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Title: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Pokapoka124_appeal on September 06, 2021, 03:17:31 PM
Good day everyone,
I joined the forum on Dec 13, I came to the forum from telegram (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5301035.msg55855664#msg55855664). That's my background...pump and dump groups, mining scams e.t.c. I had been scammed on telegram and needed a safe place. That's why I came here. I enjoy the peace and sanity during my 9 months here. I learnt so much and have introduced bitcoin in my day life. I found this morning my account has been banned.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2873783
The post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311064.msg56145997#msg56145997) in question was created Jan 20 when I was newbie.  I read the article and was excited about the news. The intent was to not to claim the work, I only wanted to know why someone would do such a thing on the blockchain. I was a newbie at the time and therefore the motivation was not to complete signature post quota. But simply to gain knowledge. Most of my topics back then were made of questions. I admit I should have done more to cite the reference because the images didn't do justice to that.
I always believed in the justice of the moderators. That is the main reason why I have created this thread
Quote from: theymos on February 24, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Why I think good for the forum as a whole ?
I won't claim to be a saint...far from it. I agree that I have made mistakes in the past but I try to be the best I can. Although I am not a well reputed member of this distinguished forum but my love for this community is undeniable. Coming from telegram groups( a safe haven for scammers), I took it as a mission to expose such scams here. So far I have exposed 10 scams. I'm asking for a second chance . I hope moderators @hilariousandco will consider my appeal.

My Scam Posts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5320813.msg56464287#msg56464287

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5320811.msg56464207#msg56464207

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5306518.msg56011018#msg56011018

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5338256.msg57036124#msg57036124

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5329723.msg56752155#msg56752155

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355715.msg57746093#msg57746093

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355468.msg57735080#msg57735080

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355059.msg57718760#msg57718760

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5351367.msg57555263#msg57555263

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346406.msg57338178#msg57338178

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5345478.msg57300307#msg57300307


Reasons Why I will miss the forum
I am grateful to be on the forum. I have learnt a lot here. I recently included Bitcoin payments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5356106.msg57764790#msg57764790) in my stores. The forum members have been helpful giving their suggestions and ideas on how to improve my business. I promised to give feedback after two months.
Some other helpful threads I have come to appreciate are;

How to use lightning Network (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202798.msg53122219#msg53122219)

TUTORIAL: How to use Electrum (for beginners) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3456040.0)

 [READ] About blockchain.info's web wallet and "stuck" transactions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1914800.0)

 🌍[Guide] Prevent scam!!! Some useful tools for find scam / fake ICO team 🌍 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4586576.msg41375668#msg41375668)

 How to Prevent Telegram Users from adding you to Telegram Groups! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5072351.0)

 How does a double spend 51% attack work ? Explanation and examples (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035336.0)



Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: airfinex on September 06, 2021, 05:02:37 PM
  • All you do is tell us that the "newbie" is to blame for the plagiarism and not you.
  • All you do is try to outshine us with your "alleged" achievements instead of appealing
  • You did not even deign to mention that in 24 hours you were convicted of plagiarism twice

There is a huge difference between you and another guy who recently filed an appeal, because he admitted his mistake and you did not! And I do not understand what relation to the bitcoin forum is the instruction how to "prohibit adding you to groups" - it is the same if you said that on this forum you learned how to properly wipe your ass.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Desmong on September 06, 2021, 05:36:00 PM
  • All you do is tell us that the "newbie" is to blame for the plagiarism and not you.
  • All you do is try to outshine us with your "alleged" achievements instead of appealing
  • You did not even deign to mention that in 24 hours you were convicted of plagiarism twice

There is a huge difference between you and another guy who recently filed an appeal, because he admitted his mistake and you did not! And I do not understand what relation to the bitcoin forum is the instruction how to "prohibit adding you to groups" - it is the same if you said that on this forum you learned how to properly wipe your ass.


What do you think about the below quote?

it's obvious that this your account is an alt account of a reputable member of this forum hiding under a member account. How come you are so skilled in attacking and running researches that only a member that have stayed long in this forum could exhibit.

You are an alt account, take it or leave it!

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: airfinex on September 06, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
It's none of your business why I'm using an alternate account, so enjoy the quote.

Marcel, Marie.

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 06, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
I was a newbie at the time and therefore the motivation was not to complete signature post quota. But simply to gain knowledge.
Being a newbie is no excuse, and I don't understand the link between you wanting to gain knowledge and failing to cite a source for the person's work which you posted.  It also doesn't matter that you weren't in a sig campaign or what your motivation was for posting someone else's content.  The fact is that you broke the rule about plagiarism, and unlike Mpamaegbu you're not claiming that you forgot to cite the source; you're not giving any reason for not doing so, just extraneous facts/feelings.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Why I think good for the forum as a whole ?

So far I have exposed 10 scams.
That's a mitigating factor, but if the mods are going to be consistent, being a Sr. Member with an account less than a year old whose main value to the forum has been exposing 10 scams isn't going to result in the ban being lifted.  A member has to be very much valued by the community for that to happen, and personally I wasn't even familiar with who you were when I found out about your ban (along with Mpamaegbu's in the BestChange campaign thread).  Maybe the moderators will see it differently, but that's how I see it.

