjack, have managed to "break the code" in some cases they border between legal and illegal, but who has done it with a slot machine ( !?)

Most people who gamble don't even know about codes, they just wanted to win it and win all the time so they think that their fate can be changed with their brave decisions. In some occasions they might win it just happened as coincidence but it will boost thier confidence and play more.

People normally likes to play slots because its actually a fun game and there are hundreds of different slots games available on the internet so they are not going to get bored even if they spend hours of playing it.

The only way that I know regarding breaking the code is by people using some sort of exploit to make the slot machine turn to their facor, what you're describing regarding your neighbor is just an attitude towards gambling, it's not something that works everytime, sort of like a coincidence that it happened and also, slot machines have existed millions of years ago?

There are no codes to break, slots are generally a game of luck they are just fooling themselves if they think they can break the codes and cheat the slot, you can win randomly but you cannot consider it as you have beaten the odds, the slot still has the house edge if you keep on trying you will end up losing a lot of money, so don't believe on your friend that he can cheat the code and become successful.

Have seen this show called Ozark where they used an exploit to know when will the slots hit the jackpot, they're trying to destroy another casino because they want to buy that casino so they did that. Although I think that breaking the slot machines is close to impossible now because they developed ways to prevent those attacks.

Breaking the code exists during the early days of electronic slot machines. I've read "The Art Of Intrusion" by Kevin Mitnick in which he describes a group of programmers who just wanted to experiment if it's possible to break into the slot machine's software. Fortunately, after doing a lot of research, they just managed to reverse engineer the software to determine when will the slot machine hit the jackpot.

This is a long read though, but still, it is interesting to see such scenarios to know that it is possible during the early days.
[1] https://www.ethicalhacker.net/features/book-reviews/mitnick-the-art-of-intrusion-ch-1-hacking-the-casinos-for-a-million-bucks/

i search this up and found that its a netflix series . i thought this was some kind of documentary but who knows maybe some events are based on real life  .

yes but the owners must still be vigillant because hackers will surely find a way to penetrate . right now there are still hackings that are happening and we cant say that they got hacked because they have a poor security .

The vast majority of slot players are not nuts to the extent of being thinking this way. Slots would be banned everywhere otherwise, no country needs machines that make their citizens go crazy.

But who of us wasn't in the place of those crazy dreamers at least once, at least for a few seconds? I think all of us were there. The key is not to stay in that state of mind for too long.

A couple years ago I was tasked with the installation and maintenance of Apex Slot Machines in countries like Albania and Kosovo.The company that had bought the machines and that hired me,explicitly told me that from RTP perspective the machine should get 86% to the house and only 14% to the people.This was a robbery and soon the people stopped playing by these slot machines which you could have found in every bar.However they were based on Red Hat Linux and only the installer could change things,do what ever he liked,other than this person even if you were the most sophisticated hacker in the world you could do nothing against these machines,let alone breaking the code.I believe the same is for almost 99% of the slot machines except that in other countries the RTP should be the opposite,86% to the player and 14% to the house.

Breaking their code is only a deceived state of mind which only addict gamblers have and show.It is not based on reality.

Hacking is a Skill mate , those people are gifted with talent that only few has, there are many computer genius but only few are successful hackers.
even the government is hiring some to work with so this is not a total Mess job.
But indeed that Hacking gambling site is a sign of either addiction or laziness to find real job and that is they end up hacking the site for them to gamble more.
Yups coincidence and  some sort of planning that is why he successfully done this thing.

I think he hasn't found something good to do except playing those slots and whenever he spend some time playing it, he feels some sort of peaceful mind until he loses all his money on that machine and finds some way to play again. This is not breaking the code man, you're buddy right there is simply addictive to play that slot machine and he doesn't care whatever the result would be as he only thought of winning and when he lost, he will come back again with a thought of getting some deluded mind that he can beat the game.

People are curious about winning on the slot game because that game really needs to have the luck to win, and not many people can get their luck and win some money.
Maybe he is desperate because of his losses, so he says like that, but he can not do anything because I do not think he can break their code to win the game.
But I believe that some people can win easily on the slot game and get the money or sometimes hit the jackpot.
I hope you can suggest your friend not spend much money playing slot games because that can be the biggest loss of his money.

It's mind motivation they know and we all know that you cannot beat a house edge or break any code when it comes to gambling against dice or slots people are doing this to entertain themselves I sometimes do this, trying to motivate my subconscious mind to find a way to beat the odds, it's fun doing this as long as you are not taking this seriously

Lol! This is a typical behavior of gambling addicts. When normal playing don't work in favor of them, they sometimes become superstitious. It is one of such behaviors. Obviously your neighbor is a gambling addict and who is probably in need to a fortune to kick his problems away. But he is indeed helping the bar owner by playing games in a hope of winning money! He must go see a psychiatrist asap. Otherwise he will keep on doing this non sense and keep on loosing money!

Yeah, mind motivation or to boost their confidence, but logically it's really hard to break the code because it is based on luck. Maybe just maybe if he is lucky enough then in just one press he could win big or hit the jackpot. But that chances are very slim in a slot machine and there is also this thing called RTP = Return to Players which is not on our favour.

I agree.

Positive mindset is important before you do something, because you don't what's gonna happen. All you can do is to simply believe in yourself and luck that you can do it, however, positive mindset sometimes turns out to be a false hope, and just going to drive you to somewhere you don't want to be (addiction or so much losses).

That's why in why case, I'd rather accept the reality that I could not beat the machine, so I'll do another thing to earn money than to lose money in the long run.

And things often experienced by gamblers when entering for the first time to gamble, the house provided him as a winner to withdraw more funds that were issued the second time by the gambler. so that without realizing the pattern of the gambler's game no longer thinks about what he has spent.
Then continue to add funds to enter in larger amounts, with reference to the first win. as an impetus to keep going and winning gambling is the biggest mistake.
If you want to play with the residents of the Casino who designed the Gambling system, then the gambler needs to play smoother. play, win and withdraw profits if you have reached the minimum withdrawal. save capital then play again.

Haha. About 10 years ago, a similar gambler lived near me. He was already retired, but since he had worked all his life on a submarine his pension was quite good by the standards of my country. After he received his pension for several days in a row he would drink and try to "crack the code" at the nearest illegal slot establishment. Of course he was unsuccessful)

Not at all, I think most people like slot machines in general because there's so many variants to choose from and a lot of providers release new games every week. There are people that tried to cheat on slots but it's unlikely they could get away with it since casinos really take their time to verify the results whenever there's a big win. I like playing slots as well but i've never thought of hacking a slot game since that's one of the worst ways to win imo.

Any gambling games aside from card or strategic games are already designed for their own edge and this is what we known as house edge since they would really be the winner or making money in the end of the line.
Pursuing on making profits in gambling world is just suicide and instead of enjoying the game then you are really minding on how to beat up the house which is very wrong. Trying to take advantage on something
and also theres no business that would just carelessly on releasing  off games if they do know that there might be some bugs or exploits which would cause for some leaking of profits.
When you do gamble then these kind of mindset should really be set aside.

