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Title: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Hydrogen on March 29, 2022, 10:18:17 PM
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It has been eight years since Russia last invaded Ukraine. What has changed, and what has not?

Russian exports of oil and natural gas are an essential source of hard currency that helps cover the cost of importing manufactured goods. Russia’s oil, gas, and coal exports are also an essential source of energy for European consumers and businesses, without which they couldn’t generate electricity, fuel their vehicles, or heat their homes and offices.

This entanglement limits the West’s ability to penalize Russian aggression financially. Yes, cutting Russia off from the global financial system would devastate the Russian economy and impose severe hardship on the Russian civilian population, but it would also force Europeans to slash their energy consumption.

Milder sanctions could protect Europe’s access to oil, coal, and gas, but their impact on the Russian government’s behavior would be commensurately smaller. The Putin regime has spent years acclimating Russians to material deprivation and it has also built up substantial financial buffers. Not for the first time, conservative macroeconomic and regulatory policies have shielded a revisionist regime from international pressure.

There was nothing that Europeans could have done about the Russian government’s decision to impose severe costs on its civilian population for the sake of maintaining its own flexibility. But Europeans can and should be blamed for becoming even more reliant on Russian fossil fuel exports since the 2014 invasion of Ukraine. They wasted nearly a decade when they could have been greening their economies and also increasing the security of their own neighborhood. Ukrainians—and others—will now have to live with the consequences.

Russia’s Fortress Balance Sheet

The Russian government’s ability to withstand financial pressure was hard-earned. Most obviously, total spending on imported goods and services (in U.S. dollar terms) has consistently been about 25-30% lower than it was before the first invasion of Ukraine. While some of this can be attributed to declines in the world prices of Russia’s oil and gas exports, Western sanctions and Russian domestic policies have also played a role.

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The sustained drop in imports has left a mark on Russian consumers’ spending. In inflation-adjusted terms, Russian households spent 12% less in 2016 than they did at the peak in 2014. Even in 2019—before the coronavirus pandemic upended the world economy—Russian consumers were about 2% worse off in material terms than they were before the first invasion of Ukraine.

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Meanwhile, Russian businesses and other borrowers responded to external financial pressures—and domestic political ones—by slashing their foreign-currency denominated debt by $200 billion since the beginning of 2014. The Russian government also spent $200 billion adding to its stockpile of reserves (gold, bank deposits, and bonds) since mid-2015.

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The net effect is that Russia’s central bank now has enough foreign exchange reserves ($630 billion as of last month) to cover 2021 spending on imports ($368 billion) plus 75% of the country’s entire stock of foreign-currency denominated debt ($353 billion as of 2021Q3).

Much of that debt isn’t even due for at least two years.

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None of this, however, is sufficient to protect Russia from the impact of sustained Western sanctions. As the Taliban has discovered, foreign reserves are useless if your counterparties freeze your accounts. Even Russia’s $132 billion in gold reserves couldn’t be used to settle payments if Western banks were banned from touching anything involving Russia.

The Russian government nevertheless feels that it has room to act because it knows that the Europeans need them.

Europe’s Self-Inflicted Error

Shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine in early 2014, I wrote that Russia faced a long-term strategic vulnerability: Europeans had the option to squeeze Russia permanently by reducing their reliance on Russian energy exports. At the time, about 60% of Russia’s total export revenues came from sales of crude oil, refined products, and natural gas—and much of that went to Europe.

The Europeans could have built out their capacity to import liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the U.S. and other allies. Even better, the Europeans could have reduced their reliance on fossil fuels altogether by building out more alternative energy generation.

Either way, Gazprom’s network of pipelines would have been transformed from a source of leverage into an albatross. Russia could have found other customers for its gas—most obviously China—but building the necessary transportation infrastructure to compensate for the loss of the European market would take years. Russian oil could be sold elsewhere more easily, but the prices would have to be lower if European demand disappeared.

At first glance, it almost looks as if that’s what happened. Russia’s total export revenues from oil and gas fell from $350 billion/year before the first invasion of Ukraine to $231 billion in 2019. While Russians made up the difference by increasing other exports, including food, the squeeze on energy revenues is real.

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But the Russian energy export squeeze had nothing to do with European restraint.

In 2013, the countries of the European Union imported about 135 billion cubic meters of natural gas from Russia. That was equivalent to about 70% of Russia’s total gas exports and equal to 37% of the EU’s worldwide gas imports. Yet in 2019, EU countries imported 166 billion cubic meters of Russian gas—23% more than before the invasion of Ukraine. That was equivalent to 75% of Russia’s total gas exports and 38% of the EU’s worldwide gas imports in 2019.1

European demand for Russian crude oil and refined petroleum products was slightly lower in 2019 than in 2013, but this was offset by surging European demand for Russian coal, which now accounts for almost half of the EU’s coal imports. Put another way, the countries of the EU went from consuming about 62 exajoules of energy in 2013 to 61 exajoules in 2019, while Russia went from supplying 10 exajoules of that energy in 2013 to 11 exajoules in 2019. Despite a slight decline in fossil fuel demand, Russia’s share of the European energy mix rose from 16.5% to 18.5% after the invasion of Ukraine. Europe’s dependence will only increase if the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline comes onstream as planned.

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The perverse result is that Europe is at greater risk of Russian pressure than the other way around. Natural gas prices in Europe are now about 5-6 times as high as in the U.S. because Gazprom has been withholding supply and because the lack of LNG terminals has prevented ships from moving gas across the Atlantic.

And while Europeans have made some modest investments in solar and wind energy over the past decade, it hasn’t been nearly enough to make a dent in the overall energy mix, especially after factoring in the impact of the decisions to decommission existing nuclear power plants.

The Europeans seem to have—belatedly—realized the implications of all this. As EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen put it on Tuesday:

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This crisis shows that Europe is still too dependent on Russian gas. We have to diversify our supplies…We will have to massively invest in renewable energy…because this is a strategic investment in our energy independence.

I hope her words are heeded.

https://theovershoot.co/p/russia-was-prepared-to-withstand


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Interesting write up on the russia ukraine situation from last month.

It appears europe's reliance on russian oil has grown from the conflict in crimea in 2014 leading to the present. Rather than taking steps to reduce reliance on russian oil, europe has taken the opposite precedent. Making it even harder to decouple from russian oil today. The author of this piece goes on to criticize europe for not greening its economy to become less reliant on russian oil. I myself am not a fan of these bold criticisms, unless they come before hindsight being 20/20.

The charts posted detail russia's efforts to harden its economy against economic sanctions from years past, to the present. Some of us may remember reading about russian efforts to prepare for SWIFT bans a long time ago. Russia never considered the possibility of peace in ukraine and definitely spent the past 10+ years preparing for an eventual war. There is a question of why the rest of the world was not preparing. Russia appears to have caught everyone asleep and unprepared.





Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 30, 2022, 07:16:32 AM
For me, everything is clear. Europe and America are accustomed to considering themselves the leading countries that can very easily manipulate all other countries. But the pressure on Russia did not begin even in 2014; hatred for Russians is born deep in history. But as the Russians say: "everything that does not kill us makes us stronger" Therefore, the Russian government, feeling another negative influence, as well as a dictatorship from the West, has always understood that it is necessary to prepare for the fact that sooner or later, this abscess of hatred will breakthrough. And as an example of today's events, the Russians were right.
They are ready for all sanctions, as they probably worked out all the situations that could happen in the future. But all other countries, mistakenly taking on the role of head of the world, did not take any action, always thinking that power and strength would always be theirs. But now everyone understands that this Russia is not so weak, for which it was taken earlier.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: _act_ on March 30, 2022, 07:26:43 AM
Who funded Russia? Are they not the Wests? After Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, the Wests are still buying oils and fossil fuels from Russia. They showed they depended on Russia when there are many available alternatives. West can be said to be the cause of the war. I expect all imports from Russia into Western nations should have ceased since many years ago. Then, Russia would have not have such power and weaponry they have today.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: paxmao on March 30, 2022, 10:19:52 AM
To be honest, I thought long time ago that Germany somehow was not doing the right thing linking so much with Putin's Russia. They saw a market from which both nations could profit - which was right - an a supplier that had plenty of raw materials for the always hungry German industry. I was convinced that they were seeing something I did not or had some short of leverage that I was not aware of. But it just turned out to be that they actually expected Putin to act rationally. Ah... Germans... always so logical that they do not seem to understand the Tzar's way.

Anyway, we are where we are and ready or not, EU and US are taking a reasonably strong stance and I really hope everyone has learned the lesson about diversification of critical supplies. Foot the bill, go on to other restaurants.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: zasad@ on March 30, 2022, 04:25:20 PM
US national debt
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
America built the most powerful economy in the world because it bought resources and the best specialists in the world with printed dollars.
For many years, Russia was a colony that sold its resources cheaply, and now these sanctions hit the European economy even more painfully.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Fortify on March 30, 2022, 06:19:26 PM
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It has been eight years since Russia last invaded Ukraine. What has changed, and what has not?

Russian exports of oil and natural gas are an essential source of hard currency that helps cover the cost of importing manufactured goods. Russia’s oil, gas, and coal exports are also an essential source of energy for European consumers and businesses, without which they couldn’t generate electricity, fuel their vehicles, or heat their homes and offices.

This entanglement limits the West’s ability to penalize Russian aggression financially. Yes, cutting Russia off from the global financial system would devastate the Russian economy and impose severe hardship on the Russian civilian population, but it would also force Europeans to slash their energy consumption.

Milder sanctions could protect Europe’s access to oil, coal, and gas, but their impact on the Russian government’s behavior would be commensurately smaller. The Putin regime has spent years acclimating Russians to material deprivation and it has also built up substantial financial buffers. Not for the first time, conservative macroeconomic and regulatory policies have shielded a revisionist regime from international pressure.

There was nothing that Europeans could have done about the Russian government’s decision to impose severe costs on its civilian population for the sake of maintaining its own flexibility. But Europeans can and should be blamed for becoming even more reliant on Russian fossil fuel exports since the 2014 invasion of Ukraine. They wasted nearly a decade when they could have been greening their economies and also increasing the security of their own neighborhood. Ukrainians—and others—will now have to live with the consequences.


There is some very confused and wishful thinking by the original poster, kinda losing respect when posting a garbage clickbait title like that. It has finally come to light that you're just a brainless shill for Putin. You conveniently pick out elements that support your theory while totally ignoring how devastated the Russian economy is looking like in reality. Putin thought the west was going to put out a whimper, but he was shocked by the deafening roar and will have stunted the Russian economy for decades to come. His legacy is now as a military joke, when he could have simply kept the pressure on and not shown the utter incompetence of Russian tactics. He has spent decades projecting an illusion that Russia is to be feared, however it has barely made any progress in Ukraine - it would get annihilated by NATO if it ever tried to invade anywhere else in Europe. Even funnier is half of the war chest you claim is a safety net is now frozen and beyond the reach of the Russian government, hopefully to be seized and given to Ukraine for rebuilding after this shameful war.

May Russia, this supposed "Super Power" continue getting whooped by Ukraine. Slava Ukraini.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on March 30, 2022, 06:42:41 PM
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Interesting write up on the russia ukraine situation from last month.

It appears europe's reliance on russian oil has grown from the conflict in crimea in 2014 leading to the present. Rather than taking steps to reduce reliance on russian oil, europe has taken the opposite precedent. Making it even harder to decouple from russian oil today. The author of this piece goes on to criticize europe for not greening its economy to become less reliant on russian oil. I myself am not a fan of these bold criticisms, unless they come before hindsight being 20/20.

The charts posted detail russia's efforts to harden its economy against economic sanctions from years past, to the present. Some of us may remember reading about russian efforts to prepare for SWIFT bans a long time ago. Russia never considered the possibility of peace in ukraine and definitely spent the past 10+ years preparing for an eventual war. There is a question of why the rest of the world was not preparing. Russia appears to have caught everyone asleep and unprepared.

Thanks for the analysis, really interesting material.

I'll add a bit about the issue of "growing pressure on the EU through oil and gas prices". Here everything is simple and everything is complicated. If you did not know, then Russia, since the 1990s, has "invested" huge amounts of money in the political elites of Europe and then the EU. Many politicians of the top composition, and even entire parties, in fact, carried out the orders of the Kremlin, beat the centers of influence and lobbying for the interests of the Kremlin politicians. Take Germany as an example, which in public is the center of democracies and the rule of law, and on the other hand, the obedient slave of the Kremlin's gas and oil traders. Gerhard Schroeder was bought long ago and of high quality, and for the last decades he has been sitting comfortably receiving millions of euros a month for what he did for Moscow in his time. Frau Merkel, if not for the war with Ukraine, most likely would have moved to a warm office in Moscow, in one of the structures of Gazprom. All their actions were aimed at solving the problems of the Kremlin, under the guise of "Germany's independent policy." The same politicians - there are prostitutes in other EU countries, in sufficient numbers. And so now, the energy market of Central Europe, "unexpectedly" turned out to be highly dependent on Russian supplies. Although everyone perfectly understood that such a monopolization is a lever of political, military and financial influence or even terror, which has already been proven more than once by Russia itself. And now some politicians continue to play the "oh, we can't give up Russian gas" game.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Hydrogen on March 30, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
He has spent decades projecting an illusion that Russia is to be feared, however it has barely made any progress in Ukraine - it would get annihilated by NATO if it ever tried to invade anywhere else in Europe.



I'm not a Putin supporter.

My goal is to be as accurate as possible about the situation in ukraine. As accurate information is important to understand the nature of reality.

What stands out the most about russia's invasion of ukraine, is its efforts to conduct the operation on a shoestring budget. Russia primarily used conscripts who are paid a reduced wage, in contrast to professional soldiers. Russia avoided using air support to eliminate higher costs associated with jet fighters and smart bomb ordnance. From the beginning, it seems russia prioritized cost savings to wage a war that would put as little strain on its economy as possible.