By the way, you were pretty harsh with this member:

Op you clearly broke the terms and conditions. You KNEW your country was RESTRICTED from the start. I assume you were using VPN to access the site. And finally got caught. A better approach would have given you more audience and sympathy but blatantly calling a reputable company a scam because of your folly is...well...not a very good idea.
I would suggest that if the mods or the community apply the same standards to your own behavior, don't expect much support with your ban appeal.  You never made the claim that you didn't know plagiarism wasn't allowed, therefore you knowingly broke the rule, just like the member in the above quote.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Desmong on September 06, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
It's none of your business why I'm using an alternate account, so enjoy the quote.

Marcel, Marie
You are just barely 2 months in this great forum and you are writing, acting and behaving like a Legendary/Hero member.

Why don't you come out using your main account rather than just hiding under the shadow of your damn curiosity to make a common sense


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Smartvirus on September 06, 2021, 06:20:39 PM
I'll rather see a user repent and corrects his mistake, than to see them being banned while trying to be the best they could be. Though, this is very difficult to ascertain given the fact that, in the forum, it is just words that we hang on and words of deceit is a part of the forum for which we can't completely get rid of.

The Pokapoka124 account is one of the fastest grown account which got a 3fold boost lately due to the users activeness and contributions to the forum. First was his acceptance to the Roobet campaign,  his promotion to senior member and lastly his acceptance to the Best_Change campaign. A campaign well known to be very skeptical in picking users that are presumably amongst the elites with regards to there contribution in the forum.
I must say, this user has done his quota and continued to do more in scam bursting, exposing both scammers and their sites with practical interactions with these scammers and its been a good one. People believe what they see and in many instances, you made us see them.

Though, I'm still mad with that silly mistake not to have put a proper link and instead, embedded it in a photo. It is a fact that newbie accounts aren't allowed to post images and as such, a way around it has been posting links that redirects you to the reference points. Seeing your error photo display might earn you a benefit of the doubt on that instance but, the best way to redemption is accepting of guilt before stating your case truthfully and with remorse.
I'm sure this account means alot to you hence, your move to save it but, you could only hope for the best and the best lies with the mods.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: suchmoon on September 06, 2021, 06:27:53 PM
It's none of your business why I'm using an alternate account

You kinda make it everyone's business when you use your sockpuppetry to stir shit up:

I am one of those people who like to shake the nerves of others, so if Mpamaegbu successfully appeals against the ban and is unbanned, I will provide new evidence since I have something in store. I am such an obnoxious brute only on weekends, on other days I enjoy watching such scandals drinking Piña colada.

Such a great keyboard warrior hiding under theymos' quote. Pathetic.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: GeorgeJohn on September 06, 2021, 10:47:30 PM
I think a situation like this we have to tamper justic with mercy because irrespective the gravity of user community, i dont want to blame anybody base on evil commitment but a human that is filled with human sympathy it will not be absolutely nice for we to be losing our members one after the other base on their mistakes, because i noticed that some person's works deliberately to elevate the status of the community which i might say pokapoka124 is one of the potential user who tried to grow to the community despite it's mistake,

I'm appealing that irrespective of his crime or commitment, let mods try to grant him favour of temporary ban base on his hardwork and engagement to the community, when looking at it from another perspective how would you feel if you happen to be ban for a community you enjoyed their interaction for long periods of time because of your errors...i really feel so sad and some how when i see people being into trouble...let us not really judge people base on their mistakes because i was told during my primary school period that mistake never be a mistake until it repeat it self severally.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Igebotz on September 06, 2021, 11:04:47 PM
Getting kicked out of a place where you put in so much effort and time is not a feeling anyone wants to have. I'm not sure how reasonable your case is, but I'm confident @hilariousandco will always do what is best for the forum. We are requesting that Poka's contributions to the forum and the local community be recognized, and that the mods consider the positive aspects of his contributions to the forum and give him a second chance to clean up his mess.

Why I think good for the forum as a whole ?
I won't claim to be a saint...far from it. I agree that I have made mistakes in the past but I try to be the best I can. Although I am not a well reputed member of this distinguished forum but my love for this community is undeniable.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 07, 2021, 03:32:35 AM
Let it be known that I have spoken with this user over the phone and he confess to not understanding the forum rules of no plagiarism back when he started on the forum (that's no excuse though) but immediately he got familiarize with the forum, he has been going through his past works including links anywhere he sees fit and probably miss some posts. He also indicated that's why he picked interest in writing about them so others will be educated unlike he was.

He also admitted to adding links of recent to some others that were brought up against him. I think there's no point of chasing away real users on the forum and not alts. While his issue is a very difficult one as he has been found guilty on multiple occasions, I still think we can come to a compromised here. The user has realize his mistakes and willing to take another punishment that doesn't involve getting kicked out of the forum.

