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July 30, 2021, 06:53:42 AM
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Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it".
That's a dangerous mentality to have if one has it. I cannot imagine someone trying to battle out with the machine and try to fight against it rather than having fun playing the games. It's more like kicking a stone and breaking your own leg in hope of breaking the stone.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?
Well, it depends on the player what is their actual intention behind playing the slots. For me, I play slots because I always have a feeling that I might win something big and no, I am not chasing big wins but that's the kind of intention I have when I play slots. Maybe it has something to do with all the streamers showing off their wins.

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July 30, 2021, 09:32:20 AM
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I absolutely agree with your point of view. Even if the player was able to make good money on the slot machine which had in its code error, the owner of the slot machine should pay him all the earned remuneration or at least generously thank him for finding the existing bug.

I often come across this opinion (mostly supported by the casinos themselves): in a casino legally you can only lose, if you win then you break the rules. This approach makes me very angry and by the way it is also very common among bookmakers who like to introduce various restrictive measures against successful bettors.

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July 30, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
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If your neighbors can win the most from slot machines, that will be worth spinning in a nearby bar, but if he loses his money and is still searching for the right bar, I do not think that is worth it. I am not sure that many gamblers can break their code in the slot machines because that needs knowledge, skills, and luck.

I never think much about that because playing on slots machines really needs the luck to win. And I do not think that many gamblers can win from the slot machines. I think people like slot machines because they get fun while rolling the image and hit the jackpot. Besides that, maybe the amount of money to bet is not too high so they can roll many times.

For me, Slot machines are fun even though they lose more than getting three symbols in a row. Gambling games on slot machines have been around for a long time and are still effective with various picture features and a comfortable display when playing. Especially with tense music, adding to the sense of addiction.
If you bet for a small amount, losing more than three times will not be a problem because that is still small money. But we know that many gamblers place big money to bet and suddenly, that money is gone at once and it will be hard to recover the losses.

I admitted that slot machines could give pleasure and make us forget the time to make people spend more money because they expect to hit the jackpot in the next roll.



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July 30, 2021, 11:24:12 AM
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I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

Not really a sort of these guys are trying to break a code but in every gambling, there's a thing in our mind that we want to win big. Slots machines offer a good winning so people like to test their chance and luck. Been there on that experience so I understand the feeling.

While in the process of chasing the big win, people become aggressive everytime they lose and that's where the challenge of defeating the machine starts.

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July 30, 2021, 05:18:31 PM
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While many beginners think they are doing good in the gambling I don't think all the beginners fall in this trap.
I personally deposited money 2-4 times in the beginning and soon I realized what I was doing wrong.
I was able to understand the gameplay of the operators and then later decreased my deposit amount.
These days I just play with the free coins I receive on those gambling websites.

Using the balance you have for free makes us less burdened with defeat. That's pretty good, especially if you win of course any amount is not a problem. You will certainly accept it without a second thought. That becomes a lucrative bonus.

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July 30, 2021, 05:51:09 PM
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Nah, I don’t think it really has to do anything with gambling and slots, it’s just emotions speaking. Many people (me included) talk to objects, especially in cases where they want to direct their anger at them, e.g. when the TV isn’t working,  or fridge, or something wrong with the phone, etc.
I think that was the case with this guy.
Haha just how some tennis players like Andy Murray (great player, no disrespect) talk to themselves when they are not winning points. It doesn't mean much and I agree that it is just the emotions getting the better out of a person. At times when I am losing too many bets, I am shouting at my laptop and it does not mean I am getting mad, it is just emotions.

Even if the player was able to make good money on the slot machine which had in its code error, the owner of the slot machine should pay him all the earned remuneration or at least generously thank him for finding the existing bug.
Yeah, sometimes reporting the bug can lead to a bigger bonus than you get by abusing it. Also, some casinos will hire you if they feel you have a good grasp of how things work and you get a good job and don't have to do much either.

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July 30, 2021, 06:36:02 PM
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I often come across this opinion (mostly supported by the casinos themselves): in a casino legally you can only lose, if you win then you break the rules. This approach makes me very angry and by the way it is also very common among bookmakers who like to introduce various restrictive measures against successful bettors.

Yes, I've heard stories about how some sites are blocking honest bettors who are well versed in sports gambling and who win several wins in a row. If I'm not mistaken such guys are forced to play only through a VPN as their IP addresses are collected in a database and blocked.

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July 30, 2021, 07:04:02 PM
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I hope this is not the case, because how are you going to teach the machine anything? It will just take your money and say thank you. In Las Vegas I remember that most people on the slot machines where just drinking and having a good time. If you start speaking to the machine it is probably not a good sign.