Russia was definitely hit hard by sanctions and other financial measures taken against them. But looking at their approach, they were preparing for this from the start of the war.

It may also be fair to say that should russia manage to solve enough of its economic troubles, it will return once again to its invasion.

Most sources I have seen credit russia with having the #2 military in the world. I wonder if they are underrated.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: paxmao on March 31, 2022, 10:14:01 AM
He has spent decades projecting an illusion that Russia is to be feared, however it has barely made any progress in Ukraine - it would get annihilated by NATO if it ever tried to invade anywhere else in Europe.



I'm not a Putin supporter.

My goal is to be as accurate as possible about the situation in ukraine. As accurate information is important to understand the nature of reality.

What stands out the most about russia's invasion of ukraine, is its efforts to conduct the operation on a shoestring budget. Russia primarily used conscripts who are paid a reduced wage, in contrast to professional soldiers. Russia avoided using air support to eliminate higher costs associated with jet fighters and smart bomb ordnance. From the beginning, it seems russia prioritized cost savings to wage a war that would put as little strain on its economy as possible.

Russia was definitely hit hard by sanctions and other financial measures taken against them. But looking at their approach, they were preparing for this from the start of the war.

It may also be fair to say that should russia manage to solve enough of its economic troubles, it will return once again to its invasion.

Most sources I have seen credit russia with having the #2 military in the world. I wonder if they are underrated.

I do not think Hydrogen is a Putin supporter. He is just putting forward some arguments and figures and it is good to think what and how Putin's entourage sees the situation because, while we must keep hopes and spirit high, it is also necessary to understand the economic reality and how to take advantage of opportunities and mitigate the risks.

There needs to be high morale and determination as  well as strategic analytic thinking.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: zasad@ on March 31, 2022, 01:46:37 PM
A new Indo-Russian transaction platform may be up this week
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/a-new-indo-russian-transaction-platform-may-be-up-this-week/articleshow/90551703.cms
"Russia's state-owned development bank VEB and the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) have likely finalized an alternative transaction platform to facilitate bilateral trade after Western sanctions firewalled Moscow's access to the globally used Swift banking platform, two people familiar with the matter told ET."


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: hatshepsut93 on March 31, 2022, 02:01:12 PM
The US and Eastern Europe has been criticizing the growing dependence on Russian fossil fuels for a long time. But Western Europe wanted to reduce American influence, and they believed that they can contain Russian aggression by being friendly. They miscalculated heavily, because Putin viewed friendliness as softness and invitation for more aggression.

I wouldn't say that Russia was fully prepared for sanctions. A significant part of their 600 billion reserves got frozen, because it was held in the west. Russia heavily relies on imported components for manufacturing nearly anything, so their military-industrial complex got hit very hard with sanctions.

Also, the full effect of sanctions will become clear in 1-2 years. But some of the Russian top officials already admitted that they didn't expect sanctions to be this harsh.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 31, 2022, 04:03:17 PM
Every governments just focused on their temporary goals and spend more time on how to keep their place in the next election meanwhile Putin had some long term goals and still doing it in the more effective ways that is why western countries still dependent on the Russia's oil while they may brought some alternative to that but now they will prepare for it but again it will take a decade until that Russia has the power.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: darkangel11 on March 31, 2022, 05:56:10 PM
The EU has been living in their own bubble for some time now. They had it nice and cozy with Russian gas, oil and coal and did not care that one day they could raise prices or issue new demands. When you rely on a country this much you can expect them to become abusive at some point. Countries are like people because they are made of people. When you start borrowing stuff from your neighbor at some point he'll want something in return or demand favors for his help. It's the same with countries, there comes a time when they're in need and want your help combating an enemy or something else like some of your resources or technology in return. Russia was gearing up for an attack and you can see it on these statistics posted by OP how much they sped up their accumulation since 2018. The EU had years to realize that but they failed.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Rruchi man on March 31, 2022, 10:49:49 PM
Russia was gearing up for an attack and you can see it on these statistics posted by OP how much they sped up their accumulation since 2018. The EU had years to realize that but they failed.

Since the cold war, Russia's relationship with the west has always been delicate so much that i think they knew that a time may come when they may have to indulge in a show of strength with the West, so they have had to be prepared, and made themselves important to the power sector. Putin put Russia in a position where they almost seem indispensable, like they hold the world's power sector by the balls. They are almost too important now, sanctions cannot be fully implemented for the now, alternatives to power from Russia has to be made first for the effects of the sanctions to be swift.

Someone who plans to start a battle with someone prepares better than the person that the problems meet unprepared and unexpectedly.

 


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: romero121 on March 31, 2022, 11:22:26 PM
A new Indo-Russian transaction platform may be up this week
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/a-new-indo-russian-transaction-platform-may-be-up-this-week/articleshow/90551703.cms
"Russia's state-owned development bank VEB and the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) have likely finalized an alternative transaction platform to facilitate bilateral trade after Western sanctions firewalled Moscow's access to the globally used Swift banking platform, two people familiar with the matter told ET."
Possibly this will encourage more trade partnership to happen. This way more investments will also move into Russia from India than moving towards USA. Maybe Russia can practice similar approach with other countries too, which will devalue the price of USD. With this both the countries will be profit than using USD.

Russia have been trying to come out of the sanctions through his brave ideas, but this is just for now. In the long term surely they'll be in need of the swift system. On the other side west isn't able to handle the situation, so it hasn't revealed any statement. Some countries have opposed the pay in Rubles and Russia is with a never mind approach.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: cabron on March 31, 2022, 11:46:14 PM
A new Indo-Russian transaction platform may be up this week
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/a-new-indo-russian-transaction-platform-may-be-up-this-week/articleshow/90551703.cms
"Russia's state-owned development bank VEB and the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) have likely finalized an alternative transaction platform to facilitate bilateral trade after Western sanctions firewalled Moscow's access to the globally used Swift banking platform, two people familiar with the matter told ET."
Possibly this will encourage more trade partnership to happen. This way more investments will also move into Russia from India than moving towards USA. Maybe Russia can practice similar approach with other countries too, which will devalue the price of USD. With this both the countries will be profit than using USD.

Russia have been trying to come out of the sanctions through his brave ideas, but this is just for now. In the long term surely they'll be in need of the swift system. On the other side west isn't able to handle the situation, so it hasn't revealed any statement. Some countries have opposed the pay in Rubles and Russia is with a never mind approach.

They are not fully prepared of course the sanctions against Russia had made the citizens poorer but because of the gas that Russia has, they found ways to survive all these. They are gaining friends in this battle actually, they only need India and China for it. The population of these two country could help thier economy withstand. China and India somehow resolved their territorial dispute on borders to make deals. There is a shift in geopolitics in this area. And there are more going along with Russia like Turkey and Pakistan.

While there may be countries opposed to paying in rubles, they may have to endure just like a sacntion. I think Russia will get more countries on thier site by making the ruble only the accepted currency.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 01, 2022, 01:28:45 PM
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They are not fully prepared of course the sanctions against Russia had made the citizens poorer but because of the gas that Russia has, they found ways to survive all these. They are gaining friends in this battle actually, they only need India and China for it. The population of these two country could help thier economy withstand. China and India somehow resolved their territorial dispute on borders to make deals. There is a shift in geopolitics in this area. And there are more going along with Russia like Turkey and Pakistan.

While there may be countries opposed to paying in rubles, they may have to endure just like a sacntion. I think Russia will get more countries on thier site by making the ruble only the accepted currency.

Do you know what is wrong with your position? You mistakenly laid the argument that China and India are friends of Russia. Not really. Russia for both countries is just a source of cheap raw materials. Both China and India are now buying Russian hydrocarbons at a huge discount. The reason is by no means in friendly manifestations, but in the fact that the Russian economy cannot live without CURRENCY receipts. I singled out the word CURRENCY for a reason. Putin tried once again to set an ultimatum for the EU - to pay for gas and oil in rubles, in order to create an artificial rise in the exchange rate and increase foreign exchange earnings. He was once again, as expected, sent to hell :) Now he is trying, like, to sell to friends, like in a friendly way, gas and oil with a mega discount in order to get at least something. Yes, China and India will now buy a huge amount of hydrocarbons at a bargain price. So what ? This globally will not save Russia. It won't lessen the impact of the sanctions, It's just a little "support for the dying in this world."


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: fiulpro on April 01, 2022, 02:46:02 PM
For me, everything is clear. Europe and America are accustomed to considering themselves the leading countries that can very easily manipulate all other countries. But the pressure on Russia did not begin even in 2014; hatred for Russians is born deep in history. But as the Russians say: "everything that does not kill us makes us stronger" Therefore, the Russian government, feeling another negative influence, as well as a dictatorship from the West, has always understood that it is necessary to prepare for the fact that sooner or later, this abscess of hatred will breakthrough. And as an example of today's events, the Russians were right.
They are ready for all sanctions, as they probably worked out all the situations that could happen in the future. But all other countries, mistakenly taking on the role of head of the world, did not take any action, always thinking that power and strength would always be theirs. But now everyone understands that this Russia is not so weak, for which it was taken earlier.

What do you mean ?
You clearly cannot start a war and send threats to the whole world regarding a nuclear weapon usage if they do not comply and push them in a corner, NO MATTER WHAT.

NOTHING GIVES THEM ANY RIGHT TO PROVE THEIR POWER IN THIS WAY. If they wanted to show their power then they could have gone through other way, by helping other countries, by increasing their country's overall power in a positive way, making good oil deals and making sure they do this in peace and harmony.

This could very easily surge in a world war 3 if they don't stop and at the same time one needs to understand the fact that :

They are already loosing no matter what ! They have lost their respect, their friends, their businesses and they would loose more if they don't stop.

This is a government, not a dictatorship, last time I checked it wasn't named North Korea, was it. I do think that you have to understand that This threatens the whole world, everything, everyone.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: oHnK on April 01, 2022, 03:05:37 PM
What should we do if this war was happening until now. The effect of this war get massive to every country such as in Indonesia. Since the war has been started, the oil price become too expensive and rare even the diesel oil is difficult to be found. Not only Ukraine but also most of country feel worry with the world sustainability. Not only European make a wrong decision in manage their needs, but also another country which let this war happen.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: gantez on April 01, 2022, 05:24:01 PM
The war has gone into it second month and yet no solution is coming to resolve the war for peace and stability to return into the area and production of Oil and gas to be restored. Prices are going high and people are suffering. They are discussing to evaquate civilians and that suppose to mean more fight ? This is alarming, refugees are created and destabilizing the other countries that are neighbours. Russia is showing EU that it is more prepared for the war but this has to stop.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Ultegra134 on April 01, 2022, 08:45:46 PM
The US and Eastern Europe has been criticizing the growing dependence on Russian fossil fuels for a long time. But Western Europe wanted to reduce American influence, and they believed that they can contain Russian aggression by being friendly. They miscalculated heavily, because Putin viewed friendliness as softness and invitation for more aggression.

I wouldn't say that Russia was fully prepared for sanctions. A significant part of their 600 billion reserves got frozen, because it was held in the west. Russia heavily relies on imported components for manufacturing nearly anything, so their military-industrial complex got hit very hard with sanctions.

Also, the full effect of sanctions will become clear in 1-2 years. But some of the Russian top officials already admitted that they didn't expect sanctions to be this harsh.
The point is that these sanctions are hurting the West too, I'm not sure if we could possibly compare which side had the largest losses, however, I could easily name a couple. Firstly, Europe will lose a significant amount of Russian tourists, here in Greece we had at least 250,000 cancellations, with more to come in the next upcoming months.

Moreover, the rising fueling costs are creating a vicious cycle of increased prices, in all kind of goods, which we'll be facing for the upcoming future.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: bocyaj on April 01, 2022, 09:12:54 PM
The Russia was the powerful country as like America, China. So other country was not starting war against this two. All the country including America, they just doing financial support to the war for Ukraine. But still Russia moving up with the strategies. And the people of many developing country was suffering a lot now.The reason for this was very simple.The oil price was keep on increasing in most developing countries


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Cookdata on April 01, 2022, 09:51:08 PM
Every governments just focused on their temporary goals and spend more time on how to keep their place in the next election meanwhile Putin had some long term goals and still doing it in the more effective ways that is why western countries still dependent on the Russia's oil while they may brought some alternative to that but now they will prepare for it but again it will take a decade until that Russia has the power.

You know there is a saying that when a man is over fed a child, there is high tendency they may misbehave at some point if you don't caution them. That's exactly the case of Russia and the rest of the world. He is not even afraid been involved in a war by putting innocent military who left children and wife's at home.
I really want to see him live the office by 2024 but seeing what he has started, he would want to stay another 6 years to continue his tyranny life and slavery. War ended before I was born, let's protect the Youngs ones the way we were shielded by our fathers.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Untomabur on April 01, 2022, 10:38:46 PM
The Russia was the powerful country as like America, China. So other country was not starting war against this two. All the country including America, they just doing financial support to the war for Ukraine. But still Russia moving up with the strategies. And the people of many developing country was suffering a lot now.The reason for this was very simple.The oil price was keep on increasing in most developing countries
In this war, Russia and Ukraine were directly involved, but many people did not realize that behind the back there were several countries that were indirectly involved, namely those you have mentioned, both the United States and China.
indeed this war has an impact on many things, one of which is the most pronounced is the price of oil,
oil prices are really crazy and hope it can go down soon


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Gyfts on April 02, 2022, 05:38:30 AM
US national debt
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
America built the most powerful economy in the world because it bought resources and the best specialists in the world with printed dollars.
For many years, Russia was a colony that sold its resources cheaply, and now these sanctions hit the European economy even more painfully.


Not more painfully, might be equal at best. You under estimate how bad the Russian economy is doing, and they were already on track to default on any loans that were outstanding. The sanctions really just weaken USD as a global currency reserve, but that's been discussed a lot. Frankly, even without war the inflation rate would have caused it to sink so the sanctions could've been independent of it's decline.

