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Hello everyone, I'm sorry if I write with errors, I do the translation through a translator because English is not my native language. I registered on this site about 2 weeks ago to bet on Rolland Garros, baseball and basketball. Passed 2 levels of verification on the site. Since May 21, she has made deposits of more than $100,000.
Here are some of my additions:
1. https://etherscan.io/tx/0xc63728abc2e4e67654a181cc620fe1f9506b25b8365e928b04a461011c8ec7b5
2. https://etherscan.io/tx/0x1314e03025d3b9046b4623b276baf5dd2f8b42fc0a857a77a329e3bd55692524
3. https://etherscan.io/tx/0x944ebe77e3a5310edfdbcd7017ffdfda6cb581f03fe7c6f93bba98d937eeab9c

I made withdrawals for about a total of about 80 thousand dollars, mainly due to winnings in the slot machine. I was also assigned the status of VIP platinum 3. After that, they made me the maximum bet on sports top events is very small and I wanted to withdraw my remaining 40 thousand dollars, but I was not allowed to do this. I contacted the chat and they told me that I need to write to them by mail, so I did. I waited for an answer by mail for exactly 5 days and they told me that I needed to send a selfie with a sheet of today's date and with a passport in my hand. I sent them everything they need. After waiting 3 more days, I received the following response:

Hello,

You have been banned on all of your accounts as you have been found guilty of breaching our terms of service (creating multiple accounts) as stated under item number 11. Prohibited Uses - Personal Use. Please see https://stake.com/policies/terms for further reference.

Regards,
Stake

I have no idea what multi-accounts they are talking about, and why was it necessary to ask me for my selfie if they are not going to pay anyway? My account is currently in the "withdrawal stage". But any conclusions are prohibited. I wrote to them in the chat, they also answered me that I need to write to them by mail. But the mail has been ignoring me for the 4th day. Please tell me who has come across this site and such an attitude towards customers? where should i file a complaint against them? I tried to write to Curacao, and I'm waiting for a response from them. I am also attaching some of my sports bets in case they suddenly want to accuse me of fictitious matches, as well as other participants in this forum. All bets were on top events.

1. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33689466&modal=bet
2. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33712166&modal=bet
3. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33709748&modal=bet
4. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33652169&modal=bet
5. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33713208&modal=bet
6. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33708570&modal=bet
7. https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A33802000&modal=bet

Stake.com is a solid casino. I am sure there is a misunderstanding or something. Or maybe you indeed breached their terms of services. Let’s wait for their response. They are very active in the forum. I am yet to see an unhappy stake.com customer. I think you are not going to be an exception.

I would suggest archiving(www.archive.is) your bets and posting a screenshot of their E-mail response as well.

Does your ISP provide you with a dynamic IP? it's possible some other user shared your IP address and now they are using it as an excuse to hold your pay.

Gather your evidence, and post it at r/sportsbook as well.

r/sportsbook is a community of hardcore sports bettors, many are whales just like you. I will help your reddit post get some visibility there.

If they stick with their decision after a week, contact their gambling license provider in Curaçao.

Can you login right now? or not?

"withdrawal stage"? does that mean you can only withdraw from your account? if that is the case why won't they allow you to withdraw the 40K? did they say that the fund is confiscated? or they are the ones who will manually send you the funds?

you should try contacting their forum representative here Stunna (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81292) and Symphonized (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1928906) or try posting on their thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.0) for more exposure.

I can be on my account, but I did not log out of it, because I am afraid that later I will not be able to log into it again. Thank you very much, I made all the archives of my bets and also requested the statistics of my account, if they don’t answer me in the near future, I will do as you advised. No one uses my IP address except me, the account belongs only to me and only I made the bet.

Yes, statistics will help. Since they deliver statistics via E-mail, it will be good evidence proving your account's existence, ownership, and bets.

As other users have suggested, post a link to this thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589

Stunna is a well-respected member of this forum, and if your case is honest then I am confident that he will get it resolved.