Don't take that action literally. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a gambling behavior and it's common especially in Vegas casinos.

It happened to everyone especially if the person is pumped up and eager to make a win. They already know that it's impossible to beat a machine but it's possible to make one big winning with several spins while doing it.

Don't mind those people if that's their way to attract some luck.
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July 31, 2021, 10:14:29 AM
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If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case).

I think it is illegal in all conceivable cases. How can it be otherwise? Say, you find a weaknesses in a vending machine in the US: it accepts some Zimbabwean coins and gives you back change 100 times more valuable than the coins you inserted. Is it a weakness that can be exploited? Yes. Is it illegal to exploit it? Absolutely.

If he just plays by the rules that are included in the gaming machine and hopes to beat it, then this is just silly.

Yep. It's just silly. It doesn't mean you can't win a big amount by chance. You can. But hoping to beat the machine purposefully is silly.

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July 31, 2021, 10:57:33 AM
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If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case).

I think it is illegal in all conceivable cases. How can it be otherwise? Say, you find a weaknesses in a vending machine in the US: it accepts some Zimbabwean coins and gives you back change 100 times more valuable than the coins you inserted. Is it a weakness that can be exploited? Yes. Is it illegal to exploit it? Absolutely.

Your analogy is incorrect. Let's consider normal cases when, for example, a slot machine developer makes mistakes in algorithmization:

For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

What could be illegal to beat this slot machine? An error in algorithmization is entirely a problem of the developer and the company that deals with these slot machines.
For example, if a player makes a "wrong" bet and, having lost, demands to return it back, everyone will laugh at this behavior. Why should we have a different approach if the opposite side makes a mistake?

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While many beginners think they are doing good in the gambling I don't think all the beginners fall in this trap.
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While many beginners think they are doing good in the gambling I don't think all the beginners fall in this trap.
I personally deposited money 2-4 times in the beginning and soon I realized what I was doing wrong.
I was able to understand the gameplay of the operators and then later decreased my deposit amount.
These days I just play with the free coins I receive on those gambling websites.

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It doesn't make much of a difference to play with that kind of money if we are playing to earn profits.
But yeah, if we are playing for fun then we can surely use that amount and save our precious coins from getting lost.

The most important point when gambling is that you are happy and relieve stress, without worrying about losing. you have the option to entertain yourself, oh well, maybe if I get free coins and use them to gamble, I won't hesitate to put them in the Slot every time Roll doesn't care to lose.

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I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?
It is like I am late to post but I just want to give my own opinion. The answer is yes. Some people will think they can do it and win big, but gambling has been gambling, it has the be done wisely, else it can result to losses.

The most important point when gambling is that you are happy and relieve stress, without worrying about losing. you have the option to entertain yourself, oh well, maybe if I get free coins and use them to gamble, I won't hesitate to put them in the Slot every time Roll doesn't care to lose.
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The most important point when gambling is that you are happy and relieve stress, without worrying about losing. you have the option to entertain yourself, oh well, maybe if I get free coins and use them to gamble, I won't hesitate to put them in the Slot every time Roll doesn't care to lose.
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One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

He just wants to fire his confidence nothing more we are like that when we want to win badly I sometimes act like that and just got to my senses after the session, it's exciting doing this, we are here to play to get excited and we are very much excited we tend to say things that people thought we are crazy, but that's just us getting excited.

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August 01, 2021, 07:45:16 AM
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The most important point when gambling is that you are happy and relieve stress, without worrying about losing. you have the option to entertain yourself, oh well, maybe if I get free coins and use them to gamble, I won't hesitate to put them in the Slot every time Roll doesn't care to lose.
If we can play gambling to have fun and relieve stress without worrying about losing, that can prevent us from the addicting because we can stop gambling after we think that we already get fun and eliminate the stress. If we can do that, we can refresh our minds and go back to our daily activities without hard feelings. We should know how to treat gambling well. Otherwise, we can get dragged into the deep of gambling without realizing and do not have a chance to get out of gambling.

That is a good point. There are only two reasons why gamblers gamble on casinos and websites.

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2. Fun

Those who play for profits mostly end up losing the money and only a few make good profits.
Those who play for fun are the ones who like the feeling of winning and those people can decrease their amount a lot and get the same gameplay.
Now onwards I would advice those who play for fun to decrease the amount so that they don't lose much when they lose the bets.

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August 01, 2021, 04:26:56 PM
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To be honest I've never even played slots in a physical casino and I don't know when I'll have the chance to do so. I feel that the gambler's win against the machine is really unexpected luck and would be very hard to predict. I don't need to talk much about slot machine I never play, this is completely irrelevant to me as I've only bet 99% online so far.

