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Are there currently any limits to maximum number of posts allowed by a member per day?

If there are no limits, some limit should be introduced. It will help to reduce the spam on the forum. Also, the workload on moderators will be reduced as they have less number of spam posts to look after.

What do you think of this feature?

There's no limit and there must not be any limit. If you can make 100 posts a day, there's nothing wrong with that. There are people posting 50/60 or more posts weekly but they are not spam while there are people who posts 10/20 or even less a week but all of them are garbage/spam.
Why would it be limited?

Get all you need from here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0) about posting restrictions.

There are restrictions for low rank members while the restriction are lifted off as the ranking increases. But even with this restriction, the number of post that can be posted within a day can be of no limit, once the posts are constructively written, coherent and quality enough.

But for spammers, you do not have to bother about that, just report any spam post you see at the right lower corner of each post you want to report, moderator will delete it if truly is a spam.

I think it is unnecessary to add such a feature to the forum. When I was a newbie there was kind of a limit to my time posting. I had to wait for some minutes before making another post. I hated it. But that's gone now eversince I became a Jr member.
IMO there is nothing wrong in making a hundred posts in a day if they are all quality posts and contribute to forum discussions.

In the event that you miss the relevant information related with your question OP, if you click on Charles-Tim url, you'll find this information somewhere in the middle of the thread (regarding "Limits on Posting"):
To answer directly to your question - No there isn't a limit regarding the number of posts that you can make per day, the previous limitation basically refers to a "waiting time" that is applied to users which , depending on their rank, limits the time they have to wait until they can post again. If you had used the search tool available on the forum, you'll eventually find a official reply from Welsh (circa 2017) regarding that topic:
I don't think that limiting users to a particular number of posts is a healthy idea, namely because it leads to some issues such as:

• How would we achieve/set a balanced number of "allowed" posts per day?
• Why would people that actually contribute with good replies / information to the forum be subjected to a limitation on their activity/contributions?
• Isn't one of the purpose of the forum to be as free as possible[1]?

Most spam threads / low effort posting comes from the fact that users simply join to build up a profile to join bounty hunter campaigns and related services (I'm sure that there may be other reasons, but this has to be in the top 3). One could advocate for tighter control for the admission of such campaigns - which would only lead to more entropy being generated due to higher requirements - or we could also discuss the impact of banning such services - which, then again, would go against the idea of the forum being as free as possible. My suggestion? If you see a low effort reply / thread, just report it. If you see another one, report it as well. It's an unbalanced fight, but one that has to happen whenever a forum reaches the places that bitcointalk currently has reached... I'm not saying it's the best solution, but it's one route that we can take without damaging the pillars that sustain our "guidelines" ...

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[1]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4538227.msg40849533#msg40849533 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4538227.msg40849533#msg40849533)

It wouldn't actually reduce spam posts on the forum, and even if you think it will, since the forum is basically for discussing Bitcoin and other interesting topics, these discussions should never be impeded/hampered in a bid to quell spam, imagine good users having to wait for another day to continue an interesting discussion cause they have reached their posting limit for the day, that would be totally annoying. Let's leave spam posts to be reported and deleted, and allow free flowing discussions to continue without any hassle.

Well I post like mad.

you could cap 🧢 people with paid signatures to 2x what they need to earn the max for the day.

Ie say you need 30 posts a day to earn max earnings you could be capped to 60 or less.

but that would be a nightmare to check.

I have 37000+ posts in a bit over 9 years.

say 10 a day on average.

10 x 365 = 3650 x 9 = 33000+ so maybe 11 a day.

figure I deleted a few
and mods deleted some.

So 40k posts maybe 41k

so do  we say I do the most per day on average maybe 11 no one should be able to go over 11.

I do not think so. Just report it(spam) and it does go away.

I hope the limit on the number of post per day is not enforced in this forum after only newbie or low ranking users get this limit. I don't think we all will really succeed in preventing 100% spam or low value post on forum even if one day the admin agreed to this limit because spam posting is a form of the inability of some poster to write high quality post. There is only one best way if you care about the quality of the post, report it to a moderator and give a reason why the post should be removed.

My godness, such a huge number of posts you have in the forum? Will it be wrong if I assume you are holding the title of most total post?
I barely create 10+ posts a day; can't even remember if I did ever. I used to spend quite a long time here learning bitcoin and some other technical issue which I didn’t have any idea about. But now, it gets hard to spend such huge time.