Yes, when I log into my account, I get the following message: Sorry, your account is on the withdrawal only protocol. Please do not refuse the help of the support service for protection.
When I contact the chat, they send me to their mail, on which they do not answer me. Their last message from the mail, after I sent them my photos, was as follows:
hello,

You have been banned on all of your accounts as you have been found guilty of breaching our terms of service (creating multiple accounts) as stated under item number 11. Prohibited Uses - Personal Use. Please see https://stake.com/policies/terms for further reference.

Regards,
Stake

I don't understand what to do

I talked to OP over telegram;
1.) They do not reside in a prohibited jurisdiction
2.) They do use a VPN, but it shouldn't be a problem since it wasn't used to circumvent jurisdiction restriction(as the last few lines of clause 11 states)
3.) They did ask live chat whether using a VPN will be a problem, and they said no.
4.) They are ready to provide any further verification, from submitting additional documents to recording a video. They are ready to do it.

For now I fail to see a valid reason to halt their withdrawal.

With such high stakes, bonuses and promotions are not cheated by doing a multi-account, they are too small in comparison to the amounts wagered. But contests could be cheated by such accounts. Then I think prizes paid could be kept by Stake during their investigations, but there is no reason to keep all his funds. And to take days to reply him.

What odds provider bc use ?

You failed to see a valid reason without Stake addressing first the issue?, its OP side of the story, let us read first Stake's side of the story, before making a conclusion, Stake has an allegation of cheating and breaching their TOS and OP willing to defend let them discuss it here without taking a side.

Stake has already given their reason, breach of clause 11. Read the thread and post before replying.

Another 2 days have passed, but the situation has not changed, Stake.com also ignores all my messages, does not withdraw money and does not answer my letters

It's strange that no one else has shown any interest in this thread.

Could you post screenshots of all the conversations you had with them? Make sure to censor your personal details, but keep the username.
It will strengthen your allegation and maybe then it will garner interest of other members.

Have you included this thread in your communication, if not yet you should for them to become aware of the issue if they are aware they will send a representative and they will announce an investigation, this is not good and a big concern for OP this is such a big amount, I hope you can have a fair decision on this issue.

 https://imgur.com/a/jvB28uH

A couple of conversations with live chat are in Russian, so I asked OP to provide me with their text. So that I can translate it and post it here
Translation of live chats: https://pastebin.com/qXeG8M1V

Live chat wasn't of much help, they would ask OP to contact accounts@stake.com ad infinitum

And so they did. :
https://i.imgur.com/re2mpz2.png


Please note that OP's account was already verified till Level 2  before the suspension and they did make multiple withdrawals without any problem
https://i.imgur.com/JrZC8ok.png

OP provided them with the requested documents within the time limit.


It took Stake 5 days to respond:
https://i.imgur.com/SrtZQQv.png



Even though it says "Withdraw only mode" https://i.imgur.com/UpBlDJh.png , they are unable to make any:

https://i.imgur.com/X787Qo2.png


My conclusion:
->OP has clearly proved their identity, and are ready to provide further verification(if asked for).
->They made a deposit from Binance(check original post for the transactions).
->They did use VPN. But it shouldn't be a problem, and many stake users do use it:
https://stakecommunity.com/topic/36688-does-stake-allow-access-through-vpn/
https://stakecommunity.com/topic/28281-what-will-happen-if-someone-plays-at-a-gambling-site-using-vpn/
->OP is from a war-torn country(your first guess will be correct; Additional hint: it starts with U), and 40k USD isn't a small amount for anyone residing there. A spilled wine would stain the forehead of any man or woman there(I will be very happy if you get the reference), given how the conditions are.
->Stake is using the most absurd clause of their Terms to deny OP their 40k USD. What's stopping them from using it on anybody? and why even ask for further verification (https://i.imgur.com/re2mpz2.png) if you have no intention of paying.
->If OP was using multiple accounts then how come they had no problems with their small withdrawals, but only WHEN they tried a big withdrawal constituting their entire profit(check statistics: https://i.imgur.com/mzMsx75.png)

This reeks. And I hope someone other than me will understand OP's position.