"breaking the code" it sounds like something very difficult for anyone to do but still possible for those who are geniuses. I just think that when one's motivation and belief is to win a bet then there is usually luck in it.

When it comes to slots I do not think there is anything to break, there have been cases in the past of people cheating in slot machines, for example there was one person that coded the machines and introduced a special sequence in some of them that allowed him to win every time, while some people used a physical device that when they won allowed them to cheat the machine and make the machine to keep paying even if it had given them their deserved reward, but besides those methods which are cheating I do not see how can anyone break the code when it comes to slot machines.



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August 01, 2021, 05:17:24 PM
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This is how gambling should be, it should only be with little amount used to gamble. I was once an addict but later changed, I used very low amount of money, if I lose, I do not even bother about it, but winning still gives me the sense and feeling of fulfilment, but losing is not making me feel sad and I feel happy all because only little amount of money is what I am using.

That's all because you have managed to master at least know how to control the mental state that almost fell due to losing the game. I'm sure you've gone through various obstacles to get to the point where you start to know what alternatives to do when you lose and control your mental state well.
You have a point where not everyone has control over their mental state. And what you need to do in the future is to maintain that playing must have a mind limit that oversees it.

play gambling to have fun and relieve stress without worrying about losing, that can prevent us from the addicting because we can stop gambling after we think that we already get fun and eliminate the stress. If we can do that, we can refresh our minds and go back to our daily activities without hard feelings. We should know how to treat gambling well. Otherwise, we can get dragged into the deep of gambling without realizing and do not have a chance to get out of gambling.

That's what we are looking for in gambling, the words winning and losing are just relativity which is not really used as a reference. Even if you win, it's definitely better. But if we lose, we must immediately have the cure. Gambling is not so bad if we know what to do.



That is a good point. There are only two reasons why gamblers gamble on casinos and websites.

1. Profits
2. Fun

Those who play for profits mostly end up losing the money and only a few make good profits.
Those who play for fun are the ones who like the feeling of winning and those people can decrease their amount a lot and get the same gameplay.
Now onwards I would advice those who play for fun to decrease the amount so that they don't lose much when they lose the bets.

I know you actually don't quite accumulate into the 2 points mentioned. For example, freedom in it. Then it will be very complete already beautiful to control all in one clear and positive mind.

It's true, that everyone advises the players to keep having fun, lose and oftentimes there will be stress, but believe me other times you will be a winner. This is just about today for those who haven't been on your side. No one gambles constantly losing, at least he must win. It's just a matter of time and conditions that are often not right.

Having a good mindset is key about gambling it can prevent us from getting hooked on gambling. Especially games like slots where the buy in is fairly cheap and you can play it for hours without really losing a lot of money. But we need to be aware that winning the jackpot is very unlikely, it is like winning in the lottery larger amounts. Most of us will probably never be so lucky. Talking to the machine seems like a first step of addiction in my opinion. It creates a connection between us and the machine and makes it seem like we can influence something, but in reality we can't. It is just a machine with a code and randomness.

Often we hear from experienced gamblers say "Don't gamble if the state of mind is still completely unstable" even if stressed, at least take a break for a while, until the point of normality begins to feel.

It is true, the possibility of the Jackpot will be minimal for a small expenditure. As for once, there are only two wins, you get back the excess from spending, or only part of 50% of what you have bet on the slot machine.

Only a machine that has been set up in such a way, but even slot machines are often careless, and you can take advantage of that negligence to take the winning seat.

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August 01, 2021, 05:21:42 PM
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Slot games give different experiences sometimes they want to play it because of the design of the roulette, the sound making of it and the lever if we are talking about the physical slot it gives a different kind of excitement when you play it's too hard to explain but it looks like satisfaction to yourself. Today we are already in a digital world so we have different online gambling platforms and now they make more animations so the eyes of the players get more active and caught by the game to play more. Of course, if you win the game there's a chance to get to play more.

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One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

People love to personify (endow with human properties) inanimate objects or abstract things ...

It starts from childhood.  Children read the tales of Hans-Christian Andersen, and there the main character is a tree, a herring or a flower.  Or, for example, many have read the fairy tale "The Nutcracker". 

The main character there is a nut cracker.  Children read such bedtime stories and this is perceived on a subconscious level.  Children also watch cartoons with talking animals.  Then growing up begins. 

And it turns out that people carry out the decrees and orders of such an abstract entity as the state. 

Does the state exist though? 

No, this is just an abstraction. 

Is it any wonder your friend is talking to a slot machine?  I am personally not surprised.

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