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I live in Ukraine, fascist Russia has attacked my country, bombing cities and killing civilians.
I spoke out against it, they wrote deliberately false information that did not correspond to reality in my profile in the trust.
I am Ukrainian and against the war, we do not have fascists, the fascists - this is the  attacked us.
I offer an eternal ban to those moral freaks who wrote me a negative trust and continue to support the war and post deliberately false information on the forum.
This is information terrorism, terrorists must be stopped.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388395.0

The board of shame, these accounts support russia's war against Ukraine and disseminate deliberately false and untrue information, in every possible way support those scum who are for the war.
ser_trader Ban
Snork1979 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2118956 / Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults.
FS2018
Ddester / Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults.
Excimer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2627630 /Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults.
leonello https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1218011 /Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults.
be.open https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=986242 /Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults.
lin_lin
ivan1975 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=220998 /Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults.
Azrieli https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2357932 /Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults. Ban
Xommy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1216644 /Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults.
delfastTions https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234281 /A stupid fascist who supports the war and spreads a lot of flooding, clogs the forum with stupid messages.
Demid66
KingScorpio
Tash
butcher_spam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=995994 /Stupid scum, spreading fake, constant threats and insults.
mp3.Maniac https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1360880
senya-com
Veleor https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1177936 / A stupid fascist who supports the war and spreads a lot of flooding, clogs the forum with stupid messages.
Branko https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1039574
lovesmayfamilis
Hhampuz / Keeps in his campaign shitposters delfastTions, that support the war. A real fascist and balabol! Never trust this user!
viljy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=958449 /A stupid fascist who supports the war and spreads a lot of flooding, clogs the forum with stupid messages.
A-Bolt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=33631/ A stupid fascist who supports the war and spreads a lot of flooding, clogs the forum with stupid messages.
89tibkd / A stupid fascist .
nLockTime https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65795 /Stupid statements, support and approval of the war and the killing of civilians.
Numeral https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3468038 / Stupid statements, support and approval of the war and the killing of civilians.
BADecker https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149737 / Stupid bot, propaganda of fascism, denial of russia's war against Ukraine.
DaRude https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=89580 /Stupid statements, support and approval of the war and the killing of civilians.
tvbcof https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29708 / Stupid statements, support and approval of the war and the killing of civilians.
Kriptonik https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1143284 / A stupid fascist who supports the war and spreads a lot of flooding, clogs the forum with stupid messages.
VKcams.com https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3486515 / Stupid bot, propaganda of fascism, denial of russia's war against Ukraine.
~Unknown01 /doubtfully
~s0nix
~thandie
~Poly#Crypto
bomj https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1085174 / Stupid bot, propaganda of fascism, denial of russia's war against Ukraine.
CrGuerilla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=835895 / Stupid bot, propaganda of fascism, denial of russia's war against Ukraine.
nullius https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210  /Added at my own request. The person is mistaken and confused in terminology. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg60530156#msg60530156
Julien_Olynpic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1166480 /A headless creature distributing merit to worshipers of fascism and mass murder.
baeva https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3120651 /A headless creature distributing merit to worshipers of fascism and mass murder.
Sithara007 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=305398 / Another jerk who jerks off to russia and putin.
FutureBitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=592311 / Stupid troll with no opinion of his own.
Kobacheg  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2585013 /  Support for fascism, approval of the war and the killing of civilians.
FADESHADE https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=842567 / A fascist who approves of war and the killing of civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure.
awiator https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1356833 / Stupid bot, propaganda of fascism, denial of russia's war against Ukraine.
cabron https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=844178 / Stupid statements, support and approval of the war and the killing of civilians.
xandry https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=382413 / Support and approval of fascism, war, genocide of Ukrainians, selective moderation of posts, deletes pro-Ukrainian posts, leaves all pro-russian nonsense. Not worthy of being a moderator and a person, never trust this user!
Xal0lex https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1068464 / Support and approval of fascism, war, genocide of Ukrainians, selective moderation of posts, deletes pro-Ukrainian posts, leaves all pro-russian nonsense. Not worthy of being a moderator and a person, never trust this user!
andreyka10 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1105301 / Stupid bot, propaganda of fascism, denial of russia's war against Ukraine.
Shurik25 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1164162  / Stupid bot, propaganda of fascism, denial of russia's war against Ukraine.
Volax https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2824878 / Stupid bot, propaganda of fascism, denial of russia's war against Ukraine.

I don't understand the language of the feedback on your trust page but it seems both you and others are not using the trust system properly. Besides only recent trust rating I see on you is from a nonDT member. So there are nothing to be alarmed. But the feedback you sent to others (recent) do not seems appropriate use.

By the way, this seems a reputation thread not something to be in meta.

That's not how the forum works, and especially not how the trust system works. Members are not banned for feedbacks that is considered inappropriate, they just reduce their chances of getting on DT and their feedback doesn't count as much on the profile.

Your feedback is also not proper use, as written above and reduced your chances of getting into DT as well.

I personally cannot appraise this as I do not understand the language.

I don't think you'll get what you want. misuse of the trust system is not a bannable offense(at least as far as I know). supporting a war or posting false information regarding it is also not a bannable offense(again, at least as far as I know).

BitcoinGirl.Club is correct, this thread belongs to the reputation board

To all replies above of not understanding the language, google translate (https://translate.google.com/) is free you know.

For both parties who exchange negative ratings, seems you both misuse the purpose of the trust system, and I seconded the reply above, this seems not a bannable offense, unless admins change it's mind related to this and apply a new rule which I don't think they will do.

So far I haven't found any references I can read from the feedback or negative tag you received and the ones you sent to all those profiles. I'm not sure if all of you have used the trust system in the right way because you guys differ on something that's not in the rules. But you only have a workaround to ignore that user (~) if you really don't trust them and report their posts for review by moderators if you find them inappropriate. Some of them may be banned if there is a death threat or something physically threatening, but the moderators will deal with it on a case by case basis.

He has given feedback to a few of the accounts. I used google translation to understand them. This is not the right way to use a trust system as everyone has the right to their own opinions.  Also, on the other hand, I think no one should support the war and killing of innocents.
   

Google translation:

There are no doubt about it but just because someone has some different opinion, you can not just paint them in red in the forum. Think of in real life, would take any legal action or go to the police station because someone said something that you do not like? You would not. Besides in the case of Trust system, you are not practicing good use of the system if you leave a negative feedback without experiencing a bad trade with the guy and financially effected by the trade.

I was able to see the translations by the way.

I think this is a different situation. Some users of the forum do not just express their opinion, they broadcast propaganda stamps. This is not even their own position, this is what they repeat when they hear it on Russian television. It is unlikely that anyone will argue that it is engaged in a particular political interpretation. Moreover, in the situation of an already started war, such posts on the forum cease to be an innocent expression of opinion. They are becoming information weapons. A weapon that spreads fakes. YouTube, Tik Tok and many other companies left Russia for this reason. Why can't bitcointalk do the same?

You should be aware that Russia and Ukraine are still brothers, the Soviet Union that divided you both, you shouldn't be hostile to each other and attacking, let alone writing war words on your account profile, for the Ukrainian and Russian sides, it seems that the impression is not good seen by members from other countries.

I don't want to interfere with Russia and Ukraine, especially regarding accounts here, you should here have to get along with each other, don't blame each other, you have to show the world you don't want this war to happen, not the other way around.

You know, behind all this there are parties who clapping and laughing, remember that peace is beautiful, think sportively.

I don't understand one thing. This is a cryptocurrency forum. Why bring Ukrainian themes about the war here? If you don't like your opponents, just ignore them. The button is always available.
Another question is if you support your country, why don't you fight? Why are you inciting hatred where people do not participate in strife?
Everything should have its place. Those who need news about events in Ukraine today have a huge territory for this. Why bring the war here?

The OP also got the same suggestion from some users in the previous reply and he also seems to quite understand how this rule is enforced on the forum especially Ratimov has explained it well in the Russian version thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388395.msg59430347#msg59430347) The OP doesn't seem satisfied enough with the existing answers and created another thread in the meta to find out how the rules really are, but unfortunately the user he thinks should be banned doesn't seem to be breaking any forum rules even though the OP disagrees with him.

There is one good board for discussing more Rusia - Ukraina wars and political issues and that is the Politics & Society board. You can discuss more things there but anyone who disagrees with you shouldn't get a negative tag because that's not how trust systems work. Imo

Yeah, brothers. Like Cain and Abel, perhaps. When one kills the other out of envy.

Russia did not want Ukrainians to be independent people with sovereign territories long before the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union is only one stage in the destruction of Ukrainian identity, and the Russians not for the first time have tried to impose on us the idea that "we are one people."

You know, some things are impossible not to blame for and they can't be forgiven. For example, the death of a 1.5-year-old child who was shooted in Irpin' while his parents were trying to walk the false "green corridor" to leave the besieged city.

I think Ukrainians at the forum now think little about the impression seen by members from other countries. They are thinking about how to win the information war, which is being waged at bitcointals as well. Calls for peace without the full withdrawal of enemy troops from Ukraine do not lead to anything. The UN is doing the same. Did they help in any way? But now everyone knows that they are "concerned". The effectiveness just goes beyond scale.

I do not think anyone is laughing and clapping, not even Asia where most of the counties did not vote and stayed neutral. Did you see how the price of gas is raising? This will affect every corner of the world not just EU and West. Another 2008 is just at our door if I am not exaggerating it.

However, there was selfishness between the two leaders which led to war. I don't want to jump straight into politics where the information might not be relevant enough to the situation at hand, but the OP seems to be making a proposal to ban those who don't violate forum rules especially regarding free speech.

I agree that war must stop, everyone is against war in Europe, Asia, America and Africa. But when it comes to banning forum users, you really have to show proof that someone is guilty.

