No begging - did I catch on rule #7

[mdayonliner]

Few days ago I had a topic on Service section. It was about getting some financial help for my uncle.
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I have read few topics about financial support. In fact, in one appeal I personally donated but kept it anonymous, I would like it that way. Those past history inspired me to try the community. I am not sure what changed now. Hopefully there will be a response about it.

Thanks.

[suchmoon]

So the topic got deleted? It's not clear from your post.

If it did get deleted (for begging presumably) then reposting it in Meta is not a particularly bright idea and makes you look even more like a beggar. Edit this thread to make it a proper Meta topic/complaint. Only repost your original topic if your complaint is resolved to your favor, and do so on the correct board.

[mdayonliner]

Let me know if any of it looks begging now other than a proper meta topic.

[suchmoon]

Let me know if any of it looks begging now other than a proper meta topic.

You're still not saying what happened to your topic (mod deleted?) and what your complaint is (you think you didn't break rule #7 because...).

"Others did it too" is not a valid excuse, perhaps nobody reported those other topics.

[PrimeNumber7]

The OPs thread was moved to the trashcan. Begging is not allowed. I'm sorry for your Uncle's situation.

[Poker Player]

I posted in the "begging" thread as it can be seen in the archived thread.

I'm curious, if it was deleted, to know the explanation, as it doesn't seem very different from the others I've seen, like this one from infofront, in which I myself donated:

Donations to Provide Funding for Biliary Atresia Surgery for Infant [SUCCESS]

[Lucius]

I'm curious, if it was deleted, to know the explanation, as it doesn't seem very different from the others I've seen, like this one from infofront, in which I myself donated:

Donations to Provide Funding for Biliary Atresia Surgery for Infant [SUCCESS]

I think that in this particular case there is a difference - the topic you are referring to is in the Off-topic and therefore has much less exposure than in the Service board. Someone reported the topic and the mod had no choice but to follow the rules of the forum.

I will just say that I personally saw this topic, but I did not report it because it did not seem to me to be about begging.

[LoyceV]

it doesn't seem very different from the others I've seen, like this one from infofront, in which I myself donated:

Donations to Provide Funding for Biliary Atresia Surgery for Infant [SUCCESS]

I'd say a well-known WO-regular with a topic in Off-topic deserves a bit more credit than someone who asks for donations in Services after making only 3 posts in 2021.

Someone reported the topic and the mod had no choice but to follow the rules of the forum.

Mods always have a choice. I reported the topic 10 days ago, and it took this long to be deleted. Or maybe more people reported it since then.

I did not report it because it did not seem to me to be about begging.

Would you consider it begging if the topic would have been created by a Newbie who made 3 posts this year?

[nutildah]

it doesn't seem very different from the others I've seen, like this one from infofront, in which I myself donated:

Donations to Provide Funding for Biliary Atresia Surgery for Infant [SUCCESS]

I'd say a well-known WO-regular with a topic in Off-topic deserves a bit more credit than someone who asks for donations in Services after making only 3 posts in 2021.

Jeez I didn't hear about any of that and I'm certainly glad to hear things worked out.

Not only what you said but that is one of the most justified, documented and noble pleas for donations I've ever seen on the forum.

[PrimeNumber7]

Someone reported the topic and the mod had no choice but to follow the rules of the forum.

Mods always have a choice. I reported the topic 10 days ago, and it took this long to be deleted. Or maybe more people reported it since then.

I also reported it 10 days ago, and the report remained unhandled until recently.

My guess is that several mods decided against removing the thread, and another mod was handling older reports and decided to remove the thread.

I do agree that the no begging rule should be enforced more evenly, or clarified to be acceptable under certain circumstances. There has been a number of established forum members over the years that have been able to have threads open that amounted to begging.

[2double0]

Somebody suggested you to contact Royse777 for this, did you ask him?
I saw that irfan_pak10 was also ready to help you out, did you talk to him?
Why didn't you go to the local fundraising programs which could help you by verifying this for you and making the documents publicly available about your Uncle's situation?
You must have gathered something till now if you had done any of these.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I do agree that the no begging rule should be enforced more evenly, or clarified to be acceptable under certain circumstances. 

I agree, because why would established forum members be allowed to "beg" but not others?  And even though I pose that question, I know damn well that a member here who's got a good reputation and appears to be asking for donations for something is likely to be legitimate in his/her request than someone who just registered here and created a thread with some sob story and asking for money.

I'd prefer clarification as to what's considered "begging" as opposed to equal enforcement, because I think it ought to be allowed to ask for donations for things like that biliary atresia surgery but not "Im poor, plz donate to [insert bitcoin addy here]" and there's a big difference between the two--and yet both can be considered begging.

[LoyceV]

I agree, because why would established forum members be allowed to "beg" but not others?

If a forum about magical internet money would allow anyone to ask for money, that would open the spam flood gates. By letting highly established members slip through the rules, it doesn't cause any spam. I think reporting infofront's topic would have been a real dick move, even though it might be against the rules.

