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Didn't see any topics referring to this matter, have you seen what's happening in China? The government has locked people inside their homes, forcing them to have daily testing, police is separating them into quarantine camps (more like concentration camps) if test comes out positive or if experiencing symptoms, even mild. It's astonishing, that all countries are easing measures, since it's yet to be proven whether lockdowns were actually effective, China on the other hand is adopting zero case policies.

This type of lockdown didn't even occur at the start of the pandemic, where the virus was way more deadlier than it is now, after going through numerous mutations, without having medication and vaccines, which enable us to have very limited casualties, compared to 2 years ago.

Not only is it saddening, but also suspicious, is China hiding something else, or is it just being paranoid, imposing tyranny over its citizens? Let me also point out that China has a history of lying to organizations such as WHO about the severity of such infectious diseases (same thing happened with both Covid and SARS).

What are your thoughts regarding this matter?

IIRC Chinese vaccine wasn't very effective but they were able to contain early infections so the "survivors" immunity isn't widespread either. In these conditions the consequences of a COVID wave could be quite severe, depending on which strain they're getting. Like the first wave e.g. in Italy.

I think they're fucked either way, lockdown or no lockdown. But the rationale for the lockdown could be to avoid overwhelming the hospitals. Implemented in a typical for China totalitarian fashion. I've seen reports they're exterminating pets.

Europe and the U.S. are already slotted for self-destruction making it a great time for China to add further to their woes (or their people's/national business's woes) by having an embargo.  Doing the supply shut-off with a covaids hoax alleviates some of the trade-war diplomatic problems.  'Fighting covid; what can we do?'  When they come back on-line (and celebrate with mass public swimming events) there will be vastly less competition globally.  Then they can sell crappy Chinese shit for German prices...for decades.

Internally Shanghai has always been more productive than Beijing so their has been tension between the two.  Beijing always wins because they've got the seat-of-govt status and make the rules.  Probably starving out Shanghai and beating the Shanghai-ese peeps into the ground is one more example of Beijing fucking Shanghai in the ass because Beijing is non-competitive otherwise.  My guess.

Earlier I posited that the Chinese should use their (upcoming) takeover of Taiwan to steal the ROC govt and seat them in Beijing, Taiwan being a much better society in almost any conceivable way.  A better idea would seem to me to be for Shanghai, Hong-Kong, and maybe even Canton and Chengdu, to team up with Taiwan and roll back the mistake 'the people' made back in 1949.  Hopefully before the 'great reset' folks (who built up CCP in order to parasitize the country once they collapsed the West) put the 'great leap forward' mortality figures (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine) to shame.

I think this is a China's policy of "zero tolerance" for covid-19, brought to the point of absurdity, and maybe a little more trade war with the United States.

Video (https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/u5cno0/people_starved_in_shanghais_lockdown_becoming/) of fishing with a drone in Shanghai so as not to starve to death.

Well countries surrounding China should be happy they are adopting the zero  tolerance because if not, covid of any variant could spread once again. The Chinese are confident that way though, they are more cooperative to their government than trying to impress their neighbors that they can fight back the police or so. It may look like concentration camp but its for the best. People just have to follow what authorities are doing for it to be over.


If you are however some sort of a conspiracy theorist, you may really have to be suspicious that it took so long for them to contain this variant unlike in the 2020. OR was it true already that they are just gagging the supply chain so the countries relying to the products from them will experience scarcity.  Its all that we could speculate, nothing more or less.

Vaccines aren't supposed to prevent inflections, still, their effectiveness could be worse than the ones we have in Europe and US, but still doesn't make sense. When the pandemic started, China wasn't that paranoid about new infections, what changed now?

This situation will have serious effects in the supply chain, we were f*cked with Covid the past two years, the war hasn't stopped, and now China is implementing policies like these.

New mutation or not, it's not sensible to have such strict measures, when the rest of the Western world is easing measures.

They locked down Wuhan early on. Foreign travel was severely restricted. I don't think anything really changed, they always had the intent to contain it completely.


I can't argue that it's sensible - most of the actions of the Chinese government don't make sense to me, and starving their citizens is definitely one of those things.

But the immunity levels are most likely very different between China and the West where almost everyone had some strain of COVID.

China has been like that all the times so there is no wonder in my opinion but I saw some news that new variant started to spread not really serious restrictions from any other countries yet, suspicious its been there all the time even Trump used to call it as China virus but nothing came out and people used to it so as of now we can consider this as precaution from China so avoid spread and their government used to follow it.

