Maximum posts allowed per day

[Welsh]

Consider the following:

• User A writes 20 posts per day. All of his posts are good, they don't break any rules, and don't require a moderator's attention.
• User B writes 2 posts per day. Both are spam, off-topic, or posted in the wrong place. They have to be deleted, merged, or moved by moderators.

Which of these two users has created more workload for the forum administration?

I highly doubt theymos will impose any sort of restriction to the volume of posts a user can make, as we know, and I touched upon it briefly earlier in the thread; people differ on their commitment to the forum. However, an observation I've made is during the earlier years of registering, and when you might say they're most excited about Bitcoin, that's likely when a user posts higher amounts than normal. Doesn't always mean they're spam, but generally when your posting several times an hour, then the quality of the posts go down.

Plus, I wouldn't say the moderators are particularly overworked, so this isn't something to be concerned about. The limiting factor of moderators I would argue is lack of reporting. Obviously, Hilariousandco released some of the reporting statistics recently, and we get thousands every month, but split between a lot of us, and how much quicker it is to handle reports are a moderator, as well as the overall activity of this forum, that isn't an awful lot.

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[GeorgeJohn]

Are there currently any limits to maximum number of posts allowed by a member per day?

The solution of this question have been rendered from different domination of users in the community, i over heard some people saying that you can make a  numerous post's till infinity per day, that can only happen from my perspective when you are not in any signature campaign, because if a total number of a post quota is been enshrined by a manager of a specific campaign and you didn't come online for period of time and few day approach to the deadline of post count and a user happen to use a day to make a post base he or her can make a fifty (50) post per a day, on my own i will labelled it as a result of spamming, and it's very obvious that it's a spam.

[RickDeckard]

Try not to take my posts as official. I'd recommend only taking theymos' word has official, and every other users as their interpretation. Basically, there isn't a whole lot of rules that are set in concrete, and theymos allows personal interpretation of the rules to some degree. Thus, moderators opinions can somewhat differ from time to time. However, if a staff user is wandering a little too far from the guidelines, theymos is likely to give them a message. In fact, I'd describe the vast majority of the standards set by theymos as guidelines, while there only being a few that are enforced like strict rules, i.e plagiarism.

Thank you for the information @Welsh. I think that regarding this particular topic - maximum posts per day - while your posts related to rules/guidelines represent your own interpretation based on a set of believes/knowledge that you have of the rules, I could have used a better wording when I quoted your reply in order to show some kind of "definite answer" to OP's inquiry - not as such as official per se, but rather a concrete answer. I'll be more careful with my wording from now on.

I highly doubt theymos will impose any sort of restriction to the volume of posts a user can make, as we know, and I touched upon it briefly earlier in the thread; people differ on their commitment to the forum. However, an observation I've made is during the earlier years of registering, and when you might say they're most excited about Bitcoin, that's likely when a user posts higher amounts than normal. Doesn't always mean they're spam, but generally when your posting several times an hour, then the quality of the posts go down.

This is also another good point that I think hasn't been brought up to the discussion (so far). I think that in order to explain it fully - or at least my take on it - we have to think about the (possible) reasons that members do end up in our forum and how these reasons end up being reflected on their activity within our forum. To me they are pretty clear (speaking in general terms) and, as I've told in the past, I could sum them up in two types:

• The "narrow" field of vision ones /generate passive income "easily" spirit - Users that heard/discovered about the campaign publicity that runs in here but didn't decided to explore what it means/implies to wear a signature for such campaigns. They rush into making random threads about something that happened in the world with generic themes or spam post comments that sometimes may not match with the issue that is been discussing in thread just to see the post counter go up. They fail to see that in order to reach the requirements to integrate the campaigns they have X requirements, the main ones tied to account progression. From their point of view the amount of effort that it takes isn't worth and they quickly loose interest and end up never logging in again (they were looking for a source of income that was easy to establish).
• The ones that actually want to take in the discussion/development of BTC as a currency - The "type" basically describes the purpose. These are the type of users that do try their best to give their voice whenever they see fit, try to contribute/establish relations with members here and even try to come up with original ideas that haven't been discussed before. From within this class of user may originate two sub-classes : The ones that decide to combine their positive thinking/activity with campaign services (which is valid by itself) and the ones that decide to follow the same path that they were making without "vouching" for such service.
  Each has their own reasons ,and each of them is valid, so long as the goal of both is the same : contribute positively to the growth of the forum (I tend to overuse the word "organic" but I think it represents the way that our growth should be).