So when we find Putin has a bitcointalk account then we go and start leaving negative feedback to his profile and then ban him? Sounds like everyone is misunderstanding the trust system and misunderstanding the concept of bitcoin. Bitcoin does not understand Biden's language.

Sharing feedbacks for the discussions is not the appropriate use of trust system so anyone who did this may appear and let us know the actual reason but negative feedbacks maybe shared when someone is sharing false information so if you want to prove your statement then you can provide some proofs so they may review it because what media is showing maybe or may not be the ground reality.

But Ukraine president seems to realize that NATO is not going to help them so he already announced that he has no interest in joining the NATO, if he did this couple of weeks earlier the war may not be existed at all.

This forum gives its members freedoms that are impossible in other places. Unfortunately, that freedom (of speech) allows anyone to think whatever they want and express those feelings openly. I said 'unfortunately' because no one in their right mind should support the shelling of civilian infrastructure, hospitals, nuclear power plants, etc. Ignore those whose opinions and thoughts you don't want to read. That's the best you can do. They will certainly not be banned for supporting the occupation unless they break other forum rules in the process.   

The feedback system is not some way for users to fight themselves but to warn others to tred carefully or not with certain users based on observed traits of being a just or elusive persons. These one could observe from either doing doing business, contracts or even run a service for a user or from the sides one tends to follow or support on the forum.
It doesn't feel right to use it against those that picks a side that isn't appealing to you or your nation.

I am very much  against any form of violence or situations that could result in one's blood being spilled but again, people haven't sides doesn't make them completely wrong. Every story has got 2 sides to it and depending on where you choose to see it from, you would find it the more appealing, just or not.

The forum has been carefully crafted to suit any form of discussion one can think of and accommodate most situations that happens around us (forumwise and locality). We are a bitcoin community and at that level, there isn't any differentiations amongst us. Hence, let's try to support ourselves and act like one. Instigating hatred will only bring about some bias to our activities here.

I don't support this ongoing war with Russia and Ukraine just like I don't endorse any form of bloodshed too. However, tagging anyone for being either in support of the war or against it is going overboard and unnecessary in my opinion. OP, you and your "co-taggers" need to revisit what the trust system is meant for so you can apply such rule appropriately. You guys are abusing it by your actions.

That's what happen when you have a comedian president. It's true that there are no lack of patriotism from him, he did not run away, he was outspoken, willing to give his life for the country but sometimes you need to be tactical instead of go and face a bullet in the chest. Being tactical does not make you coward. Ukraine president still need to learn GEO politics, maybe he is learning now but it already cost him so many lives. There are no doubt Putin is killing these people in the Ukraine, he is a vampire but Ukraine president could prevent it if he would realize the consequence of his action before.

Some people are saying Zelenskyy a hero. But I do not think after end of this war when Ukraine will have nothing left then what will the same people call him.

I don't think anyone is hearing us 😉

Zelensky is on the ground and main stream media is showing that he is fighting with their soldiers against Russian army but there are lot of fake images also spread even by the media now they confirmed that many of them were fake and those pictures were  many years old and taken for photoshoot like concept. :)

Politics is getting more dirty because these politicians can do anything what they want to manipulate people's emotions.

What would you've suggested he did? Gave up his constitutional right to defend the sovereignty of his country without a fight? I don't think he did any wrong by putting up a fight and staring Putin in the face. If anything, his action shows bravery.

I will still see him as a hero despite the outcome of the war now despite the fact that NATO chickened out on him after seemingly showing support before the war. Now, all member nations of NATO are scared of Russia. NATO is the real coward here.

It's about time DT members intensified efforts in tagging those abusing the trust system then.

His geopolitics in recent times has been mainly to convey to Western countries that Russia is not just our problem. Zelenskyi called for sanctions before the war. Europe has decided to wait until the tanks approach Kyiv. He called for disabling Russia's swift payments. Europe has once again decided to wait until a bunch of Russian oligarchs have time to withdraw money and take them and themselves securily abroad. Now he calls for closing the sky over Ukraine. The West is waiting again, probably when all the cities in Ukraine will be almost destroyed.

He does all this in advance. And all his fears are confirmed. There was already enough evidence that Russia was not going to stop. But geopolitics needs very long discussions with the result of nothing (like their vague decision about our application for an accelerated consideration of Ukraine as a candidate for EU membership) and bureaucratic procedures, for the duration of which our people pay with their lives. Maybe it's worth reconsidering the world's rules of geopolitics? Because so far he is the only one who really deals with solving problems, and does not express "concern".

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aWg4bWK_460s.jpg

Why would West actually need Ukraine other than to use them to monitor Russia from close position? West do not want to involve in direct conflict with Russia. They do not care about Ukraine. They care about their interest. Once they will see it's not working then they will abandoned Ukraine, in fact this is what they are doing. Without the oil and gas from Russia EU, West will be in recession. Ukraine president never looked at the history or Afghanistan and others who once were supplied weapon by the West made them what they once were and then once West found out they could not get what they want they just abandoned them.

You could have big balls but like I said if you are not tactical then balls do not help you. History will use Ukraine when they will talk about balls and how to handle your opponent even if you have big balls 😉

Whatever happened to Evelyn Beatrice Hall / Voltaire's "Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu'au bout pour que vous puissiez le dire"?

The fact that you defend someone's freedom of opinion does not mean that you share the content of his opinion.

The fact that you defend the freedom of speech of war supporters does not mean that you support the war.

I don't really understand why it is necessary to open a thread about this subject. Afaik, this has been the policy of this forum long before the first day I came to visit and it has been so ever since.

@op, like a few others have said, from my own personal observations, no one have committed any crime that's ban worthy here on the forum, you and your opponents or should I say opposition were clearly abusing the trust system, in as much as I personally am not in support of the ongoing war between Russia and  Ukraine, I still believe or think everyone is free to support which ever side they choose to support, in as much as everything in the world isn't free, it's still a free world, so it's absolutely inappropriate to try to impose your belief on another person or force them to support what you support.
You guys should educate yourselves on what the trust system is meant for and how to use it and stop using it for your own selfish reasons or interests.

You didn't understand anything, it's not about freedom of speech.
I am a Ukrainian and I live in Ukraine, aggression has been committed against my country, a full-fledged war is going on, houses are being destroyed, civilians are dying.
But a bunch of quilted jackets from the Russian locale claim that there is none of this, they wrote to my trust that I am a fascist.
They are misleading people by spreading lies, what more proof do you need?
Who can I fix the trust, the lies written there by these scumbags and moral freaks?

Today in the Russian section there are really unpleasant swearing between Ukrainians and Russians. But why should a Bitcoin forum discuss politics in every section?
OP, you are Ukrainian, why don't you write in the Ukrainian local section? That way you wouldn't get into arguments with the bad guys, you call them.
It is very sad that yesterday's users, who communicated normally before, today have turned into barking dogs that hate each other.
“Someday you will wake up and realize that you are participating in a terrible performance, the purpose of which was to test your humanity”

Trust system is not designed to deal with someone's political views. It's purely for trading reputation and it's mostly forum related. For me in the OP situation, it is unappropriated to use negative feedback for what people believe in or not. There's always two sides of the medal and there will always be two sides.

And here comes the rule no. 8 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0). This is the only rule you can use if there's any personal conflict on that high level.

First of all, Bitcoin forum should discuss politics because these are the questions that concern everyone in one way or another. We can already see how Russia's war against Ukraine is affecting world markets. Fuel prices are rising, higher energy prices will affect inflation and the purchasing power of people in the West. The crypto market is also not left out. Uncertainty, which investors fear most, is already affecting asset prices. Many investors from Ukraine and russia do not have access to their assets and cease to be active market participants.

The shaky situation is increasingly undermined by fake news and provocative calls. The forum is attended by pro-Putin members who which are involved into the information war. Bitcointalk is a great platform for disseminating and discussing information. And now information about the war directly affects trading and crypto investment. Investors need to consider fundamentals and analyze global trends for successful deals. If this fundamental analysis is based on fake news, it is obvious that it will also affect trading. That is why Ukrainians at the forum, OP and I among them, are trying to resist the spread of false, criminal information at the forum, and to share the truth about the terrorist acts that the Russians staged in our country. It is not so much a struggle against pro-Putin agents as a struggle for foreign opinion and minds, which is not directly involved in the war and which knows less factors for forming one's own position in this war. And you will have to choose the side, this is not the time to remain neutral, because neutrality is the tacit support of criminals who kill civilians and level our cities to the ground.

Of course, politics is a topic of discussion in this forum, but there is a dedicated section to discuss such and that is the politics and society board, then if you also want to discuss about the war in relation to how it affects the global and national economics, then there is also a board dedicated for such (economic) discussions, and that is the economics board.
I can understand the situation, and to be honest i was pretty sure it was going to get emotional and users would struggle to keep their emotions in check, it is indeed difficult times for Ukrainians and i would not blame them if they use every avenue to voice out their anger at this unnecesary war, i am pretty sure there are quite a lot of them here that are getting a first hand view of the war/bombardment, if i were such people, i honestly do not think i would as well be able to control my emotions. But in the end i really just hope for peace, cause taking sides would do nothing to help the situation, the sooner all of this ends, the better for us all as a community really.

It should be noted that only 67.5% of Ukraine's population speaks Ukrainian as a native language. The remainder mostly speaks Russian (although that doesn't mean they are Russophiles).


Sadly, that's the price of war. Unfortunately, these wounds won't heal so quickly.

Accounts that support Russia's war against Ukraine, the atrocities of Russian soldiers, the killing of civilians, Interpol will be interested in you, you are accomplices of terrorists.
This means you are responsible for the murders, you will be deanonymized, found and brought to trial.
And you will not be able to get out, the punishment will be.
Here is the list of shame, scum supporting the war:
ser_trader
Snork1979
FS2018
Ddester
Excimer
leonello
be.open
lin_lin
ivan1975
Azrieli
Xommy
delfastTions
Demid66
KingScorpio
Tash
butcher_spam
mp3.Maniac
senya-com
Veleor
Branko
lovesmayfamilis
Best_Change
Hhampuz

The list will be supplemented, the forum should know the scoundrels.

