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Title: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: paxmao on September 14, 2021, 11:17:51 PM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Hydrogen on September 14, 2021, 11:55:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGkpzt49aP4
Behind the Fed's Curtain, Something BIG is Brewing.

There's a crazy chart I saw in the background of that youtube clip that shows the extraordinary degree to which the US money supply is being inflated post 2020.

https://i.ibb.co/xjZFXxg/inflation-2021.jpg

I guess this is what a Joe Biden economy looks like.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 15, 2021, 12:20:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGkpzt49aP4
Behind the Fed's Curtain, Something BIG is Brewing.
I'll take a look at that video, but I have to say....it's made by Mike Maloney of GoldSilver (https://goldsilver.com/) (external link there), who's trying to sell you gold and silver.  And what do those folks always say?  Well, just look at all the articles linked to on coinflation.com.  They all basically say the same thing, and they're the same articles from 1, 3, 5, 10 years ago, just rewritten over and over.  The economy is in trouble; the dollar is backed by nothing; where's all the gold in the Fed's vault?; silver is going to $100/Oz., etc., etc.

So take that with a mountain of NaCl.

I guess this is what a Joe Biden economy looks like.
I am no fan of Biden, but he didn't start this mess.  Not that he's doing a damn thing to help it, but the problem was there well before he was even a presidential candidate. 

And yeah, inflation is ramping up and I'm afraid of where it's headed.  Hopefully wages keep pace with it, and hopefully the USD doesn't hyperinflate.  That's a lot of hope there.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Poker Player on September 15, 2021, 03:41:54 AM
I'll take a look at that video, but I have to say....it's made by Mike Maloney of GoldSilver (https://goldsilver.com/) (external link there), who's trying to sell you gold and silver.  And what do those folks always say?  Well, just look at all the articles linked to on coinflation.com.  They all basically say the same thing, and they're the same articles from 1, 3, 5, 10 years ago, just rewritten over and over. 

Yes, but the problem for the last year and a half is the acceleration in money printing, which is what is reflected in the graph shared by Hydrogen. Even the rise of the S&P 500 over the last 18 months has a lot to do with the massive printing of money, apart from corporate profits. If you look at a graph of countries with hyperinflation such as Venezuela or Zimbabwe, you will see that the stock market rises by a huge amount but this is due to the devaluation of the currency and that the devalued currency has to be put into assets to protect the value, and not to the evolution of the business and the profit of the companies.



Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Coyster on September 15, 2021, 05:28:22 AM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid.
Well, in my candid opinion the money printing which happened during the heat of the pandemic was a sort of 'necessary evil' and tbh I don't blame most governments for that move, even though it was not a wise one, but they were afforded only very few options. People could not go to work, many who couldn't work from home were more or less not earning, I feel the government needed to do something to support people and to stimulate the economy back to work by putting money into people's hands. It's a move that has and will still cause high levels of inflation, but at that time I consider it something that was necessary, what the government need to do now is to map out measures to tackle inflation or at least reduce it to a minimal level.

Having said that, some economies were in a bad shape and were struggling with inflation even before the pandemic, the pandemic only made things worse which all of us can understand, I believe countries with a stronger economy before the pandemic would not slip totally into hyperinflation, they will still fight their way out of it, cause in my opinion a pretty bad economy pre pandemic would only get worse now the pandemic is to an extent being brought under control, whilst a viable economy before the pandemic would struggle, but will bounce back up quicker than others.
This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
I don't know if it's good news for Bitcoin enthusiasts, cause we all reside in one country or the other, Bitcoin is not at mainstream adoption yet, meaning fiat remains the most popular method of payment for most of us, if hyperinflation is the case in the country we reside in, then the cost of living goes high, prices of goods skyrockets, fiat currency gets devalued, thus whenever we exchange our Bitcoin back to fiat for one reason or the other, it affects us.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Charles-Tim on September 15, 2021, 07:46:32 AM
This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
This is not wrong, bitcoin is still highly speculative, young and appreciate over time after series of volatility, but there will be price valuation over time, the best is to just hold bitcoin which has limited supply. Unlike fiat, the government control the price, the control is always in the depreciative direction, but what most contry suffer is the negative effect of covid-19 which is resulting to inflation, but bitcoin even increased during the pandemic. More money printing will lead to devaluation.

I don't know if it's good news for Bitcoin enthusiasts, cause we all reside in one country or the other, Bitcoin is not at mainstream adoption yet, meaning fiat remains the most popular method of payment for most of us, if hyperinflation is the case in the country we reside in, then the cost of living goes high, prices of goods skyrockets, fiat currency gets devalued, thus whenever we exchange our Bitcoin back to fiat for one reason or the other, it affects us.
It is actually a good news for Bitcoin enthusiasts in this regard, bitcoin can easily be converted to with fiat, also bitcoin can be converted to fiat when needed fiat, the last thing I can never do is to hold my country's fiat which is even more depreciative than USD, I only have the ones I want to spend monthly with me. So if my country fiat has depreciated which is always the case, I gained when I am converting bitcoin to fiat.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on September 15, 2021, 08:12:37 AM
It does give good prospects but at the same time, the people that don't have any bitcoin will be suffering from this high inflation, they don't have any shield from inflation so that's to be expected when this kind of thing happens, I guess not everyone will be able to benefit from all of this.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: paxmao on September 15, 2021, 09:13:38 AM
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I guess this is what a Joe Biden economy looks like.