Europe's issue is with their energy policy, and the radicals there would rather implement green technology (largely inefficient) instead of looking towards other sources. Sanction Russian energy, where else do they get heat for their homes?


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 02, 2022, 11:27:22 AM
The Russia was the powerful country as like America, China. So other country was not starting war against this two. All the country including America, they just doing financial support to the war for Ukraine. But still Russia moving up with the strategies. And the people of many developing country was suffering a lot now.The reason for this was very simple.The oil price was keep on increasing in most developing countries
In this war, Russia and Ukraine were directly involved, but many people did not realize that behind the back there were several countries that were indirectly involved, namely those you have mentioned, both the United States and China.
indeed this war has an impact on many things, one of which is the most pronounced is the price of oil,
oil prices are really crazy and hope it can go down soon

I'm ready to disappoint you .. China, the USA, it's all "far-fetched", or is the result of what started not a month ago. I am a citizen of Ukraine, and for many years, since 2000, I worked in a company whose office was in Donetsk. So I inform you - since 2000 (and possibly earlier), Russia has been actively promoting the idea of ​​a "Russian world" in Ukraine, especially in regions where most of the population was once resettled from the RSFSR on the territory of Ukraine, where before that, Soviet power destroyed the local population. Yes, you guessed it - these are today's territories where the virtual states of the DPR / LPR have been created. I am sure that the same work was carried out in Belarus, and possibly in other countries that were once part of the USSR. And all why? Because the insane Kremlin dwarf suddenly decided that he is the messiah, and must collect back all "the republics of the USSR and recreate it anew!". Those. revive the corpse, and create, from the forcibly assembled "republics" of a sort of Frankenstein monster. You laugh in vain! There was no USA and China, there was and is a crazy aging under-alpha male, with complexes not even of Napoleon, but of God! And all these "official" reasons for starting a new round of war against Ukraine, like joining NATO or threatening Russia, are bluff and fakes!



Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: bitgolden on April 02, 2022, 04:37:47 PM
I'm ready to disappoint you .. China, the USA, it's all "far-fetched", or is the result of what started not a month ago. I am a citizen of Ukraine, and for many years, since 2000, I worked in a company whose office was in Donetsk. So I inform you - since 2000 (and possibly earlier), Russia has been actively promoting the idea of ​​a "Russian world" in Ukraine, especially in regions where most of the population was once resettled from the RSFSR on the territory of Ukraine, where before that, Soviet power destroyed the local population. Yes, you guessed it - these are today's territories where the virtual states of the DPR / LPR have been created. I am sure that the same work was carried out in Belarus, and possibly in other countries that were once part of the USSR.
I do not know what he meant, but I can tell you that there is a "hidden" involvement as in when the west sanctions Russia because of what they did, and china helping Russia economically. So, it is not like other nations caused the war (or maybe they did, I wouldn't know) but more mainly it is about how nations took sides when this war started.

We are all standing with you, we believe you are the innocent party and Russia (well mainly Putin) needs to be though a lesson and I am sure that you will win this one, I really pray to god every day that you guys come out safe and as little death as possible. This means I support you, this also means my nation does as well, and few other nations, that is what people mean when indirect involvement.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Haunebu on April 02, 2022, 05:31:16 PM
The pandemic is one of the primary reasons why most people didn't expect Russia to launch this war against Ukraine in my opinion. Their economy got screwed too just like the rest of the world which is why Putin doing this when their economy is in recovery mode is bizarre.

All blame should only be directed at pathetic Putin instead of pointing fingers at each other which is exactly what he wants.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: kryptqnick on April 02, 2022, 06:12:48 PM
Op's right that Russians are quite ready for material deprivation, so they can keep surviving and even possibly supporting the war while being under sanctions. However, that doesn't apply to all of them, as quite a few, who live in big cities, are accustomed to using smartphones and PCs, buying good Western clothes, occasionally travelling abroad etc., and they'll probably become increasingly more unhappy. As for European countries, it's unfortunately true that they made themselves more dependent on Russia instead of doing the opposite. But Lithuania today demonstrated very bravely that it's abandoning Russian gas, even though it highly depends on it. If more EU countries demonstrate such strength, this can truly cripple the Russian economy, not really leaving money for the costly war. It's a risk, it's a gamble, but the EU won't freeze to death, and there's half a year ahead to figure out potential heating solutions, as well as bring about the end of the war which can be followed, after Russia fully withdraws troops and agrees to pay heavy reparations, by lifting embargoes.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Lizzylove1 on April 02, 2022, 08:51:39 PM
I don't think Europe actually envisage this war and the dimension it's taking, otherwise they would have longed source for alternative energy from Russia. Putin knew directly fighting him would mean hell, he knew it would be economic war, so he was better prepared.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 03, 2022, 05:09:20 PM
I'm ready to disappoint you .. China, the USA, it's all "far-fetched", or is the result of what started not a month ago. I am a citizen of Ukraine, and for many years, since 2000, I worked in a company whose office was in Donetsk. So I inform you - since 2000 (and possibly earlier), Russia has been actively promoting the idea of ​​a "Russian world" in Ukraine, especially in regions where most of the population was once resettled from the RSFSR on the territory of Ukraine, where before that, Soviet power destroyed the local population. Yes, you guessed it - these are today's territories where the virtual states of the DPR / LPR have been created. I am sure that the same work was carried out in Belarus, and possibly in other countries that were once part of the USSR.
I do not know what he meant, but I can tell you that there is a "hidden" involvement as in when the west sanctions Russia because of what they did, and china helping Russia economically. So, it is not like other nations caused the war (or maybe they did, I wouldn't know) but more mainly it is about how nations took sides when this war started.

We are all standing with you, we believe you are the innocent party and Russia (well mainly Putin) needs to be though a lesson and I am sure that you will win this one, I really pray to god every day that you guys come out safe and as little death as possible. This means I support you, this also means my nation does as well, and few other nations, that is what people mean when indirect involvement.

First of all, thank you so much for your words of support! For us it is very important and expensive !!!
Well, everything else - yes, I agree that the world is now much more multipolar than it was before. In addition, it seems to me that the world has lost, or greatly reduced moral and ethical standards. Now any idiot who owns nuclear weapons can blackmail and demand from the whole world whatever he wants. Others can support criminal regimes under the guise of "their interests". You can list many more "oddities of the modern world" ... And it seems to me that if the situation is not changed, there will be no change of leaders, there will be a total destruction of the world as such.
Now we stood, or are still standing, on the threshold of a great world war. So far, Ukraine is holding back the crazy killer from the borders of the EU, paying for it all with tens of thousands of lives of its citizens. I really believe that we will be able to stop this horde and win the war. But I would really like for all this to become a lesson for the rest of the world, so that countries, rulers, peoples draw the appropriate conclusions and change.
I wish you all peace, prosperity and tranquility!


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: yawars20 on April 03, 2022, 06:53:08 PM
From the last cold war Russia was always ready to take aggressive actions and Ukraine was one f victims to Russian aggression.
Now from last few months the aggression toward Ukraine from Russian forces now show clear perspective of  Russia.
Its not first time when a superior country invade there neighbor country over territory issue or any other in past we say many other countries do the same.
If westerns country try to impose any sanctions to Russia over this, they also have to take action against other countries doing the same. I can't understand there hypocrisy level.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on April 03, 2022, 07:45:04 PM
The author of this piece goes on to criticize europe for not greening its economy to become less reliant on russian oil. I myself am not a fan of these bold criticisms, unless they come before hindsight being 20/20.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and ask this: Could you think of a better time to criticize Europe for not lessening its dependence on Russian oil?  Had the author written that prior to the current invasion (and I'm not even sure he didn't), what impact do you suppose it would have had?  None as far as I would predict, because as you pointed out, hindsight is indeed 20/20--and in addition to that, the criticism would probably just come off as inflammatory rhetoric against Russia.

The way I see it is that it's the big global oil companies that are standing in the way of greener energy consumption, and until their stranglehold over car manufacturers and every other industry that currently relies on oil and oil byproducts is loosened, we're never going to see cities powered by solar energy and roads filled with nothing but electric cars.  And none of that is Russia's fault alone, of course.  There's a hell of a lot of blame to go around, and you don't even have to look that far to find the culprits.



Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: gantez on April 03, 2022, 10:43:06 PM
I don't think Europe actually envisage this war and the dimension it's taking, otherwise they would have longed source for alternative energy from Russia. Putin knew directly fighting him would mean hell, he knew it would be economic war, so he was better prepared.

Putin is only priding himself on the Oil and gas that he is supplying to Europe and what happens if at the time of this heat of war, they get another supplier, Russia will be subjected to more sanctions and the experience wi!l be very bad for the Russian economy and people. Europe actually didn't see that it will get into this and that Russia won't have to cut off supply from them.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: coupable on April 03, 2022, 10:54:23 PM
The war has gone into it second month and yet no solution is coming to resolve the war for peace and stability to return into the area and production of Oil and gas to be restored. Prices are going high and people are suffering. They are discussing to evaquate civilians and that suppose to mean more fight ? This is alarming, refugees are created and destabilizing the other countries that are neighbours. Russia is showing EU that it is more prepared for the war but this has to stop.

This explains that the war from the beginning was not of a military nature and that Russia has been preparing for almost the past decade to confront the West in an attempt to expand its influence, similar to what the Soviet Union was in the past.
Economic war in the form of mutual sanctions directly affects all economies of the world, which have become closely related to each other. Note that the most profited country in the actual economic situation is China by its power to not enforce sanctions against Russia as the world can't apply other sanctions to China due to their vital needs from China .


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Scripture on April 03, 2022, 11:17:08 PM
I don't think Europe actually envisage this war and the dimension it's taking, otherwise they would have longed source for alternative energy from Russia. Putin knew directly fighting him would mean hell, he knew it would be economic war, so he was better prepared.

Putin is only priding himself on the Oil and gas that he is supplying to Europe and what happens if at the time of this heat of war, they get another supplier, Russia will be subjected to more sanctions and the experience wi!l be very bad for the Russian economy and people. Europe actually didn't see that it will get into this and that Russia won't have to cut off supply from them.
Things are unpredictable with them, but now that Russia is backing out in some parts of Ukraine, I believe the sanctions can be lessen now and reconciliation are more possible to happen. Russia have a huge natural sources that EU countries need, but of course other supplies can still be get from other country its just that they have to adjust for the cost of it and deal with it. This is the consequences of many greedy countries, at the expense of ordinary people.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: philipma1957 on April 03, 2022, 11:25:18 PM
and the winner will be China 🇨🇳

If Putin survives he will be China’s big bitch and North Korea 🇰🇵 will remain China’s little bitch.

I give  a China Russia North Korea axis of power about a 90% shot of happening.

Putting pressure on Japan,South Korea and Taiwan



Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Darker45 on April 04, 2022, 02:15:06 AM
I agree that the western countries and their allies were caught unprepared. And it's primarily because they probably thought it was unimaginable for Russia to invade Ukraine. To take a contested territory would be possible but to invade the entire country was perhaps out of their minds. This is the modern era, after all. They probably failed in their assessment of Putin. They simply underestimated his madness.

On Russia's side, however, I also don't think they were prepared. They definitely underestimated Ukraine and its defense capabilities. They overestimated their troops' capabilities. They underestimated the allies' reaction. If they were preparing for this war for the last decade or so, they should have pulled out their huge sums of money from European banks prior to the attack. They should already have detached themselves from SWIFT. They should have established much stronger markets outside the enemies' territories. Their oligarchs should have already been warned earlier of the possible sanctions.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on April 04, 2022, 09:20:10 AM
I agree that the western countries and their allies were caught unprepared. And it's primarily because they probably thought it was unimaginable for Russia to invade Ukraine. To take a contested territory would be possible but to invade the entire country was perhaps out of their minds. This is the modern era, after all. They probably failed in their assessment of Putin. They simply underestimated his madness.

On Russia's side, however, I also don't think they were prepared. They definitely underestimated Ukraine and its defense capabilities. They overestimated their troops' capabilities. They underestimated the allies' reaction. If they were preparing for this war for the last decade or so, they should have pulled out their huge sums of money from European banks prior to the attack. They should already have detached themselves from SWIFT. They should have established much stronger markets outside the enemies' territories. Their oligarchs should have already been warned earlier of the possible sanctions.

Russia has lost its adviser to you. Only you could tell her what she should have done and what she shouldn't have done. And Putin, whom you think is crazy, has put Europe in an uncomfortable position today. Although grain supplies will also run out soon, which will make you think a little differently since I think that the lack of gas does not reflect on you.
Did you hear Biden let it slip? Not? He advised everyone not to worry, that any military situation is always in America's interest. But what about Europe, everyone will ask? Biden doesn't care. America supports war always only in its own interests.
Therefore, one should not consider people who lead countries as idiots, everything was calculated long ago, since these disagreements were not born a month ago. Russia knew what to expect and from whom, and as you can see, it was ready for anything.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Darker45 on April 04, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
I agree that the western countries and their allies were caught unprepared. And it's primarily because they probably thought it was unimaginable for Russia to invade Ukraine. To take a contested territory would be possible but to invade the entire country was perhaps out of their minds. This is the modern era, after all. They probably failed in their assessment of Putin. They simply underestimated his madness.

On Russia's side, however, I also don't think they were prepared. They definitely underestimated Ukraine and its defense capabilities. They overestimated their troops' capabilities. They underestimated the allies' reaction. If they were preparing for this war for the last decade or so, they should have pulled out their huge sums of money from European banks prior to the attack. They should already have detached themselves from SWIFT. They should have established much stronger markets outside the enemies' territories. Their oligarchs should have already been warned earlier of the possible sanctions.