Here Tash and KingScorpio can be added. They are not so passionate as be.open is, but they incessantly and thoughtlessly broadcast the messages of the russian zombie TV box. And also often just throw some links to fake resources and news, even without any comments. Looks like spam, but the dangerous kind.

i know what you @op is feeling and struggling with but it looks like this is a META thread ^{(which deals with future BTT forums)}, better move this topic to thread reputation imo.  To be honest, i believe that both sides are fighting for or defending their respective countries, so there is no right or wrong. ^{(In your this topic i am neutral )}

+1
KingScorpio is known in the German section for his zero-value Troll-Spam and Shitposts, his hate against Bitcoin and Bitcointalk in general, that people have asked him, why he's still here if he doesn't like Bitcoin and Bitcointalk.  :D
Maybe he's just here to use Bitcointalk for free to load off his crap posts and to advertise his failed shittoken project (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3073043.0). His shittoken is as useless as his defamation shitposts.  ::)
Unfortunately, the previous website of his shittoken is down because I can remember he had a selfie there and he totally looks like the content of his retarded maniac comments.  :D :D

Regiment of fascists arrived.

As experience shows, the forum is more pro-Russian, Russian aggression against Ukraine is encouraged in every possible way, violence and killings of civilians are justified.
This is called all sorts of words that have nothing to do with what is happening in Ukraine.
What kind of liberality or freedom of speech can there be when they find the most ridiculous excuses for war?
War has no justification, war is always terrible.

ser_trader
Snork1979
FS2018
Ddester
Excimer
leonello
be.open
lin_lin
ivan1975
Azrieli
Xommy
delfastTions
Demid66
KingScorpio
Tash
butcher_spam
mp3.Maniac
senya-com
Veleor
Branko
lovesmayfamilis
Best_Change
Hhampuz
viljy
A-Bolt
89tibkd

First you say that forum is more pro-Russian and then you go on to provide ~20 names that are according to you fascists and support the war. Wouldn't that number be much bigger if forum members are mainly pro-Russian, as you claim?

Fuck you, you virtue-signaling piece of shit.

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You do not know what I think or what I do because of the situation in Ukraine, and do you know why you don't know? Because I do not share it here on bitcointalk.

You sent me a message demanding that I remove delfastTions from my campaigns because he is a fascist and a supporter or murder, what did I reply to you? All I asked was that you got others speaking russian or ukrainian to back up what you were saying and I'd take action. Did you do that? No, did anyone else reach out to me? No.

So fuck you, and congratulations on being put on ignore.

Despite what you claim, I do not agree with your assessment that the forum was pro-Russian. In fact, it is my belief that most forum members are against the Putin's policies, particularly in Ukraine, as the war they are engaging in is causing immense suffering and death.
It is probably best to ignore a few vocal members of your so-called regiment of fascists if you disagree with their political views. I do not like some of them either, but I feel that you can't justify verbally attacking people just because of their political views. You must have an appreciation for democracy and tolerance, otherwise you are no better than the lunatic nutters that go around shouting Kremlin's pro-war propaganda.

You cannot decide what people can and cannot say. You cannot use your personal judgement to decide what is true and what is false. You have no right to control what people think. If you cannot tolerate the ideas of people who are opposed to your views, then you should mind your own business and refrain from trying to convince the rest of the world to your way of thinking.

add my name (89tibkd) to your list boss, because i am very pro with russia, i admire the figure of president putin, i think ukraine/your country doesn't need a president of a comedian, a president who has too much drama, a spoiled ,only depends on allies when the war, your president is very funny and good at acting. You know, that I can judge your president to be very cowardly. BY GOD I strongly support the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Hhampuz you are a real condom and a fascist!
You were given evidence, you deleted them, you are a disgrace to the entire forum and the campaigns that you conduct and advertise.
You are a cancer on the body of the forum, I would not be surprised if you are also a scammer, then a complete idiot will order campaigns from you.


you, because of your stupidity, do not know what war is.
and that's why you're trying to justify it.
you, too, will turn out to be a fascist, either way, or just a stupid moron.


ok, suck on Putin's dick, stupid creature with no name.

There was no reason for that. Take a moment to read my message again when you are feeling clear-headed.

It was neither an insult to you nor an endorsement of the Russian aggression against Ukraine. If you had taken the time to look at my post history, you would have known that. Instead, you resort to personal attacks and unprovoked insults. It is ironic that someone who claims to have been an opponent of fascism and aggression chooses to attack someone who is expressing a sentiment that he claims to share. Honestly, I'm very disappointed with your outburst. I suspect you are the kind of person who simply needs a target to unload your anger.

As for my personal experience of war, you don't know me. You don't know where I've been and what I have seen. You don't know if I have ever personally suffered physical or emotional damage as a consequence of war. You don't know if I have ever lost friends or relatives in combat. You don't know if I have ever watched children die. You don't know how hard it was for me to leave a war-torn country at the age of 7 in the midst of an insurgency. You don't know if I've ever been on the receiving end of tyranny or violent suppression. You don't know if I have ever experienced the horrors of an occupation. You don't know anything abut me or the struggles I've faced or the life I've lived.

Instead, you chose to attempt to disparage me through personal attacks, personal insults and discredit someone who was simply expressing a perspective you happen to disagree with. Your attempt to bully me into silence reveals your true character, my friend.

I apologize.
But understand me, I live in Ukraine and I see what is happening here, most people are far from Ukraine and for them this is something abstract.
I am categorically against the war, I do not completely understand the people who support it.
Excuse me again.

i think everyone doesn't want war including Russians, they are not part of it but Putin decides to do it. he also has a reason for doing it as much as Ukraine has reason to be aggressive with Russia. each leader of a country decides to be an enemy. Both have reasons and motives but the fact that NATO is behind Ukraine already looks shady. anyway, they are already in a war, let's not restage that war in the forum.

Keep in mind that some of the members on this forum are there solely for trolling purposes. Not everyone on this forum will be out to offer you objective, honest insight and will instead just try to get a reaction out of you. Be prepared to weed through some of the comments and the quality of the discussion. You might be in for some nasty drama if you keep up this high-volume and angry-sounding discussion as you probably do not wish to engage in a war of words against random people who have nothing else better to do than to attack your knowledge, opinions and character on this forum. Keep that in mind.

Yes, I agree with you.

The forum does not police people based on their views/opinions. If you disagree with someone's opinions, I would encourage you to engage in spirated debate with them in an attempt to change their opinion.

I don't think your list is even accurate. I follow some of the people's posts that you cited as being "pro war", and some of them have never commented on the Russian invasion. I don't think refraining from commenting is the same as "supporting".

Support by merites or in any other way is also support.

Do you really agree that all Russians should be laid off there jobs because they own a red passport that pronounces them as Russians? Or a nursing Russian mother not to be allowed to breast feed the child because they are Russians?
Such is the justice we indirectly seek for Russians this day when we continue in attitudes that doesn't help to resolve this conflict. I have watched games were Russians made the competition a lot more of an intense and anticipated watch and now, the teams just get disqualified because they are Russian based. Not playing under a country flag should be enough and somehow, we've brought that to the forum.

I hate the sight of blood, I hate to hear of any genocide being done to a people. That's why I condem the war that is going on between both nations. For these I'll also like to say this, what makes war a war is when both parties seems to attack themselves using what ever way that is disposed to them. In this, there is a grievance, a curse for it and a reason to be equal or even be top of the other party.

I have got people in both nations and as such, I feel the pain of both sides and I fear for the life's of my people on both sides. Same way, I feel for the citizens and foreign nationals whose life are being lost and whose means to a stable lifestyle would be offset as a result of this conflict situation.
Yes, your a nation at war @Ukraine and Russia but, it shouldn't be displayed everywhere. I get the fact that at times, conflicts are the means to some lasting peace but I can tell you, even before that peace comes, there is always a room for dialogue. One that is done with no weapons but speeches both oral and written. I see a Samurai sword displayed on your avatar and I wonder if that is what what promote the peace we so seek! We don't need more weapons around us, just kind words that comforts the order.

Ukrainians and Russians, you've got some uniting qualities to look towards for unification. At least in some places and even observed on the forum, you do speak a common tongue. That is a base for conflict resolution. Resolves between yourselves with the common things you share and migrate to bigger differences. Unify yourselves on the forum and then you set it out to your local communities.

Say 'No to War' and 'Yes to Peace'.

The problem is that the Russians consider the aggression against Ukraine justified, they support the war. The Russians came to us with weapons to kill us Ukrainians.
In the Russian locale, Russians mock Ukrainians, it is useless to have a dialogue with them. This is a stupid horde of terrorists, they only understand the language of force.
We Ukrainians have no choice but to wage a defensive struggle against the Russians on all fronts.

Well, i think no one like the war but since now there is a war, the russians accounts will surely support the war as its the russians who initiated the war (again they have a reason for the war).
By the way, since this is an open forum where everyone is free to show his/her opinion, i don't think there needs to be a separate treatment for the accounts that support the war.

And may I ask what the reason is? In your opinion.

OP, I understand your position, but it's difficult to expect people will get banned on Bitcointalk because they support war. Freedom of speech is big thing here, even if this speech is lies, nonsense or support of war. I went through Bitcointalk rules and closest thing related to support of war is this:
If you have proofs about people breaking this rule, you should report them.
I take a look on your list and I see that you included some well known Bitcointalk trolls. They always go against system and I don't think it's worth to pay much attention to them, Some of others is Russians - well, it's difficult to expect something different than support of war from most of them.
But few people on your list, I'm not really sure how they support war.

