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So the case of Inflation has finally hit the world head on.
Bitcoin was supposed to be the solution to all of this.
How come Bitcoin has not come to save us yet.?

Why are we not being able to hedge against the inflation and prevent this from happening.

Inflation is very ugly, yet no one is doing anything about it.

why is that?

What do you want to happen here? Do you need Bitcoin will pump parabolic immediately? I don't think it will be healthy for Bitcoin.
Yes,  I agree with you about inflation right now and it sucks too. But I am always looking forward to the long term, Bitcoin is one of the best ways to avoid this inflation. But having no patience, it's useless.

Well, as what you and others are expecting, it's the opposite, bitcoin still affected of the current world market especially in dollar and oil,  even though it is said to be inflation-proof. Although having bitcoin in long term will show how its said as against the inflation.

It's not supposed to be but it can be the solution to monetary inflation. AFAIK, it's been an effective hedge against the massive fiat printing during the height of the pandemic.

Do not expect bitcoin to solve the current price inflation as an effect of the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict. It's inevitable that the soaring prices of oil and gas will affect all other goods/services.

If you zoom out when looking at bitcoin price chart, you will see that you are completely wrong.
You shouldn't expect bitcoin price to rise every day.
I guess you bought bitcoin when there was FOMO in the market and now you are complaining about the price.

The following topic may be helpful to you. Ratimov has posted a table comparing bitcoin price change with some other assets in the past years.
Annual and monthly profitability of bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388701)

Disclaimer:
I am not making any prediction on bitcoin price. Nobody knows what will happen in future.  

The only possible vehicle that will carry people past the high inflation rate of the world is Bitcoin. If the reason why it was created is implemented by the world they can escape inflation forever. People run to bitcoin and out saying that it won't solve the inflation problem since no vendor is ready to accept bitcoin. When people practice the Peer2peer kind of trading it'll save the world from the economic crisis that may arise. Thereby providing more profits to people that Hodl long term.

Zooming out is the way to look at it. Those investors of BTC long before the covid and inflation comes, have the edge because they've seen it back in the 2008 crisis. Investors who come in 2020 see BTC be the great inflation hedge because they've only seen the market in the upward direction. Timing is not very perfect for those investors, some of them recently learned about BTC. They can only see the effect of it in long term, possibly 4 years from now.

If you really want to find a stable and safe from inflation, maybe you make gold an option. That doesn't mean you should actually hedge on fluctuating prices. This is not specifically for those of you who don't believe in what Bitcoin has to offer. If now inflation makes us suffer, bitcoin is still an alternative. The reason is simple, in Bitcoin even though the price is going down, it reverses when it recovers to multiples that even gold cannot offer as a hedge.

The case of inflation has always been present ever since the current fiat system is in place. But, is Bitcoin really the supposed solution to inflation? I don't think so. While Bitcoin's fixed supply is obviously a design which particularly protects the people from the continuous debasement of money due to abuse or indiscriminate printing and injection of new supply to the circulation, it was never a guarantee that the price value of Bitcoin will always move upward. After all, Bitcoin's price is solely determined by the market.

Also, you cannot expect Bitcoin to address the current problem of a different system just as you cannot expect the mechanic to address the problems faced by physicians. Are we a Bitcoin economy? No. Is our existing economic paradigm parallel to that of Bitcoin's standard? No. Are the world's population, companies, governments, and others living according to the principles of Bitcoin? No. We are living in a fiat world, so why are we surprised if we are facing fiat problems?

Wrong. Bitcoin was not created to solve inflation issue. Whoever told you otherwise was misleading you.
Bitcoin was created to give people financial freedom due to its decentralized nature. The fact that it has a capped supply which makes it deflationary is just a bonus not the goal.

For starters bitcoin is not a hedge against inflation even though it can act as one.
Besides, if you zoom out you can clearly see that bitcoin value has been constantly rising so your question makes no sense here either. For example 2 years ago price was about $3000 and now it is $40000 which is roughly a 1200% rise. What more do you want?! This is bigger than the biggest inflations.

With Bitcoin, patience is key.

You can not buy Bitcoin today and wish that it will make you richer tomorrow. It requires time and patience along the way. Patience will reward you with profit by holding Bitcoin. Bitcoin is here to save us from bank hyper inflation but it only works if you are able to hold your Bitcoin a few years. Because it takes time for the people to realize hyper inflation from bank systems, then a little more time to recognize the value of Bitcoin as an asset against hyper inflation.

You're right, the OP's desperate attitude usually happens with people who focus on the short term.


