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What happened:
I need an aws 5k account, @colires willing to sell me that for $350(0.0074 btc)
I asked him to send me a PM with payment and service detail, he sent, but soon he want me to delete that PM because aws account trade is not allowed in forum.
I have looked @colires's profile before, I know he is very suspicious, so I didn't actually delete PM, instead, I fake a screenshot and sent to him.
He believed, then we continue chat about aws account trade.
Finally, we all agree on a solution: He send me a revolut business account deal through PM, I pay it, then he send me aws 5k account insteads of revolut business account.
After I paid, he sent me an account indeed, but then he clear chat history instantly, I don't even have time to save that account info, so situation now is I paid $350 and I got nothing.
I use multi TG account to contact @colires, he just keep ignoring, now it's already 24 hours passed, he still no responding, well then, I have already give him many chances, scam report here.


Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2827158


Reference Link:
https://i.ibb.co/pQ3MnWh/p1.png

Amount Scammed: $350(0.0074 btc)

Payment Method: Bitcoin

Proof of Payment: https://blockstream.info/tx/cf7e268177dae2937d500c6bb7fb32bee24cd5e5333bc2c7863b1edf2f896bf9

PM/Chat Logs: Even though he clear chat history, since I am keeping back up, so 90% chat history still saved.
https://i.ibb.co/12XQTvM/c1.png
https://i.ibb.co/RBY4DCt/c2.png
https://i.ibb.co/txynTRH/c3.png
https://i.ibb.co/ZGcb5rB/c4.png


Additional Notes:

flag link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2841 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2841)

Quoted for reference

The proof looks solid for me, it's already confirmed the telegram is used by @colires in this forum and not the impostor. You also pay the correct address he provided on the forum too, seems he's used new address for each deal. Yes he's controversial seller, many buyer said he's a scammer but they can't provide a sufficient proof and create sock puppet to attack him.

But you're different, good job for this accusation and sorry for the $350... let's see what @colires will respond on this accusations.

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Just a hypothetical question in my mind : What if those proof you provided also faked?

I can't fake forum PM, anyone with permission could check them.
I sent funds to the provided btc address, it's solid fact.
Can @colires prove he sent me account?
I am looking forward to it.

This might be the best option. You would have to let a trusted member of the forum have temporary access to your account. I would trust Jawhead999 to check your PMs, or I would volunteer to do it. It is up to you if you want to do it at all, it would provide absolute proof, which all other accusers have lacked.

On a related note I saw this today:


Colires has the 37th most good reports in the entire forum, over the last year. I didn't even make the list, its pretty competitive.



PS: While I'm glad you could help nail two long-time scammers, getting scammed twice in 2 days isn't a good start and I recommend taking a bit of time off before your next trade.

Making 435 good reports isn't that hard; it just takes time.  You could probably hit that number in Bitcoin Discussion within a few days if you devoted several hours a day just looking for shitposts.  If you just reported all the garbage in the altcoin ANN section, you could probably get that many good reports in a day.  My point is that being the member with the 37th most good reports doesn't mean a goddamn thing in general and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with this scam accusation.

As far as colires's reputation goes, it's really hard to discern whether he's a serial scammer based on those negs he has that have reference links (and most of them don't).  There's this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5357623), which seems to be just a rage-against-DT neg, while others do have evidence that he really did scam for money.  I'm not inclined to believe untrusted feedback unless there's a valid reference link, but there are enough of colires's negative trusts that do have them that I'm thinking he is indeed a scammer.

I'm going to suspend judgement until he does.  If he can't refute OP's claim, he's getting a neg.

You and Jawhead999 can access my PM.
Do I need to send you my account password or you can use other method to check my PM?

You are finally here, Oscar ;D
I am already said in the first post, after you send me account, you clear chat history instantly, that's true fact, I am still insist it.
After you clear chat history, I am confusing, I am not sure it this your trade rule or you are just simply a scammer, since you already block my main TG account(Nyla Dalia), so I have to contact you with other TG account.
First I use TG account 1 to asked you to send me account again, you keeping ignoring.
After some hours passed, I use TG account 2 to contact you again, which is the last screenshot you post, you think that's threaten? I will called it warning, if you send me account again, I will acting like nothing is happen, if you keep ignoring, then see you in forum.

Funny, these are all fake.
You got any evidence to proof it? No, because I delete it?
Haha, you are a old seller, you should know when things goes strange, the first thing you should do is to back up chat history, but you didn't.
WHY NOT?
The chat history hurt me or hurt you?

