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I gather that Austria has implemented a lockdown policy for those who haven't had the pseudo-vaccine. I wonder how this will pan out, and how many other countries will try this. I'm moving into my van full time, so good luck if they try to implement this in the UK. Research seems to be showing that natural immunity provides better, and possibly long term protection, and, of course, it doesn't have the risk of long term damage, and even death that is associated with the pseudo-vaccines. Will governments be able to continue with their health destruction policies as people become more aware of the true situation and associated risks.

I refer to the covid treatment as a pseudo-vaccine as there is a growing body of medical professionals who consider who consider mRNA treatments with required regular boosters as a drug regimen, and not a true preventative vaccine. I gather that they had to change the Merriam-Webster definition of a "vaccine" to include these pseudo-vaccines.

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This is a big exaggeration, will you leave your family to go hide far away. but the vaccine is saving lives, the number of deaths has reduced a lot since the beginning of the pandemic and this is no doubt thanks to the vaccine. I've already taken the vaccine, I confess that the reactions I had on the first day were quite complicated. I had fevers, I felt very cold, in my heart it felt like I was putting a needle and I was very scared.

In our city, people are panicking about the sudden implementation where when you don't have any vaccine card to prove that you are fully vaccinated, you need to bring negative swab test result whenever you go to work and you need to renew it every 1-2 months but the disturbing fact about it is the payment will not be from the company instead it should come from your own wallet. This is how they force people to get vaccinated by not making it mandatory but putting some other rules to force you to be vaccinated.

Sheep herding at it's finest. Scientific data where is it, whitout it you simply have no science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVN3KwDfvI&t=1386s

Thanks for posting, and I would be grateful if you could provide a few details of your experience.
- Did you have a metalic taste on your tongue or in your mouth shortly after the injection?
- Did you take any pharma medication once you realised that the injection had made you ill?
- Do you know if the nurse aspirated the needle before the injection?
- How would you describe your diet and general health?

@Jet Cash, given that it has been proven that vaccines are not nearly as effective as promised, I believe that the measures introduced by EU countries are completely illogical and are a violation of fundamental human freedoms. The person who was vaccinated or overcame the infection receives a certificate valid for 1 year, which is an absolute pass for all state and public administration institutions, and for cinemas, theaters, or shops - while those who do not have this certificate are considered dangerous to society.

It is personally amazing to me that people cannot come to their workplace, enter a post office, or a hospital if they do not agree to be vaccinated with something that is officially still in the experimental vaccine phase. I am not against vaccines, but I am against forcing people to be experimental rats in this way - and many people have unfortunately died from the effects of vaccination or experienced serious health consequences.

We have data from some EU countries that more than 50% of people who received 2 doses ended up in hospitals, which only speaks in favor of vaccines poorly protecting against infection and that vaccinated people have become the main source of infection in the population.

Covid: 54% of hospital patients with virus are fully vaccinated (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-54-of-hospital-patients-with-virus-are-fully-vaccinated-1.4670229)

In Germany, that number is around 44%, and more and more people are wondering how it is possible that so many people became infected compared to last year, when at this time we did not have vaccinated people at all.

That's not true, at all. ~50% of hospitalized patients being the ones who are vaccinated is totally different from what you just said. And also doesn't mean that vaccines are not effective, quite the contrary, because:



If the vaccines were not effective, ~90% of hospitalized patients would be the vaccinated ones (and the total number of hospitalizations obviously would be much higher). The fact that 90% (vaccinated) account for half of hospitalizations and the other ~10% (unvaccinated) account for the other half of hospitalizations shows the effectiveness of the vaccines, i.e. all other things being equal unvaccinated are ~9 times more likely to end up in a hospital with COVID.

#mathishard

The real problems lie with the definitions.

Unvaccinated now means those who are not "fully vaccinated", So if you have one shot and die from the injection, then you are classed as unvaccinated. Similarly, if the first shot messed you up, and you have a weakened immune system as a result, then you may be resistant to further injections. Another factor is the percentage of people with severe health issues, and it is deemed that they should not be vaccinated - they could well die from these co-morbidities.