All that money printing has been done to avoid the worse effects of COVID and it has happened in US, Europe, Japan,... so it does not seem related to an specific party. It is true however that JB has approved a quite large stimulus bill for the US economy which appears greater than the financing that the EU has put in place, but you should weight the consequences of not doing so - basically a crisis similar to the great depression of 1929 in which farmers and people in general were left helpless and only ended upon a government initiative.

There is a reason for doing this and as a side effect, it is good for us hodlers.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Lucius on September 15, 2021, 09:53:17 AM
I can only say that I already feel inflation on my skin, I notice every day that prices are going up, and that new prices are being announced when it comes to gas, water, electricity, but also food. Of course, the pandemic and all the measures taken in this regard are the main cause, but the major climate changes that have caused reduced food production around the world should also be taken into account.

I agree with those who say that the governments of the most powerful countries did not have a choice about the measures they took, even though they know that this is not a good solution. I also think that the world is generally in a much worse situation than they want to admit, but panic is not in anyone's interest, so it is better that we all pretend that more or less everything is fine.

Bitcoin may be a good hedge against inflation, but one should never forget how volatile it is.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: bitmover on September 15, 2021, 10:42:24 AM
I can only say that I already feel inflation on my skin, I notice every day that prices are going up, and that new prices are being announced when it comes to gas, water, electricity, but also food. Of course, the pandemic and all the measures taken in this regard are the main cause, but the major climate changes that have caused reduced food production around the world should also be taken into account.

But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!

Inflation is here. Just take a look at this statista chart:

https://i.imgur.com/AIHptC6.png

Inflation is climbing up, and you can see inflation is above 5% YoY for 3 months already!! This is a bit alarming imo. Inflation are basically taxes, and the population is going to pay for that.

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Bitcoin may be a good hedge against inflation, but one should never forget how volatile it is.

I agree. Bitcoin shouldn't be your first line of defense against inflation. I believe stocks (ETF) and REITS and gold are more suitable for that.

 Bitcoin is important to defend yourself against hyperinflation, and it is an easy choice in countries like Brazil or some other in Latin America, where we have 5-10% inflation per year since forever.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: el kaka22 on September 16, 2021, 04:08:52 PM
Inflation has always been there, it will not get any better neither. It is number two reason for me to go into crypto, after the fact that I just disliked banks so much that I wanted to find a way to live without banks. Obviously I still have to end up using banks because I can't pay everything with crypto, but that doesn't change the fact that at least we are on that path. Inflation is the reason why people are not doing fine, salaries do not go up as high as inflation does in most nations.

Plus, when you hear about stats on inflation realize that there are many people who are paid to do those calculations which means that governments could very well made them to say a lower amount than what it really is. At the end of the day what they say 2% could be 4%, consider it that way. I personally feel the huge inflation in my nation and how hard my life becomes because of it.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Sterbens on September 16, 2021, 08:38:29 PM
Let's compile how much inflation data is currently a threat to every country, be it the US, UK, and European Union countries which are being hit by anxiety from the impact of changes after the Covid 19 pandemic.

Starting from the International monetary fund of 0.7% to 2.4% in 2021 (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/PRC_HICP_AIND/default/table?lang=en) . Some countries such as Spain  (July 2021: 1.00% - 4.65%) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx), Belgium (August 2021: 0.52% - 2.73%) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx),
 Germany (August 2021 : 0.00% - 3.87%) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx), Slovenia (August 2021: 0.09% - 2.11%) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx), Finland (August 2021: 0.24% - 2.17%) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx),  Sweden (August 2021: 0.51% - 2.05%) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx),  Czech (August 2021 : 0.69 % - 4.09 %) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx),  Luxembourg (August 2021: 0.97% - 2.46 %) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx),  Poland (July 2021: 0.43% - 4.85%) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx),  Hungary (August 2021: 0.19% - 4.88%) (https://www.inflation.eu/en/inflation-rates/cpi-inflation.aspx), as well as other countries showing fears of going mad Rising inflation.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Hydrogen on September 16, 2021, 11:38:40 PM
I'll take a look at that video, but I have to say....it's made by Mike Maloney of GoldSilver (https://goldsilver.com/) (external link there), who's trying to sell you gold and silver.  And what do those folks always say?  Well, just look at all the articles linked to on coinflation.com.  They all basically say the same thing, and they're the same articles from 1, 3, 5, 10 years ago, just rewritten over and over.  The economy is in trouble; the dollar is backed by nothing; where's all the gold in the Fed's vault?; silver is going to $100/Oz., etc., etc.