The only "code" to speak of is the code of statistics. Chance and statistics are interchangeable in this instance... One in a hundred, one in a thousand, one in a million

However if you played a game where there was a one in one hundred chance of winning, after ninety-nine rolls, you're still not assured of winning in roll one hundred as you are back to square one for each turn (i.e. one in one hundred)

After a thousand turns you probably still won't hit the win. Chance and statistics are like that.

If you search the internet there are a lot of attempts and some really successful cheating slots machine with various ways, the one that stuck in my mind is the synchronize clock method where the abuser pushes the button at the calculated time. Anyway, I don't think most slots players play because they want to "break the code." The game itself is the main attraction and when you see some documentaries, some players actually feel sad when they win, because they love the journey, not the prize at the end of it.

When one is new to gambling and has made some fortune or made good wins will be having this kind of mentality. This is common, because we think we can make continued win and turn millionaires and so on. Only after days of gambling and losing we'll understand it isn't an easy thing to break the code or to win against the house edge.

There are gamblers who have made millions with tricks and studying the script thats been used on particular slot games.

If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case). If he just plays by the rules that are included in the gaming machine and hopes to beat it, then this is just silly.

That is what happens to the new gambler who does not have much experience with playing gambling. They can win because of their luck, but they do not realize it and still play to earn more money, but then when they suddenly lose their money, that will not stop them from playing. Instead of breaking the code and against the house, it will be better for them not to do that because that can make them caught by the house because the house will never let anyone break their code. If a gambler knows about that, they will try to stop after winning because chasing more wins will not be advisable.

There is no way you can break the code or outplay the slot machine or do anything else that let's you find out how exactly the mechanics of the machine works which makes you win more often or stuff like that. Slot machines are 100% luck based and there is no way to improve your winnings with certain tactics or timings or whatever. I am pretty sure that the statements of your neighbour are just a clear sign of a massive gambling addiction, as you said yourself that he spent hours on the spinning machine and already lost a fortune on it. So i don't think people start playing slot machines out of curiosity how the code works and how to break the code but they say stuff like that once they became addicted to playing the slot machine.

Slot machines are money rip-offs. You will never make money in the long run because they are programmed so that you always lose. Slot machines are not just random, but they have certain mechanisms implemented that ensure that the operator always wins and the mechanisms for winning are completely intransparent.

To cheat a slot machine you need to replace the firmware unnoticed by the owner of this slot machine but such players are not able to do it, they try to catch luck by the tail thinking that the algorithm can cheat with the help of requests, prayers, etc. That's why guys like this have always made me laugh.

Yes, such cases are ridiculous, but sometimes players can find real vulnerabilities and exploit it. For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

Maybe that's just their way of dealing with losses. It's hard to cheat on slot machines and I also have friends who have lost a lot in slot machines and regret things later on. There's no definite technique or strategy on it and the result will always rely on your luck. Sometimes, greediness to earn more is one of the reasons why players lost in slot machines.

If this story is true, it is simply a software bug that the player could exploit. Something like this would not work in offline casinos, where the slots are completely monitored and an illegal payout would be noticed and withdrawn immediately, so you are left without a win (but of course you don't get your bet back so easily).

Your neighbor's emotions really explode to break the code, what he tells you is an uncontrollable emotion and he wants to do it, I'm sure your neighbor will end in defeat.

I often hear from friends who lost when betting on slot machines, tomorrow I will beat the code, I will overthrow the slot game ... the result is that he becomes the victim of the slot game.

I'm also curious about your neighbor, did you ever see him again after saying he won the code, what did he do, did he manage to do it....I'm sure he'll be embarrassed when he sees you again.

and finally, a few hours ago I felt it when playing Slots. It really drained all my balance. Slot machines have been designed, so that when we stop, we are given a win. Then after continuing, we will be defeated again. There is no easy jackpot to get.

That's a real gambler right there and an example of not having a common sense, not having fun when they are winning. I think those kind of people need help because they should be happy that they are winning already plus if they win they can just go back to playing the slots with their winnings.

It does seem like that the gambling website/casino is allowing the gamblers to win deliberately initially but I don't think that's the case.
If the games are provably fair then the win/lose ratio is not in the operators hands. It just happens randomly.
But yeah we do get the feeling that we are winning but eventually we lose at the end.
This is why gamblers tend to deposit more in the hope that they win.

I agree, that hackers should be looked after by the government to be used as cyber soldiers in the digital world, whose duty is to prevent rumors from entering the country, or perhaps to serve as a bulwark of technological power that is tasked with guarding the defense system.
They need to be funded in the right way. Because Hackers are not really criminals, they are special people, and of course it is very difficult to have such a very rare skill.
As for what makes them criminals who often break into banks, data theft, etc. Because they are not welcomed by their country, they are even considered a threat. So in order to survive, they do things that are against the government in their country.

A million years ago... when we had only poker machines in my neighborhood... and after winning hand you can play lower/higher, sometimes people played until the machine gets "tilted"... I can remember exactly after how many wins that happens, 23 or something like that! It's like maximum payout and that's it! Something that doesn't happen often, and many people lose a lot before they hit that!

I guess it's the same with slots! We want to see max win! It's not like that happens to everyone, but it happens! Some people have more luck than others! Just yesterday one guy from BTCGosu won x5000, max win on Zeus slot, cashed out $2k! It's what I think breaking a code/machine means! In my country we say it "tilt", like in pinball, when the machine is not working, you broke it in that moment!

Well, on average, that's what often happens. As one of the effective promotion methods for casinos to be able to control the emotions of new gamblers who join. Plus the beginners think of him as a good start, even though he fell into a trap that was designed in such a way. Not a few addicted beginners spend their time in shackled gambling. Nothing can escape it.

Of course, this situation can not be excluded, but I think that the error in the software code will be quickly found and eliminated, as the owner of the gaming machine knows how much money it should bring under the conditions they set.

The sort of people who sit in front of a slot machine day after day, hour after hour, filling it with their last pennies are not the sort of people who will ever break anything - except their bank accounts. They are addicts at the end of the day and feeding the repetitive behavior that fires off the happy chemicals in their head is how they get their "release". There are sometimes very clever people who figure out mechanical hacks or bugs in the software that runs casino slot machines, however they are astonishingly rare and will be closed down by the gambling operators if they get even a whiff of unprofitable play from their machines. Just like anything, the people who write the (albeit heavily vetted) code in slot machines are vulnerable to making mistakes or the internal design of the machines can sometimes be broken by clever tricks - like placing a magnet somewhere, but the builders have a long memory for fixing vulnerabilities.

I think it is human to "challenge" authority or a someone with power..... or something that are difficult to win. The "House" always win is a challenge that are created to motivate people to conquer it.... and a small percentage of people can achieve that. The reason why the "house" always wins... is because people do not stop gambling after they win.... they just play on and deposit again.

You cannot see the "code" .... but you know there is a machine (algorithm) that are behind that code... and you want to challenge that machine to see if you can out smart that "machine" .....(in our mind, humans must be better than machines)  ::)

Big wins are the motivation of those people whom do really think that they can really beat up the house which is really a very wrong mindset to have.Most gamblers would really be having this

kind of motive in mind which would really be pushing their limits and end up on wrecking their wallets or simply with finances. Beating up a machine?

Its an impossible thing to happen.We should play for entertainment and not for making some income.