If fact, the whole issue of statistical analysis and misrepresentation is no so serious that it is difficult to find true facts, and this is why I don't bother to post links. I've spent a lot of time over the last 18 months learning about viruses and virus replication, and the methods of infection and transfer between humans, and almost all of the current government policies are designed to facilitate the spread of the virus, and to increase its disruption in the human body. The simple methods to maintain good health, and to avoid serious consequences from an infection are never mentioned in government propaganda. The reasons are obvious - mouths swabs are a great way to collect dna sample and medical information, and this is sold to the pharma companies. Rubbish paraphernalia provides provides massive profits to a few, and messes up the environment to support their climate change agenda. Lockdowns destroy small businesses and enhance the global enterprises. Rising unemployment and living costs increase the amount of debt, and force more of the population into virtual slavery. Courses of health damaging drug injections leave people dependent on "booster shots", which route massive profits into the coffers of the pharma companies. Even more worrying is the use of particulate injections, and research has been going on for years into the "social" users of these. They can be used to reduce fertility, reduce lifespans, create  drug dependencies, and even for ethnic cleansing. 

Thanks, you saved me from having to explain this exact point yet again!



You'd think that, but here we are.



I infer from this that you are making a distinction between the Covid ('pseudo') vaccines and other (genuine? effective?) vaccines. But I thought you were against all vaccines? I remember having a long discussion with you a while back where you were arguing against the Polio vaccine. I think the 'pseudo' is redundant here.

So there is a lockdown of everyone unvaxxed who are 12 and older?

Here is the vaccination data vs. unvaxxed.

https://twitter.com/SonnyBunch/status/1460622739077799943/photo/1

Lower incident of death associated with the vaccinated group but significantly tapers off the lower your age is. Small difference in death among <30 demographic. And yet they want to vaccinate anyone above 12?

Bump the age limit up, if you're going to do it at all. What sense does it make to tell a child they need to remain locked down when before and after any vaccines, there is almost no risk to Covid19?

From what I see, 65 percent of Austrians are vaxxed, and I'm assuming most of that is for the older demographic. So the only remaining people not vaccinated are probably not high risk anyways.

I think the point is transmission. Most young people suffer mild or no effects. But they can still pass the virus on to more vulnerable people. So it's better that this risk of transmission is reduced.

It's the same reason that we want the vaccine-hesistant people to be vaccinated. And this is why it's not a freedom issue... because your action in not taking the vaccine can kill others.

How about Netherlands? This country enfirced lockdown for all people, including these who already vaccinated. Country which have vaccination rate over 80%... Someone tell ne, then, what's the point of vaccination if you have to sit in lockdown? And how they expect that people will go for vaccine after it?
I think that quite many countries in EU is doing similar things like Austria. Vaccine passports to enter restaurants, bigger shops, cinema, stadium and similar places. In my country unvaccinated people have to make tests every week in order to go to work. And it's not free. In Italy they can sack people from job if they're not unvaccinated. And then they're saying that vaccination isn't mandatory...
Personally, I hate these things and it's difficult to accept what's going on. Look like our society become divided, vaxxers and anti-vaxxers become biggest enemies and they don't accept different opinion.

Still, there has not been any evidence that I can find, no data from anywhere, that indicates children act as significant vectors of transmission. And even if they did, you have the ability to get vaccinated. I couldn't imagine being vaccinated and being afraid of a child. But then again, these people will triple mask when they leave their homes even after being vaccinated because they've been conditioned to listen to media lies instead of looking at the concrete numbers that are out there.

If you're vaccinated you don't have anything to worry about, you're safe. I'd advocate anyone that is worried about Covid to get vaxxed and live their life, not be afraid of an 11 year old giving them Covid, or forcing them to mask up.

A whole lot are giving negative feedbacks about the vaccine, saying it has resulted to more death,I hope it's same,like you've just said ?
No jokes about this,I'm pretty scared of getting vaccinated getting such feedbacks.

'injected' is not equal to 'vaccinated'.  Many whistleblowers from the medical system are saying that almost everyone in their emergency units (and others) have been jabbed.

They are clearly also diagnosing people differently depending on whether they are jabbed or not.  Like defining 'covid' in 'fully vaccinated' people only if a PCR cycle threshold is reasonable (in the 20's) while for un-jabbed people they run the cycle threshold into the 40's which gets mostly false positives.  Never mind that PCR is inappropriate for diagnostics in the first place and is just a tool used to get number on papers to scare the shit out of 'the herd' or to keep the occupancy of the 'quarantine facilities' at what the managers want.

