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Title: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Rruchi man on February 21, 2022, 04:59:15 PM I didn't expect to find this in the "FAQ" session of the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) because it is not a common and frequently asked question. However for the benefit of people who may be in this unique position and will need clarity;
-If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Coyster on February 21, 2022, 05:03:54 PM AFAIK, there is no rule against it, and it is of course not wrong to engage in discussions in any part of the forum as long as you understand what is being said and can also contribute constructively, if you understand and can as well write in the language efficiently, then no problem. I think were there could be an issue/problem is if you try to post continuously in a local board using Google translator and posing like you actually do know how to write in the said language.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: webtricks on February 21, 2022, 05:16:54 PM I didn't expect to find this in the "FAQ" session of the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) because it is not a common and frequently asked question. However for the benefit of people who may be in this unique position and will need clarity; -If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? Why not Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Dunamisx on February 21, 2022, 05:30:18 PM I didn't expect to find this in the "FAQ" session of the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) because it is not a common and frequently asked question. However for the benefit of people who may be in this unique position and will need clarity; -If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? Its not bad doing so but its also good to bear in mind that active participation is also important, advisably let your present/impact be felt, i see it a great ability and a gift to be able to relate in two or more local languages. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Edith1994 on February 21, 2022, 06:14:06 PM I didn't expect to find this in the "FAQ" session of the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) because it is not a common and frequently asked question. However for the benefit of people who may be in this unique position and will need clarity; Yes you can participate in multiple local board languages if you understand and write it perfectly you are good to go.-If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: hatshepsut93 on February 21, 2022, 06:32:19 PM Sometimes sudden posting in local boards with no prior history of such posting is used to build an accusation of owning a sold account. But this fact alone can't be used as a proof, after all so many people here are not native speakers, it's quite reasonable that some of them could decide to post in their local sections even if they ignored it previously.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: DdmrDdmr on February 21, 2022, 06:39:17 PM <…> Sure you can. What’s more, you can even translate your own posts and place them in the corresponding multiple local boards. Logically one should master the language decently enough, and be prepared to interact where one posts (meaning one should not simply translate it using some kind of tool and post it in multiple languages). The idea is to be natural and the content be made understandable, whilst complying with the exception clause in rule #12, but avoiding breaking rule #27.Note: I sometimes do that between English and Spanish boards, although technically only one is a local board in this case. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: CryptocurencyKing on February 21, 2022, 07:53:03 PM Well uhmmm, I don't know exactly how to place this because, I'm having double thoughts on it. Though there isn't any rule that prohibits a user fluent in any local language from participating in a locales discussion, I still feel, if we are to take the word LOCAL into consideration, one might just be limited to a single local board.
Except, given the event of one having multiple nationality but then, a local board defines the territory of an individual for which he or she is surrounded and familiar with the activities of the people and possibly affected by it. In that context, one can be sure to participate and make contributions in ways that are more touching and from an effect based perspective. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: KingsDen on February 21, 2022, 08:54:48 PM What I would like us to put into consideration is the purpose of creating different local boards in the forum. The reason I think is not to show who is an expert in languages. I also think that it is not a dating sub section where you meet partners and friends. It is advisable that you stick to a particular local board, familiarise there rather than involving in multi lingual contest. Since there are no laid down rules about this, maybe it is allowed and not with the aid of translators.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: NeuroticFish on February 21, 2022, 09:14:23 PM If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? I don't see what could stop you. It's not like you'd need a membership card or tattoo. On the other hand, if you're familiar with the language, but not that much with the related country/region, your posts may not be always useful or you may be wasting your time (I mean here discussions about local laws, taxes, maybe local businesses, ...) So it's not prohibited, but you'll have to see whether it's useful at all for the community and you too. And, like everywhere, make sure you do meaningful conversation and not spamming for the sake of the signature tag*. Then you should certainly be fine. * I am not implying that you would be spamming, I just wanted to rule out that possibility. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Cookdata on February 21, 2022, 10:10:36 PM I've seen posts where users want their threads translated into different languages by others, especially the guide and tutorial topics, as breaking them down to their tastes makes them simpler to absorb. What I'm trying to say is that if you can write fluently in other languages, engaging them in other technical discussions will benefit those local boards and no one will question your efforts, but constantly posting for other reasons will make you a suspect in that local board.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Issa56 on February 21, 2022, 10:24:43 PM Is not against the forum rules so I don't think their is anything bad there, since you are not scamming anybody or doing anything wrong you can definitely contribute to their conversation, I don't think their is any restriction on where you can post on the forum just make sure you are engaging in a meaningful conversation.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Falconer on February 21, 2022, 10:31:35 PM Of course you can and I don't think you should be barred from doing so as long as you can understand the language well in your interactions with different local users.