Not unless you'll hacked the system which illegal and a possible of getting you caught in the act.

I agree with your point in terms of this kind of motivations which really leading gamblers to aimed for more, greed and the mindset that luck will bring them the wins that they are aiming to have.

Best to play and enjoy, pay for your entertainment but make sure to set your limitations, there's no chance breaking the code as the house test everything first before they allow the sytem to run, they are not fool to let someone to break in and suck their money out.

I can't speak on specifics of a slot machine and why people prefer that, because I personally do not enjoy them a lot but know many people who love them. However what I can say about the whole me vs the machine type of thing, which is basically people who think that they are going to eventually start winning, for some reason there are a lot of people who think that they will end up losing to a point and then it will be too much and they will start winning, no idea why there is that but it just feels like it is going to be like that.

At the end of the day, we are talking about something that is not going to suddenly make you win, the code is not like that and you will always end up losing, it doesn't matter if you lost 100 times in a row, you will lose a 101th time if that is the outcome, it is called gamblers fallacy and it really exists.

Probably this neighbor didn't have knowledge about informatic, programming and house edge so he thought he could overcome the machine. It's a common thought among older people to think like this, because they have no idea how these machines work exactly or how they reach to the final result. I've seen people believing they could win if they click the button in a way or another, or even following a sequence of customized bets, as if it could trigger a bug in the system and reward them prizes constantly. Actually, a bug isn't impossible, but I doubt the bar/casino owner would let the machine there for too long if it was the case.

^ Actually the thing that comes up in their mind is not about the entertainment anymore, they think that there is one strategy that will increase their odds of winning for specific machines. Because they think that putting any amount still the same either it is on the maximum or in the minimum, there could be a possibility that you will lose. This theory they believe in is that the more you risk the more you can win, so probably in that way they can beat the machine but I don't know if they can actually break the code which is impossible. But on my own, just stick to your budget and move on once you had a loss.

Nah, I don’t think it really has to do anything with gambling and slots, it’s just emotions speaking. Many people (me included) talk to objects, especially in cases where they want to direct their anger at them, e.g. when the TV isn’t working,  or fridge, or something wrong with the phone, etc.
I think that was the case with this guy.

When you are into something for so many years you develop a relationship with the thing that you are doing in your friend's case, he developed a relationship in that slot machine almost breathing it into life, now he thinks that he can beat him and he is superior to that machine, it's risky and you can be considered a chronic gambler, because thinking that you can beat the house edge will make you pour money and this will lead to financial losses.

This was exactly what happened in an offline casino. As far as I remember, the players who understood this feature managed to make money on this.
By the way, why do you think that the player who took advantage of the slot machine error will not receive his winnings? The mistake is the problem of the casino, not the player, and since he won, he should receive the win.

I absolutely agree with your point of view. Even if the player was able to make good money on the slot machine which had in its code error, the owner of the slot machine should pay him all the earned remuneration or at least generously thank him for finding the existing bug.

I agree, this is more of an expression of frustration or anger towards the game which coincidentally caused your next game a win. I think people always think that it's a proven thing when in reality, coincidence just really happens more often than we can think of.

While many beginners think they are doing good in the gambling I don't think all the beginners fall in this trap.
I personally deposited money 2-4 times in the beginning and soon I realized what I was doing wrong.
I was able to understand the gameplay of the operators and then later decreased my deposit amount.
These days I just play with the free coins I receive on those gambling websites.

This randomness is why some users end up accusing casinos of cheating when this is not the case, they think that since the chances are X then if they win less than that in a determined number of tries the casino is cheating and this is not the case, over a very long series of tries the real results will approximate very closely the theoretical values but when the sample is small not enough tries have been given in order to produce those results and they will have a tendency to vary way more.

To be honest I've never even played slots in a physical casino and I don't know when I'll have the chance to do so. I feel that the gambler's win against the machine is really unexpected luck and would be very hard to predict. I don't need to talk much about slot machine I never play, this is completely irrelevant to me as I've only bet 99% online so far.

"breaking the code" it sounds like something very difficult for anyone to do but still possible for those who are geniuses. I just think that when one's motivation and belief is to win a bet then there is usually luck in it.

If your neighbors can win the most from slot machines, that will be worth spinning in a nearby bar, but if he loses his money and is still searching for the right bar, I do not think that is worth it. I am not sure that many gamblers can break their code in the slot machines because that needs knowledge, skills, and luck.

I never think much about that because playing on slots machines really needs the luck to win. And I do not think that many gamblers can win from the slot machines. I think people like slot machines because they get fun while rolling the image and hit the jackpot. Besides that, maybe the amount of money to bet is not too high so they can roll many times.

I don't like playing slots too much either especially after I entered the crypto gambling world. The slot games carry a much bigger house edge and smaller RTP as compared to the games like dice and crash so I always prefer playing the low edge games over slots. I do play slots occasionally though when I get a lucrative offer on deposit or free spins as a bonus.

I am not entirely sure of the man vs machine theory so I'll skip on that. Gambling to me and I believe for everyone should be fun rather than a way to take revenge or anything. When I was a kid, I used to visit a gaming store and after paying a small amount we were given the chance to play the game, that time I had the sort of attacking intent because of I lost, I will play it again and again until I win.

For me, Slot machines are fun even though they lose more than getting three symbols in a row. Gambling games on slot machines have been around for a long time and are still effective with various picture features and a comfortable display when playing. Especially with tense music, adding to the sense of addiction.

That's a dangerous mentality to have if one has it. I cannot imagine someone trying to battle out with the machine and try to fight against it rather than having fun playing the games. It's more like kicking a stone and breaking your own leg in hope of breaking the stone.

Well, it depends on the player what is their actual intention behind playing the slots. For me, I play slots because I always have a feeling that I might win something big and no, I am not chasing big wins but that's the kind of intention I have when I play slots. Maybe it has something to do with all the streamers showing off their wins.

I often come across this opinion (mostly supported by the casinos themselves): in a casino legally you can only lose, if you win then you break the rules. This approach makes me very angry and by the way it is also very common among bookmakers who like to introduce various restrictive measures against successful bettors.

If you bet for a small amount, losing more than three times will not be a problem because that is still small money. But we know that many gamblers place big money to bet and suddenly, that money is gone at once and it will be hard to recover the losses.

I admitted that slot machines could give pleasure and make us forget the time to make people spend more money because they expect to hit the jackpot in the next roll.

Not really a sort of these guys are trying to break a code but in every gambling, there's a thing in our mind that we want to win big. Slots machines offer a good winning so people like to test their chance and luck. Been there on that experience so I understand the feeling.

While in the process of chasing the big win, people become aggressive everytime they lose and that's where the challenge of defeating the machine starts.

And the next thing to happen is...

Using the balance you have for free makes us less burdened with defeat. That's pretty good, especially if you win of course any amount is not a problem. You will certainly accept it without a second thought. That becomes a lucrative bonus.

Haha just how some tennis players like Andy Murray (great player, no disrespect) talk to themselves when they are not winning points. It doesn't mean much and I agree that it is just the emotions getting the better out of a person. At times when I am losing too many bets, I am shouting at my laptop and it does not mean I am getting mad, it is just emotions.