It was pretty obvious even way back in early 2020 when the initial 'vaccine' studies were being done (and proving disastrous if one actually evaluated the available info) that they were going to pass off the damage done by the gene therapy on 'covid waves' and 'virus damage' and the like.  That was one of the reasons for deeming every possible problem known to man as effects of 'SARS-cov-2'.  It's especially useful that the gene therapy turns the victim's body into a spike protein bioweapon factory just as does an infection of the virus itself, or so it is claimed.  That's why the 'authorities' like Gates knew, early on and for sure, that there would be several more 'waves' even though that is never how coronavirus has ever worked in the past.  They had a pretty good idea of when the injections were going to go into the arms.

I think the latest data suggest that children are around half as likely as adults to transmit the virus. However there are certainly clusters of outbreaks in schools, which is not surprising given this is an environment where children are in close proximity to one another all day every day. A decent-sized school with say 1,000 pupils can easily act as a transmission hotspot, even if each individual child is less likely to be contagious than an adult. Particularly when you add in the consideration that of course children - especially younger children - will be less adept at social distancing, etc.



The vaccines are not suitable for everyone. There are vulnerable people who can't take it, people coming from other countries, etc. And you can still catch it if you've been vaccinated, it's just that the chance is reduced, and the symptoms will be less severe. Vaccination is the best solution we have, but can never be 100% perfect.



I don't understand this argument. There is likely a misunderstanding within society due to varying levels of empathy. I've been vaccinated, I wear a mask in public, but I am not worried about myself if I contract the virus. What I don't want to do is to catch it and pass it to someone more vulnerable. Masks are predominantly to protect others from the mask-wearer, not vice versa. Vaccination obviously protects the individual, but this is secondary, the main purpose is to increase immunity within society in order to prevent exponential spread and thus protect everyone. More and more I think this is a question of empathy.

We are all familiar with the term racism. And now we have:

VACCISM

– prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their vaccination status.


New scandal Austrian MP issues vaccination certifiate self. By chance the live camera in parlament focuses on her as she in the middle of national council meeting opens a glass ampoule which she took from the handbag and places the sticker of it on vaccination card.
"Vaccinating" done
https://youtu.be/sxntSErpeQc

But wait it gets better
Explanation by Ms. Himmelbauer:
“Of course, the doctor responsible entered this vaccination in the electronic vaccination card. In addition, because I didn't have my yellow vaccination certificate with me, she gave me the empty vaccine container with the batch number to stick on, which I then did. "
Hang on what? So empty containers need unpacking?

A employee later explained the sticker is for a flu vaccine which she also received before the plenary session.  ;D
In any case, Austria's citizens face up to a year in prison for falsifying vaccination passports!

Sweden to introduce Covid vaccination pass on December 1. It was never about a virus as it does not exist.
Czechs bar unvaccinated from public events services.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/czechs-bar-unvaccinated-public-events-services-2021-11-17/?utm_source=reddit.com

Are you aware of how little the chance is of you, a vaccinated individual, spreading the virus to someone that is A.) not vaccinated B.) doesn't already have natural immunity from previous infection C.) is vulnerable to the virus? The chances are virtually zero for the vast majority of the world, especially that of any developed country where the vaccine is available. You are miscalculating the risk. It doesn't have anything to do with empathy, it's making a mistake in your risk assessment. If I had that much empathy, I wouldn't bother interacting with anyone in society, by chance I may inadvertently cause someone's death, perhaps by spreading a communicable disease like the flu.

Yeah, lobbying hard for kids to become unpaid and unprotected experimental medical test subjects.  That is now 'compassion' in the 'new normal'.

Cunt237 could easily justify in his/her mind using kids as human shields as a 'compassionate' strategy under the theory that the enemy is less likely to bomb and thus everyone is safer.  Not that his/her safety is important of course.  He/she only cares about the old/crippled/minority population...though the facilities for holding the human shields should be situated right by his/her house and government facilities I'm sure.  And the child shields should be highly vaxxed.

Since the vaccine is to prevent life's it will be good for  people to take a vaccine  than to be like  that without  taking  any thing for prevention. Let everyone take for safety, taking this vaccine will reduce the risk of this deadly disease.

You have any scientific evidence to back your junk or are you just repeat tel-lie-vision propaganda?

