Lockdowns for those who haven't had the pseudo-vaccine.

[Jet Cash]

I gather that Austria has implemented a lockdown policy for those who haven't had the pseudo-vaccine. I wonder how this will pan out, and how many other countries will try this. I'm moving into my van full time, so good luck if they try to implement this in the UK. Research seems to be showing that natural immunity provides better, and possibly long term protection, and, of course, it doesn't have the risk of long term damage, and even death that is associated with the pseudo-vaccines. Will governments be able to continue with their health destruction policies as people become more aware of the true situation and associated risks.

I refer to the covid treatment as a pseudo-vaccine as there is a growing body of medical professionals who consider who consider mRNA treatments with required regular boosters as a drug regimen, and not a true preventative vaccine. I gather that they had to change the Merriam-Webster definition of a "vaccine" to include these pseudo-vaccines.

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[Slow death]

I moving into my van full time, so good luck if they try to implement this in the UK.

 

This is a big exaggeration, will you leave your family to go hide far away. but the vaccine is saving lives, the number of deaths has reduced a lot since the beginning of the pandemic and this is no doubt thanks to the vaccine. I've already taken the vaccine, I confess that the reactions I had on the first day were quite complicated. I had fevers, I felt very cold, in my heart it felt like I was putting a needle and I was very scared.

[yazher]

In our city, people are panicking about the sudden implementation where when you don't have any vaccine card to prove that you are fully vaccinated, you need to bring negative swab test result whenever you go to work and you need to renew it every 1-2 months but the disturbing fact about it is the payment will not be from the company instead it should come from your own wallet. This is how they force people to get vaccinated by not making it mandatory but putting some other rules to force you to be vaccinated.

[Tash]

Sheep herding at it's finest. Scientific data where is it, whitout it you simply have no science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVN3KwDfvI&t=1386s

[Jet Cash]

I confess that the reactions I had on the first day were quite complicated. I had fevers, I felt very cold, in my heart it felt like I was putting a needle and I was very scared.

Thanks for posting, and I would be grateful if you could provide a few details of your experience.
- Did you have a metalic taste on your tongue or in your mouth shortly after the injection?
- Did you take any pharma medication once you realised that the injection had made you ill?
- Do you know if the nurse aspirated the needle before the injection?
- How would you describe your diet and general health?

[Lucius]

@Jet Cash, given that it has been proven that vaccines are not nearly as effective as promised, I believe that the measures introduced by EU countries are completely illogical and are a violation of fundamental human freedoms. The person who was vaccinated or overcame the infection receives a certificate valid for 1 year, which is an absolute pass for all state and public administration institutions, and for cinemas, theaters, or shops - while those who do not have this certificate are considered dangerous to society.

It is personally amazing to me that people cannot come to their workplace, enter a post office, or a hospital if they do not agree to be vaccinated with something that is officially still in the experimental vaccine phase. I am not against vaccines, but I am against forcing people to be experimental rats in this way - and many people have unfortunately died from the effects of vaccination or experienced serious health consequences.

We have data from some EU countries that more than 50% of people who received 2 doses ended up in hospitals, which only speaks in favor of vaccines poorly protecting against infection and that vaccinated people have become the main source of infection in the population.

Covid: 54% of hospital patients with virus are fully vaccinated

In Germany, that number is around 44%, and more and more people are wondering how it is possible that so many people became infected compared to last year, when at this time we did not have vaccinated people at all.

[suchmoon]

We have data from some EU countries that more than 50% of people who received 2 doses ended up in hospitals

That's not true, at all. ~50% of hospitalized patients being the ones who are vaccinated is totally different from what you just said. And also doesn't mean that vaccines are not effective, quite the contrary, because:

Covid: 54% of hospital patients with virus are fully vaccinated

About 90 per cent of the adult population has received a full course of vaccination, either two doses or one. People are considered fully vaccinated one week after their second dose of Pfizer vaccine, or two weeks after receiving any of the other three authorised vaccines.

For every vaccinated person requiring admission to hospital with a breakthrough infection, vaccines avert 10 to 12 other severe infections and hospital admissions, Prof Philip Nolan of the National Public Health Emergency Team estimated last month.

If the vaccines were not effective, ~90% of hospitalized patients would be the vaccinated ones (and the total number of hospitalizations obviously would be much higher). The fact that 90% (vaccinated) account for half of hospitalizations and the other ~10% (unvaccinated) account for the other half of hospitalizations shows the effectiveness of the vaccines, i.e. all other things being equal unvaccinated are ~9 times more likely to end up in a hospital with COVID.

