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Few days ago I had a topic on Service section. It was about getting some financial help for my uncle.
Ninjastic has full archive (https://ninjastic.space/topic/5366532)
Topic #5366532.0

I have read few topics about financial support. In fact, in one appeal I personally donated but kept it anonymous, I would like it that way. Those past history inspired me to try the community. I am not sure what changed now. Hopefully there will be a response about it.

Thanks.

So the topic got deleted? It's not clear from your post.

If it did get deleted (for begging presumably) then reposting it in Meta is not a particularly bright idea and makes you look even more like a beggar. Edit this thread to make it a proper Meta topic/complaint. Only repost your original topic if your complaint is resolved to your favor, and do so on the correct board.

Let me know if any of it looks begging now other than a proper meta topic.

You're still not saying what happened to your topic (mod deleted?) and what your complaint is (you think you didn't break rule #7 because...).

"Others did it too" is not a valid excuse, perhaps nobody reported those other topics.

The OPs thread was moved to the trashcan. Begging is not allowed. I'm sorry for your Uncle's situation.

I posted in the "begging" thread as it can be seen in the archived thread.

I'm curious, if it was deleted, to know the explanation, as it doesn't seem very different from the others I've seen, like this one from infofront, in which I myself donated:

Donations to Provide Funding for Biliary Atresia Surgery for Infant [SUCCESS] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360407.0)

I think that in this particular case there is a difference - the topic you are referring to is in the Off-topic and therefore has much less exposure than in the Service board. Someone reported the topic and the mod had no choice but to follow the rules of the forum.

I will just say that I personally saw this topic, but I did not report it because it did not seem to me to be about begging.

I'd say a well-known WO-regular with a topic in Off-topic deserves a bit more credit than someone who asks for donations in Services after making only 3 posts (https://loyce.club/archive/members/143/1432468.html) in 2021.

Mods always have a choice. I reported the topic 10 days ago, and it took this long to be deleted. Or maybe more people reported it since then.

Would you consider it begging if the topic would have been created by a Newbie who made 3 posts this year?

Jeez I didn't hear about any of that and I'm certainly glad to hear things worked out.

Not only what you said but that is one of the most justified, documented and noble pleas for donations I've ever seen on the forum.

I also reported it 10 days ago, and the report remained unhandled until recently.

My guess is that several mods decided against removing the thread, and another mod was handling older reports and decided to remove the thread.

I do agree that the no begging rule should be enforced more evenly, or clarified to be acceptable under certain circumstances. There has been a number of established forum members over the years that have been able to have threads open that amounted to begging.

Somebody suggested you to contact Royse777 for this, did you ask him?
I saw that irfan_pak10 was also ready to help you out, did you talk to him?
Why didn't you go to the local fundraising programs which could help you by verifying this for you and making the documents publicly available about your Uncle's situation?
You must have gathered something till now if you had done any of these.

I agree, because why would established forum members be allowed to "beg" but not others?  And even though I pose that question, I know damn well that a member here who's got a good reputation and appears to be asking for donations for something is likely to be legitimate in his/her request than someone who just registered here and created a thread with some sob story and asking for money.

I'd prefer clarification as to what's considered "begging" as opposed to equal enforcement, because I think it ought to be allowed to ask for donations for things like that biliary atresia surgery but not "Im poor, plz donate to [insert bitcoin addy here]" and there's a big difference between the two--and yet both can be considered begging.

If a forum about magical internet money would allow anyone to ask for money, that would open the spam flood gates. By letting highly established members slip through the rules, it doesn't cause any spam. I think reporting infofront's topic would have been a real dick move, even though it might be against the rules.

Admin doesn't believe in strict rules, but here's an example of a project that isn't considered begging:

Don't mean in an offensive way but maybe the local fundraising will not fulfill the amount they require for their father's surgery mostly because the country or state not doing financially well.

OP:
If you aren't lying about your father then I hope you raise the funds even if it means you've to show proof of his Clinic reports.

If you're lying then I hope people around you see you for the person you truly are.

Bitcoin is for everyone, that's I believe.

I received two PM from OP. One on the 20th and another one on 30th (yesterday), both were addressing shasan. There are some images of files too. Since the papers has local language, shasan or anyone else (if OP knows anyone in the forum) who speaks the language can confirm the authenticity. Hhampuz and me do not have any obligation, in fact we feel sorry about the situation. We are still waiting for shasan to light us.