I won't be forcing it on the forum moderators but any one of them that sees it as a positive that users are willing to stay on the forum without all the other benefits but just to stay educated and engaged with the best Bitcoin forum should reconsider his ban. He deserves to be punished no doubt about that but for his ban I want to join his appeal for that to be lifted. Just sad when you see users that have grown from how they joined the forum get punished for their ignorance.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 07, 2021, 07:22:39 AM
Once I was in a situation similar to these two users.  I understand the state that they experienced. Yesterday I read the posts of Mpamaegbu for a long time, I did not find anything that could be judged as paraphrased text, or plagiarism.
By the way, Mpamaegbu, you will surely be reading this topic, I would like to say that the reading was fun. And especially I got acquainted with many sayings that you often use, it is sometimes useful in our life. The proverb that if you do not know a person, do not judge, but first get to know him, as never before, fits the case with Mpamaegbu. :)
As for Pokapoka124, here's a slightly different story. He is disingenuous, but I will not argue that he tried to be active on the forum. I will not point out some of the facts that he knows about, but do you agree, Pokapoka124, to receive a signature ban for a year or two?
This is a good test of loyalty to the forum. Many have gone through this. I think it would be fair to treat decisions to lift the ban based on experience and the people who have been exposed to it.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Igebotz on September 07, 2021, 07:29:23 AM
I'm not sure how relevant this merit (https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ddmrddmr/viz/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/PersonalSummary) pie chart is in this case, but I simply wanted to highlight how much his work to the forum has earned him so much respect from high-ranking forum users, and that permanently banning him would be a net loss to the forum and to the Nigerian community. There is no justification for what he has done; all we are asking for is a lesser sentence.

When a child is misbehaving, it is said that you should reprimand him with your right hand while drawing him closer with your left. However, families do not fully abandon their own children.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

https://i.imgur.com/OGSADyL.png


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Smartvirus on September 07, 2021, 09:21:48 AM
I have come to the realisation of the forum to have over 3kinds of newbies, those whom are here to evade ban, those who are here solely to destroy the accounts of others with an alt and those who are genuine, ignorant & willing to learn for which I belive Pokapoka124 account springed up from. Looking at the pace the account used in growing and the level of acquaintance the account is with the forum.

You can never learn if you aren't ignorant and that's not stupidity. One who claims to know everything is one who could be regarded regarded as a stupid person or an alt. I tell you first hand, most persons never knew the extent to which plagiarism is a serious crime when said in the real word until they saw how forum handles it. Pmalek suggested (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096849.msg49216082#msg49216082) people living in different parts of the world may view plagiarism differently. Not so many beginners would tend to the reputation board to get really familiarised with the plagiarism rule and if you weren't oriented, your likely to fall and when you do and realise what is faulted, you tend to correct your mistake and that seems like a good thing to me. Being wrong and trying to right the wrongs. This seems the case with the case with this user @Pokapoka124 following his actions by virtue of this thread and looking at the contributions he has on the forum. Even as a newbie and not allowed to post pictures, the user still tried to project a pictorial representation of the intent message across for a better appreciation of content. I look at the piece and it isn't looking like a merit seeking post but solely to understand why people act in certain ways on the blockchain. An inquiry post which is geared towards learning, a core value in the forum. Though, plagiarism remains plagiarism and as such, the piece should have been cited but the intent to learn and not being all merit hungry other posts from beginners should mean something. I can see that the user never earned a single merit on either of the posts it was accused with solely because of the intent which focused on learning.

Having a 3 fold boost in a week or 2weeks I'll say, that's an active user for sure and should be cautioned rather than a permanent ban. If who loose all our ranked users, who teaches the beginners?
Well, I'll plead, that the ban on Pokapoka124 be reconsider and even a more minimal punishment, maybe few months or a year of signature ban would be just okay.

Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Forum is first and loosing credible forum users isn’t best for the forum.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Pokapoka124_appeal on September 07, 2021, 09:26:34 AM
Thank you all for your sympathy and understanding. I really appreciate it. A signature ban in my case would be mercy. I will accept such mercy if given. Being a member of the forum is more important to me


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Mpamaegbu on September 07, 2021, 09:52:46 AM
By the way, Mpamaegbu, you will surely be reading this topic, I would like to say that the reading was fun. And especially I got acquainted with many sayings that you often use, it is sometimes useful in our life. The proverb that if you do not know a person, do not judge, but first get to know him, as never before, fits the case with Mpamaegbu. :)
Your comment here means a lot to me because I don't see you as someone who is given to flattery, having come across some of your posts in the past. Thanks for perusing my posts. Like I said earlier, that debacle unmasked my solitary status on the forum. I don't know whether to be happy for it or not, anyway 🤔.


Honestly, I think the forum would need to review its policy on punishment for plagiarism. I do think that a warning should be there for first offenders before the ultimate strike. I'm moved to tears for the user Pokapoka124. I know what it feels like to be faced with such damnable situation, having just come out of ban myself for something I ordinarily wouldn't have thought of doing. I mean, plagiarism is as bad as theft (no, strike that out.)...as armed robbery. It's intellectual "thievery" permit the use of that expression.