Countries surrounding China will be happy for the Chinese government adopting zero-tolerance cause no one wants the previous spread of the virus that happened in Wuhan to repeat again but there's always a way to do something which all the country's citizens will obey the government order rather than locking people inside their homes and forcing them to take a daily test.

Seems more like they created the Covid virus to fight the united states' economy.
And since they are big seller's to China, they produced and sold equipment to the United States to tripple it's economy.
Now it's back for them.ohh karma! :-\

Certainly, they did have strict policies since the beginning, but I don't recall seeing such action taken against their citizens. They've literally locked them up, with no access to anywhere, while the government is distributing food that to me, doesn't look enough for a household.

Certainly, they didn't have as many infections as Europe and USA, but it looks incredibly cruel to see such practices.
A new mutation could possibly be more transmitting, but it certainly won't be as deadly, no point in taking such measures. If this situation continues, we'll face serious logistic and supply chain issues. There aren't any advantages with this policy.

When whole world finally learned that lockdowns isn't solution, especially in long term, China continue their zero cases policy. While in most part of world majority of people already have immunity either after getting infected or getting vaccine (or both) and we can live normal life without thinking about covid related restrictions, China still continue to keep their peope in the bubble. And I don't see any other reason of these lockdowns than thotal control of people. Because 2 years was enough to learn that lockdowns don't eliminate covid, it can only reduce spread of it.

I'm not sure why neighbours of China should be happy. They all covid in their countries with multiple variants, no matter China have strict lockdown or no. Like in 2020 when China imposed lockdown, but it didn't helped and covid spread out to whole globe.
Concentration camps for the best - it's easy to say it when you don't live in China. And the way China is fighting with Covid - it won't be over anytime soon.
BTW, Australia had similar Covid policy with concentration camps, but I think they already started to change their attitude.

In early 2020, Chinese citizens were locked inside their apartments, and people starved to death. The "lockdowns" employed by the West was something exported from China. Prior to covid, "lockdowns" were not considered to be something health officials considered to prevent the spread of contagious viruses.
China did not report having as many infections as Western countries did. The Chinese government also lies. I draw different conclusions than you.

There is no borders for the virus, we all know how fast it can spread and now I can see the 4th wave on most of the mainstream media, didn't see it personally but it started somewhere so if it's real soon we can see the cases all over the world not just in China so they are preparing while others lessen the restrictions so possibly still they can make profits by doing the same thing again if it spreads.

China was the first country to come up with lockdown measures, however, I don't recall them being so harsh. This situation has gone out of control, the measures weren't so absurdly strict, they're dragging people out of their homes and euthanizing pets, that's ridiculous.

Certainly, it was the first country to lie about Covid-19, if it wasn't for their cover-up during the early stages of the pandemic, we would have avoided many deaths in Italy and other European countries, who were severely affected.

The People's Republic of China has locked down Shanghai and even other parts of China (I work with some people from Shenzhen) for many purposes outside of the guise that is a pandemic "safety" reasons. It is for cracking down on dissenters that would disagree with the government and their oppressive measures. And most importantly, to shift production from a peacetime economy to a wartime economy hence taking over Taiwan and leveraging the Solomon Islands for further conquests.


Australia ‘Disappointed’ After Solomons Signs China Pact

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-20/australia-deeply-disappointed-after-solomons-signs-china-pact


Shanghai Lockdown the real reason:

 http://198.46.190.126/videos/chinawar.mp4

Well, not sure if a 0 case policy is something that can be maintained at all, lockdown or not. The bigger issue is it's causing issues in the Chinese economic system as well as social structure. People have been locked in their homes, distributed little amounts of food, and children being taken from their families (because they are infected) and taken to lengthy hospital stays. Some of those things are changing, but this is a completely ridiculous, however, expected behavior by the Chinese government. The common people are struggling since the pandemic started and this seems to be the last nail in some of their caskets.

               I for one never really heard about this anywhere here in my country be it on local social media or news on the television. I never would've been informed about this if not for a friend who teaches english as second language online to chinese children. She told me about lockdowns happening there a couple weeks back which she heard from her own students themselves. I'm guessing that China is trying to not let this news spread or maybe it's because of the coming elections in my country. Maybe the media are too focused on the elections right now so they didn't tackle about this? Anyway, the way op expressed this js pretty scary.

Lockdowns actually work, just not in any colloquial sense or under democratic republics. If you can physically isolate people within their homes and enforce isolation, then the virus can't spread. The issue with any lockdown the West tried was people were still mobile. People still went to the grocery store, to work, out with friends etc and then most transmission would end up happening in the home. The CCP, like with most communists, are okay with letting people die and violating basic human rights, so confining people to their homes and not allowing them to leave even to go to the grocery store was as close to a true lockdown as possibly obtainable. China lied about their numbers, but there was reporting when Wuhan and other regions went into lockdown and when cities began opening up again back in 2020. Seemed like China may be successful in their lockdown strategy as long as they can drive people to to near suicide by physical isolation. If people starve to death, that's just a bonus to them.