That bold part. We all know how it works. We also see newbie made their first post asking for loan without collateral. You can make a conclusion easily. But when we are funding for COVID-19, or donating to a community in Africa, helping kids for biliary atresia surgery - we are showing a great virtue as a community. This is what makes the community a great place.

The things are worrying me more than anything else is that someone is asking to save their relative, but we all are busy figuring out what should be reported and what should not or who are allowed to ask for donation and who are not. I just checked the address and it has received nothing yet. Is this what we are?

I will be sending around $100 in a few days from my personal fund, it's fine for me to follow my instinct. Once you have someone to verify the authenticity of your images, we can help you from COVID-19 fund.

I don’t think one should judge whether someone is honest or not just because they have 3 posts this year - unless you think the account has changed hands in the meantime. Newbie accounts are a whole other story, and of course, I would react differently based on what I’ve already written above.

Yet if OP history is taken into account, I can understand that there is a certain amount of distrust towards his actions.

Topic deleted with good reason.
I suspect in anyone who asks for donation for anything especially if he was inactive in forum all year, but that doesn't mean that donations are impossible for good projects with right cause.
I remember that 1miau was making a project to help with food and making rice farms in Philippines, but he was not begging for anything.

Anyone who is a member of Bitcointalk for few years or more should remember what happened with case of Bruno Kucinskas aka Phinnaeus Gage aka Gleb Gamow.
Remember what happened last year with hospital, sickness, funeral, compromised account asking for donations, etc...

I am not claiming anything, but this should also be noted:
https://i.imgur.com/j2TXIXf.jpg
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=1432468

OP's Facebook profile picture is of a retard. Due to environmental factors or by birth, Till now everyone making those poses during their photoshoot are born retards in my experience.

I won't be surprised if the OP is lying like dkbit98's post mentions cheekiness in their behavior.
Also, it wouldn't be hard for them to fake the documents of reports, If I'm not wrong then Bruno's ID was compromised severely.

Agreed: I didn't use the "3 posts"-argument to prove dishonesty, I used it because it shows OP is not an active community member (anymore).

See In the process of willingly locking mdayonliner [locked: Password inside] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135318.0) followed by Re-join and hello to all! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5293217.0).

On a personal level I gave credibility to infofront and donated to his cause and did not give credibility to mdayonliner, but not only for that. Infofront made a thread with all kinds of explanations and evidence that made their cause credible, while in mdayonliner's I didn't see any of that and what I did see is negative trust and little activity in the forum (which I agree shouldn't in itself take away credibility from someone, but seen in conjunction with the other facts doesn't help at all).


Precisely because, sadly, many scammers take advantage of this type of solidarity causes to swindle people, if I have the slightest doubt that I am going to be cheated I do not donate.

We are talking about what is reported or not, mainly because we do not believe the story of the OP. You can follow your instinct but for me to donate I have to be really sure that it is a legitimate project.

I do not need the money anymore. Please suggest me a charity to forward the BTC in the donation address.

Maybe this will help ...  ;)

[1] The Tor Project / https://blockchair.com/donut/tor-project
[2] Pirate Chain / https://blockchair.com/donut/piratechain
[3] WikiLeaks + Don’t Extradite Assange Campaign / https://blockchair.com/donut/wikileaks
[4] Spread crypto in Africa! / https://blockchair.com/donut/kryptosphere
[5] In case you are a liberal / https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284654.msg56053574#msg56053574

I can also offer you something individual ... contact me if you are interested in non-profit activities within the framework of the forum.

I would be cautious sending money towards Wikileaks and their "cause" of freeing Assange. Check out this thread of a guy who donated $5.000 instead of $50. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5371435.40) He was trying to get hold of someone to tell them about his mistake. He has been unsuccessful so far. Besides that, someone who is in some way connected to one of the Telegram groups accepting donations advised him that he can create his own campaign and accept donations! Who knows which of those activities are genuine and which ones are for filling some scammer pockets.

This is the first time I hear about this incident ... whatever it was, it seemed to me for some reason that this was not an advertising tab, and that https://blockchair.com should check the published data.

The only thing I would probably care about if I wanted to donate to Assange's support is that I would use a mixer, (in my country the secret services are not very friendly towards this kind of donation, simply adding such non-profit foundations to the register of undesirable organizations).