But the truth remains that someone might indulge in plagiarism without even knowing it. It may not be a slip like in my case but complete lack of knowledge of it. Most newbies are caught up with this, especially those who stumble on this forum without anyone holding their hands to show them where and where to read on the forum. Yes, I know the sticky threads are there but most newbies (even veteran members) don't have that patience of thorough reading. They just scan through. That isn't in anyway an excuse to justify plagiarism, though.

@airfinex and I have been having chats after my case was resolved yesterday. There were certain stuff that could even constitute plagiarism that they brought to my awareness and I'm trying to convince them to open a thread for teaching on plagiarism. It should be an interactive thread, not a sticky like we already have, so that samples could be taken and thrashed for members to know. I hope they take up that challenge or someone else does. BTT should be a forum of support and strength to all and not one that unjustifiably seeks to victimize.

Pokapoka124, is a very active and valuable member of this community and an asset to our Nigeria Local Board, All board discussion welcomed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5121680.0). I almost teared up while going through that thread I have running on African Proverbs in Pidgin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261214.0) and seeing his posts and knowing he's banned and can't comment there ATM. @lovesmayfamilis, I'm sure you read some of his posts there too.

I ain't an emotional person but surprisingly this got to me. Please, mods temper justice with mercy on Pokapoka. This community still needs him.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Poker Player on September 07, 2021, 10:03:33 AM
Honestly, I think the forum would need to review its policy on punishment for plagiarism. I do think that a warning should be there for first offenders before the ultimate strike.

I doubt that the forum is going to revise its policy on how to deal with plagiarism, but I agree with you. If it's just one case, if it happened a while ago, if it's moderate (not someone just copy-pasting whole paragraphs, but some sentence), don't rush into banning him.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: examplens on September 07, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
Thank you all for your sympathy and understanding. I really appreciate it. A signature ban in my case would be mercy. I will accept such mercy if given. Being a member of the forum is more important to me

I think usually signature bans were obtained for two years. I believe that you will lose the will to be active as much as up to now.

I think there is very little chance that your account will be unbanned, probably none. it is a completely different case compared to Mpamaegbu.
Obviously, you write copy/paste posts without citing sources. What makes your case difficult is the topic created by you Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350121.0) where you clearly talk about the issue of plagiarism and showing that clearly know the weight of such violations.
So, your mistake can't be considered an accident.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Pokapoka124_appeal on September 07, 2021, 11:37:09 AM
You yourself are talking about plagiarism in your topic: Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350121.0) referring to the rules. It was a month and a half before your ban. You talk about newbies and their plagiarism and at the same time fall for plagiarism, as you claim, which was written at the time when you were a newbie.

That is, you talk about it by telling others, but you are not able to apply your statements to yourself. This is strange.

This is true. No argument there. The plagiarised posts were in my early days and are coming back to haunt me. The Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350121.0) was created in a quest to question the extent of plagiarism. It was at this point I was becoming more aware of the dangers of such actions. In an attempt to throw light on plagiarism it's ironic I didn't  to question myself. Its not so funny at this point that I lacked the insight to look at my ownself. That is my blind spot. I seek repentance and plead for retribution


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: GeorgeJohn on September 07, 2021, 12:05:11 PM
I hope it's obvious now that pokapoka124 has accepted the fact that he plagiarised an article as a result of ignorance and also soliciting for mercy even though it's a critical time i think he deserved atoms of help, we really know how difficult and painful it's for someone to lose environment he or her is been acclimatized with, mods you can grant him a second chance with a punishment not to join a signature campaign for some period of time, I'm just considering the fact that he is interest to leave without the community of bitcointalk, going through the post or comment of pokapoka124 via appeal, it seems that he is inquisitive to come back and enjoy the communication of the forum..so let  the privilege should be giving to the user pokapoka124 with some elements of condition.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Lucius on September 07, 2021, 12:09:04 PM
It is not for me to say what the global mod or the admin will decide about your ban, but I will say that in your specific case there was more than an obvious intention to incorporate someone else's work into your posts. You started your posts with the original content, and then you add plagiarized content, which is one of the worst ways to plagiarize - except maybe those that also use word spinning.



A signature ban in my case would be mercy. I will accept such mercy if given. Being a member of the forum is more important to me

Everyone deserves a second chance, and many have got it - so I see no reason why that chance should not be given in this case with the signature ban.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Gozie51 on September 07, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
You yourself are talking about plagiarism in your topic: Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350121.0) referring to the rules. It was a month and a half before your ban. You talk about newbies and their plagiarism and at the same time fall for plagiarism, as you claim, which was written at the time when you were a newbie.

That is, you talk about it by telling others, but you are not able to apply your statements to yourself. This is strange.

This is true. No argument there. The plagiarised posts were in my early days and are coming back to haunt me. The Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350121.0) was created in a quest to question the extent of plagiarism. It was at this point I was becoming more aware of the dangers of such actions. In an attempt to throw light on plagiarism it's ironic I didn't  to question myself. Its not so funny at this point that I lacked the insight to look at my ownself. That is my blind spot. I seek repentance and plead for retribution

Thank you all for your sympathy and understanding. I really appreciate it. A signature ban in my case would be mercy. I will accept such mercy if given. Being a member of the forum is more important to me

No doubt here that this user have violated the rule of the forum to which he has come to beg for forgiveness and a second chance. I won't consider his post as an appeal but an apology from someone who realizes he has done more grievous harm by preaching the sermon but not being sure of how clean his own actions are.