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https://i.ibb.co/ZGcb5rB/c4.png  https://i.imgur.com/EDdAhJP.jpg
Hey Oscar
Look at these images
We can ignore hour since we live in diffrent timezone, just look at the minutes, it's continuous.

Here's timeline:
:04 You sent me account
:05 or maybe :06 :07 You clear chat history
:08 I am confused and want you to send it again, buy you never receive these, because you just block me, every message I sent got only 1 tick, check the last seen time, that's when you block me

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

Because it's not even exists, you claim it's exists, you said I insulting you, well, prove it.

Yes, yes, I make a fake screenshot and sent to Oscar.
But why I am doing this?
Do I want so scam his money or account?
Nope, just because his red Untrusted feedback is too much
He want me to delete it, Why?
Because it's dangerous to him? Then this might be a weapon when Oscar scam me.
So I decide to fake a screenshot, just for self defense, and this is the only one, all others evidence just real.

In fact, I am not fake any chat screenshot, everyone can try to export chat history from Telegram Client, it's the same, you won't find any unusual, just simply because it's real.

https://i.ibb.co/5hVQnGV/p2.png
OMG
Tell me, Oscar
Why people should trust you?

Even though you don't have any recourse legally-speaking, you could complain to Kraken that there is a scammer using them to cash out bitcoin through their exchange. This is the scammer's Kraken deposit address:

366PvEGTjf1UKWCjZGiPHPyqpFUuNJp9to

Found him. He's vareole (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346689.msg57349607#msg57349607). Busted AF.


That address  (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1JtnLnMfDio59QRvTgiUG1Ck5nDgukWLqw)is part of this wallet (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/07bd22b09f9a18c7/addresses) and was used to send BTC to the same Kraken deposit address:

https://i.ibb.co/Zf4hCL0/vareole1.png

I had kind of suspected they were the same person for a while now, but he's getting better at covering his tracks. Unfortunately for him the blockchain is non-coverable. Somebody should really report him to Kraken, though. If I was one of his victims, I definitely would.

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Perhaps not but since vareole is also on the top reporter list with 569 good reports, so he actually has 1004 good reports total. He's been a very busy beaver, and a very naughty boy.

This looks convincing.


I don't think only 3 seconds someone can check the AWS account and do long conversation as you said above (threaten, blackmail, asking to gave back the account and refund the money) it's almost impossible since both of you didn't very active, there's a gap based on the picture.

You're an old seller in this forum with many accusations, you must already know proof is really important here and block an user is a red flag. You can't provide proof about your above statement isn't? I guess long time blatant scammer is lose here...

I feel sorry for those victims got scammed from you.

Look at my screenshot posted above, I asked you to send a PM to me, that's why you can't keep everything on Telegram.

Don't just talking. Prove it. You are better then this. Oscar.
If you can't, then shut up and let others judge.

But you already said this:


And in those PMs was this:

https://i.ibb.co/pQ3MnWh/p1.png

The address you posted sent the scammed BTC to a Kraken deposit address used by Vareole, as I proved in the post above.

https://i.ibb.co/5xNv3kC/var2.png

"So how do you account for that?" he asked, not sure how the cookie jar-handed, red-faced scammer would react next. Would he respond with some creative bullshittery? Try to dance his way through hoops of plausible deniability, like some sort of douchelord acrobat?

Whatever it was, it would probably be entertaining, and perhaps even good for a laugh.

It's a curious address  (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/366PvEGTjf1UKWCjZGiPHPyqpFUuNJp9to)to be sure. If its not owned by vareole, its owned by a network of scammers of which you and him are a part. I have no idea what you would be doing sharing the same Kraken deposit address, but seeing as how you're both involved in a lot of the same types of scam accusations, there's a high chance you're the same person.

This is the address you provided in the non-disputed PM: 1JVHCH6r7gjHf8Bk17bLQWmCn84vzTYGXt

This is Vareole's staked address: 1JtnLnMfDio59QRvTgiUG1Ck5nDgukWLqw

This is the Kraken deposit address shared by you and Vareole: 366PvEGTjf1UKWCjZGiPHPyqpFUuNJp9to

You've also received funds from scams using other accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5331996.0) at that address.

Good show for getting this far, got a lot of merits this time. Keep it up the good reports.

That's a weird way of framing it. You sent bitcoins to the address, so who is the recipient?

And if you're implying that the amount received by the address is large... it's not. It seems to have received up to $10-15k at a time, which could quickly add up hundreds of thousands simply by going around in circles.

What do you mean by "put you on ignore", exactly?