Pfizer Faces Fresh Allegations of Falsifying COVID-19 Vaccine Data
https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/pfizer-faces-fresh-allegations-of-falsifying-covid-19-vaccine-data/
https://vulms.org/bombshell-pfizer-lied-about-death-count-in-key-covid-vaccine-clinical-trial-fatalities-were-much-higher/

Another positive note, every little steps helps
https://t.me/christineanderson/479

I know a few people who've been vaccinated but have contracted the virus. Their symptoms have been mild, but nevertheless they could easily transmit it. If we were at a stage where everyone was either vaccinated or had natural immunity, then we'd see case numbers dropping rapidly. We're not yet at that stage.



Anti-vaxxers regularly try to frame vaccination as an individual freedom issue. They either can't grasp that viruses pass from person to person (in which case they're all idiots, which I don't think is true), or else they do understand it but just don't care (in which case empathy is certainly a factor).



I'm not sure if this is paranoia or hysteria. Perhaps a little of both? It's difficult trying to debate with someone who holds such creative beliefs.



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It's only been that way for a couple million years in the case of hominids.  It's called 'being alive'.  When all the fearmongering is washed away it turns out that whatever 'covid' is, it's barely on par with influenza if even that.  Quite a far cry from the '4-6% mortality' scare stories they were peddling when they said we need 'two weeks to flatten the curve', and _vastly_ less than the seasonal flu for kids.  Not exactly the 'biggest pandemic in a century' as per the original fear-porn marketing.

Italy quietly dropped their covid death count from like 54,000 to like 3500 the other day when no one was looking.  The original included pretty much everyone who died of anything.  Who knew...other than those of us who bothered to look.

Remind me again of why it is critical for kids to sacrifice their heart health and God knows what else while shouldering all the risk and getting no compensation to test out an experimental gene therapy for the pharma companies and patent holders in the DOH?

I saw this post somewhere and had it copy/pasted because it sounded interesting but looking at it now the person who wrote it may have been predicting closely what is beginning to happen now.Please requote it anywhere on threads where it may be helpful to even one poor soul in the future.I cannot repost it all over the place because it is against rules to do this I think but not for different people to do it at one time only maybe. Please help spread this message and don't be afraid of ridicule.Try to help even these people before it is too late.Unfortunately I have only the 1 sendable merit to give this thread. Thank you friends.

Weird. Looks like they've now quietly raised it back up to 120,000 when no-one was looking.  ::)

I may as well post the second chart, too, in anticipation of the familiar "they didn't die of Covid, it was something else" argument.

https://i.imgur.com/JX1pmyw.jpg
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/italy
https://i.imgur.com/qCjLeWR.jpg
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

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All anti-vaxxer arguments are faith-based, at least you're being open about it. I don't think the 'mark of the beast' argument is any different to a 5G/Bill Gates/population reduction/the-elites-trying-to-take-control-despite-the-fact-that-they-already-have-control arguments.

Italy did have a spike up in week 14 (April 5) of 2020 because the intubation worked so well and killed 90% of participants. Other than that massive excess deaths are absent. How does Luxemburg with very small percent double shot avoiding the pandemic? (more than 70% got shot once)
What happend with the we run out of ventilators?
https://i.ibb.co/n39tgDQ/Untitled.jpg (https://ibb.co/9w6S8qy)
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Prophylaxis is an action or treatment given to prevent infection or a disease. Vaccines are intended to be prophylaxis, and not designed to be cures. In fact vaccination of an infected patient can cause viral mutations, and this explains the massive increase in the number of Covid variants, The continuation of the pandemic is the result of vaccination, and not from the unvaccinated spreading the disease.

If governments really wanted to stop the spread of the virus, they would encourage and publicise the benefits of Vitamin "D", zinc and other minerals. They could attack obesity, smoking, drug ( recreational and pharmaceutical) abuse, the re-inhalation of excrement from wearing face masks, and all of the other measures that are known to prolong the life of the virus and inhibit recovery.

It would also be helpful if "cases", "infections", "Covid deaths", "vulnerabilities", and "co-morbidities" were defined.

I can see how monoclonal antibody injection could be beneficial, and it would be useful if more information could be provided on this. This is probably unlikely, as it doesn't lock people into a lifetime of drug dependency.

The world turns so irrational when:
- Vaccine Antibody booster doesn't give you immunity.
- People die with covid = die because of covid, you can get stabbed to death and still count as "covid death" if you tested positive.
- Can't go to certain locations, can't get public services if you aren't vaccinated injected with antibody booster.