I saw some other local users also posting something on Indonesian local boards but that's not often. They can use translation but in certain cases they can also ask someone to translate the post into another local language due to limited understanding of the language used. But if you can post regularly on different local boards because you can speak multiple languages then that's great for you too and you can do it whenever you want. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Findingnemo on February 22, 2022, 03:30:18 PM Sure, you can! No one is going to stop you unless you're constantly spamming with the intention of spam.
Bitcoin is borderless so there is no limitations and restrictions and all these localboards were created for the convenience of people and give freedom to talk in their own language. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: dkbit98 on February 22, 2022, 04:04:08 PM If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? You can write in multiple language section if you know to speak and write them well, but don't do it if you are going to use some machine translation all the time.Whenever I see posts like this written in our local section I report them to moderators if I see they are coming from newbies or spammers who are promoting something. We even had one guy who was translating bunch of ann topics but he was using g-translate all the time making bad translations, and he is now banned. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: The Cryptovator on February 22, 2022, 05:48:31 PM As long as you already made a post here about multi-languages, so from now there shouldn't an issue even with the trust system. From the forum side, there is no prevention except using Google transactions. You shouldn't use any kind of tools, otherwise, you would be in trouble, because native written will catch you upon using transactions tools. And of course, the post must need to be constructive, otherwise, you might be in trouble by reporting spam.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: LTU_btc on February 22, 2022, 08:19:55 PM Well, I think it should be obvious. If you know that language, I don't see any reasons why you shouldn't be allowed to post in local board. It's not that you're asked to show passport to prove that you're citizen of that country to get petmission to post.
Offcourse,if you decide to post there, it would be good to be familiar with local stuff like regulations, news, some services and etc. What I would like us to put into consideration is the purpose of creating different local boards in the forum. The reason I think is not to show who is an expert in languages. I also think that it is not a dating sub section where you meet partners and friends. It is advisable that you stick to a particular local board, familiarise there rather than involving in multi lingual contest. Since there are no laid down rules about this, maybe it is allowed and not with the aid of translators. Wouldn't agree that's not dating sub section. I'm not talking about Tinder stuff. But if you have business and want to expand it to foreign countries, look for business partners, or simply post localised version of ANN thread - local boards may be very useful for you.From the forum side, there is no prevention except using Google FTFY ;)Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: GeorgeJohn on February 22, 2022, 08:47:25 PM Lol...i don't think that their is rules and regulations of the community that kick against such, but it's very suspicious indecencies that no one will actually know were you belong, from my suggestion i think the best solution or option is to choose a specific or particular you are fluent at as a major as a language, so using this as illustration, someone who's nationality is Russian and base in china and happened to learn Chinese language are not meant to join two different local conversation, because it will be a threat and spam to any of the local section, indecencies that the user is good via both languages. For me it should not be accepted.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Rikafip on February 22, 2022, 09:50:23 PM from my suggestion i think the best solution or option is to choose a specific or particular you are fluent at as a major as a language, so using this as illustration, someone who's nationality is Russian and base in china and happened to learn Chinese language are not meant to join two different local conversation, because it will be a threat and spam to any of the local section , indecencies that the user is good via both languages. For me it should not be accepted. This doesn't make any sense whatsoever, why someone who is fluent in 2 languages shouldn't be active in two different boards, how exactly will that be "a threat and spam to any of the local section"? I am dying to hear the further reasoning. Smh...Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: BITCOIN4X on February 23, 2022, 03:29:38 AM Lol...i don't think that their is rules and regulations of the community that kick against such, but it's very suspicious indecencies that no one will actually know were you belong, from my suggestion i think the best solution or option is to choose a specific or particular you are fluent at as a major as a language, so using this as illustration, someone who's nationality is Russian and base in china and happened to learn Chinese language are not meant to join two different local conversation, because it will be a threat and spam to any of the local section, indecencies that the user is good via both languages. For me it should not be accepted. I don't agree with you. It doesn't matter when a user is multilingual and writes post in a different language something that makes sense on different local board and needn't be limit. If you're worried about them spamming then that's no reason to ban users from posting on different local boards when they master the language.It's unfair for every user who can afford to post on a different local board to have to focus on posting in their primary language due to spam issues. This is meant for quality posts as spam will usually be reported for deletion even on different local board. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Mr.Scott on February 23, 2022, 04:28:56 AM It can understand a common man of having essential schooling effectively connect with himself somewhere around two language, one is his mother language and the second is English language. I assume you've better quality level of reading, writing, speaking in two or more languages.