#mathishard

[Jet Cash]

The real problems lie with the definitions.

Unvaccinated now means those who are not "fully vaccinated", So if you have one shot and die from the injection, then you are classed as unvaccinated. Similarly, if the first shot messed you up, and you have a weakened immune system as a result, then you may be resistant to further injections. Another factor is the percentage of people with severe health issues, and it is deemed that they should not be vaccinated - they could well die from these co-morbidities.

If fact, the whole issue of statistical analysis and misrepresentation is no so serious that it is difficult to find true facts, and this is why I don't bother to post links. I've spent a lot of time over the last 18 months learning about viruses and virus replication, and the methods of infection and transfer between humans, and almost all of the current government policies are designed to facilitate the spread of the virus, and to increase its disruption in the human body. The simple methods to maintain good health, and to avoid serious consequences from an infection are never mentioned in government propaganda. The reasons are obvious - mouths swabs are a great way to collect dna sample and medical information, and this is sold to the pharma companies. Rubbish paraphernalia provides provides massive profits to a few, and messes up the environment to support their climate change agenda. Lockdowns destroy small businesses and enhance the global enterprises. Rising unemployment and living costs increase the amount of debt, and force more of the population into virtual slavery. Courses of health damaging drug injections leave people dependent on "booster shots", which route massive profits into the coffers of the pharma companies. Even more worrying is the use of particulate injections, and research has been going on for years into the "social" users of these. They can be used to reduce fertility, reduce lifespans, create  drug dependencies, and even for ethnic cleansing. 

[Cnut237]

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Thanks, you saved me from having to explain this exact point yet again!

If fact, the whole issue of statistical analysis and misrepresentation is no so serious that it is difficult to find true facts

You'd think that, but here we are.

pseudo-vaccine

I infer from this that you are making a distinction between the Covid ('pseudo') vaccines and other (genuine? effective?) vaccines. But I thought you were against all vaccines? I remember having a long discussion with you a while back where you were arguing against the Polio vaccine. I think the 'pseudo' is redundant here.

[Gyfts]

So there is a lockdown of everyone unvaxxed who are 12 and older?

Here is the vaccination data vs. unvaxxed.

https://twitter.com/SonnyBunch/status/1460622739077799943/photo/1

Lower incident of death associated with the vaccinated group but significantly tapers off the lower your age is. Small difference in death among <30 demographic. And yet they want to vaccinate anyone above 12?

Bump the age limit up, if you're going to do it at all. What sense does it make to tell a child they need to remain locked down when before and after any vaccines, there is almost no risk to Covid19?

From what I see, 65 percent of Austrians are vaxxed, and I'm assuming most of that is for the older demographic. So the only remaining people not vaccinated are probably not high risk anyways.

[Cnut237]

What sense does it make

I think the point is transmission. Most young people suffer mild or no effects. But they can still pass the virus on to more vulnerable people. So it's better that this risk of transmission is reduced.

It's the same reason that we want the vaccine-hesistant people to be vaccinated. And this is why it's not a freedom issue... because your action in not taking the vaccine can kill others.

[LTU_btc]

How about Netherlands? This country enfirced lockdown for all people, including these who already vaccinated. Country which have vaccination rate over 80%... Someone tell ne, then, what's the point of vaccination if you have to sit in lockdown? And how they expect that people will go for vaccine after it?
I think that quite many countries in EU is doing similar things like Austria. Vaccine passports to enter restaurants, bigger shops, cinema, stadium and similar places. In my country unvaccinated people have to make tests every week in order to go to work. And it's not free. In Italy they can sack people from job if they're not unvaccinated. And then they're saying that vaccination isn't mandatory...
Personally, I hate these things and it's difficult to accept what's going on. Look like our society become divided, vaxxers and anti-vaxxers become biggest enemies and they don't accept different opinion.

[Gyfts]

What sense does it make

I think the point is transmission. Most young people suffer mild or no effects. But they can still pass the virus on to more vulnerable people. So it's better that this risk of transmission is reduced.

It's the same reason that we want the vaccine-hesistant people to be vaccinated. And this is why it's not a freedom issue... because your action in not taking the vaccine can kill others.

Still, there has not been any evidence that I can find, no data from anywhere, that indicates children act as significant vectors of transmission. And even if they did, you have the ability to get vaccinated. I couldn't imagine being vaccinated and being afraid of a child. But then again, these people will triple mask when they leave their homes even after being vaccinated because they've been conditioned to listen to media lies instead of looking at the concrete numbers that are out there.