Russia has lost its adviser to you. Only you could tell her what she should have done and what she shouldn't have done. And Putin, whom you think is crazy, has put Europe in an uncomfortable position today. Although grain supplies will also run out soon, which will make you think a little differently since I think that the lack of gas does not reflect on you.
Did you hear Biden let it slip? Not? He advised everyone not to worry, that any military situation is always in America's interest. But what about Europe, everyone will ask? Biden doesn't care. America supports war always only in its own interests.
Therefore, one should not consider people who lead countries as idiots, everything was calculated long ago, since these disagreements were not born a month ago. Russia knew what to expect and from whom, and as you can see, it was ready for anything.

Sanctions can only do so much. We all know that. I doubt it can fully convert a country. Heavily-sanctioned countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, and others are still standing on their feet. Russia is apparently richer than these countries so we won't be expecting it to bow down either. However, this doesn't mean that they're ready or have prepared for it. It's just that crazy leaders like Kim Jong Un and Putin couldn't care less about sanctions. These sanctions are not taking any luxury or power from them. Neither Kim nor Maduro nor Putin is deprived of a sumptuous meal because of their madness. But their people are.

More than a month since the invasion, instead of successfully taking over Ukraine, setbacks are now seen. I am certain that even with another month of extension in this foolishness, Russia will not be able to take Ukraine despite all the propaganda that they have calculated and are ready for everything. And I am very much willing to put my money where my mouth is. I am willing to bet for this. Are you?


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on April 04, 2022, 02:11:00 PM
. And I am very much willing to put my money where my mouth is. I am willing to bet for this. Are you?

I will find where to spend my money, and if you are such a "patriot" who watches fake news, donate to someone who tries so hard to make you believe in them. I say again, time will tell who is right and where, it’s not worth setting deadlines, but these posts will remain, and you have the right to find them and then think how stupid you were.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 04, 2022, 03:02:34 PM
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Sanctions can only do so much. We all know that. I doubt it can fully convert a country. Heavily-sanctioned countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, and others are still standing on their feet. Russia is apparently richer than these countries so we won't be expecting it to bow down either. However, this doesn't mean that they're ready or have prepared for it. It's just that crazy leaders like Kim Jong Un and Putin couldn't care less about sanctions. These sanctions are not taking any luxury or power from them. Neither Kim nor Maduro nor Putin is deprived of a sumptuous meal because of their madness. But their people are.

More than a month since the invasion, instead of successfully taking over Ukraine, setbacks are now seen. I am certain that even with another month of extension in this foolishness, Russia will not be able to take Ukraine despite all the propaganda that they have calculated and are ready for everything. And I am very much willing to put my money where my mouth is. I am willing to bet for this. Are you?

There is a nuance that you did not take into account. North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba are small countries, countries where life is bad are a common thing. Iran cannot be called a small country, but after the overthrow of the secular government, it turned into a virtually medieval country, with a tough, totalitarian government, where a low standard of living is commonplace. This time. Two - such a number of sanctions, with such a variety as in Russia, are not and have not been in the listed countries. They also do not have the collapse of the army, and the loss of confidence in the authorities. There are many more differences. And most importantly, Russia needs to maintain a huge number of security forces, to contain internal tensions, it is necessary to support "Putin's friends" who have lost hundreds of billions of dollars, it is necessary to contain at least 100 million biomass, which, although used to living at the bottom, can start a revolution, to replace an unsuccessful king with another king. Therefore, sanctions for Russia-have a devastating effect, for the countries you listed-an uncomfortable effect.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Ozero on April 04, 2022, 04:46:43 PM
For me, everything is clear. Europe and America are accustomed to considering themselves the leading countries that can very easily manipulate all other countries. But the pressure on Russia did not begin even in 2014; hatred for Russians is born deep in history. But as the Russians say: "everything that does not kill us makes us stronger" Therefore, the Russian government, feeling another negative influence, as well as a dictatorship from the West, has always understood that it is necessary to prepare for the fact that sooner or later, this abscess of hatred will breakthrough. And as an example of today's events, the Russians were right.
They are ready for all sanctions, as they probably worked out all the situations that could happen in the future. But all other countries, mistakenly taking on the role of head of the world, did not take any action, always thinking that power and strength would always be theirs. But now everyone understands that this Russia is not so weak, for which it was taken earlier.
Putin and his entourage have always stated that they are not afraid of US and European sanctions. Russia is doing the same now, although after a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, this time the imposed sanctions became very tough. However, many, even in Russia itself, admit that Putin clearly did not expect such a one-sidedness of the world community and such harsh sanctions this time. Only a few weeks have passed and we already see that the sanctions are working and Russia is becoming a pariah country very quickly. Given that Russia is suffering a military defeat in Ukraine, it is very likely that the above proverb will work this time as well, and the current sanctions will still kill Russia as a state. This will be seen by the end of this year.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: RealMalatesta on April 04, 2022, 09:14:59 PM
There is a nuance that you did not take into account. North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba are small countries, countries where life is bad are a common thing. Iran cannot be called a small country, but after the overthrow of the secular government, it turned into a virtually medieval country, with a tough, totalitarian government, where a low standard of living is commonplace. This time. Two - such a number of sanctions, with such a variety as in Russia, are not and have not been in the listed countries. They also do not have the collapse of the army, and the loss of confidence in the authorities. There are many more differences. And most importantly, Russia needs to maintain a huge number of security forces, to contain internal tensions, it is necessary to support "Putin's friends" who have lost hundreds of billions of dollars, it is necessary to contain at least 100 million biomass, which, although used to living at the bottom, can start a revolution, to replace an unsuccessful king with another king. Therefore, sanctions for Russia-have a devastating effect, for the countries you listed-an uncomfortable effect.
Iran could have been doing better as well, and technically speaking it has been doing fine compared to places like Cuba or Venezuela, so I think your example is correct that it can't be done to bigger nations.

I have to say Russia is not even a "decent" nation, it is a huge one so trying to do it to them was a bad idea from the start and I get that, I understand that if you want to do sanctions to a huge nation, you are forgetting that the world needs a lot from that nation and this time it was energy, if you do that to any other nation, you would face some other problem but it is a problem nevertheless. That is what I really can't stress enough why the sanctions failed, because world needs energy from Russia.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Darker45 on April 05, 2022, 04:00:32 AM
. And I am very much willing to put my money where my mouth is. I am willing to bet for this. Are you?

I will find where to spend my money, and if you are such a "patriot" who watches fake news, donate to someone who tries so hard to make you believe in them. I say again, time will tell who is right and where, it’s not worth setting deadlines, but these posts will remain, and you have the right to find them and then think how stupid you were.

I was just saying it in case you are that convinced of your views.

I am not really a patriot although, of course, I love my country. But I am not a hard fan of the US and the EU and the enemies of Russia. I am just looking at things and trying to understand them as objectively as possible. And if there are fake news, I am more than sure they are more widespread in Russia than outside. At the very least, the media in the US and many parts of the world are less of a state tool for propaganda than those in Russia.

We will see in the coming weeks, but, so far, I am convinced that Russia won't be able to take Ukraine however prepared they claim to be.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Flexystar on April 05, 2022, 08:24:03 AM
Yeah, after reading this and seeing the graphs it really seems russia was planning this since very long? What if everyone today is just blind folded since the last Ukriane attack 8 years ago? Russia might have built the internal strategy right after they backed up the previous war. They might have projected the whole plot for example, how europe will react with the war breakout, how america will react which is most rival country for them or other way round.

The steadiness is due to Russia's richness in the fossil resources. They know world wants them and specifically the neighbouring European countries. Europe surely created too much dependency on the Russia and all sudden the they went rogue.

I think it is one of those strategies for war where you press the most weak point of others and then torn them inside out.



Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: justdimin on April 05, 2022, 09:46:16 PM
Yeah, after reading this and seeing the graphs it really seems russia was planning this since very long? What if everyone today is just blind folded since the last Ukriane attack 8 years ago? Russia might have built the internal strategy right after they backed up the previous war. They might have projected the whole plot for example, how europe will react with the war breakout, how america will react which is most rival country for them or other way round.

The steadiness is due to Russia's richness in the fossil resources. They know world wants them and specifically the neighbouring European countries. Europe surely created too much dependency on the Russia and all sudden the they went rogue.

I think it is one of those strategies for war where you press the most weak point of others and then torn them inside out.
This isn't something they "planned", I mean of course they probably knew what they would do "in case..." type of situation, but they lived with this idea basically. Ukraine had places where there were plenty of Russians, and places where basically Russia is loved like crazy, and they wanted to get those places. Obviously it doesn't make sense for Ukraine to give their lands to Russia, so this means both knew that they would be in a war one day or another.

This doesn't mean they knew when it would happen, but they definitely knew that one day it would happen. If you consider that as planned, then it was planned, but I would say being ready, and not planned. Planned means they aimed at doing this, being ready means they would if something happened but won't if that won't happen.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sithara007 on April 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM
This isn't something they "planned", I mean of course they probably knew what they would do "in case..." type of situation, but they lived with this idea basically. Ukraine had places where there were plenty of Russians, and places where basically Russia is loved like crazy, and they wanted to get those places. Obviously it doesn't make sense for Ukraine to give their lands to Russia, so this means both knew that they would be in a war one day or another.

This doesn't mean they knew when it would happen, but they definitely knew that one day it would happen. If you consider that as planned, then it was planned, but I would say being ready, and not planned. Planned means they aimed at doing this, being ready means they would if something happened but won't if that won't happen.

Right now the politics in Ukraine is dominated by nationalists from Western part of that country, and the Eastern Ukrainians feel alienated. And this is not a new issue. The discrimination against the Easterners started in 2004, when the US-backed coup installed Viktor Yushchenko as the president of Ukraine. If Ukraine want to survive as a country, it needs to respect the rights of it's Russian speaking population. People like Zelensky are opposed to that idea and want their views imposed across all of Ukraine. And now we are able to see the end results.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: be.open on April 06, 2022, 04:29:15 AM
That is what I really can't stress enough why the sanctions failed, because world needs energy from Russia.
The strategic mistake of the United Europe was Germany's decision to abandon nuclear energy, under pressure from environmentalists and against the backdrop of the Fukushima accident. France did not make this mistake and retained its network of nuclear power plants, but Germany is the locomotive of the European Union with a very developed energy-intensive industry, and by abandoning nuclear energy, it has made itself energetically insecure and very dependent on energy supplies from Russia. Wind turbines and solar panels are too unreliable to be seriously relied upon, they are a good additional dessert, but not a main course.

Even a complete energy embargo from the West will not force Putin to abandon his plans, because his interests in Ukraine lie predominantly not in the economic plane. At the same time, a complete energy embargo would be immediate economic suicide for the European Union.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: TheNineClub on April 06, 2022, 07:05:41 AM
The ''west'' was not preparing for this, for sure, because the threat of war on the European continent was so unimaginable (at least in this part of Europe) that they completely ignored the threat. However, it's not just the European countries ignoring it, the countries that are big importers of grain from Ukraine and Russia also were caught off guard with Yemen and Egipt being at risk the most, but also China, who will not feel the issue that much, but still had huge imports of grain from Ukraine. However, whatever preparations Russia made for imminent sanctions, that does not mean that they won't be severely affected by Europe turning away from its oil and gas exports in the near future. Especially if Russia loses the annexed Ukrainian territory that is filled with natural resources.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: btc_angela on April 06, 2022, 10:55:52 AM
The ''west'' was not preparing for this, for sure, because the threat of war on the European continent was so unimaginable (at least in this part of Europe) that they completely ignored the threat. However, it's not just the European countries ignoring it, the countries that are big importers of grain from Ukraine and Russia also were caught off guard with Yemen and Egipt being at risk the most, but also China, who will not feel the issue that much, but still had huge imports of grain from Ukraine. However, whatever preparations Russia made for imminent sanctions, that does not mean that they won't be severely affected by Europe turning away from its oil and gas exports in the near future. Especially if Russia loses the annexed Ukrainian territory that is filled with natural resources.

Possible, it could be a failure of the West, particularly the US again. Their intelligence gathering, the whole network has failed them because they think that Putin is not willing to take the risk and go to war. But we all know that Putin is good in playing around. And maybe at the background he has been targeting the war itself. Sanctions are not going to work if Russia will find a way to circumvent it. And I don't think that Russia is going to accept defeat here.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 06, 2022, 11:50:58 AM
There is a nuance that you did not take into account. North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba are small countries, countries where life is bad are a common thing. Iran cannot be called a small country, but after the overthrow of the secular government, it turned into a virtually medieval country, with a tough, totalitarian government, where a low standard of living is commonplace. This time. Two - such a number of sanctions, with such a variety as in Russia, are not and have not been in the listed countries. They also do not have the collapse of the army, and the loss of confidence in the authorities. There are many more differences. And most importantly, Russia needs to maintain a huge number of security forces, to contain internal tensions, it is necessary to support "Putin's friends" who have lost hundreds of billions of dollars, it is necessary to contain at least 100 million biomass, which, although used to living at the bottom, can start a revolution, to replace an unsuccessful king with another king. Therefore, sanctions for Russia-have a devastating effect, for the countries you listed-an uncomfortable effect.
Iran could have been doing better as well, and technically speaking it has been doing fine compared to places like Cuba or Venezuela, so I think your example is correct that it can't be done to bigger nations.

I have to say Russia is not even a "decent" nation, it is a huge one so trying to do it to them was a bad idea from the start and I get that, I understand that if you want to do sanctions to a huge nation, you are forgetting that the world needs a lot from that nation and this time it was energy, if you do that to any other nation, you would face some other problem but it is a problem nevertheless. That is what I really can't stress enough why the sanctions failed, because world needs energy from Russia.

