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From so many points of views, Bitcoin (BTC) trading is investing with the aim of making profit and making gain,I have understood it purpose and it is vulnerable to it's stakers.for one to stake means he/she is ready to profit or lose.

Investing is investing, and trading is trading.

Investing: holding for the long term in the hopes of price appreciation
Trading: buying and selling(mostly multiple times) in a far shorter time span (minutes/hours/days)


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Poorly translated or paraphrased by google perhaps. Maybe "stakers" was originally investors or traders.

I think he doesn't yet know exactly what Bitcoin is.
Maybe what he sees mostly are those other coins that you can able to stake like POS coins or Tokens.

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You can only make a profit on Bitcoin if you buy it at a low price and sell them at a higher price. There is no staking on Bitcoin you can only make a profit in Bitcoin if you hold and wait for a price increase and sell them to make a profit. Trading is simple as buy low and then sell high. There is no ready profit when you buy bitcoin the profit depends on the price of Bitcoin we don't know if Bitcoin would increase in value in the future or not.

I think you are a little confused about investing and trading. Both are not the same. These two have two different sectors for bitcoin. Well, you are telling us that our goal is to profit no matter what. We are interested in trading, investment, and staking. In this case, yes, you are right. This is now a business for us. So we all want profit. Now I see you are confused about trading, investment, and staking. You thought all were just one thing. No, it's not like that. 
 
Trading: buy/sell again and again according to your choice in a short time. What you like.
 
Investment: Its quite like you just buy bitcoin and se after years. That is called investment. 
 
Staking: Staking is like locking your money with them and it will generate profit for you every single minute.
 
 

Normally, every trading involves risk, profit and lost is involved in any trading, because once someone is trading not only bitcoin but all coins, there is a tendency of getting profit or falling under lost. That's why is advisable to invest the amount you can afford loosing.

everything that is done, of course there must be consequences as well as when you are here in crypto the consequences are clear if you don't make a profit, you lose, apart from that there is no other reason because everything is clear there.
and a little extra I quote from @mk4 investing and trading are different things and while you are here you should be able to distinguish between these before diving too far into crypto.
how can you take your profits if you are still confused about the meaning of investing and trading, while these are the basic things that must be known before starting into techniques, analysis etc.

You need more study on how actually Bitcoin works. Just Google it "What is Bitcoin trading" and "What is Bitcoin investment". So you will get more idea of how trading and investment work as well. Any investment or trading isn't out of the risk. You might gain or lose we don't know. Because no one can give you perfect predictions about Bitcoin price.

By the way, I think this thread will more fit into the trading section rather than the Bitcoin discussion board. You can move it yourself from the lower left. Other moderators would move since I report it.

Trading and investment are very different, trading is when you convert from one form of money to another, a good example is converting bitcoin to fiat or converting fiat to bitcoin, or converting one crypto to another, like converting USDT to bitcoin.

If you are investing, you will buy bitcoin and leave it to increase in value over a long time like months to years.

Can you see how different both are.

Some people are traders, they convert from one coin to another in short time like hours to less than a day, but it can take two or there days too, this is what is called trading.

On general sense then trading is indeed investing since you are putting off your money to gain profits but somehow you do really need to make efforts or simply being active for you to make profits where

Unlike on doing investing on where you do simply hold and wait up for long term for your future gains to have.Of course everyone would really be needing skills and experience for them to sustain theirselves.

Trading does only have two outcomes whether you do profit or lose and this is where depending on how well you do play with the waves.

Anything that has risk, you've got to lose and profit and that's true.

And it's not only about making a gain but you have a basis and another reason why you're holding onto it. What I don't understand is the vulnerability that you're telling about its stakers?

What's with that? It must be the risk.

If you're holding your btc asset, then vulnerability of losing many times is a package of your investments.
That's proven so many times, and nobody who's in a business never experience losing because that's a part of the reality in life. Sometimes you're in a glorious days of your profit, there's also time for sad days which we need to learn how to manage emotions. Trading is all about how you make a stand on your principles, without that everything will not going to work even with huge capital.