If you're vaccinated you don't have anything to worry about, you're safe. I'd advocate anyone that is worried about Covid to get vaxxed and live their life, not be afraid of an 11 year old giving them Covid, or forcing them to mask up.

[D-law]

I moving into my van full time, so good luck if they try to implement this in the UK.

 

This is a big exaggeration, will you leave your family to go hide far away. but the vaccine is saving lives, the number of deaths has reduced a lot since the beginning of the pandemic and this is no doubt thanks to the vaccine. I've already taken the vaccine, I confess that the reactions I had on the first day were quite complicated. I had fevers, I felt very cold, in my heart it felt like I was putting a needle and I was very scared.

A whole lot are giving negative feedbacks about the vaccine, saying it has resulted to more death,I hope it's same,like you've just said ?
No jokes about this,I'm pretty scared of getting vaccinated getting such feedbacks.

[tvbcof]

@Jet Cash, given that it has been proven that vaccines are not nearly as effective as promised, I believe that the measures introduced by EU countries are completely illogical and are a violation of fundamental human freedoms. The person who was vaccinated or overcame the infection receives a certificate valid for 1 year, which is an absolute pass for all state and public administration institutions, and for cinemas, theaters, or shops - while those who do not have this certificate are considered dangerous to society.

It is personally amazing to me that people cannot come to their workplace, enter a post office, or a hospital if they do not agree to be vaccinated with something that is officially still in the experimental vaccine phase. I am not against vaccines, but I am against forcing people to be experimental rats in this way - and many people have unfortunately died from the effects of vaccination or experienced serious health consequences.

We have data from some EU countries that more than 50% of people who received 2 doses ended up in hospitals, which only speaks in favor of vaccines poorly protecting against infection and that vaccinated people have become the main source of infection in the population.

Covid: 54% of hospital patients with virus are fully vaccinated

In Germany, that number is around 44%, and more and more people are wondering how it is possible that so many people became infected compared to last year, when at this time we did not have vaccinated people at all.

'injected' is not equal to 'vaccinated'.  Many whistleblowers from the medical system are saying that almost everyone in their emergency units (and others) have been jabbed.

They are clearly also diagnosing people differently depending on whether they are jabbed or not.  Like defining 'covid' in 'fully vaccinated' people only if a PCR cycle threshold is reasonable (in the 20's) while for un-jabbed people they run the cycle threshold into the 40's which gets mostly false positives.  Never mind that PCR is inappropriate for diagnostics in the first place and is just a tool used to get number on papers to scare the shit out of 'the herd' or to keep the occupancy of the 'quarantine facilities' at what the managers want.

It was pretty obvious even way back in early 2020 when the initial 'vaccine' studies were being done (and proving disastrous if one actually evaluated the available info) that they were going to pass off the damage done by the gene therapy on 'covid waves' and 'virus damage' and the like.  That was one of the reasons for deeming every possible problem known to man as effects of 'SARS-cov-2'.  It's especially useful that the gene therapy turns the victim's body into a spike protein bioweapon factory just as does an infection of the virus itself, or so it is claimed.  That's why the 'authorities' like Gates knew, early on and for sure, that there would be several more 'waves' even though that is never how coronavirus has ever worked in the past.  They had a pretty good idea of when the injections were going to go into the arms.

[Cnut237]

there has not been any evidence that I can find, no data from anywhere, that indicates children act as significant vectors of transmission.

I think the latest data suggest that children are around half as likely as adults to transmit the virus. However there are certainly clusters of outbreaks in schools, which is not surprising given this is an environment where children are in close proximity to one another all day every day. A decent-sized school with say 1,000 pupils can easily act as a transmission hotspot, even if each individual child is less likely to be contagious than an adult. Particularly when you add in the consideration that of course children - especially younger children - will be less adept at social distancing, etc.

And even if they did, you have the ability to get vaccinated.

The vaccines are not suitable for everyone. There are vulnerable people who can't take it, people coming from other countries, etc. And you can still catch it if you've been vaccinated, it's just that the chance is reduced, and the symptoms will be less severe. Vaccination is the best solution we have, but can never be 100% perfect.

I couldn't imagine being vaccinated and being afraid of a child. But then again, these people will triple mask when they leave their homes even after being vaccinated because they've been conditioned to listen to media lies instead of looking at the concrete numbers that are out there.

If you're vaccinated you don't have anything to worry about, you're safe. I'd advocate anyone that is worried about Covid to get vaxxed and live their life, not be afraid of an 11 year old giving them Covid, or forcing them to mask up.