Saylor's message, which has become so pervasive that it seems as if bitcoin was originally created to beat inflation. In any case, although it may seem a side effect, I believe that it cannot be separated from the essence of Bitcoin: in the face of fiat currencies that are worth less and less because more and more are being created, Bitcoin can only act as a protector against this inflation.

Try asking when something good comes to you but you don't know how to use it. It still makes sense.
The problem of universalizing knowledge, I believe, takes a long time for people to easily access and accept it. If you look at it from your own perspective, it can cause many other big problems in life, as simple as the fact that some poor countries cannot access BTC :) and only a few are aware of it.
But let's be optimistic because we will find out for ourselves how this life turns out, and BTC will be a part of that too.

It is not bitcoin's fault, it has never been. Bitcoin is just an alternative, meant to be use for P2P transactions, and the technology it brought. Inflation is unstoppable and you just can't feel the change in just a single day. Most of all country experiencing inflation even the greatest country you've ever known. Either you increase your wealth to go with the flow or remain like what you are right now putting blame on Bitcoin and other things because your money's purchasing power is getting weaker.

Satoshi Nakamoto never mentioned Bitcoin is the solution against inflation, you can read on Bitcoin whitepaper and if you find it, show it here. I believe you read that from so called expert predicting Bitcoin price, while they're not a real expert.

Bitcoin could be a solution, but it's not created to solve inflations. If you're a real holder as your account created on 2017, you'll not complaint about this matter since at least your capital is multiply x2.

It was never meant to save and rid the world of its problems. It was meant to safekeep your assets while the rest of the world goes to shit. It's doing just that currently, and it's holding on albeit the pressure from the world economy going to shit. That's the only thing that bitcoin can do, and the rest of the problem should be solved by world leaders coming to an agreement on how they should fix the economy. It might solve individual people's problems, but not the world as a whole.

Don't know where you've been for the past several years... but Bitcoin's pretty much been a great way to preserve value since the last two global recessions (not to mention the hyperinflation that's been hitting a string of countries, not least notable and most recently the Russian rouble).

Besides, where in any Bitcoin literature has it ever claimed to have been here to "save us from inflation"?

What do you think of Bitcoin ? a superhero that will be there whenever the worlds Needs a Help?

Lol bitcoin is a currency that needs to be bought or use before having an effect so as long as you are not buying and circulating this together with others then don't ask for such stupid question.

Prove that you are worthy of your claim and Invest into bitcoin now.

And who says Bitcoin will save us from inflation "instantly"?
Please refer to the historical data of Bitcoin. Look at it closely since day 1 and compare how Bitcoin is worth today compared from 5-10 years ago. If you happen to put your money into Bitcoin 5 years ago, please tell me If Bitcoin did not save you from inflation?

Bitcoin wasn't created to stop inflation though. Instead it's giving you the option to avoid inflation in a long term perspective though.

Bitcoin is the solution ? yeah maybe but how will this can happen? that is  something that we all must take part , bitcoin will not act for us but we must act for bitcoin.

Because you are doing nothing but just waiting. act for it mate .

In time,, You'll see mate thats for sure.

Bitcoin was founded to be alternative to fiat and give the power back to the people from the banking institutions. It was not created to stop inflation or control it. Supply of bitcoin being deflationary is a good thing, but that does not solve the inflation problem in fiat market. For doing that governments need to reduce printing of banknotes.

You can buy bitcoin when its price is low in fiat and hold that. Since bitcoin is deflationary, you are profiting during the selling phase.

If you have something to offer, we are all ears.

That's the point, I think that's totally normal when some people especially the newbies expect to see their money going to the moon always they think the market should always stay green, that's normal because none want to lose any money, I heard even some people are saying bitcoin is bad because they could that hight price prices and now they are not ina good situation, but we should always understand the market need to do some corrections and save the potential for higher targets, sometimes this correction can be huge. but if you look for the long term you won't have problems.

Yes inflation has happened, and what were you expecting to happen? Were you expecting to become a millionaire immediately you have invested your money in Bitcoin? If that was your expectation then I am sorry you would be highly disappointed.From 2018 to 2021, the price of Bitcoin was very low, why didn’t you invest all this while, or even invest in 2015 when the price of Bitcoin was as low as $200? But, no most of you chose to neglect Bitcoin, because you thought it was useless.

But, now you have seen how far it has gotten. You will just get in within a short time and you would be expecting the price to reach a really high price so that you will become rich immediately. The price won’t go up like that, it’s something that takes years for it to happen.

Last time I checked the Bitcoin network is still there working flawlessly.

Why blame Bitcoin?
Dont rely alone on it. Often, things wont go the way you expected it to be thus you must have a plan B incase something went wrong. Its a good choice if you invest in Bitcoin but dont be impatient. Inflation is already there so do something to help yourself like getting more than one job.

