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Title: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: laredo7mm on March 02, 2022, 05:14:38 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?
Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: jackg on March 02, 2022, 05:25:50 PM The West was kinda forced to impose sanctions on Russia though? Would you have expected the UK, France, Germany and a few other countries to only have started sanctioning Russia when they came to attack the EU's sovereignty.
Many other countries have started to develop primitive versions of raw material extraction that could compete well with Russia and most countries (including Russia) can likely get past these sanctions by doing what they're already doing and sending the raw materials to China to be assembled into products. Japan and the US also hold the rights to produce the main computer chips these days too and I'm not sure Russia would have the capabilities to do that - as well as the rest of the world - on its own. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: bittraffic on March 02, 2022, 05:55:54 PM All countries are affected especially oil and gas importers. China produces more of these IT products making them a valuable ally of Russia. I guess this makes thier business going if finished products goes out from China. So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Oluwa-btc on March 02, 2022, 06:06:05 PM Zero doubts they ( Russia ) are the best are gas production and distribution, but one thing I know is that, the world can do without the best. Before this sanctions by United States, I believe they had back up plans before taking such decisions on them, but you see, Russia has indeed abused their power, this is not the best way to handle this.
I don't know much about their information technology sector,but sure thing they'll strive. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 02, 2022, 06:12:50 PM Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Very good idea and no it won't have a boomerang effect it will have a GAU-8 effect. Let me ask you something if I'm the only doctor in a village, and without me, nobody could get an operation or medicine or treatment, are you going to allow me to take your house, beat your kids and rape your family just because I'm the only one providing that? Or are you going to kick me out and search for another doctor? It's not so hard, use your brain! So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues. Welcome to the real world, where things are different from behind the monitor: Oil price rises again as buyers shun Russian crude https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60584798 Quote Almost 70% of Russian crude oil exports do not have a buyer according to UK-based research consultancy, Energy Aspects. On Tuesday, oil trader Trafigura offered a cargo load of Russian crude oil at a record discount of $18.60 per barrel below the market rate for Brent, but could not find a buyer willing to take the risk. You see, they have oil but they need the money so much they are selling it actually cheaper than before the crisis and the sanctions. Europe will be able to pay 20$ more for a full tank, will Russians survive on 50% less bread? This is not simcity or age of empires, this is a real war! Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Coyster on March 02, 2022, 07:05:36 PM Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Russia pushed itself out of the Global economy when they went ahead to invade Ukraine, that was a totally wrong move in every sense of the word, of course 'business' would be much better and things will go on smoothly without this sanctions, likewise so without this needless war, thus there is no way the entire world was going to watch Russia get away with this, and mind you that the consequences of their action isn't going to be ephemeral, but long lasting, cause even after all this is over, Russia will more or less be a pariah country for some while.Having said that, there is no disputing the fact that Russia is important, but i am pretty sure if they stand on their importance and use it to cause mayhem and sufferings for others, then alternatives can be found, and they will somewhat be cut off. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: tabas on March 02, 2022, 07:14:14 PM AFAIK, there's already a shortage for the past years and even with sanctions, we're still in short. But I think that these chip making companies have already made their stocks before the war and they're going to manufacture it. In fact, there were news about their newest release of chips and that's why I think that they've already made it before this war has erupted. The sanction is the way to make Russia stop because if there's no sanction, they'll still feel that they're at the top.
Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: dunfida on March 02, 2022, 07:43:41 PM All countries are affected especially oil and gas importers. China produces more of these IT products making them a valuable ally of Russia. I guess this makes thier business going if finished products goes out from China. So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues. supply that they are the only ones could able to do so specially on neighboring countries which does mean that it would heavily affect and for sure they would really still consider out on making such decision totally and they couldnt just let it to happen but if it is been push through but still there's some sort of underground transactions.What you do think? Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: jackg on March 02, 2022, 10:16:28 PM Zero doubts they ( Russia ) are the best are gas production and distribution, but one thing I know is that, the world can do without the best. They're the third biggest oil and gas producer (they're quite big but not too huge). So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues. There was also news Ukraine were trying to save the pipeline that connects Russia to the EU and provides them with gas. I'm not sure if this is just a pipe that will temporarily stay active and then be shut off, it has done well to collapse the rouble and the Russian stock market though (or at least continue the crash). Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: laredo7mm on March 03, 2022, 04:34:33 AM Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Very good idea and no it won't have a boomerang effect it will have a GAU-8 effect. Let me ask you something if I'm the only doctor in a village, and without me, nobody could get an operation or medicine or treatment, are you going to allow me to take your house, beat your kids and rape your family just because I'm the only one providing that? Or are you going to kick me out and search for another doctor? It's not so hard, use your brain! Yes, you are right but rushing to do this causes damage to some people too. If you are willing to sacrifice that then it's okay. But EU needs gas for their industry and Russia and Ukraine combined supply 50% of total natural gas in the EU. So isn't it wiser to find an alternative first than punishing that oppressor? I saw Ukrainian racism for Indian and black people. In some places, Ukranien beat those people. Their injustice behaves towards these people could lose support from their country. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Obito on March 03, 2022, 05:17:50 AM With the application of cyber warfare in the war with Ukraine, I think that other countries are planning to consider investing in upgrading their cyber warfare too especially those that have a nuclear arsenal and have advance weaponry and I think that it's worth investing in cyber security because from now on, it's going to be an integral part of any future warfare which I am sure won't ever end.
Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 03, 2022, 06:29:40 AM I saw Ukrainian racism for Indian and black people. In some places, Ukranien beat those people. Their injustice behaves towards these people could lose support from their country. That is indeed what is happening now. Any sane person who thinks about all the hasty decisions Europe has made understands the complexity of what is happening. Is everything that is being done right now? How will this affect the peoples that are involved in the conflict? But there is another side that really does not want to see Russia succeed economically, so all sanctions come into effect so quickly that it remains to be thought that they weren't ready yesterday. There are two truths that people now believe. The Internet has become a "nuclear" weapon for many. The countries that support Russia once went through all the paths the US arranged for them, and they understand that Ukraine is just a pretext for sanctions. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Dave1 on March 03, 2022, 07:42:51 AM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? I thought it was the other way around, Russian needed those materials, that's why the US and the West put a sanction on them, as EU rely gas on them, Russia rely raw materials that you have mentioned from the US. So there will be no shortage in the West or even in Asia, but the effects will be felt by the Russian government. So now it turns out to be a battle of attrition. EU will have to find another way to get gas, while Russia will become self reliant and their industries that rely on those raw materials will have to reinvent themselves. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: poldanmig on March 03, 2022, 12:04:06 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? The main strength of the Russian economy so far has been in its mining products, so if America continues to impose sanctions on Russia, of course this will also cause industrial panic in Europe, Russia is the largest nickel producer in the world, which is around 20%, besides that they also produce such as aluminum, gold, copper, bauxite, and also oil and gas which are the basic needs of European countries, as the largest producer of mineral mines, of course America sanctions may not be too bad affect Russia in the future, because Russia may sell their products to countries outside Europe who are also not America's allies, I think the sanctions imposed by America will affect their own economy because so far America is a consuming country that brings raw materials from other countries other countries including from russia.Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Reid on March 03, 2022, 12:45:00 PM Both are affected. They may have the precious metals for the items but do they have the production to do it? If not, then they are relying on whatever was sent to them by other countries and in this case computer devices or electronics.
A big problem globally when a sanction happens and if ever there are countries who could offer the same item it won't suffice the need in the market or there will be a shortage of it which might be recovered years. That is true, they may be an increase in price that will come but we just don't feel it yet. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 03, 2022, 04:09:39 PM So isn't it wiser to find an alternative first than punishing that oppressor? No, the wiser thing is to destroy the oppressor first and then think of rebuilding. I saw Ukrainian racism for Indian and black people. In some places, Ukranien beat those people. Their injustice behaves towards these people could lose support from their country. Oh, you couldn't stop yourself right? Russia is the most tolerable nation for all races and sexual orientations on earth. The very fact that those foreign students were in that country first gives you a clue but seems you couldn't override some instructions. That is indeed what is happening now. Any sane person who thinks about all the hasty decisions Europe has made understands the complexity of what is happening. Is everything that is being done right now? How will this affect the peoples that are involved in the conflict? But there is another side that really does not want to see Russia succeed economically, so all sanctions come into effect so quickly that it remains to be thought that they weren't ready yesterday. The west wanted Russia to succeed, that's why we invested there that's why we traded with them, hoping that economical ties would prevent a war, look at the German and Japanese model, 180 degrees change from 1938. And for your second thing, yeah, of course, the sanctions were thought in advance, the list is from 2014 when we didn't apply them to Russia hoping that it will stop with Crimea, seems that we were wrong and we needed to hammer them down from the invasion of Georgia if not earlier. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: tygeade on March 03, 2022, 09:48:06 PM The main strength of the Russian economy so far has been in its mining products, so if America continues to impose sanctions on Russia, of course this will also cause industrial panic in Europe, Russia is the largest nickel producer in the world, which is around 20%, besides that they also produce such as aluminum, gold, copper, bauxite, and also oil and gas which are the basic needs of European countries, as the largest producer of mineral mines, of course America sanctions may not be too bad affect Russia in the future, because Russia may sell their products to countries outside Europe who are also not America's allies, I think the sanctions imposed by America will affect their own economy because so far America is a consuming country that brings raw materials from other countries other countries including from russia. Obviously, it will have some impact on Europe and that is undoubtful, and it may even cost a little more for them. But what Europe is trying to do here is that, since they are rich and they can pay top price for these things, and since Russia is sanctioned from them, that means Russia will have to sell it to other nations who are not as rich as the west.And that means Russia will have to sell it for cheaper, sell to china, sell to India, sell to anywhere that accepts it, even Africa if they have to. In that case the cheaper product would be bought from that third nation, for a lot less and Russia would not make that profit as the same. Like assume there is a thing costs 100 bucks to sell to west, west declines it, so you sell it to 50 to Nigera, then west buys for 80 from Nigeria. You see west made a profit of %20 on each sale, and Nigera made a profit as well, whereas Russia made a 50% loss. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Fortify on March 04, 2022, 05:59:22 AM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Nobody wants any conflict with Russia, it is them who have invaded a free and democratic country to expand their authoritarian tyranny. Unfortunately Putin has chosen this path and there is much suffering happening right now - mostly against civilians. Unless firm action is taken then he will never stop and he is looking more like Hitler every day. Yes there will be many economic consequences like the one you mention, but a stand must be taken if we are talking about defending the open societies that we live in today. When this sick old man is wiped from the planet all trade can quickly return to normal. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: laredo7mm on March 04, 2022, 04:03:05 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Nobody wants any conflict with Russia, it is them who have invaded a free and democratic country to expand their authoritarian tyranny. Unfortunately Putin has chosen this path and there is much suffering happening right now - mostly against civilians. Unless firm action is taken then he will never stop and he is looking more like Hitler every day. Yes there will be many economic consequences like the one you mention, but a stand must be taken if we are talking about defending the open societies that we live in today. When this sick old man is wiped from the planet all trade can quickly return to normal. I do not want to take any side here but we should judge the situation from Russia's perspective too. What will you do if you find out that your neighbor has something that can be used against you to destroy you? Can you sleep peacefully? If you read the history of the soviet era then you will see what the USA did when they find out the soviet deployed missiles in Cuba. A nuclear conflict was very close. Everybody has the right to secure their border and make sure their neighbor keeps good relation with them. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 04, 2022, 04:04:52 PM And that means Russia will have to sell it for cheaper, sell to china, sell to India, sell to anywhere that accepts it, even Africa if they have to. In that case the cheaper product would be bought from that third nation, for a lot less and Russia would not make that profit as the same. Like assume there is a thing costs 100 bucks to sell to west, west declines it, so you sell it to 50 to Nigera, then west buys for 80 from Nigeria. You see west made a profit of %20 on each sale, and Nigera made a profit as well, whereas Russia made a 50% loss. Finally, some poeple actually understand how things work! If Russia could have sold its products for a profit it would have done so before, if Russians would want Chinese cars and Chinese cars were better they would have had their country full of them by now and not Japanese and European models. All Russia can do now is offer discounts to other countries, lose money and, guess what becomes itself a prisoner in trade since if those countries say no, there is nobody on this earth to deal with and you end up like NK. Also, to add to that example. Russia will sell all the oil it was selling to Europe to Asia. God, but what about the ones that were previously selling oil to Asia, they will either lower the price so Rusia can't sell at a profit, or, just as simple, they will sell that oil to Europe. Some of you artificially create open markets which Russia will suddenly take over and have no adversary, this is NOT how things work.! Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: zasad@ on March 04, 2022, 04:18:12 PM And that means Russia will have to sell it for cheaper, sell to china, sell to India, sell to anywhere that accepts it, even Africa if they have to. In that case the cheaper product would be bought from that third nation, for a lot less and Russia would not make that profit as the same. Like assume there is a thing costs 100 bucks to sell to west, west declines it, so you sell it to 50 to Nigera, then west buys for 80 from Nigeria. You see west made a profit of %20 on each sale, and Nigera made a profit as well, whereas Russia made a 50% loss. Finally, some poeple actually understand how things work! If Russia could have sold its products for a profit it would have done so before, if Russians would want Chinese cars and Chinese cars were better they would have had their country full of them by now and not Japanese and European models. All Russia can do now is offer discounts to other countries, lose money and, guess what becomes itself a prisoner in trade since if those countries say no, there is nobody on this earth to deal with and you end up like NK. Also, to add to that example. Russia will sell all the oil it was selling to Europe to Asia. God, but what about the ones that were previously selling oil to Asia, they will either lower the price so Rusia can't sell at a profit, or, just as simple, they will sell that oil to Europe. Some of you artificially create open markets which Russia will suddenly take over and have no adversary, this is NOT how things work.! That is, Russian profit works for the economy of the Americas and Europe. If Part of this money is spent in Russia, then the country will have one of the best IT Sectors in the world. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Fortify on March 04, 2022, 04:30:38 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Maybe you should do some basic research before making such claims - Russia is only the biggest exporter for 2 out of the 5 precious metals that you've listed. The Russian economy is in tatters right now because of Putin's unjustified war, so commodities and energy are some of the only income they've got coming into the country. If they decide to stop selling those then they will end up shutting off some of their final sources of revenue and put the final nails in the economic coffin. They might continue to sell these things to China, but China will take maximum advantage of the situation and offer the absolute minimum price in return. It looks like there will be disruption for all sorts of reasons from this war, but it's unlikely to be related to the couple ore exports where they are the biggest supplier. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 04, 2022, 04:40:23 PM You are absolutely correct, and I am even ready to agree with you. But then explain to me what is the difference at what price to sell oil, if the profits from the sale of oil are sent to the National Wealth Fund of Russia, and this fund sends 2/3 of this money (that's hundreds of billions of dollars) to American and European banks :) Pretty simple. Do you know how you can get a loan here? You must have collateral or an escrow guaranteeing your reimbursement. If Russia would keep all its reserves in their own banks then nobody would trust Russian companies to pay their debts, that's why Venezuela had gold in London, that's why India has reserve currency in Tokyo and that's why the entire world is interconnected. Nobody will grant a loan to Zimbabwe with assets claimed to be in Zimbabwe bank, cause they know if things go wrong there is no insurance. As for direct investments, one must ask yourself why poeple choose to invest in foreign companies and not Russian. Maybe the same thing happened when: - despite Russia having the first vaccine and 3 more before the western world poeple choose not to get vacicnated? - people buying foreign stuff and not russian made ones? - the previous experience of how if a Russian company is not doing as Putin likes is bought down to zero in a second? The problem is that you trust yourself less than you trust the west, I've seen that numerous times, even on this forum. If Part of this money is spent in Russia, then the country will have one of the best IT Sectors in the world. And that has worked wonders from 45 to 91, right? Btw, what is your IT sector going to run on, Elbrus chips? https://www.tomshardware.com/news/russias-biggest-bank-tests-elbrus-cpu-finds-it-unacceptable Oh wait, even your russian chips are made by TSMC. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: ivankoh on March 04, 2022, 05:05:22 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? I know that Russia is a country rich in resources and diverse in terms of most of the metals they have enough, the fact that Russia is confident in the war with Ukraine is also for this reason, they are able to maintain and export. most of the raw materials, oil and gas energy for the Western region, obviously if it's related to IT like chips or technology, I think they also import most of them from the US. Also, they are very confident about “cyber warfare” - I think they also have evidence of a big development for ITThe risk of change will compound to sanctions and Russia will have to find a way to manage and cope and sustain the economy going forward, it is clear that they are having an unexpected loss to the economy with sanctions from the West. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: zasad@ on March 04, 2022, 05:24:34 PM You are absolutely correct, and I am even ready to agree with you. But then explain to me what is the difference at what price to sell oil, if the profits from the sale of oil are sent to the National Wealth Fund of Russia, and this fund sends 2/3 of this money (that's hundreds of billions of dollars) to American and European banks :) Pretty simple. Do you know how you can get a loan here? You must have collateral or an escrow guaranteeing your reimbursement. If Russia would keep all its reserves in their own banks then nobody would trust Russian companies to pay their debts, that's why Venezuela had gold in London, that's why India has reserve currency in Tokyo and that's why the entire world is interconnected. Nobody will grant a loan to Zimbabwe with assets claimed to be in Zimbabwe bank, cause they know if things go wrong there is no insurance. As for direct investments, one must ask yourself why poeple choose to invest in foreign companies and not Russian. Maybe the same thing happened when: - despite Russia having the first vaccine and 3 more before the western world poeple choose not to get vacicnated? - people buying foreign stuff and not russian made ones? - the previous experience of how if a Russian company is not doing as Putin likes is bought down to zero in a second? The problem is that you trust yourself less than you trust the west, I've seen that numerous times, even on this forum. If Part of this money is spent in Russia, then the country will have one of the best IT Sectors in the world. And that has worked wonders from 45 to 91, right? Btw, what is your IT sector going to run on, Elbrus chips? https://www.tomshardware.com/news/russias-biggest-bank-tests-elbrus-cpu-finds-it-unacceptable Oh wait, even your russian chips are made by TSMC. And you are laughing in vain about Elbrus processors. This company was not inferior to American counterparts in 1992, but then it was a very difficult time in Russia, but thanks to the efforts of many scientists and politicians, this enterprise was saved. 10-15 billion dollars of investment and in 5-7 years Russia will have a modern production of processors. This is not a lot of money for the Russian budget. I read that many companies in America and Europe make their chips at TSMC factories. In Russia, there are microelectronics factories with a process technology of 60-80 nm. All we need is time and investment. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 04, 2022, 05:54:18 PM As for finances, I think this is an agreement between Russia and the world's financial elites. Why should Russia take loans if its budget is in surplus? Because a company is not all the companies as a whole. Every single one of them works with surplus and debt, that's why we have SWIFT for banks and that's why we have reserve funds, to allow settlements. Seriously, have you just woke up and realized that you have a better way to do world trade nobody has thought of it before? And you are laughing in vain about Elbrus processors. This company was not inferior to American counterparts in 1992, but then it was a very difficult time in Russia, but thanks to the efforts of many scientists and politicians, this enterprise was saved. It's not me who is laughing it's all the world, deal with it, it's an ancient chip. Can you please back your claim with some REAL world facts? 10-15 billion dollars of investment and in 5-7 years Russia will have a modern production of processors. This is not a lot of money for the Russian budget. I read that many companies in America and Europe make their chips at TSMC factories. In Russia, there are microelectronics factories with a process technology of 60-80 nm. All we need is time and investment. Again, stop believing in fairy tales: TSMC to Invest Up to $44 Billion in 2022 to Beef Up Chip Production (https://www.wsj.com/articles/tsmc-to-invest-up-to-44-billion-in-2022-to-beef-up-chip-production-11642076019) Do you think that with 10 billion over 7 years you're going to catch up with companies that have poured in development hundred of billions to date? Don't you see that even other real first-world economies are struggling to build a chip factory even with already developed fab techniques and you think out of blue Russia will do it ...cause? Propaganda will never beat reality. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: SirLancelot on March 04, 2022, 05:59:45 PM All countries are affected especially oil and gas importers. China produces more of these IT products making them a valuable ally of Russia. I guess this makes thier business going if finished products goes out from China. Although it's big but it wasn't 100% and there are still 60% left where they can get so the business still continues. They can sacrifice a lot of things only to continue the sanctions because that is what Russia deserves.So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues. For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Before they do the sanction they also realize if what it would be the effect to them not just on Russia but they still do it so that means they are not really worried. For them, what important is to to pay Russia for the actions that they made and besides the technology that we have right now are already advanced and it won't hurt if we can wait for some time to release another brand new versions of it. There are other important things that are affected by the sanctions than the IT sector IMO.Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: zasad@ on March 06, 2022, 12:13:35 PM As for finances, I think this is an agreement between Russia and the world's financial elites. Why should Russia take loans if its budget is in surplus? Because a company is not all the companies as a whole. Every single one of them works with surplus and debt, that's why we have SWIFT for banks and that's why we have reserve funds, to allow settlements. Seriously, have you just woke up and realized that you have a better way to do world trade nobody has thought of it before? And you are laughing in vain about Elbrus processors. This company was not inferior to American counterparts in 1992, but then it was a very difficult time in Russia, but thanks to the efforts of many scientists and politicians, this enterprise was saved. It's not me who is laughing it's all the world, deal with it, it's an ancient chip. Can you please back your claim with some REAL world facts? 10-15 billion dollars of investment and in 5-7 years Russia will have a modern production of processors. This is not a lot of money for the Russian budget. I read that many companies in America and Europe make their chips at TSMC factories. In Russia, there are microelectronics factories with a process technology of 60-80 nm. All we need is time and investment. Again, stop believing in fairy tales: TSMC to Invest Up to $44 Billion in 2022 to Beef Up Chip Production (https://www.wsj.com/articles/tsmc-to-invest-up-to-44-billion-in-2022-to-beef-up-chip-production-11642076019) Do you think that with 10 billion over 7 years you're going to catch up with companies that have poured in development hundred of billions to date? Don't you see that even other real first-world economies are struggling to build a chip factory even with already developed fab techniques and you think out of blue Russia will do it ...cause? Propaganda will never beat reality. The most important thing is that Russia has its own factories and technologies. If you are interested in the history of the processor in Elbrus, you can find it on the links in Wikipedia (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81_(%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2)) and information about the latest models (http://www.mcst.ru/elbrus-16c). If the country's leadership decides to create Russian analogues, then there will be no problems with investments. Russia has a huge budget surplus. Ukraine has been a major supplier of wheat to Europe, prices have already increased by 40%. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: laredo7mm on March 06, 2022, 04:08:33 PM The most important thing is that Russia has its own factories and technologies. If you are interested in the history of the processor in Elbrus, you can find it on the links in Wikipedia (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81_(%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2)) and information about the latest models (http://www.mcst.ru/elbrus-16c). If the country's leadership decides to create Russian analogues, then there will be no problems with investments. Russia has a huge budget surplus. Ukraine has been a major supplier of wheat to Europe, prices have already increased by 40%. You are right about Russia. This country is massive and they do not need to import any technology to do farming and other essential needs. They can survive without any foreign trade at least they will not suffer from hunger. Russia and Ukraine are the biggest suppliers of wheat in Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon, and Syria too. The price of wheat is already skyrocketing in that country which causes public unrest. They also declared to stop supplying gas to the EU. Things will be difficult for the west. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 06, 2022, 04:21:33 PM The most important thing is that Russia has its own factories and technologies. If you are interested in the history of the processor in Elbrus, you can find it on the links in Wikipedia (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81_(%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2)) and information about the latest models (http://www.mcst.ru/elbrus-16c). Nope, it doesn't work like that. You made some claims on the Russian processors being on par with western ones in 92 then you send a wiki link? Man up and say it, you just threw that out for your wounded pride, you knew deep down that there was never any comparison between them So, care to share the details of how Russian chips specs were the same during the 90s? If the country's leadership decides to create Russian analogues, then there will be no problems with investments. Russia has a huge budget surplus. Ukraine has been a major supplier of wheat to Europe, prices have already increased by 40%. Again, stop reading Russian propaganda (that might be hard for you, but try it) and face reality: The World Is Gobbling Up European Wheat Like Never Before (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-26/the-world-is-gobbling-up-european-wheat-like-never-before) Quote Countries around the world are loading up on European wheat at the fastest pace ever after poor harvests in other major exporters. The European Union’s exports may top 11 million tons by the end of this month, according to Nathan Cordier, an analyst at consultant Agritel. That would be 25% more than a year earlier and the most for that time of the season in EU data going back two decades. Europe produces more than one and a half the wheat Russia does. You are right about Russia. This country is massive and they do not need to import any technology to do farming and other essential needs. Meanwhile, in reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sddZlKYfRik), Russians are trampling each other over the last cooking pot available before IKEA closes. ;) Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: fiulpro on March 06, 2022, 04:37:50 PM What else can they do ?