So take that with a mountain of NaCl.


Most "approved" media sources are owned and funded by a tiny sliver of corporations. They're more biased, agenda pushing and unreliable than Mike Maloney Gold & Silver. Many youtubers and anonymous bloggers offer more independent and objective coverage of news and current events than big media enterprise.

I've followed Mike Maloney for years. I've watched his videos, analysis and breakdowns for years. His content has always been great. Despite being known for being into precious metals he doesn't push an agenda or narrative that aligns with his own self interests.


I am no fan of Biden, but he didn't start this mess.  Not that he's doing a damn thing to help it, but the problem was there well before he was even a presidential candidate.  

And yeah, inflation is ramping up and I'm afraid of where it's headed.  Hopefully wages keep pace with it, and hopefully the USD doesn't hyperinflate.  That's a lot of hope there.


If its not being caused by Biden's administration. What is causing it? Biden may have increased the US deficit by upwards of $10 trillion in less than 1 year. But its not his fault. Biden shut down the keystone pipeline which drastically increased oil and gasoline prices in the country. But its not his fault. The afghanistan withdrawal was exceedingly poorly handled. But its not Biden's fault.

Notice a pattern forming. I would be very interested to know why none of the specific actions Biden has taken which have had very negative consequences for the world, are not his responsibility.

I remember a time when the deficit increased $1 trillion when Trump in office and the media was crying about the deficit rising, saying Trump was the worst President ever.

Now Biden is introducing $2 trillion and $3 trillion dollar "infrastructure" spending bills, which would increase the deficit more than 5 times the amount it rose when Trump was President. And suddenly no one cares about the deficit anymore. The deficit is no longer a topic worth discussing when Biden is President.

Then of course, even if people are made aware of the facts, they turn a blind eye and pretend they don't exist. Facts, science and truth are completely irrelevant to most in this day and age. All that matters is being trendy and repeating the same headlines as the trendy people on social media and TV.

Trendiness is a prime directive of utmost importance. While legit science, knowledge and facts are deemed utterly irrelevant. This could be the real cause behind the majority of our negative societal and economic trends.

Looking around it seems far more important to repeat trendy headlines, than it does for people to be knowledgeable or accurate on critical topics that affect the lives of billions worldwide. The end result of this trend will be horrible for all of us, if it doesn't change.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Gyfts on September 17, 2021, 12:07:47 AM
I am no fan of Biden, but he didn't start this mess.  Not that he's doing a damn thing to help it, but the problem was there well before he was even a presidential candidate. 

And yeah, inflation is ramping up and I'm afraid of where it's headed.  Hopefully wages keep pace with it, and hopefully the USD doesn't hyperinflate.  That's a lot of hope there.


Joe Biden was behind extending unemployment benefits until Sept. 2021, which means for over a year people got paid to stay at home and do nothing. That includes a time where vaccines were widely available.

He's already spent 1.25 trillion this year, and is proposing another 3.5 trillion in nonsense spending.

At some point, you cannot keep increasing the money supply. The federal reserve is responsible for a lot of this, because their quotative easing strategy involves taking on more securities than they can chew, hence increasing the money supply, but it's also compounded by Biden and his trash heap policies.

I don't really mind, as USD failing would also fail all the other currencies that depend on USD, increasing BTC's price - but the US could also try to prop up a failing USD by implementing crypto regulations, so USD's implosion isn't without risk.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: hello_good_sir on September 17, 2021, 12:18:27 AM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!

Yeah definitely.

This is exactly the situation that bitcoin has built for. With a limited supply and no association to the fiat economy, it is certainly the perfect hedge against fiat inflation/debasement.

A lot of people still think that gold will be the standard for store of values going forward. Gold bugs have generated negative real returns for the past 4 decades or so - and BTC is clearly the better alternative.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: jseverson on September 17, 2021, 02:26:23 AM
-snip-

I would like to point out that inflation fell to 5.3% this August (https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi)...which isn't much better, but could be a sign that things aren't as gloomy and doomy as one would think.

I do agree that the aggressive fiat printing plays a part, but it feels like it's more of a byproduct of people being able to go out and spend again, with supply still lagging behind. Things are expected to go back to normal as unemployment goes back to normal (which in turn lets supply chains go back to normal capacity), and while that may take a good while I honestly don't believe that the US is in any risk of going into hyperinflation. The money printing is likely a different issue altogether, and we'll probably feel that in a different way down the road.