I don’t get why some people use the word savior of the world for Bitcoin. That seems quite dumb to me, because that isn’t really what Bitcoin is all about. First of all Bitcoin is meant for making transactions, and the main purpose for creating it was just to have another type of currency that wouldn’t be controlled by the government, and would just be on its own, so that people can have privacy and as well have the freedom to do whatever they want to do with their assets or money.

As we may have it, Bitcoin happens to be also an asset that has a limited supply and keeps gaining value overtime. So the only way that it can save you is that you are investing now and having patience to benefit from it in the future. But if your plans are that it is going to help you right now, then you’re just lying to yourself.

The level of inflation right now depends heavily on where you are and which fiat you're talking about. If it's very solid fiat like the USD, EUR and similar currencies, the inflation rate is at 6-8% from what I've seen. So it's above the 5% target, but not by much, and it's not a devastating increase by any means. So in that case there's very little sense in turning to Bitcoin to save the wealth because not much of it will be lost due to inflation and because Bitcoin can easily fall lower than this inflation rate. Then we have Russia, with restrictions of having USD and EUR, and ruble lost almost half of its value (https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-rouble-drops-fresh-record-low-thin-offshore-trade-2022-03-07/) over a short period of time, and, by the way, Russian bank cards don't work in most countries anymore as well. In that case, Bitcoin might be the best savior from inflation because the risk of Bitcoin fluctuating downward is way lower that the almost certainty of being left with almost nothing if your savings are in ruble (and the majority of Russians (https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2018/10/02/12005527.shtml) keep savings in ruble (https://quote.rbc.ru/news/article/5f7eb93b9a7947f5e9fdc5b0)).

You say no one is doing anything about inflation but that’s just not true. I’m not entirely sure how countries besides the United States handle combating inflation but that US Federal Reserve buys and sells securities to try and help inflation as well as highering and lowering interest rates. So there are people trying to do something about it.

You created a profile almost 5 years ago on the forum and still haven't figured out how Bitcoin could protect you from inflation? At the beginning of 2017 1 BTC was worth barely $1000, today it is worth almost 40 times more, and last year it was worth almost 70 times more. I could bet that in 5 years you will ask the same question when the price of 1 BTC is 5 or 10 times higher than today, but this is a problem you have to solve with yourself.

Seen from my perspective (and that of many other people) the thing works perfectly, of course if we look at it in the long run. Be on the side of the winners who invest in times when the markets are in the red, not those who do it in the middle of a bull run.

What do you mean ?
How is bitcoin not saving you from the inflation? How exactly? The price prediction of Bitcoin is still strong and at the same time it have exceeded its value as a whole, even in 2022, the price rose when the war began, considering the whole month, we have seen some ups and downs but at the same time, it's getting recognized around the world.
Russians and ukranians are both using bitcoins to tackle the situation right now. Inflation does not mean that bitcoins will protect us by not increasing in price! It does mean that it would continue to increase in value and maintain it overtime connecting the world around, helping people take international jobs as well so that they have an option away from the governmental controlled fiat and jobs.

It just doesn't work that way. Of course you can hold bitcoin to fight against inflation and grow your wealth but not everyday is rainbow and sunshines.
Right now it's time to buy more coins and fill our bags so that we don't weep when the price are near an ATH.
We are having the opportunity to buy at lower prices right now. Making use of it while we can is the right approach to be followed.
We are still fighting against inflation by buying more during the dips. But if you just think about profits all the time then you are just speculating over growing your money.
While that's not a bad thing but blaming bitcoin right now for that it's just a stupid thing to do.

I would guess that it also depends on the items and the job you are on. So if you are in trucking business (which has been already in trouble because of covid, and also truckers denying to work because of vax mandate) and the oil prices are higher, then you will be impacted harder. Even in the nations like USA or in Europe. However, if you are working in making burgers, that may not be impacted a lot, or selling tv's? Maybe not impacted a lot.

We have to remember that 5-10% inflation means some stuff went high a lot, like oil did, or healthcare did, but some things did not move too much at all. Sure on nations with 50%+ inflation, everything went up. But, 5-10% ones had one thing going up while the other one not so much.

Food , Gas, housing, energy basically everything is increasing in price.

So people that own bitcoins or altcoins , are selling to help cover the difference and not able to buy more crypto, because of less spare fiat money.

Odd that inflation is actually causing all crypto to decrease, but that is happening, and it may be the beginning of one of the worst crypto winters on record.

When it comes down to it, do you need to buy/hold bitcoin or feed the family.
Feed the family will always win if the person is sane.