Nah, I don't think a per-day post cap needs to be implemented--or any kind of limit of that kind.  If there's a spammer who's constantly posting the same advertisement across multiple threads, for instance, there'll probably 5-20 members at least who'll be seeing and reporting those posts.  And even if a spammer uses multiple accounts to post the same amount of spam, there are going to be members reporting it--and that's probably a worst-case scenario as far as making too many posts goes. 

If a legitimate member (not a spammer) makes something like 50 posts per day, they're either going to be decent posts or complete crap.  If it's the latter, then those crappy posts are going to get reported to the mods just like the spam in my above example, and the member might get a temp ban.  In any case, there hasn't been a massive problem with low-value members making too many posts in a day, so I don't see any need to impose more restrictions.

That's true. philipma1957 has the biggest post count among all users of the forum and is followed by BADecker (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149737) (35,832 posts) and Amph (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99297) (28,949 posts).

You can see the list of top 1000 users with the highest number of posts in BPIP (https://bpip.org/Report?r=mostposts). (Deleted posts are not counted)

Technically, there is limit a limit of posts allowed to make per day. Let's say you're Newbie, and you have to wait 360 seconds between posts. There is 86 400 seconds in a day, so, technically you can make 87 posts. For higher ranks wait time between posts is shorter, so you can make much more posts. You can do maths yourself. But for legitimate member such number of posts is impossible to reach.
BTW, it would be interesting to know record how many posts were made per day :D.

I think the waiting time between posts should be adjusted. I find it frustrating and a waste of time. I have to wait for 360 seconds after each post to post again. I don't understand the wisdom behind this. To reduce spam?

That's it right there, this restrictions were put in place to tackle spams. Besides as a newbie, you shouldn't be posted more instead be reading. By so doing you'll get familiarize with the forum rules and avoid ban appeals in the future. Without the restrictions, newly created account could easily spam theirs malicious sites or scams all over the forum and since moderation isn't automated at the moment and it will take sometime for the reports to be delt with, before then the damage could have been done by the posts.

I have been the top one,  but there are a few of us over 30,000 posts.

Not sure if I am no 1 at the moment.

You are the top poster, acording to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

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There are max posts per day for each member rank on the forum. The max posts per rank can be higher if you are whitelisted.

Personally, the post quota only makes sense for low rank members. Because with Hero or Legendary members, it is unable to hit daily post quota, if they don't use posting bots.

I don't get one thing, this forum gives the freedom, crypto gives the freedom, there are people who are trying to bring you the freedom and people still are looking for limits, control, etc.
Admins, moderators and everyone knows what will prevent spam. Theymos mentioned many times that he wants to set as less limits as possible. Personally, I appreciate this decision. If admins/moderators are having issues, they would create thread and ask us for advises, right?

If limits will be imposed, how will you call this forum a place with 'freedom-to-speech'? You can say what you want but try not to spam, and your posts will be good. There are bad members (this isn't about 'member' rank) who play in the dark because they are allowed to have alt accounts here but nobody can find them till they commit mistakes, they also spam to reach their minimum weekly while there are good members too who are helping the community here with their great content, and if they are interested in writing more to serve that to the community, why should they be stopped?

Try not to take my posts as official. I'd recommend only taking theymos' word has official, and every other users as their interpretation. Basically, there isn't a whole lot of rules that are set in concrete, and theymos allows personal interpretation of the rules to some degree. Thus, moderators opinions can somewhat differ from time to time. However, if a staff user is wandering a little too far from the guidelines, theymos is likely to give them a message. In fact, I'd describe the vast majority of the standards set by theymos as guidelines, while there only being a few that are enforced like strict rules, i.e plagiarism.

Although, back to the point. What I say is only my interpretation of the broad rules theymos has outlined. Thus, you'll see the ever popular mprep's thread on the unofficial guidelines as exactly that; unofficial.

I guess it depends, however consistently posting that amount is difficult. Though, someone who doesn't have the time restraints that you might have, might actually be able to consistently post over that amount. After all, 11 posts a day isn't that bad at all. Though, it's the consistency part I think most users struggle with, or aren't bothered by. They come here in their spare time, and they might have a lot of spare time on x number of days, and then be completely rammed for time for the other days, thus they might peak higher than 11 posts in a singular day.   

There shouldn't be a maximum post limit. I will explain my reasoning with a question to OP.

You are saying that a posting limitation would reduce spam and the work that moderators have to carry out.

Consider the following:

• User A writes 20 posts per day. All of his posts are good, they don't break any rules, and don't require a moderator's attention.
• User B writes 2 posts per day. Both are spam, off-topic, or posted in the wrong place. They have to be deleted, merged, or moved by moderators.

