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I got someone that need money.

Someone else want to send money there.

The easiest way is to do crypto.

The friend wants to be axie infinity player, which seems to be a pretty good job in Afganistan.

The thing is

He needs

1. A crypto exchange that is non KYC. He doesn't have passport
2. That crypto exchange must have android wallet
3. Another crypto exchange local to Afganistan. Some ways to convert his crypto into cash


Anyone knows that?

I see a thriving Axie player game in poor countries like Afganistan.

Also what's a good and cheap enough phone that you can buy in Afganistan to play axie infinity

TradeOgre lists pretty much everything and doesn't do KYC, and has an Android app called OgrAPI (but it is a custodial service which means not only don't you get private keys, you don't even get a wallet, just a deposit address and balance).

You can then find someone on the currency exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=53.0) board to exchange your tradeogre bitcoin for bank money.

Also you can get a Galaxy S7 or S6 for cheap nowadays.

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So what's the deal with 3rd world country people not having passports or ID cards though? I'm genuinely curious.

There was this website called kycnot.me that listed non-KYC exchanges, some of them even accept Tor.  Has your friend tried hodlhodl?  It is a website peer to peer exchange and can check all the three points you were looking for.  An alternative is Bisq, also a peer to peer exchange I personally prefer to hodlhodl, but unfortunately they do not have a mobile application yet.

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Is that a thing in 3rd world countries?  I was thinking it is just that some KYC services do not recognize local IDs for a number of countries and ask for passports instead.  That may be even more valid for countries in which it is easy to produce or obtain counterfeit documents.

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While I have not used it anywhere, most exchanges claim to support national ID cards such as mine (unless the exchange specifically does not support my country of residence).

Axie Infinity has it's own native sidechain called Ronin[1]. To prevent him from paying any fees(bridging fees, etc. ETH transactions are sky high right now) at all and without the needing to submit AML/KYC, try looking for someone in social media groups in your country/area(Facebook groups, etc) that could sell him some WETH/USDC so he can buy some Axies. Watch out for scammers, of course.

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[1] https://wallet.roninchain.com/

I think it's easier if you're the one that manages his axies and your friend just play through qr codes that you'll send to him. And upon cashouts, it's better to send him cash through remittance.

I don't know how hard the situation is there in Afghanistan but I think it would be an ease for your friend and a big help if you're the one that will play as the manager.

As for the specs of a phone that's good to play the game, likely having a 4 gb ram is a good standard.

Not sure about this, the country I reside is also a 3rd world country but have kind of any ID that exchanges required such drivers licensed, passport, though national ID is not that fully used here as its only new introduced.



There are many cheap new phones today already, e.g. xiaomi (flashing new rom is recommended tho) redmi series are good esp.the latest one.

You need to have non custodial wallet to store your Bitcoin. You can use DEX or CEX to buy, trade and use crypto. If you are restricted on CEX, you can use decentralized exchange like Bisq: https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/bisq/

If exchanges require KYC, you should finish KYC then you can start deposit your money and trade. If you take risk, deposit first before KYC successfully, you are taking risk because if you fail finally with KYC, you can not withdraw your money.

I believe that people in this country can use Bitcoin as well as people in other countries. Is not it?

I know that foreign currencies are now banned in Afghanistan (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59129470), but I don't think that Bitcoin is considered part of them since it's not issued by a central bank. On the other hand, it may be just "bad wording" there since the goal is that Afghan people use only their local currency.


Now, with the ban, there might very well be that one may not be able to send or receive fiat from any known/international exchange...
And it looks like TradeOgre works with USDT and xUSD, hence stable coins, not fiat. Getting that fiat in Afghanistan is the real challenge...

All Centralized exchange must need kyc for Withdrawal any amount of fiat and P2P trading. it is not possible to Use p2p trading without KYC Verification. and if you not used p2p you will not able to sell your crypto with fiat money. so you can exchange and without only crypto in FTX, Kucoin and some others exchange. But not a big amount.