Local board running their local language users, there no limitation to make posting. You just keep up with the rhythm of writings, which local board users used to reading. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Rockstarguy on February 23, 2022, 08:15:41 AM To me it is better to concentrate on a particular local board where one belongs because it is like a home here in the forum which we represent and discuss matters concerning cryptocurrency in an easy way, going from one local board to the other does not make sense to me, it is like showing of his/her multilingual talent.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: aysg76 on February 23, 2022, 11:05:50 AM I don't think so there is any such rules which restricts us to post on any of the local board and if you can easily understand the particular language and wantto actively engage in the conversations then there's no restriction on the same.The local boards are setup so as the particular community speaking same language and residing in the same place can have regular discussions with each other aside from forum discussions.
But if you have commands over various languages then surely you should engage in them which is best as you are overcoming the linguistic differences on the forum as there are many members who only post in local boards while others post all around the forum.So you can surely do it. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Igebotz on February 23, 2022, 12:12:04 PM from my suggestion i think the best solution or option is to choose a specific or particular you are fluent at as a major as a language, so using this as illustration, someone who's nationality is Russian and base in china and happened to learn Chinese language are not meant to join two different local conversation, because it will be a threat and spam to any of the local section , indecencies that the user is good via both languages. For me it should not be accepted. This doesn't make any sense whatsoever, why someone who is fluent in 2 languages shouldn't be active in two different boards, how exactly will that be "a threat and spam to any of the local section"? I am dying to hear the further reasoning. Smh...I'm always curious as to why a guy who can effectively interact in two local boards is regarded as a threat or spammer on the boards in which he participates. To me it is better to concentrate on a particular local board where one belongs because it is like a home here in the forum which we represent and discuss matters concerning cryptocurrency in an easy way, going from one local board to the other does not make sense to me, it is like showing of his/her multilingual talent. If someone knows and writes effectively, there's nothing wrong with them writing on numerous local boards. Is there anything wrong with being a multilingual? On the English boards, we have Russians and Spanish users who do not speak English as their first language.Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: bittraffic on February 23, 2022, 02:37:23 PM Sometimes I'm also envy in joining some altcoin discussion of a local board because they are busier than the official Ann thread. For instance the Cardano official thread is not updated while a localboard thread of Cardano has a livelier diwcussion which could provide more information. Sometimes I translate their thread thru google translate because there more to learn from them. Op is luckier to understand more languages. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Little Mouse on February 23, 2022, 02:47:06 PM In my opinion, we are already active in two language. Global and local. If we can be active in two different boards, why not in another local board too as long as you know the language. Don't use anything automated translation. That's it. You are fine to go with more than one local board.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: acroman08 on February 23, 2022, 05:33:34 PM going from one local board to the other does not make sense to me, it is like showing of his/her multilingual talent. there are people who have dual citizenship, have lived in that particular country, or planning to live in that country. talking to people who live in that country through the forum is one way of trying to find out what is going on about cryptocurrency(or other things) in that country. I don't see anything wrong with someone wanting to have a conversation on other local boards as long as they know the language and do contribute to the conversation being discussed on that local board. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: suzanne5223 on February 23, 2022, 05:37:43 PM from my suggestion i think the best solution or option is to choose a specific or particular you are fluent at as a major as a language, so using this as illustration, someone who's nationality is Russian and base in china and happened to learn Chinese language are not meant to join two different local conversation, because it will be a threat and spam to any of the local section , indecencies that the user is good via both languages. For me it should not be accepted. This doesn't make any sense whatsoever, why someone who is fluent in 2 languages shouldn't be active in two different boards, how exactly will that be "a threat and spam to any of the local section"? I am dying to hear the further reasoning. Smh...I'm always curious as to why a guy who can effectively interact in two local boards is regarded as a threat or spammer on the boards in which he participates. But there is a chance for the user to be threat only if one of the local boards she participated in has some sort of secretive meeting. Having said that, if the OP has the language speaking capacity it will help her in the future to gain back her account if there's the issue of account hack. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: skarais on February 23, 2022, 06:05:47 PM It seems the OP's question has been answered clearly by a lot of users and I don't think it would pose any threat if the user wasn't a shitposter. So, I'm just wondering how the OP reacts to that and is he satisfied with all the answers?