Questions were raised on the forum how canibalism13 and his team used the funds donated to their donation, but is anyone asking what does WikiLeaks or those representing themselves as WikiLeaks do with the money that is supposedly donated to support Assange? Are they transparent with the money that is spent?

I think Julian Assange will be extradited to the US sooner or later. They have such a hardon for him that they aren't going to let him slip away. Those who really want to help, should better contact the team that legally represents him - Birnberg Peirce Solicitors (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/julian-assange-high-court-lawyers-westminster-magistrates-court-royal-courts-of-justice-b1981596.html). Ask them how to help...

https://i.ibb.co/S5xkqxt/fundsrise.jpg

I know it's not a huge amount, but I thought it would be more than enough to buy 2 sets of school uniforms for the needy children where I live. But I don't want to make a personal request for a charity fund because I'm sure there are other charities that deserve it more. Last year I bought them clothes for Eid celebrations, they were happy to get them and I was happy to give them happiness. Personally I prefer to give charity individually rather than having to give it to a particular charity because I can see the happiness of the recipient of that charity right in front of my face.

Man, this is a bit of a shock to me.  I can recall when minerjones had a family member with a house fire and everyone lined up to donate funds to his family.  There were even several threads made about it like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1565089.0

(Out of curiosity, how do people feel about their BTC donations now?  Curious if people ever ask about the ROI the way they do for donations made to NastyFans or what people think about minerjones deleting his posts on these threads (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1565089.msg15706358#msg15706358) as if his requests for charity never happened (https://i.imgur.com/WlPNhOc.jpg).)

I always find it odd how the community rallies around one person to give them funds, but then demonizes another for the same thing while trashing donations made to community organizations.  Sadly, I think it mostly depends on whether or not your trust list contains the right manipulators.

I'm not in support of this , why?
@loyceV has made valid proves that OP is not an active member and for this reason, he shouldn't request for help in here.
Maybe he's always busy somewhere else with something so he doesn't really have time to log on the forum but these is still non of our business....
 If everyone stayed outta the forum and always claimed being busy, will this place be lively at all; just imagine how it will look like ....
 If he's very eager for help, then he should drop pics of hospital reports and we'll be sure of what we're donating for, that's if anyone wants to help because we still have many peeps around that are going through alot more worst than health issues and still keep it to themselves.... Maybe someone might be of help but let the right thing be done

when looking into this statement it's relating like you are soliciting for financial encouragement and elevation and in which i know vividly that community don't normally render support such kind of problem or issues, is not that it's implemented in law or rules and regulations of the forum, some people might seen it as avenue dupe someone

That's the same point i made above, the system of the community has changed because many people are taking chances with that, at times some people will frame story and present to extort some funds from people, so, nobody wants to believe such blackmail.

Make a thread about it and post a Bitcoin address. Please make sure you will have receipts of the purchases and other sorts of proves that it went to the kids. I wouldn't ask if I was not seeing this today (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5376475.0).

No, they're probably not doing that at all, but Wikileaks might not be the kind of organization that would be expected to provide a tally of every dime spent, nor are the donators (IMO) the type of people who would expect that of them.  That said, I don't know a great deal about WikiLeaks except for what's made the news, so take my opinion for what it's worth. 

Questions were raised about Cabalism13 et al's charity because yahoo62278 had some suspicions that there was something shady going on, and either his intuition or his familiarity with their project turned out to be correct.  And, I might add, this forum's members have had a long history of scamming with crypto and what turned out to be a harsh grilling originally started out with some simple questions which were posed very politely.  I think if anyone had suspicions or evidence that Wikileaks was misusing donated funds, it wouldn't go unchallenged.

Is that a donation address you posted or donations you received?  It's probably me, but I don't quite get what you were trying to say by posting that screenshot.

Fine, I'll create a thread at your request specifically. Maybe you can tell me where to start or would it be better if you created this thread in a service and I'll answer you there?

It was the mdayonliner donation address attached to his signature. I just wanted to see the amount of donations he received where he wanted to donate back to charity because he said he no longer needed the money.

I did not hear from you and in the mean time found a worthy charity to donate. Sorry, could not help. I hope the funds will have better use. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year 2022.

Goodbye!