Yeah, sometimes reporting the bug can lead to a bigger bonus than you get by abusing it. Also, some casinos will hire you if they feel you have a good grasp of how things work and you get a good job and don't have to do much either.

Yes, I've heard stories about how some sites are blocking honest bettors who are well versed in sports gambling and who win several wins in a row. If I'm not mistaken such guys are forced to play only through a VPN as their IP addresses are collected in a database and blocked.

Don't take that action literally. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a gambling behavior and it's common especially in Vegas casinos.

It happened to everyone especially if the person is pumped up and eager to make a win. They already know that it's impossible to beat a machine but it's possible to make one big winning with several spins while doing it.

Don't mind those people if that's their way to attract some luck.

I think it is illegal in all conceivable cases. How can it be otherwise? Say, you find a weaknesses in a vending machine in the US: it accepts some Zimbabwean coins and gives you back change 100 times more valuable than the coins you inserted. Is it a weakness that can be exploited? Yes. Is it illegal to exploit it? Absolutely.


Yep. It's just silly. It doesn't mean you can't win a big amount by chance. You can. But hoping to beat the machine purposefully is silly.

Your analogy is incorrect. Let's consider normal cases when, for example, a slot machine developer makes mistakes in algorithmization:


What could be illegal to beat this slot machine? An error in algorithmization is entirely a problem of the developer and the company that deals with these slot machines.
For example, if a player makes a "wrong" bet and, having lost, demands to return it back, everyone will laugh at this behavior. Why should we have a different approach if the opposite side makes a mistake?

Ofcourse the amount we win from the free money is an added advantage to our porfolio but at the same time the free money we receive through free spins and bonuses is too low.
It doesn't make much of a difference to play with that kind of money if we are playing to earn profits.
But yeah, if we are playing for fun then we can surely use that amount and save our precious coins from getting lost.

The most important point when gambling is that you are happy and relieve stress, without worrying about losing. you have the option to entertain yourself, oh well, maybe if I get free coins and use them to gamble, I won't hesitate to put them in the Slot every time Roll doesn't care to lose.

It is like I am late to post but I just want to give my own opinion. The answer is yes. Some people will think they can do it and win big, but gambling has been gambling, it has the be done wisely, else it can result to losses.

This is how gambling should be, it should only be with little amount used to gamble. I was once an addict but later changed, I used very low amount of money, if I lose, I do not even bother about it, but winning still gives me the sense and feeling of fulfilment, but losing is not making me feel sad and I feel happy all because only little amount of money is what I am using.

If we can play gambling to have fun and relieve stress without worrying about losing, that can prevent us from the addicting because we can stop gambling after we think that we already get fun and eliminate the stress. If we can do that, we can refresh our minds and go back to our daily activities without hard feelings. We should know how to treat gambling well. Otherwise, we can get dragged into the deep of gambling without realizing and do not have a chance to get out of gambling.

He just wants to fire his confidence nothing more we are like that when we want to win badly I sometimes act like that and just got to my senses after the session, it's exciting doing this, we are here to play to get excited and we are very much excited we tend to say things that people thought we are crazy, but that's just us getting excited.

That is a good point. There are only two reasons why gamblers gamble on casinos and websites.

1. Profits
2. Fun

Those who play for profits mostly end up losing the money and only a few make good profits.
Those who play for fun are the ones who like the feeling of winning and those people can decrease their amount a lot and get the same gameplay.
Now onwards I would advice those who play for fun to decrease the amount so that they don't lose much when they lose the bets.

When it comes to slots I do not think there is anything to break, there have been cases in the past of people cheating in slot machines, for example there was one person that coded the machines and introduced a special sequence in some of them that allowed him to win every time, while some people used a physical device that when they won allowed them to cheat the machine and make the machine to keep paying even if it had given them their deserved reward, but besides those methods which are cheating I do not see how can anyone break the code when it comes to slot machines.

That's all because you have managed to master at least know how to control the mental state that almost fell due to losing the game. I'm sure you've gone through various obstacles to get to the point where you start to know what alternatives to do when you lose and control your mental state well.
You have a point where not everyone has control over their mental state. And what you need to do in the future is to maintain that playing must have a mind limit that oversees it.


That's what we are looking for in gambling, the words winning and losing are just relativity which is not really used as a reference. Even if you win, it's definitely better. But if we lose, we must immediately have the cure. Gambling is not so bad if we know what to do.



I know you actually don't quite accumulate into the 2 points mentioned. For example, freedom in it. Then it will be very complete already beautiful to control all in one clear and positive mind.

It's true, that everyone advises the players to keep having fun, lose and oftentimes there will be stress, but believe me other times you will be a winner. This is just about today for those who haven't been on your side. No one gambles constantly losing, at least he must win. It's just a matter of time and conditions that are often not right.


Often we hear from experienced gamblers say "Don't gamble if the state of mind is still completely unstable" even if stressed, at least take a break for a while, until the point of normality begins to feel.

It is true, the possibility of the Jackpot will be minimal for a small expenditure. As for once, there are only two wins, you get back the excess from spending, or only part of 50% of what you have bet on the slot machine.

Only a machine that has been set up in such a way, but even slot machines are often careless, and you can take advantage of that negligence to take the winning seat.

Cheers

Slot games give different experiences sometimes they want to play it because of the design of the roulette, the sound making of it and the lever if we are talking about the physical slot it gives a different kind of excitement when you play it's too hard to explain but it looks like satisfaction to yourself. Today we are already in a digital world so we have different online gambling platforms and now they make more animations so the eyes of the players get more active and caught by the game to play more. Of course, if you win the game there's a chance to get to play more.

People love to personify (endow with human properties) inanimate objects or abstract things ...

It starts from childhood.  Children read the tales of Hans-Christian Andersen, and there the main character is a tree, a herring or a flower.  Or, for example, many have read the fairy tale "The Nutcracker". 

The main character there is a nut cracker.  Children read such bedtime stories and this is perceived on a subconscious level.  Children also watch cartoons with talking animals.  Then growing up begins. 

And it turns out that people carry out the decrees and orders of such an abstract entity as the state. 

Does the state exist though? 

No, this is just an abstraction. 

Is it any wonder your friend is talking to a slot machine?  I am personally not surprised.

How can you say that while even on Stake several users have been recently caught because they've found a way to "break the code" as paxmao says. The case has been exposed here on the forum. You didn't see it? In fact only truly random slots have no "code to break" and can't be cheated, but most of slots are only pseudorandom at best and not provably fair.

When they decide to play for profits will not get the fun or pleasure because they only think about how they can win on the game while they do not see how bigger their chance to win is. If they can only spend time to fun on the gambling game and somehow win, that will be a bonus for them. Yes, that is a good suggestion. It is better to reduce the amount of playing gambling and get fun with little money.

Yes, a good mindset will help us prevent getting deeper into gambling games because we will think that playing gambling is just a part of our lives. We will be okay if we do not play gambling and if we are playing gambling, we do not search for the win money but we only search for the fun thing and entertainment from the games. The slot machine can make us addicting as we will spend more money to win, but unfortunately, we can not break the code and will only get another loss.

Yes, I am sure we will feel better if we win. But we need to know about the fact that not many of us can win from gambling. So when we lose, we need to realize that we will not have a big chance to recover the losses and it will be difficult to win the games.