But yeah, regardless of which side of the fence you're on, diversifying is never a bad thing, and Bitcoin has proven to be a strong option.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Darker45 on September 17, 2021, 03:46:18 AM
And the sad part is that COVID-19 is not yet over. We are about to enter the year 2022 and yet the same pandemic that started in 2019, hence the name, is still here and might still be around in the next year or two. And for as long as the pandemic is still infecting hundreds of thousands of people every day, the economy would remain crippled. It cannot yet start its full recovery until the pandemic is gone. So money printing out of thin air is still needed. Above-target inflation might remain to be a problem in the next few years. The relevance of Bitcoin is getting more and more obvious.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: amishmanish on September 17, 2021, 05:50:25 AM
I am no fan of Biden, but he didn't start this mess.  Not that he's doing a damn thing to help it, but the problem was there well before he was even a presidential candidate. 

And yeah, inflation is ramping up and I'm afraid of where it's headed.  Hopefully wages keep pace with it, and hopefully the USD doesn't hyperinflate.  That's a lot of hope there.


Joe Biden was behind extending unemployment benefits until Sept. 2021, which means for over a year people got paid to stay at home and do nothing. That includes a time where vaccines were widely available.

He's already spent 1.25 trillion this year, and is proposing another 3.5 trillion in nonsense spending.

This is difficult to accept but quite right. The Democrats wanted to appear so distant to anything that Trump supported that they took an overly coddled view on lockdowns and the need for supporting people. In a lot of other countries, life slowly hobbled back as people took precautions and tried to solve COVID within communities and families. The US welfare state made it a country-wide problem even when it was not, just to appear to be "correcting" Trump's wrongs.

This lack of balanced approach means that the money printing was far beyond what would have been prudent. Now you never know that whether this was a mistake or an intentional action. US governments have used wars as excuse to raise money, maybe this time it was the pandemic. What is quite clear is that with all that money, almost every economy in the world has an influx of investment money looking for returns. If the economies can continue to perform, that money will be well spent and certain parts of the world as well as parts of the US may receive benefits. But can you defy the economic cycle set into motion with high inflation?

You probably can. High inflation is generally a push for investments. US has led the world into most of the technological revolutions, which have inevitably been money-fuelled. With the shift towards Electric, Automation, Space (even Mars exploration), this can well again be a time of high growth for the world's largest economy.

For once, i wish that Americans would stop being the bickering pussies they have become since 9/11. Its like these little effeminate kids bickering about Al-qaeda, bickering about their leaders, bickering about China and never really being able to come together to show the character they showed at the times of WW-II, Apollo missions and the computer revolution. From being inventors, explorers and go-getters, they have turned into these little bunch of teenagers stuck between old men like Biden and Trump. For the sake of everyone, Americans really should stop throwing airs and heroic CGIs in the form of DC/ Marvel universe and actually go back to figure out what actually made that country great. And make no mistakes, the USA IS a great nation. Its just that it has never had so many bickering pussies calling the shots at the same time. Blame youtube, facebook or whatever, but those people really need to dig deep and find their ideals back. Or else be pushed back to the status of being the largest producers of porn and stupid Tiktoks on Chinese apps.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Kittygalore on September 17, 2021, 06:52:36 AM
If you don't have any crypto though, and a substantial or considerable amount in that case, you're fucked because if inflation goes up and you still have fiat, you're money will have lesser purchasing power and remember that they're still fighting over increase in wages there and so far the pro increase wages is losing their foothold.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Coyster on September 17, 2021, 07:12:49 AM
I don't know if it's good news for Bitcoin enthusiasts, cause we all reside in one country or the other, Bitcoin is not at mainstream adoption yet, meaning fiat remains the most popular method of payment for most of us, if hyperinflation is the case in the country we reside in, then the cost of living goes high, prices of goods skyrockets, fiat currency gets devalued, thus whenever we exchange our Bitcoin back to fiat for one reason or the other, it affects us.
It is actually a good news for Bitcoin enthusiasts in this regard, bitcoin can easily be converted to with fiat, also bitcoin can be converted to fiat when needed fiat, the last thing I can never do is to hold my country's fiat which is even more depreciative than USD, I only have the ones I want to spend monthly with me. So if my country fiat has depreciated which is always the case, I gained when I am converting bitcoin to fiat.
My point is not that Bitcoin isn't a good hedge to fiat especially when it's facing serious inflation like it is now in most countries of the world, what I'm saying is, generally Inflation is not a good thing for us, even if we're Bitcoin enthusiasts/users, you wouldn't want your country's fiat currency to face hyperinflation, why because you'll still have to buy things with fiat even if you hold in Bitcoin, you'll convert back to fiat every now and then and would have to spend your funds, thus if prices of commodities are then high, you'll also still bear the brunt of it no matter how much gain you made hodling, a much better economic condition is even best for Bitcoin in my opinion.
If you don't have any crypto though, and a substantial or considerable amount in that case, you're fucked because if inflation goes up and you still have fiat, you're money will have lesser purchasing power and remember that they're still fighting over increase in wages there and so far the pro increase wages is losing their foothold.
We must not make people feel this way, I think with or without Bitcoin people will survive, Bitcoin is great in retaining the value of peoples funds, but there is quite a lot of problems in the world atm, with unemployment and all, this somewhat doesn't afford people the opportunity to think about Bitcoin or any other investment option for that matter. It's just like people who have the desire to start one business or the other, but lack the necessary capital to do so, if government can solve the problem of unemployment and tackle inflation, then people can prolly have enough to sort out their basic needs and still have that extra on top of it for Bitcoin or any other investment of their choice.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Leviathan.007 on September 17, 2021, 07:56:45 AM
The inflation rate is actually not just rising in the US but it rising all over the world normally and due to the pandemic it's rising even, but comparing to the other developed countries the US is suffering more from it. As the inflation rate rises in the US the USD is becoming more invaluable, the other assets will gain more value over time, bitcoin is one of them, and due to the base of bitcoin and the market situation and the huge demand after spreading the word of bitcoin that's completely normal to see more demand and the price will rise as the result.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: kryptqnick on September 17, 2021, 08:04:20 AM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
A couple of years ago I thought the dollar would collapse as a currency sometime in 2020-2021 (the world economic crisis was predicted to hit around 2020 even before Covid), and I thought that this would be the moment everything changes for cryptos because if the dollar falls, there's a good chance fiat will be discredited and people will want anything that would protect against printing money. Obviously, this didn't happen, but the inflation is on the rise, and I believe cryptos are gaining some ground because of this. But 5% isn't enough to alarm most people so much that they'd turn to something as highly volatile as Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Victorycoin on September 17, 2021, 08:20:03 AM
It offers a lot of good prospects but is a threat to other countries inflation lowers their country's economy a lot inflation on bitcoin is good for the united states, the fed's monetary policy goals include medium to long term interest rates price stability and maximum employment and each of these goals is aimed at promoting a stable financial environment. The federal reserve clearly communicates with the long term inflation target to maintain a stable long term rate of inflation which in turn maintains price stability.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: stompix on September 17, 2021, 01:26:30 PM
Well, just look at all the articles linked to on coinflation.com.  They all basically say the same thing, and they're the same articles from 1, 3, 5, 10 years ago, just rewritten over and over.  The economy is in trouble; the dollar is backed by nothing; where's all the gold in the Fed's vault?; silver is going to $100/Oz., etc., etc.

