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Title: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: aysg76 on February 16, 2022, 10:29:11 AM
So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.

Importance of Ambassador Bridge

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Spanning the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario, the suspension bridge accounts for a whopping 25% of all trade between the two countries, with $328 million (417 million Canadian dollars) in goods crossing each day.

The bridge is critical to the food sector in both countries as well as the auto industry; with crossings all but shut down, shortages have forced plants on both sides of the border to go offline or operate at reduced capacity.


The Truckers were also supported with the bitcoin donations which emerged as significant move and appreciated by many and they collected total of 21 bitcoins through this.The GofundMe blocked the donations worth $10 million for the drivers and inspect to block those accounts so crypto donations were inspired and they collected 21 bitcoins out of it

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Crypto fans of the Canadian truckers' anti-vax protest have raised more than $900,000 in bitcoin after donations via GoFundMe were blocked.

Source :  Bitcoin donation to drivers  (https://www.google.com/amp/s/markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/canadian-trucker-protest-raises-900000-bitcoin-musk-praise-gofundme-block-2022-2%3famp)

After this state the government declared emergency situation in the country and said it will not reverse the decision and now the second part has started into motion which is blocking the bank accounts of those who are involved in freedom convoy protest or who are supporting them through funds.

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The Canadian government has warned that it will freeze the bank accounts and suspend the vehicle insurance of truckers who continue to form blockades in protest of vaccine mandates, as the country declares a national emergency to quell the resulting gridlock.

"This is about following the money. This is about stopping the financing of these illegal blockades," said Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland at a press conference on Monday.

Source :  Canada government to freeze freedom convoy protestors bank accounts  (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trudeau-canada-freeze-bank-accounts-freedom-convoy-truckers-2022-2%3famp)

This is what happens with your central chain of authority that can anytime put restrictions to your funds and deprived you of your money because in reality it's their money and their control over it.

This is why we need bitcoin which embrace freedom and your funds are yours.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: avikz on February 16, 2022, 11:40:42 AM
It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.

But that's where we can clearly see the benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Your money stays with you and no third party has control over it. That should be the norm.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: cheezcarls on February 16, 2022, 11:45:44 AM
So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.

Importance of Ambassador Bridge

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Spanning the Detroit River between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario, the suspension bridge accounts for a whopping 25% of all trade between the two countries, with $328 million (417 million Canadian dollars) in goods crossing each day.

The bridge is critical to the food sector in both countries as well as the auto industry; with crossings all but shut down, shortages have forced plants on both sides of the border to go offline or operate at reduced capacity.


The Truckers were also supported with the bitcoin donations which emerged as significant move and appreciated by many and they collected total of 21 bitcoins through this.The GofundMe blocked the donations worth $10 million for the drivers and inspect to block those accounts so crypto donations were inspired and they collected 21 bitcoins out of it

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Crypto fans of the Canadian truckers' anti-vax protest have raised more than $900,000 in bitcoin after donations via GoFundMe were blocked.

Source :  Bitcoin donation to drivers  (https://www.google.com/amp/s/markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/canadian-trucker-protest-raises-900000-bitcoin-musk-praise-gofundme-block-2022-2%3famp)

After this state the government declared emergency situation in the country and said it will not reverse the decision and now the second part has started into motion which is blocking the bank accounts of those who are involved in freedom convoy protest or who are supporting them through funds.

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The Canadian government has warned that it will freeze the bank accounts and suspend the vehicle insurance of truckers who continue to form blockades in protest of vaccine mandates, as the country declares a national emergency to quell the resulting gridlock.

"This is about following the money. This is about stopping the financing of these illegal blockades," said Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland at a press conference on Monday.

Source :  Canada government to freeze freedom convoy protestors bank accounts  (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trudeau-canada-freeze-bank-accounts-freedom-convoy-truckers-2022-2%3famp)

This is what happens with your central chain of authority that can anytime put restrictions to your funds and deprived you of your money because in reality it's their money and their control over it.

This is why we need bitcoin which embrace freedom and your funds are yours.

This is where Bitcoin comes in. As you can see, GoFundMe denied them of their public fundraising campaign. They’ve quickly moved into BTC, where the government cannot stop it as the funds are completely owned by the people without any 3rd party involvement.

Decentralization is the future of crowdfunding. Even if Canada would enhance their so-called rules against Bitcoin and cryptos, these citizens aren’t stopping to find ways.

In China, they would criminalize citizens who are engaged into Bitcoin, crypto trading, etc., but there are still some out there who aren’t stopping and just bypassing the authoritarian rules.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: davis196 on February 16, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.

But that's where we can clearly see the benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Your money stays with you and no third party has control over it. That should be the norm.

I'm not surprised at all.
All the "progressive" leftists want a "big government",that can control every aspect of our lives and act like a babysitter.As if all the people above the age of 18 cannot take care of themselves and act rationally. ;D
The "progressive" leftists and liberals support only the protests made by other leftists and liberals.
All the "civil rights" mumbo-jumbo about "every citizen having the right to protest" doesn't apply to the people,who don't share the liberal agenda.This is hypocrisy.
The protests must go on and the protesters will be funded by cryptocurrencies.If Bitcoin doesn't do the work(because of regulated crypto exchanges and BTC wallets),then perhaps the protesters can start using privacy coins like Monero.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Nhazwrath on February 16, 2022, 12:10:41 PM
also remember that exchanges are fail points.  bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: paxmao on February 16, 2022, 12:56:45 PM
It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.

But that's where we can clearly see the benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Your money stays with you and no third party has control over it. That should be the norm.

It is difficult to believe that, in general, governments that were thought democratic are actually coercing their citizens to take a product that is still on an experimental stage and to which the own governments have signed of a disclaimer of liability towards the pharma. And that has been the case in Europe as well, with many government forcing or imposing draconian restrictions on those that choose not to use vaccines.

It is a personal choice, vaccine or frequent testing. Go out there unvaccinated and untested, that I would say is not valid.