Like Welsh rightfully said, I suppose that if we could draft a graphic of the activity of a newly registered user that came here with the goal (A) - "narrow" field of vision I believe we would/could be looking at something like this[1]:


For clarification : Assuming that a user registers at point 0 in time, the difference between Total Posts vs. "Net" Total Posts is that the latter represents what remains in the forum of OP's activity after his/her rule breaking posts were deleted by the mods. This "spike" in Total Posts is the "manifestation" of the user urge to rank up quickly in the forum to get that activity counter up (Gotta get those juicy campaigns right?). These, in turn, end up what we may call "junk posts" that do end up filling threads/sections of our forum. I think that the activity (as in posts) starts decreasing as soon as the member realizes that there is a tight moderation and what he/she though that would be a piece of cake ends up being a greater task that he/she initially thought of - that "easy to reach campaing" starts looking very, very far away now. Eventually he/she will basically just go back to a "beer money" scheme that won't take him 1/1000 of the effort that he would have to employ to actually contribute to the forum (sadly another one will arrive - this is an endless cycle). A quick note about the "1/1000 effort" - I don't believe that rising thought the forum represents a herculean task - but granted for users with the motivation behind such as Type A, they will see our "requirements" as dull, pathetic, not necessary, etc etc (as we are reminded from time to time from unsatisfied newbies). My other interpretation is that this is an incredible argument to sustain the idea that this system actually works - we are "filtering" noise within the huge influx that our forum generate while at the same time rewarding positive contributions / allowing members who actually care to go up the ranks.

Plus, I wouldn't say the moderators are particularly overworked, so this isn't something to be concerned about. The limiting factor of moderators I would argue is lack of reporting. Obviously, Hilariousandco released some of the reporting statistics recently, and we get thousands every month, but split between a lot of us, and how much quicker it is to handle reports are a moderator, as well as the overall activity of this forum, that isn't an awful lot.

I think that it's understandable that members who are more active / care about the general direction of the forum do inquiry, from time to time, if the work of the moderators is balanced or not... This is particular understandable since we have no way of knowing how can we "quantify" the amount of work that each mod has. I'm not saying that we should know the daily routine of the mods - I think that should reserved for the inner layers of the forum structure - but taking in consideration that we don't know how our numbers impact the overall life balance of our mods, I think it's rather understandable that these "worries" pop up every now and then. It is interesting, however, that the limiting factor of moderators would be lack of reporting ... I honestly don't have any suggestion to increase this. If I could list some "random" ideas:

• Perhaps creating a system that rewards users based on the number of "good reports" that he/she has generated towards the forum?
• Or perhaps having a report being delivered each month telling us that something like " With your report we were able to ban X , Y , Z user (...)".

My goal was trying to create a more personal relation with the reports generated (and their impact) but I'm not sure if the amount of effort that it would take to implement such measure would have meaningful results ...
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[ifarted]

Are there currently any limits to maximum number of posts allowed by a member per day?

There is actually no limits in posting. Bitcoin has given us the freedom to post whenever we want and how much we want. It's understandable why ask because you just wanted to be aware or curious but you don't really need be so worried about these.

I think you need to read and explore the forum more so that you'll discover and learn more. It can help you widen your knowledge. It is the best advice i could give you and also to myself. Goodluck on your journey.

[UmerIdrees]

To reduce spam?