Yeah, I also would like to hear reasons which would justify this war. Because in more than 2 months of war I still can't find arguments which would justify it.

Not a single person from this list has asked me to remove him from this list.
Nobody applied!
Everyone knows that they got on the list rightly.
People from the list can be conditionally divided into 2 categories: active, who write a lot and support the war, and semi-active, who either send merits to active people for the war or wrote a couple of messages related to one way or another to support the war.
Yes, I already understood that no one will ban, it’s strange if a person on this forum turns out to be a fraudster, he will be banned, but if he supports the war, spreads false information, then nothing will happen to him.
Fraud is considered a greater sin than murder.
Why such double standards?

Not really. No one gets banned on Bitcointalk for being a fraudster or scammer. You can literally scam anyone you want and unless you don't break any of the forum rules while doing it, you will remain on the forum. That's why we have the trust system and you can see people with dozes on negative feedback for scamming activities, but they are still active on Bitcointalk. You can't spam, plagiarize, and spread malware, but you are free to scam.

Just as @Pmalek has explained above, it is not double standard in any way, there are only very few things a user would do on the forum that would get them banned, the most popular being plagiarism, but scams are not moderated by the forum. You do business with others here at your own risk, and all that can be done if someone has sufficient proof of being scammed by another user is to bring the trust system into effect (by giving out negative feedbacks).
Do users even get banned for spamming, i think you'd have to spam for a pretty long time, write utter rubbish (in the wrong sections), till it becomes extremely annoying before you get into some trouble (maybe even a temporary ban at first).

Nobody didn't asked to remove them because probably they don't care about it.
As you already said, nobody aren't going to ban them. Probably use of trust system is more apropriate here. I see that you sent negative trust ratings to some people, but I suggest you to add refernce links to it with proofs that your feedback would look more seriously.
About last part of your post, @Pmalek already explained it.

I am not sure what you mean by "merites". It appears that word may be French, and the translation into English does not make sense in the context of what I wrote.

Merit - in the upper right corner above the message.
People give merit to the one who wrote the message and they want to support and approve what is written.

Ah, okay. I understand what you were saying now.

When I give someone merit, I am not necessarily agreeing with the post. I am saying that it may be beneficial for others to read the post. Often times the two go hand in hand, but this is not always the case. Although there are few regulations as to the merit system, I understand the above is the intended use for merits.

This means if I were to merit a "pro-Russia" post, I am saying that others should read the post. This could mean that the post says something important about the author, it could mean that the author put a lot of effort into the post, it could mean the post is insightful, or it could mean that for some other reason, I believe that others should read the post.

Your point of view is also valid.
But in this case, people write lies, a stream of nonsense, propaganda, and they are given merit for this.

The forum and its administration are very pro-russian.
There is information that teimos is a big fan of putin and soon wants to introduce an authorization system on the forum, for this you will need to siegheill in front of the webcam and shout out loud three times - glory to the putler!
But Interpol will get to this infernal office, everyone will be punished for terrorism!
Update of the first post, the fascist regiment has arrived.

This information is very scary because I want to be in a democratic forum that is guided by democratic principles where I would not be forced to behave contrary to my conscience and ideology. Authoritarianism would kill the forum because it would not give members the avenue to contribute positively to the forum. I assume you are referring to Theymos the Chief Administartor as a diehard supporter of Putin. But I am committed to remain in this forum because you have not provided any proof to authenticate you allegations. I am sure this forum has experienced and intelligent administrators that understands that political neutrality is foundational to effectively and efficiently organize and control an international organization like this forum.      

I'm not sure what you two are being resentful at but moderators and admins do not censor Ukraine War posts or users.

What the hell are you talking about? What the hell information do you have? Provide proof. I fully support Ukraine, but the kind of bullshit you're talking about I don't intend to support. Don't go overboard. Don't spread bullshit, don't be like the rashists.

P.S. I know for a fact that theymos is against the war and against putler.

In the beginning, there were several war-supporting accounts that spread deliberately false information, all this Kremlin dirt and narratives about fascism in Ukraine.
I sent complaints about such messages, the messages were not deleted, after almost 4 months there are already about 20 accounts spreading such information. And they have nothing for it.
And more than that, these accounts are useless, except for lies, they do not write about anything.
But some call it democracy
But this is not democracy at all, it is fascism in its purest form.
And it turns out I'm a fascist that I demand to ban such accounts?

Did I say you were a fascist? I'm just saying don't accuse a person without grounds. I meant don't spread fakes and thus become like the ruᛋᛋian propagandists who post fakes and spread brazen lies about Ukraine on the forum. I completely agree with you that ruᛋᛋian propaganda is taking over the forum. But spreading fakes about theymos is not going to get you anywhere. You can only make it worse, because you will turn against yourself (and others like you) all the sensible members of the forum community who more or less support Ukraine.

LOL, Buddy!, i cant believe am asking this but just to be sure, Are you being serious right now?.
I know that every user on this forum is as free as a bird to say all sort of shit but i believe that does not include accusing a reputable leader of this honorable forum wrongly, even without a source or reference, how did you know that the forum administrators are pro-Russian? where did you find the information that theymos is a big fan of putin?

Incase this your accusation against the forum administrators and theymos are a joke, i must let you know that in as much as the forum allows freedom of speech 100%, there are things one shouldn't joke with, i know you cant be harmed but your account can be greatly harmed if you go about accusing the forum administrators without evidence or prove.

I find it ironic that when it comes to freedom of speech you are very much alike the person you hate the most (I guess), as both you and Putin don't like freedom of speech and simply can't handle it. And if you don't like it here, there are plenty of other platforms where only one narrative is allowed. Freedom simply ain't for everyone.

It is sad that many people in this forum, and throughout the world, have lost the ability to think, to think logically.
It was sarcasm about Teimos, but no one understood this, you can complain to him, let him ban me, I don’t give a fuck!
The number of pro-Russian users is growing like a snowball.
Imagine the situation if you can - your house was robbed and you were attacked and maimed, you filed a complaint with the police, but the police, instead of punishing those responsible for the attack, punish you, because you demand punishment for the guilty attacker.
Funny dialectic, isn't it?
Crime without punishment breeds more crime.
It is a fact.

because you didn't properly deliver it. also, why it is so important for you that the forum take a side in this war? why can't it just be a neutral forum where all people from both sides can express their support from both sides or their disdain from both sides? if there is misinformation being spread around in the forum, then counter it with facts.

How old are you, my friends? What countries do you live in? Are you so illiterate that you do not understand the difference between freedom of speech and propaganda? In that case, before you talk about freedom of speech, first learn to define the difference between "freedom of speech" and "propaganda.

What if I told you that the people of your countries are not human and they can and should be exterminated? What if I told you that your countries are havens of fascism and should be wiped off the face of the earth? And I will spread all of these sayings around the world, including on this forum, supporting my words with lies, fakes, etc. How's that for "freedom of speech"?

No, my friends, this is not freedom of speech. It is the real propaganda, which is spread on our forum in the person of some users (especially in the Russian-speaking part of the forum). The whole civilized world fights against propaganda and Russian propaganda including. So why shouldn't our forum, which is under the jurisdiction of a country that is actively engaged in this fight, join its country and the whole world to help fight popaganda?

P.S. Here is a link to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/international-covenant-civil-and-political-rights) for you to study (read carefully articles 19 and 20 of PART III).

I also recommend reading the articles on the official U.S. government website

GEC Special Report: Russia’s Pillars of Disinformation and Propaganda (https://www.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-propaganda-report/)
Disarming Disinformation: Our Shared Responsibility (https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/)

I just noticed this thread for some reason, though it's a couple months old.  I took a look at OP's feedback, and I have to say I agree with you there.  Negative/positive trust shouldn't be used for disagreements about politics, and I'd say not even a neutral is appropriate.  Hhampuz left a neg for OP, and I find that disheartening as I have a lot of respect for him.  Still do, but I would have thought he would have known better than to give OP a neg because of politics.

All of those things would be the consequence of free speech, whether you agree with them or not.  Free speech (in the purist sense of the term) means the freedom to tell lies.  It doesn't guarantee those lies will be free from consequences, because the propaganda you mentioned would--and should--be met with opposition, which also depends on a lack of censorship.

I know this is a sensitive topic in the context of the Russia/Ukraine situation, but remember that it's the speech you don't like or want to hear that needs to be protected.  If that wasn't the case, who would be the gatekeeper of "truth" and would you trust that person or entity?

My brother, The Pharmacist. I don't know if you just hang around on bitcointalk these days for the paycheck but I remember a time where I enjoyed reading your posts and what you had to say but these days.. I don't know what's up.

This user messaged me and DEMANDED that I removed members from my campaign because they were "nazi sympathizers" "Putin puppets" and "war apologists/genocide apologists". As I invested myself quite heavily in the Ukrainian situation, not the least by having plenty members in my campaigns who are in/from Ukraine it hit closer to home than other, more foreign, tragedies so obviously I took this seriously and I asked him if he could show me some proof about this and if he could get any other members to corroborate his story about this user as I'd gladly remove anyone from my campaign if they were to engage in such activities.

This user refused to do either and went on to follow me around the forum now calling me a putin puppet, war supporter, nazi sympathizer etc.  He refused to be helpful and did not seem to care particularly much about the entire situation other than trying to cause issues here on bitcointalk. If anything I would have imagined that he was actually on the side he so thoroughly tried to defame.

I gave this user an appropriate tag of being a troll that I would not trust, which I'll gladly stand by, and then I put him on ignore. Have you even read this thread, the demands this user has been making, the posts he's been making?

Speaking of thinking someone would have known better.. I remember when you knew better and actually looked into the context of situations before passing judgement but like I said before, I don't know what's up with you these days. That's all, feel free to counter the neg - it is a democratic system!