That's correct. The wallet  (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Kraken.com?from_address=366PvEGTjf1UKWCjZGiPHPyqpFUuNJp9to)belongs to Kraken. It's a deposit address that is assigned to one account holder and periodically emptied, along with other Kraken deposit addresses. Your address, on the other hand, thus far has no indication of not being controlled by you.

Are you the nutjob that pestered me to provide escrow for a trade with colires a few days ago?  It must have been you, I recognize you as the same entitled asshole who can't take no for an answer.  I don't believe you that you got scammed by not saving the codes in time.  Smacks of bullshit to me.

Don't misinterpret this as me defending colires; he's dealing in digital property that's either stolen or hacked.  How can you trust people who do that?  Why do you think I refused?

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I do believe nutildah, however.  The blockchain doesn't lie.  Good job making the connection.

Like a money launderer for scammers? Why would you send coins to someone else's deposit address if that's what you're implying?

You may not believe this, but that nutjob you are talking about is not me.
I do want to escrow, but I realize many user won't escorw digital goods after I checked escrow thread, and the fee is too high, so I gave up, I didn't contact anyone for escrow. I mentioned that I gave up escrow in another scammer report thread.
So that's not me, you can check our record, ip etc, that must be many difference since I am really really not the person you think I am.

That's fact, I am not saving account info in time.
I am not only chatting to scammer, but also chatting to others seller.
When scammer sent me account info, there is an popup in right-down area, I don't know he will clear chat history, so I think I can end chatting with current seller then switch to scammer's conversation and copy account info.
But when I try to switch to scammer's conversation, I realize that conversation already gone, there is no scammer's conversation in left panel, I have to search his username to reopen conversation, but it's all empty since he clear chat history.

https://i.ibb.co/6ZCrndq/o1.png
If you still think this is all bullshit, check image above
I was chatting to this seller, focus on time
:04 scammer sent me account info
:05 :06 I was chatting to this seller
:05? :06? :07? scammer clear chat history

After all this, i made my mind to not to deal with Colires!
Thanks for bring this up Mate!!

Seems to be taking a 20% haircut ($350 -> $275) in the process, if we were to believe that whiteout screenshot, which reminds me of the "goat in 5G" ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jlTAhOFlXc

To continue on nutildah's research (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5361016.msg57987729#msg57987729), here's another address linked to the specified deposit address from Kraken:
1KR7r2AYuaBZuqzdryX4Vay52sS9qeDPyh (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/5e12ea9e4f6900dc?from_address=1KR7r2AYuaBZuqzdryX4Vay52sS9qeDPyh)

Txid#1 (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/ec1dcd0c7ab3bee6ef558b5ae82e38956e2301a7d57f9e11e557b05914ff3818), Txid#2 (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/394609637d0e750db5b0e63e1239bd53c9ea1b53d76d5a2f61daa26c83ff4d62), Txid#3 (https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/c375d6ec55b751a423c72c7ab11f2631ee023a90822f055dc450b28f0e959a2e)

It appears to be the address of a user named: jurkan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3344090)

archive (https://ninjastic.space/post/57244282)

That account was used by @colires to bump his sales topic and to post fake positive testimonials.

Using same provider "Telia" and same phone (phone icon, gradient colour profile)

colires
Archived (https://archive.is/KWtBV)

valeore
https://i.ibb.co/jrjSnJL/valeore3.jpg


Often using "red circle" to cover some sensitive informations.

colires
Archived (https://archive.is/IPn7r)

valeore
https://i.ibb.co/G0BP5vs/valeore5.jpg


Using "white square" to cover sensitive informations in Telegram, right of the picture there is a blank white area

colires
Archived (https://archive.is/wip/0SMiP)

valeore
Archived (https://archive.is/CHTQU)


The 2 pictures of valeore above I took from his telegram channel @valeoreChannel
https://i.ibb.co/Gkk5JGj/valeore2.jpg
Archived (https://archive.is/x52V9)

Does those similarities between both of them only happen by chance?

Where did you get this picture from? Do you have a higher resolution version?

In valeore's telegram https://t.me/vareoleChannel
No, the size only 21.7KB but can be read, it's blur when I upload to image hosting.

Ok, so vareole seems to be Estonian, based on the date in that screenshot, as well as other details in the channel (e.g. SEB Pank is an Estonian bank). That's about 0.02% of world population... would be a fairly big coincidence on top of all the other coincidences if the language colires tried to scrub out of the screenshots earlier in this thread was also Estonian.

Edit:


(see the URL in the browser and the language switch in the bottom right corner; "et" stands for Estonian).

I don't know how you've fallen for this guy since he already has 3 standing red trust to prevent others from getting scammed in the future. He doesn't have an imposter in Telegram, he just wants you to think that way so he can scam more people.