Anyway, as of today, I would not say that after Omicron it matters a lot.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: ChiBitCTy on February 16, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
It’s unfortunate seeing this whole situation play out like we have over the past few weeks. Canada being a progressive country surprises me that they are going to take things that far that they’re willing to actually freeze peoples bank accounts. On the other hand blocking streets like they are is hazardous and as much as I support protesting, I don’t when it comes to potentially hurting others.’


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: tabas on February 16, 2022, 02:01:24 PM
also remember that exchanges are fail points.  bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.
Not unless they use a mixer then the problem's solved. There's also coinjoin which they can use to make their bitcoin's untraceable. And as far as the bank account's concerned.
It will be simple for them to use someone's name and a bank account that's not yet known by the public and the government. They can use a friend of theirs or relatives up to the many degrees for which they won't be traced that they're connected to them.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Gozie51 on February 16, 2022, 03:12:16 PM
I don't get to understand the reason that government will condescend to freezing protestants accounts because they are carrying out a responsibility that is under the law. Canadian government have caged human right voice by this action, when a protest is peaceful then why don't they hear the people's voice. The people have the power and should be respected.

This freezing of account is becoming a new trend with government in this modern era, this happened in Nigeria during the #EndSars protest where bitcoin accounts with exchanges to banks were blocked and that was the beginning of bitcoin account ban with the bank, this is unfortunate.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: merchantofzeny on February 16, 2022, 03:12:50 PM
Disgusting how low these "progressive" governments would stoop. But what am I expecting anyway? This is just how cowards like Blackface Justin work.

I wonder if this is going to be a good advertisement for crypto to the noncomplacent people worrying that government has become too big. I hope it at least make people look into crypto.

also remember that exchanges are fail points.  bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.
Not unless they use a mixer then the problem's solved. There's also coinjoin which they can use to make their bitcoin's untraceable. And as far as the bank account's concerned.
It will be simple for them to use someone's name and a bank account that's not yet known by the public and the government. They can use a friend of theirs or relatives up to the many degrees for which they won't be traced that they're connected to them.

Or they can use the #1 currency preferred by money launderers - physical fiat?


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: DaveF on February 16, 2022, 03:54:43 PM
So they are breaking the law by blocking the roads.
They are hurting businesses that need to have vehicles pass, and the government should do nothing?

You want to protest fine, you want to line the side of the roads and hang banners & stuff and stand out there also fine.
You block the roads so people (oh and wait for it....emergency vehicles too) cannot pass. Personally I think they should all be arrested.

No different then people on strike or union people protesting non union labor or any other things in front of businesses / on the street. You can yell and shout and do whatever you want. You can't stop people from passing through. Hitting them in the wallet will probably get the point across.

-Dave


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Gozie51 on February 16, 2022, 04:29:21 PM
So they are breaking the law by blocking the roads.
They are hurting businesses that need to have vehicles pass, and the government should do nothing?


On a better arrangement protesters I think make their intention to protest against certain issue known to the government and it is the responsibility of the government to secure and ensure that the protest is not violent and to secure protesters and the environment. Usually though where you see peaceful protest going south means the protest was hijacked by hoodlums and even highered anti to the protest (by the government) just to blackmail the protesters, converners and purpose of protest. These are politics that government use to run down the face of protest. They can pay people to join the protest and distablize the movement.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: mia_houston on February 16, 2022, 04:39:48 PM
So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.
I am a little confused when I see the case that occurred in Canada, who is wrong and who is right in this case of course we don't know, on the other hand the Canadian government does its duty to protect the public from contracting Covid by vaccinating, but on the other hand it seems that the government is putting too much pressure on the people by requiring the vaccination and throwing away their right to be free, but whatever the government does, of course it has gone through the applicable mechanism and there is no government in the world in my opinion that wants to destroy the lives of its people, it is not wrong to refuse or protesting against vaccination, but carrying out a blockade that disrupts activities and public transportation, is clearly a mistake and the government must regulate it in my opinion.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: poldanmig on February 16, 2022, 04:52:45 PM
It’s unfortunate seeing this whole situation play out like we have over the past few weeks. Canada being a progressive country surprises me that they are going to take things that far that they’re willing to actually freeze peoples bank accounts. On the other hand blocking streets like they are is hazardous and as much as I support protesting, I don’t when it comes to potentially hurting others.’

It is clear what the Canadian government is doing will cause hatred against the government later, indeed vaccination is mandatory to prevent the spread of corona but the government should be able to approach the protesters in a dialogue rather than having to do stupid things like they are doing now, I think by freezing The protestors accounts will of course add to the burden of their lives and I think such actions will certainly trigger anarchic actions from the people who support the freedom convoy.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Sethrey on February 16, 2022, 04:57:41 PM
also remember that exchanges are fail points.  bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.

Not in 100% of cases. Bitcoin can be also used anonymously if you know how. You just have to choose the right wallet and no KYC decentralized exchange. I know a good example - Crypton exchange from Utopia p2p https://twitter.com/UtopiaP2P/status/1480838807935078402?s=20 Following these steps no one could ever trace you. You can also switch to privacy coins.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: yhiaali3 on February 16, 2022, 05:04:35 PM
This incident clearly shows why we need Bitcoin and decentralization, if such a shameful thing is happening in a developed country that respects human rights like Canada, what can be said about the rest of the less civilized countries of the world? This is an immoral act by the Canadian government to confiscate the money of those people who carried out these peaceful demonstrations to demand their rights!!!
Every day the need for Bitcoin appears more and more. Everyone should stand with these protesters and help them with everything we can through moral and material support as well. This can be done through support on social media as well as paying Bitcoin donations.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: naira on February 16, 2022, 06:44:04 PM
Be part of the government's disapproval of donations given by not passing through the finance minister or bank in Kanda. So it can not take part in the large percentage of donations. The fact is that the Canadian government was late in responding so when there was a fundraising initiative they were not included.

A large amount of donations certainly feels unreliable when the government does not get a share, especially since the bank really doesn't like money laundering. So do not be surprised when freezing is done. It's ironic to see a government that usually does things like this.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: uneng on February 16, 2022, 07:36:18 PM
If governments are confident the vaccines are effective, why do they have to demand sanitary passports from workers to maintain their jobs and access to their territories? Theoretically only those who denied the vaccine are going to be prejudiced, so let them live accordingly to what they believe, consequently suffering the results of their personal choices.