And just a sidenote, I even got a message from the campaign in particular where the member he demans I remove message me, saying that they had someone send multiple emails to them saying that I, their campaign manager, is a fascist and putin supporter who should not be running their campaign here on bitcointalk if they want to have a fair reputation. My negative trust is more than justified.

I'm here for the same reason I've always been, and I'm sorry you felt that offended by my post to say that.  That actually hurts coming from you.

All of that is understood, and I am still saying that tagging someone because of something they said, whether they're trolling you to death or have different political opinions, isn't using the trust system correctly.  I'm not going to counter anything, and I meant no insult or disrespect to you--I would have said the same thing to any other member, and I'm not even making a big thing out of this, just stating my opinion.

Somehow I knew I probably should have just kept silent in a thread like this, where emotions are running high.  Peace, Hhampuz.  I'm bowing out of this one as gracefully as I can.

The Pharmacist, I just don't think it's fair to boil this down to a disagreement/free speech/politics issue when OP;

1) Demands I remove users from my campaigns
2) Calls me a fascist, genocide supporter and other disgusting things
3) Tries to get me fired from running a campaign

I feel it is disingenuous to characterize it as something like that. But ofcourse, you are entitled to your opinion and interpretations.

Long story short, I tried to listen to OP's case and asked him for any proof and any corroboration but he just resorted to insults and disgusting accusations.

My country (Croatia) went something similar to what Ukraine is going through 30 years ago, with my hometown being completely destroyed (might wanna check "battle of Vukovar", its our version of Mariupol) so don't you think that I am not sorry or that I don't understand what Ukraine is going through. And yeah, I was old enough to experience all that, firsthand.


What you obviously don't understand is that freedom of speech is also freedom to tell lies and bullshits.


Because its a slippery slope. I like the forum just the way it as and if you don't like it, I am sure that you will find plenty of other forums where you will feel safe and protected.

You are sick people obsessed with the misconception of "freedom of speech". Well, God be with you. What can we talk to you about if you don't understand elementary things?


That's what russian propagandists say in the Russian section. If they don't like something, they immediately dismiss those who expose their lies: "Get out of "our" section, you don't belong here", etc. I tell them that the Russian section is for all Russian-speaking people, not just for muscovites, but they don't give a shit. Are you a russian propagandist too?

And in general, who are you to kick me out of the forum? Who gave you such a right?

I already wrote above, but I repeat - Hhampuz is lying as always. In addition to me, another user provided evidence, the Hhampuz ignored them and the corresponding messages were deleted.
In addition, this user delfastTions https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234281 writes very low-quality posts with political overtones.
But the Hhampuz sympathizes with such and keeps every rabble, and continues to blatantly lie.
UP. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg59950069#msg59950069
Here is another user's post. But the Hhampuz ignored everything, he is pissed off, he is not responsible for his words.

Who is kicking you out, what are you talking about? You obviously have reading comprehension issues and I ain't interested in pigeon chess. Kthxbye.

The fact that you can post such nonsense is proof how free this forum is and how many rights you have. Try calling the admins of some other forums fascists and Nazis and you will be banned 9/10 times. This forum doesn't censor user opinions no matter what they are. What will it take for you to understand that? You can be pro-Russian, or anti/Russian and still your posts won't be deleted. You can write love letters to theymos or call him the next Hitler and you won't be censored for your opinions.

According to your point of view, freedom of speech is you deciding what can be said and what can't. Btw, Bitcointalk doesn't have any rules against propaganda either, and there is no fact-checking here.

I would consider you to be a moron and not someone worth talking to. The same way I would consider anyone else writing such posts about any other people, religion, race, whatever.

Who believes that crap they are posting anyways? Can you show me posts of people outside of the Russian local who talk like that about Ukrainians? Can you show us posts from the global sections by non-Russians where the topic of discussion is against Ukraine? Where are those Russian propaganda supporters that are spreading because I don't come across them in the places where I am active? Stop reading the nonsense that bothers you. That's why the ignore button is there. 

That wasn't meant for you. It's meant for the users who told him to leave the Russian section because he doesn't belong there according to them. 

Here's a fresh batch of nonsense offhand.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60424828#msg60424828
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60401638#msg60401638
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60418072#msg60418072

And  nonsense, but from this user there is nothing but nonsense.
This is offhand, in fact there are many such users and messages.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60239938#msg60239938

How I understand from the trust system explanation is if you were financially damaged by an x user then you go and leave him a negative feedback. If you are happy with the trade you had then leave him a positive feedback. It was not like this before though but the revised version is exactly what I said just now. However, I see people are still using the old concept and sharing their asses when someone is telling something that they did not like or they have some personal problem to each others then they find a way to tag others. Sometimes even they use it to silent the opponent.

Full disclaimer when someone is coming to spread hate towards the peace we have here I do not mind to tag them. This newbie account with few posts actually a garbage and not worth to exists at all.

That caused you financial damage.

That's the same person in all 3 links. The majority of their posts is in Politics & Society, so it doesn't surprise me that I haven't come across this user's views in the normal (Bitcoin and crypto parts) of the forum. I care about the Politics & Society board as I care about the types of stones you can find on the Himalayas. Meaning, I couldn't care less. My advice: discuss Bitcoin on a Bitcoin forum and Himalayan stones somewhere else. 
 
Same like in the previous example, except that this dude spends even more time in Politics & Society. 74% of his posts are in that sub.

Why do you even go there? I can see you only made 23 posts in that sub, which is less than 1% of your total activity. You obviously don't participate in the discussions there to an extent that sub would be important to you. 

You can add these ones to your list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg60450797#msg60450797

~Unknown01
~MinoRaiola
~s0nix
~thandie
~Poly#Crypto

MinoRaiola For what? It is possible hardly more in detail?

1miau is having a hard day today, he probably needs help. From my side, I can only add this. And I think that was a good sign on my part. Many users find it good, i also help icopress and offered a house, food and German lessons for people he knows. So I did not support the war.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387345.msg59451200#msg59451200

I have listed MinoRaiola here because of his recent support of Poly#Crypto, a BADecker / be.open level troll:


In the linked topic, MinoRaiola has defended known Kremlin Trolls from the German section like s0nix, thandie, Unknown01 and Poly#Crypto.

Would be interesting to know what MinoRaiola thinks about the bullshit Kremlin Propaganda posted by Poly#Crypto...

I'm sorry but you're being used here by 1miau for his purposes. I am absolutely not in favor of the war, I have mentioned this several times. I live in Austria and I have already mentioned that I support the refugees both privately and professionally during my work. Just to give an example: I made sure that Ukrainian refugees with experience are included in our football team. But I won't go into detail about that because I value my privacy.

I already said at the beginning of the war that I would be in favor of Russia vs USA personally carrying out their conflict far away from any population that does not want anything to do with wars. Personally, I would be in favor of disarming the world, but yes..



edit: I would also like to give you an example from March 23rd, my post where I briefly comment the war at the end of the text, now I quote myself and translate it using google translate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.msg59621680#msg59621680 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.msg59621680#msg59621680)

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Your lies are getting ridiculous, Unknown01!
You threathened a Newbie who called out your disgusting whataboutism, when you justified Putin's war:


Here's what you wrote, Nestade and Kamix criticized your russian aggression apologia: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386945.msg60448460#msg60448460
And Unknown01 supports Poly#Crypto, a BADecker Level troll.  ::)

How good it is that in the world information is not terrorism, as in Ukraine.
Honey, the information blockade in Ukraine can be seen even in the fact that YouTube channels are being banned.

You are putin's scum, a fascist, you will stand trial and they will shoot you.
Do not forget this, fascist geek!

LOL, ukrobot, and you're a skumbag.
Glad to be on your list of normal people.

From your account pours the hatred of the average nonthinker.

you're a fucking unfinished, smelly russia - this is a terrorist country, and you will have to answer.
Fascist scum, remember that!

Okay, your case is clinical. I get it.

Normal people living in a shit for all their history. And instead of getting out of there, they pour shit on the rest of the world and ruin the lives of "not normal" and, in general, "not even completely people."


And from your account pours some two-hundred-year-old ideas about the world. Doesn't it bother you that your own bolsheviks destroyed such an empire you glorified in order to build something even more terrible and perverted? And now you are so bogged down in the past and are trying to dig up your greatness somewhere, that you do not know what to return to in the end - to the imperial times or to the Soviet abyss. And that two hundred years ago, same as now, you completely ignore the fact that others do not want to be a part of this madness.

By the way, the forum was not created in order to write the same posts in different topics about how others are stupid, because it is against your rasseya (quiqly checked your post history, it didn`t take much time for sure)

Don't refer to a group of Jewish Communists as "my Bolsheviks". You need to study history, too.

I've been on this forum since about 2014 or earlier, I just forgot the passwords to my accounts.
And I wrote enough about Donbass at that time, but what were you doing then?

History written by whom, I wonder? By so called russian "academic society", totally doing what the government or tzar or general secretar is telling them to do and to write?



I was living in the country where the real war began, started by russia. Watching injured people and destroyed families. Trying to help them. Donating to save their lives. Continue to do it right now. But of course this is nothing compared to you writing posts about Donbass.

It doesn't take an academic degree to see a group of Jewish Communists with a guard of Latvian riflemen.


Who did you donate to, directly to "Azov"?

Is it ok for you to write in the thread, which was created to notify forum members about the existence of such propaganda-putin-bots like you, and where the OP did even include you in this honor list? I wonder if you need an academic degree to understand what everyone here perceives you as

Maybe you think the Benderites are heroes, too?