Once again about the "huge". say - and for example the Congo - "a huge, great country"? Or, for example, Vietnam is a "huge country"? And Nigeria?
The first 2 countries - fully correspond to the "scale" of Russia in terms of population. Nigeria - exceeds 2 times Russia. Where is the greatness of Russia? In territory? I'll tell you a secret - 70% + of this territory IS NOT INVOLVED AT ALL, and ARE NOT OPENED !!! You didn't know? These territories are not suitable for life, there is nothing useful or strategically important there! So greatness is very "inflated"


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sithara007 on April 07, 2022, 02:07:04 AM
Once again about the "huge". say - and for example the Congo - "a huge, great country"? Or, for example, Vietnam is a "huge country"? And Nigeria?
The first 2 countries - fully correspond to the "scale" of Russia in terms of population. Nigeria - exceeds 2 times Russia. Where is the greatness of Russia? In territory? I'll tell you a secret - 70% + of this territory IS NOT INVOLVED AT ALL, and ARE NOT OPENED !!! You didn't know? These territories are not suitable for life, there is nothing useful or strategically important there! So greatness is very "inflated"

If population is the sole criteria, then I need to remind you that the population of UK and France amounts to less than half of that of Russia. So these countries are not "great", I guess. And while it may be true that around 70% of the area of Russia is sparsely populated, this region contains one of the highest concentrations of metals and minerals in the planet. I am talking about Nickel deposits of Norilsk, Bauxite in Baikal, diamonds in Yakutia, oil and natural gas in Yugra, Copper in Urals and gold in Amur.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: be.open on April 07, 2022, 07:12:46 AM
Where is the greatness of Russia? In territory? I'll tell you a secret - 70% + of this territory IS NOT INVOLVED AT ALL, and ARE NOT OPENED !!! You didn't know? These territories are not suitable for life, there is nothing useful or strategically important there! So greatness is very "inflated"
Russia has a huge excess of natural resources and the most combat-ready army in the world against the backdrop of food security and no problems with fresh water. It is foolish to deny or doubt the greatness of Russia. The United States is trying in every possible way to quarrel Russia with Europe in order to eliminate Europe as a competitor and to solve its internal problems at their expense. At the same time, pushing Russia into a strategic alliance with China and India, which have huge human resources and which such an alliance with Russia is also beneficial. Europe in this situation is in the unenviable role of a trophy and a victim, the influence over which is apparently shared by the United States and Russia. I think this is what Putin and Biden agreed on when they met in December 2021.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Tony116 on April 07, 2022, 08:22:27 AM
The US and Eastern Europe has been criticizing the growing dependence on Russian fossil fuels for a long time. But Western Europe wanted to reduce American influence, and they believed that they can contain Russian aggression by being friendly. They miscalculated heavily, because Putin viewed friendliness as softness and invitation for more aggression.

I wouldn't say that Russia was fully prepared for sanctions. A significant part of their 600 billion reserves got frozen, because it was held in the west. Russia heavily relies on imported components for manufacturing nearly anything, so their military-industrial complex got hit very hard with sanctions.

Also, the full effect of sanctions will become clear in 1-2 years. But some of the Russian top officials already admitted that they didn't expect sanctions to be this harsh.
Of course, sanctions will affect Russia but that does not mean they are unprepared. Sanctions to date have not only damaged Russia, but also had a strong impact on Europe and the world. Europe is having terrible days because of high energy prices and what will happen if they are not powered in the coming years.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Smartprofit on April 07, 2022, 09:12:13 AM
The US and Eastern Europe has been criticizing the growing dependence on Russian fossil fuels for a long time. But Western Europe wanted to reduce American influence, and they believed that they can contain Russian aggression by being friendly. They miscalculated heavily, because Putin viewed friendliness as softness and invitation for more aggression.

I wouldn't say that Russia was fully prepared for sanctions. A significant part of their 600 billion reserves got frozen, because it was held in the west. Russia heavily relies on imported components for manufacturing nearly anything, so their military-industrial complex got hit very hard with sanctions.

Also, the full effect of sanctions will become clear in 1-2 years. But some of the Russian top officials already admitted that they didn't expect sanctions to be this harsh.
Of course, sanctions will affect Russia but that does not mean they are unprepared. Sanctions to date have not only damaged Russia, but also had a strong impact on Europe and the world. Europe is having terrible days because of high energy prices and what will happen if they are not powered in the coming years.

Yes, there is an opinion that only an oil embargo can destroy the Russian economy.  It is from the sale of oil that Russia receives the main revenues to the state budget.

Oil prices do not depend on the natural season (winter or summer).  Oil is widely used for the manufacture of gasoline, as well as in the petrochemical industry. 

Are Western countries ready to impose an oil embargo? 

I don't have an answer to this question.  The United States declares its principled position to deprive the Russian Federation of all its oil and gas revenues.  However, the EU may have a different opinion on this matter. 

At the same time, in my opinion, the Russian Federation has huge problems.  First of all, it is the complete absence of a positive picture of the future of Russia and its citizens. 

Few people realize this now, but a social society can collapse faster than the country actually runs out of resources and serious economic problems begin.  People cannot live without hope. 

And psychologically, people break down faster than machine tools and machines.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Pejoh Asu on April 07, 2022, 09:39:44 AM
I think Russia has all the resources to stop european sanctions, the dependence of many european countries on russian gas and oil of course makes it better for them to be silent than to be strict, only a few countries are serious about putting pressure on russia with strict sanctions, but if strict sanctions are enforced i will sure Russia is ready and anticipated so that it will not have a significant impact.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Oasisman on April 07, 2022, 10:42:40 AM
I think Russia has all the resources to stop european sanctions, the dependence of many european countries on russian gas and oil of course makes it better for them to be silent than to be strict, only a few countries are serious about putting pressure on russia with strict sanctions, but if strict sanctions are enforced i will sure Russia is ready and anticipated so that it will not have a significant impact.

You have stated the most obvious, that's actually what the OP is pointing out. Russia was more than ready for the sanctions before they execute the attack. They knew they possessed one of the world's necessity and European countries had their oil reliance grown since the last few years. That alone could be enough for Russia to withstand whatever economic sanctions the US or the European countries impose to them.
Though these sanctions their facing have affected them, but they have options to avoid the major effect of these sanctions.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: JoyMarsha on April 07, 2022, 12:04:21 PM
Russia was gearing up for an attack and you can see it on these statistics posted by OP how much they sped up their accumulation since 2018. The EU had years to realize that but they failed.

Since the cold war, Russia's relationship with the west has always been delicate so much that i think they knew that a time may come when they may have to indulge in a show of strength with the West, so they have had to be prepared, and made themselves important to the power sector. Putin put Russia in a position where they almost seem indispensable, like they hold the world's power sector by the balls. They are almost too important now, sanctions cannot be fully implemented for the now, alternatives to power from Russia has to be made first for the effects of the sanctions to be swift.

Someone who plans to start a battle with someone prepares better than the person that the problems meet unprepared and unexpectedly.

 

Western countries don't want the war to end that's why always they are giving over weapons to Ukraine and putting sanctions on Russia which is not the solution. Just moderation is the only way out.
Also, the affiliation of those highest countries is not to discuss how to bring peace to citizens of any country.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: farsky on April 07, 2022, 06:06:34 PM
Rus fascists:
A-Bolt, Xommy, ivan1975, lovesmayfamilis, Excimer, leonello, Snork1979, be.open, Azrieli

don't trust them.
They will lie and manipulate words, presenting false theories.
They lie about the fact that the States want to embroil Russia with someone.

in fact, Russia has long been a terrorist country.
I myself live in Russia.
I am very sad from the anger of the government and the people,
our people hate Ukrainians simply because the russian TV convinced them of this.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: justdimin on April 08, 2022, 01:11:17 PM
You have stated the most obvious, that's actually what the OP is pointing out. Russia was more than ready for the sanctions before they execute the attack. They knew they possessed one of the world's necessity and European countries had their oil reliance grown since the last few years. That alone could be enough for Russia to withstand whatever economic sanctions the US or the European countries impose to them.
Though these sanctions their facing have affected them, but they have options to avoid the major effect of these sanctions.
Russia knew that they would attack, and even though west already guessed it would happen, they didn't actually know that they would have to put sanctions, they weren't ready to even put sanctions. I mean imagine a world where you need something from a nation and you threaten that nation by saying you won't buy it if they go on, and yet you have no other choice so you still do. That is what west did, it is basically humiliating when you think about it.

All in all, it is really not that much of a big deal, you do not have to fear Russia because even though they beat these sanctions for the time being, if they keep being like this, they will be left alone to china alone and nobody else eventually.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Tony116 on April 08, 2022, 01:41:33 PM

Yes, there is an opinion that only an oil embargo can destroy the Russian economy.  It is from the sale of oil that Russia receives the main revenues to the state budget.

Oil prices do not depend on the natural season (winter or summer).  Oil is widely used for the manufacture of gasoline, as well as in the petrochemical industry. 

Are Western countries ready to impose an oil embargo? 

I don't have an answer to this question.  The United States declares its principled position to deprive the Russian Federation of all its oil and gas revenues.  However, the EU may have a different opinion on this matter. 

At the same time, in my opinion, the Russian Federation has huge problems.  First of all, it is the complete absence of a positive picture of the future of Russia and its citizens. 

Few people realize this now, but a social society can collapse faster than the country actually runs out of resources and serious economic problems begin.  People cannot live without hope. 

And psychologically, people break down faster than machine tools and machines.
Oil and gas is the backbone of the Russian economy, as long as Europe dares to ban it Russia will quickly decline.
So far, Europe has issued a fifth round of sanctions against Russia, but none targeting Russian crude oil and gas. All claims to cut off gas supplies from Russia are only on paper and they have not found a solution. According to the statement, they will stop depending on Russian energy by 2027. That is actually quite far away.
 The US is a country that is less dependent on Russian oil, so it does not hesitate to stop importing from Russia, but that will also have an impact on the US.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 08, 2022, 05:21:06 PM
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Oil and gas is the backbone of the Russian economy, as long as Europe dares to ban it Russia will quickly decline.
So far, Europe has issued a fifth round of sanctions against Russia, but none targeting Russian crude oil and gas. All claims to cut off gas supplies from Russia are only on paper and they have not found a solution. According to the statement, they will stop depending on Russian energy by 2027. That is actually quite far away.
 The US is a country that is less dependent on Russian oil, so it does not hesitate to stop importing from Russia, but that will also have an impact on the US.

Today I was surprised to read in the news that the EU is ready to vote for the introduction of an embargo on the purchase of oil, gas and coal from Russia!
Further it will be interesting! Russia will have to sell oil / gas / coal for a penny to China and India. These countries will not support the embargo, they need Russia as a slave-raw material appendage. And Russia will do everything that India and China order - there is no way out, because. you can not take and pause the production of gas and oil. Most likely, India and China will pay partly in their local currency, so that Russia is also tied to their products.
In short, we are waiting for very interesting changes in the international hydrocarbon market!


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 08, 2022, 10:04:30 PM
The Russia was the powerful country as like America, China. So other country was not starting war against this two. All the country including America, they just doing financial support to the war for Ukraine. But still Russia moving up with the strategies. And the people of many developing country was suffering a lot now.The reason for this was very simple.The oil price was keep on increasing in most developing countries
In this war, Russia and Ukraine were directly involved, but many people did not realize that behind the back there were several countries that were indirectly involved, namely those you have mentioned, both the United States and China.
indeed this war has an impact on many things, one of which is the most pronounced is the price of oil,
oil prices are really crazy and hope it can go down soon

I'm ready to disappoint you .. China, the USA, it's all "far-fetched", or is the result of what started not a month ago. I am a citizen of Ukraine, and for many years, since 2000, I worked in a company whose office was in Donetsk. So I inform you - since 2000 (and possibly earlier), Russia has been actively promoting the idea of ??a "Russian world" in Ukraine, especially in regions where most of the population was once resettled from the RSFSR on the territory of Ukraine, where before that, Soviet power destroyed the local population. Yes, you guessed it - these are today's territories where the virtual states of the DPR / LPR have been created. I am sure that the same work was carried out in Belarus, and possibly in other countries that were once part of the USSR. And all why? Because the insane Kremlin dwarf suddenly decided that he is the messiah, and must collect back all "the republics of the USSR and recreate it anew!". Those. revive the corpse, and create, from the forcibly assembled "republics" of a sort of Frankenstein monster. You laugh in vain! There was no USA and China, there was and is a crazy aging under-alpha male, with complexes not even of Napoleon, but of God! And all these "official" reasons for starting a new round of war against Ukraine, like joining NATO or threatening Russia, are bluff and fakes!



Well that is an argument that can be believed and who better than being a Ukrainian citizen. The truth is that the people who live day to day in Ukraine are the ones who know well where everything comes from, what happens is that the news tends to be very tabloid, and they don't really know what the real story is, so this means that from All this had been cooking for a long time, for me the best excuse for all this to explode was NATO and everything that has to do with what is currently happening. The Soviet Union, for me, is latent in Russia, Belarus and I think they want to take Ukraine because when it existed it was the heart of the Soviet Union, I think this is what they want to recover, and China shares a certain ideology with Russia and that is why it can have some kind of affinity.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Smartprofit on April 09, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Yes, I think it's a disaster for Russia. 

The oil embargo means the complete degradation of Russia's industry and economy.  Many now remember Iran and North Korea.  However, Russia is not Iran or North Korea.  This is a huge country with a very harsh climate. 

Russia, in order to function as a state, needs a technological and developed infrastructure.  These are aviation, rail freight and passenger transportation, communications, the Internet, heat and electricity transmission. 

Besides, Russia is a European country.  Yes, it may imitate an Asian country or talk about a special development path, but in fact it is a European country. 

People are not ready to live outside the achievements of civilization and wipe their asses with burdock leaves (no matter what the propagandists say). 

Another thing is that the oil embargo is a very serious step and perhaps European countries will not dare to take such actions. 