On the other hand, trucks' drivers can't stop and sabotage the economy of a country where majority parcel of the population endorses the vaccination (80% are vaccinated). Furthermore, it's not positive for bitcoin the fact it's being used to sponsor these protests. OP mentioned 21 bitcoins were collected. That is a lot of money! Who would be interested in funding these activities with so large amounts of money which will indeed prejudice Canada's economy?

These protests seem to have nothing to do with "freedom", it's just another political agenda being pushed up making using of bitcoin and crypto in general as tool for its shady purposes in pursuit for political power and supremacy.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Hydrogen on February 16, 2022, 10:36:16 PM
I feel the nature and history of these protests should be more clearly highlighted and defined.

They have a long history dating back to the occupy wallstreet movement. It was not widely publicized but occupy wallstreet had protestors who crazy glued themselves to shop windows. I think the craziest protestor story I saw was about a man who sat in the street and pounded a nail throw his scrotum into the pavement below.

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Performance artist Pyotr Pavlensky stages protest at 'apathy, political indifference and fatalism of Russian society'

Red Square has seen a lot over the centuries, from public executions to giant military parades, but a performance artist broke new ground on Sunday when he nailed his scrotum to cobblestones in a painful act of protest.

Pyotr Pavlensky said the protest was his response to Russia's descent into a "police state" and was timed to coincide with Police Day, which Russia's law enforcement officials celebrated on Sunday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/artist-nails-testicles-red-square-pyotr-pavlensky

These types of protests from around 2011 would appear to represent the genesis of current day protest movements like canadian truckers.

Analyzing the basic history, helps it easier to draw accurate conclusions and understand what is happening here IMO.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Cookdata on February 16, 2022, 11:28:18 PM
I'd have to say Bitcoin is to be thanked for putting an end to this type of restriction. Tallycoin collected the second funding for Canadian trucks, as I posted in my previous thread on Bitcoin a true censorship resistance, Tallycoin raised funds for Canadian trucks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5384675.msg59177358#msg59177358). I was following the updates and every goal raised funds that were smashed, but they kept increasing the goal, and at a point, I stopped updating the amount, but I believe they raised about 2,100,000,000 sats the last time I checked, but some small sats donations were still coming in.
I just checked the page where the funds were raised, but it was gone, I'm not sure why but Gofundme has lost not just its user base, but also the community's confidence, and it's only a matter of time before they are replaced.

The Protesters and donators have a right to sue Gofundme and the banks, similar thing happened in my country during the Endsars protest when some donations were made to support against killings of youth and the court ruled in their favor.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Charles-Tim on February 17, 2022, 09:30:34 AM
It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.
Be it peaceful or not peaceful protests, this is what the government of a nation will do, this is one of the advantage of their local currencies, for the government to have the full control. It can even get to a point they will deny their citizens of internet and electricity. Most countries if not all are now not in authoritarian regime anymore but there are some contr the government still want in form of authority. Life is always partial, especially the government aspect of life is always totally partial.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: tabas on February 17, 2022, 09:38:26 AM
also remember that exchanges are fail points.  bitcoin is 100% traceable to an exchange and to your bank account.
Not unless they use a mixer then the problem's solved. There's also coinjoin which they can use to make their bitcoin's untraceable. And as far as the bank account's concerned.
It will be simple for them to use someone's name and a bank account that's not yet known by the public and the government. They can use a friend of theirs or relatives up to the many degrees for which they won't be traced that they're connected to them.

Or they can use the #1 currency preferred by money launderers - physical fiat?
They can but they shouldn't put it into their bank accounts as their government is really looking for them and serious with taking and freezing the accounts of the protesters.

This incident clearly shows why we need Bitcoin and decentralization, if such a shameful thing is happening in a developed country that respects human rights like Canada, what can be said about the rest of the less civilized countries of the world? This is an immoral act by the Canadian government to confiscate the money of those people who carried out these peaceful demonstrations to demand their rights!!!
Every day the need for Bitcoin appears more and more. Everyone should stand with these protesters and help them with everything we can through moral and material support as well. This can be done through support on social media as well as paying Bitcoin donations.
They're not confiscating it but freezing it. And those protesters I think if they'll stop doing it, they'll get their funds unfreeze. That's likely what's going to happen and they're pressuring them through freezing their funds and their bank accounts.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: naira on February 17, 2022, 12:17:08 PM
It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.
Be it peaceful or not peaceful protests, this is what the government of a nation will do, this is one of the advantage of their local currencies, for the government to have the full control. It can even get to a point they will deny their citizens of internet and electricity. Most countries if not all are now not in authoritarian regime anymore but there are some contr the government still want in form of authority. Life is always partial, especially the government aspect of life is always totally partial.
In this case the Canadian government has declared its impartiality to Bitcoin, under pretexts that are sans and with conventional origins. Now the truck drivers still cannot access what is their right, as it was planned from the start that the donation is to finance them in delivering goods to the border. The authoritarian government shows unpreparedness for the disbursement of the money generated from Bitcoin, this is a blunder for the demonstrators as well as a big question mark that the value of Bitcoin generated from fundraising will go where.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: pinggoki on February 17, 2022, 12:38:41 PM
I don't think that it's going to stop th supporters though because I am pretty sure that they're going to find ways, remember that P2P is still an option in this situation and it's going to be difficult for the government of Canada to stop that, they'll going to eventually yield to this protesters because we know and they know who's right in this situation.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: fiulpro on February 17, 2022, 04:30:13 PM
The problem is :
Everyone does have a right to protest even if you think that they might be wrong. At the end of the day government doing all this is extremely aggressive towards these people. There is an extreme complication regarding vaccination and people's opinions. Freezing their bank accounts is far more worse than anything since right now those truckers are struggling to make it work and at the same time there are companies also in the middle trying to figure out how to increase the efficiency in the middle of the pandemic as well, the protest did not just put a halt on the economics but at the same time it have turned the government hostile towards the people. Especially during the pandemic I think this might be taking it a bit too far.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Chrisleva1963 on February 17, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
This is ridiculous that Bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies are even considering freezing these assets.  Wouldn't that move align a so call neutral and unbiased company with a biased tyrannical government?  Why would Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency company be subject to suggestions imposed by some country's government?  Isn't Bitcoin supposed to be not associated with governments?  This could be a big loss for any cryptocurrency that allows a tyrannical government dictate who can participate.  I hope Bitcoin thinks very hard about what they do.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: laredo7mm on February 17, 2022, 06:44:51 PM