I had my own troubles with stake in the past, and they got resolved when Stunna got involved. I hope Stunna won't ignore this case. I have messaged them as well.

I can see books(eg:1xbit) getting what they deserve, I hope Stake won't get preferential treatment just because they are big and got Drake? And can stream more slots to kids on twitch? And ban users from war-torn countries from withdrawing their profits? Please.

Thank you for the effort.
Many signature compaign users will come to say stake is big blabbla
I see a lot of scam accusations against Stake last few months
Hope everyone to becareful.

This post reminds me of the guy that figured out some hack on gameart/isoftbet slots a while ago.



What were your biggest wins, and on which games?

According to Stake OP had multiple accounts.
Check their Email response and my summary about it.

It isn't due to match fixing or rigging. From what I have seen from past cases. Stake is usually descriptive with such cases and leave nothing for interpretation(I checked previous allegations upon stake on this forum).

This one stands out as a genuine case and seems very 1xBet'esque.



Maybe stake has joined the likes of 1xbet, casumo and other scammy fiat books. I hope not.

This is what I mean by 1xbet'esque : https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M

There's no chance Stake would seize players money simply because they have more than one account.  I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of stake regulars have more than one account.  There's more to the story.



That video is just describing casinos.  They exist to make a profit, pretty much all of them.  That doesn't make all of them scam casinos like 1xbit, which, in the long run I would argue could be much more successful if scamming players wasn't part of their business model.

Like I said, check previous allegations on this forum.
Stake replies with a very descriptive reason when they ban someone.
This time it was clause 11, personal use - multiple accounts. They mentioned it explicitly not once, but twice AFTER suspending OP's account.

Please don't act it as if those screenshots don't even exist.


I am repeating myself here, I wouldn't have to if you went through the thread even once.

Or just read my conclusion
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984.msg60283976#msg60283976



Have you even seen the video?
The guy is a customer "account" supervisor and he's talking about online gambling.


and I meant 1xbet here, not 1xbit. 1xbit is nothing but a small fly.
Search 1xbet scam, and you will get to know what I mean.



Again, please read the post and entire thread before making any replies here. Thank you.

Out of all the previous allegations on this forum against casinos you're familiar with, how often did you believe that the player was sharing the whole story and not intentionally leaving out or making up details in attempt to make themselves look like more of a victim than they really are...in order to pressure the casino to pay them money they aren't actually entitled to.

Like I said, Stake won't just freeze your funds because you have multiple accounts.  Don't be naive, there is more to this story,

Also, 1xbit and 1xbet are the same company.

If there was more to the story then why didn't Stake declare so in the communication?

Why did it become a problem only WHEN OP started to withdraw a substantial amount , which is coincidentally(?) equal to their profit.

Why did Stake ask for additional verification if it was for nothing?

I have raised these questions in my conclusion, so please refrain from making any additional replies which amount to nothing except for diluting the seriousness of OP's claim.

You have have already made up your decision, but it's based on a fallacy and biased reasoning.


And no, 1xbit is a small scam, they had an active sig campaign on this forum until last week.
They aren't the same. Bit and bet are different words too.

They haven't finished their investigation yet.  If they're asking for more and more kyc documents, it means they're investigating something and they think he's someone that's cheated somehow.  Probably someone they've caught multiple times.  Eventually he'll get an explanation. hopefully Stunna shares what he can in this thread.  My money is still on some sort of third party slot exploit.

I've been playing there pretty much since they launched, and prime dice before that, and I'm telling you, it's rare anyone get's their funds frozen.  Even when they ban accounts, they just put you in withdraw only mode.  You get caught living in a restricted country?  Still get paid.  Using a bunch of accounts for promos?  Still get paid.  If funds are frozen, it means they think you basically robbed them somehow.  And you gotta remember, someone that figures out how to rob them, they aren't just going to stop because they got caught.  THey're going to make another account and try again.  And when they do get caught, this forum gives them another shot at getting paid anyway - all they have to do is make the damage to stakes rep worth more than the amount they're trying to collect.