Zerohedge style, next year we're supposed to have the 69th crisis,  market crash, real estate bubble burst, and fall of the fiat system. I don't know why I'm confident 2031 will be the same, and the same actors will predict the same about 2032.

I am no fan of Biden, but he didn't start this mess.  Not that he's doing a damn thing to help it, but the problem was there well before he was even a presidential candidate.

He extended payments for people doing nothing, rather than changing the program to help those who truly need it. He blocked Keystone which would have erased growing oil prices, he is trying to cut the shale gas sector from financing and imposing a tax on them, driving prices higher, he is surrounded by people who think that everyone deserves everything without having to work.

They are all about taxing the people who work and giving all the money for free to those who don't, printing money as it's obvious you can't get 10 kilos of gold even if you kill a 5kg golden goose, and all the way talking about social and racial and sexual justice as the most important thing right now in the states is where a guy that was born female who now thinks he's a gay trapped in a lesbian body should pee.  The fleeing of companies from California to Texas should be enough to tell those people what taxes and regulations do to an economy, but nobody on their side will acknowledge they got it wrong.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/12/AbNuI.png

But on the bright side (for us) I think this time the US crisis will not manage to draw Europe into one as it did a decade ago, so, you're digging your grave alone now, we're just building innocent sand castles compared to the US.

Also, interesting, Japan finally will manage to score 2%! inflation (https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/Interview/Monetary-easing-to-continue-after-COVID-BOJ-Gov.-Kuroda) with the growing prices but they will achieve this target (yes, they are trying to have inflation) only in 2023 or 2024!


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Gyfts on September 17, 2021, 03:53:35 PM
This lack of balanced approach means that the money printing was far beyond what would have been prudent. Now you never know that whether this was a mistake or an intentional action. US governments have used wars as excuse to raise money, maybe this time it was the pandemic. What is quite clear is that with all that money, almost every economy in the world has an influx of investment money looking for returns. If the economies can continue to perform, that money will be well spent and certain parts of the world as well as parts of the US may receive benefits. But can you defy the economic cycle set into motion with high inflation?

My general philosophy is that never attribute malice where incompetency will suffice. It's entirely possible that politicians are dumb enough to wreck their own economy, or is it is possible they are using the economy to fatten their own wallets.

After all, when the US economy was shut down, and small businesses closed, large international corps like Amazon thrived, their stock skyrocketed. Wonder how many US politicians are shareholders of Amazon?