The Truckers were also supported with the bitcoin donations which emerged as significant move and appreciated by many and they collected total of 21 bitcoins through this.The GofundMe blocked the donations worth $10 million for the drivers and inspect to block those accounts so crypto donations were inspired and they collected 21 bitcoins out of it

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Crypto fans of the Canadian truckers' anti-vax protest have raised more than $900,000 in bitcoin after donations via GoFundMe were blocked.

This happens because many right wings people try to use the situation and divert the movement as an anti-govt protest. But the donation was supposed to use somewhere else. I think as a big democracy Canada should remove this law for truck drivers so that the supply chain can be normal again. Many Nordic countries already removed all the restrictions for covid so that people can lead a normal life again and it's proven that omicron is a mild variation so don't think there's any need to restrict right now.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: mobilestrike on February 17, 2022, 06:50:42 PM

The Truckers were also supported with the bitcoin donations which emerged as significant move and appreciated by many and they collected total of 21 bitcoins through this.The GofundMe blocked the donations worth $10 million for the drivers and inspect to block those accounts so crypto donations were inspired and they collected 21 bitcoins out of it

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Crypto fans of the Canadian truckers' anti-vax protest have raised more than $900,000 in bitcoin after donations via GoFundMe were blocked.

This happens because many right wings people try to use the situation and divert the movement as an anti-govt protest. But the donation was supposed to use somewhere else. I think as a big democracy Canada should remove this law for truck drivers so that the supply chain can be normal again. Many Nordic countries already removed all the restrictions for covid so that people can lead a normal life again and it's proven that omicron is a mild variation so don't think there's any need to restrict right now.
I was also thinking the same that the government have not to disturb the peaceful situation of their state. They have to negotiate with these people and have to make another path which will be acceptable for both of them. If they will do more hard on them then the protestors will do more disturbance and they will think the government as not their supportive.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: coolcoinz on February 17, 2022, 10:43:15 PM
I don't think that it's going to stop th supporters though because I am pretty sure that they're going to find ways, remember that P2P is still an option in this situation and it's going to be difficult for the government of Canada to stop that, they'll going to eventually yield to this protesters because we know and they know who's right in this situation.

It won't stop them because the government is basically trying to kick them in the balls instead of playing fair. The government hit first by restricting basic freedoms so people decided to protest and now the government is threatening them and stealing from them. This is the easiest way to make them more angry and keep the protests going. The government of Canada somehow doesn't get that to stop protests you have to negotiate. If you hit back with force you'll have riots and this isn't something the government can win. It will keep escalating until people start dying and then it's going to turn into an armed insurrection like in Ukraine in 2014.


This is ridiculous that Bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies are even considering freezing these assets.  Wouldn't that move align a so call neutral and unbiased company with a biased tyrannical government?  Why would Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency company be subject to suggestions imposed by some country's government?  Isn't Bitcoin supposed to be not associated with governments?  This could be a big loss for any cryptocurrency that allows a tyrannical government dictate who can participate.  I hope Bitcoin thinks very hard about what they do.

 ;D
Listen Bitcoin, think about what you're doing! Don't freeze people's assets, or else!


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: paxmao on February 17, 2022, 11:47:58 PM
It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.
Be it peaceful or not peaceful protests, this is what the government of a nation will do, this is one of the advantage of their local currencies, for the government to have the full control. It can even get to a point they will deny their citizens of internet and electricity. Most countries if not all are now not in authoritarian regime anymore but there are some contr the government still want in form of authority. Life is always partial, especially the government aspect of life is always totally partial.

These protest are not really "peaceful". Peaceful means that it also has to be harmless and the intention of the protesters may be just to complain, but they are creating a big reputational, practical and economic problem, so you cannot class this as peaceful. Freezing the accounts of the protesters makes them feel in their own skin the effects of what they are doing to other, who also have families.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: justdimin on February 18, 2022, 10:25:16 AM
I don't think that it's going to stop th supporters though because I am pretty sure that they're going to find ways, remember that P2P is still an option in this situation and it's going to be difficult for the government of Canada to stop that, they'll going to eventually yield to this protesters because we know and they know who's right in this situation.
It is not about stopping supporters; it is about sending a message. Canada is basically saying they could do whatever they want, even go as further as blocking the right to get the money, there could be methods to get over this of course but that doesn't change a thing. Don't get me wrong, after seeing millions upon millions of people die from covid and a horrible few years period, I would prefer if these truckers get a vaccination, that would be better and I hardly disagree with them on their stance.

However, even if I disagree with them, I would not take their freedom away when it is about finances, their "freedom" to not get vaccinated could get people killed, but their freedom to get money wouldn't, it would hurt nobody at all.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Wind_FURY on February 18, 2022, 10:57:25 AM
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When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid dissent is when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern -Harper in 2005

https://twitter.com/justintrudeau/status/205322201187106816


Haha. Posted by Justin Trudeau during 2012. He should be supporting those truckers if he truly believed that.

Plus there are probably many people in the forum who are anti-freedom, without knowing that they are anti-freedom. This is very strange behavior for Bitcoiners to support a government that freezes the people’s assets without judicial consent.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Similificator on February 18, 2022, 11:06:56 AM
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This is just crazy. I remember seeing someone talking about this issue on tiktok a couple hours ago even featured the actual moment that the woman talked about this. This is such a low blow and a very improper way of dealing with the problem. Some may even call it childish to an extent.