I could go find the posts with all the evidence, including court documents, linking 1xbit and 1xbet to the same Russian company, 1xCorp, despite the 1xbit rep insisting they were completely separate, but then you wouldn't learn how to figure it out for yourself.

You are again not in touch with the thread. Please stop making replies. It's really not helping anyone.

They asked for more KYC in one email, almost 9 days back. OP even got a reply via Email on 30th May(5 days after submitting required KYC).
PLEASE CHECK MY SUMMARY TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE.
Please go through the screenshots again.

I won't be discussing the other part of your reply since it's off topic. You are free to create a new topic, I will reply reply there.

If you believe 1xbit and 1xbet are the same companies, you are free to pursue it on some other thread.

This post reminds me of the guy that figured out some hack on gameart/isoftbet slots a while ago.



What were your biggest wins, and on which games?


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Basically, slots from Push Gaming (Jaminn jars, Razor Shark, Big Bamboo) managed to win a couple of times 15-17k for a bonus, but before that I lost a lot in Play n go. Does it really matter what slots I played?

Slots is the bread and butter of Stake.
Every other streamer is playing slots on stake when you open Twitch. It definitely shouldn't be a problem.

Stake has already provided their reason, and have stuck to it. It will only make them seem more guilty if they provide some other reason now and change their narration.

I've seen them go silent for weeks while waiting for various investigations to be concluded while giving up very little info in the mean time.  What I haven't seen is any case where a player had their funds frozen simply because they had multiple accounts. 

It's weird how belligerent you're acting in defense of this unknown player, giving them the benefit of doubt with zero reputation making a claim about one of the most established sites in crypto (if you go back to the beginnings of primedice).  Were you offered any sort of compensation for successfully helping OP get paid? 

Regardless, I think you need to give Stunna some time to respond before making any conclusions. 

Not saying that this isn't potentially real - just odd since the company makes an insane amount of money per month, why would they risk it all with what is a 'small' deposit/win for them

Hope the fact Eddie is Russian the OP is Ukrainian have nothing to do with this.

Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine who can't speak English to be able to present their case?
Sympathy? Do you know what it means? and how it makes people help out strangers?  Maybe bitcointalk needs a good samaritan law lol

I guess you really can't help people without being prosecuted yourself here.

Here's my entire convo with OP on tele **just to prove you wrong AGAIN**
https://imgur.com/a/XRo3Rnd

Thanks for spoiling my day.
 
I know you are butthurt because I called you out multiple times for your garbage posting and how none of your replies match the context.

Also, I have told you multiple times already. Read my summary.


Welcome to my ignore list.





OP was able to make multiple small withdrawals tho, without any problem.
They suspended their account when they tried withdrawing their profit.


Edit: the order in my imgur post is skewed, made another post in chronological order https://imgur.com/a/UjDWIOE

If you don't believe in screenshots, here's a video
https://youtu.be/pjfs5i0UXzI


Thanks again for spoiling my mood for the rest of the day  :)

In case you're naïve enough to just take their word, OP is an unknown person using a forum account that was created 3 days ago with the intention of convincing the community they are a victim.  Don't assume anything more or you'll end up with a broken heart in no time.

And even if you have verified their gender and country, scammers come in all shapes, sizes, genders and nationalities.  This is the internet.

Let me begin by clarifying that I am not taking any side here. Just a neutral observer.

This is a brief description of a situation, if I understood correctly. The casino alleges the user is multi-accounting, which violates their Terms of Service. The casino then asks the user to provide additional documents for ID verification. The user complies and submits the required documents, but the casino remains firm on its original stance of multi-accounting. Did I get this right or did I miss something?

There are a few things that do not make sense to me. If the casino has irrefutable evidence that a particular user has violated the ToS, why are they requesting additional ID verification? Is it possible that ID verification could challenge the evidence they already have?

Yup, this is what OP wanted to know.
I got judged & ridiculed by some member for trying to shed more light on their case to help them get these answers.