To think there were authoritarians that wanted to adopt China's method.

Well, it did work up until the Delta variant, China had very few cases till the Omicron variant appeared. It was kind of expected, since after so many mutations, the virus becomes more contagious, but less deadly at the same time, thus, it was bound to happen sooner or later. I don't get all this fuss about China's government policy of zero cases, eventually, we'll have to live with the virus, it's not that big of a deal.

In early 2020, people were being sealed in their homes. There are reports of some people starving to death.

The Chinese government controls what information leaves its country the overwhelming majority of the time. I don't think it is an accident that specific videos about the lockdowns are "leaking" to the outside world now.

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No, I don't think the lockdowns ever worked in China.

Even in China, people are allowed to go out to get groceries, although it is regulated. China is more densely populated, so if one person is infected in an apartment building, there is the potential that many others will also get infected via the ventilation system. If one person is infected goes to the grocery store, others at the store may also get infected, and they may spread the virus to others in their own apartment building.

There are also too many other means of transmission that lockdowns will not prevent. For example, the Chinese economy relies too heavily on exports to not allow people from entering into the country (and into certain areas) to pick up goods intended for export. These people can potentially transmit covid to others.

It is very sad to read and see that some countries are still seriously being plague by covid after the breakout. China's situation has been one of worse so far, and it's effect is widespread even to the economic sector. Buying of goods and procurement of materials from China has become difficult again, a problem facing people who are business oriented and depend on China for supply.

Apparently they are "very serious" this time. In one vid I saw, they even built fences around a few block of buildings to keep the people inside. Probably not as terrifying as welding the doors of units shut but still...


I did saw several theories about it. It also have the effect of disrupting the global supply chain and I'm assuming that'll figure later with several food warehouses in the US "accidentally" erupting into flames within a few days of each other.

Yup, it's getting worse and worse overtime, it's practically inevitable to have zero infections, thus, chances are that the quarantine measures will get stricter as time passes by, since cases are bound to increase, due to the very contagious Omicron variant.

On top of that, the supply chain will be disrupted once again, it happened the last two years with Covid-19, it's happening now with the Ukrainian - Russian war, this is just the icing on the cake.

Last I checked in the news the official deathtoll in Shanghai was around 20. Even with conspiracy theory that they were just locking up people to disrupt the supply chain (or refocus the industry for war in Taiwan and they don't want civilians running around), I don't buy those numbers. And we only managed to find out the situation in Shanghai, apparently they were locking down the same way throughout. The Philippine ambassador who just arrived from his home country died in quarantine in Huangshan and they wouldn't reveal the reason, which is telling. The man is in his 70s, if it's not a covid death they can just say so.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised with anything. I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist, however, there are more than a few instances that China has been found hiding evidence and information. As I've mentioned in older posts, they've also hid information from WHO, regarding SARs in the past and now with Covid-19.

I haven't been paying much attention to China lately, due to the Ukrainian war, however, I highly doubt that something is going to change for the better.

Anything that China releases to the rest of the world is intentional. Any "zero covid" strategy is not going to work. There are simply too many reasons for which humans much interact with each other in order to survive. I agree that any numbers released by the Chinese government should not be trusted.

It is possible that China is intentionally messing with supply chains to make it more costly to sanction them once they decide to invade Taiwan.

Seems plausible, and I put it forward as a hypothesis before.  Maybe that is where you got the idea.

I've heard from (reports of) some foreigners working in Shanghai that the people who are most likely to 'test positive' for 'covid-19' are also those who seem like the type who would have a relatively lower 'social credit score'.  In other words, not say enough good things about the nation's leadership and that sort of thing.

I could certainly imagine doing certain sorts of 'corrective procedures' to people who may be a 'threat to society'.  The state of technology is probably such that the 'correction' might not be even very noticeable by the subject.  The 'quarantine facilities' wouldn't be your grandfather's re-education camp.  The subject may just notice that they feel a little more 'happy' after a stay in their box.

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If they really are doing this, then they better start with the invasion quickly. Supply eventually expands to meet demands. It can get to the point where by restricting your own supply it'll encourage production elsewhere.


Conspiracy or not I guess we can all agree that the Chinese government is pretty opaque. It also doesn't help that we know what they want - more power - and there are less restriction on what they would be capable of.