"There is no evidence that the Banderaites murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews."

https://www.dw.com/uk/mzs-ukrainy-dystantsiiuvalosia-vid-sliv-posla-u-nimechchyni-pro-banderu/a-62323192

https://i.imgur.com/Cj888Bd.jpg

Maybe it's enough for you to post nonsense and Kremlin propaganda?
I want the war to end, Russia to lose and leave the territory of Ukraine forever.
I think that only a mentally ill person would support and approve of Russia's war against Ukraine.
Ukrainians are a free people and they want to live in peace.

https://i.imgur.com/7SJIW0J.jpg (https://youtu.be/4rynqvi4tS0)

That the Benderites were killing Jews was Kremlin propaganda?
You're a real prick.

Please add me to that list.

Partly, this is a protest for free speech:  I would very likely ask to be added to such a list, even if I otherwise agreed with the one making the list.  You want to ban people from the Bitcoin Forum for expressing their political opinions?  No matter what those opinions are, please add me to your list.  Also, please issue me negative trust feedback, as you have been doing to others for their opinions.  Thanks.  I’d be honoured, especially if you call me an information terrorist. :)

Not to say that I disagree.  Oh, noes!  Putin is an evil man:  I think that he’s the new Saddam Hussein, and Russia is now Iraq.  It is totally unprecedented for any country (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis) to make a preemptive military escalation when a strategic threat develops at its borders; anyway, I do not know how to read a map.  I am so glad that the Western media have never lied about atrocities, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony) that the U.S. president has no corrupt connections (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored) that may be relevant, (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/with-bidens-new-threats-the-russia) and that—totally unlike Russia!—the Western intelligence agencies don’t have a long history of using online brigades of professional shills to manipulate discussions and destroy reputations. (https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/)

Evil Putin bans all freedom of speech.  Russia’s enemies embrace freedom of speech. (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/homeland-securitys-disinformation)  There is no active U.S. program to censor Internet discussions about Russia. (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/former-intelligence-officials-citing)  Unlike Russia, the West tolerates dissent. (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/western-dissent-from-usnato-policy)  I can just totally believe that (https://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/) everything Russia says is false, and everything its enemies say is true. (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-spread)

Anyway, this discussion of the war (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-war-in-ukraine) is off-topic in Meta.  The important question is:  Why is this thread still here?

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On a personal note, I am aggrieved at the war—and for my own part, I lay the blame squarely on the corrupt politicians in America who engineered it.  I have had both Russian friends and Ukrainian friends for years.  When things started to blow up in that region in 2013–2014, I tried as delicately as I could to plead that the worst wars are wars between brothers.  I strongly dislike some of the rhetoric that the Russian media tend to apply to Ukrainians (and also, to various people from the Baltics).  Nonetheless, when the U.S. has been seeking via NATO, etc. to gain a strategic proxy like a dagger poised at Russia’s belly, I cannot avoid looking at a map, and remembering how the U.S. reacted in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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I have recently noticed some non-n00bs who should know better issuing negative trust feedback based on pro-Russian political opinions.  That is reprehensible, and a clear ~.  This forum has a customarily strict taboo against using political opinions as the substantial basis for negative trust feedback.  That is not even something that was ever controversial in DT, like some of the types of tags I issue.  Red tags for political opinions are 100% clear-cut trust system abuse.

The moderators should move this thread to Politics & Society (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0).  It is totally off-topic in Meta.

Permitting this thread in Meta gives the impression that the administration may consider sanctioning people who express unpopular opinions about the war.  The continued existence of this thread in Meta has a chilling effect on the freedom of speech.

OP is perfectly free to express his political opinion in the Politics & Society forum, or in forums where generalized or off-topic discussion is invited or tolerated (WO, Off-Topic, or the generalized Serious Discussion board).  If he wants to advocate that forum users with unpopular opinions should be banned from the forum and/or burnt at the stake, then that discussion is on-topic in Politics & Society.

Following your logic, if Obama regularly relieves himself in your front doors, then Russia has every right to commit a fall on the United States?



This has already been discussed many times - there is propaganda and distortion of facts, people from my list are doing propaganda, distorting facts, this is not their opinion, these are Kremlin narratives.
What do you think distinguishes propaganda from your own opinion?

Save your propaganda for someone who is as dumb as you are.

What do I need to do to get added to your list of people you want to censor?

Maybe you should try clicking all those links I made to one of my longtime favourite journalists, Glenn Greenwald.

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OP has been reported to the moderators, with a request to move this off-topic thread to Politics & Society.  I would be shocked if I were the first one to report it.  I am shocked that it’s been allowed here in Meta for the past four months.

You are just stupid, since you cannot distinguish the wheat from the chaff and completely trust the fascist false propaganda.
I live in a frontline area where many people speak Russian, no one wants war, but russia regularly shells civilian infrastructure where there are no soldiers. For me, this is an act of terrorism, and those who support it, for me they are also terrorists.
This is an obvious fact!
So follow the russian ship!

I also think that there should be no censorship on this forum.

Personally, I argued a lot with pro-Russian trolls in the Politics section where they keep saying that there was no attack and no war and it's all liberation through a military operation, but I don't try to put comments on their trust pages and I don't ask moderators to delete their posts. You cannot stop idiots from writing books, but it's a double edged sword, like when you put an average fighter against a terrible one, you start seeing how good that average guy is. We need these trolls to write stupid posts so that people can make their own minds and decide who's telling the truth. History will verify.

It's going to be a bit off-topic, but I've read a thing I'd like to mention here thing today. Remember when Putin said there are no Russian recruits fighting in Ukraine? Ukrainians started finding 18 year old POWs and putting their statements on youtube along with all their documents. This week Russia officially admitted that there indeed were about 600 young conscripts fighting in Ukraine, but it was a mistake and those responsible (the officers) will be prosecuted for giving orders to these boys... Try telling a mother that her son was sent to war and died by mistake. Try telling her that the ministry of defense did not know who they're sending across the border. I used to think that North Korea was the most bullshit country in the world with their laws requiring that every citizen comes to a leader's funeral and cries, but Russia is even worse. It's all built on lies and it's all going to be exposed sooner or later.

Censorship is the story behind the story here.  I am glad that the Bitcoin Forum, and especially theymos, have a strong tradition of supporting the freedom of speech.

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What do I need to do to get added to your list of censorship targets? ::)

On grounds of “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander,” maybe I should ask theymos the CEO of Bitcoin to ban you for spreading anti-Russian propaganda.  You are a dupe of the American Empire’s proxy-war machine, plus a hypocrite, a shill, and a patsy.

Don’t you care that innocent Russians and Ukrainians are dying because the U.S. professional nation-wreckers decided to blow up that part of the world?  I wish that the war could stop.  I am outraged at the U.S. and NATO for causing it.  And I absolutely will stand up here on the Bitcoin Forum against the U.S. propaganda system’s censorship, misinformation, disinformation, and one-sided demonization of Russia.


All italics are Greenwald’s.  Highlighting is mine.

I linked to both of these articles, and many others, in my first post on this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg60519558#msg60519558).  Alas, most people do not read.

Anyway, I am not interested in debating the war here and now.  I am interested in:

• Getting myself added to the list of censorship targets.  Because I stand for free speech.  Please target me with your censorship campaign.  Pretty please? :)
• Getting this thread moved from Meta—a forum-governance board where this thread is off-topic, and where its presence has a chilling effect on free speech—to Politics & Society, the proper place for discussing non-forum-governance politics.

You are a real moron and Putin's troll!
You do not have your own opinion, you are a slave, you are stupid and do not understand the reasons for the war, nor the difference between propaganda and freedom of speech.
This forum is very one-sided, many of my posts and entire threads in the Russian section have been deleted, but the messages of Putin's trolls, who splatter with hatred and are complete lies, have not been deleted.
So believe that there is freedom of speech and democracy.
You do not understand the terms at all, you are confused, you do not know what freedom of speech, democracy, your own opinion, propaganda are.
I am very worried that the number of stupid propagandist trolls is growing very strongly on this forum.

AWESOME! 🧨

I think we are getting somewhere.  Now, would you please add me to the list in OP (“Last edit: July 04, 2022, 06:02:35 PM by cryptomaxsun” (https://archive.ph/eDxlq))?  Don’t make me beg here.

Suggested text for OP’s list of users for which you want an “eternal ban”:


Thanks in advance. :)

P.S., please don’t forget to give me negative trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=976210) as you have been doing to others for their political opinions.  Thanks again. ;D

Can't agree with you man. After few rockets landed near me, I understood that sometimes censorship is for good.

Sorry, but with your blind spot you dissapointed me :(

Life is complicated thing, and something can be a curse and a cure in the same time. Amount differs  :)


P.S:
And please, do not try to jungle with "hate speech" and "free speech". As my friend from USA (Marine corp, lol) told me: "Yeah, f'cking snoflake can tell me somethings rasist if the think that this is his right. And my right - to beat up all the crap otta him!"

https://i.imgur.com/bxwkrkJl.jpg

This is true difference in "freedom". We should obtain american-like freedom (I'm free, noone can punch me!) not russian (I'm free, I can punch anyone! )

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Oh, I've read few your posts. Typical pro-russian conspiracy theories. If USA would really intervene, maybe there would not be that war. And now, as ukrainian, and as a witness of russian actions in my country the only things i could ask is that USA intervene as much as it can. I need american night vision googles, i need american rifle, my country needs HIMARS and M270. Not your sophisticated shit, since your ass is in warm safe place.

Since i respected you (until now) i was really afraid that you will came here and will start to post such horse shit. And it happened, for worse.
I see that nullius went full troll. Suchmoon was right about you.

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A little dive into situation from real ukrainian (me):


Russian take. And of course, russia is "elder brother" so he should determine how ukrainians should live, where should they join and what they should think and believe. Otherways, "elder brother" will launch a lot of missiles and rockets at ukrainians, start ethnic cleansings in Bucha and will threaten other world with nuclear war.

Ukrainians and russian are as much different as danish and germans (different languages, lol). Those who say otherwise or just useful idiots, or bloodthirsty russian morons who wants to rape and still dishwashers. Since you're not a russian "denazificator" I think the first option is about you.