I agree with the title as "this thing" shouldn't be called a vaccine. Spin it all you want but if there is no immunity, there is no vaccine.

'our world in data' is a fake news propaganda organ of Gates and associated other 'great reset' climate scammers.  It exists specifically for people like you.

  https://ourworldindata.org/funding (https://ourworldindata.org/funding)

The 3500 is people who died with only what they were calling 'covid', and even then it was based on mis-use of PCR with cycle thresholds set up into the 95% false positive rate by fraudsters who wrote up the procedure around the time they were getting the plandemic hoax going in the first place.  The dog seems to have eaten this fraudster's PhD thesis:

  https://principia-scientific.com/christian-drosten-the-fraud-behind-covid-19-pcr-testing/ (https://principia-scientific.com/christian-drosten-the-fraud-behind-covid-19-pcr-testing/)

I especially like the part about how if they don't have the virus they want to test for handy when creating the 'PCR test', they can cook up a substitute from computer code.  Good work if you can find it.

Okay. This is turning into a new Flat Earth thread. Presumably we'd have been on opposing sides in that debate, too.

I'm a "pro vaxxer," only not in the traditional sense. People should make their decision on whether or not they want the Covid vax. There are a lot of people that need it and could benefit from it, and there are people that really don't need it. We don't have long term data, and it's good be skeptical. This is an affront to the pro Covid vaxxer crowd it seems. The aforementioned freedom of choice isn't so controversial if we're talking abortion, it transforms when it comes to choices and vaccination.

And so, when the risks are all calculated, the fact remains -- young people do not need the vaccine. Very old people do need the vaccine. If you're in the middle, make up your mind depending on your immune system, underlying conditions, etc.

Probably.  Anyone who would fall for the scamdemic is likely fall for the flat-earth and climate change hoaxes as well if a 'scientist' said so.  Totally taken in by scientism.

There is no doubt that, back in the day, I would have been the guy saying that it is not necessary to give your kid to the high priest to sacrifice on the pyramid in order for the next growing season to come.  95% of the peeps would think I was crazy and dangerous, and you'd obviously be right there in the pack.

Get your facts straight. It is not a pseudo vaccine, it is a gene therapy. They'll have to back pedal again anyways. The reaction against these therapies are bigger than they originally expected. That also must be the reason why we are starting to see those newly invented covid pills. They must have realized that some people will never ever get these m-RNA therapies and the world won't stay in lockdown forever so they had to "invent" the real cure faster.

In a year or two there will be many different covid pills to choose from probably and nobody will remember them r-RNA vaccines again.

The pills are already here, many are just going through the trials and could be available to the public market within months if they end up being safe and get passed by the oversight organizations that deal with public health in whatever country needs the therapeutics.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-govt-buy-10-mln-courses-pfizers-covid-19-pill-529-bln-2021-11-18/

Pfizer has their own pill the US signed a contract for. I don't remember the active ingredient but it's not anything new from what I remember. 89 effectiveness in reducing hospitalization or death, that is higher than some vaccines.

Refuse a $20 vaccine for a tenfold chance to give $500 to Big Pharma... can't wait for the usual suspects to bake a pretzel about this.

If they refuse the vaccine that's on them, but if it'll save someone's life, 500 USD is a small price to pay (or whatever it might cost).

And most of the anti-vaxxers are mostly concerned about long term effects that haven't been well studied. Only to someone that the vaccine wouldn't benefit too greatly, a healthy person, this serves as an alterative only in the event they get sick + severe infection. Most of the folks that need the vax are already vaxed.

Vaccine + pill + other therapeutics means the world should go back to normal and leave Covid in the past. I'm cautiously optimistic.

It's literally in the title of the article you posted ($5b for 10m treatments).

Merck version (which does things to RNA so that's gonna be another tasty anti-vax pretzel) is ~$700 per treatment.

And will the consumer pay 500 USD? Or will it be subsidized? So point remains, $500 or less is a small price to pay.

I don't know what the active ingredient for Merck's pill is, but even if it does involve RNA, if they'd rather die than take the pill that is on them, just like the vaccine is. Supposedly all the doctors and nurses say people beg for the vaccine once they get a severe case of Covid and the medical staff gleefully lets the patient, and the media apparently, know it's too late. So I think they won't have any issues accepting treatment.