Are you sure your friend was addicted? maybe he just spent more of his time on the slot machines but he hadn't reached the level of being someone addicted of slot machines



it also depends, it could be that your friend had to win and then lost and then won, in this cycle he would spend a long time playing without his bankroll ending



I believe people use this word as a way of saying they are confident they will win in the next round, even I use that word when I play something


I don't play slot games either

Everyone returns to their respective luck, losing or winning becomes a cycle that cannot be avoided. Everything has its share when we can control gambling even if you lose, you will still be satisfied with what you bet.
Therefore, no one can motivate gambling other than oneself who is able to optimize gambling based on a fairly stable mentality to play.

You'll know that it's so hard because he was challenge by that slot machine and claiming that he'll beat that. I think he's motivated to win a game and I think this kind of person has a higher chance of getting addicted as he already challenging the gambling game, won't stop until he beat it. No one can break the code; if you're unlucky, you'll still lose, even if you're super motivated to play hard. Being motivated doesn't mean you'll get a win streak, sometimes it shows that you're ready to bet all just to win the game and sometimes end up losing all.

We do have different;

-mindset
-impression
-views
-conception
-plans
-motives

Are these behaviors the same? Yes they are because we are just human and we do have different reaction on how to deal up into something
which can potentially earn us some money but majority hadnt realize on whats the risk behind and they do most likely discover it up
when its already too late.

It's impossible or near to impossible to break the code and even if it would happen there are many employees around following gamblers' progress in real time. If a machine is bugged, they will fastly shut it down and call a technician to repair the issue before someone else can start playing on this machine again.
 
On the other hand I know some people who are customers of a casino or another and they have a favorite machine to play during a specific period of the day when attending to these houses, because they suppose during that time the machine gives more rewards. Well, I'm sure something like that is possible in programming, but I'm not sure if it really happens in casinos.

Some might even say a determined machine likes them very much, so it's going to reward them more often. But this is already too much to be taken into consideration. :D

Aside from luck and a very good emotion control nothing left for you but to lose even how motivated you are,

Most of the time gamblers think that way, they are energize thinking that they are can keep grinding out from the slots.

But in reality, most of that people who shared similar mindsets often lose a huge amount of money, and have a higher chance of  getting addicted to gambling.

Play and enjoy, never to think that you can easily beat the machines, it won't work that way!

Most of the people here may tell that the reason people seemingly humanizes what are otherwise non-living items was because of motivation is a bit incorrect for me. If you have watched Cast Away, you'd remember that Tom Hanks made a companion out of a volleyball and gave it a name, even going so far as to risk his life for it when he found out that he is not with him upon deserting the island. The point I am trying to make is that people may sometimes attach themselves to items that they have spent quite the time or effort with, almost to the point of humanizing them, that's why some people name their cars. The fact that they spent fortune and of course irretrievable time with the car or in your case the slot machine was enough to at least endow them with humane attributes. Thing is this is a bias of our brain that had been there since time immemorial, we can work around it but we will always fall under the same pit over and over again eventually. Although of course, just because it has been there as a part of our instinct doesn't mean it's normal.

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

To be honest, I have never understood the appeal of slot machines. In addition to music and bright colors, there is nothing in them. The player usually presses a button and waits for the result, it is super monotonous and there are no options to change the strategy of the game.

This is what happens if you spend hours in front of the machine, you breathe life into it and treat it like human that you can conquer, but I don't think he can break the code, of all gambling games, slots are one of the games that it's hard to beat, the house edge will always pull you down.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

There are many progressive strategies for slot games, and you can activate it in-game for ELK Studios games:

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The awesome thing about slots is it has many providers who each offers unique features: progressive betting, double chance of bonus round, gamble the result, etc.

If you are good in observing those mistakes after several losses and you are willing to adjust,

sometimes that patterns things out to a much better gambling outcomes, when you have good anticipation and you manage to execute the right way.

Not easy but doable, though you must also consider that it can bring more risk as the will to win will continue to keep goig back, a never ending desire of breaking the codes and win decently.

Instinct would really be there and its just normal to have those kind of adjustment when we do see that it is repeatedly done or happening and since gambling doesnt really have any patterns then this would really be a

continous process which you shouldnt really have that kind of mindset because it would really be motivating you to play even more but to focus on something positive where adjustments made just for the sake of

entertaining yourself on playing gambling because not all would really be having the same behavior towards it.Some are desperate and some are just finding ways to enjoy.

Many years ago something like this had also crossed my mind, although I play the slot machines only as a way to de-stress, I do not seek to win in them, I just have fun, for this reason I have very little money to bet there. Based on the knowledge that any programmer can use against these machines, whether they are algorithms to break their code is something that turns out to be too unlikely if not impossible, now with all the development of artificial intelligence I do not know how much it may be possible to do it, although I still doubt it, I think that if artificial intelligence + quantum computing is developed it may be another story.

That will happen if that gambler can learn from his mistake to try hard to learn more and practice to get better than before. But we already see that even they learn more, it is still hard to win because there will be other players who have better skills than them and of course, the luck factor will be count on this. But if they motivate themselves by still learning, maybe someday, they will win but we do not know how much money they will use to reach that level. If that happens, maybe we need to realize that we can not always gamble if the situation is not right for us and we need to think that taking a break for a while will help us analyze more and learn more details.

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

I agree, there's nothing illegal in that, unless it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed. If it was said in T&C, though, you wouldn't be sued for breaking that rule, but you wouldn't be able to withdraw the winnings either.


This is a fair point, but in reality the "flaws" in the slot machines exist only in legends invented to keep you looking for them.

If you compare slots to other chance games, it's pretty much the same. Except you want to compare it with the likes of poker or table games.
Complex slots do exist, where you can choose the number of lines, lock/nudge the symbol, plus you can also pick volatility from thousand of games.
Dice is way more primitive than slots, but if you like it more than slots, feel free to ditch slots ;D

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Exploiting game violates ToS so the provider will not pay your winnings (if you get caught). So it's not only just about "breaking the code" but also about "not getting caught."

I can’t understand on what basis you claim this? If someone does not give me money that I honestly won, then this is an obvious fraud and he will be forced to do it according to the law.


How about this?

Russians Engineer a Brilliant Slot Machine Cheat---And Casinos Have No Fix (https://www.wired.com/2017/02/russians-engineer-brilliant-slot-machine-cheat-casinos-no-fix/)

In fact, flaws in slot machines were always and often more obvious when special software was not required to identify them. I'm surprised you didn't know about this.

I agree.

However, dice might be primitive than slot games but at some point, the way their gameplay is just very similar, all you have to do it to press once and wait for the result. They just change a little bit but for me it's the same. Slot machines sometimes can get exploited but it's a very rare occasion unless you're a good one when it comes to exploiting games. Nobody wants to try it because if you'll get caught, the jail is your only room waiting for you.

Perhaps some of the slot machines really have a variety of gameplay, but I think 99% is just "press the button and wait for the result."
I don't argue about tastes, just my observations.  :)

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And what point of the ToS does the player violate if he understood the weakness of the slot machine and was able to beat it? Something like "a player can only lose, but not win", right?  ;D

Well, in the end, you know what to do if you lose, and you know what to watch if you win. The best gambler is he who can motivate himself in any way. Even without external encouragement, you can definitely find a way to get up. Motivating is one way so that where you win or lose, everything is fine and you don't think of it as a heavy burden.