They never have to face the brunt of their actions, they just profit from their disastrous decision making while ordinary Americans suffer the consequences.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Sterbens on September 17, 2021, 07:27:44 PM
I am no fan of Biden, but he didn't start this mess.  Not that he's doing a damn thing to help it, but the problem was there well before he was even a presidential candidate. 

And yeah, inflation is ramping up and I'm afraid of where it's headed.  Hopefully wages keep pace with it, and hopefully the USD doesn't hyperinflate.  That's a lot of hope there.


Joe Biden was behind extending unemployment benefits until Sept. 2021, which means for over a year people got paid to stay at home and do nothing. That includes a time where vaccines were widely available.

He's already spent 1.25 trillion this year, and is proposing another 3.5 trillion in nonsense spending.

This is difficult to accept but quite right. The Democrats wanted to appear so distant to anything that Trump supported that they took an overly coddled view on lockdowns and the need for supporting people. In a lot of other countries, life slowly hobbled back as people took precautions and tried to solve COVID within communities and families. The US welfare state made it a country-wide problem even when it was not, just to appear to be "correcting" Trump's wrongs.

This lack of balanced approach means that the money printing was far beyond what would have been prudent. Now you never know that whether this was a mistake or an intentional action. US governments have used wars as excuse to raise money, maybe this time it was the pandemic. What is quite clear is that with all that money, almost every economy in the world has an influx of investment money looking for returns. If the economies can continue to perform, that money will be well spent and certain parts of the world as well as parts of the US may receive benefits. But can you defy the economic cycle set into motion with high inflation?

You probably can. High inflation is generally a push for investments. US has led the world into most of the technological revolutions, which have inevitably been money-fuelled. With the shift towards Electric, Automation, Space (even Mars exploration), this can well again be a time of high growth for the world's largest economy.

For once, i wish that Americans would stop being the bickering pussies they have become since 9/11. Its like these little effeminate kids bickering about Al-qaeda, bickering about their leaders, bickering about China and never really being able to come together to show the character they showed at the times of WW-II, Apollo missions and the computer revolution. From being inventors, explorers and go-getters, they have turned into these little bunch of teenagers stuck between old men like Biden and Trump. For the sake of everyone, Americans really should stop throwing airs and heroic CGIs in the form of DC/ Marvel universe and actually go back to figure out what actually made that country great. And make no mistakes, the USA IS a great nation. Its just that it has never had so many bickering pussies calling the shots at the same time. Blame youtube, facebook or whatever, but those people really need to dig deep and find their ideals back. Or else be pushed back to the status of being the largest producers of porn and stupid Tiktoks on Chinese apps.

Thank you for representing my thoughts with the words you gave. Well, this is how we are as one of the people who in the end are only struggling to be able to rise from the severity of the lockdown that has used all private land in order to survive. there is no solution that the higher-ups really offer other than a promotional offer from the drug business.

We pay for every stage 1 to stage 3 vaccination without exception with ongoing support. Never felt that this would be finished until the end of the year. We want all access to open immediately, we are at rock bottom and can't do much more than save families into isolation shelters.

The crisis is actually on the people, not on inflation, nor is it a loss for the high-ranking officials who manage the country. We are only victims of the ferocity of the rules which only make excuses for the sake of security and economic stability.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Silberman on September 17, 2021, 07:30:58 PM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
Unfortunately many people do not know what is happening, we can put it into precise words and terms but most people cannot do that, they can tell there is something wrong since everything is getting more expensive but they cannot put their finger on what is wrong, and while I am not worried as I know this works in our favor it seems that we will finally get to see the crisis that will put at risk the fiat system currently in place, but this will bring a lot of suffering as most people have no savings at all and the few that have them have those savings on fiat and they are about to lose all of those years of effort.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Desmong on September 17, 2021, 07:49:38 PM
Bitcoin has a big advantage when there is economy meltdown. Many leading country have start having one or two problem with inflation and deflation make the economy move from a start of stable flow of money to hardship where to buy things will require more money making it hard for the masses to move on the state of the economy.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Sithara007 on September 18, 2021, 04:18:17 AM
Unfortunately many people do not know what is happening, we can put it into precise words and terms but most people cannot do that, they can tell there is something wrong since everything is getting more expensive but they cannot put their finger on what is wrong, and while I am not worried as I know this works in our favor it seems that we will finally get to see the crisis that will put at risk the fiat system currently in place, but this will bring a lot of suffering as most people have no savings at all and the few that have them have those savings on fiat and they are about to lose all of those years of effort.

There are both positive and negative sides (although as far as inflation is considered, the negatives will have a greater impact when compared to the positives). For those with no savings, they don't have to worry. Only if they have savings, they need to worry that the purchasing power of their assets will go down. If someone leads a hand to mouth existence, then he doesn't need to worry much about inflation. Because in most cases, the salaries will go up along with inflation (ideally). For the middle-class, it's bad though. They need to invest in assets that are protected against inflation to some degree.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: amishmanish on September 18, 2021, 04:36:07 AM
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The crisis is actually on the people, not on inflation, nor is it a loss for the high-ranking officials who manage the country. We are only victims of the ferocity of the rules which only make excuses for the sake of security and economic stability.
Correct. Its the people who bear the brunt of inflation the most. Politicians, businessmen, officials, they all take it as part of their journey but the wage earners have to struggle with deprecation of the value of their assets while stock prices continue to rise. This is one of the reasons though that in a capitalist setup, you must be part of the market by owning balanced stock and equities.