Those onces that don't want to take vaccine is of their own health risky, taking vaccine is to protect yourself from any transmitted virus that can not see with nake eye, and i notice that this vaccine is not only for this bad viru that configured the society.

You just flat out make things up, not even your Fauci god will back you up and that junk.
The virus is even visible with the naked eye, you just need to look and will see the corruption virus plaging the world.

Once Communism is in place it takes generations to get rit of the parasite.
https://amp.dw.com/en/covid-austria-announces-lockdown-and-vaccine-mandate/a-59873499
With the scam test  you can implement any policy as you can generate any number of "infected" you like. High numbers one week look-downs, oh look miracle it works we have low numbers.

It's definitely good to be skeptical, and yes it is a risk-balancing exercise. But it just comes back to the point that a person's decision to take or not take the vaccine affects others, not just themselves. If it was the case that young people couldn't pass the virus on to old people, then "young people do not need the vaccine" would be a valid argument. But it isn't, so it's not.


You make the comparison of the pro-vaxx side of the side argument to a religion, as if we're the side that relies on a faith-based argument. And yet we're the ones presenting the data.
You also often say that the pro-vaxx side believes whatever the government tells them. I don't believe anything my government says; they're a bunch of self-serving sociopaths.

You are unusually stupid today. When you are the last person running around showing the data, then come back for more. The New Year will be ushering in so many vaccine deaths that there won't be enough people to report them all. But those that do will be unvaxxed.


Only PUREBLOODS will survive the vaccine / radiation holocaust being unleashed against humanity… the spike protein in vaccines causes genetic DISINTEGRATION (https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-11-19-only-purebloods-will-survive-the-vaccine-radiation-holocaust.html)




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It is so weird to me that people think the government even has the capability to "lockdown" those who haven't had the vaccine.  I can tell you that there is absolutely nothing to government could do to stop me if I want to go outside.  I mean this completely literally.  It's weird that while being faced with the truth that they can't do anything about citizens who don't want the vaccine they still think they wield some sort of power over these people's choices.  They've become so comfortable abusing their power, they don't realize that they have none over people's choices.

That's because it is exactly what is happening.  You cannot see it just as the majority of the Jonestown cultists could not.  Too 'immersed'.  It's also known as 'cannot see the forest for the trees.'


You have a faith-based allegiance to 'the numbers' with no clue how they came into your awareness.

We already have a 'fascist' dictatorship using the term as Mussolini defined it.  'Corporations' already own the 'governments' in almost every country that they care even a little bit about, and I mean that literally regardless of whether you are a commonwealther, and EU, a US, an Israeli, a Chinese, an Indonesian, etc.  'The numbers' you are seeing come straight from your controllers through 'hired hands' called the government.  You can feel good about yourself by 'hating the govt' and go around them (to 'our world in data' for instance), but the numbers you are getting are from the same source.

its not 50% of vaccinated people end up in hospital.. because ireland (5mill pop) has a 92% vaccination rate. and i guarantee you of the 4.6mill vaccinated.. 2.3million of them have not been sent to hospital

what you are finding is that covid during lockdown pre vaccine only had a 0.2-0.6% per week population infected with covid. as restrictions relaxed this went upto 2%
(shows self isolation did work to dampen the spread)

so lets take this 100,000 infected people per week(2% whole population).
unvaccinated has a 15% hospitalisation rate
and so if 8% are unvaccinated.. thats 8000 unvaccinated and infected.
meaning 1200 unvaccinated hospitalised(15% of the 8%)

as for the other 92,000 vaccinated infected only 1.3% hospitalisation rate also would equate to 1200 vaccinated hospitalisations .. meaning 50% of all hospitalisations

proving that the vaccine is over 90% effective. because the vaccinated population is only a 1.3% hospital risk instead of a 15%

do you get it yet.
unvaccinated people are in low population but have high risk rate.
vaccinated people are in high population with low risk rate

so maybe try to include the math of how much general population is vaccinated vs unvaccinated when trying to deal with the hospital stats so that you have context

This is the BADecker argument of 'you didn't gather the data yourself, first-hand, therefore it's all false'. Are there any data you trust? What is the source? I would argue that ourworldindata are quite transparent in their funding and their sources. You imply that the data are from a single source, when that is clearly not the case. Sources for the Covid-19 data are listed here (https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19). You can then go back to each country and check the multiple sources of their own data. It's stretching credibility somewhat to suggest that all of these people, from countries all around the world, are working together in some vast conspiracy.