They have to become more self sustainable and at the same time they have to look for other options for them, which would involve finding countries that can import such stuff. I do think China might take over soon and at the same time they don't have some out of the world technologies therefore some eligible countries might take over on that part. Rest they are looking forward to enable the bitcoins and mining as well which would also have a great impact on the whole thing, at the end of the day, the sanctions are important to cut off the government funding at the moment since they are literally threatening nuclear war at the moment. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Imranbutt44 on March 06, 2022, 04:48:25 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Russia is not a small country. If they put sanctions on russians, it will not only affect the russian people but globally the world will be affected. The reason is that many countries import a lot of commodities from russians and sanctions on russia will globally affect the economy. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: macson on March 06, 2022, 05:38:59 PM All countries are affected especially oil and gas importers. China produces more of these IT products making them a valuable ally of Russia. I guess this makes thier business going if finished products goes out from China. So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues. It is very difficult for Europe to cut off the Russian oil and gas business that has been running to Europe so far...i imagine there will be many bad things if strict sanctions are given to the Russian oil and gas business. i think it would be more effective if the sanction was only imposed on the football team and the Russian currency (rubel). Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: kaya11 on March 06, 2022, 05:53:02 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Why should we worry about that boomerang effect? We should be talking about how would they respond with those sanctions. There's no need for chips anymore if Putin pressed that red button. No need for devices as such, there will be less humans walking on the surface of the earth. I think this is a time for us to worry about starting to dig our tunnels if we still want to survive. This is crucial moment and also, the food will be scarce, can't have those chips be in my stomach. These greedy war mongers don't give a shit about us common folks. That is why I am starting to be independent, plant your food and Don't rely on them too much, we can still live without those chips and oil. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: zasad@ on March 06, 2022, 07:00:22 PM The most important thing is that Russia has its own factories and technologies. If you are interested in the history of the processor in Elbrus, you can find it on the links in Wikipedia (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81_(%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2)) and information about the latest models (http://www.mcst.ru/elbrus-16c). Nope, it doesn't work like that. You made some claims on the Russian processors being on par with western ones in 92 then you send a wiki link? Man up and say it, you just threw that out for your wounded pride, you knew deep down that there was never any comparison between them So, care to share the details of how Russian chips specs were the same during the 90s? If the country's leadership decides to create Russian analogues, then there will be no problems with investments. Russia has a huge budget surplus. Ukraine has been a major supplier of wheat to Europe, prices have already increased by 40%. Again, stop reading Russian propaganda (that might be hard for you, but try it) and face reality: The World Is Gobbling Up European Wheat Like Never Before (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-26/the-world-is-gobbling-up-european-wheat-like-never-before) Quote Countries around the world are loading up on European wheat at the fastest pace ever after poor harvests in other major exporters. The European Union’s exports may top 11 million tons by the end of this month, according to Nathan Cordier, an analyst at consultant Agritel. That would be 25% more than a year earlier and the most for that time of the season in EU data going back two decades. Europe produces more than one and a half the wheat Russia does. __ https://indicator.ru/mathematics/sovetskij-kompyuter-elbrus.htm Quote The next level was the Elbrus-3 supercomputer, based on a completely new ELBRUS architecture, which the developers called the “post-superscalar approach” (and which Intel, Transmeta and HP will start working on only in the mid-nineties). He passed all the tests, but the only working copy, built in 1994, was not needed by anyone in the newborn half-starved country. Its characteristics are in Wikipedia (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81_(%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2)) Quote Director of the Institute of Microprocessor Systems of the Russian Academy of Sciences, laureate of the Lenin and State Prizes, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Boris Babayan became the director of architecture in the software solutions division of Intel, where he leads a global project on computer architecture, binary compilation technology and secure computing technology to combat with viruses. Boris Babayan is one of the key developers of domestic machines of the Elbrus class, which anticipated the development of world computing technology, the creator of complex electronics and microprocessor systems on defense topics. For Russian science, languishing from the "brain drain", the loss of Boris Babayan, who took with him a large scientific team, is an irreparable loss. https://kprf.ru/news/lenta/29964.htmlThe world microprocessor leader awarded the Russian scientist with the Intel Felow title, which was awarded to 41 people in the world, no one in Europe, and 2-3 more scientists outside the USA. Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Babayan brought the entire Elbrus group of companies with branches in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Novosibirsk to Intel. Elbrus, despite the economic difficulties of the 1990s, was able to maintain its scientific potential, as evidenced by the cooperation with one of the leaders in the computer world - the American Sun, which lasted 12 years. I want to tell you that in Russia from 1991 to 2000 there were very difficult times. A lot of scientists went abroad. There was a war going on between the financial elites for influence in the country. therefore, Russia has lagged far behind other countries in these 9 years. I hope you don't consider bloomberg to be Russian propaganda :) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-25/war-in-world-s-breadbasket-leaves-big-buyers-hunting-for-wheat Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 06, 2022, 07:26:57 PM https://indicator.ru/mathematics/sovetskij-kompyuter-elbrus.htm Quote The next level was the Elbrus-3 supercomputer, based on a completely new ELBRUS architecture, which the developers called the “post-superscalar approach” (and which Intel, Transmeta and HP will start working on only in the mid-nineties). He passed all the tests, but the only working copy, built in 1994, was not needed by anyone in the newborn half-starved country. So a prototype that was never used, like the T14 or the PAK FA, yeah, the usual KGB propagnda bullshit. And if you didn't manage to get something done in the '90, not 10 years ago, how do you plan on doing it now when the times are even worse? Use your brain, who is going to keep living there knowing in the west they pay him 10 times more and he has a chance to drive something better than a lada. Oh, wait, Ladas are made by Renault, bye bye!! I hope you don't consider bloomberg to be Russian propaganda :) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-25/war-in-world-s-breadbasket-leaves-big-buyers-hunting-for-wheat Have you actually read the article? Doubt it! Quote Russia and Ukraine supply crops to a long list of countries around the world, including large volumes to buyers in the Middle East and Africa, who will have to look elsewhere and probably pay more for both the grain itself and the cost of shipping. Egypt, the top wheat importer, had scheduled a tender on Thursday but canceled it after only receiving one offer -- of French wheat. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wheat-production-by-country Europe produces 1 and a half the wheat Russia does, this is where exports from Russia and Ukraine go: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/17/infographic-russia-ukraine-and-the-global-wheat-supply-interactive Now, please tell me how is Russia going to stop those exports and NOT make more enemies of now neutral countries. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: eaLiTy on March 06, 2022, 08:19:23 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? The sanctions and the war will have have a rippling affect and if the statement above is true, the semiconductor industry will be suffering once again especially the automobile industry who was struggling with semi conductors in the past two years will undergo the same situation once again which means the entire sector will be struggling to match the user demands and production of cars and the funny thing is that it will affect US drastically as well. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: kryptqnick on March 06, 2022, 08:52:42 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? This goes both ways because chip producers and many IT brands announced leaving the Russian market. As for raw materials, I'm sure there's plenty to choose from, building up new relationships with other countries. And yes, there will be impact on the Western world from sanctions as well, but every time you doubt sanctions are reasonable, think of this: if it were Nazi Germany getting sanctioned in 1939, would you support that, even if it leads to some difficulties for you?Another option is, of course, making it all a temporary thing, changing the regime in Russia, and making new economic relations with a different government, the one that is not into bombing civilians in a neighboring country and threatening the world with its nukes. As for Russia making its own technological 'analogues' and a 'surplus' of Russian budget (zasad's points), this actually made me smile because boy oh boy that's not the case, and people in Russia will start realizing it very soon. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: gantez on March 06, 2022, 09:52:33 PM This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? The EU is looking at handling the now that it is still early and an attack on just one country that is Ukraine instead of attack on EU sovereignty. The assumption is that Russia can be leading a war against the unity of EU as a whole but coming through Ukraine. This is why they make some sanctions early enough to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. EU is choosing between supporting Ukraine and making sanctions or allowing Russia have the way and wait for what can happen next. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: zasad@ on March 07, 2022, 06:34:52 AM https://indicator.ru/mathematics/sovetskij-kompyuter-elbrus.htm Quote The next level was the Elbrus-3 supercomputer, based on a completely new ELBRUS architecture, which the developers called the “post-superscalar approach” (and which Intel, Transmeta and HP will start working on only in the mid-nineties). He passed all the tests, but the only working copy, built in 1994, was not needed by anyone in the newborn half-starved country. So a prototype that was never used, like the T14 or the PAK FA, yeah, the usual KGB propagnda bullshit. And if you didn't manage to get something done in the '90, not 10 years ago, how do you plan on doing it now when the times are even worse? Use your brain, who is going to keep living there knowing in the west they pay him 10 times more and he has a chance to drive something better than a lada. Oh, wait, Ladas are made by Renault, bye bye!! I hope you don't consider bloomberg to be Russian propaganda :) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-25/war-in-world-s-breadbasket-leaves-big-buyers-hunting-for-wheat Have you actually read the article? Doubt it! Quote Russia and Ukraine supply crops to a long list of countries around the world, including large volumes to buyers in the Middle East and Africa, who will have to look elsewhere and probably pay more for both the grain itself and the cost of shipping. Egypt, the top wheat importer, had scheduled a tender on Thursday but canceled it after only receiving one offer -- of French wheat. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wheat-production-by-country Europe produces 1 and a half the wheat Russia does, this is where exports from Russia and Ukraine go: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/17/infographic-russia-ukraine-and-the-global-wheat-supply-interactive Now, please tell me how is Russia going to stop those exports and NOT make more enemies of now neutral countries. A very funny situation when any argument is perceived as propaganda. In 1992, the KGB no longer existed and at that time there was no time for propaganda. If you are interested to know where these processors were used, then read about the S-300 missile system and S-400 missile system, which were some of the best in the world. I have a good expensive car in Russia, but I can't say that I was unhappy when I had a Lada. Not everyone wants to leave Russia to get 10 times more salary in Europe or the USA. I will not continue our interesting discussion about wheat, because I do not have time to check all the Russian and foreign articles. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: DrBeer on March 09, 2022, 07:42:10 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Let's turn a little to the manufacturing processes of microelectronics and semiconductors. The main raw materials for MODERN elements of the microelectronic industry are silicon and rare earth metals (scandium, yttrium, lanthanum and lanthanides - cerium, praseodymium, neodymium, promethium, samarium, europium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, holmium, erbium, thulium, ytterbium, lutetium ). And now the question is - what does copper, nickel, aluminum, platinum, palladium have to do with the above natural resources? :) Remember a simple fact - Russia is a technologically backward country, living only at the expense of Western technology, and having no influence on modern technology. PS A almost exclusive supplier of rare earth metals is China http://ibb.co.com/images/ukr7c8d0aba53f7ca27.jpg Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 30, 2022, 10:53:31 AM If you are interested to know where these processors were used, then read about the S-300 missile system and S-400 missile system, which were some of the best in the world. I have a good expensive car in Russia, but I can't say that I was unhappy when I had a Lada. Not everyone wants to