It is quite different with the other user's case though but rather than a total throwaway of the child and the bath water, if the mod could have a retribution for him that can still allow him a chance to start preaching and doing the act in same manner, he can realize the gravity of plagiarism. Plagiarism is an offence of intellitual property and frowned at even in real world. I think he is begging for a signature ban at least to have a chance to continue with the forum going forward. But is up to the mods to take a decision better for the forum.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Rockstarguy on September 07, 2021, 02:55:07 PM
I feel sorry for your case. I congratulated you on your new rank not long ago. Pray the mods will reconsider your case because your good work for exposing scams was really helpful to me. I read your shots and know how scammers reason. You have contributed to the forum  as an active member, I wish let there be a second chance in your case. Good luck


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: RapTarX on September 07, 2021, 06:05:19 PM
This is true. No argument there. The plagiarised posts were in my early days and are coming back to haunt me. The Plagiarism: Where Do We Draw the Line? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350121.0) was created in a quest to question the extent of plagiarism. It was at this point I was becoming more aware of the dangers of such actions. In an attempt to throw light on plagiarism it's ironic I didn't  to question myself. Its not so funny at this point that I lacked the insight to look at my ownself. That is my blind spot. I seek repentance and plead for retribution
A plagiarist has written about plagiarism and it’s rule on the forum! How much hypocrite someone can be? You are an example for them. Didn’t you know you had a copy/paste post prior to creating that thread? I don’t think you deserve a chance though you seem to be good for the forum. You knew that you have plagiarized but didn’t bother to delete that knowing it’s forbidden in the forum.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: HaleyOccam on September 09, 2021, 02:44:21 AM
Plagiarism is an unforgivable thing in this forum, no matter who it is. In the Bitcoin forum, you can have no original articles, as long as you indicate the source. Just like Ratimov. I want to say a swear word, rubbish regulations. I am not challenging the administrators or moderators, but I think this will kill some people's enthusiasm. Bitcoin forum has a lot of attractions to me. What the forum hates is scammers. Compared with plagiarism, I hate some bounty hunters, especially the TWITTER standard will pay attention to each other 100%. Can we focus on the key points and don't get entangled in what we do. The only criterion for judging whether it is a scammer is whether to defraud the bounty and forum members' money. Bounty programs and signature events increase the difficulty of participation. You cannot participate in precipitation without time.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: BITCOIN4X on September 09, 2021, 08:13:40 AM
Plagiarism is an unforgivable thing in this forum, no matter who it is.
I think it will be resolved case by case by moderators. I've read it dozens of times so that it becomes a provision where 1 mistake made by a forum contributor in the past (unintentional, or for other reasonable reasons) can still be considered by the moderator not to ban it. You can't say the rules should same apply to all forum users, although I will not support plagiarism but the moderator's gentle attitude to forum contributors is highly expected. Losing one useful contributor to a forum with 1 error is not worth the hundreds of spammers there are.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: UserU on September 11, 2021, 04:16:26 AM
Mpamaegbu had a strong case during his appeal. For this one, we have to see what @hilariousandco says.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Lucius on September 11, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
Mpamaegbu had a strong case during his appeal. For this one, we have to see what @hilariousandco says.

The two cases are quite different, although they are both linked by a plagiarism charge. @Mpamaegbu just forgot to add a source link, and that's why his situation was resolved so quickly. What @Pokapoka124 did is far more serious and it's plagiarism that was done with premeditation, aware that it was wrong - but assuming no one would catch him.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: UserU on September 11, 2021, 10:37:50 AM

The two cases are quite different, although they are both linked by a plagiarism charge. @Mpamaegbu just forgot to add a source link, and that's why his situation was resolved so quickly. What @Pokapoka124 did is far more serious and it's plagiarism that was done with premeditation, aware that it was wrong - but assuming no one would catch him.

Ah, that pretty much means a dead end for that fella if that's the case


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Lucius on September 11, 2021, 10:48:53 AM
Ah, that pretty much means a dead end for that fella if that's the case