Indeed for now bitcoin has not been able to save us from inflation, but we must realize bitcoin is still in the development stage, and it still takes time for bitcoin to overcome all these problems, but now many Russian investors have turned to crypto, because of sanctions problems from various countries .

Yes it is very true that Bitcoin and even precious metals will not totally protect you against inflation.

Yes right now. Many people who are very "pay cheque to pay cheque" will be forced to sell off various crypto and any other investments in order to live.

Even some are in the situation of selling at a lower price then they bought into the market.

It is just how it is. No other way around it.

When it comes down to means of survival one will resort to many things and do what it takes.

Even if we had Bitcoin or Gold as the standard of many currency/money. The situation would be the same. People sell things when they need to survive. Simple math.

some people will have more resources/money then others/. It has always been that one.

The truth is, you will always have people falling through the cracks of poverty and other people will succeed and be just fine. You will always have people with lots of resources who are quite wealthy.

Always been that way since the beginning of time. No way around it. I doubt it would ever change.

what do you want from bitcoin, inflation affects all sectors I think, and bitcoin is also affected by the exchange rate of $ and oil, anyway btc can not be used as collateral to help inflation I think, if you expect bitcoin to always go up I think it is impossible to be granted because bitcoin has a cycle, it doesn't always go up and fly
So if you want to invest stable and inflation-free try gold bullion, which is real and has little loss

Because bitcoin is very volatile and you can't save yourself from inflation here and now. Bitcoin is a long-term investment, and if you had bought it a few years ago, your money would be inflation-free now. I am more than sure that if you buy bitcoin right now, in three or four years the outcome will be the same. So if you think about the future, you should have bitcoin.

First of all, as everyone says, Bitcoin was never touted as such. Only people like Robert Kiyosaki would say stuff like that (but they always change their mind later).

Then,,, you need to look up history of crypto projects that actually claimed to save from inflation and realize that there are more  dead than alive today. So many launched, so many claimed the same,,, and where are they now? Dead because zero utility.

Finally,,, inflation is a risk and a failure of mechanism. Gold buys more tomorrow than what it buys yesterday. The same as Bitcoin. They are not immune to inflation but over longterm they always are inflation proof.

It is not in its development stage. The reason why it didn't "save" us is the fact that it moved from 6k in march 2020 to 40k right now, that is around 7 times higher, if people think that it is not saved, then I do not know what they are expecting from crypto.

Even higher than what we should have been because we had a huge hyped period. All in all Russians did helped the price to stay afloat a bit higher and doing fine right now. But, that should not be the reason why bitcoin is looking great right now, we should realize that it is not doing as well as you might imagine, but that doesn't change the fact that it has done amazingly so far.

It has saved me from many financial problems, I don't know about you. But to say that it's going to be the solution for all, I don't think that's possible. Bitcoin alone cannot save an entire problems of each individual.

What we have to do is to keep on investing and holding it. I'm still doing my routine and I have no complains about it. If people just look at the current ride, you'll not appreciate how far bitcoin has gone by now.

I can agree with that. It is not the responsibility of bitcoin to save us anyway. It is your own strategy how to take advantage of the opportunity and use your knowledge of crypto to optimize its features. It doesn't say that when you are holding bitcoin, you are exempted from inflation or other financial setbacks. It is still your own action how to make use of this knowledge to your advantage.

As the previous weeks have showed us bitcoin is still not yet recognised as an asset equal to gold yet , when war broke out we saw a huge increase in commodities like gold and oil followed by a blood bath on the crypto market (btc took a fairly easy hit but still).

Bitcoin doesn't necessarily have to increase in price for it to counteract inflation. In any individual's financial repository, as long as they have an asset that doesn't, by design, lose 2 percent annually, their purchasing power can be maintained. It used to be gold that was tucked away, now it's crypto. With currency inflation, the purchasing power is guaranteed to decrease, but with Bitcoin that isn't a factor. Bitcoin is the solution and it doesn't necessarily take a price increase in order to appreciate the decentralization component. We might be living in a fiat world, but with the inflation rate for most currencies, not for long.

That is true, that Bitcoin is somehow designed to counter inflation. However, the bottom line of inflation is that the prices of goods and services are increasing. That the value of fiat is decreasing more or less 2% annually doesn't speak much about anything outside the rising prices. So Bitcoin not rising in price will not be able to counter inflation. It will still suffer from the effects of inflation.

This is primarily because right now, whether we like it or not, Bitcoin is not independent from fiat, or from the fiat economy in general. As a matter of fact, Bitcoin's price is in fiat. We do not provide goods and services prices in Bitcoin. We only convert their fiat prices to Bitcoin such that whenever their prices increase in fiat, and Bitcoin's price doesn't increase, their prices will also increase in Bitcoin.