Once a month something like this is posted by a brand new account acting innocent and putting on a show to try and get some money. Not sure why they choose to waste everyone's time with some bs story about how they were innocently placing some bets and were randomly restricted. It never works, any integrity team investigation is done completely independently to what is posted here.

Stake has millions of users and for someone to be suspended from the website in a situation like OP is describing is not arbitrary. We don't suspended users for just having multi-accounts we suspend them for using multiple accounts for the sake of abuse.

This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts.



 ::)



Better explanation of our actions can be viewed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984.msg60314378#msg60314378

Hello Stunna. I am very glad that you paid attention to my problem, it is immediately clear that you value your Players very much.

You accuse me of 15+ accounts, but at the same time you say that you do not ban players for multi-accounts. Have I abused sports betting for profit? Doesn't a player have the right to bet on sports on a gambling site?  If this accusation is indeed true  then why didn't you take action when there were 10+ or 14+ accounts? Does your security system work only after 15 accounts? Or were your losses tolerable? And why did you ask for my ID if you had already decided everything for yourself a long time ago? Are you mentioning my family and their id? Only my sister registered on your site using my referral link, is this prohibited? In my opinion, she even lost about 7 thousand dollars. As a partner, I didn’t see the statistics and the payout for it either.

We will not give back your money for the fact that you bet on sports, and periodically won, and your account became a plus, but while you were losing, everything was very good and we were happy to accept deposits.In addition, you have 15+ accounts that also had a large profit on sports betting, but we could not find them before, and decided not to pay just now?We have undeniable evidence, but we will not provide it?  and how are determining my ancestory to find such "extended family" of mine? Have you been to my city to find my distant relatives? How is this all determined?

Can you provide my exact stats on sports and casino instead of just presenting it in this manner(via only words)?

With all respect Stunna you have conflicts in your words
If you cannot ban for multi accounts then why ban him ?
Also is there proof of the 15accounts linked ?
Beside all that you claim be abuse the system
Stake offer no deposit bonus to be abused by multi accounts by arbitrage.
I assume you ban him because he is a winner of he is a loser he mostly welcome
Better pay the player as things doesn't looks good based from your answer

 
Stake isn't limited to just people on bitcointalk now. You guys went global with a partnership with Drake and got streamers on twitch playing slot almost 24x7
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots

OOT suggestion: The integrity department of Stake should expand its scope and include basic human ethics as well  ;)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1125170/twitch-app-us-users-age/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334397/


What I still fail to understand is, how can someone make any kind of profit by creating multiple accounts?
Were they farming referral bonus? But given how there's almost a 10%~15% house edge on sports betting, it's impossible to farm a referral bonus. Maths won't add up.

The only explanation would be betting on rigged matches by using multiple accounts? But we don't see any such claim made by Stunna or Stake in their original communication. Their bets aren't on E-sports either(which is very prone to fixing). Most of them are on major football leagues, french open, basketball leagues, etc and OP has been transparent in sharing all of their bet slips.

Personally, I am left with only one explanation, which is 1xBet'esque: Banning winners, keeping losers  https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M


Again, this is my opinion on the matter. I would love to see more explanation over this. Because I am not content with Stunna's current explanation.


OP has raised some good questions too.

Different players have different limits on how much they can wager.  If they think you've found an edge somewhere, they lower your limits for those types of matches.  If they think you're a whale, you get higher limits. One way to get around the lower limits is just make a bunch of new accounts.  if you get caught you can always try to gain sympathy by posting on bitcointalk to try and extort Stake while pretending to be a girl from a country that just got invaded by Russia.

We know that you obsessed with Stake and you love stake and a fan
But don't let your emotions blind you .
Logically the odds providers limit winners all sportsbooks does that .beside Stunna admitted they don't ban you for multi accounts but he have no evidence or anything orbhow the user abused the system
The word abuse used for casinos offer deposit bonus where players arbitrage to get the bonuses
In this case Stake offer no deposit bonus what kind of advantage the player get ? Rather than being a winner nit he even said the only account her sister used is on loss.


Be reasonable it's a problem if all your posts a nonsense and 1 sided .