In any case, the situation is very worrying.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: zasad@ on April 09, 2022, 08:40:35 PM
The sanctions have cracked. The United States suddenly allowed the supply of hardware for the Internet and telecom to Russia
https://europe-cities.com/2022/04/08/the-sanctions-have-cracked-the-united-states-suddenly-allowed-the-supply-of-hardware-for-the-internet-and-telecom-to-russia/
If it's not fake, then I find it very funny.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: ajochems on April 09, 2022, 08:58:12 PM
Really interesting news,me too don’t know it was real.But if it so,their will be huge hustle gonna happened.Because how the United States was changed his policy towards Russia for their economy.And with my knowledge,Americans may do this for the tactical move.They may keep some hidden things to monitor the Russia.But they will not do any direct support to Russia was my opinion.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: zasad@ on April 09, 2022, 09:23:33 PM
https://iz.ru/1317629/mariia-frolova/raskruchivanie-gaek-pochemu-ssha-reshili-oslabit-sanktcii
This information is published by major Russian newspapers.

Official reason:"to ensure a high level of route redundancy for passing traffic of various types, and secondly, it forces operators to find the shortest ways to reduce the cost of the service and increase the transmission speed."
Unofficial reason: "Possibility of further espionage"
It's even more fun :)


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Smartprofit on April 10, 2022, 09:52:02 AM
The sanctions have cracked. The United States suddenly allowed the supply of hardware for the Internet and telecom to Russia
https://europe-cities.com/2022/04/08/the-sanctions-have-cracked-the-united-states-suddenly-allowed-the-supply-of-hardware-for-the-internet-and-telecom-to-russia/
If it's not fake, then I find it very funny.


By the way, I read that the Russian office of Huawei sent all Russian employees on vacation. 

Huawei is a Chinese company that supplies and maintains telecommunications equipment.  Previously, this company came under US sanctions.  Now she is (probably) afraid to work in Russia. 

Why did the US withdraw telecommunications equipment from anti-Russian sanctions?  Complex issue.... 

Perhaps the US does not want the informational isolation of Russian citizens.  Perhaps the United States is afraid of destroying the infrastructure of the Russian Federation too quickly.  This may be accompanied by man-made disasters (including at nuclear power plants).  Nobody in the world needs chaos in such a huge country as Russia. 

In addition, the United States understands that a radical weakening of Russia will lead to the strengthening of China's position.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Kakmakr on April 10, 2022, 10:10:53 AM
Well the Ukraine has Europe's third-largest shale gas reserves at 1.2 trillion cubic meters (tcm). There are two potentially large shale gas fields. The Yuzivska gas field located in Donetsk Oblast (province) and Kharkiv Oblast; and the Olesska gas field in Lviv Oblast and Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine

Russia ...wants those Gas resources and they do not want the West to fund the development of those resources, because that will threaten their market share in Europe. The current conflict is not about Political influence.... but rather about "Money"

Europe should have reduced their dependency on Russian Oil and Gas, but it was convenient for them and it was a cheaper source for Oil and Gas.... but this conflict has hastened their efforts to do it now. (It was the kick in the butt that they needed)  ;)


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: zasad@ on April 10, 2022, 12:30:09 PM
Well the Ukraine has Europe's third-largest shale gas reserves at 1.2 trillion cubic meters (tcm). There are two potentially large shale gas fields. The Yuzivska gas field located in Donetsk Oblast (province) and Kharkiv Oblast; and the Olesska gas field in Lviv Oblast and Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine

Russia ...wants those Gas resources and they do not want the West to fund the development of those resources, because that will threaten their market share in Europe. The current conflict is not about Political influence.... but rather about "Money"

Europe should have reduced their dependency on Russian Oil and Gas, but it was convenient for them and it was a cheaper source for Oil and Gas.... but this conflict has hastened their efforts to do it now. (It was the kick in the butt that they needed)  ;)
I have heard that shale gas production brings great harm to the environment and agriculture, so many European countries do not produce this gas on their territory. They bought more of this gas from other countries, and in return they sold expensive gas production equipment.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 10, 2022, 01:25:07 PM
Well the Ukraine has Europe's third-largest shale gas reserves at 1.2 trillion cubic meters (tcm). There are two potentially large shale gas fields. The Yuzivska gas field located in Donetsk Oblast (province) and Kharkiv Oblast; and the Olesska gas field in Lviv Oblast and Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_Ukraine

Russia ...wants those Gas resources and they do not want the West to fund the development of those resources, because that will threaten their market share in Europe. The current conflict is not about Political influence.... but rather about "Money"

Europe should have reduced their dependency on Russian Oil and Gas, but it was convenient for them and it was a cheaper source for Oil and Gas.... but this conflict has hastened their efforts to do it now. (It was the kick in the butt that they needed)  ;)
I have heard that shale gas production brings great harm to the environment and agriculture, so many European countries do not produce this gas on their territory. They bought more of this gas from other countries, and in return they sold expensive gas production equipment.

Hydraulic fracturing was used in the USSR and is used in Russia, but the only limitation has been and remains technological backwardness, because in this area there is complete dependence on Western technologies.


"In the Soviet Union, the first hydraulic fracturing began in 1952. The peak of the use of hydraulic fracturing in the USSR fell on 1958–1962, when the number of operations exceeded 1500 per year (and in 1959 three thousand operations were performed). With the discovery of large high-rate fields in Western Siberia, the use of hydraulic fracturing was practically abandoned - "light" oil made it possible to do without additional stimulation methods. And in the meantime, technology has developed in the world.

During the period of lack of demand, domestic equipment and experience in the use of hydraulic fracturing lagged far behind. Back in 1980, at a meeting of the scientific and technical council of the USSR Ministry of Gas Industry, the head of the laboratory of SevKavNIPIgaz D.F. Matveev noted: “Hydraulic fracturing is widely used abroad and, unfortunately, on a much smaller scale in the domestic gas industry. This is due to a number of reasons, the main of which are: lack of developed technology; very limited choice of working fluids; the absence in the initial period of industrial testing of pumping units with high productivity and high pressure, which did not make it possible to carry out work with significant efficiency; in connection with the exploitation of high-yield deposits, the issue of increasing the efficiency of developing low-yield and low-permeability reservoirs was not so acute.

In recent history, hydraulic fracturing in Russian fields has become the prerogative of foreign service companies. Domestic specialists are working in this direction, but so far, new technological trends are still coming from abroad."


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: minairia3 on April 16, 2022, 07:24:31 PM
The ''west'' was not preparing for this, for sure, because the threat of war on the European continent was so unimaginable (at least in this part of Europe) that they completely ignored the threat. However, it's not just the European countries ignoring it, the countries that are big importers of grain from Ukraine and Russia also were caught off guard with Yemen and Egipt being at risk the most, but also China, who will not feel the issue that much, but still had huge imports of grain from Ukraine. However, whatever preparations Russia made for imminent sanctions, that does not mean that they won't be severely affected by Europe turning away from its oil and gas exports in the near future. Especially if Russia loses the annexed Ukrainian territory that is filled with natural resources.

Russia's move means it will not withdraw from the war without completely crippling Ukraine and occupying it. But this is not the only loss to Ukraine, Russia itself, however, is facing losses.

Because even if Russia started the war,
Ukraine, awakened by the indomitable will to save itself, has begun to retaliate, and no one can stop them when a nation fights for its own survival, for its own independence.
As a result, countless people in Ukraine are dying, and Russia's military power is dwindling.

Moreover, Russia and Ukraine are the first major importers of food.
Therefore, as a result of continuous war, food grains and croplands will be destroyed and there will be a shortage of food grains. And there will be a crisis of food grains and an increase in prices all over the world.
In this way, the inflation problem will go one step further.

It is imposing sanctions on various European countries and Russia. Notable among them are the United States, the United Kingdom, and Japan. And more sanctions are expected to follow.

Now the question is why the sanctions did not go the way of implementation? In this case, it can be said that there is a lack of unity.

Russia has some problems with almost all of the countries that are imposing sanctions. There are also a number of countries with which Russia has good relations, such as Italy and Austria, that are reluctant to impose any sanctions against Russia.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Minecache on April 16, 2022, 09:40:23 PM
Yeah, after reading this and seeing the graphs it really seems russia was planning this since very long? What if everyone today is just blind folded since the last Ukriane attack 8 years ago? Russia might have built the internal strategy right after they backed up the previous war. They might have projected the whole plot for example, how europe will react with the war breakout, how america will react which is most rival country for them or other way round.
The steadiness is due to Russia's richness in the fossil resources. They know world wants them and specifically the neighbouring European countries. Europe surely created too much dependency on the Russia and all sudden the they went rogue.
I think it is one of those strategies for war where you press the most weak point of others and then torn them inside out.
This isn't something they "planned", I mean of course they probably knew what they would do "in case..." type of situation, but they lived with this idea basically. Ukraine had places where there were plenty of Russians, and places where basically Russia is loved like crazy, and they wanted to get those places. Obviously it doesn't make sense for Ukraine to give their lands to Russia, so this means both knew that they would be in a war one day or another.

This doesn't mean they knew when it would happen, but they definitely knew that one day it would happen. If you consider that as planned, then it was planned, but I would say being ready, and not planned. Planned means they aimed at doing this, being ready means they would if something happened but won't if that won't happen.

I also could not agree that Russia had planned the war long ago. You could say that there was a prediction of a war going on between Russia and Ukraine over the issues.
Not only Russia or Ukraine but also full international politics could predict that war was imminent.

Russia had already predicted the war and realized what sanctions could be imposed on it.
And maybe that's why he's ready to face all the sanctions.
It is the countries that have imposed sanctions, but in some cases, they will be also face problems.

E.g.
1. We know how rich Russia is in natural gas and fuel oil. Now European countries can cut gas and fuel imports to hurt Russia's economy. But they will suffer. The oil crisis will hit some countries because oil and gas imported from Russia meet one-third of the country's demand. And alternative routes other than imports from Russia have been considered. But finding an alternative road is not so easy. Until then, the countries will face many problems. Especially Germany.

2. Russia can be called food grain and reserves. And if their food grain exports are also banned, there will be food crises in many countries.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: STT on April 16, 2022, 10:37:01 PM
Its more about wheat then gas reserves I think.   Even UK has gas reserves available to drill and extract, the only thing about Ukraine having gas is to close down that resource as being an competition but across the world substantial reserves would remain anyway like Brazil and Australian have (newly established) vast amounts available to ship out as LNG.   Across land and via Pipeline perhaps Ukraine is a slightly more available resource but I dont think thats enough motivation for a war.
  Wheat supplies to Egypt and the middle east is vital to their economy as it feeds the poor via government subsidy so that would be more vital and just in general the ports Ukraine has are key.  Also Crimea without its attachment to the mainland has trouble getting various basics like drinking water, its cut off apparently and securing regions of Ukraine close by is no loss for Russia even if they do not conquer the whole country.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Ozero on April 17, 2022, 09:48:34 AM
Russia's readiness to resist the current sanctions, which, although quite powerful, are not yet completely complete, is another myth of Russian propaganda. It is calculated on the fact that the international community, which also suffers certain losses from them, will get tired and lift these sanctions. Russia is not ready for them at all. Recently, the State Duma of Russia was surprised to learn that even ordinary nails are not manufactured in Russia. What can we say about high technologies.
During the war with Ukraine and heavy losses in military equipment (only Russia lost almost 800 tanks in Ukraine), Uralvagonzavod, which produces tanks, was forced to stop in Russia. All due to the fact that the supply of some components from abroad has stopped. And so it is with almost everything. In Russia, in the presence of the forests of Siberia, even their own paper is not made. They are used to selling oil and gas, but no one even thought about industry and a closed production cycle. By the end of the year, we will be able to see the results of the sanctions in all their glory.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 17, 2022, 12:05:39 PM
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Russia had already predicted the war and realized what sanctions could be imposed on it.
And maybe that's why he's ready to face all the sanctions.
It is the countries that have imposed sanctions, but in some cases, they will be also face problems.
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This is the biggest mistake!!
1. Putin was absolutely sure that the US/EU confrontation would not allow them to coordinately introduce such a number and such sanctions. He was absolutely sure that his obedient pet dogs like Merkel, Macron and similar politicians, bought or caught on the hook of compromising evidence, would destroy any US initiatives regarding sanctions. It turned out - miscalculated. Even these politicians, having seen the scale of sadism with which Putin is waging a terrorist war against Ukraine, realized that this must be resisted.
2. Putin, being a petty tyrant, always demanded from his entourage only that information that caressed his ears. His entourage decided - why do something if you can just keep the crazy Fuhrer in an information bubble and give him fairy tales that he likes. This is how it turned out in the end - both about the stable powerful economy of Russia, and about the second most powerful army in the world, and about "Ukraine does not have its own army, and everyone will scatter when they see our army"


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sir Legend on April 20, 2022, 04:08:03 AM
This is because Russia has the power to suppress Europe, as we know that Russia is a producer of oil and gas which is supplied to Europe, Europe's dependence on Russian gas and oil has made Europe powerless by whatever Russia did, even a few years ago when Russia raised gas and oil prices significantly but European countries could only follow suit.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sithara007 on April 20, 2022, 04:29:22 AM
This is because Russia has the power to suppress Europe, as we know that Russia is a producer of oil and gas which is supplied to Europe, Europe's dependence on Russian gas and oil has made Europe powerless by whatever Russia did, even a few years ago when Russia raised gas and oil prices significantly but European countries could only follow suit.