Based on the responses of gamblers, they are 100% likely to be more excited if given a win early on. and being able to control wins from table to table with a take-for-and-leave strategy. move around or select the available games. Use a minimum standard of $10 on each throw.

We should follow that gambler so we do not have to be afraid of becoming addicted to gambling because we know what we need to do. We can adapt ourselves in any situation, even if we lose, because we will not recover the losses or chase the other winning. Motivating ourselves is not easy because we need to practice every day and that will look like we talk to ourselves and trying to say that we can do that.

I am trying to use $10 or less to playing gambling because I do not feel right to lose more than that amount. Sometimes, those $10 will still stay in my account because I do not use all of the $10 at once.

whether it's easy or not is relative if we have a strong desire to win by any means the motivation comes when we are in a state of urgency. Some arise because of a need that you must fulfill.
There was even someone who said, luck could be created when opportunity met ability, ability could be honed and opportunity could be sought, so luck could basically be created.

That desire would be the main reason on why you would be pushing yourself into doing things which you shouldnt gonna do and this is where addiction starts on where you are pursuing on trying to break out things
and make it happen even the reality wont really be permitting it out since gambling businesses arent something that you could just easily milk and believe that you could really take advantage.
Gambling is for entertainment and you shouldnt really be expecting that much because that will surely cost you big.

I don't think "breaking the code" is what drives them to play slots.

It's the constant belief that one day, they will be able to get the 777 jackpot on those slots. There's no sure way to win these jackpots on these machines, and no algorithm whatsoever has been found to match what these machines are based on.

If I would guess, people are just "addicted" to the thought of winning the jackpot, and that's it.

and they are both PURE LUCK GAME so comparing Dice and Slot are almost perfectly the same.
cheating are punishable by any sense and mostly in gambling this is perfectly implemented .

I rarely play slot, there's no strategy to employ it's a pure luck game and if you say that you are going to break the code, it's actually your code that you are going to break no the slot because slots are one of the hardest game to beat, maybe the guy is out of his mind was frustrated and still trying to beat the machine.

But I do not think that the desire will help us win in gambling games because we know that luck will be part of that to win the games. A strong desire can not always fill what we want and we need to realize that when we are playing gambling, we can only play without a hard feeling because that can make us become stress. Yes, you are right in saying that luck could be created when opportunity met ability but not in gambling. However, you need to think about how much money you will use before recovering or winning big money.

Absolutely. I think that a lot of gamblers have the exact opposite attitude to what you should have when it comes to playing a game of chance.

You will never break the house, period. There is simply no long term, sustainable way of doing so, because otherwise the house would not exist in the first place.

Fact of the matter is that you will be faced with negative EV bets every time you place anything against a house, and your luck will eventually exhaust itself in the long run just from a mathematical standpoint. No ifs and buts.

How can you not win if you don't have the desire. In psychological knowledge, if someone does something, then it is based on a strong impulse in him that flows to the brain and is responded to by action, then executed in real on the basis of the desire in the heart. You don't necessarily move without a command from the heart, which is responded by the brain and is done by the hands.

Unless you are sick, I will give an example: even though the heart desires to gamble, the brain responds but because there is one part of the body that is not normal/sick, then based on medical knowledge you are 100% forcing what is not allowed by the body part.

Therefore, I say it is all relatively broad in the realm of gambling. As long as everything can be controlled under normal circumstances and supported with all the potential that exists, without thinking you are the winner.

Mostly True! If you have that desire but luck is not backing you up it will only lead you to lose more, there's no code to break aside from your strategy that if things went wrong then expect heavy loads of losing amount to take place.

Gambling especially with slots/luck based games, depends from how you can manage to control yourself and how you'll able to execute strategy that allows you to have a better chance in winning from your chosen games, not a guarantee but a little edge if you play within the system that you created.

There’s no code in the slots game aside from playing continuously and being lucky while you are playing, maybe he was drunk that time and he thinks different way with regards to this one. We should be more careful on gambling while you are drunk because you tend to spend more and you might not be able to control yourself until you lose everything. Slots game are fun to play with no guarantee of a money back in return.

Desire is nothing but once we do gamble then this emotion and motive in mind would already be there but its true that it has nothing to do with the winning odds.

Motivation is good but only good into those things which you can assure that would give out good results specially on career taking but not really that good when you are applying this in gambling.

Dont tend to apply this if you dont like to experience huge losses because you are forcing something which doesnt really work.

Let me give an example. You have the desire (a very big willingness and passion) to get work in the office. You send applications to many offices but none of the offices give you the chance to work with them. Is the desire help you to have a job? No, right? That will depend on the office (in this matter, it will depend on luck). But someday, you can have "luck" by being accepted in one office as what you want.

If you are sick, your mind is telling you to gamble still but not your heart because if you are sick, your body and heart can not reflect what your mind wants. In this matter, the mind will take part in your body, but your body does not want to do anything except take a rest.

If you can control everything with consciousness and realize that gambling is not the way to make money but enjoy your time by spending your money, you will not have difficulty playing gambling or stopping gambling. A matter of winning or losing will not be a problem for you because you know what gambling is.

Yes, desire can trigger our emotions to become bigger and that can make us forgot to control ourselves and once it happens, we will lose the money.

I prefer to use motivation when I work than in gambling because no matter how good the motivation, we still depend on luck and we know that luck will not stay with us every time we gamble. So we need to think that playing gambling is okay but do not too excited.

In the end, we should prevent huge losses from gambling by always manage the money and realize when we should quit gambling.

Only fools will get triggered seeing that they can make money the easy way without any hard work and if anyone thinks that gambling and winning the lottery is the only way to change your fortunes then you are doomed for good.

Gambling is all about having fun and and you are lucky then you might win big but you cannot take this as your ultimate aim and start gambling and many who end up bankrupted are the ones that think gambling is the only solution they have in life.

Gambling addicts does not have a frame of reference when to quit and there are many like that and the only way to help them out is to identify the problems and seek professional help.

Look, maybe you missed something in my post, because I wasn't exactly talking about honestly won money. I was talking about the case when "it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed". So, if you changed the bet size, ignoring T&C, it would basically mean that you broke the contract, and that's why they would have all the right for not giving you the money.


Actually, I had read the article, but I completely forgot about it by now. So, thanks for the link, and catch a merit from me! ;)

I'm a fan of WIRED, and reading their articles, even for the second time, is pleasure for me, but when reading again the article from your link and a related one (https://www.wired.com/story/meet-alex-the-russian-casino-hacker-who-makes-millions-targeting-slot-machines/), I remembered why could I completely forget them: the main characters in the story disgust me, and I think it's kinda defense reaction of my brain to forget them as soon as possible.

Take this part from a related article, for instance:


It says a great deal about Alex and also about that Russian casino, and it's really frustrating that there are still people who don't know that cheating is bad. I mean, none of us is a saint, and when I was younger I had no clue either. But, c'mon people, grow up FFS!