You cant escape volatility neither you do hold or trade your assets specially into this market where prices do always move in a second depending on the demand or liquidity.

Trading does involve losing and profit and there are people who are really that risk-takers on making such step because they do saw the opportunities that they could get
if they had done it right.

When you decided to trade then be prepared on the risk.

From a strong intention and commitment... will produce good results, from a strong commitment of course we can knowing deeply everything related to trading, explore it and move better than before because from trading we cannot be separated from experience. Here we are like playing with risk, but the risk does not always threaten loss.

Yes that's the aim, to make more money or put yourself in a position where you become a large scale trader by saving the profits instead of cashing out.
Profits and loss is included because there is always risk in this industry. Don't confuse investing with trading, it will rekt you and that's base on experience.
Be wise and find your strength, where you are good at, time management. If you have time to learn more about trading then do so. But if you work full day for a company it will be difficult to maintain it and you would be better off investing.

Uhh Im just going to assume that what you mean is that investors entering the market to trade should be prepared to lose, and is always as such really, no matter the asset you're investing whether it be in stocks, crypto, heck, even information, human resources, businesses, etc. Investing in anything means that you can always lose out on it instead of profiting. Yes, gathering info and investing in proper ones could give you higher chances of profiting, but that's it, it isn't a guarantee, in the end it's still a "chance".

Got a little confused about the word stake but some users here tell that you might be referring to trader or investor. Yes, all investors know that there's a risk and he or she should be ready on what will happen that is why it is important that you should only invest what you can afford to lose not just in trading but in investment too. When you are going to invest to Bitcoin you should accept the fact that there's a big chance that you will lose your investment.

You can do Bitcoin trading to make a profit while investing in bitcoin have the same thing as trading, which is to make a profit. But in terms of investment, we do not have to follow the price movements, but we can leave the market until the price reaches our target price. Trading can be a short-term way to profit because we buy and sell the bitcoin to make a profit. But the investors can watch the price while they can do something else so they do not have to worry about the price.

Not only bitcoin, every asset trading or investing comes with risk or else everyone will become rich in the next few years. You should learn about economics then you may understand all these things.

something that usually happens in the market, where there are different points of view, maybe we can see sell with a certain time frame, and maybe other traders see buy with a certain time frame too, and their goal is to make a profit based on their respective analysis. therefore each trader will take different risks and targets. At the same time, there are those who lose and there are those who gain, I think this is the nature of the market

Trading and investing are two different terms, though used interchangeably often in this forum. Strictly speaking, traders points to those who are day trading. Hodlers mostly come under investors and so does those users who tend to for with altcoin presales hoping for a price rise to dump.

No idea what you meant by that. Staking is a different thing. You stake an asset in order to gain something. It is a type of investing but not commonly seen in bitcoin. Some companies might give you "passive income" for staking your coins with them. It is like giving them a loan.

Staking usually is profitable but the ROI might take a longer time. If you are not willing to invest, you can try it. Previously we have had casinos that allowed users to invest on their bankroll - not very common now.

But if you staking in some POS shitcoin, then I would not recommend it.

It's true that the nature of the market will always have profit and loss, it happens not only in Bitcoin trading, But in every trade there are always
profits and losses. Therefore we can experience profits or losses when trading Bitcoin, it must happen to everyone who trades Bitcoin. As long as
the amount of profit we get is greater than the loss, that we have included a successful trader. Because in every Bitcoin trade there is a possibility
that we will experience losses, but there is always a way to minimize the losses that we experience, and there is also a way to maximize the profits we get.

they're not the same mate, investment is holding and trading is buy low and sell high.. Perhaps yes both way is almost the same but you should know the difference, especially when it comes trading because the risk is higher than investment,  if i were make more research for more information, infact all the information can easily be seen in the internet. So don't hesitate to do such way always if you have more questions about such things..