I don't understand this argument. There is likely a misunderstanding within society due to varying levels of empathy. I've been vaccinated, I wear a mask in public, but I am not worried about myself if I contract the virus. What I don't want to do is to catch it and pass it to someone more vulnerable. Masks are predominantly to protect others from the mask-wearer, not vice versa. Vaccination obviously protects the individual, but this is secondary, the main purpose is to increase immunity within society in order to prevent exponential spread and thus protect everyone. More and more I think this is a question of empathy.

[Tash]

We are all familiar with the term racism. And now we have:

VACCISM

– prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their vaccination status.


New scandal Austrian MP issues vaccination certifiate self. By chance the live camera in parlament focuses on her as she in the middle of national council meeting opens a glass ampoule which she took from the handbag and places the sticker of it on vaccination card.
"Vaccinating" done
https://youtu.be/sxntSErpeQc

But wait it gets better
Explanation by Ms. Himmelbauer:
“Of course, the doctor responsible entered this vaccination in the electronic vaccination card. In addition, because I didn't have my yellow vaccination certificate with me, she gave me the empty vaccine container with the batch number to stick on, which I then did. "
Hang on what? So empty containers need unpacking?

A employee later explained the sticker is for a flu vaccine which she also received before the plenary session.  
In any case, Austria's citizens face up to a year in prison for falsifying vaccination passports!

Sweden to introduce Covid vaccination pass on December 1. It was never about a virus as it does not exist.
Czechs bar unvaccinated from public events services.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/czechs-bar-unvaccinated-public-events-services-2021-11-17/?utm_source=reddit.com

[Gyfts]

I don't understand this argument. There is likely a misunderstanding within society due to varying levels of empathy. I've been vaccinated, I wear a mask in public, but I am not worried about myself if I contract the virus. What I don't want to do is to catch it and pass it to someone more vulnerable. Masks are predominantly to protect others from the mask-wearer, not vice versa. Vaccination obviously protects the individual, but this is secondary, the main purpose is to increase immunity within society in order to prevent exponential spread and thus protect everyone. More and more I think this is a question of empathy.

Are you aware of how little the chance is of you, a vaccinated individual, spreading the virus to someone that is A.) not vaccinated B.) doesn't already have natural immunity from previous infection C.) is vulnerable to the virus? The chances are virtually zero for the vast majority of the world, especially that of any developed country where the vaccine is available. You are miscalculating the risk. It doesn't have anything to do with empathy, it's making a mistake in your risk assessment. If I had that much empathy, I wouldn't bother interacting with anyone in society, by chance I may inadvertently cause someone's death, perhaps by spreading a communicable disease like the flu.

[tvbcof]

I don't understand this argument. There is likely a misunderstanding within society due to varying levels of empathy. I've been vaccinated, I wear a mask in public, but I am not worried about myself if I contract the virus. What I don't want to do is to catch it and pass it to someone more vulnerable. Masks are predominantly to protect others from the mask-wearer, not vice versa. Vaccination obviously protects the individual, but this is secondary, the main purpose is to increase immunity within society in order to prevent exponential spread and thus protect everyone. More and more I think this is a question of empathy.

Are you aware of how little the chance is of you, a vaccinated individual, spreading the virus to someone that is A.) not vaccinated B.) doesn't already have natural immunity from previous infection C.) is vulnerable to the virus? The chances are virtually zero for the vast majority of the world, especially that of any developed country where the vaccine is available. You are miscalculating the risk. It doesn't have anything to do with empathy, it's making a mistake in your risk assessment. If I had that much empathy, I wouldn't bother interacting with anyone in society, by chance I may inadvertently cause someone's death, perhaps by spreading a communicable disease like the flu.

Yeah, lobbying hard for kids to become unpaid and unprotected experimental medical test subjects.  That is now 'compassion' in the 'new normal'.

Cunt237 could easily justify in his/her mind using kids as human shields as a 'compassionate' strategy under the theory that the enemy is less likely to bomb and thus everyone is safer.  Not that his/her safety is important of course.  He/she only cares about the old/crippled/minority population...though the facilities for holding the human shields should be situated right by his/her house and government facilities I'm sure.  And the child shields should be highly vaxxed.

[Masplanc]

Since the vaccine is to prevent life's it will be good for  people to take a vaccine  than to be like  that without  taking  any thing for prevention. Let everyone take for safety, taking this vaccine will reduce the risk of this deadly disease.