This does not mean that there is no chance that the whole thing will be resolved positively in his favor, just that the case is much more complicated than the one you are comparing it to. Maybe it would be fair to expect a temporary ban + signature ban as a fair punishment, although now it's all up to global mods/admins.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 11, 2021, 11:27:01 AM
In addition, everyone can see that plagiarism was not the only one if you check all the edited topics. He edited his former started threads and even when plagiarism was discovered.
It seems to me not entirely fair, although I have always considered this guy to be promising in terms of growth on the forum. I do not think that editing at the time of plagiarism catching should change or somehow convince the moderators. Most likely this is another attempt to cheat, clinging to the last hope. This is just another minus in admitting guilt.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: GeorgeJohn on September 11, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
In addition, everyone can see that plagiarism was not the only one if you check all the edited topics. He edited his former started threads and even when plagiarism was discovered.
It seems to me not entirely fair, although I have always considered this guy to be promising in terms of growth on the forum. I do not think that editing at the time of plagiarism catching should change or somehow convince the moderators. Most likely this is another attempt to cheat, clinging to the last hope. This is just another minus in admitting guilt.
The problem i found out that made a moderator not to pay attention is that he made a post of Plagiarism, in which the topic were emphasising and kicking against plagiarised article, so already the post itself has justify him, because you can't advice someone to abstain from something ease and continue to pushing or forcing and practicing the same, it's totally absolutely wrong, editing post's after been caught for violation's of law can't neither help anyone who commit crime, i was solicting for a temporary ban because i know how painful it's to lose a grown account of such nature, i think this is a lesson to newbies including existing users.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Lucius on September 11, 2021, 12:20:57 PM
Probably yes. Here the ban is already permanent and it is almost impossible to correct the situation, since the plagiarism did not have a random nature of origin.

Don't be pessimistic, some have been waiting for days, some for months, and some for years (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097792.0) - it is important for the OP to show perseverance and get as much support as possible from the forum members. Nothing is impossible, everything can be corrected and fixed.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: KingsDen on September 11, 2021, 01:28:11 PM
I do not think that editing at the time of plagiarism catching should change or somehow convince the moderators. Most likely this is another attempt to cheat, clinging to the last hope. This is just another minus in admitting guilt.

Looking at it from this angle, I asked this question before.
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If someone is accused of plagiarism in a particular post, does the person have the right to edit the post(add citation)under accusation

I want to know your opinion if editing a post at the time of plagiarism accusation is a sign of playing smart or that of being remorseful.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: GeorgeJohn on September 11, 2021, 10:25:35 PM
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It's good if that's the case. Then can advise Pokapoka124 to stop justifying his plagiarism by the fact that he was a newbie, etc., and fully admit that he repeatedly copied someone else's text without a link and agrees to take the path of correction.
I could say when this guy called pokapoka124 commit this crime of plagiarism maybe is not aware of the rules and regulations of the community, because many people when they are a beginner to this noble institution they don't care to know the rules that controls the environment, because assuming he knew, he wont has created a topic of plagiarism which we are using to justify the account pkpk124, because i don't think someone will intensional plagiarised article because of to earn a Merit.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: tranthidung on September 12, 2021, 02:12:22 AM
because i don't think someone will intensional plagiarised article because of to earn a Merit.
It is your assumption that could be right or wrong but it could be wrong in my opinion.

Generally I'm not talking about Pokapoka124, bounty hunters copy and paste to get post quota or suddenly change from bounty report, one-line posts to a long one (but plagiarized) just to try earning one merit (to rank up) and get higher stake for their bounty job.

Sharing a good article is a good way to earn merit from what I see. It brings more impression if readers think the topic is original, not plagiarized.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: GeorgeJohn on September 12, 2021, 09:14:53 AM
because i don't think someone will intensional plagiarised article because of to earn a Merit.
It is your assumption that could be right or wrong but it could be wrong in my opinion.

Generally I'm not talking about Pokapoka124, bounty hunters copy and paste to get post quota or suddenly change from bounty report, one-line posts to a long one (but plagiarized) just to try earning one merit (to rank up) and get higher stake for their bounty job.

Sharing a good article is a good way to earn merit from what I see. It brings more impression if readers think the topic is original, not plagiarized.
Actually you are right, because the measure that motivates them to claim authorship of articles is the quality of the article and with that it will enable them to earn a Merit, right now, it's obvious that quality post attracts Merit and that is the reason why some many  users enroll or commit crime of plagiarism, after reading meaning into your respond via this, i have to come in conclusion that you're right.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Smartvirus on September 13, 2021, 09:12:39 PM
You can't say the rules should same apply to all forum users, although I will not support plagiarism but the moderator's gentle attitude to forum contributors is highly expected. Losing one useful contributor to a forum with 1 error is not worth the hundreds of spammers there are.
This is one way I've been looking at this case. I feel for the user, really. Looking at the accounts rise and what job its been doing as per forum contribution, I'm sure there would have been more good from this user in the near future. It was out rightly wrong to have plagiarised and trying to cite an accused post for plagiarism seemed some worth fishy but, its just a position the pressure of loosing an account could create. You try to think fast and then thought wrong.

I really wish to see the likes of Pokapoka124 in the forum once more. The forums greater good is what's of the essence plus, we all have to do do our best in maintaining forum decorum. I'm sure the user must have learnt a lesson of this. Mercy please!


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: examplens on September 13, 2021, 09:37:22 PM
I want to know your opinion if editing a post at the time of plagiarism accusation is a sign of playing smart or that of being remorseful.

it means a plagiarist doesn't think it's a mistake he did it. He edits posts just to prevent a potential ban and save his account, not because he did something dishonourable by appropriating someone’s work. therefore, it is completely selfish, because it is a forced reaction in order to preserve personal gain.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Daniel91 on September 26, 2021, 10:53:36 AM
Probably yes. Here the ban is already permanent and it is almost impossible to correct the situation, since the plagiarism did not have a random nature of origin.