Didn't notice that there were new replies on the thread. Honestly, I don't believe that it has to do anything with Taiwan, I've heard it in the past, thus I wouldn't completely rule it out. I don't trust the Chinese government at all, they could have prevented the crisis of March 2020, but decided to hide it. I have an old acquaintance of mine in Shanghai, he's married there, and as I've seen from his post, he's claiming that the measures are worse than those in the start of the pandemic.

So it's worse there? Well if it's a new variant then they better do good job keeping it in there. Although they do seem to be taking draconian measures. Just saw a vid of man still alive in a bodybag.

Unfortunately, I can't post his photos, since they are personal, but the situation is pretty bad. They are forced to stay inside at all times, while going outside comes with strict time restriction (a few minutes at most), wearing a full protective suit, from head to toe, similar to a spacesuit, for specific very specific reasons, such as picking up necessary rations etc. It's astonishing.

One wonders if the leaders are simply ignorant, or if Shanghai is being used as some kind of testing ground for some specific agenda.

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I also found it peculiar it don't seem to be making the news on TV. Maybe they're not reporting about it coz it's election season. The only reason I'm seeing these is I get recommended vids from China-focused channels. 

At this point can't really tell how serious the situation is, after all it's the CCP we're dealing with. They do seem to be taking extreme measures so it's possible it's some new strain they haven't publicized yet. They went from welding apartment doors to encaging entire streets.


Hmmmm... what could that be?  ;D There's so many rumors floating around. Some says to restrict supply chain. Some say to reorient the industry for an invasion of Taiwan. Some even claim this is a spat between Beijing and Shanghai. More drama than Game of Thrones LOL.

To see if the lockdowns really work, or if they cause the disease(s) to spread.

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Scientifically though, viruses usually become more transmittable after multiple mutations, however, their mortality rate drops. Especially with the Omicron variant, deaths have fallen significantly and we're talking about a country with 90% vaccination coverage, thus, I can't see why all this madness is occurring.

I'm not quite sure what's going on, however, I'm mostly tending towards that they are continuing a policy of zero cases, which can no longer be imposed due to the new variants.

Only time will tell.

Yesterday I saw video about Chinese governments strict lockdown they are forcing the people stay inside the place wherever they are and screw the doors with all the people inside this is cruel and I didn't see main stream media is talking about this. Is this a sign of another uncontrollable wave so China started their preparation before everyone.

I haven't heard about this yet, however, it's true I don't see much media coverage regarding such a sensitive subject. I'm not surprised about anything, they were even euthanizing pets whose owners were found positive for Covid-19, this is madness, I couldn't imagine myself living like that.

If China were in a lockdown and quarantine. Recent pictures wouldn't see people walking around, but show a "ghost town" pictures... I see people in the latest pictures. Evaluation: People can still move freely Assessment: Western media need to do more research

Depends on the area, lockdown as a form of quarantine isn't lasting forever, an old acquintance of mine who is married in Shanghai told me that parts of the city were put on strict lockdown for a couple of days (8-10~), restricting movement and so on. It's clearly not a lie that the whole situation is inhumane, Police was beating down citizens, forcing Covid-19 tests with violence, or even killing residential pets. Distorted or not, it's unacceptable.

Well that's OK, aside from protecting their privacy from the public also don't want them to look like they are complaining about the situation. Full hazmat? They didn't required that even in 2020.

LOL  ;D

IMHO they might work, MIGHT. Considering it's China it's probably okay to stuff a family in their apartment so that they all catch it to prevent them spreading it to other families. Hahaha!

There have been various supply chain issues since covid started over two years ago, although they have gotten worse as of recently. I agree that markets will eventually adjust and supply chains will originate from elsewhere, although China is also the source of certain materials that is not available elsewhere.

In any event, China likely is going to invade Tiawon during Biden's presidency because it knows that Biden is too weak to respond militarily. They may be waiting to see how the situation in Ukraine plays out.

Yes, it is hard to decouple from China immediately same way it's hard to suddenly stop oil from Russia. It'll take time to bring production back to the US for example.

As for the invasion, that's a possibility. They wouldn't wait for the Republicans to come back to the White House.

It is much easier to transition off oil/gas from Russia than it is to transition off of imports from China. The energy that is imported from Russia is already produced elsewhere throughout the world, and these places just need to increase production. Much of what is imported from China is largely only produced in China, so manufacturing will need to be setup elsewhere.

I think it is probably safe to assume that China (and Russia) has compromising information on Biden, which is why he has been so soft on both countries. I can't see Biden significiently pushing back against China in response to an invasion of Tiawon.