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Do you think this competition is fair?
Bitcointalk Community Awards 2021 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382917)

Honestly looking on these waking-up noname users voting for its high-ranked alts I doubt in fairness of this contest

This competition takes place with numerous violations of common sense

Concerned people actively donates the merits for those who vote in their favor

I'd say it's almost fair even though not 100%, you can't hope such competition will 100% fair since no one is wrong and no one is right. It's depends on their perspective to determine which user is deserve with the nomination. Sometime people giving away merit because they want to thank those voters for voting him and to be honest it's not really a big problem as they're only give 1-2 merits. You may want to check this thread 10th anniversary art contest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.0)


With this rules at least we can deny newbie or sock puppet account in order to vote his main account. If you think this rules isn't strict enough and the voters aren't fair, what's your suggestion to solve this? If you make the rules only 1000+ merit earned can vote, many users will think it's discrimination and less decentralized.

As I wrote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284749.msg55641557#msg55641557) at the previous contest:

That's not very Switzerland to do, but it's not against the rules either.

Exactly this :) An Award like this can't be completely fair, especially when prizes are $650 per winner.
But campaigning for yourself is allowed:

Tell me please who those noname users generously receiving merits? Hey, if you are real users, at least confirm that you are not alt of your merit-givers

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I think it's partially caused by notification bots: posting a list of usernames means some of them get notified. If they get notified, they see the post. If they see the post, it increases the chance of getting Merited.
As a Merit source, 1 sMerit more or less is a drop in a bucket.

It only dismiss low rank member (below full member) but you can't stop people giving away merit and full member+ noname users to vote (not all users you posted are noname users, this because they're rarely active in section where you active at)

Why are these merit-sourcers squandering merits for bribing loyal voters, and not for useful posts for novice newbies on the forum who need real support?

This is not fair. Simple folk won't understand your sneaky games

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Theymos please, disable merits for this contest, for the justice. Or move it to Ivory Tower
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382917.0

it's quite scary when my name is called there, my concern is you are too sensitive to see people happy, is it because you don't have any smerit?
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Are you scared? Right, farmers like you should be scared of me



What was to be shown
All nonames of contest should be monitored

With what I observed, it is going on good.

Yes, people voted for are getting notified. But Ratimov is giving everyone merit which is not a bad idea.

You know, other conscientious participants for whom they voted do not allow themselves this because they do not want foul play by merit bribing

Yeah, I would say it's pretty fair, there will always be someone who will try to take the  advantage, no matter the rules you set.


That's why @icopress reserved the right to exclude anyone's vote, at his own discretion. So no, I am not concerned about the fairness as I do trust @icopress will do the right thing.  


I do agree that its a shitty way to spend your merit, but I don't think they are bribing, it is more of a "thank you".


How exactly would that solve anything?


With that being said, you could have shared your opinion on this in threadcreated specifically for this purpose (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277804.0), instead opening another one.

Because there is no poll showing the true essence of things

Users are intimidated by your DT gang and are afraid to say something to your face

In the poll people will show you that you are in minority

really cool, I've been rewarded for what I did, I was anticipating going to do a bounty hunt in the same place because the rules are not prohibited multi account but banned from following multiple accounts, but strangely I got spam(neutral) trust.  because the existing rules in anticipation of following multiple accounts.

It's too late to make excuses. We will expose everyone

I will see all the farms. There will be fewer people behind which these farms can hide.

The tag is just in case you commit cheat in the future with the connected account in case you use it in the same campaign. Meanwhile, the neutral tag that you get will have no effect as long as you don't do a cheat campaign or share merit between the 3 connected accounts. And it's true that having more than one account is allowed on this forum, unless you're using it to cheat campaign or share merit.

At one point I'm not sure it's 100% fair as some users choose just to trick the merit source into distributing the merit to them with mention specific name ^{[average is a spammer].} See how many spammers have merit from that, but obviously icopress has its own way of getting it right so it's not a big problem for us.

Why are you being so serious? It's nothing but having some fun competition. I didn’t get what make you create this thread TBH. For me, the competition is something people would enjoy, look for the winner & forget after few days. It's very possible to manipulate. Don't take it too seriously.

I agree that sharing merits to voters is not the best way to use the merit system, which should instead be used to improve the quality of this forum. Particularly to share merits to members who do not even have the right to vote based on the terms of the competition, for example to Members and Jr. Members who have less than 50 merits. I've noticed that Mitchell and mole0815 do that (and maybe others).