I hope this signature compaigns stop it's just brings spam to this forum

Also does Stunna think every player in the Stake come from Bitcointalk? And if someone got problem he must have a reputable bitcointalk account ?
That's again nosense.  And no logic behind it usually after a person get in trouble with a casino a some search they find bitcointalk same as the victims of 1xbit . It's another problem if this logic Stunna shows is what he does to judge players .
Stake not what used to be

I have ignored the said user. I can see they have made another reply.
I imagine what happened to their "there has to be something more to this than just multiple accounts" stance  ???

I was 100% correct.



If your girlfriend wants to demonstrate he's been telling the truth, first thing he should do is disable ghost mode and unhide statistics.

https://i.snipboard.io/ZHETiR.jpg

I advice the OP to open a complain against Stake at Casino Guru.

Would you advise they claim their profit was from slots or betting sports on 15+ accounts to circumvent limits?

First of all. The player Said he have 2 accounts. Second Stunna said they doesn't ban for multi accounts but he don't back his words not any evidence of the 15 accounts also stake doesn't offer deposit bonus to be abused it's just a proof they want losers not winners
In a previous post I told you to use logic but from the beginning you a one sided person  
Stunna  says he have millions of users but 0.1% of them deposit 100k+ it's called selective scamming. After they select whales to scam they let minions like you who deposit withdraw 100usd speak for them.

Why you worry he post at casino guru ? There no beggars or signature compaigns with no logic to judge .or a blinded 1 sided lover.  

Since you not that smart let me put it to you this way
A casino with 100k plus players instead of scamming 400user for 100 USD each or 4000user for 10usd each
They can get an Ukraine or Russian person with 40000usd accuse him for multi accounts Wich everyone does and being a winner.
Why get 40000 scam accusation while for same amount they can get only 1.
Untill now I see stake mistake even stunna words just proved they are wrong. It's either ban all multi accounts people or don't. Don't select.
.for @twitchyseal man hope not all your 1000+ posts is not dumb with no  basic logic. Love is hard.

And for @stunna bet365 is like 100 times bigger than stake and they are selective scammers they don't pay big winners they need legal persuits to pay big winners
Search Google about them you will find hundreds of issues in famouns news outlets not words from some signature beggars In a forum
What you do now is selective scam I have 2 accounts at stake and since I loss I never had problem ?

@twitchseal be on topic. your comments are just off topic, following this case for 2-3 days and i still don't see how it can be possible to have the account banned just because of multiple accounts, i use stake for 5 years, and i have 4 accounts all minimum bronze... i am arround 120k$ on minus on all of them but, if i was to be on profit would I be banned?

myself i got a situation with stake a week ago where I was banned for having my account compromised but I was still using same device, same 2fa, no password change. after 2-3 chats i've been told i've been banned because i played illegal games on sports, and i never placed ever any bet on stake, because the odds are too small in comparation with the competition, the 5th email i have received is that I need to provide proof that I didn't change the 2fa.. finally an old support came out and they helped me out, but like a week account randomly blocked (not even balance in it). lately i play only scarabs...

He wasn't banned for simply having multiple accounts.  He used multiple accounts to get around the sportsbook limits stake put on him.  

That means Stake said "hey, you can only bet $X per match from now on, that's it."  and he went and opened a bunch of new accounts so he could wager more than $X.  

Yes, that's how running a casino works.  The Casino tries to make money, not lose it.




He wasn't banned for simply having multiple accounts.  He used multiple accounts to get around the sportsbook limits stake put on him.  

Oh wait, a few weeks ago you we buying Stake accounts (https://archive.ph/wip/wyTha) and now you're defending a random new user that used 15+ accounts to get around sports book limits...you're just playing dumb to muddy the waters, aren't you?


No need to be vip, so you weren't buying them for the monthly bonuses...why on earth would old Stake accounts have value to you?  Hmmmm.....could it be they were going to be used to circumvent sports book limits?  

Clever idea, shitty execution.