But thanks for the link anyway. :)

because slot is the easiest gambling in casino houses and also this is the most thrilling lol.

and not adding that this is most influential gambling game in USA if i am not mistaken so this adds the flavor why this becomes most popular worldwide as we know how western country influencing the world in any way.
good point , since how you will win in slot is really fascinating when tons of tokens will drop from the machine down and makes you own tokens that cannot be counted easily.

I don't think it's really about breaking a code, I think what your neighbor means is he's going to win, probably just an expression to motivate himself to win it's actually good to stay positive in playing gambling games just like in sports betting even though the team is losing and the game is about to lose, sometimes I yell "Just wait" then the losing team scores and I got a draw or sometimes I win.

Okay, I understand your point and it really should work like that if there is such a condition in ToS. But as far as I remember, there was no information about this in the ToS, that is, it was a pure algorithmic error from the manufacturers of slot machines.


No problem! Thank you too. I came across this article when I was looking for another example for you (exactly about that error in the algorithmization). I remember exactly that in the article I was looking for there were many interesting cases that could be discussed, but I cannot find it because it was something like a post in LiveJournal and now paid articles and advertising do not provide an opportunity to dig out the necessary information from the depths the Internet  :'(

But that is happening in many countries because people are willing to use some money, let say $10-$25, to buy a ticket lottery and wait for the announcement. Maybe they do not think much about that lottery and if they can hit the jackpot, they consider that is their luck.

Yes, we already saw it happen to many people because they think that playing gambling is one way to earn money. That makes them lazy to search for other sources of income instead of still playing gambling. They will regret it someday if their life is not changing as they want.

Maybe other people around them need to show them that what they did in gambling is wrong and they needs to open their eyes to do something else that will benefit them. Seeking professional help will also be necessary, especially if people around them can not get many solutions to solve the addicting problem.

How many of such people can actually end up winning or say able to beat the slot machine code. Many would try and play huge bets but in the end will end up mostly losing it and only a fractional percentage of the total users might be end up beating those codes or win it. Talking about the users who play continuously and from long time.

It's usual to see that type of person who wants to beat the machine. No breaking the coding mindset but they just want to take chances if they can take out some big winnings from playing at these machines.

If they win, they will brag it in front of those speculators as that was a rare moment and only a few achieved it playing in an actual gambling place.

I understand their desire to win as I also have that mindset especially during my aggressive mode. Unfortunately, still no experience winning a good amount from playing on physical machine.

But in my experience, the more you play the more you will lose. Attempting in more number of times, will not maximize your chance of beating the house is such games which includes dicing as well. If you are lucky you may hit on your first attempt and if you exit at that point then you may remain profits and if you try for another time then you may lose or at least on the third attempt.

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

Agree with you tho,  if you play too much, you're just increasing your chances of losing because it's not always a win-win situation because, in gambling, you're always losing.

I don't really rely on this breaking the code scheme because it just gives you a reason to play more, and winning is still not dependent on it.

You will lose if you do not win.

I am sure that person will trying to get as much money as he can while he can still use the machine to give him the money. But I am sure the casino will see about that and they will check it as soon as possible and will change the code so no one will be able to use the loophole to get the money.

I see the ads that telling someone can break the code on the casino and earn so much money and he sell the method to people. But I am sure that method will not work anymore as the casino already change everything.

Greed will push them to keep doing it until they find out that the code already changed.

On the other side, casino or owner of that machine also alluring that gambler allowing him to suck some amount
then after that the next thing that will happened to him, is keep coming back and  losing more than what he  earned.
That's also possible right?

It's possible but there are a lot of random players everyday using that machine so it is likely not always the case. Or maybe they will give winnings to random players on that day and lucky for those who will play at the right time the machine will change its winning probability.

But the usual is, the probability of winning is fixed at any machines or slots, with a low chance of winning a big amount, as it is supposed to.

Yes, that is possible. The casino really knows how to lure the gamblers to come back and play more games and spend their money while the casino will receive their loss with a smile. When we can make money from the casino, we tend to repeat the process with the same thing as before or make a little modifying if we can not win but in the end, we are only losing the money we have plus the win money. And that will make us lose all of the money. The casino already changes the code but the gamblers might not realize that and they tend to keep trying to winning from the games.

Agree! Casino machines are nearly impossible to break nowadays, but if we're talking about a few years ago, it should have had a bug or some sort of weakness to exploit so you could win, but most of the time it doesn't because it is thoroughly inspected. Slot machines have a low chance of winning, but they excite you every time you roll them in the hopes of winning, and because they are not bugged or foolproof, it is impossible to break them.

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

I rarely play slots but on those times that I played slots I rarely win that is why I don't consider playing it often, your friend is just frustrated and he is putting his frustration on the slot that is why he says he is breaking the code which is really impossible to do because the house edge control the situation and he is just waiting for his turn to win based on the algorithm.

Being a good coder always have big opportunity. Rather than using it for finding loophole one can easily develop better things and make a bigger earning out of it. Right now I find blockchain developers paid good, so coding people can prefer these kind of development.

Even if you are a good coder I don't think you can replace the code with your own or copy the slot machine software to find the error in the code since nobody will allow you to connect your hardware for this manipulation. In today's world which is almost everywhere full of surveillance cameras this doesn't make any sense because the risks are too high.

that's why I love block-chain gambling.
It's very easy to verify your bets themselves when an honest site offers you the tools to verify it, even in most of them you can even verify your bets on third-party sites.

Of course, the house will always have the advantage, but no one can say it was stolen.

You wouldnt know until it would be obvious for someone could able to observe and those kind of behavior is just normal.We do mind about fairness because we are risking or putting our money on here
and its just normal that we would really be having that kind of thoughts or thingg in mind.As a gambler and a bit impulsive or emotional then these kind of things could really happen.
Motivated on breaking the code? In most cases then this is something which isnt really hat possible most of the time.

I am sure the coder can find the loophole in their server and tell the owner or their security to fix the bug. Maybe the owner will think about hiring that coder to join their team to get paid with a nice payment. Right now, if someone can work as a security team, they can earn a lot of money because the site will need a high-skills of security that can protect their site from attackers.

There's always a process and before the business will completely start, there are test run to process,

And it's a must have an expert security programmers to protect your business, people who are highly trained to make sure that there's no
Hackers that will hack you into the system and suck all the money, maybe some leak, but it should be noticeable right away. We know hackers will always find the ways,.

Maybe they think the topic is about online software. For those recent responses, the topic is about a physical slot machine.

Even a coder will pass by on that slot machine, I doubt at only a few attempts he will discover how to cheat on it. That coder won't spend time searching for loopholes but instead just play on it then leave.

It will be also hard for that coder to cheat on that machine as that requires disassembling it which is impossible to do.

Coding for anything involving cash transactions will be done in a black box manner where interlinked modules are each assembled independently without direct cooperation by a team spread out in their development and this is to avoid compromise to the project by any one person having control of the overall process or the ability to put in a back door that would give a pay out of some kind.
    I'd say that kind of process is probably used in a few different sectors, banking, gambling anything with alot of safety and double checks required etc.