Now almost all exchange has launched there Mobile & Desktop Apps.

I also have friends there and they are using bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies with some problems because as she said to me they are usually unable to pass KYC and send any legal document due to the situation of their country, in her case I suggested she to use wallets such as trust and safepal and try using the swap option on these wallets or just use uniwap and similar exchanges because this can be the safe way for them to exchange any crypto they want, but they want to find an exchange that doesn't ask for kyc they can use tradeogre exchange without of any kyc problem.

You'll be hard pressed to find any exchange operating without Know Your Customer (KYC) since KYC is required in most countries, this is usually because they are trying to reduce fraud, and various other illegal activities. However, it's your right to choose other services that don't require KYC, the only option you have is peer to peer transactions,  so you can either post a thread in the Currency Exchange section on this forum, or use an exchange which doesn't actually trade Bitcoin themselves, but allows users to trade on there.

Also, don't use the exchange wallet for long term storage, and all exchanges should be compatible with whatever Android wallet you use, since it doesn't really matter too much on the software, just how it generates the Bitcoin address. So, a Bitcoin address is a Bitcoin address regardless the software.

Chinese phones will always be the best bang for your buck, though they often have fake specifications or potentially have been compromised. So, it's best to check the item physically, for example there's a load on the market which claim to have dual speakers, when in fact they have one speaker, but two openings that give the illusion there are two speakers. Also, about it being potentially compromised, all phones could potentially be compromised, and that's why I always recommend flashing a custom ROM, either one that is natively supported or using a Generic System Image (GSI). The hardware could still be compromised so that's something you'd have to decide on.

Bitcoin should work on all of them though, it just depends on what brands you trust just in case they're compromised, and either give away your privacy or potentially compromise your Bitcoin wallet.

it's very difficult. your friend's situation and the situation there is very difficult to be able to use crypto. Especially for now they have controlled all parts of Afghanistan. I suggest if it is really necessary to use crypto, try not to be there. go away. Find a safe and free place.

I often read news about crypto users, especially Bitcoin in Afghanistan, indeed lately since the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan, people there use crypto more as an alternative to store their assets, it's safer they say.

Back on topic, try telling your friends about: How to buy bitcoin in Afghanistan in 3 easy steps (https://www.buybitcoinsmart.com/buy-bitcoin-afghanistan), i think it will help your friend in afghanistan if he is there at the moment, in using crypto exchanges there.

Now a days Afganistan Use crypto as a terror funding and they use it like other country. They are funding to use 3rd party exchanger like other countries

Afghanistan is pretty much a locked country right now. It'll be hard to find exchanges that cater to the said country, or find some P2P exchanger willing to buy or sell crypto for him. At best, you can do the buying and selling for him and just let him pay you through Paypal or other such payment processors that he has on his end that are still accepting transactions from Afghanistan.

As for phones, any Chinese phone will do. Axie Infinity is not a graphically-demanding, or CPU intensive game. You just need to have a stable internet connection though, to ensure that you'll stay in the game when you need to.

Of course, but OP is asking for a way to convert bitcoin to fiat without KYC requirement.

I don't understand why OP's friends don't like to comply with the KYC requirement, it's very basic that once you convert you crypto asset to fiat, you need to do it in an exchange regulated by the government which means you are required to comply with the KYC.

If he is really interested he will find a way, I think passport is not the only document allowed to verify KYC as in our local exchanges, driver's license and national ID is allowed.

There's a lot of way to be honest if you will try to make research and you will invest time for it.. If you have problems with KYC no problem because indeed there's a lot of exchanges  that don't ask for private information or swap sites as well where you can trade your token in easiest way.. And wallet for android? Well you know crypto is very popular nowadays wherein all over the world so perhaps its impossible that Afghanistan dont have any digital wallet for crypto until now.. Just make research to find ways mate, i mean don't wait for recommendation if you're really interested in such things.