Yes, that's just what I wanted to show. There are many screenshots of his desktop. He uses an Estonian keyboard layout on Windows.

https://i.imgur.com/W3k7MUT.jpg
archive (https://ninjastic.space/post/57983987)

It looks common but combining all those characteristic it may look uncommon IMO, see above picture both of you also come from Estonia too.

Sure, bring here an another user with these criteria (come from Estonia, using red circle, Telia provider, Iphone and white square in Telegram.)

The thing is, the scammer didn't get red tagged before OP trade with him.

Okay, maybe the more accurate way to describing it is to say that you're selling accounts that were made using stolen, forged, or coerced identification documents.  I wonder how many of those accounts were made using the IDs of Nigerians who've never owned a computer in their life...


That's pretty weird, actually.  If he has multiple exchanges going on at the same time, it would make it difficult to keep track of who's money is who's.  When I first saw the screen shot I thought that maybe it was some automated Telegram bot doing the exchanges, which would make it even weirder that only one address is used.  I'm not doubting your story, just commenting that it's a weird way of doing business.

Whether the address belongs to you or not has become somewhat irrelevant.  It does seem overwhelmingly coincidental that you and vereol have the same phone, use the same wireless network, use the same "exchanger," speak the same language, live in the same country, and redact images the same way.  Far too many coincidences to ignore, in my opinion.

Meh, a "mentor" story. I was hoping for a "brother" or maybe a salacious "ex-girlfriend" drama. You should have asked nutildah to write you a better one, he has a way with words.

Trouble is, on page 3 after a slow drip of evidence and contradictory denials it's impossible to tell you apart from a cornered scammer who would say anything after getting caught.

Eh?  So which is it, my man?

You are lying.  There is too much evidence to the contrary for you to deny it, so consider yourself busted.  Busted.


Ah, this is the old "I don't have time to argue against these allegations" cop-out, which I've seen many scammers and assorted idiots use on bitcointalk when they get called out on some shenanigans and they can't refute the evidence.  That's almost as good as an admission of guilt.

I don't know how people do business in Estonia, but providing someone else with "bank accounts to cash out paypal funds" seems very strange to me, and I don't know if I'd do that for anyone, even if they were a friend--and by your account vareole was someone you met on a forum and worked together doing who knows what.  If you really are two different people (and you're not), I have no doubt you'd be aware that he's a scammer.

Could be hacked or otherwise illegitimately obtained PayPal accounts or funds of questionable legality. Probably wouldn't want to use their own bank account with something like that.

Keep in mind that colires is doing "business" here (selling AWS, PayPal, exchange accounts etc) in a way that you can't really do with your real identity.

That's kind of what I was assuming, that the business they were doing together wasn't strictly legitimate--and that's being kind as to my thoughts on that, assuming I were to give colires the benefit of the doubt.  I don't believe for a moment that the two accounts represent two different individuals.

Indeed. 

I don't doubt that the address in question (366PvEGTjf1UKWCjZGiPHPyqpFUuNJp9to) belongs to someone other than colires/vereole.  I am, however doubting the excuses and claims that they are not the same person.  Too many consciences to disregard, including the fact that they used the same "exchanger" who allegedly owns that address.

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ETA:

On vereole's Telegram group he listed an offer to sell "PayPal funds at %50 off."  This was right after a series of posts complaining about PayPal freezing his funds.  My suspicion is that he's selling the actual account with the locked funds, so that the buyer has the burden of unlocking the funds.  He's also been known to sell PayPal accounts here on the forum.  

There's no way to produce multiple paypal accounts using the same identification (unless it's a legitimate, documented business account) so there's obviously something nefarious going on.  If nothing else the TOS of paypal are being violated by opening multiple accounts, and I highly doubt it's that innocuous.  The accounts are most likely hacked, or created using stolen identification.  Best case scenario; some scammer in Nigeria is creating these accounts with Nigerian identification documents purchased from his neighbors for a nickel.  

The same goes for AWS accounts, Revolute Banking accounts, and almost any other account that these shysters are slinging.    

OK here's the story: They don't actually just know each other. They're brothers. But they're not actually just brothers. They're twins. But they're not actually just twins. They're siamese twins. But they're not actually just siamese twins, they share all of the same body and brain.

That's pretty good, right?


I do. Everything this colires guy says is a lie. This is like the 7th time he's been accused of scamming somebody on the forum under that account. Why wouldn't his new story also be a lie?

Regardless, there's little doubt that colires poses a trading risk by this point.

Here's the exact same scenario back in April.


https://i.imgur.com/AMNEjNo.jpeg

This address also made deposits to the "exchanger" address.