Just a strongly dislike al those true-nazi takes of russians about ukrainians? (The most famous one is - We need to solve ukrainian question, the great allusion to Hitler's speech "Final Solution" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution) about jews)

 :'(

Tell me, dislike more than the fact of imprisoning of Russia Today worker Jullian Assange or not so much? Assange i think much more valuable that those filthy ukrainians, since they dare to fight against russian "liberators" who will free All nations against "usa imperialism" (and Assange too, despite he is not a nation  ;D )


The problem is that after 2014 it was ukrainians who wanted to join NATO, not USA. And I'm very grateful to USA that this country gives us a lot of anti-tank missiles to fry ruskies in their lightly-modernized soviet cans.

As it said in song: Invaders must die! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiqFcc_l_Kk)  


Oh, maybe I'm stupid, but I can't remember full scale invasion at Cuba with a lot of dead civilians, childrens and so on. naval blockade is a little bit different thing, isn't it? And after USSR removed it's nuclear missiles out of Cuba, USA was good with the fact that Cuba is Pro-Soviet. At least, during 50 years it never invaded Cuba.

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I see how much you're out of context about what's going on and why this war started. Some "geopolitical shit" about secure concerns and so on. Baltic states are in NATO for a long time, like already 20 years. And their territory much closer to Saint Petersburg and Moscow than Ukrainian. And i didn't see any war till now. Coвпaдeниe? He дyмaю!

The reason is much more terrible for such a silly idealist like you: russia is go full-facist style, and from now it's main goal to exterminate Ukraine, exterminate ukrainian language and culture. Even MY OWN FATHER who is now in russia cried on me through Viber that I'm Bandera-neonazi and disrespect my ancestors. You know what the reason for this? Maybe the fact that I'm in ukrainian army? (I'm not for now) No. Maybe because I'm ideological ukrainian nationalist? No.
Because one reason - I talked to him in ukrainian. So for an average russian - "Ukrainian language - 100 % nazi. Exterminate".

And this was far long until 2014. Even in 2011, I was in St.Petersburg and my father told me not to speak in ukrainian because "people will not understand. I told them that my son is good ukrainian". So, "bad ukrainian" is those who do not want to be russificated.

So, this war is crusade-style, like Nazi against jews situation in 1945. With only difference - ukrainians have a lot of weapons (God bless America and EU) and we will send those "denazificators" directly to Hell to their predecessors from Third Reich

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P.S:
So i have an ask for you: Delete your tags in my trust list. It's like a shit mark on me. Thank you in advance.

Thanks for pointing out very fast, that your judgment is completely flawed. Couldn't be faster since liar Glenn Greenwald has obviously purchased some real estate in Putin's ass recently. It's hard to get an understanding of how brainwashed by Putin's propaganda Greenwald really is but here you go:
 
Unfortunately (for Putin), there's a thing called INTERNET and we can find out why Putin doesn't like it:
The internet is an uncensored place, where people can go and find out, what's really happening in Ukraine, what's not shown on Russian state TV.
Putin's propaganda doesn't stand any chance there against what's really happening in Ukraine. Everyone can see on the internet, that Putin isn't doing some "special operation" to "liberate Ukraine". No! Everyone can see that Putin is invading Ukraine outright, while Ukraine is a sovereign state and that Putin is deliberately bombing civilian areas.
Not only that, he's bombing whole Ukrainian cities to the ground.

Because Putins final goal is to destroy the Ukrainian culture, destroy democracy, turn Ukraine into Russian territory, erase Ukraine completely (and probably some baltic states, too), and send everyone to gulags (or outright shoot them), whoever resists.
It's embarassing to see people advocating for such insane bullshit in a BITCOIN forum.
People advocating and enabling Russian agression and opression!
Insane!

So, yes, brainwashed people like Glenn Greenwald are resposible when Putin achieves to take more Ukrainian ground and when Putin achieves more terretorial gains, where he can destroy more Ukrainian cities.
Because Greenwald is deliberately throwing Ukrainians under the Russian bus.
People like Greenwald are the best soldiers for Putin in the West to undermine Ukrainian defense against Putin's invasion.  

Putin has no business in Ukraine! Invading another sovereign country is nuts, bombing civilians and whole cities to the ground is nuts and people trying to find justifications for Putin's war are similarly nuts!
In fact, people like Greenwald are a shame!

Of course there no need for "pro-ukrainian" (I laughed a lot, this is like "pro-victim propaganda", total nonsense) censorship, since Ukraine is great in curing some misinformation by it's own. Unlike russia. So it's obvious we need to help russia with this  :)

For example: ombudsperson Lyudmyla Denisova was fired because a lot of disinformation she provided to Western society. Fired by ukrainians.

"He also accuses her of having focused too much on media work, and on describing sexually motivated crimes in gratuitous detail as well as the raping of children in occupied territories. However, some of these accounts, he said, had not been verified, which had harmed Ukraine's reputation and distracted media attention from other, proven crimes and problems." (https://www.dw.com/en/why-ukraines-human-rights-chief-lyudmyla-denisova-was-dismissed/a-62017920)

Can you give me an example from russia, eh? Of such "self-curing against misinformation". I'm waiting.

Do you apply the same principle to Putin’s censorship, if he believes he has a duty to Russia to win a war?

(Sure, I myself love censorship—just love it!—when I am the one doing the censoring.  Funny how that works.)

The important question here, and the only one that I am interested in debating on this thread:  Do you advocate that people who express pro-Russian (or even non-anti-Russian) opinions should be banned from the Bitcoin Forum, as demanded by OP here?


Back atcha.  What is your blind spot, when you are going around attacking Greenwald and me with anti-Russian rants—on threads where Russia was not even mentioned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228619.msg60530082#msg60530082)? ::)

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No reason to waste my time writing a reply to this garbage, when I can simply quote myself from another thread where johhnyUA made a totally off-topic attack on Greenwald and me.


1miau, I repeat to you the same question as I put to johhnyUA:  Do you advocate that people who express pro-Russian (or even non-anti-Russian) opinions should be banned from the Bitcoin Forum, as demanded by OP here?

I did NOT come here to debate the Russia question.  Are you even aware that this is in the Meta forum, not Politics & Society?  I entered this thread because on free-speech grounds, I am outraged at a Meta thread demanding bans of users for their political opinions.  Do you agree with OP’s demand for an “eternal ban” of his political blacklist?

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@cryptomaxsun, why will you not add me to your censorship target list in OP?  I have said things that are clearly unacceptable to you.  I have gotten myself personally attacked here, in insulting terms, by some people who evidently agree with you.  Please add me to your list.  Please?  I am beginning to fear that you are afraid of showing yourself to be the total lunatic that you are—demanding a ban of a user with a long history of advocating for free speech, who came here to quote Greenwald articles about censorship and wartime misinformation in the West.  Please don’t chicken out on me. :(

Here is an improved version of my prior suggestion:

Sophisticated shit. There is a big difference: He invaded another country.

In fact, this is typical situation "aggressor-victim". It's good to silence aggressor but not good to silence a victim. And noone fucking care about aggressor problems. If he's not a madman he of course has his own incentives. "oh man, i don't have sex for so long, maybe i can rape this girl on the street".
Does rapist has an incentive and logical reasoning? yes of course. His actions very logical. Still we do not need "to try to understand him". To jail with no excuses.

Aggressor and victim are not the same. We can't treat them in the same way. The fact that one attacking/raping/robbering  and another just protecting himself makes them too different. Sooooo.  There nothing bad to divide this entities. This is not some kind of "hypocrisy", this is just a logical solution, since as i said above this entities are not the same in their motivation and their actions.

Otherwise, to try to treat them the same / apply the same principles and so on it's kind of stupid. This turn potential situation "man tries to rape a woman on the street" into "two drunk buddies beat crap outta each other"

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will answer to all other sophisticated juggling tomorrow in the morning, so this post will be expanded

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A little clarification: I'm not for a ban to those morons on BITCOINTALK forum. Because this is forum about bitcoin. But I'm highly accept such "lists of shame". Some kind of cancel culture. Your loved Lauda created a lot of such lists, for much less valuable reasons.

As you see, I personally created such a long time ago for close reasons - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1928179.msg19138996#msg19138996

I'm not johnnyUA but my answer would be:
Greenwald is a dipshit.  :D

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Ban is only reserved for plagiarism-related offenses and I'm not making the (inofficial) official Bitcointalk rules.

What I'm doing against Putin trolls:
I'm simply calling out their lies.
Like that:


Calling out the Russian propaganda is enough.
And the average Kremlin troll is pretty butthurt when that's happening.  :D


People spreading excuses for Putin's war (like you) should ask themselves one question: does it feel good to spread excuses for Putin's war, excuses for murder, for death and destruction? Or is your alt account death_wish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3474542) inspired by your Putin war-apologia?

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You are funny!
Advocating for free speech while spreading Russian propaganda (where people saying that a war is going on, are going to prison) isn't a bit of a contradiction?

Not outraged about your own double standards?

Truly, your rationality, eloquence, and reasonableness in discourse are astonishing.

Years ago, when people on the right sneered at me that I shouldn’t read stuff by that liberal fag Greenwald, I told them to fuck off.  Your cheap insults (and dogwhistles?) will not so easily dissuade me from reading the reports of a man with sterling journalistic integrity and personal courage, whom I respect for the same reason that you now ridicule him:  He reports on unpopular facts that people do not want to see.

I stand with Greenwald.

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Translation:  You have no answer for what I have said.

You are projecting about “sophisticated juggling”, when you evade and slide around anything that in any way contradicts your hatred for Russia.