leave Russia to get 10 times more salary in Europe or the USA. I will not continue our interesting discussion about wheat, because I do not have time to check all the Russian and foreign articles. As I told you on the other topic, let's bump this one with the miracles of Russian technology: https://motor.ru/news/granta-2022-options-26-03-2022.htm Of course, Russia will replace US chips, of course, it will replace Eu technology, of course, it will replace everything as they are just so good at doing stuff. Meanwhile, in reality: Quote According to unofficial data, the sedan in the basic configuration will have even fewer options than the "Grants" of the 2011 model. Buyers will be deprived of the only airbag, the ERA-GLONASS unit, ABS and ESP systems, the engine will be adapted to the Euro-2 eco-standard, the exhaust system will do without oxygen sensors. Similarly Oh, and be proud of your foreign expensive car, I heard you can buy a house with one of those now unless you need spare parts, which costs about a house. A lot of people in Russia will be a quick and painful awakening. Yes, western sanctions will actually cause a boomerang effect, considering that Russia is the largest supplier of raw materials for electronic equipment, especially chips. Chips are made of silicon, what you've read is about Xeon and neon but there is no crisis anywhere and it's not Russia but Ukraine who is making those. And good luck angering China with a low supply of chips that would cripple their manufacturing industry. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Findingnemo on March 30, 2022, 01:14:43 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Even in US they feel the effects already with the increase of gas prices which will cause every price to be increased but governments will not reverse the sanctions especially US but countries from EU are still buying oil from Russia and they will continue to do so the trade deals will affect everyone instead of the only one.Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: xSkylarx on March 30, 2022, 02:08:36 PM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Even in US they feel the effects already with the increase of gas prices which will cause every price to be increased but governments will not reverse the sanctions especially US but countries from EU are still buying oil from Russia and they will continue to do so the trade deals will affect everyone instead of the only one.They are purchasing because the price of oil from Russia is significantly lower than the price of oil purchased from other countries. Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist in his efforts to counter the economic sanctions that are having a negative impact on everyone, such as legalizing piracy in their country. I believe India was one of the countries that purchased oils for them at a low cost, and I believe that they will continue to do so because of the high price of gasoline currently in effect. We can only stop selling to them, but we cannot completely prevent them from doing so. Sanctions and war are making our lives worse all over the world right now. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: zasad@ on March 30, 2022, 03:21:14 PM If you are interested to know where these processors were used, then read about the S-300 missile system and S-400 missile system, which were some of the best in the world. I have a good expensive car in Russia, but I can't say that I was unhappy when I had a Lada. Not everyone wants to leave Russia to get 10 times more salary in Europe or the USA. I will not continue our interesting discussion about wheat, because I do not have time to check all the Russian and foreign articles. As I told you on the other topic, let's bump this one with the miracles of Russian technology: https://motor.ru/news/granta-2022-options-26-03-2022.htm Of course, Russia will replace US chips, of course, it will replace Eu technology, of course, it will replace everything as they are just so good at doing stuff. Meanwhile, in reality: Quote According to unofficial data, the sedan in the basic configuration will have even fewer options than the "Grants" of the 2011 model. Buyers will be deprived of the only airbag, the ERA-GLONASS unit, ABS and ESP systems, the engine will be adapted to the Euro-2 eco-standard, the exhaust system will do without oxygen sensors. Similarly Oh, and be proud of your foreign expensive car, I heard you can buy a house with one of those now unless you need spare parts, which costs about a house. A lot of people in Russia will be a quick and painful awakening. Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: DrBeer on March 30, 2022, 06:19:52 PM .... You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars. Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market. What you are describing is a "shuttle economy", when, almost in suitcases, through private individuals, they import something necessary. It already happened. The USSR ended its existence like that - I found these times and remember them very well. But you do not quite understand the essence of the sanctions, or rather 1 small phrase. It sounds like this - "a ban on the supply of DUAL-purpose solutions." And this means that OFFICIALLY and in sufficient quantities, to ensure on an industrial scale - there will be no deliveries. No satellite navigation systems, no chips, nothing that could potentially be used in the military industry. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 30, 2022, 08:12:26 PM You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars. Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market. So, we have gone from producing high-end chips on par with Intel or ARM, to producing cars without airbags, to importing them from China. This would be laughable if it wouldn't be really pathetic for a country that still claims and manages to fool some of its citizens into being a global superpower. India is making airbags compulsory for new cars (https://www.businesstoday.in/auto/story/dual-airbags-mandatory-for-new-cars-from-april-1-290042-2021-03-05), Russia thinks of building cars without, one more step great leap toward the flintstone mobile. Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist I don't think there is any drug on the dark market that can make you say something like this, whatever you're smoking Fentanyl is like Hubba Bubba compared to it. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: goldkingcoiner on March 30, 2022, 10:00:28 PM Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist I don't think there is any drug on the dark market that can make you say something like this, whatever you're smoking Fentanyl is like Hubba Bubba compared to it. Exactly what I wanted to say to him. That post of his was just plain dumb and completely devoid of a sense of reality. Putin was not and will never be a brilliant strategist. His oligarchs has been stealing military funds behind his back. Putin has no idea of what is happening in his own military. His generals are clueless and incompetent idiots who have made horrible as well as terrifyingly awful decisions. In the first wave, Putin (illegally) sent young conscripts to their deaths. They were not even done with their training. They were just there to soak up the first bullets. Which part of this screams brilliance or strategy? Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: so98nn on March 31, 2022, 05:08:25 AM This is actually gonna have completely different effect on the world if the war continues and things does not settle for the Oil/gas problems.