It's an addiction like most other forms of gambling.  Why do people play the lottery le scratch offs.  Same terrible probability of winning.  But there is always that dollar and a dream thought, where you can win big.  Will someone, yes.  Will nearly everyone else bankrupt, yep.  Addiction and "the dream".

Like any habit forming activity - people tend to drift into slot machines because of "boredom" and a lack of self control compounds the issue. Many people will take up such games because they are trying to fill some sort of emptiness in their life or need some sort of distraction. It starts off very slowly, they might get introduced to a machine on a night out with friends while they're having a great time and then they go back to it trying to rekindle some good memories or perhaps they won a lot on their first go - so think it is easy money. You just need to try to understand the math going on behind it to see that you will never win on such fixed-odds betting machines and it's not worth your money ever trying to find ways to break them.

there's something about the stimulus > response time as well
if you do something like play a game or use a drug and pleasure comes really fast afterwards it affects dopamine receptors in a different way than if its slow

videogames use it a lot, and most casinos knows about it too

interting to notice how different people have different self control too, as you pointed.

When you do have that kind of mindset then most likely you would really be walking in the path of addiction and this is something which is really hard to be controlled once you got yourself into it.

We do have different targets and different perceptions towards things and if you do really have that so-called dream on winning big then this would be a main factor that would really driven you off on making actions
which arent supposed to be done.

This is a very wrong kind of motivation because this type does signify addiction and this isnt good.

That's what I'm saying, this idea is more likely to lead to a prison sentence than to a situation where the coder installs his software on the slot machine and gets rich off of it.

The only option is if the coder has direct access to the slot machine, for example, maintains such equipment. In this situation, he can install software which has loopholes. Once he leaves his job, he can use third parties who know his secret to make a profit from the slot machines. But this will not last long either.

I also think that it is impossible for us to beat the slot machine in order to win big in the game, in my opinion slot games are a game of luck and no special tricks are needed to win them, besides that beating slots is not easy because of course slot machines are designed with special programs to run the system in every spin and it can be said that maybe only those who  create slot machines know a certain bug or code in the machine.

Some may just try because they think of it as a challenge, after all we know that people with that kind of ability are always looking for a good challenge and not necessarily want the money, however I agree, someone with the skill to try to crack the code of an online game and see if there are some bugs that he can exploit has enough talent and ability that he is not going to need to use his time for something like this at all as he will have many other sources of income.

Sometimes, we see the casino make a competition to find a bug in their side and if someone can find that bug, the casino will give huge rewards in money to them. It really helps the casino know if their site has a loophole to fix the bug as soon as possible. Besides that, the casino can ask that winner to work with them as the security programmers to protect their site from attackers.

But I found on the search engine that some people sell their method to win illegally from the casino and that really attracts more attention from the people to buy and try the method.

I think that's a self motivation. But If I could remember there are some case where a player managed to exploit a slot machine and win a lot of money but then when he was sued by the casino he won the case saying that he just pressed buttons which is legally allowed because he's a player and yes he won the case.

I'm not really a fan of slots I think I wasted a lot of money there.

I had heard the theory that there were people capable of breaking the code, mostly from Chinese nationals. I stopped believing in it since a friend who works in a casino told me that they have a lot of Chinese gamblers who end up self-excluding after having too much. You put "Wang" or "Chen" in the computer system and a very long list of people who have self-excluded themselves from the casinos comes up.

that! the game is programmed to have quite small odds that will benefit the house, not you
there's no code to crack if something is written let's say to give a prize in 3% of rolls and take your money on 97%
then they just have to receive more money on these 97% of times than they'll pay out for the winners

Yes the odds of winning are quite small, but still there are ways to beat a slot machine for a small amount. When gambling was not yet banned in my country my friends and I used to go to the casino and play slot machines. Our strategy was that before we sit down for the slot machine we have several hours to monitor the activity of all slot machines. We were able to make good money sitting down only for those slot machine in which it has already been thrown a lot of money but they have not yet given the winnings.

Of course, this can not be attributed to breaking the code is just an increase in the probability of winning by counting.

Agreed, the majority of this is 60 percent for the house and 40 percent for the players, which isn't ideal. Well, they probably advertised it fairly, but we can't say for sure if it was truly fair because we don't have access to the code. However, there is still randomness in the code that actually executes the results, and it will continue to change depending on their algorithm. However, people continue to win from it, so there are still a lot of people playing on it, but in this type of situation, the house always wins.

Things like this are likely to happen, thinking that you can break the code and enjoy keep winning from the house. Probably casino is just alluring you and give you some time to cash out of their house, but in returned a long losing streak will keep on happening to you. You'll just realize that you already lose too much from this activity.

Gambling operators know how to take advantage of gamblers' greediness, they'll let you feel you are in control, but in the end, they are the ones who are controlling you.

Breaking the code is something that would never happen because gambling houses are businesses and there's no way that you can milk them out without noticing if ever you do really find out some bugs literally.
In means of emotional aspect then this is something that you cant really just able to get rid. You would definitely be finding ways to take advantage towards gambling and would mind about constant win
which we can say that it is impossible and to think off that this kind of motive in mind will really be triggering out addiction.

One thing about the code and breaking it is that luck might just take over his wheels and turn his ordeal into a jackpot. In gambling no one really knows when his lucky day could come and mostly it comes un announced. But saying he could break the code by intention I think it's only a waste of effort and also waste of fund.

That is the thinking that usually someone is tired already with their losses and started to say some words out of their mouth due to the bad results.

It's not actually breaking the code and it's a typical expression that we do when we're frustrated.

interesting approach
this was purely on observation or you also take notes on number of rolls and frequency of prizes?

I'd be curious to know how often these pay players
more than 1% of times?

Only a few could really able to last that long or in the situation that theyre tired on having losses because most of the time people do really end up on getting wrecked for them not able to make bets anymore
due to financial problems.

When you are still on the situation where you are on mid-way of addiction or huge losses then better stop and dont aim for more or having that kind of fixed mindset that you would really be beating up the house
because we know on how reality works.

If you dont able to slap out your face then you would be surely experiencing the most common problem for an addicted person to face on.

No, modern slots are very, very exciting to play, they have great graphics, a lot of win opportunities and other benefits. Overall, there is some story behind every slot games, some are about ancient greek gods, some - about mythic warriors and so on.

At the same time, people think on slots like you have to feed it in order to get something from it. i.e. I know people who lose and look positively at it because they think that slots need to eat money in order to return some to you. Then they lose money and say offensive words like are you still hungry you mf... give me some money back.

I haven't heard anyone trying to break the code but some people really think that there should be some secret sombinations that will hack the slot machine and they'll become millionaires.

I can not know the percentage of winnings because we did not have access to the algorithms of slot machines.

A person comes to play and chooses the slot machine he likes. We observe his game and therefore know approximately how much money he put into the machine. If he lost quite a lot and the machine did not give him the winnings next one of us sat down for this machine. We never played a slot machine that had not been used before us that day or had already let someone win.

I don't know if this strategy works now, we used it about 10 years ago.

Slots are kind of addictive because people from any class can choose since they are exists for all class and everywhere so we don't even need a casino we even have them on supermarkets.

Its complete random and the user can only expect that lucky draw and they expect it all the time, thats the hook of gambling that is why people keep falling for it even if they know they never going to make it happen.