- I see some saying this is where crypto comes in useful as useful. Yes, initially this can be the case but if you really think about it, choosing crypto for their funds would be a bad decision since it can be th aue of a total ban of crypto in their country just by looking at how the leader of canada reacted to this situation. If they halved their funds though making the one on the surface as decoy, then that would've been an awesome plan which they might have already did.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Flexystar on February 18, 2022, 11:38:51 AM
Seriously though, how can they see every opportunity to cease the operation which is related to the bitcoin? I thought Canadian government was very easy on the crypto currency space and allowed their investors to go with the flow. After reading this trucker donation story it seems that situation is poorly handled per se.

If government wants to stop the protest or calm down the crowd then they should be doing it differently rather than taking their money. Moreover, how do they even caught the money anyways if it was bitcoin stored and must have had private keys right ?


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: tygeade on February 18, 2022, 02:24:19 PM
If governments are confident the vaccines are effective, why do they have to demand sanitary passports from workers to maintain their jobs and access to their territories? Theoretically only those who denied the vaccine are going to be prejudiced, so let them live accordingly to what they believe, consequently suffering the results of their personal choices.

On the other hand, trucks' drivers can't stop and sabotage the economy of a country where majority parcel of the population endorses the vaccination (80% are vaccinated). Furthermore, it's not positive for bitcoin the fact it's being used to sponsor these protests. OP mentioned 21 bitcoins were collected. That is a lot of money! Who would be interested in funding these activities with so large amounts of money which will indeed prejudice Canada's economy?

These protests seem to have nothing to do with "freedom", it's just another political agenda being pushed up making using of bitcoin and crypto in general as tool for its shady purposes in pursuit for political power and supremacy.
I think that sanitary passports are a kind of proof to show that you have been vaccinated already. That way they can determine if who are not yet vaccinated. Not only in the Canada but this issue are also common to many other countries. They mandate the vaccine now but many people are against with it because they are also scared.

Anyway, some of us still thinks that this news in Canada where btc is involved are positive and can bring a good impact on the btc economy. Also some of us believe that there is a freedom involved here, that is again with the help of btc because donation can now went thru and government cannot do anything to stop it.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: RealMalatesta on February 18, 2022, 07:46:34 PM
It is not about stopping supporters; it is about sending a message. Canada is basically saying they could do whatever they want, even go as further as blocking the right to get the money, there could be methods to get over this of course but that doesn't change a thing. Don't get me wrong, after seeing millions upon millions of people die from covid and a horrible few years period, I would prefer if these truckers get a vaccination, that would be better and I hardly disagree with them on their stance.

However, even if I disagree with them, I would not take their freedom away when it is about finances, their "freedom" to not get vaccinated could get people killed, but their freedom to get money wouldn't, it would hurt nobody at all.
It is not really about "freedom" in this case, it is about people doing something that is illegal. The fact that you would confiscate all the possession of someone who is doing something illegal existed since time has started.

If someone commits a crime, they pay for it. This isn't always jail, it could be picking litter up the road, it could be paying a fine, if you go through red light you pay a fee for it and that is basically the situation here as well. It is not about a punishment, it is about do not support people who are doing something illegal.

I know that it is not "exactly the same" but let's assume there is a group who kills people, a terrorist organization, and people sent money, wouldn't you want government to stop that? I know I would. This is the same thing, there are people who are committing a crime and getting financial help for committing that crime is not alright, even though it is a tiny crime according to many.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Sithara007 on February 19, 2022, 03:34:25 AM
Glad to see that the protestors are finally warming up to Bitcoin, after GoFundMe stole more than $10 million from them. They should have considered this option much earlier. Left-wing moonbats like Justin Trudeau knows that he can do anything he want and the media would still support him. The inner city retards would still vote for him no matter how much dictatorial and authoritarian his policies are. Anyway, given the history of Trudeau I won't be surprised if he try to scuttle the Bitcoin donation drive.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Wind_FURY on February 19, 2022, 06:22:05 AM
If governments are confident the vaccines are effective, why do they have to demand sanitary passports from workers to maintain their jobs and access to their territories? Theoretically only those who denied the vaccine are going to be prejudiced, so let them live accordingly to what they believe, consequently suffering the results of their personal choices.

On the other hand, trucks' drivers can't stop and sabotage the economy of a country where majority parcel of the population endorses the vaccination (80% are vaccinated). Furthermore, it's not positive for bitcoin the fact it's being used to sponsor these protests. OP mentioned 21 bitcoins were collected. That is a lot of money! Who would be interested in funding these activities with so large amounts of money which will indeed prejudice Canada's economy?

These protests seem to have nothing to do with "freedom", it's just another political agenda being pushed up making using of bitcoin and crypto in general as tool for its shady purposes in pursuit for political power and supremacy.

I think that sanitary passports are a kind of proof to show that you have been vaccinated already. That way they can determine if who are not yet vaccinated. Not only in the Canada but this issue are also common to many other countries. They mandate the vaccine now but many people are against with it because they are also scared.


They are not “scared” of the vaccine. They are concerned because vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. What right does the government have to tell its citizens where, and where not to go because someone did, or didn’t take a vaccine?

But fake vaccine passports available to buy for Bitcoin will fix this. 8)

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Anyway, some of us still thinks that this news in Canada where btc is involved are positive and can bring a good impact on the btc economy. Also some of us believe that there is a freedom involved here, that is again with the help of btc because donation can now went thru and government cannot do anything to stop it.


It can bring good impact by being an alternative to the legacy banking system, but it will not be easy.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: macson on February 19, 2022, 12:39:34 PM
So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.


https://i.imgur.com/1GJWcLN.jpg

i am a person who supports vaccination but does not support mandatory vaccination, especially to the point of having to close the bank accounts of all truck drivers! it's really inhumane.  hopefully bitcoin adoption can happen quickly, so people can live free from authoritarian governments.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: darewaller on February 19, 2022, 08:09:52 PM
They are not “scared” of the vaccine. They are concerned because vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. What right does the government have to tell its citizens where, and where not to go because someone did, or didn’t take a vaccine?
If you consider that as a problem, realize that you have been doing what the government tells you for a long time now. It may not be as clear as murder for example, of course it is not, but it is the government that tells us that we can't murder anyone, and we agreed, and since then anyone who murders anyone have been jailed, that is literally the government that decided it with the law and the cops who followed that law and caught murderers and judges who jailed those murderers as well. I understand that you may think that it is wildly different, a murderer and an anti-vaccine person is not the same in your mind, and the hurt they do is only to themselves if they get sick and die.