I do struggle to tell you and tvbcof apart, but here I think we have a distinction. I had no idea what you meant by 'PUREBLOODS', until I looked it up...


I am not remotely surprised that you believe you are a wizard. It is no coincidence that tin-foil hats are pointy.

This happens to be one place where BADecker and I are seemingly in perfect alignment.  'Pureblood' is simple and obvious and anyone who is not trying to be deliberately dense should see it without help.  Someone who's had their cells re-programmed by whatever code Big Phrama has decided is not a 'pureblood'.  Someone who has not it is a 'pureblood'.  (The FDA is trying to keep the details of the genetic modification secret for over half a century interestingly enough.)

The only question would be people who were GMO'd without their knowledge and against their will via self-spreading gene therapies, 'covid pills', 'vaccine veggies', atmospheric spraying, etc.  I have to say that in my mind they (or 'we') are NOT 'pureblood' in the real world just because of the nature of science.  Hopefully 'we' will at least be less impacted than the drooling tards who lined up for their modification.  Maybe 'spiritually' or legally we will be 'a pureblood' as well for whatever that ends up being worth.

and lets clear up some thing..
the badecker NHEJ of the spike causing cancer claim

so fact is
the full length spike of THE VIRUS can mess with cell damage repair. not the s1 s2 spike of a vaccine.
so vaccines dont cause cancer [side note, risk only for a few cell life cycles]

wow that was an easy badecker debunk

secondly having the vaccine as the 'first infection' to teach the body how to fight means that non cancer risking method to teach antibodies is even now by badeckers prompt proved to be safer than someone that gets infected by covid as first infection.

so even more reason to get a vaccine. so body can then, when getting covid after vaccine can fight covid fast and not get covid to a point where its messing with cell nucleus.

yep vaccine first then covid means covid will be battled off before it gets into the cells to cause as much damage compared to people who get covid unvaccinated

also badecker is revealing that covid is more dangerous than the flu and more dangerous than the vaccine.. so thanks badecker you mentioning the NHEJ and people actually reading the real research from source have now learned that

the only way badecker can be a pure blood. is to remain a virgin living in a sheltered accommodation with no visitors and eating only food he produces in his own personal greenhouse with purification equipment. and only water sourced from a purified. meaning living in a bubble to never ever get infected by anything

i originally thought badecker was a darwinian of only the strongest survived, but adding in his holy beliefs i now see he is 'only the virgins survive'

If Moderna et-al have incorporated some of Epstein's genes into their gene therapy, and the gene therapy infects the germ cells, than one could classify those who somehow avoided the inserts as 'virgins.'

This is relevant because Jeff Epstein had a dream of 'seeding future humanity' with his own genetics, and it is certainly anticipatable that there was space to include the pals he was hob-knobing around with in the genetic inserts.  That would be the likes of Bill Gates, Alan Deshowitz, Ehud Barak, and a fair number of people who are at the cutting edge of genetics science and tied into the new gene therapy 'vaccines' and the design of the spike protein bioweapon which is found in both SARS-cov-2 and the injections being mandated.  Epstein clearly 'befriended' these people for a reason.

If indeed some games along these lines are in play, and if 'humanity' decides to stamp out any residuals of these creep's genetic lineage (through something like, say, forced sterilization), then yes, it could be the case that only the 'virgins' survive long term.

I've also mentioned it in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if one account was related to the other. There's no point in arguing, period. Every data source is wrong except their conspiracy websites, no matter what statistics they are shown, they'll just brush it off by saying that the data is manipulated by governments and Bill Gates.

On the other hand, it's funny to see that BADecker is referring to the bible fairy tale in other posts.

You guys are straying from the main point of this thread. Vaccines are a prophylactic, that means they are intended to prevent disease before exposure to the infection. Traditional medical opinion has always been that vaccines should not be given to people with antibodies resulting from a prior infection. This established concept is being breached by the current draconian policies. You should also consider the fact that vaccines work with the natural immune system, and can never create a superior protection to that gained from recovery from infection without their use. In fact it is well established that vaccinating a person with existing antibodies can cause the compromising of their immune system, and can lead to the creation of variants that a more destructive than those caused by evolutionary drift.