All of that money eventually finds its way to the market and if you have a stake in it, however minor, it'll go up over time. Investment and financial access remains the only way for people to safeguard themselves in the long term. This is one of the reasons that I find Bitcoin and crypto to be a good thing. Learning about these gives you unhindered access to knowledge and information. Though this may soon change with whatever plans SEC seems to have.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: jaysabi on September 18, 2021, 07:37:21 AM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!

How does it affect bitcoin at all when bitcoin's volatility is several hundred times higher than the USD over any stretch of time?  I don't see the inflation rate in the US affecting bitcoin at all until such time bitcoin can actually hold value more predictably than the USD, and there's currently nothing in the history of either bitcoin or the USD that suggests this will ever happen in our lifetimes. 


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: oHnK on September 18, 2021, 05:54:30 PM

How does it affect bitcoin at all when bitcoin's volatility is several hundred times higher than the USD over any stretch of time?  I don't see the inflation rate in the US affecting bitcoin at all until such time bitcoin can actually hold value more predictably than the USD,

Maybe it will be too subjective if I still think that US inflation will affect BTC, because if people understand how the current monetary system is believed to have burdened them, especially those who have large amounts of savings in Fiat.  If they realize that there is no point in collecting and holding fiat for a long time for saving.  The time value of money that continues to fall will be less valuable than the highly volatile BTC.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: RealMalatesta on September 18, 2021, 06:40:35 PM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
As long as we end up with something profitable in the long run, I do not care about inflation because I am in the crypto world. If we have inflation that devalues fiat BUT crypto goes down as well then it is a horrible feeling, yet if inflation devalues fiat yet we still earn even more from crypto than I am fine.

Interestingly I have been earning much more recently so I do not feel the pain of inflation at all, which is why I am quite happy to be in the crypto world. Let's just focus on what we can do with crypto and how we can improve and all those layer twos and threes and all that, and even get those first layers like ETH to grow bigger and faster and better, then we can be fine and inflation can't hurt us.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Fortify on September 18, 2021, 07:02:11 PM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!

Everyone should be wary about gloating at higher inflation in other assets and currencies, because Bitcoin might not be the golden bullet that everyone thinks it is. What really happens when inflation starts creeping up? Peoples salaries cannot keep up with the increases of pricing of products or even housing around them. What does that cause them to do? Reign in spending and recall the money that they have invested in things like stocks/cryptocurrency/gold so they can actually survive with their spending. Then we slowly move into a recession and the effect keeps on multiplying which is why central banks were printing so much money to start with - trying to stabilize the economy from the last recession. It is a double edged sword, so be careful what you wish for as it might have unforeseen ramifications.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: teosanru on September 18, 2021, 07:05:20 PM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
High inflation cycles followed by lower inflation cycles have really been a common part of our overall fiat inflation trajectory, obviously, inflation is imminent for Economic growth in fiat economy and it's obviously never going away no matter what. Also printing in COVID Times is really tough for the government but a necessity, while some people even on the forum shout that they should get a COVID stimulus from the government but when it comes to money printing they hate inflation, this is the very basic economics, if you want more money and pay fewer taxes the only resort is to print more money.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Kyraishi on September 18, 2021, 09:29:26 PM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!

Yeah, for sure.

I'm very skeptical of Powell's sentiment that this inflation is going to be "transitory" in nature.

Until the Fed turns to tightening their monetary stance there is really going to be no chance of a recovery in the short term, in my opinion. Inflation is going to remain high at the 5-6% p.a. figure and speculative assets are going to trump other real assets.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: semobo on September 19, 2021, 06:58:20 AM

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
Inflation acts as a catalyst to bring the bullish movement whenever the price is about to fall, keep HODLing will give more profits to the individuals which is enough for them to survive but not going to help the economy of a country much so people have to save themselves from the crisis if they want to survive.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: jostorres on September 19, 2021, 09:03:17 AM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
This is for those who are still looking for the need to invest in Bitcoin. Is very bad that some people never know the importance of investing their money in assets like this. Times like this will always prove it to them that they are meant to be investing their money and not just keep on holding only Fiat. I have had a lot of experience like this, and that’s why I don’t really miss my chances of investing my money. I have been investing in Bitcoin for a very long time now, and apart from Bitcoin I have started to spread out into other types of investments and it has really helped me in times like this when fiat is losing its value.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Haunebu on September 19, 2021, 09:33:47 AM
This particular factor has helped popular cryptocurrencies like BTC soar over the years and this fact won't change in the future either, but it is a minor contributor in my opinion.