However, you just accepted that government can make decisions and can make you do something which is go to jail, even if you do not want to, that means government always had power over people under the laws, so if you do not follow the law, then government can seize your assets and even jail you. Not a new thing.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: romero121 on February 20, 2022, 09:02:47 PM
So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.


https://i.imgur.com/1GJWcLN.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/1GJWcLN.jpg)

i am a person who supports vaccination but does not support mandatory vaccination, especially to the point of having to close the bank accounts of all truck drivers! it's really inhumane.  hopefully bitcoin adoption can happen quickly, so people can live free from authoritarian governments.
Yes, vaccination can be advised. Whether to take the shot or not needs to be decided by the user and not by the government. The democracy have failed in Canada. It is a country where the President Justin Trudeau is highly supportive to the people in all ups and down. Now with this issue he have been under hatred. This can affect his political life. Canada is at 5th position among the list of democratic country, but the same taking control of users account is against democratic rule.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: dunfida on February 20, 2022, 09:40:08 PM
So some of you might be aware about the ongoing truckers protest in Canada or so called Freedom Convoy against the fully vaccinated measures by Justin Trudeau.The truckers are protesting against this and beleive it to be monopoly and have put restrictions to their trade between the busy American-Canadian border Ambassadors Bridge.They need to be Fully vaccinated or they have to go through 14 days quarantine period which is what the protest are going for.


https://i.imgur.com/1GJWcLN.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/1GJWcLN.jpg)

i am a person who supports vaccination but does not support mandatory vaccination, especially to the point of having to close the bank accounts of all truck drivers! it's really inhumane.  hopefully bitcoin adoption can happen quickly, so people can live free from authoritarian governments.
Yes, vaccination can be advised. Whether to take the shot or not needs to be decided by the user and not by the government. The democracy have failed in Canada. It is a country where the President Justin Trudeau is highly supportive to the people in all ups and down. Now with this issue he have been under hatred. This can affect his political life. Canada is at 5th position among the list of democratic country, but the same taking control of users account is against democratic rule.
Nothing surprises me on which there would be particular u-turns which would totally oppose on what kind of government they are running in.Even if its a democratic one but decisions on locking out or blocking something

according into their likes or shall we say some sort of band-aid solution just for them to enforce such rule or mandatory application then these kind of decisions were never been new.
Even into the country which i do live in does mandate out vaccination on which to those people who chose not to do so will really be having a hard time on acquiring those common
services in everyday living which do really sucks.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Wind_FURY on February 21, 2022, 11:18:25 AM
They are not “scared” of the vaccine. They are concerned because vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. What right does the government have to tell its citizens where, and where not to go because someone did, or didn’t take a vaccine?

If you consider that as a problem, realize that you have been doing what the government tells you for a long time now. It may not be as clear as murder for example, of course it is not, but it is the government that tells us that we can't murder anyone, and we agreed, and since then anyone who murders anyone have been jailed, that is literally the government that decided it with the law and the cops who followed that law and caught murderers and judges who jailed those murderers as well. I understand that you may think that it is wildly different, a murderer and an anti-vaccine person is not the same in your mind, and the hurt they do is only to themselves if they get sick and die.

However, you just accepted that government can make decisions and can make you do something which is go to jail, even if you do not want to, that means government always had power over people under the laws, so if you do not follow the law, then government can seize your assets and even jail you. Not a new thing.


There was nothing in what you posted that debated vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional, except that you’re saying that it’s OK for the government force anything on you even if it means breaking the constitution? OK, that’s you, but the truckers are people who are not like you.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Zlantann on February 21, 2022, 11:59:42 AM
It's very hard to believe that a progressive country like Canada has taken such a drastic step like an authoritarian country. Peaceful protests comes under human rights. I didn't hear any news of violence during the trucker's protest. So it's surprising that Canadian government has decided to freeze the bank account of the protesters.

But that's where we can clearly see the benefits of bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Your money stays with you and no third party has control over it. That should be the norm.

It quit disappointing that a First World Nation like Canada is taking such authoritarian step. Such moves can be easily seen in Africa, Asia and other autocratically governed nation. Its a shame that a nation that preachers and expands the gospel of respect for human right is now the architect of human right violation.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: ven7net on February 21, 2022, 01:00:20 PM
As for the situation in Canada, I don't think the important part is that the protesters got support in BTC. But speaking in this vein, then the advantage of cryptocurrencies is certainly on the face, since they are very difficult to limit. Why do I say hard to limit, because there are still tools that can make for example a BTC donation useless. For example, protesters received BTC, but they won’t be able to spend it, because BTC can’t buy food, clothes or gasoline, well, what is needed for support. Of course, you can exchange BTC for fiat money, well, then again it turns out to be a problem since the accounts are blocked. All that remains is illegal measures, which is also not entirely correct from the point of view of defending one's legal rights. And in general, I think that this whole story in Canada is too strange and its real purpose is not yet clear. Of course, it would be nice if BTC could be used to make purchases, but as we know, if the authorities impose restrictions, it turns out that BTC does not make much sense in this case either.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Mauser on February 21, 2022, 02:32:40 PM
The situation in Canada right now is alarming. How can the government use all these drastic measures against protesters? Freezing Bank accounts or retirement funds seems more like extortion than living in a free country. It is one thing to agree or disagree with the truckers, going as hard against them as Trudeau is doing is wrong. Also Trudeau seems to change his mind about truckers quite fast. Last year he was praising them as the backbone of the economy during the covid crisis. It was the truckers that made sure all the supermarkets were stocked and supply chain didn't collapse. I hope they can find some compromise and don't make it worse. Of course the government is in the stronger position and can apply all types of pressure. But us this really necessary? I don't think so.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: darewaller on February 22, 2022, 04:32:33 PM
There was nothing in what you posted that debated vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional, except that you’re saying that it’s OK for the government force anything on you even if it means breaking the constitution? OK, that’s you, but the truckers are people who are not like you.
I am not saying that government should be mandating anything, all I am saying is that a governments function is to keep the nation civilized, and would you want people who murder others walk freely? You wouldn't, you would want them to be caught by the cops and thrown in jail. By the same logic, government thinks that these people are out there potentially causing others to die, or themselves to die and they want to stop them.