Are you kidding? These unfair contests are originating all corruption on the forum.
If people like you don't give a damn about it, then others are not indifferent to the future of the forum.
All backstage scammers should be kicked out of here which are manipulating with system.

So why one voters receives these "thank-you", while other voters wasnt reciving that  "thank-you"?

Where is a fairness?

All "thank-you" goes to the farmers, while other deserving voters wasnt gets these "thank-you"

Do these merit-sourcers have some kind of bug in receiving notifications from other non-farm voters? Or does the system notifies them about farmers votes only?

An election must be free and fair and I'm confident that it's going as it suppose to be, The entire mods are watching and if they are not satisfied, they would have alarmed the voting system.
The rule says a Voter must have earned 50 merits or be a Full member and believe after the whole voting, there will begin a transparent counting and full audit. Concerning participants meriting voters, I think they are just appreciating their voters for recognizing their efforts in the forum.

Permit me to ask you, Do you go out to vote during presidential elections? There is something called Influential voting behavior, it happens between peer groups, family, and friends, that's exactly what you noticed and makes you feel uncomfortable.

For example,
In the Scambuster nomination, I chose Ratimov because I am familiar with his thread until I notice everyone included lovesmayfamilis and you know what, They both deserve that nomination and I have to pick both of them in that category.

Can anybody tell me why merit-sourcers using its authorities in personal goals, in winning in that competition (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382917.0) for example?

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I think Loyce said it very well.  What else can be said really at this point?  (This thread makes me miss Tman). 

Loyce is not Thermos. I need official opinion of Thermos of this matter

I repeat

You have a better chance to get his attention if you send him a PM.

Have you seen this post?
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That competition is a performance designed for the naive fools.

I know in advance that Ratimov will win in several categories. A secret bitcointalk apointee.
Ordinary people never win these false contests

The crowd eats this up

Well of course they aren’t Theymos. Loyce isn’t even human. First ever self aware AI. Thought that was common knowledge tbh.

Honestly I’m surprised you’re still active here after Satoshi / Craig Wright said he was never actually active on bitcointalk. So technically this whole site is a lie and of course not Satosh’s true vision.

No, some members are gorgeous. Franky1 for example speaking many right things

He has no emotions because he doesnt want to spoil his trust. His tactics to remain neutral

Offcourse CSW was never actually active on this hostile to he forum. That's what promoters are for.

So that's what this is really about?

it's too late to shout about honesty of this forum

You have already fight off desire of honest people from participating in this circus.

Prepare your money for Ratimov. It's clear in advance that he will win by using his merit-sourcer's authorities

Coming soon, Ratimov will win all these moneys using his merit-sourcer's authorities
0.005 BTC from Chipmixer + 0.005 BTC from Bestchange + 0.05 BTC from sportsbet

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All people who received merit from him in this contest should be redtagged & distusted. Ratimov have created an incentive to vote for him which is unfair game. Ratimov is a person interested in winning & has merit-sourcer's authorities which is using in unfair purposes. It defies all common sense. Oh my god, what a world, what world...

Why so serious? Why so serious? Big money is at stake. And greedy Ratimov wants to steal all of it by using his merit-sourcer's authorities manupulating by voters.

Ordinary folk will soon turn their backs on you and leave this thoroughly rotten forum. Honest people are not going to look at it calmly. This forum will soon be boycotted by the entire crypto community

That's not how the prize will be distributed:

Why do you need someone else to do your dirty work?

Since when struggle for justice is a dirty work? Yo're amazing

Ratimov wrote differently. Probably all the prizes have long been divided behind the scenes among DT elite. All winners probably have already been chosen in advance, it remains for them to adjust the right amount of votes from thier farms to the credibility only

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I'm not going to get into the conspiracy theories here, as I don't think they have much merit. Although, I think your initial point about merit being a contributing factor to certain users voting, is probably a decent enough assumption to make. Perhaps in future Community Awards, merit could be turned off on the thread.

Although, it's not like the Community Awards is something that's truly meaningful, I see it as a community organised event to give recognition to those that have contributed somewhat positively to the forum. Nothing more than that really. So, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter all that much. Though, as I said the only way you'd combat this is by not allowing merit to be sent in the thread, which I doubt theymos will do, because ultimately it's a drop in the ocean. Adding a prize to the equation likely has motivated certain users to merit, but that would be hard to prove.