Just checked the price difference on Russian crude oil, and it is inching towards the $40 per barrel level. Saudi crude is trading at $110 per barrel, while the Russian crude is being sold at $70 per barrel. Even at this level, the Russian treasury is receiving a lot of foreign currency through tax receipts (almost 90% of the revenue above $27 per barrel goes as tax, if I am not wrong). In order to damage the Russian economy, the price level of Russian crude should come down to $40-$45 levels, and looking at the current scenario, that is very unlikely.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: inthelongrun on April 20, 2022, 05:44:38 AM
Although EU always wanted to diversify their source of energy. I was optimistic that Nord Stream 2 would further eliminate a future conflict between Russia and EU. But that didn't stopped Russian aggression towards Ukraine. Russia is risking billions of dollars on its Ukraine invasion while western Europe is bleeding itself from their own sanctions on Russia. In the long run, western Europe should be fine. Russian economy will continue to drop reason why it needs a deal as quick as possible while they still have some cards to negotiate. The more arms will continue to arrive in Ukraine, the more difficult for the Russians.

   

 


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Lubang Bawah on April 20, 2022, 05:52:20 AM
I'm sure when Russia dared to invade Ukraine then they already knew bad things including sanctions from Europe, but because Russia is an oil and gas producing country and has good relations with China, they are not worried if Europe imposes sanctions, and at this time Russia is not too bothered with sanctions because Europe can never be firm on Russia.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 01:47:34 AM
I'm sure when Russia dared to invade Ukraine then they already knew bad things including sanctions from Europe, but because Russia is an oil and gas producing country and has good relations with China, they are not worried if Europe imposes sanctions, and at this time Russia is not too bothered with sanctions because Europe can never be firm on Russia.

For sure Russia didn't expected such a severe reaction from the EU and the US. EU is overdependent on Russian oil and gas, and yet they are talking about completely phasing out Russian purchases. I don't know how practical is this, but if implemented it can severely impact Russia. The good thing for Russia is that oil and natural gas prices are at all time high, and they are still profiting out from their oil/gas exports despite the steep discounts. And diverting the supplies to China is going to take a lot of time, and I am not even sure whether it is possible.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Tony116 on April 21, 2022, 05:24:14 AM
I'm sure when Russia dared to invade Ukraine then they already knew bad things including sanctions from Europe, but because Russia is an oil and gas producing country and has good relations with China, they are not worried if Europe imposes sanctions, and at this time Russia is not too bothered with sanctions because Europe can never be firm on Russia.

For sure Russia didn't expected such a severe reaction from the EU and the US. EU is overdependent on Russian oil and gas, and yet they are talking about completely phasing out Russian purchases. I don't know how practical is this, but if implemented it can severely impact Russia. The good thing for Russia is that oil and natural gas prices are at all time high, and they are still profiting out from their oil/gas exports despite the steep discounts. And diverting the supplies to China is going to take a lot of time, and I am not even sure whether it is possible.

Maybe Russia also calculated but these reactions in my opinion are beyond their calculations. The fighting situation shows no sign of abating and EU countries are planning to reduce their energy dependence on Russia earlier than expected to make sanctions more effective.

The redirection of oil and gas supplies to China and Asian countries will take some time, but Europe's search for alternative Russian sources remains unresolved. I don't know how they will do it, but now I see the EU as deadlocked as Russia if the two sides stop cooperating.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: laredo7mm on April 21, 2022, 05:47:15 AM
Who funded Russia? Are they not the Wests? After Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, the Wests are still buying oils and fossil fuels from Russia. They showed they depended on Russia when there are many available alternatives. West can be said to be the cause of the war. I expect all imports from Russia into Western nations should have ceased since many years ago. Then, Russia would have not have such power and weaponry they have today.

The bitter truth is everybody only care about their own interest. Russian fuel is cheap and is located right next to the EU which makes it reliable too. You said there are many alternatives but can you show us some of them? Don't you think there are plenty of minds that are sitting there to find a good alternative to Russian fuel? Why didn't they find that yet?

Look what experts say:

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“There’s just no way even OPEC+ and even combined Iran and Venezuela could make up for it,” Vandana Hari, founder of energy intelligence firm Vanda Insights, told CNBC’s.”


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: CaptainCrapper on April 21, 2022, 02:13:58 PM
Who funded Russia? Are they not the Wests? After Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, the Wests are still buying oils and fossil fuels from Russia. They showed they depended on Russia when there are many available alternatives. West can be said to be the cause of the war. I expect all imports from Russia into Western nations should have ceased since many years ago. Then, Russia would have not have such power and weaponry they have today.
Yes, rasa is doing crime in the whole world cause they want to go leading position but still, the USA has a democracy for that reason russia cant do anything cause the world democracy is a fair system now.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DanWalker on April 21, 2022, 03:17:39 PM
Who funded Russia? Are they not the Wests? After Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, the Wests are still buying oils and fossil fuels from Russia. They showed they depended on Russia when there are many available alternatives. West can be said to be the cause of the war. I expect all imports from Russia into Western nations should have ceased since many years ago. Then, Russia would have not have such power and weaponry they have today.

The bitter truth is everybody only care about their own interest. Russian fuel is cheap and is located right next to the EU which makes it reliable too. You said there are many alternatives but can you show us some of them? Don't you think there are plenty of minds that are sitting there to find a good alternative to Russian fuel? Why didn't they find that yet?

Look what experts say:

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“There’s just no way even OPEC+ and even combined Iran and Venezuela could make up for it,” Vandana Hari, founder of energy intelligence firm Vanda Insights, told CNBC’s.”

No option for the EU would be better than Russia, The German government also recently announced that it will stop importing Russian oil from the end of this year and stop relying on gas according to the European route. But they never mentioned a replacement, who would replace the Russian oil supply for them. It seems that all they are saying is to intimidate Russia, they cannot find an alternative.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 04:00:45 PM
Maybe Russia also calculated but these reactions in my opinion are beyond their calculations. The fighting situation shows no sign of abating and EU countries are planning to reduce their energy dependence on Russia earlier than expected to make sanctions more effective.

The redirection of oil and gas supplies to China and Asian countries will take some time, but Europe's search for alternative Russian sources remains unresolved. I don't know how they will do it, but now I see the EU as deadlocked as Russia if the two sides stop cooperating.

It is self-harm for the European Union. Unlike the US (which is a net exporter of petroleum and natural gas), the EU imports most of its oil and gas and the heavy industries depend heavily on these energy imports. On top of that, many of the refineries in Germany and some of the other EU nations are designed to process the Russian crude grades. In order to process crude from US or some other region, they need to undergo expensive renovations. Phasing out gas is even more troublesome. EU doesn't even have a large number of LNG terminals.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Pomogator on April 21, 2022, 11:27:41 PM
Of course, Europe did not expect such actions from Russia. Russia began to prepare for large-scale sanctions after 2014, although then they were very small compared to 2022. I think they prepared not quite correctly, because all external assets were blocked, which greatly broke its economy.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DanWalker on April 22, 2022, 01:13:08 PM
Of course, Europe did not expect such actions from Russia. Russia began to prepare for large-scale sanctions after 2014, although then they were very small compared to 2022. I think they prepared not quite correctly, because all external assets were blocked, which greatly broke its economy.

Russia certainly has made very thorough preparations, but perhaps they must also be surprised by such draconian sanctions. It is true that their economies are being ravaged by sanctions, but Europe and the United States will also suffer significant damage from their own economic sanctions. It seems that neither side benefits, the only one who benefits in this situation and I think is none other than China.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: FlamingFingers on April 22, 2022, 01:58:28 PM
Europe will feel the heat also, at this point I just see this war as comic relief. Funny propaganda everywhere, the west dancing with Ukraine's vulnerability, EU is now asking its citizens to work from home three days a week to reduce reliance on Russia energy. Instead of finding ways to stop the war, the EU countries are running from pillar to post to punish Russia. Now its has come to sanctioning themselves. When you stay home for three days in a week you burn more gas in heating the home. When you drive slow, you pollute the environment the more.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on April 22, 2022, 07:15:04 PM
No option for the EU would be better than Russia, The German government also recently announced that it will stop importing Russian oil from the end of this year and stop relying on gas according to the European route. But they never mentioned a replacement, who would replace the Russian oil supply for them. It seems that all they are saying is to intimidate Russia, they cannot find an alternative.

Why is she the best choice? The fact that, at the discretion of a not quite adequate ruler, he can take and stop gas supplies in winter, violating the contractual terms? And this is not the first time! And what's more - after that, there are also ultimatums to change the supply chain and payment!
What is worse, for example, oil from Norway and gas from suppliers from Asia? Or SGP hubs in the Baltics or Portugal? Risk diversification in today's situation is the best solution! Russia is a toxic country, a toxic and unpredictable supplier - do you really want to work and have a relationship with such a person?


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: ropyu1978 on April 22, 2022, 07:56:02 PM
Europe will feel the heat also, at this point I just see this war as comic relief. Funny propaganda everywhere, the west dancing with Ukraine's vulnerability, EU is now asking its citizens to work from home three days a week to reduce reliance on Russia energy. Instead of finding ways to stop the war, the EU countries are running from pillar to post to punish Russia. Now its has come to sanctioning themselves. When you stay home for three days in a week you burn more gas in heating the home. When you drive slow, you pollute the environment the more.
war brought havoc to all countries, at the beginning of the war almost all countries imposed sanctions on Russia, but the proof is not Russia who has experienced the impact of the sanctions given, in fact other countries have experienced the impact of Russian sanctions, even America itself is now experiencing the impact what is extraordinary, the country that used to impose sanctions on Russia, now the country is silent, and seems to be running away from their responsibilities, it is countries with weak economies that receive a huge impact, like Indonesia, where oil prices are now soaring.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: FlamingFingers on April 23, 2022, 07:59:55 AM
Europe will feel the heat also, at this point I just see this war as comic relief. Funny propaganda everywhere, the west dancing with Ukraine's vulnerability, EU is now asking its citizens to work from home three days a week to reduce reliance on Russia energy. Instead of finding ways to stop the war, the EU countries are running from pillar to post to punish Russia. Now its has come to sanctioning themselves. When you stay home for three days in a week you burn more gas in heating the home. When you drive slow, you pollute the environment the more.
war brought havoc to all countries, at the beginning of the war almost all countries imposed sanctions on Russia, but the proof is not Russia who has experienced the impact of the sanctions given, in fact other countries have experienced the impact of Russian sanctions, even America itself is now experiencing the impact what is extraordinary, the country that used to impose sanctions on Russia, now the country is silent, and seems to be running away from their responsibilities, it is countries with weak economies that receive a huge impact, like Indonesia, where oil prices are now soaring.
With such great impact to Indonesia economy I believe that they will feel like the war should continue lol, because it's being in their favour, I heard a news but I don't know how genuine it is that European companies may be able to work around Russia's demand to receive gas payments in roubles without breaching sanctions if they pay in euros or dollars which are then converted into the Russian currency, EU do not have a choice, Russia gas is the cheapest for Europe, its either Russia gas or people go on the street when Winter starts knocking in Europe. Gas will be so expensive in Europe if they insist on boycotting Russia gas.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: gantez on April 24, 2022, 10:57:36 AM
Europe will feel the heat also, at this point I just see this war as comic relief. Funny propaganda everywhere, the west dancing with Ukraine's vulnerability, EU is now asking its citizens to work from home three days a week to reduce reliance on Russia energy. Instead of finding ways to stop the war, the EU countries are running from pillar to post to punish Russia. Now its has come to sanctioning themselves. When you stay home for three days in a week you burn more gas in heating the home. When you drive slow, you pollute the environment the more.

Is quite a funny scene. I didn't expect myself to keep hearing about the war between Russia and Ukraine till this moment and Russia have made success in different areas including in the war and getting EU to begin to adjust their life style to suit the present reality. They going into another thing looking like the covid-19 restrictions. Working from home is not what the people in Europe expect now. I expect the war to be over this time but we are yet not seeing to that now.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Freeesta on April 24, 2022, 02:46:58 PM
Europe will feel the heat also, at this point I just see this war as comic relief. Funny propaganda everywhere, the west dancing with Ukraine's vulnerability, EU is now asking its citizens to work from home three days a week to reduce reliance on Russia energy. Instead of finding ways to stop the war, the EU countries are running from pillar to post to punish Russia. Now its has come to sanctioning themselves. When you stay home for three days in a week you burn more gas in heating the home. When you drive slow, you pollute the environment the more.
war brought havoc to all countries, at the beginning of the war almost all countries imposed sanctions on Russia, but the proof is not Russia who has experienced the impact of the sanctions given, in fact other countries have experienced the impact of Russian sanctions, even America itself is now experiencing the impact what is extraordinary, the country that used to impose sanctions on Russia, now the country is silent, and seems to be running away from their responsibilities, it is countries with weak economies that receive a huge impact, like Indonesia, where oil prices are now soaring.

It is a pity for the people who trusted their government, but it did not want to take care of its people. Many countries are suffering from new sanctions against Russia. This is especially true for small countries with weak economies. Did you reach your result? I'm not sure about this. I see that European countries are suffering from this. Next winter we will face the biggest crisis the world has ever had.Here fit the words from the famous movie "Winter is coming!"


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: be.open on April 25, 2022, 07:53:44 AM
No option for the EU would be better than Russia, The German government also recently announced that it will stop importing Russian oil from the end of this year and stop relying on gas according to the European route. But they never mentioned a replacement, who would replace the Russian oil supply for them. It seems that all they are saying is to intimidate Russia, they cannot find an alternative.

Why is she the best choice? The fact that, at the discretion of a not quite adequate ruler, he can take and stop gas supplies in winter, violating the contractual terms? And this is not the first time! And what's more - after that, there are also ultimatums to change the supply chain and payment!
What is worse, for example, oil from Norway and gas from suppliers from Asia? Or SGP hubs in the Baltics or Portugal? Risk diversification in today's situation is the best solution! Russia is a toxic country, a toxic and unpredictable supplier - do you really want to work and have a relationship with such a person?