The projected changes I see: 1) Powerful countries will hunt down new ways of fuelling their day-to-day machines. 2) The world would move to more greener energy as compared to oil based 3) The Ores will be researched in another geo location. (Russia is not the only mega producer, australia is another live-stock!) 4) There will be whole new innovation in the semi-conductor industry. May be a different type of metal combo, even more efficient, more cheap. Let us not forget, bitcoin was one of such idea from one man's mind which shook the economical system. Governments went crazy after the assets prices and how traditional banking got beheaded in short span. So yup, this war will bring more to this world. In similar way first and second world war made humans to research nuclear weapons, bio weapons and what not when they had technological under-development. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Findingnemo on March 31, 2022, 07:12:11 AM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? Even in US they feel the effects already with the increase of gas prices which will cause every price to be increased but governments will not reverse the sanctions especially US but countries from EU are still buying oil from Russia and they will continue to do so the trade deals will affect everyone instead of the only one.They are purchasing because the price of oil from Russia is significantly lower than the price of oil purchased from other countries. Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist in his efforts to counter the economic sanctions that are having a negative impact on everyone, such as legalizing piracy in their country. I believe India was one of the countries that purchased oils for them at a low cost, and I believe that they will continue to do so because of the high price of gasoline currently in effect. We can only stop selling to them, but we cannot completely prevent them from doing so. Sanctions and war are making our lives worse all over the world right now. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Zilon on March 31, 2022, 10:21:21 AM Russians can sill develop strong economic immunity against this sanctions by forming a strong alliance with china. With the long standing relationship between the Chinese and Russian nations, Russians can access the international market through china and Mr Xi Jinping can be the escape root in the face of the heavy sanctions bypassing the wavy threat coming from the West
Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: TheNineClub on March 31, 2022, 11:17:30 AM For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect? The IT sector is much more of a broader concept than its hardware, but the hardware itself is much broader than just the IT sector if that makes sense. The semiconductor issue in general affects a whole array of sectors that are not primarily IT, so actually, the semiconductor shortage is much more of a problem because there is really no sector that doesn't use it (I am generalizing here, cal ti vast majority). I would say it's a big issue, that could impact not just technological growth but also day to day functioning of many aspects of our lives. It might not affect us in a big way, but it could add up. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: bakasabo on March 31, 2022, 11:30:29 AM Russians can sill develop strong economic immunity against this sanctions by forming a strong alliance with china. With the long standing relationship between the Chinese and Russian nations, Russians can access the international market through china and Mr Xi Jinping can be the escape root in the face of the heavy sanctions bypassing the wavy threat coming from the West They can, but it will take a lot of time to complete all negotiations and logistics issues. Everything is possible. They only need time. But you can rely on China always. The strong and weak point of Russian economy are their natural resources. Supply if huge, but you can rely on it forever. Imagine that you have infinite amount of money, but you dont produce anything. Everything you need is from abroad. You are very dependable from others, to do something by yourself. That is the big problem. Russian IT sector is one of the strongest, "one of best brains in the world". But the problem is, demand on it became low recently. And useless without foreign help and technology. When Russians runs out of spare money and number of unemployed increases, they will start to do work for a lower fee and salaries on IT engineering sectors will decrease, but all the hardware prices goes up. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Kakmakr on March 31, 2022, 11:50:21 AM Palladium are used in cell phones, hard drives, circuit board components and capacitors and Russia produce between 25-30% of global supply of Palladium. This has caused an increase of almost 80% in the price of Palladium this year and the price reached a all-time high.
Luckily ... the bulk of the world's palladium supply comes from South Africa and the U.S. and Canada, so this war will not cripple the supply of Palladium globally. ;) Silicon is one of the most abundant elements in the world and it is also a primary component in almost all electronic devices, so the main component is not a problem at all. ;D Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: Flexystar on March 31, 2022, 12:54:42 PM -snip- As I told you on the other topic, let's bump this one with the miracles of Russian technology: https://motor.ru/news/granta-2022-options-26-03-2022.htm Of course, Russia will replace US chips, of course, it will replace Eu technology, of course, it will replace everything as they are just so good at doing stuff. Meanwhile, in reality: Quote snip Oh, and be proud of your foreign expensive car, I heard you can buy a house with one of those now unless you need spare parts, which costs about a house. A lot of people in Russia will be a quick and painful awakening. Yes, western sanctions will actually cause a boomerang effect, considering that Russia is the largest supplier of raw materials for electronic equipment, especially chips. Chips are made of silicon, what you've read is about Xeon and neon but there is no crisis anywhere and it's not Russia but Ukraine who is making those. And good luck angering China with a low supply of chips that would cripple their manufacturing industry. I gotta say the discussion is somehow going towards one man's historical words, Quote "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones" -Albert Einstein I guess this should inspire everyone why this genius said it already. Kinda started to feel that he made all the calculations on back of his mind, went to the future, came back and said this. Lolz We are already talking about short supplies, increased demands, of things which are 99% part of our modern kingdom. If this war continues then it might be possibiity that Russian allies will have to join either Russia or West side of the world. If they dont, Im afraid Putin will just throw away few bombs on them too. So its bit complicated situation. IT is just one of the component from whole system. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: zasad@ on March 31, 2022, 02:03:10 PM You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars. Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market. So, we have gone from producing high-end chips on par with Intel or ARM, to producing cars without airbags, to importing them from China. This would be laughable if it wouldn't be really pathetic for a country that still claims and manages to fool some of its citizens into being a global superpower. India is making airbags compulsory for new cars (https://www.businesstoday.in/auto/story/dual-airbags-mandatory-for-new-cars-from-april-1-290042-2021-03-05), Russia thinks of building cars without, one more step great leap toward the flintstone mobile. Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: stompix on March 31, 2022, 08:29:02 PM Palladium are used in cell phones, hard drives, circuit board components and capacitors and Russia produce between 25-30% of global supply of Palladium. I keep thinking, If Russia produces 70% of that, 80% of that, 90% of that if Russia can trigger this and that, if everyone will be dead without Russia, why does that 140 million larger than anything on this planet country has a GDP the size of Italy? Must be a mystery. I will tell you a very very terrible secret about cars in Russia. A lot of used Russian cars and used foreign cars in Russia after a traffic accident do not have airbags. Airbags are not installed because they are very expensive. You can travel by taxi or rent a foreign car with the idea that airbags are installed, but your thoughts will not help you ;D So how does this prove your point about Russia manufacturing stuff on par with western technology? You're just admitting people there are too poor to have an airbag in their car. Quote "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones" -Albert Einstein I guess this should inspire everyone why this genius said it already. Kinda started to feel that he made all the calculations on back of his mind, went to the future, came back and said this. Lolz That is just stupid, it was a quote meant to show the importance of something not to actually predict the future. If a nuclear bomb wipes half of the earth tomorrow do you think people will somehow forget how to manufacture guns? We had cannons in the 13 century, how could be possible that we would regress beyond that in terms of technology? If you're going to survive a nuclear war are you going to quit eating cooked food and start eating it raw or something? Title: Re: Russia's effect on IT sector? Post by: zasad@ on April 01, 2022, 04:05:48 PM I will tell you a very very terrible secret about cars in Russia. A lot of used Russian cars and used foreign cars in Russia after a traffic accident do not have airbags. Airbags are not installed because they are very expensive. You can travel by taxi or rent a foreign car with the idea that airbags are installed, but your thoughts will not help you ;D So how does this prove your point about Russia manufacturing stuff on par with western technology? You're just admitting people there are too poor to have an airbag in their car. |