Don't be pessimistic, some have been waiting for days, some for months, and some for years (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097792.0) - it is important for the OP to show perseverance and get as much support as possible from the forum members. Nothing is impossible, everything can be corrected and fixed.

Yes, I remember that case with RegulusHr very well.
His case is still quite different from this case from the OP because first of all RegulusHr immediately admitted his mistake, apologized and also the whole local community absolutely supported him without any hesitation.
Regulus has really managed to prove to the admins and moderators of this forum that his case is unique, that his significance for this forum goes beyond the level of his mistake and that he therefore deserves a new opportunity.
I don't see anything like that in the example from OP for now.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Pokapoka124_appeal on December 30, 2021, 07:05:02 AM
Merry Christmas Bitcointalk!
I'm appealing once again. About a year ago, Dec 13 2020 I joined the forum. I was very active preban. I miss it, I miss being involved. My act of Plagiarism has cost me a lot and now I understand the consequences of my actions. I have learnt a great deal from this experience and will not think of repearing it. I hope you look into this case and reconsider.  I will love to be a part of this community again if you will have me. Thank you


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Poker Player on December 30, 2021, 09:08:25 AM
Merry Christmas Bitcointalk!
I'm appealing once again. About a year ago, Dec 13 2020 I joined the forum. I was very active preban. I miss it, I miss being involved. My act of Plagiarism has cost me a lot and now I understand the consequences of my actions. I have learnt a great deal from this experience and will not think of repearing it. I hope you look into this case and reconsider.  I will love to be a part of this community again if you will have me. Thank you

Merry Christmas!

I don't know what will be the position of the moderators and theymos on this, I understand that in your case it is difficult to be forgiven. However in my particular opinion, if time has passed, you show signs of regret and desire to return I would at least consider letting you return to the forum with a signature ban, like on probation.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on December 30, 2021, 10:14:42 AM
I support your request. Over the past years, there have been many pardons from moderators, including my account.  I understand you very well, the forum is very easy to get used to, and very difficult to leave.  Probably, the moderators could have probably made a pardon, forbidding you to participate in subscription campaigns for a certain period. Many have gone through this. But I also know people who were caught for plagiarism, and they were simply temporarily banned for two or three months without other restrictions. I think users from the Arabic locale know who I am talking about.

Therefore, your request may well be appropriate.

Merry Christmas, and best wishes for good and miracles!


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Poker Player on December 30, 2021, 10:33:21 AM
I support your request. Over the past years, there have been many pardons from moderators, including my account. 

Lol. Were you banned for plagiarism? I don't know your story, but in any case, whatever you were banned for, it shows how useful and important someone can become to the community if given a second chance.

I'm speaking from memory now but I think DdmrDdmr and Cryptopreneurbrainboss didn't get off to good starts on the forum, and look at them now.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on December 30, 2021, 11:12:47 AM

I'm speaking from memory now but I think DdmrDdmr and Cryptopreneurbrainboss didn't get off to good starts on the forum, and look at them now.

I do not know their stories, but mine, yes, was at the beginning with mistakes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141782.0).

Plagiarism consisted of copying a post in which they asked about payment in the bounty. It was a few words, as far as I remember. At that time, as a beginner, I loved generosity, because they were shouted about everywhere, from YouTube to the usual flatiron. And I just copied the sentence from their post about payouts, assuming a few words wouldn't look like a copy. A bot was working to detect plagiarism. Then many accounts of any rank died. But I was lucky and I returned. For which I am immensely grateful to the forum. This is probably why I have such a passion for finding plagiarism.
But on the other hand, some were pitied (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3360818), but he never appreciated all the advantages that were given to him.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 30, 2021, 08:54:19 PM
<…> I'm speaking from memory now but I think DdmrDdmr and Cryptopreneurbrainboss didn't get off to good starts on the forum, and look at them now.
Not really applicable to my case, at least not in the context of being banned for plagiarism and thereafter resuscitating with a celestial pardon (xMas got to me here …). I did have a potential close shave (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099167.msg49301770#msg49301770) with a Nuking device, but the strike was called off in my case (although it did hit the bullseye left and right from me).


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Mpamaegbu on December 31, 2021, 05:25:32 AM
I hope you look into this case and reconsider.  I will love to be a part of this community again if you will have me. Thank you
I honestly hope the moderators do too. We've missed you at our local hangout, I personally do. I pray your ban is overturned because I know giving you a second chance will afford you an opportunity to be a better forum user. Compliments of the season too to you, bro.


but mine, yes, was at the beginning with mistakes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141782.0).
How greatly you've improved, really. I followed the link to the thread and observed how you struggled with quotes. Now you're an expert at it, and not making unnecessary block quotes. It shows how most people will improve at something when given the opportunity. Glad you're still here with us.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Igebotz on December 31, 2021, 02:00:15 PM
I hope you look into this case and reconsider.  I will love to be a part of this community again if you will have me. Thank you
At the local corner, we miss you terribly. I hope you get what you want, because there have been cases where a plagiarism ban has been overturned and the person turned out to be one of the forum's most decorated members-  a perfect example is the Russian Queen!!