Thank you Welsh you are the fairest staff member on the forum. I think that merit distribution should be disabled immediately in this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382917.0). The winner must come to victory in a fair way

I want to develop this forum and make it better. I want to remove all corruption here. Please forgive for my behavior in past I was unexperienced. This forum can still be saved. Let's make bitcointalk great again!

Theymos please disable merit distribution here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382917.0). For the justice, not for me. I just want to get better and do a lot of useful things for the forum

Let's save this forum for the future generations together.

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As i say rather this competition (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277804) is not fair

icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579), using his priveleges - unfairly counting the winners

I see political implications in this. Before 23 february - we saw one behavior of icopress. After 24 february - we see another behavior of icopress

icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) - is a very subjective that to be as organizer of such contest.

Stupid icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) completeley goes to the crazy. He thinks that every russian supports mr. P..tin

No its because you hates mr. P..tin. P..tin has nothing to do with that bitcointalk forum member

icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) threatens forum consensus. Due to icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) behaviour - all russian users can swith to altcointalks. This may negatively affect the attendance of the forum.

Theymos. I propose to freeze the competition until the end of conflict in Ukraine
Icopress is very angry now and can't think impartially

Or reassign the contest organizer. I think that LoyceV will be fairer than icopress

LOL dude chill your nuggets. It's a private, unofficial thing that icopress is doing; he's entitled to doing it however he wishes. At most the sponsors could retire if they don't like his approach, but it's not theymos or anyone else's task to decide about how he runs his fun little contest.
If you wish to do your own contest, you can, it's a free forum!

THIS IS NOT FAIR! Why honest people should be suffering?

These private sponsors should organise these private competitons in private telegram channels

WHY IS IT SO UNFAIR

Theymos why such shady private competitions are endorsed here?

Are you suffering? Do you have something to eat and drink? If you are honestly starving, send me an address and I will pay for a burger and a drink.

Why? This forum has a place for everyone that abides to the (very loose) rules and icopress is doing so.

Nothing is endorsed by theymos or the forum. Everything's community organized and managed voluntarily. If you don't like it, choose another forum / other boards / other threads...

See:

I think it's time to boycott this dishonest contest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382917) and starting to deleting your votes

Icopress began a tricky procedure (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2717166.0) to change the conditions of the competition

changing conditions of competition on the go is a pure cheating

all conditions of the competition must be prescribed in advance and strictly followed


This is not a competition (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382917) - this is a circus

Bullshit!
If there's significant need to change the rules because overally, the voting process was exploited, changing the rules is not only possible, it is recommended. 
In that case, giving out Merit by some of the nominees was an incentive for Merit grabbers to nominate exactly those members giving out Merit if you nominate them since it's visible who is distributing Merit if you nominate them. That's a clear abuse because we would have another result if no Merits were given.
It's totally normal to consider changing the rules and ask the community.

However:

The community decides and not a BSV troll because it's a community award competition, not a BSV troll competition!


You are a troll supporting a shitcoin (scamcoin) from a known scammer!!

LOL

Then you are all trolls supporting pedophilian chipmixer scammers

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382917

ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5317048.0

All you need to know about scammers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2371095):

https://i.imgur.com/anbNa6H.png


I'm not sure if ChipMixer enables Craig Steven Wright an his Scamcoin BSV...

I voted and went my way and I remember I recieved some merits for voting.
In my own perception, I thought that the reason for the merit is to encourage PARTICIPATION. But when contestants were the ones giving the merits, it made people to start voting for them. When I looked at the whole thing it made me understand that there are some MERIT SOURCES who do not exhaust their monthly merit allocations, but because of the voting, they were able to exhaust their allocation  ;D it is a good thing that for once they could exhaust their allocation.
The voting should stand because wherever there is an election, there is always a way to influence the voters(that is the politics in elections).

In all fairness, life itself isn't fair. We should always expect that anything done by humans is mixed with subjectivity. We can't get 100% objective compliance. I quiet agree with what the OP pointed out even though @icopress tried on their path to institute certain criteria for voting like rank level and acquired merit within the voting time. We had similar accusation of nominees influencing voting with merit splashed on voters in the 2020 award too. Now, it's obvious that in the next award no meriting of votes should be among the new set of rules. I also support it to be moved to a section where signature isn't displayed. Make it as less attractive for signature and merit hunters, let's see how it works out. This way, those voting will be doing that purely out of commitment and not to increase post count or hunt for merit.

The only way merit should be allowed would be after the results have been announced.

M0THERF@CKING BITCHES


As I told - the competition is unfair


ICOPRESS GO THE HELL WITH YOUR DUMB COMPETITIONS