Which of these two users has created more workload for the forum administration?

I highly doubt theymos will impose any sort of restriction to the volume of posts a user can make, as we know, and I touched upon it briefly earlier in the thread; people differ on their commitment to the forum. However, an observation I've made is during the earlier years of registering, and when you might say they're most excited about Bitcoin, that's likely when a user posts higher amounts than normal. Doesn't always mean they're spam, but generally when your posting several times an hour, then the quality of the posts go down.

Plus, I wouldn't say the moderators are particularly overworked, so this isn't something to be concerned about. The limiting factor of moderators I would argue is lack of reporting. Obviously, Hilariousandco released some of the reporting statistics recently, and we get thousands every month, but split between a lot of us, and how much quicker it is to handle reports are a moderator, as well as the overall activity of this forum, that isn't an awful lot.

The solution of this question have been rendered from different domination of users in the community, i over heard some people saying that you can make a  numerous post's till infinity per day, that can only happen from my perspective when you are not in any signature campaign, because if a total number of a post quota is been enshrined by a manager of a specific campaign and you didn't come online for period of time and few day approach to the deadline of post count and a user happen to use a day to make a post base he or her can make a fifty (50) post per a day, on my own i will labelled it as a result of spamming, and it's very obvious that it's a spam.

Thank you for the information @Welsh. I think that regarding this particular topic - maximum posts per day - while your posts related to rules/guidelines represent your own interpretation based on a set of believes/knowledge that you have of the rules, I could have used a better wording when I quoted your reply in order to show some kind of "definite answer" to OP's inquiry - not as such as official per se, but rather a concrete answer. I'll be more careful with my wording from now on.
This is also another good point that I think hasn't been brought up to the discussion (so far). I think that in order to explain it fully - or at least my take on it - we have to think about the (possible) reasons that members do end up in our forum and how these reasons end up being reflected on their activity within our forum. To me they are pretty clear (speaking in general terms) and, as I've told in the past, I could sum them up in two types:
Like Welsh rightfully said, I suppose that if we could draft a graphic of the activity of a newly registered user that came here with the goal (A) - "narrow" field of vision I believe we would/could be looking at something like this[1]:
https://i.ibb.co/8jnyqhj/btc.png (https://ibb.co/hKxGbqK)

For clarification : Assuming that a user registers at point 0 in time, the difference between Total Posts vs. "Net" Total Posts is that the latter represents what remains in the forum of OP's activity after his/her rule breaking posts were deleted by the mods. This "spike" in Total Posts is the "manifestation" of the user urge to rank up quickly in the forum to get that activity counter up (Gotta get those juicy campaigns right?). These, in turn, end up what we may call "junk posts" that do end up filling threads/sections of our forum. I think that the activity (as in posts) starts decreasing as soon as the member realizes that there is a tight moderation and what he/she though that would be a piece of cake ends up being a greater task that he/she initially thought of - that "easy to reach campaing" starts looking very, very far away now. Eventually he/she will basically just go back to a "beer money" scheme that won't take him 1/1000 of the effort that he would have to employ to actually contribute to the forum (sadly another one will arrive - this is an endless cycle). A quick note about the "1/1000 effort" - I don't believe that rising thought the forum represents a herculean task - but granted for users with the motivation behind such as Type A, they will see our "requirements" as dull, pathetic, not necessary, etc etc (as we are reminded from time to time from unsatisfied newbies). My other interpretation is that this is an incredible argument to sustain the idea that this system actually works - we are "filtering" noise within the huge influx that our forum generate while at the same time rewarding positive contributions / allowing members who actually care to go up the ranks.
I think that it's understandable that members who are more active / care about the general direction of the forum do inquiry, from time to time, if the work of the moderators is balanced or not... This is particular understandable since we have no way of knowing how can we "quantify" the amount of work that each mod has. I'm not saying that we should know the daily routine of the mods - I think that should reserved for the inner layers of the forum structure - but taking in consideration that we don't know how our numbers impact the overall life balance of our mods, I think it's rather understandable that these "worries" pop up every now and then. It is interesting, however, that the limiting factor of moderators would be lack of reporting ... I honestly don't have any suggestion to increase this. If I could list some "random" ideas:

• Perhaps creating a system that rewards users based on the number of "good reports" that he/she has generated towards the forum?
• Or perhaps having a report being delivered each month telling us that something like " With your report we were able to ban X , Y , Z user (...)".