Who'd have guessed that DdmrDdmr, a well-known bounty and airdrop spammer in his newbie days whose account was flagged for Nuke (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2941591.msg30218673#msg30218673), would become one of the most decorated users today!! I had no idea till now.  ;D What an icon!! I respect you a lot!!

LoyceV would not have believed it if someone informed him when he started this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2941591.msg30218673#msg30218673) that Ddmr would be the 7th (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DdmrDdmr) most merits user and 149th (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DdmrDdmr)  recognized member in the future. How time flies.

Merry Christmas!!


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: JeromeTash on December 31, 2021, 06:18:17 PM
How greatly you've improved, really. I followed the link to the thread and observed how you struggled with quotes. Now you're an expert at it, and not making unnecessary block quotes. It shows how most people will improve at something when given the opportunity. Glad you're still here with us.
People do improve. Personally, I know that what I am today is a much better version of me yesterday.

By the time lovesmayfamilis got banned, they had already made a huge contribution in the forum by busting scams so they had a net positive in terms of contribution to the forum. I think if i was in the same position as he was. I wouldn't have stood a chance.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Mpamaegbu on December 31, 2021, 06:31:15 PM
~snipped~
People do improve. Personally, I know that what I am today is a much better version of me yesterday.
You're spot on, just like my thought too in that post. I know that a lot of people who get a second chance come out more improved, and in most cases they help warn or prevent others from failing into the same trap or fault as they did. It's the same way I believe OP will.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: hilariousandco on December 31, 2021, 08:55:45 PM
I unbanned it.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: skarais on December 31, 2021, 09:14:24 PM
I unbanned it.
Pokapoka, are you hearing this? This has to be the most beautiful gift for your new year's eve from the bitcointalk.org forum. Congratulations on that Pokapoka124. After almost 3 months of being banned then you have gone through those hard times and got your account back. Make this experience a lesson for 2022 so that you never repeat the same mistakes again, besides happy new year to you and all forum members.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Pokapoka124 on December 31, 2021, 09:40:33 PM
I unbanned it.
I'm in tears...tears of joy. Thank you for giving me a second chance. I want to say thank you to Lovesmayfamilis, Ratimov, CB, the Nigerian community and everyone who showed their support. I'm eternally grateful. I promise to strive to be a better member of this forum. Thank you. This is the best gift ever


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on December 31, 2021, 11:30:59 PM
I unbanned it.

Thank you and congratulations to @Pokapoka124, We missed your contributions on the local and no doubt you have learnt your lesson. Welcome to the forum and welcome to 2022 in advance. Get back to the impressive run you were before this misfortune came your way.  Don't let it hold you back. Learn from the mistake and become a better forum users. We all didn't start as perfect and still aren't but we're better than yesterday and that's progress, that should be the target for you as well.

I just hope you haven't drop zeal and still as enthusiastic as you were from the get go. I'll be watching you. Let see how fast you bounce back to impacting the community with your quality contributions. It's a thing of joy when people are given second chances like this. Don't blow this and make your savior regret it. Welcome back to the forum and happy new year in advance to everyone readying this.


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: Smartvirus on January 01, 2022, 12:39:34 AM
Merry Christmas Bitcointalk!
I'm appealing once again. About a year ago, Dec 13 2020 I joined the forum. I was very active preban. I miss it, I miss being involved. My act of Plagiarism has cost me a lot and now I understand the consequences of my actions. I have learnt a great deal from this experience and will not think of repearing it. I hope you look into this case and reconsider.  I will love to be a part of this community again if you will have me. Thank you
A line of acknowledgement of fault, a line of admittance of guilt, a line of chastity for forum knowledge and a line for change of ways. This is another prove that bitcoingalk give second chances to the deserving based on your best line of action and the people's love/acknowledgement for the works you do in the forum. I'm moved by your courage to be with us and not letting lose in your effort to regain your trust and honour in our community @Pokapoka124. Your welcome once more in this noble gathering of like minds. Help us make bitcointalk better again.

I unbanned it.
This is in line with the African proverb that says; when you stroke a child with your right hand, you draw him close with the left hand to pet the child. A punishment and a correction! You've done noble @hilariousandco, to have acted in the way of sympathy over a user who acknowledged and accepted the wrong of our noble community. Many thanks to you and all the forum users who persisted in a bid to ensure the presence of Pokapoka124 is felt once more amongst us. The Nigerian community is very much in appreciation.

Happy New Year Forum Family.

Best
Smartvirus


Title: Re: Ban Appeal for Pokapoka124
Post by: ChiBitCTy on January 01, 2022, 03:27:04 AM
Happy to see this! I know the awesome feeling of getting unbanned.. I hope for two things ..members see this and realize Theymos and Hilarious truly do care about members here and secondly I hope people learn that second chances here can be deserving.