So regardless of whether or not colires and vareole are the same person, they engage in the same scams and send dirty money to the same idiot exchanger.

Case closed.

Maybe I just can't (or don't want to) believe that he scammed 19 bitcoins in the last ten months.  :o


Can't argue with that.  There have been far too many scam accusations against him to brush them all off as retaliation as he's often claimed.  The trouble for me has always been that his accusers haven't elicited much of my sympathy.  This particular segment of this market is full of fraudsters, spammers, and scammers on both sides of the transactions.


Until he shows up with the next alt account.

A lot of those are transactions sent directly from other exchanges. Maybe some of it is legitimate transacting, and there could be fiat payouts happening somewhere, so its not all profit.


That's true. But there isn't a whole lot of space here for multiple scammers. Competition is pretty fierce, which is why colires and vareole have a combined 1000+ good reports.

Banning the sales of personal accounts would go a long way in disenfranchising him and Rambotnic.

Not necessarily. As I mentioned earlier, the largest incoming TX is like 0.36 BTC / $15k, so he had at least that much at one point but it could be going in circles to make up the 19 BTC total. The whole shtick about a mysterious "exchanger" sounds about as contrived as the rest of the "mentor" story. If he was supposedly trading bank accounts, PayPal accounts etc it doesn't make much sense that he wouldn't be able to cash out his own bitcoins.

Thanks for confessing to lying and doctoring evidence. That makes me doubt anything else you say and show.

This is correct, see Banned services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173486.0). This is banned for a reason, now you know why.

This scenario would explain why kuznetsov.damir635 willingly breaks forum rules on a risky trade. He made another scam accusation 2 days before this one. I was wondering already if he's really stupid enough to get scammed twice within 2 days.

This is great :(
Two users both accusing the other of doing the same very common thing on scammer's paradise Telegram.

You cannot just lie when convenient and expect people to believe you later on.

Maybe I missed it, but isn't it possible 1JtnLnMfDio59QRvTgiUG1Ck5nDgukWLqw paid someone (for whatever reason) to address 366PvEGTjf1UKWCjZGiPHPyqpFUuNJp9to instead of owning the Kraken account associated with it?

How do you create an AWS account with $5000 funding? I'm curious: do you use stolen credit cards or something? Bezos didn't become the richest guy by giving away money in bulk.

This sounds plausible to me. I've paid people directly to their exchange account too, and vice versa (for low amounts, in case you're wondering).

I'm only willing to verify things that work through Tor browser, and don't require me to install anything.

This sounds illegal. Words that come to mind are "criminal", "money mule" and "money laundering". Take your pick!

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I know one thing for sure: I wouldn't trust kuznetsov.damir635 or colires at all. But in this case I'm not convinced colires scammed OP.

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@nutildah: I've also seen an instant exchanger that reuses the same deposit address many times. I know Kraken doesn't do that, but what it does mean is that depositing to a certain address doesn't necessarily mean all transactions are connected. I've seen address reuse happen on Bitpay too.

Yes, that's possible, but seeing as how 3 different scammer accounts have made deposits to it, there's a strong likelihood its owned by the same person. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that colires has a long history of being accused of scamming, and this time the accuser happened to have The Full Monty.

Woah valorele, long time no see
It is okay, you have 7 more active accounts on the forum, move on with this one.
At least you had great run for stealing pocket money this time.
See you later again

P.S: You fooled everyone with fake info about me, thats fine with me because i do not really care about low key "traders" who put it on me.
They means nothing and they cannot ruin almost 10 years of feedback.
Most of the people who have "powers" here are stupid just like you, using not confirmed google based information.
But that's why you always succeed to scam pocket money ain't you ? :)

Lets bring this up no matter he will never come back with this account.

This guy scammed me to, 200$

Bunq delete all chat conversation, i am out of this scam forum the user reported many times doesn't get banned.

ciao.

scams aren't moderated here in the forum. the best the members can do is put a negative tag on the profile as a warning to whoever might want to transact with the guy might lose his/her money.

anyway, why were you even making a transaction with that guy? the dude's account has negative tags and a red flag against him. perhaps next time be more cautious when making a transaction with another user.

you were never even in the forum, you only joined after you got scammed.

Sorry for the loss, but you should do your due diligence before doing trade to random people instead of blaming the forum of your mistake. The user has big red flag/ lots of negative reviews, even has a warning on his profile and yet you continue to deal with him.

User colires (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2827158) just wiped most of his post history.
I'll leave my unedited backup (https://loyce.club/archive/members/282/2827158.html) here for reference.