My goal was trying to create a more personal relation with the reports generated (and their impact) but I'm not sure if the amount of effort that it would take to implement such measure would have meaningful results ...

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There is actually no limits in posting. Bitcoin has given us the freedom to post whenever we want and how much we want. It's understandable why ask because you just wanted to be aware or curious but you don't really need be so worried about these.

I think you need to read and explore the forum more so that you'll discover and learn more. It can help you widen your knowledge. It is the best advice i could give you and also to myself. Goodluck on your journey.

Although there is no restrictions on number of post per day but sill there should a cap on number of posts made by those who are wearing  signature. If that is not possible, then campaign managers should not count more than 10 posts per day for each person. This may help to reduce spam and also people won't be able to post 1 or 2 days only in a week to complete their weekly quota.

OP, did you know that this forum has enough restrictions and rules that seem centralized compared to bitcoin's decentralized philosophy to regulate users from breaking the rules?

Don't let yourself go crazy as if you really want to make this forum feel like it's being controlled by a dictatorial government that forces everyone to stay centralized. I don't want the owner or admin of this forum to agree to your request because honestly I don't want to get that limitation again once I rank higher.

Bitcoin didn't give you that. This is a forum and a discussion board. The topic of interest happens to be Bitcoin, but it's not the technology that affects posting on this forum in anyway. Other types of forums that aren't about Bitcoin also give you the freedom to post anything you want as long as you adhere to their local rules. 

The forum is centralized. Theymos is its head admin and he is assisted by a couple of staff members. That's a centralized group. You, me, and everyone else (the community) don't have a say on the decisions the admins make.

- We didn't vote on the implementation of merits.
- We didn't create trust or the flag system.
- We don't decide who gets banned and who doesn't.
- We don't select the ads you see around the place.
- We don't create new boards.

The list goes on. We have a lot of freedoms when it comes to posting, but the forum is still centralized, and that's exactly how it needs to be. Someone needs to make sure that the rules are being followed.

There shouldn't be any limit for regular member (which there isn't) excluding the newbies, if the posts were quite informative in sense that they're all quality then you should be able to contribute to as many posts as possible. If a user makes 15-20 post in a day and they're quality, there shouldn't be a problem with that but when a user uses just 1-2 days to complete all the week quota of a campaign requirement then that becomes an issue because there's every certainty majority of those posts will just be below average/generic contents.

If you're making a large number of posts per day it shouldn't be because of a campaign requirement but because that how you feel like posting. Personally I have made more than 10 post in a day on several occasions when I see discussion that pick my interest. Frankly speaking, making 10-15 post dialy isn't that difficult especially when you see discussion that pick your interest.

As for signature promoters, you should understand as an employee you should always give your best to your employer and the best way to do that is by spreading their ads all over the week and not just in 1/2 days (spread days depends in the manager though).

It's always nice to get input from moderators, as Theymos is mostly silent about conversations like this.  What I understand from your post is that more reporting of shitposts would be appreciated and perhaps handled if mods agree with the reporter--am I correct about that? 

Hopefully so, because I stopped reporting crap posts shortly after the merit system came along, and before that I got the sense that my reporting wasn't worth my time.  I'd often see a post I reported linger on indefinitely (though I did see mods take action on a lot of them as well).

That post right there, that's a head-scratcher.  I'm not sure what kind of mind links the existence of bitcoin to the non-existent right to post anything and everything on this forum--and I have to assume he means just bitcointalk, because I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's not that retarded. 

If only more campaign participants thought that way and really did treat their position in a campaign (or a bounty) as a real job, where they should be a good worker.  That would mean not burst posting, putting thought and effort into their posts, taking their time when writing, and being at least somewhat proficient in the language in which they're writing.  Unfortunately we all know that isn't the case--and for some campaigners, the amount they get paid is more than they could make in a week or even a month in their country.  You'd think they'd try their best instead of dumping garbage all over the place for others to clean up.

It's much easier for the mods to delete posts that break the rules if they are made aware of them and they know exactly what is wrong with them and what to pay attention to. Instead of having only 10-20 staff members (not really sure how many there are) browsing the various forum sections in search for offenders, their job is made easier with the help of hundreds of volunteers who go "hey, look here, this is where your attention is needed".

Forum members are permitted to post/reply as much as necessary. There should be no restrictions on posting. In fact, forum members are free agent to produce quality posts on topic. If you stick to the rules regarding post bursting and make sense in your replies, you are fine. The account of a user who posts pointless, or ordinary, comments, or participates in a spam megathread, which is against the terms of condition, your account is at risk. In fact, your explanation must be clear and relevant. Attacking others and asking for posting limitations is not logical.