I am not saying they are right or wrong, I am just trying to show people the situation. You may agree or disagree with both sides, just know the angle that they are taking. You can see that Canada is saying these people are dangerous to the public, that is what they are saying, and you expect them to let them protest? I mean that is like asking government to step aside for an ISIS protest, because it is their freedom. You may agree or disagree on governments stance, but just understand WHY they are doing it. That's all.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Mpamaegbu on February 22, 2022, 07:19:15 PM
Like Canada like Nigeria. The same freezing of bank accounts happened to Nigeria protesters in October 2020 when dissatisfied Nigerians took to the streets and called for an end to police brutality tagged #endsars. The Godwin Emefiele led Central Bank of Nigeria acted on instructions from the president to freeze accounts of protesters and those who were involved in cryptos. Now, Canada wants to go that way too and that's a shame for a country that prides herself as one of the upward thinking and progressive countries. Quiet alright we know that Nigeria is a poor third world country and we can understand her backwardness and premitive way of doing things. But what about Canada? Must she go the way of Nigeria?


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Mahanton on February 22, 2022, 07:50:39 PM
Like Canada like Nigeria. The same freezing of bank accounts happened to Nigeria protesters in October 2020 when dissatisfied Nigerians took to the streets and called for an end to police brutality tagged #endsars. The Godwin Emefiele led Central Bank of Nigeria acted on instructions from the president to freeze accounts of protesters and those who were involved in cryptos. Now, Canada wants to go that way too and that's a shame for a country that prides herself as one of the upward thinking and progressive countries. Quiet alright we know that Nigeria is a poor third world country and we can understand her backwardness and premitive way of doing things. But what about Canada? Must she go the way of Nigeria?
Not totally on going the same way of Nigeria yet this would really be one of the most common way on where government could impose their power and decisions on different aspects or sections
on which it do really sucks that they could really abuse it out according into their likes which it isnt surprising for them to do so.As long you have done something which is out of their interest
or totally opposing on what they do like then for sure you would be facing up the same problem.So its not surprising for this kind of condition.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Silberman on February 22, 2022, 09:21:24 PM
They are not “scared” of the vaccine. They are concerned because vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. What right does the government have to tell its citizens where, and where not to go because someone did, or didn’t take a vaccine?

If you consider that as a problem, realize that you have been doing what the government tells you for a long time now. It may not be as clear as murder for example, of course it is not, but it is the government that tells us that we can't murder anyone, and we agreed, and since then anyone who murders anyone have been jailed, that is literally the government that decided it with the law and the cops who followed that law and caught murderers and judges who jailed those murderers as well. I understand that you may think that it is wildly different, a murderer and an anti-vaccine person is not the same in your mind, and the hurt they do is only to themselves if they get sick and die.

However, you just accepted that government can make decisions and can make you do something which is go to jail, even if you do not want to, that means government always had power over people under the laws, so if you do not follow the law, then government can seize your assets and even jail you. Not a new thing.


There was nothing in what you posted that debated vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional, except that you’re saying that it’s OK for the government force anything on you even if it means breaking the constitution? OK, that’s you, but the truckers are people who are not like you.
I agree, some level of freedom is necessary to have a healthy society and forcing people to comply in this manner is simply not correct, personally I did took the vaccine but it really bothers me that those that after listening to the facts decide to take a different posture now are being used as scapegoats by the government and the population at large, people should have the right of self-determination and the right to protest against the government in a peaceful way, if those two are taken away then we can say they are living under a tyrannic rule.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: carlfebz2 on February 22, 2022, 11:34:22 PM
They are not “scared” of the vaccine. They are concerned because vaccine mandates are unconstitutional. What right does the government have to tell its citizens where, and where not to go because someone did, or didn’t take a vaccine?

If you consider that as a problem, realize that you have been doing what the government tells you for a long time now. It may not be as clear as murder for example, of course it is not, but it is the government that tells us that we can't murder anyone, and we agreed, and since then anyone who murders anyone have been jailed, that is literally the government that decided it with the law and the cops who followed that law and caught murderers and judges who jailed those murderers as well. I understand that you may think that it is wildly different, a murderer and an anti-vaccine person is not the same in your mind, and the hurt they do is only to themselves if they get sick and die.

However, you just accepted that government can make decisions and can make you do something which is go to jail, even if you do not want to, that means government always had power over people under the laws, so if you do not follow the law, then government can seize your assets and even jail you. Not a new thing.


There was nothing in what you posted that debated vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional, except that you’re saying that it’s OK for the government force anything on you even if it means breaking the constitution? OK, that’s you, but the truckers are people who are not like you.
I agree, some level of freedom is necessary to have a healthy society and forcing people to comply in this manner is simply not correct, personally I did took the vaccine but it really bothers me that those that after listening to the facts decide to take a different posture now are being used as scapegoats by the government and the population at large, people should have the right of self-determination and the right to protest against the government in a peaceful way, if those two are taken away then we can say they are living under a tyrannic rule.
It wont really be that democratic already if those things would be taken away but im not really that against on some certain situations or conditions on which government would really be making out some changes