That's it right there, this restrictions were put in place to tackle spams. Besides as a newbie, you shouldn't be posted more instead be reading. By so doing you'll get familiarize with the forum rules and avoid ban appeals in the future. Without the restrictions, newly created account could easily spam theirs malicious sites or scams all over the forum and since moderation isn't automated at the moment and it will take sometime for the reports to be delt with, before then the damage could have been done by the posts.

Although there is no restrictions on number of post per day but sill there should a cap on number of posts made by those who are wearing  signature. If that is not possible, then campaign managers should not count more than 10 posts per day for each person. This may help to reduce spam and also people won't be able to post 1 or 2 days only in a week to complete their weekly quota.

[_BlackStar]

OP, did you know that this forum has enough restrictions and rules that seem centralized compared to bitcoin's decentralized philosophy to regulate users from breaking the rules?

Don't let yourself go crazy as if you really want to make this forum feel like it's being controlled by a dictatorial government that forces everyone to stay centralized. I don't want the owner or admin of this forum to agree to your request because honestly I don't want to get that limitation again once I rank higher.

[Pmalek]

Bitcoin has given us the freedom to post whenever we want and how much we want.

Bitcoin didn't give you that. This is a forum and a discussion board. The topic of interest happens to be Bitcoin, but it's not the technology that affects posting on this forum in anyway. Other types of forums that aren't about Bitcoin also give you the freedom to post anything you want as long as you adhere to their local rules. 

OP, did you know that this forum has enough restrictions and rules that seem centralized compared to bitcoin's decentralized philosophy to regulate users from breaking the rules?

The forum is centralized. Theymos is its head admin and he is assisted by a couple of staff members. That's a centralized group. You, me, and everyone else (the community) don't have a say on the decisions the admins make.

- We didn't vote on the implementation of merits.
- We didn't create trust or the flag system.
- We don't decide who gets banned and who doesn't.
- We don't select the ads you see around the place.
- We don't create new boards.

The list goes on. We have a lot of freedoms when it comes to posting, but the forum is still centralized, and that's exactly how it needs to be. Someone needs to make sure that the rules are being followed.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Although there is no restrictions on number of post per day but sill there should a cap on number of posts made by those who are wearing  signature. If that is not possible, then campaign managers should not count more than 10 posts per day for each person. This may help to reduce spam and also people won't be able to post 1 or 2 days only in a week to complete their weekly quota.

There shouldn't be any limit for regular member (which there isn't) excluding the newbies, if the posts were quite informative in sense that they're all quality then you should be able to contribute to as many posts as possible. If a user makes 15-20 post in a day and they're quality, there shouldn't be a problem with that but when a user uses just 1-2 days to complete all the week quota of a campaign requirement then that becomes an issue because there's every certainty majority of those posts will just be below average/generic contents.

If you're making a large number of posts per day it shouldn't be because of a campaign requirement but because that how you feel like posting. Personally I have made more than 10 post in a day on several occasions when I see discussion that pick my interest. Frankly speaking, making 10-15 post dialy isn't that difficult especially when you see discussion that pick your interest.

As for signature promoters, you should understand as an employee you should always give your best to your employer and the best way to do that is by spreading their ads all over the week and not just in 1/2 days (spread days depends in the manager though).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The limiting factor of moderators I would argue is lack of reporting. Obviously, Hilariousandco released some of the reporting statistics recently, and we get thousands every month, but split between a lot of us, and how much quicker it is to handle reports are a moderator, as well as the overall activity of this forum, that isn't an awful lot.

It's always nice to get input from moderators, as Theymos is mostly silent about conversations like this.  What I understand from your post is that more reporting of shitposts would be appreciated and perhaps handled if mods agree with the reporter--am I correct about that? 

Hopefully so, because I stopped reporting crap posts shortly after the merit system came along, and before that I got the sense that my reporting wasn't worth my time.  I'd often see a post I reported linger on indefinitely (though I did see mods take action on a lot of them as well).

Bitcoin has given us the freedom to post whenever we want and how much we want.

Bitcoin didn't give you that. This is a forum and a discussion board.