The major contributors in this context are supply and demand, government regulations etc.

it has really helped me in times like this when fiat is losing its value.
I disagree. FIAT will never lose its value. These currencies are more reliable and less volatile when compared to cryptocurrencies like BTC etc. This is a fact and will most likely never change due to our dependence on them.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: bryant.coleman on September 19, 2021, 01:12:05 PM
How does it affect bitcoin at all when bitcoin's volatility is several hundred times higher than the USD over any stretch of time?  I don't see the inflation rate in the US affecting bitcoin at all until such time bitcoin can actually hold value more predictably than the USD, and there's currently nothing in the history of either bitcoin or the USD that suggests this will ever happen in our lifetimes. 

There is no requirement that an asset that is used as a store of value should be having stable exchange rate. The current exchange rate of Bitcoin is higher than what it had, anytime from 2009 to 2020. That means that anyone, who used Bitcoin as a store of value for at least 12 months ultimately benefited from it. But then if you are going for short durations, like a few weeks or even months, then gold or some other fiat such as the Swiss Franc may offer a better alternative. But for such short durations, you don't need to worry about the fiat inflation as well.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Viscore on September 19, 2021, 02:38:06 PM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!
This is for those who are still looking for the need to invest in Bitcoin. Is very bad that some people never know the importance of investing their money in assets like this. Times like this will always prove it to them that they are meant to be investing their money and not just keep on holding only Fiat. I have had a lot of experience like this, and that’s why I don’t really miss my chances of investing my money. I have been investing in Bitcoin for a very long time now, and apart from Bitcoin I have started to spread out into other types of investments and it has really helped me in times like this when fiat is losing its value.
Hyperinflation is no good at all as it will leave fiat continue to depreciate in value. And when it happens, the whole citizens in a single country will definitely be affected. Even if you are the wealthiest person, i know it will still be alarming to you. So how much more with those middle class?

Bitcoin is probably the perfect solution for this. You will never be experiencing the high inflation anymore if you start investing in bitcoin and even use it as a currency. That is why if an individual wants to escape from high rate of inflation, he is most likely to invest in bitcoin and when he is making profits, if he convert it to fiat, the value will be a lot huge. Totally different if you focus investing in fiat.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: fiulpro on September 20, 2021, 04:09:00 PM
I was aware that after all the money printing and giveaways during the COVID was just delaying the payment of the crisis ´till a moment in which the economy could possibly take better care of it. However, it was certain that the true cost of the crisis was not being paid. But here is the bill: Soaring inflation, happily accepted by governments in Europe and mainly in US: 5% YoY in August.

This is bad news for most, however it is good news for bitcoin that benefits from inflation and loose financial policies. Keep hodling!


Not just soring inflation but at the same time the taxes are immeasurably high, the people in healthcare and even the teachers are trying really hard to take care of things as well. 

The government is trying to make sure the government is stable and not the people.

Jobs are few and the middle class is suffering. The fact is people are getting vaccinated, therefore the jobs are going to be on the line soon but one has the realize that things are going to be alright only when the government supports people and stop trying to take money out of people.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: Silberman on September 20, 2021, 05:57:06 PM
Bitcoin has a big advantage when there is economy meltdown. Many leading country have start having one or two problem with inflation and deflation make the economy move from a start of stable flow of money to hardship where to buy things will require more money making it hard for the masses to move on the state of the economy.
While I also think that bitcoin will be able to protect you in the case of a economic meltdown a the same time it is just a theory at the moment and we have no way to know if it will happen, we know now that bitcoin will protect your from small economic crises as this is what we saw during the previous year, it is true there was a decrease in the price as well but then bitcoin reevaluated itself very quickly and reached several new all time highs.


Title: Re: Inflation soaring in US and other countries gives good prospect to bitcoin
Post by: bryant.coleman on September 21, 2021, 07:26:31 AM
While I also think that bitcoin will be able to protect you in the case of a economic meltdown a the same time it is just a theory at the moment and we have no way to know if it will happen, we know now that bitcoin will protect your from small economic crises as this is what we saw during the previous year, it is true there was a decrease in the price as well but then bitcoin reevaluated itself very quickly and reached several new all time highs.

The small scale fluctuations that we witnessed so far in 2021 resulted from attempts to manipulate the market by celebrities such as Elon Musk and organized cartels. But as we can see, the impact was not maintained for the long term. Personally I believe that the time is ripe for Bitcoin, to get started with another bull run. The demand is still there.. and there are a lot of buyers who are waiting for power prices to accumulate BTC. The entry of institutions have changed the scenario completely. With every passing year, people are losing their faith in fiat currency. Ordinary people are losing their wealth at a rapid pace as a result of inflation. Sooner or later, there will be a big move towards assets that are protected against inflation.