Investing and trading are two different things. If it is said that trading will gain profits and losses, of course that is the case, so is investment. But the two things are still different. Back to the topic of trading, usually people will buy coins and then sell them by looking at the current market conditions, they must monitor market developments as often as possible so they are not left behind with golden moments. Trading can make a person experience profits and losses, so it is very important to do a market analysis before trading.

Actually you can find the difference on google and both are looking for profit, and the most striking difference lies in the time period needed and besides that the principles and strategies are also different and both are equally risky.
and investing in general are people who don't have time and don't want to worry too much about their portfolio and only buy bitcoin when the price is low and hold it for the long term, and trading usually involves buying and selling for a short time most importantly profit, and profit. what you get from investing and trading is clearly different, moreover investing will generate a bigger profit than trading, the most important thing is to be patient.

As long as they can research to find the coin, they will not lose the money because they only buy the right coin. But with the market situation now, it is not easy to buy the coin, even if you buy the top coins such as bitcoin, ethereum, bnb or else because the market price has now become unstable. But if you buy bitcoin, ethereum, or bnb for the investment, that can have a chance to give you a profit in the future. So maybe you can stick to bitcoin and only use the other coins for trade to make additional profit besides bitcoin.

you are definitely right

Investing is certainly a lot easier, I can vouch for that. I have been investing for a long time and I can say that it has been a good return for me. I have also traded as well and I can say that it is a lot of stress and a lot of emotions and a lot of studying just for an hour of trading. Obviously you should not be like that when trading and that causes people to lose money but at the same time not everyone can be like that so some people end up losing money while trading.

I prefer to be an investor, even though I still keep on trading that doesn't mean that I enjoy it, learned how to profit thankfully but still a quite tough task honestly.

For potential coins then its likely to happen but it wont really be giving out some assurance because this is something that includes risk and nothing cant really be predicted on what would happen ahead.
Trading is indeed having that two just outcomes whether you do profit or lose and thats why some people do decide to simply hold rather than on having active trades yet they cant really just afford
to deal with active moving prices or simply with volatility and this is why on the time you've decided to deal with trading then you should be at least aware of these things
rather than messing up directly because you didnt expect for these things to happen.

But the fact, they had totally different from each other, trading and investing isn't the same thing.

I prefer investing and hold it for a long time, something like waiting when my profit comes out and sell at my targeted profit which is if you will analyze, this is less risk compared to trading.  Which is in trading, you need to do a lot of homework, practicing fundamentals and technical analysis is usually what you can do in trading.  I consider the riskiest is in the trading while in investing, you can hold it for a long time and that is fine.

Since the crypto market is very volatile and has unpredictable prices, it is expected that there's a loss or win.

I consider the potential coin such as bitcoin, ethereum, and bnb can increase back after it is dropped, even if the price drops down deeper. We can see what happens to bitcoin, ethereum, and bnb and other potential coins. When bitcoin starts to rise, those coins rise along with bitcoin price, which makes people or traders profit after holding the coins for a while. They do not have to trade if they feel not confident and holding will be a good way to make a profit in the future.

It's not just about investing or trading, you should also consider to find what you are going to trade and always do your own research. Since we are in crypto market most people would suggest Bitcoin since this is the father of all crypto currency that existed these days. Although, it's best if you trade it if you have an experience in trading you might as well gain more profit than any usual traders but the volatility of Bitcoin is different than the others. You can try to invest or trade in altcoins too, there are top altcoins that might intrigued your interest.

Investment strategy and holding it is a good strategy and can be applied by anyone, holding on for a long time until the target is achieved is also not easy, it takes a strong mentality and sufficient capital. Because if you only have a little capital then it is not worth a long-term investment.
Although investing long term you also need to learn technical analysis and fundamentals, because it is very important. You must be able to read the direction of the market. if only based on other people's words you will not be able to trade well.

A must thing to be done because you are doing some investment then its just normal that you would really make out  some research because we arent here to gamble out our money but we're here to make out some profits.

Of course this market do involves profit and losing which you should make yourself aware about those probabilities rather than expecting that much that you could make easy money.

And this is where experience and skills would really be honed up as you do go ahead.This is something that you could make a good grasp in a short time.