That post right there, that's a head-scratcher.  I'm not sure what kind of mind links the existence of bitcoin to the non-existent right to post anything and everything on this forum--and I have to assume he means just bitcointalk, because I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's not that retarded. 

As for signature promoters, you should understand as an employee you should always give your best to your employer and the best way to do that is by spreading their ads all over the week and not just in 1/2 days (spread days depends in the manager though).

If only more campaign participants thought that way and really did treat their position in a campaign (or a bounty) as a real job, where they should be a good worker.  That would mean not burst posting, putting thought and effort into their posts, taking their time when writing, and being at least somewhat proficient in the language in which they're writing.  Unfortunately we all know that isn't the case--and for some campaigners, the amount they get paid is more than they could make in a week or even a month in their country.  You'd think they'd try their best instead of dumping garbage all over the place for others to clean up.

[Pmalek]

What I understand from your post is that more reporting of shitposts would be appreciated and perhaps handled if mods agree with the reporter--am I correct about that?

It's much easier for the mods to delete posts that break the rules if they are made aware of them and they know exactly what is wrong with them and what to pay attention to. Instead of having only 10-20 staff members (not really sure how many there are) browsing the various forum sections in search for offenders, their job is made easier with the help of hundreds of volunteers who go "hey, look here, this is where your attention is needed".

[onecall123]

Forum members are permitted to post/reply as much as necessary. There should be no restrictions on posting. In fact, forum members are free agent to produce quality posts on topic. If you stick to the rules regarding post bursting and make sense in your replies, you are fine. The account of a user who posts pointless, or ordinary, comments, or participates in a spam megathread, which is against the terms of condition, your account is at risk. In fact, your explanation must be clear and relevant. Attacking others and asking for posting limitations is not logical.

[RickDeckard]

As for signature promoters, you should understand as an employee you should always give your best to your employer and the best way to do that is by spreading their ads all over the week and not just in 1/2 days (spread days depends in the manager though).

If only more campaign participants thought that way and really did treat their position in a campaign (or a bounty) as a real job, where they should be a good worker.  That would mean not burst posting, putting thought and effort into their posts, taking their time when writing, and being at least somewhat proficient in the language in which they're writing.  Unfortunately we all know that isn't the case--and for some campaigners, the amount they get paid is more than they could make in a week or even a month in their country.  You'd think they'd try their best instead of dumping garbage all over the place for others to clean up.

I think that you understand when I say that I agree with your viewpoint @The Pharmacist, considering my last reply on this thread. What I would like to believe is that the vast majority of the forum activity is "born" from the sheer fact of curiosity / contribute in helping either spreading BTC/crypto awareness/knowledge or helping people who are in need of help in this field rather than just the need to fill the minimum quota from any campaign service because that may eventual generate not so relevant material to discuss (talking specifically about the users who want a quick grab - I'm fully aware that some campaigns have reputable members who go above and beyond in helping out our users, and I'm happy for that). I reject the idea of joining a campaign (which I haven't done yet) that would require me to post a certain number of posts per day - mostly because I usually don't post much (depends on the time of the year) - or to post in sections of the forum that do not interest me at all (like Games and Rounds*).

I think that the road ahead should be the same that we have been doing for some time - keep on the good fight and report whatever we can whenever we can. I know that it might seem an uneven fight, but if each user would contribute in some way I'm sure we'll be able to have an (even!) cleaner forum regarding the frequent junk / ref spam / low effort posts...

*Disclosure: The only time I remember using the section was to host a (failed ) BUT AWESOME : 🥧 Pie Making Contest - Win a bit of BTC! 🥧

[KingsDen]

Maximum posts allowed per day:

1. We have 7days in a week, user A is free for the 7days and as such can make a post any day within the week. User B only has time to visit the forum and make post in just 4days out of the 7days. Let's say a cap of 10 posts per day is fixed, user B will be disadvantaged.

2. The number of posts made by a user per day is as a result of his knowledge about the forum and his desire to write. Someone who has depth knowledge about the forum and is passionate about writing shouldn't be limited.