I would also like to point out once again the mRNA injections are not vaccines, but are a drug induced dependence on pharmaceuticals. Also, you should reflect on the fact that all of the government policies are designed to spread infection, and to slow recovery from the disease. Breathing your own excrement as a result of wearing face masks is just one example. Locking people indoors to reduce exposure to the sun and to encourage obesity and drunkenness is another.

The problem is that at this point most people on both sides of the fence understand all of these things.  Nobody on either side gives a fuck because most everyone understand that the 'health' aspect of the injection as a charade.  Also we all understand that the 'old rules' about what is OK to do to people in the name of 'science' and social engineering is obsolete and out the window.  The 'Nuremberg Code' with it's quaint objections to medical experiments on unwilling subjects is a footnote in history.  Long gone are the days when 50 peeps dying from a vaccine is a problem as was the case with the 'swine flu' hoax from back in my time.  500,000 would be fine and desirable to some.  People who buy into the climate change scam run by the bankers would be happier if it were closer to 5,000,000,000 because that happens to be what their programmers/propagandizers/priests want to see.

We are now at the phase where everyone who actually matters understands the plandemic as an excuse for something much bigger and associated with economics, political systems, and methods of social control.  I'm quite confident that this applies to most of the 'pro-vaxxers' and 'anti-vaxxers' who've come to know eachother here on this board over the last few years.  Sure, there are some ankle-biters who just learned something new (and wrong) from CNN and spout off here to prove their allegiance (and fairly laughable understandings of 'the science(tm)') but they don't matter much.  We have people who think that the 'one world govt' and '4th industrial revolution' and 'great reset' and generally find-grained instrumentation of all human beings is the way to go, and we have people who do not.  It's just about that simple I believe.

Probably it is past time to shift gears and budget one's energies away from the increasingly obvious negative health impacts and on toward the increasingly obvious bigger goals of the plandemic.  People who drank the cool-aid got the shot and are on the booster train.  People who won't, didn't.

I'd be interested to know if any of the Pharma execs or the political elite have been vaccinated, or injected with the Covid drugs. My suspicion is that they haven't, and any public display is with a placebo. They are funding research into life extension, so they are unlikely to risk any medication that is reputedly shortening lives. It is also interesting to see that the rules for the proles do not apply to the elite. Probably because they haven't been vaccinated, they don't have to bother with social distancing and the enforced re-breathing of their infected excrement.

Austria: €1450 fine for missing the third dose, €3600 for refusal to vaccinate
After admitting that he was not vaccinated and raising concerns over the COVID vaccines, the head of the Styrian Health Insurance University Professor Dr. Karlheinz Tscheliessnigg, a highly regarded specialist for organ transplants and cardiology was forced to step back from his position. Good-by to the elected communist major  (https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/18/communist-elke-kahr-wins-mayor-graz-austria/) he will say. Lockdowns are the heart and soul of communists, no pass no go outside of village.
Some place will be happy to have a highly qualified specialist as a new member. someones loss is somebodys elses gain.
Countries with absurd laws will experience massive wealth and brain drain. What remains is peasant (communist) slaves.

Edit:
He is 75 years old, so will enjoy retirement in some nice place.

The whole plandemic is to condition the population to the idea of a system whereby they have to prove themselves to be loyal uninfected to the  beast with coVid at all times. This will come to an agreeable state for the plebs once they allow a system of proof that no longer requires testing or a vaccine which will be proposed by a "saviour" who will impose a mark whereby it will show physically whether you are positive or negative before you enter a building or public space.

Disclaimer: I could be just some conspiracy nut ;D


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In this third press conference, which took place on 24 Nov. 2021 in the European Parliament in Strasbourg, we explained why the Green Certificate is violating peoples' fundamental rights as well as other related topics.
https://youtu.be/hq55vOwKpTM

Now, MEP Stasys Jakeliūnas a Green party member has joint:
- Cristian Terheş (ECR, RO)  European Christian Political Movement
- Ivan Vilibor Sinčić (NI, HR)  Human Shield party not left or right wing, adhere to humanist values
- Francesca Donato (Italy, NI) Northern League, right-wing, federalist, populist and conservative political party
- Christine Anderson (Germany, ID) Alternative for Germany,  right-wing populist party


So you telling me the essential workers build the Howard Springs Concentration Quarantine camp this in the middle of pandemic?
On the other hand, just maybe, would it be big enough to house all corrupt politician and keep as save from them? (it is made for 850 people )
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