I'd prefer clarification as to what's considered "begging" as opposed to equal enforcement

Admin doesn't believe in strict rules, but here's an example of a project that isn't considered begging:

0.0679971 BTC donated to Royse777's Project Covid-19

[worldofcoins]

Why didn't you go to the local fundraising programs which could help you by verifying this for you and making the documents publicly available about your Uncle's situation?

Don't mean in an offensive way but maybe the local fundraising will not fulfill the amount they require for their father's surgery mostly because the country or state not doing financially well.

OP:
If you aren't lying about your father then I hope you raise the funds even if it means you've to show proof of his Clinic reports.

If you're lying then I hope people around you see you for the person you truly are.

[AB de Royse777]

Bitcoin is for everyone, that's I believe.

I received two PM from OP. One on the 20th and another one on 30th (yesterday), both were addressing shasan. There are some images of files too. Since the papers has local language, shasan or anyone else (if OP knows anyone in the forum) who speaks the language can confirm the authenticity. Hhampuz and me do not have any obligation, in fact we feel sorry about the situation. We are still waiting for shasan to light us.

I think it ought to be allowed to ask for donations for things like that biliary atresia surgery but not "Im poor, plz donate to [insert bitcoin addy here]" and there's a big difference between the two--and yet both can be considered begging.

That bold part. We all know how it works. We also see newbie made their first post asking for loan without collateral. You can make a conclusion easily. But when we are funding for COVID-19, or donating to a community in Africa, helping kids for biliary atresia surgery - we are showing a great virtue as a community. This is what makes the community a great place.

The things are worrying me more than anything else is that someone is asking to save their relative, but we all are busy figuring out what should be reported and what should not or who are allowed to ask for donation and who are not. I just checked the address and it has received nothing yet. Is this what we are?

I will be sending around $100 in a few days from my personal fund, it's fine for me to follow my instinct. Once you have someone to verify the authenticity of your images, we can help you from COVID-19 fund.

[Lucius]

I'd say a well-known WO-regular with a topic in Off-topic deserves a bit more credit than someone who asks for donations in Services after making only 3 posts in 2021.

Would you consider it begging if the topic would have been created by a Newbie who made 3 posts this year?

I don’t think one should judge whether someone is honest or not just because they have 3 posts this year - unless you think the account has changed hands in the meantime. Newbie accounts are a whole other story, and of course, I would react differently based on what I’ve already written above.

Yet if OP history is taken into account, I can understand that there is a certain amount of distrust towards his actions.

[dkbit98]

Topic deleted with good reason.
I suspect in anyone who asks for donation for anything especially if he was inactive in forum all year, but that doesn't mean that donations are impossible for good projects with right cause.
I remember that 1miau was making a project to help with food and making rice farms in Philippines, but he was not begging for anything.

Anyone who is a member of Bitcointalk for few years or more should remember what happened with case of Bruno Kucinskas aka Phinnaeus Gage aka Gleb Gamow.
Remember what happened last year with hospital, sickness, funeral, compromised account asking for donations, etc...

I am not claiming anything, but this should also be noted:

https://bpip.org/Profile?id=1432468

[SmokerFace]

OP's Facebook profile picture is of a retard. Due to environmental factors or by birth, Till now everyone making those poses during their photoshoot are born retards in my experience.

I won't be surprised if the OP is lying like dkbit98's post mentions cheekiness in their behavior.
Also, it wouldn't be hard for them to fake the documents of reports, If I'm not wrong then Bruno's ID was compromised severely.

[LoyceV]

I don’t think one should judge whether someone is honest or not just because they have 3 posts this year

Agreed: I didn't use the "3 posts"-argument to prove dishonesty, I used it because it shows OP is not an active community member (anymore).

I am not claiming anything, but this should also be noted:

See In the process of willingly locking mdayonliner [locked: Password inside] followed by Re-join and hello to all!.

[Poker Player]

I'd say a well-known WO-regular with a topic in Off-topic deserves a bit more credit than someone who asks for donations in Services after making only 3 posts in 2021.

On a personal level I gave credibility to infofront and donated to his cause and did not give credibility to mdayonliner, but not only for that. Infofront made a thread with all kinds of explanations and evidence that made their cause credible, while in mdayonliner's I didn't see any of that and what I did see is negative trust and little activity in the forum (which I agree shouldn't in itself take away credibility from someone, but seen in conjunction with the other facts doesn't help at all).

That bold part. We all know how it works. We also see newbie made their first post asking for loan without collateral. You can make a conclusion easily. But when we are funding for COVID-19, or donating to a community in Africa, helping kids for biliary atresia surgery - we are showing a great virtue as a community. This is what makes the community a great place.

The things are worrying me more than anything else is that someone is asking to save their relative, but we all are busy figuring out what should be reported and what should not or who are allowed to ask for donation and who are not. I just checked the address and it has received nothing yet. Is this what we are?

I will be sending around $100 in a few days from my personal fund, it's fine for me to follow my instinct. Once you have someone to verify the authenticity of your images, we can help you from COVID-19 fund.

Precisely because, sadly, many scammers take advantage of this type of solidarity causes to swindle people, if I have the slightest doubt that I am going to be cheated I do not donate.

We are talking about what is reported or not, mainly because we do not believe the story of the OP. You can follow your instinct but for me to donate I have to be really sure that it is a legitimate project.