Getting your money is called extortion? Can you somehow prove that I am "pretending to be a girl from Ukraine" or should we believe your authoritative words?  I can't open my stats because my account is in "Withdrawal Mode". Can you ask your steak girlfriends to open it once you need it?

Do not even doubt that they will treat you the same as they did me, as long as you accept deposits you will be a good client and will not receive any restrictions. If you go in plus everything will change. Don't listen to this fanatic who has never deposited more than $100. It's his job to protect these free spins scammers while Stunna is resting. He doesn't even understand the difference between multi-account and "account abuse". These concepts are the same

They won't freeze your funds simply for having multiple accounts.  If you use multiple accounts to to wager more than the limit they put on you, they might.


See?


If you want people to believe you, you shouldn't make things up about other people.  Even if you're angry. 

Why are you allowed to come up with the fact that I'm "pretending"? Could it be your favorite site pretending to accept $100k deposits from me?

Please don't pick fights with him.
He's trying his best to deviate this thread from the topic.
Ignore this user.

Imagine supporting stake (https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/)

Edit: Stake is more or less unregulated with their Curacao license.

Source: https://www.gamblingsites.org/laws/curacao/

Trust pilot is full of scan accusations against Stake
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/stake.com

I don't think it's anywhere near appropriate to leave a red trust feed back to an "opponent" in a discussion where you are mainly engaged (already 12 posts from you in this thread).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016829

It just looks as a nasty retaliation for not sharing your views on the matter.

Moreover I don't understand why you are saying in your feed back the accusations are fake while it's not denied that the funds deposited by the plaintiff have been illegally seized by the casino.

And I'm not talking about your red feed back to PalamarNadia while her case is obviously far away from being closed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3481071

By the way for the sake of transparency, you are promoting another offshore casino, are you a member of this company (or any casino company)?

https://streamable.com/9wmyr4
This is a video in which I described my whole situation with you. For those who say that I "pretend". It is in my native language as I don't speak English well. Here is the translation of my words:


Hello “Everyone”

My name is Nadia
i am thirty five year old woman, I am from “Kharkov”, Ukraine.
I am making this video because I am scammed fourty thousand American dollars by stake. Drake is there partner, so I thought money will be safe . Now my account is suspended, they are not reply no more and I can’t withdraw my forty thousand dollars.
please help me, I have provided everything they asked for and still they have my money for ten days.
Forty thousand is a lot of money for me, it’s more than my family’s life saving.
they are saying I break a term and condition and created more than one account, but I do not break anything. I only have one account and they have suspended it now.

I also have questions for Stunna that I think everyone here would be interested in, namely:
1. Stunna, what's the difference when a person registered on the forum, and what status is he, just to help him, and not respond mockingly?
2. Why did you ignore my questions to you, as well as other members of this forum who are also interested in these questions?
3. One of your points about withdrawing funds on your website reads as follows: "Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.
All transactions shall be checked in order to prevent money laundering. If a player becomes aware of any suspicious activity relating to any of the Games of the Website, s/he must report this to Stake immediately. Stake may suspend, block or close a Stake Account and withhold funds if requested to do so in accordance with the Prevention of Money Laundering Act or on any other legal basis requested by any state authority."


Which government agency has requested a seizure of my funds? Am I breaking money laundering laws? obviously not..


Then on what legal grounds are you holding them? You can kick me out, but you can't withhold funds.

Hopefully you get your funds back.
Helped the OP to open a casino guru complain
https://casino.guru/stake-casino-player-has-been-accused-of-opening-multiple-1

On a brand new forum account, OP claimed funds were frozen for having multiple accounts and winnings were mainly from slots.

Stunna, one of the most trusted in the crypto gambling world and the co founder of prime dice and stake:


Also, as a regular on Stake for years, that talks to many other regulars on Stake, I know for a fact that Stake very rarely freezes funds, and when they do it's not for having multiple accounts.  If they started doing that, I would hear about it, and we'd have multiple accusations from credible members in no time.


No and no.  