I think that you understand when I say that I agree with your viewpoint @The Pharmacist, considering my last reply on this thread. What I would like to believe is that the vast majority of the forum activity is "born" from the sheer fact of curiosity / contribute in helping either spreading BTC/crypto awareness/knowledge or helping people who are in need of help in this field rather than just the need to fill the minimum quota from any campaign service because that may eventual generate not so relevant material to discuss (talking specifically about the users who want a quick grab - I'm fully aware that some campaigns have reputable members who go above and beyond in helping out our users, and I'm happy for that). I reject the idea of joining a campaign (which I haven't done yet) that would require me to post a certain number of posts per day - mostly because I usually don't post much (depends on the time of the year) - or to post in sections of the forum that do not interest me at all (like Games and Rounds*).

I think that the road ahead should be the same that we have been doing for some time - keep on the good fight and report whatever we can whenever we can. I know that it might seem an uneven fight, but if each user would contribute in some way I'm sure we'll be able to have an (even!) cleaner forum regarding the frequent junk / ref spam / low effort posts...

*Disclosure: The only time I remember using the section was to host a (failed :() BUT AWESOME : 🥧 Pie Making Contest - Win a bit of BTC! 🥧 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5315458)

Maximum posts allowed per day:

1. We have 7days in a week, user A is free for the 7days and as such can make a post any day within the week. User B only has time to visit the forum and make post in just 4days out of the 7days. Let's say a cap of 10 posts per day is fixed, user B will be disadvantaged.

2. The number of posts made by a user per day is as a result of his knowledge about the forum and his desire to write. Someone who has depth knowledge about the forum and is passionate about writing shouldn't be limited.

3. If there be need to limit number of posts per day, the system should be programmed to also accept the posts, queue them in and maybe publish them the next day. Then, to what essence?

4. If it's because of spamming, I think introducing post cap will be better board bases. Maybe a moderator what a certain level of sanity in a particular board, such restrictions can be applied in that particular board.
Thanks all!

You started with good points, but the last one clearly needs correction. If it's because of spam, one can make more accounts and still spam. So any restriction at number of posts doesn't stop the spam.
Spam can be discouraged by:
* reporting it to mods to be removed, if it's useless/shitpots
* tagging the user as spammer

So the tools are there, they just have to be used. Limiting the posts per day doesn't make any sense. And, as I said, already your first points were correct.

I'd say this applies:

For math lovers: I can post once every 4 seconds, that limits me to 21,600 posts per day. But I prefer to make it look like I'm human.

Incredibly well said! Great find, LoyceV!



Will they be comprehensive, different and not copy/paste from somewhere else? I kinda doubt it. So doing this could get you into troubles, so you better not attempt it  ;D

Noted!
We stick to the correct ones.


This statistics alone is making it look like a bot ;D
I pray the idea remains in the imaginary world, else it will be spam pro max ;D

I should have known about it, but I wasn't brave enough to say it because I wasn't knowledgeable enough. Thanks for detailing it for me.

Right now I can only post once every 35 seconds due to limitations, actually it's very inconvenient because I have to wait when I have at least 40 tab of my spam posts ready to report to a moderator. I know when my activity is sufficient to qualify to rank up as a member this limit will decrease but that's why I wouldn't agree not to expect a limit on the number of posts when my ranking goes up.

I can whitelist you, so you can report much faster. But as far as I understand, you can only be whitelisted once, and when your Rank goes up, you lose the whitelist again. Maybe it's better to wait until you're a Member, then whitelist you so it lasts until you're Full Member?

Thank you for your offer LoyceV, really appreciate it.

My rank will go up to member when I have 60 activity count as I can understand from the rank up requirement. Because now I'm almost there so it's a good idea to include me there when the ranking has become a member in a few moments.

@LoyceV, looks like you can do it now because I just rank up to member. I have to finish 35-40 more reports quickly because I need to sleep after this. Thank you.

You don't have to worry about that. Signature campaigns generally don't count posts made in Games and Rounds. ;D
You will be required to post in Gambling and Gambling Discussion though. But yeah, I understand what you are saying.

I don't see that ever happening. Imagine that you need some urgent help today and that has to be in the next 5-6 hours. But the two people who can help you can no longer post because they reached their daily quota. They could PM you, but let's say you/they don't want that. The forum (actually theymos) isn't going to limit people in that way.

AIs don't copy-paste. Especially not those produced in Switzerland.