as long it wont be totally able to remove the rights of its citizens on taking up their own decisions but there would really be some limitations and exclusions i would say on which they will really be implying on.
You could really please someone or would totally get criticisms as per decisions that had been made which is expected.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Sithara007 on February 23, 2022, 03:36:00 AM
All this is having a negative impact on the popularity of Turd-eau. The latest poll by Mainstreet Research (February 2022) has the Conservative Party of Canada leading the Liberal Party of Canada by more than 8 points. The replacement of Erin O'Toole by Candice Bergen seems to have helped the CPC. Another party that is allied to Turd-eau, the New Democratic Party has also seen it's popularity plummeting. Their support is now less than 15% compared to the 18% they got during the federal elections.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Silberman on February 26, 2022, 05:55:40 PM
All this is having a negative impact on the popularity of Turd-eau. The latest poll by Mainstreet Research (February 2022) has the Conservative Party of Canada leading the Liberal Party of Canada by more than 8 points. The replacement of Erin O'Toole by Candice Bergen seems to have helped the CPC. Another party that is allied to Turd-eau, the New Democratic Party has also seen it's popularity plummeting. Their support is now less than 15% compared to the 18% they got during the federal elections.
Then let us hope that Canadians have their eyes open and decide to change the people at the head of the government as this is simply unacceptable, as long as a protest is peaceful people should have the right to express their opinion without being afraid of suffering violence from the government, and even if they are not being hit by police offers directly, the fact they are freezing the accounts of those that are protesting is an act of violence no matter how we look at it.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: fullhdpixel on February 27, 2022, 08:32:20 AM
let us hope that Canadians have their eyes open and decide to change the people at the head of the government as this is simply unacceptable, as long as a protest is peaceful people should have the right to express their opinion without being afraid of suffering violence from the government, and even if they are not being hit by police offers directly, the fact they are freezing the accounts of those that are protesting is an act of violence no matter how we look at it.
Well, one thing I know the government would do for sure is to try anyways possible to stop people from protesting. When there is a protest, there are two options and it’s either going to be that the government agrees to what the protesters are saying or they disagree to it. And one thing they know for sure is that if they should disagree to the wants of the protesters, then the protest continues until they either agree to it or do something to stop the protest from moving forward.

So, the government has done what they feel is best to stop further protest, and in this case Bitcoin would be the only option for the protesters to circumvent whatever obstacle the government has laid.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: istiak2277 on February 27, 2022, 08:54:24 AM
This protector of humanity and democracy country are so much concern about the freedom of speech and right of others countries? They are very concern about the people of Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan but they do not want to give that freedom to their own people. This two faces so called democratic countries leader should be perish from this world.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: dezoel on February 27, 2022, 04:56:54 PM
Oops, very bad :-X. Good thing that they switched to cryptocurrency later.

I saw a lot of people on social media who were left fuming following GoFundMe’s decision to block the donations that were being made on their platform.

I think that people are forgetting GoFundMe is not a decentralized platform like Bitcoin, so the government can control them to do as it (government) wishes. That will even be their fate if they choose to make use of centralized cryptocurrency exchanges.

Just like Jesse Powell has warned recently, people should avoid CEX, the government controls all these exchanges, stick with decentralized exchanges/non-custodial exchanges if you don’t want to find yourself in a situation like this where the government is able to freeze your account and restrict you access to it.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Mometaskers on February 27, 2022, 05:10:08 PM
I read in passing that Trudeau has backed off. Only saw the vid where he's basically asking everyone to sort of "forgive and forget". Again showed how spineless he is. He can't take valid criticisms and resorted to authoritarian actions and then we he realized people are not giving up, he folded. Such a pussy.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: sana54210 on February 27, 2022, 06:42:34 PM
let us hope that Canadians have their eyes open and decide to change the people at the head of the government as this is simply unacceptable, as long as a protest is peaceful people should have the right to express their opinion without being afraid of suffering violence from the government, and even if they are not being hit by police offers directly, the fact they are freezing the accounts of those that are protesting is an act of violence no matter how we look at it.
Considering that truckers are wrong and people in Canada ignore them and find them mockery, I would assume that they won't.

The reality is that A) USA put the vaccination mandate before Canada so even if Canada allowed these truckers to be non-vaccinated without a problem, they still would need to get it in order to cross borders, and B) They couldn't show proof of where the money would be spent, and it was blocked because of it (aka the same thing done to EVERY funding, literally every single one).

I could easily say that truckers are wrong, they are aware that they are wrong, government knows they are aware they are wrong and all of this is just a joke. Do not tell me that something that is already banned from american side, and a funding page that doesn't tell what the money will go for is a right way to actually protest because I would just laugh at you.

If USA didn't mandate it, and if Truckers showed proof of where the money would go, just like everyone else has to, then none of this would happen.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: beerlover on February 28, 2022, 05:11:29 PM
What is it that truckers want to get out of this? No mandates? So, what's next, asking USA to lift theirs as well? This is for the truckers that go to USA, and there is a mandate on that side as well so that means if they go to USA, then they can't move on, need to wait, by the USA side.

Let’s realize that this is a political power grab by the conservatives, truckers are mainly conservatives as well if you look their stances, and I do not care what the polls are showing right now, Justin is doing the right thing. It is idiotic to ask for a mandate to be lifted for one profession, you either lift it for the whole nation or lift it for nobody. I am VERY against lifting it for truckers, that is unfair and unjust.


Title: Re: Canada to freeze Freedom Convoy Protestors bank accounts...
Post by: Silberman on March 01, 2022, 10:10:46 PM
let us hope that Canadians have their eyes open and decide to change the people at the head of the government as this is simply unacceptable, as long as a protest is peaceful people should have the right to express their opinion without being afraid of suffering violence from the government, and even if they are not being hit by police offers directly, the fact they are freezing the accounts of those that are protesting is an act of violence no matter how we look at it.
Well, one thing I know the government would do for sure is to try anyways possible to stop people from protesting. When there is a protest, there are two options and it’s either going to be that the government agrees to what the protesters are saying or they disagree to it. And one thing they know for sure is that if they should disagree to the wants of the protesters, then the protest continues until they either agree to it or do something to stop the protest from moving forward.

So, the government has done what they feel is best to stop further protest, and in this case Bitcoin would be the only option for the protesters to circumvent whatever obstacle the government has laid.
And then the governments wonder why bitcoin is becoming more and more popular everyday, if we were talking about a criminal organization then I think people will accept the fact that the government could freeze those accounts and even confiscate the money, but when we are talking about a simple protest and yet they decided to do something like this then they are leaving to the people no other option but to find alternatives they do not control to obtain the freedom they cannot get with the fiat system.