I am not a Russian partisan, per se.  I wish for peace between Russia and Ukraine.  I resolutely oppose the American Empire’s world-wrecking agenda, which here proceeds apace; I have been outspoken on this forum against the American Empire for years, (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg31096663#msg31096663) so my position should be no surprise.  And hereby apropos, I oppose the massive groupthink campaign of censorship, propaganda, polarization, and intimidation to enforce an unlimited blind hate towards Russia.

From your posts, I can see that you will condemn me, insult me, and attack me if I refuse to condemn Russia—if I refuse to declare myself an enemy of Russia.  Well, I do NOT condemn Russia.  I am NOT an enemy of Russia.  To the contrary.  I consider myself a friend of the Russian people; and objectively, I can see Russia’s strategic predicament.  I also personally have no ill-will to Ukrainian people; years ago, before I ever registered for this forum, I had some outright Ukrainian nationalist friends, too.  I object to some of the rhetoric from certain quarters on the Russian side—let’s just put it this way:  When there are some people on both sides screaming that the other side are Nazis, the discourse is tragicomically broken down to a degree that is probably offensive to real Nazis.  To top it off, my worst complaints about RT are their habitual sniping at Baltic peoples, and some of their historical doublethink—other than that, I think that RT is much more honest than The New York Times; that is admittedly damning with faint praise.  If you want to be my enemy, it is your choice.

Just noticed this skimming by a post from earlier, which changed drastically several times after I first read it:


Oh, maybe you don’t know much about history.  Nukes almost flew; they probably would have, if Russia had not backed down enough to satisfy the Americans in a negotiated settlement.  Apocalyptic thermonuclear war (https://web.archive.org/web/20210529021148/https://books.google.com/books?id=UJEGCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT16&lpg=PT17&focus=viewport) is a little bit of a different thing, isn’t it?

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At this juncture, I began to draft what would be quite a long essay about my own opinions on the war.  However, as I have said repeatedly, I did not enter this thread to discuss the war in itself.  There are Politics & Society (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0) threads for that purpose; and if I have a different angle on it, I can create a P&S thread, too.  If I wish to discuss the war here on the Bitcoin Forum, then I will properly do so in Politics & Society (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0).  If.  It is not exactly the purpose for which I myself come to the Bitcoin Forum.

Here, in Meta, I am interested in discussing the Bitcoin Forum’s long-cherished policy of freedom of speech.

For the record, this is the status of my request to move this thread to Politics & Society:

Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=reportlist;mine

July 06, 2022, 08:11:44 AM

The situation with Ukraine and the accounts that supported the war. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg59434884#msg59434884)

cryptomaxsun (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=805294)

Unhandled

My report text (saved by me before submission):

Quote from: nullius

Please move to Politics & Society.  This thread is *wildly* off-topic in Meta; and as I stated publicly, the tolerance of this off-topic thread in Meta chills the freedom of speech: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg60519558#post_modmsg

^^^ The forum’s policy as such is a properly on-topic discussion for Meta.  By citation to Greenwald’s reports, I have adequately demonstrated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg60523978#msg60523978) that Internet censorship, and especially Big Tech censorship, is a major problem on this topic.  I urge the Bitcoin Forum not to contribute to that, even subtly, by giving the impression that requests may be considered for “an eternal ban” (https://archive.ph/4rUvU#selection-559.8-559.22) of users with unpopular opinions.

This thread is an attempt to intimidate users with pro-Russia opinions—and even users who have simply refused to take anti-Russian positions.  Not naming names as may draw bigger targets on people—I see at least one person on that list only because he refused a demand that he act adversely to Russians.  (I need not remark on OP’s cowardice and hypocrisy in ignoring my polite requests to be added to his censorship-target list, for which I obviously qualify.)

Why is this thread still in Meta?

An update based on events logically following my last post (“Today at 06:29:28 AM”), which I wish to leave unedited for the record:  I notice now that less than three minutes before I hit the “post” button on something that I had mulled for hours, OP finally added me to his list of censorship targets.

Snapshot—“Last edit: Today at 06:26:47 AM by cryptomaxsun”: (https://archive.ph/2wdS0#selection-727.0-733.71)

Well, if I wanted to be targeted for censorship as a free-speech activist, what is worse than being branded an “information terrorist”?  This is. :)

There is nothing worse than to be denied the dignity of even having my own opinions, (https://archive.ph/gnx6n#selection-6675.0-6677.173) and to be told that I am “mistaken” and “confused” about matters which I have carefully considered.  An “information terrorist” has free will, intelligence, and personal agency:  He has the dignity of existence.  He is called “evil”, he is the enemy, he is hated—but he is.  All of those are denied to me:  I am a nullity.  My mind is a passive vessel, into which propaganda is poured by Putin-trolls—my emptiness is filled by that awful Greenwald. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388472.msg60531645#msg60531645)

It even seems implied that I am some sort of a victim.  Logically, I must need to be protected from propaganda—for my own good.  Since I have already been damaged by propaganda, (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/western-dissent-from-usnato-policy) perhaps I should be cured of my mistakes and my confusion at the Ministry of Love.  That would be an act of kindness and mercy.

If only I could be cured of Greenwald’s evil influence—if only all of that Putin propaganda could be erased from my brain!—then I would realize that the whole war is black-and-white, Russia is 100% wrong, the Ukraine is 100% right, and the Americans must act as the saviours of the world.  Alas, I am helplessly befuddled by propaganda which has not been adequately censored (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/former-intelligence-officials-citing) by the Western Big Tech companies and the Western mass-media. ???

As a free-speech activist, I could find no better “endorsement” of my position.

Thank you, OP.  You have exceeded my expectations. :)

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Listen, for you, war, like freedom of speech, is an abstraction. You believe, but you don't understand, it's irrational.
Come to Ukraine, live under shelling, see with your own eyes how everything is going on, talk to different people here, feel the pain of the people who suffered from the war.
That's when we'll talk. And so, this is a conversation about nothing and everyone will have their own opinion.
As the Chinese proverb says, Don't judge a man until you walk his path in his own shoes.
P.S. Let this topic be a list of shame, but not a call to ban people, if it makes it easier for you, I realized that no one will ban.

Buddy, a trip to Donetsk has been waiting for you for a long time.

https://news.ru/europe/raketnyj-udar-vsu-po-zhilym-kvartalam-donecka-snyali-na-video/

I did not expect to see anything but pro-russian propaganda from you.

You should go to Donetsk and see what's there, because you're always crying about propaganda.

And why not Mariupol, not Bucha? What has russia done with these cities?
And why not Kharkov, Northern Saltovka?
Donetsk is in many cities of Ukraine, so there is no need to tell fairy tales.

https://twitter.com/MirovichMedia/status/1545414503113842707
https://twitter.com/MirovichMedia/status/1544314264600694785

https://t.me/shot_shot/41564

Because if it weren't for the constant shelling of Luhansk and Donetsk you wouldn't have to make up excuses.

USB-pimp, have you been to Donetsk yourself? Or are you sitting on your sperm-soaked couch eating the shit they shit in your toilet bowl (which you have instead of your head)?

https://i.imgur.com/7Gk4NCB.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yy4RP4FMNk)

I'm watching it myself and I advise you to watch it.

https://vgtrk.ru/russia24

This scum constantly sprinkles with hatred for the Ukrainians, and again justifies terrorism, a rocket strike in Vinnitsa on July 14 in the afternoon on a cluster of civilians is real terrorism.
Do you, too, justify such scum?
And they express their own and very valuable opinion for the forum and this is never propaganda?
 Snork1979  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5392838.msg60566604#msg60566604

КaPФaгeн дoлжeн быть paзpyшeн.

Fascist, remember, you will have to answer for crimes. And you personally.

https://i.imgur.com/lzgQRCO.jpg

https://www.mk-donbass.ru/incident/2022/07/16/nochnoy-obstrel-donecka-unes-zhizni-mirnykh-grazhdan.html

"What are we in for?"

https://i.imgur.com/wKEhFgW.png

Gestalt closed
https://youtu.be/Xbt-nvORB8o

"Russians burn in hell, Orwell applauds you."

The unknown dick from the mountain addresses the Russians. This is a victory.

https://i.imgur.com/gJPwPHZ.jpg

The chmo-moderators in the russian section delete this photo, but do not delete calls for violence, war, mockery of the Ukrainian people, approval of the killing of civilians, and so on.
democracy and freedom of speech that we deserve, continue to consider this forum a stronghold of freedom of expression, fascism in action.

Obviously, you are posting this picture just for the sake of trolling your opponents. And you started doing it in the topic Aллeя cлaвы RU лoкaли (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209370.0)
For the understanding of users who do not understand Russian language, I would compare this topic with English Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4564216.0)

Here is the link to your post: https://ninjastic.space/post/60902406
Just picture to troll someone and smile.

Then you posted this picture again in the same topic, but already adding text with insults and accusations that moderators delete your posts with calls for peace: https://ninjastic.space/post/60903743

Maybe I don't know something and some terrible villain really came and started deleting your posts with calls for peace? Then I cut this post into a separate topic with the title "reason for deleting posts". What did you do in response? You edited the post very fast by deleting all the charges, replacing them with a photo: https://susepaste.org/images/65429508.png

What was that? Some kind of strategic move so that the topic for trolling some of your opponents remains at the root of the section? Sorry, but it's against the rules, whether you like them or not.

What rules? What are you talking about, why are you deleting this picture and not deleting all the dirt that the russian swine-fascists are pouring?
Are you out of your mind?
This is not even democracy, this is stupidity and the formation of the opinion that everyone is for russia, you are unworthy of being a moderator, once exceeds your authority and deleting posts forms the picture you need.
once again, this forum has shown that there is no freedom of speech!

I can sympathize with your frustration, but don't confuse freedom of speech with following the rules of the community. Besides, moderators are people too and sometimes make mistakes; they have emotions and opinions just like everyone else. As you can see, no one has deleted your post in this thread.