In some ways, this is a perfect way of testing for the usefulness of a bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.  in other words CNBC worked with some Afghans who use crypto so that in that way they can easily get into it, how it helps them, and without barriers to further adoption.

It is pretty messed up. Unless he finds a good exchange  or ATM(FIAT ramp) he don't have many options left. His other choice is finding a local buyer but things may go south quickly considering where he lives. I don't even know if there are any exchanges that accept any customers from that country. There aren't any probably.

Most of the exchanges (at least the popular ones) have local communities and they use the community admin to verify details as well. Recently, I had an issue with Binance KYC verification & I have tried to reavch through the global telegram channel but no luck. Then I contacted with the local community and they just literally took 5 minutes and boom. I was approved/verified there.

As of now more countries are regulating the usage of cryptocurrencies. Afghanistan is suffering much on terrorism and looking a way to use cash converting cryptocurrency is a big task. The better way is much discussed and suggested in the previous posts.

For KYC free usage the best way is making use of the currency exchange board. I'm not sure about the prevailing situation in Afghanistan, we knew based on the news from different articles. In my country we had got strict regulations, but we used it overcoming it.

It's true that anyone can use crypto as long as there is electricity and internet, because there are many ways to still be able to use crypto even without
the knowledge of the government. Some countries whose governments prohibit the use of crypto, there are still residents who can use crypto. One of
them can use exchanges that do not apply KYC procedures, besides that, we can also ask for help from friends or family who are in other countries.
So as long as we try we will surely find a way, so don't despair if we live in a country that prohibits crypto.

This country is a mess right now after the recent pullout and Taliban takeover. It is in ruins right now after many decades of war and the government is looking to raise funds however they can. Any technique you put up here is likely to only be temporary if it works at all, because they will eventually figure out who is making money in this way and try to take it from them. Ultimately unless your friend lives near the border and is able to get into another country for safer transactions, then they might be stuck for a little while until the new government determines what is allowed in terms of finances and trading. Playing games is probably at the bottom of the list for most of the country right now.

I think they will have to rely on a decentralized exchange, I don’t really know many decentralized exchanges apart from paxful.com and localbitcoins.com. And these two decentralized exchanges have Android applications that you can find on the Google Play store. Apart from these two, the other exchanges that I have been seeing are all centralized exchanges and they require KYC for you to be able to make use of them.

Then as for cheap Android phones that you can get in Afghanistan, no one can really tell you that except from people who are living there. So since that person is living there in Afghanistan, he should inquire from people around him or maybe do a small search online and he will be able to find some cheaper phones that he would be able to purchase. Maybe if there is Amazon.com, or any other similar online shopping website that is available in their country, he can check them out to see phones that are available for a cheaper price.

Yeah, I mean what's the problem with sending your private information to an unknown entity who you will never be able to bring to court over mishaps with your data. Wait till one major leak happens and then you get some calls from the police that your papers have been used in this and that and you will soon realize why poeple do fear KYC in a lot of cases. Besides, we're talking about Afghanistan here, I'm pretty sure any exchange would definitely hand the data request to the Taliban rather than risking another angering some poeple known to blow stuff up on every occasion. Would you like to be in that situation?

Anyhow, I don't understand OP's need for two exchanges, just a local one will do, unless you're paid in some shitcoin nobody wants to touch.

The normal one is to store crypto. The local one is to exchange crypto into cash

I do not think binance can convert bitcoin into cash.

I am not sure about banks

You're (or your friend) planning on storing your coins on an exchange?
There are so many things wrong with this, not even mentioning the fact that probably Afghanistan will get banned from every exchange but again, why would you use this to store coins and not a simple wallet from which you will send coins when needed for the local p2p deal?

You have really made a huge request here and I don’t really think that I will be able to answer all of them. The thing is that I do not live in Afghanistan, so you will need someone who is living in that country and is well experienced in everything about cryptocurrency to be able to give you most of the answers you are going to need.