Maybe the case will be different when someone who speaks Russian or another local board for years starts posting on a different local board after a long period of inactivity, then changes the password and email because that would be a good reason to say the account has changed hands even if the user later admits that they master the language. So this is a different matter than regular posters in two different local language. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Mpamaegbu on February 24, 2022, 08:45:40 AM Is there any rule against it? None that I've come across in my few years of being here. However, I do believe that using any form of translator to do that will be frowned at because I've read here of someone who got dragged (and I think tagged too) for using Google translator for translation bounty. On few occasions I've had to use Google translator myself to get through some local boards that did mention me. I must tell you, some of them had interesting discussions but I couldn't contribute there as that would be me resorting to Google to translate for me. I felt doing that would be pretending to be what I ain't. So, I just read and left. Nevertheless, if you've the ability of multilingualism; go ahead. There's no crime in mingling with others, at least not here (yet).Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: ShowOff on February 24, 2022, 03:17:24 PM Since forum time is now February 24th, so this thread has been left by the OP with no response for 3 days. I didn't find any response from the OP so far although there have been plenty of other users' responses that have been quite useful so far on the question.
I think a cooperative attitude when asking questions should be had by every user creating a thread. Anyway the OP also needs to answer some of the questions asked by those responding to this thread as that is also needed to make the discussion more interesting. None that I've come across in my few years of being here. However, I do believe that using any form of translator to do that will be frowned at because I've read here of someone who got dragged (and I think tagged too) for using Google translator for translation bounty. I also found no such rule and I don't think it is prohibited. However it may be different if other local board users who don't understand other local languages well but post quite often rely solely on translations. This might be prohibited by the rules, but iif can speak different languages then it wouldn't be a problem.Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on February 24, 2022, 05:57:31 PM I didn't expect to find this in the "FAQ" session of the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) because it is not a common and frequently asked question. However for the benefit of people who may be in this unique position and will need clarity; Well, as far as I know, there's no rule here stating otherwise, just like every other persons have said, I will like to add that bitcointalk has always been operated based on bitcoin's core values which is decentralization and freedom.-If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? In as much as I know that the Admins here must know the countries each and every one of us is from through our IP addresses, this has never been used or will it ever be used to enforce or limit the boards a member can join or participate in its discussions. If you know multiple languages and can type/spell in them very well, and you find a topic in a local board which catches your attention or interest, you are free to join the discussion, no one is concerned as to weather you are a native speaker of that language or not. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: GeorgeJohn on February 25, 2022, 06:31:39 AM from my suggestion i think the best solution or option is to choose a specific or particular you are fluent at as a major as a language, so using this as illustration, someone who's nationality is Russian and base in china and happened to learn Chinese language are not meant to join two different local conversation, because it will be a threat and spam to any of the local section , indecencies that the user is good via both languages. For me it should not be accepted. This doesn't make any sense whatsoever, why someone who is fluent in 2 languages shouldn't be active in two different boards, how exactly will that be "a threat and spam to any of the local section"? I am dying to hear the further reasoning. Smh...Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on February 25, 2022, 07:14:40 AM To me it is better to concentrate on a particular local board where one belongs because it is like a home here in the forum which we represent and discuss matters concerning cryptocurrency in an easy way, going from one local board to the other does not make sense to me, it is like showing of his/her multilingual talent. It isn't showing off as if we have such users on the forum, they obviously won't be doing that for some personal gains instead they're engaging in multi local board posting for the sole purpose of contributing to quality discussion been discussed on the boards. Take an example from my local thread, we get foreigner usually contributing to discussion that they have something useful to add. Although they don't write in our local language but still their contributions are always welcomed. We shouldn't be advocating for restrictions on multi local board posting because we're simple advocating for restrictions of knowledge that way. What we should be against is the use of deceptive means like translators etc to deceive people into believing you can communicate in their local language. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: lovesmayfamilis on February 25, 2022, 09:32:43 AM From your perspective is it encouraging for someone to pertake in two different local boards ? because it's has the ability of multilingual language, if we accept such act, it will give room to others and especially offsprings of this community will be using translator to engage into conversation with other local boards. I purposely said it will bring threat indecencies that what ever you discussed in your board will be review to another local community, we don't introduce such because one person may claim to know how to speak four languages by using translator to interpret the letters, let us concentrates to one user one local board. GeorgeJohn, You would be right if a person starts using a translator. But you must admit that native speakers can always say that a person does not fully speak the language. There was a case when in the Italian local section, bitbollo and his associates found a translator (Filipino, if I'm not mistaken) who pretended to be Italian. Native speakers will perfectly see the discrepancy. But the question is that a person speaks the language well, and in this case, all responsibility lies with him. He does not need to identify himself to any locale at all if there are no differences and errors in his conversation. The forum forbids the use of Google translators in local sections, but the forum will not even notice if a person speaks without errors Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: GeorgeJohn on February 25, 2022, 10:39:21 AM . I don't agree with you. It doesn't matter when a user is multilingual and writes post in a different language something that makes sense on different local board and needn't be limit. If you're worried about them spamming then that's no reason to ban users from posting on different local boards when they master the language.Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: aysg76 on February 25, 2022, 11:32:42 AM To me it is better to concentrate on a particular local board where one belongs because it is like a home here in the forum which we represent and discuss matters concerning cryptocurrency in an easy way, going from one local board to the other does not make sense to me, it is like showing of his/her multilingual talent. We all are not same like some wants to restricts themselves to certain area while there are others who want to explore more boards on forum and want to participate in their conversations also.So suppose you are expert in three to four languages then you can surely have a word with them as we are not discussing any personal issues here but general crypto related so if we look at a broader perspective then we all are one community under bitcointalk forum and can engage ourselves in any healthy discussion according to me.Going outside doesn't mean we are leaving our home permanently so this goes same with writing up on different boards on forum and if he wish to do so then it's good. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: DdmrDdmr on February 25, 2022, 12:08:20 PM Although there are bound to be quite a few that have posted on local boards, I only track merit related information. To that effect, the following is a list of those accounts that have been merited on more than one local board to date:
Code: banned user_id name nMeritedLocalBoards https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F_D3hzWXl0g7iUTjfzjA7490VnVxVIsOnr-xXSFSIQA/edit?usp=sharing Note that I’m only considering Merits on Local Boards here, disregarding those in the English sections. Needless to say that being merited on a given local board does not mean fluent in the language. I figure that, the more merited on a Local Board, and the more posts one is merited on within that local board, the more the person must master the language (not a proven rule of thumb), or at the very least, bring some interesting information to that local board. There are also likely many profiles that, knowing multiple languages, for whatever reasons, do not venture to go into the local boards. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: wwzsocki on February 25, 2022, 01:04:04 PM uff
after reading the topic of course first what i thought was "damn again breaking BTT rules for years and even don't know about it" LOL ;) Luckily there is no rule for that, you are free to post anywhere even using google translator, main point is to keep on topic and add valuable comment to existing discussion, ask valuable questions, etc, main rule is to post quality content so if you hold to it everything should be ok even in most exotic boards Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Little Mouse on February 25, 2022, 02:45:01 PM Luckily there is no rule for that, you are free to post anywhere even using google translator, Here you go- 27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed. This clearly states that you are not allowed to use any automated tools to post on local board. By the way, automated translator is dangerous as it can totally change the meaning of a sentence.Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: big_daddy on February 25, 2022, 02:46:14 PM ~ you've probably checked at some recent merit history, I'm not that active the last 2 years as a was before, but I would like to add my profile to the Italian local board as well, as a native speaker, not the Croatian only ;) Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Rikafip on February 25, 2022, 05:16:56 PM From your perspective is it encouraging for someone to pertake in two different local boards ? Yeah why not, as long as you can use that language at the reasonable level. because it's has the ability of multilingual language, if we accept such act, it will give room to others and especially offsprings of this community will be using translator to engage into conversation with other local boards. If we accept? Its' already accepted, there is no such rule against being active in other local boards.This clearly states that you are not allowed to use any automated tools to post on local board. By the way, automated translator is dangerous as it can totally change the meaning of a sentence. I don't think that rule is strictly enforced when it comes to occasional post in another local board (or maybe people just don't report them as often). I personally did it several times and probably some of the others than can be found in that list DdmrDdmr shared. My guess is that rule is aimed more at those who use automatic tool to translate various announcements and then spam them across other local boards.Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: wwzsocki on February 25, 2022, 06:30:31 PM This clearly states that you are not allowed to use any automated tools to post on local board. By the way, automated translator is dangerous as it can totally change the meaning of a sentence. sure I get your point but you need to take into consideration my hall statement, of course, you can't translate content using google translator and then post it like native human translation (your own) but there are situations like when I was looking for help with Chinese, Hindi marketing or translations and needed to post there on their local forum to find candidates for this jobs. Of course I used google translator for that but did it carefully, not only translated from my native Polish to Chinese back and forth to check it but then again the same with English - Chinese just to be sure. I think if you put so much effort and use google translator to communicate then this is not against rules and if then it should be changed. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: DdmrDdmr on February 25, 2022, 06:54:38 PM I just remember an interesting thread related to this topic from a few months back: Actions against spam translators (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365489.0). Although the referenced topic has a clear context, narrower than the one being dealt with here, some of the discussion there applies here.