You invented your fact yourself, Russia is a responsible and reliable supplier of energy resources, and even two months after the start of the operation in Ukraine, Gazprom continues to transit gas through Ukraine in accordance with its long-term contracts. The fact that Gazprom does not supply gas under short-term contracts is its permanent strategy.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Mauser on April 25, 2022, 10:40:21 AM
I think that nobody in Europe actually believed that Putin would go into a full war with Ukraine. Maybe people now say they knew it was happening and expected it, that seems wrong to me. If the West would have known about the war than it would have been possible to prepare for the sanctions. Russia is the aggressor, they planned everything even if the plans where not accurate they could atleast prepare for the impact of the sanctions. The main problem for Europe they need the gas from Russia. Sure USA would love to sell more liquid gas to Europe, but its more expensive. We can't just ruin the economies in Europe to hurt Russia. Every sanction not only hurts the targeted country but also the country imposing the sanctions. If economy is affected too much, the people will just vote for another party that will loosen the sanctions again.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 03:04:09 PM
No option for the EU would be better than Russia, The German government also recently announced that it will stop importing Russian oil from the end of this year and stop relying on gas according to the European route. But they never mentioned a replacement, who would replace the Russian oil supply for them. It seems that all they are saying is to intimidate Russia, they cannot find an alternative.

Why is she the best choice? The fact that, at the discretion of a not quite adequate ruler, he can take and stop gas supplies in winter, violating the contractual terms? And this is not the first time! And what's more - after that, there are also ultimatums to change the supply chain and payment!
What is worse, for example, oil from Norway and gas from suppliers from Asia? Or SGP hubs in the Baltics or Portugal? Risk diversification in today's situation is the best solution! Russia is a toxic country, a toxic and unpredictable supplier - do you really want to work and have a relationship with such a person?


If the United States and Europe unilaterally issued sanctions even freezing Russia's foreign currency reserves, there was no reason that Russia could not do the same. If a man holds a knife on your neck, if you have the opportunity, are you against?.

I am not from the country in the war and of course I don't support this war, I just hope it ends soon. But I believe there must be some reasons for this war, Russia is also a country that is facing many difficulties when the world turns back to them. We are not politicians so we cannot know what their calculations are, all we know is just through the media and everything has been controlled.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on May 02, 2022, 11:15:34 AM
No option for the EU would be better than Russia, The German government also recently announced that it will stop importing Russian oil from the end of this year and stop relying on gas according to the European route. But they never mentioned a replacement, who would replace the Russian oil supply for them. It seems that all they are saying is to intimidate Russia, they cannot find an alternative.

Why is she the best choice? The fact that, at the discretion of a not quite adequate ruler, he can take and stop gas supplies in winter, violating the contractual terms? And this is not the first time! And what's more - after that, there are also ultimatums to change the supply chain and payment!
What is worse, for example, oil from Norway and gas from suppliers from Asia? Or SGP hubs in the Baltics or Portugal? Risk diversification in today's situation is the best solution! Russia is a toxic country, a toxic and unpredictable supplier - do you really want to work and have a relationship with such a person?


If the United States and Europe unilaterally issued sanctions even freezing Russia's foreign currency reserves, there was no reason that Russia could not do the same. If a man holds a knife on your neck, if you have the opportunity, are you against?.

I am not from the country in the war and of course I don't support this war, I just hope it ends soon. But I believe there must be some reasons for this war, Russia is also a country that is facing many difficulties when the world turns back to them. We are not politicians so we cannot know what their calculations are, all we know is just through the media and everything has been controlled.

You are talking utter nonsense. Sanctions against the terrorist country Russia were introduced for unleashing a terrorist war against Ukraine, for the occupation of part of the territories, and the annexation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Those. it is the punishment for the crime. Do you want to say that a criminal who has been sentenced to punishment has the right to throw a knife at judges, witnesses?
And the reasons for the war are absolutely understandable - Putin is not an entirely adequate person, he imagines himself to be the "earthly incarnation of the Creator", decided that he must resurrect the USSR, and "defeat damned capitalism" with the help of "the second most powerful army" and "the strongest economy"! Don't believe? I recommend listening to his original speeches, as well as the Russian Foreign Ministry, as well as its top-level representatives, and you will see the full picture...


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Desmong on May 02, 2022, 11:46:42 AM
Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: dunfida on May 02, 2022, 11:28:16 PM
Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.
On the time that they had launched and invasive attack then they are already that prepared on what would be the consequences or effects that they would suffer out and it had been proven out and been seen
considering on how long this war had been running which does signifies that they could really withstand sanctions in overall but there would really be coming into a point on which
it would really be having a big toll or effect into their economy.It might not or cant be seen as of this moment but if this one would go for long term then
that would be surely felt off.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sithara007 on May 03, 2022, 02:38:24 AM
Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

Again and again, the Europeans are turning out to be a bunch of idiots. The Russian oil and gas is still flowing in to other countries such as India and China. It may take a few months for the Russian producers to accept the new reality, but after that it will be business as usual. The crude oil prices have gone up by more than 150% in the last 12 months. Natural gas prices are up by more than 500%. So even by selling at a discount, the Russians are making a hefty profit. Biden is happy, as his friends in OPEC are making billions of USD every day. But the ordinary citizens of EU are going to suffer, as they need to import most of their oil and gas.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: doomloop on May 03, 2022, 09:46:35 PM
Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.
I do agree that there is a good chance that we could end up with Russialess type of energy in the future. I mean the tech is there, we just need to invest into both making it a better version of it, and also manufacture it a lot more.

Do we really think that we have to rely on any nation for the next 10+ years? Cars will be all electric, and I am sure that they will even be made out of material that will absorb sun as well, or even run further with the energy itself creates as well, so electric cars will be disregarding oil needs for a long time. We may get some from other nations for niche requirements but the fact that cars will be purely electric is more than enough.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Synchronice on May 03, 2022, 10:41:39 PM
US national debt
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
America built the most powerful economy in the world because it bought resources and the best specialists in the world with printed dollars.
For many years, Russia was a colony that sold its resources cheaply, and now these sanctions hit the European economy even more painfully.
People either don't know much about the USA or they forget history, they forget that Nazi Germany held some of the greatest scientific minds in the world and the USA take more than 1,600 great Nazi German scientists, engineers, and technicians, it's known as Operation Paperclip. It's sad but people in this field aren't appreciated as they deserve. In today's USA people like Corinna Kopf, Kim Kardashian and others from this league are more appreciated. The USA is losing power and dominance.

For many years, Russia was a colony that sold its resources cheaply, and now these sanctions hit the European economy even more painfully.
And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland,  Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.


Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Because Europeans don't want to leave their comfort zone, they prefer to stick with what's tried and works well and they are very slow to react and need very, very serious reasons to do some job. Probably, they weren't really expecting that.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sithara007 on May 04, 2022, 01:34:17 AM
And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland,  Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

So what? Russia always had a low quality of life when compared to Western Europe. The main reason is that despite being a major producer of the natural resources, Russia has never tried to become a manufacturer of finished goods. The corrupt politicians and oligarchs have benefitted from this trade and they have looted the national wealth over the past decades. And ironically, the same oligarchs are the hardest hit from the sanctions. Their houses and yachts are being seized. Ordinary Russians are not affected as much as these oligarchs.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Tony116 on May 04, 2022, 02:04:06 AM


Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Because Europeans don't want to leave their comfort zone, they prefer to stick with what's tried and works well and they are very slow to react and need very, very serious reasons to do some job. Probably, they weren't really expecting that.
The war is still going on and if the EU continues to impose new sanctions, I think Europe will continue to suffer more severe consequences than Russia. Gas prices continue to rise and it is the people of the EU who suffer, not the leaders.


On April 27, Russia completely closed the supply of natural gas to Poland and Bulgaria, according to sources Poland is still using Russian gas through Germany. Shows that EU countries are still stuck in sanctions against Russia and still do not have an alternative to supply from Russia.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gazprom-says-poland-still-buying-123824234.html


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: DrBeer on May 04, 2022, 09:23:23 AM
And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland,  Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

So what? Russia always had a low quality of life when compared to Western Europe. The main reason is that despite being a major producer of the natural resources, Russia has never tried to become a manufacturer of finished goods. The corrupt politicians and oligarchs have benefitted from this trade and they have looted the national wealth over the past decades. And ironically, the same oligarchs are the hardest hit from the sanctions. Their houses and yachts are being seized. Ordinary Russians are not affected as much as these oligarchs.

You're not right. The reason for total poverty is in the domestic policy of the USSR/Russia. A citizen of the country has never been considered a value, it was and remains a resource. A resource that, for a minimum handout, is obliged to be afraid of the authorities (this is the main thing), has no rights and freedoms because it is evil, is obliged to work for a penny, is obliged to remain silent and "rejoice" at that very minimum handout. Since the time of the USSR, people have been hammered into the concept - "to live well is bad, the main thing is to love the party and the motherland, and give yourself completely in the fight against the whole world, because everyone is jealous of us and wants to capture us." Fortunately, you did not live in the USSR, but I was "lucky", believe me - you are unlikely to find a more vile and anti-human system!


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: Sebas.tian on May 04, 2022, 09:27:58 AM
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Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

I think, Putin is regretting for the bad decision he took to attacked Ukraine resources which other countries are not happy about the attacked that happened few months ago that put Ukraine economy into trouble. Russian citizens are really feeling the sanction NATO imposed to Russian that is making Russian government to lose billions every week that is making their companies to start experiencing losses from their distribution both domestic and international. Based on the intervention of other countries, I believe Russian will definitely embrace peace to withdraw the launch they are planning to launch to Ukraine resources.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: bustabitsboy on May 04, 2022, 07:01:56 PM
And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland,  Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

So what? Russia always had a low quality of life when compared to Western Europe. The main reason is that despite being a major producer of the natural resources, Russia has never tried to become a manufacturer of finished goods. The corrupt politicians and oligarchs have benefitted from this trade and they have looted the national wealth over the past decades. And ironically, the same oligarchs are the hardest hit from the sanctions. Their houses and yachts are being seized. Ordinary Russians are not affected as much as these oligarchs.

I agree with you. Now only oligarchs are losing their property, ordinary people do not suffer losses. I think that the Russian government took the right measures and was able to protect the population of Russia. The situation turned out to be quite the opposite -the one who invented them suffers from sanctions. Why is this happening everyone understands.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: be.open on May 04, 2022, 07:15:46 PM
And what about Russia? Quality of life in Russia? Where do people live better, in France, Germany, Switzerland,  Netherland or in Russia? Majority of Russians have a low quality of life, there isn't good life outside of Moscow and Saint Peterburg, am I wrong? Only these two cities, especially Moscow, are good.

So what? Russia always had a low quality of life when compared to Western Europe. The main reason is that despite being a major producer of the natural resources, Russia has never tried to become a manufacturer of finished goods. The corrupt politicians and oligarchs have benefitted from this trade and they have looted the national wealth over the past decades. And ironically, the same oligarchs are the hardest hit from the sanctions. Their houses and yachts are being seized. Ordinary Russians are not affected as much as these oligarchs.

I agree with you. Now only oligarchs are losing their property, ordinary people do not suffer losses. I think that the Russian government took the right measures and was able to protect the population of Russia. The situation turned out to be quite the opposite -the one who invented them suffers from sanctions. Why is this happening everyone understands.
You can’t even imagine how grateful Russia is to the West for this huge service in the form of sanctions imposed on it. This is something that could not be done by the efforts of internal politics without causing a split in society and strong unrest. The West did it from the outside, mainly to its own detriment (at least if we are talking about Europe), and the people of Russia only rallied more strongly. The tremendous misunderstanding of the Russian mentality played a cruel joke on the West.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: AmoreJaz on May 04, 2022, 11:57:51 PM
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Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

I think, Putin is regretting for the bad decision he took to attacked Ukraine resources which other countries are not happy about the attacked that happened few months ago that put Ukraine economy into trouble. Russian citizens are really feeling the sanction NATO imposed to Russian that is making Russian government to lose billions every week that is making their companies to start experiencing losses from their distribution both domestic and international. Based on the intervention of other countries, I believe Russian will definitely embrace peace to withdraw the launch they are planning to launch to Ukraine resources.

this is interesting to see what will happen for the next couple of months. both sides are heavily losing their weaponry as well as its people. maybe, is it time to put down their ego and talk peacefully. i am thinking that zelensky is just waitng for putin to change his mind and stop this war. he is amenable for whatever will be better for both countries.
so yeah, hopefully we will see some changes in the next couple of months.


Title: Re: Russia Was Prepared to Withstand Sanctions. Why Wasn't Europe Prepared to Impose
Post by: cabron on May 05, 2022, 02:26:02 AM
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Russia supply the world with most of their resources and many countries including europe depend on Russia for natural resources, so imposing sanctions on Russia is just like planing your trap. Putin was prepared for all the drama we are seeing now that is why it doesn't bother him at all. The war has not ended and Russia is planning to launch more attack in Ukraine despite the sanctions from NATO countries and the European Union.

I think, Putin is regretting for the bad decision he took to attacked Ukraine resources which other countries are not happy about the attacked that happened few months ago that put Ukraine economy into trouble. Russian citizens are really feeling the sanction NATO imposed to Russian that is making Russian government to lose billions every week that is making their companies to start experiencing losses from their distribution both domestic and international. Based on the intervention of other countries, I believe Russian will definitely embrace peace to withdraw the launch they are planning to launch to Ukraine resources.

this is interesting to see what will happen for the next couple of months. both sides are heavily losing their weaponry as well as its people. maybe, is it time to put down their ego and talk peacefully. i am thinking that zelensky is just waitng for putin to change his mind and stop this war. he is amenable for whatever will be better for both countries.
so yeah, hopefully we will see some changes in the next couple of months.

Russians are used to isolation and poverty so I'm not sure how we could see them feeling the sanctions since by the looks of it their economy is rising. Of course it could just be because they are using the gas and oil to increase ruble demand but in the end, the resources of Ukraine will  be useful  for Putin to support them.

I don't see them going to have a talk anymore unless US allows Ukraine to make negotiation. It's not up to Zelensky.  The peace talks depends to US if they still send weapons to Ukraine, that means war will not end.