Like in the case of which phones can be affordable, it will take someone that is living in Afghanistan to check the market and know the types of phones and how much they are being sold there, because the same price they are being sold in my country wouldn’t be the same price that they are being sold in any other country.As for local exchanges that they can make use of, has he or she tried checking exchanges like localbitcoins.com or Paxful.com to know whether these decentralized and peer to peer exchanges are available in their country?

A good childhood friend of mine served two years in Afghanistan as a training officer. Funnily enough, he always told us that in principle every Afghan has a cell phone, even if they tend to be of the cheapest variety. But he said that also seriously, because often Afghan officers who accompanied them on the patrol always phoned and it often made the appearance that the people in their village in which they then wanted to patrol were waiting in advance and thus also the Taliban always already knew when they came.

But what I actually want to say is that from a technical point of view, the Afghan is well equipped for crypto. The mobile network is also comparatively well developed. I think most people lack the knowledge of the technology rather than the ability to implement it.

The original sidechain from Axie infinity is the most recommended method because it doesn't need AML/KYC and the features are also complete.
There are 2 methods to choose from to deposit WETH, AXS, SLP.
https://i.postimg.cc/WzHrsMCb/Screenshot-4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fR4t5ThF/Screenshot-5.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Bv489YbB/Screenshot-6.jpg
Using the purchase of Ronin on the Ramp Network or using the Ronin Bridge which will directly connect with Metamask to your personal wallet.
Everything can be done easily

Crypto is decentralized and you can use it very easily because it is not under control of any government . It is controlled by the user's. So don't worry and keep it up in Afghanistan. But it is all about on decentralized crypto .for the centralized tokens and coins you should to follow the government rules.

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im from Afghanistan and as far as i know there is no exchanges in Afghanistan  (only P2P exchange) but the trust is the issue, if people find out you own crypto they may get curious about it and do anything to get it from you! the best solution is to find someone do convert for him! you can can send him money via WU or sarafi (its kind of exchange in Afghanistan) but i dont think they will accept crypto as payment.
if there is more you want to know about the situation, @me here or send me PM :)
your friend still can use exchanges like WU or Moneygram if he/she has Tazkeera (piece of paper that shows your identity) so your friend can recieve money and then find someone to convert it to crypto! as i said the trust may be an issue! and there are many used android phones can be purchased in Kabul or other cities Smiley if you are going to send him/her money be careful to give his/her full name + father's full name as well, they check this too!

Cryptocurrencies like bitcoins for right now do not have any rules pertaining to the legal issues therefore there has been a current rise in people using cryptocurrencies there, which does mean that instead of using exchanges, you can ask people you know. P2P would work best, but for that you would have to inquire and at the same time see what people are interested in and that would help you a lot.

Then again if the guy doesn't wanna do KYC he should know that he might not be getting the best rates and at the same time the government was showing security concerns regarding everything in Afghanistan pertaining to cryptocurrencies therefore you might find it hard to find exchanges which do not ask for KYC or anything, it's better that you look for simple and popular one's like binance and do your KYC, ofc you will get the best rates.

for question number 1, I think there are still many exchanges that currently don't use KYC for trading in it, it's just limited. well, he could take advantage of that. he can also use DEX for that. if it's Axie's game problem, he can use the DEX provided for it, he can use https://katana.roninchain.com/#/swap

for problem number 2, I don't really understand what kind of exchange he needs, but there are several exchanges that have apps out there that can trade, but they are also quite limited. However, if this is Axie, he can still use the Ronin Wallet or Metamask in the smartphone browser that he has using the Kiwi browser. I think there are plenty of tutorials on YouTube, or blog articles.

Playing Axie Infinity should not be a problem if you have crypto, you can convert it to ethereum and move the funds onto ronin blockchain.
However the first thing which you should have is the crypto. Can you buy crypto from local bitcoins or any other P2P platforms which are operational in Afghanistan?