Since Google translations are being mentioned here in this thread, and the related rule against automated translations, I still have my doubts on its exact interpretation, and even more so as time goes by and the tools improve in their results (as of late, when referencing sources in Spanish on English boards on the matter of latam new, I tend to include the link to the Google Translation, finding it to be for the most, perfectly readable and very close to the original source’s context). I expressed my doubts here, which still remain as such: I’d like to take a step back in this conversation, and revisit the spirit of rule 27: "Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed." Here I lack the full history in order to know the exact reason why it was proposed as a rule, but it was seemingly conceived in this post: 9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board. Please expand on this with a note to the effect that "Automated machine translation, such as using google translate, does not reach the standard required to post in English." or similar. The same can be added for posting in local language boards.Quote 27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed. Here I’m talking from a conceptual point of view, and not about specific cases. Now I figure that the rule had, in principle, the objective of facilitating a seamless conversation and/or understanding on what is posted on a local board. If that were the objective, then would automated translations that are clearly intelligible be permitted? What if they only strayed a few words here and there, but were still easily intelligible? Something that has a terrible translation is obviously subpar, and certainly falls under the said rule, but on broarder terms, and just as an afterthought, we probably see a fair share of that on regular posts in the English sections, made by or assisted by tools used by non-native people. What I’m trying to get at is whether these tools, and their output, are not allowed per se (as the rule reads), or if they are if the result is good enough (albeit not perfect). <…> Note: I don't expect people to frequently resort to Google Translate or such to post on a local board, which would seem rather unnatural as a habit, but sparse non-spam/non-plagiarized like comprehensible posts could probably be given an easy pass. Every now and then, someone non-native to my local board does so, often to clarify something after being mentioned in a local board post. The resulting assisted post is, more often than not, readable and welcome. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: BITCOIN4X on February 25, 2022, 06:58:01 PM Actually I'm not emphasising or concentrating on banning of a user who choose to make use of multilingual for different boards precisely, I'm considering the factor of feature concerning writing in different local boards. if we duely embrace that as a system, it affects the community in future time, we should reason the disadvantages side of it, not only looking at the advantages aspect alone. Users wouldn't mine to use Google translator to penetrate different boards that they are not fluent for communication or interaction, so therefore i kicked against the idea of pertaken in different board, that's my point, i hope i have made it clear. I see what you mean but it seems the OP is only emphasizing on users having the ability to use two different language without the help of google translate. I don't mind if some users post fluently on different local board, but I agree as you think about those who are not fluent in different language.As far as we know some users can do it on multiple local board smoothly, that's their strength. They can do it because it's not forbidden in the rules. But wait, do you mind if someone fluent can post something quality on a different local board? If not, then let them do it as long as no rules are broken. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: JohnBitCo on February 26, 2022, 09:00:11 AM I didn't expect to find this in the "FAQ" session of the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) because it is not a common and frequently asked question. However for the benefit of people who may be in this unique position and will need clarity; -If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? There is absolutely no restrictions about this and you can post in multiple local boards as long as you have command on multiple languages. Usually, people have command on two languages, one is English (global language) and other one is your native mother tongue language (in case English is not your mother tongue). The rest of the languages are the ones we usually learn and hence may not be too much fluent in them. If you are comfortable with many languages, it's good to go and post at relevant local threads. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: bitmover on February 26, 2022, 10:37:38 PM Although there are bound to be quite a few that have posted on local boards, I only track merit related information. To that effect, the following is a list of those accounts that have been merited on more than one local board to date: Code: banned user_id name nMeritedLocalBoards https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F_D3hzWXl0g7iUTjfzjA7490VnVxVIsOnr-xXSFSIQA/edit?usp=sharing Note that I’m only considering Merits on Local Boards here, disregarding those in the English sections. Needless to say that being merited on a given local board does not mean fluent in the language. I figure that, the more merited on a Local Board, and the more posts one is merited on within that local board, the more the person must master the language (not a proven rule of thumb), or at the very least, bring some interesting information to that local board. There are also likely many profiles that, knowing multiple languages, for whatever reasons, do not venture to go into the local boards. Intersting data. Although I have been merited in many local boards (7) I am only fluent in English and Portuguese. Most of my merited posts in other boards come from a few data analysis and charys i have created in multiple boards, which can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256463.msg54641847#msg5464184 Most of my posts in multiple languages are Google translated with the original (English text) below. I have seen other users do that as well aand i believe anyone is free to do so , as long it is necessary and a useful post. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: fillippone on February 26, 2022, 11:08:09 PM Code: banned user_id name nMeritedLocalBoards I am fluent in a couple of language, I have a working knowledge of another one, and I speak basic of a fourth one. Of course I ventured in many local board for my translation project. I think the best option is to write in English, then provide a courtesy translation via Google Translate for those not speaking English, providing an explicit reference to the fact you are housing GT. Often, when posting on local boards GT use is frowned upon. Not being a paid service it is not forbid. But it is a discretion of the local moderator. So I think that the best option is always be very clear when using GT to post. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: shasan on February 27, 2022, 08:52:43 AM -If i can speak, understand and write correctly in two or more languages, can i be a member of multiple local boards and engage in their various local discussions in their respective languages? Is there any rule against it? You can be a member of as many local board as you can. To be a member or post on a local board is a one basic rule and that is you should be fluent in writing on that language. If you try to write by translating then that will not be allowed. Also, many a people of that local board will report against you. I had created two topics on local board which was free service but latter came to know it is not right then I had deleted my content as the topic could not be deleted.Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Pmalek on February 27, 2022, 09:32:53 AM Code: banned user_id name nMeritedLocalBoards I wish the Scandinavian board was more active. Would be nice to remind myself the Swedish language. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: wwzsocki on February 27, 2022, 10:31:36 PM I am fluent in a couple of language, I have a working knowledge of another one... I think the best option is to write in English, then provide a courtesy translation via Google Translate for those not speaking English, providing an explicit reference to the fact you are housing GT... Fully agree with you, I myself also am fluent in few languages, also merited in few local boards and still I was in need to use Google Translator to be able to post on some local board like Chinese that I can't speak myself and such simple rule about using translators could bring a lot more clarity not only to such short comments as mine or discussions but also for more advanced content that is written by BTT members. Many times, many great texts will be not translated at all because of actual rules if you can't use translators and post that content in local boards. I need to add here that I work in crypto, gambling translations niche from quite some time and have extended knowledge about translators and their quality. In last years AI and Machine Learning did such big progress that automated translations are very good and many times Google translator is good as human. Crypto is more as 10 years here and these tools already learned crypto slang, new words that where problematic for translators like Google few years ago and the main reason that experienced in crypto translators saw so much demand are not more the case. In last year this niche of crypto translations ended literally at all because majority use automated tools, not only because are way cheaper then humans but also a lot faster and unfortunately for us lately even better. And if some project hire a service to do human crypto translations for them, believe me 90% of such services use automated translators anyway LOL ;) AI will change the world and take many jobs from humans this is great example. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: fillippone on February 28, 2022, 11:55:07 AM And if some project hire a service to do human crypto translations for them, believe me 90% of such services uses automated translators anyway LOL ;) AI will change the world and take many jobs from humans this is great example. Not sure if you agree with @bitmover for something he has said, or you agree with me, and erroneously attributed to @bitmover (I am not taking in consideration a plagiarism by bitmover!) Anyway, yes. Automated translators have considerably raised their level in the last years, and spotting an automated translation si becoming harder and harder (I am referring here to English/main languages translations). Also spotting AI written posts is becoming more difficult, but this is another story: AI writing messages on Bitcointalk.org (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263133) Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: KingsDen on February 28, 2022, 05:38:31 PM The forum forbids the use of Google translators in local sections, but the forum will not even notice if a person speaks without errors Are there strong reasons the forum forbids the use of translators in the local boards?How about if someone desires to learn a particular language, by being in this forum and using the translators will aid the person achieve his goal. The forum is known for being generous in knowledge sharing, I wish I can really know the reason behind the local board - translator clause. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: wwzsocki on February 28, 2022, 08:51:37 PM Not sure if you agree with @bitmover for something he has said, or you agree with me, and erroneously attributed to @bitmover (I am not taking in consideration a plagiarism by bitmover!)... "...erroneously attributed to @bitmover..." - yes my bad, sorry ...Anyway, yes. Automated translators have considerably raised their level in the last years, and spotting an automated translation si becoming harder and harder (I am referring here to English/main languages translations)... I have tested few translators with few languages and all of them are great, humans make more mistakes, to be honest majority of translators use these tools from always to make their work easier and faster, of course you can't just copy and paste some text but with proper editing such tool is each translator best friend. On this forum because we have rules that not allow using translators nobody confirms to use them, to not get in trouble, but the truth is different. I think rules should be changed, automated translators are better with each day and all that matters in here on forum is quality in the end, so let's allow HQ automated translations with proper annotation, that's it. If translation is good does it matter if was translated automatically, especially if there is such statement under it? Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 01, 2022, 05:41:41 AM The forum forbids the use of Google translators in local sections, but the forum will not even notice if a person speaks without errors Are there strong reasons the forum forbids the use of translators in the local boards?How about if someone desires to learn a particular language, by being in this forum and using the translators will aid the person achieve his goal. The forum is known for being generous in knowledge sharing, I wish I can really know the reason behind the local board - translator clause. Why are you asking me this? Did I write this rule? I stand by what is acknowledged by the community, it is your right to use or not a translator, trusting it completely, and being responsible for the consequences accordingly. Are you sure that you can correctly formulate your thoughts when writing something in the Chinese section (for example)? While I sometimes have difficulty understanding what Google translates, are you confident that native speakers in any locale will understand the translator's language? Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Rockstarguy on March 02, 2022, 09:52:15 AM The forum forbids the use of Google translators in local sections, but the forum will not even notice if a person speaks without errors Are there strong reasons the forum forbids the use of translators in the local boards?How about if someone desires to learn a particular language, by being in this forum and using the translators will aid the person achieve his goal. The forum is known for being generous in knowledge sharing, I wish I can really know the reason behind the local board - translator clause. Translator can be use to follow up on discussions that may seems interesting to a member just to have knowledge about the topics that is been discussed, it will not make sense if a person who can't speak or understand the language of a particular local board to use a translator to participate on that discussion because sometimes translator can't give proper meaning of a language, this can also be a problem for members of the local board to get better understanding of what is been translated. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: fillippone on March 02, 2022, 10:43:33 AM If translation is good does it matter if was translated automatically, especially if there is such statement under it? I guess the rule had also the aim not to favour spam across the forum. Allowing automated translations would mean each “project” can flood the forum in every local board, while the necessity of a human intervention can slow down, raising costs, this process. This is why I would be careful removing this rule, even if the quality of automated translations has improved so much lately. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: wwzsocki on March 02, 2022, 03:01:15 PM ...I would be careful removing this rule... of course, I am always bit too fast, adjust it not to remove at all, I agree that this rule is needed on this forum, with some exceptions and additional requirements could work much better, everything in crypto evolves pretty fast and sometimes rules also needs to be updated, maybe this is the case but this is only my personal opinion. I am aware that I don't see many things, one of them as you mentioned “project can flood the forum in every local board" for sure mods could bring here in few seconds more great examples to keep this rule rolling, yeah we need to talk is the only way to get there. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Peanutswar on March 04, 2022, 03:06:09 AM as far as I know, we dont have any rule regarding posting into another language but in some cases, I guess we need to prevent delivering wrong information on the discussion because sometimes having the proper translation might give towards misleading information to their local community we know that not translator is accurate but if the member has an understanding and really know how language well it's fit and good to communicate to other local board.
Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Pmalek on March 04, 2022, 08:02:26 AM I guess we need to prevent delivering wrong information on the discussion because sometimes having the proper translation might give towards misleading information to their local community we know that not translator is accurate but if the member has an understanding and really know how language well it's fit and good to communicate to other local board. There are actually no limitations and no central authority that decides what is true and what isn't. The information can be completely inaccurate or misleading but if it doesn't break one of the rules, such as the low-value post rule, spam, etc., it won't get deleted. You can create a thread saying that Satoshi was an NBA player who created Bitcoin as an exchange medium between basketball players. Unfortunately, the information leaked and the FBI released a whitepaper in his name to the general public. As long as this discussion takes place in the correct section and follows all other forum rules, it's good to go. You won't be censored by the admins. You might be told you are a degenerate, but that's another discussion :D. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: Smartvirus on March 05, 2022, 08:20:23 AM Translator can be use to follow up on discussions that may seems interesting to a member just to have knowledge about the topics that is been discussed, it will not make sense if a person who can't speak or understand the language of a particular local board to use a translator to participate on that discussion because sometimes translator can't give proper meaning of a language, this can also be a problem for members of the local board to get better understanding of what is been translated. I haven't thought of it this way until about now and it's very true. You know, translators focus on giving meaning to individual words and words could be contextual. In fact, some languages though spoken forward is interpreted from the rear to make sense (I don't know if you guys get the message I'm trying to present here and I wish you do). That could be the case and participating in such a people's discussion could lead you astray and also, set some confusion to what is being discussed.There might be no rule restricting a users encroachment on other nation's local board but for a discussion to stay the course of its people as per how they are mostly affected and would help them the most, I think it should be reserved for the locals only. By locals, it doesn't mean of the particular origin but, being surrounded by the same environment or boundaries. Title: Re: Fluent with multiple languages, can i join multiple local boards? Post by: coupable on March 05, 2022, 04:45:33 PM Me myself i used to join English discussions since i start using the forum 2015. At that time i don't remember if a board with my local language was created [Arabic]. Then since 2018, i used to frequent arabic board after i saw many good forum members are in there ; arabic is my mother tongue and french is my second language and i can even pratice it better than English but unfortunetly there are no much activities out there but i posted in few times anyway.
Posting in multiple languages can't be forbidden whatever the reason expect you post with a language out of its appropriate board or using automatic translation tools . |