3. If there be need to limit number of posts per day, the system should be programmed to also accept the posts, queue them in and maybe publish them the next day. Then, to what essence?

4. If it's because of spamming, I think introducing post cap will be better board bases. Maybe a moderator what a certain level of sanity in a particular board, such restrictions can be applied in that particular board.
Thanks all!

[NeuroticFish]

If it's because of spamming, I think introducing post cap will be better board bases. Maybe a moderator what a certain level of sanity in a particular board, such restrictions can be applied in that particular board.

You started with good points, but the last one clearly needs correction. If it's because of spam, one can make more accounts and still spam. So any restriction at number of posts doesn't stop the spam.
Spam can be discouraged by:
* reporting it to mods to be removed, if it's useless/shitpots
* tagging the user as spammer

So the tools are there, they just have to be used. Limiting the posts per day doesn't make any sense. And, as I said, already your first points were correct.

[LoyceV]

one can make more accounts and still spam.
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Limiting the posts per day doesn't make any sense.

I'd say this applies:

When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc.

For math lovers: I can post once every 4 seconds, that limits me to 21,600 posts per day. But I prefer to make it look like I'm human.

[NeuroticFish]

When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc.

Incredibly well said! Great find, LoyceV!

For math lovers: I can post once every 4 seconds, that limits me to 21,600 posts per day. But I prefer to make it look like I'm human.

Will they be comprehensive, different and not copy/paste from somewhere else? I kinda doubt it. So doing this could get you into troubles, so you better not attempt it 

[KingsDen]

So the tools are there, they just have to be used. Limiting the posts per day doesn't make any sense. And, as I said, already your first points were correct.

Noted!
We stick to the correct ones.

For math lovers: I can post once every 4 seconds, that limits me to 21,600 posts per day. But I prefer to make it look like I'm human.

This statistics alone is making it look like a bot
I pray the idea remains in the imaginary world, else it will be spam pro max

[_BlackStar]

The forum is centralized. Theymos is its head admin and he is assisted by a couple of staff members. That's a centralized group. You, me, and everyone else (the community) don't have a say on the decisions the admins make.

- We didn't vote on the implementation of merits.
- We didn't create trust or the flag system.
- We don't decide who gets banned and who doesn't.
- We don't select the ads you see around the place.
- We don't create new boards.

The list goes on. We have a lot of freedoms when it comes to posting, but the forum is still centralized, and that's exactly how it needs to be. Someone needs to make sure that the rules are being followed.

I should have known about it, but I wasn't brave enough to say it because I wasn't knowledgeable enough. Thanks for detailing it for me.

Right now I can only post once every 35 seconds due to limitations, actually it's very inconvenient because I have to wait when I have at least 40 tab of my spam posts ready to report to a moderator. I know when my activity is sufficient to qualify to rank up as a member this limit will decrease but that's why I wouldn't agree not to expect a limit on the number of posts when my ranking goes up.

[LoyceV]

Right now I can only post once every 35 seconds due to limitations, actually it's very inconvenient because I have to wait when I have at least 40 tab of my spam posts ready to report to a moderator.

I can whitelist you, so you can report much faster. But as far as I understand, you can only be whitelisted once, and when your Rank goes up, you lose the whitelist again. Maybe it's better to wait until you're a Member, then whitelist you so it lasts until you're Full Member?

[_BlackStar]

I can whitelist you, so you can report much faster. But as far as I understand, you can only be whitelisted once, and when your Rank goes up, you lose the whitelist again. Maybe it's better to wait until you're a Member, then whitelist you so it lasts until you're Full Member?

Thank you for your offer LoyceV, really appreciate it.

My rank will go up to member when I have 60 activity count as I can understand from the rank up requirement. Because now I'm almost there so it's a good idea to include me there when the ranking has become a member in a few moments.

@LoyceV, looks like you can do it now because I just rank up to member. I have to finish 35-40 more reports quickly because I need to sleep after this. Thank you.