Hey Twitchyseal can't believe you gave her a negative trust.  It's a proof you are a scum bag .
Hopefully when She get her money back you get what you deserve.
A negative trust from me guaranteed when the case closeddir abusing the Trust system and hopefully all members who believe this guy is a scum bug to give him what he deserves don't be afraid if he left a negative trust to you he is a nobody .
I have no gain from this but I stand with the logic.  Gi ahead and leave a bad truth to me too for standing in her side be a man .

Stake is a casino, Sportsbetting or slots. It doesn't matter how a punter makes his money in a casino, as long as it's made through legit bets.  It would be harder for OP to prove the legitimacy of their winnings if it was slots, but with sports-betting there are bet slips(which can be accessed publicly on stake) + OP has provided all the betslips as evidence long before stunna made their first reply(check imgur link). Making it very hard to deny the legitimacy of their winnings.

I made a bot to go through OP's bets,
These are the stats since Stunna won't provide them
Total wagered through sports:  147.29365611999987 ETH
Total winnings through sports betting : 24 ETH ~ 47,000 USD

50% of the amount was wagered in slots and they lost most of their profits in slots ig

Here's the log of my bot:
https://pastebin.com/YChd51TK

it's a simple code of 11 lines, lmk if you want the code too.

That's the whole issue. This is what I don't understand. Stunna has failed to provide any other reason. and yet you go on to defend them for some reason ??? (and even call OP and me a scammer, albeit any rational mind won't agree with you)



Only Stunna can resolve this if they are able to provide a valid reason for the suspension and still holding 40,000 USD

Your "feedback" on my profile applies to you more than me

You're responding to allegations that haven't been made. 

After being limited, OP used multiple accounts to get around the limit.  That's the allegation.  Stake said "we don't want your action over $X" and OP pretended to be multiple different people and then wagered more than the limit.   

I brought up the claim from OP about Slots as an example of how they are trying to mislead people.  It's why initially I suspected they were involved with some sort of third party slot hack.  But it turns out, I was misled, the issue involves sports bets, not slots.

The same question arises again,
If it is indeed true, then why did it only become a problem when they were winning.
A player is free to break rules, as long as they are losing? But once someone starts to win, the winning customer will be put under a microscope to find any faults and will be held liable for them without providing any verifiable evidence to back their claims(Since Stunna has already said they won't give any evidence about how connections b/w these accounts were made)?


There would have been no problem from Stake's side if OP lost all of their deposit(100k), why would it be? In a way, OP was playing a losing game. It's a violation of trust and a predatory practice.
Let this be known that OP's account was level 2 verified. Stake already had OP's identification. So they were given the green signal to go ahead and place their bets(but weren't told that they wouldn't be allowed to win  ??? and will be suspended if they make a profit and try to withdraw it).



I am also curious about why their previous accounts(if any), were limited or banned. Did they break a rule?

They played a fair game and won the money through legit bets.  They are ready to verify their identity. I even asked for a video verification for my own purpose(to make sure I wasn't supporting an impostor). For obvious reasons I won't share the video here, it should be OP's choice.(Edit: I can see that they have already posted a video here) https://streamable.com/9wmyr4

If Stake can prove that OP was involved in something illicit (with evidence) then Stake should at least return their full deposit back.

If they can't provide evidence or prove anything, then OP deserves all of their balance(deposit+profit)

Edit: They deserve all of their funds. Else Stake will be violating their own T&C
And since their gaming license is more or less irrelevant Source:https://www.gamblingsites.org/laws/curacao/

I would consider them a rogue casino, if they fail to do so. Since they will be held accountable to nobody and are free to exploit their customers when the opportunity presents. In this case, it is a Ukrainian woman.

It's one thing to refuse to pay out winnings in the name of the infamous so called "breach of our TOS", it's another to seize customer own funds without a court decision (in common words, it's called a theft). Here CMIIW not only $20 000 of winnings have been arbitrary seized by the casino but 20 000 others from her deposited funds have also been seized.
However in front of a court, I highly doubt the casino would manage to convince any judge that the customer has been able to steal $20 000 from them by using multiple accounts although it's assumed it really used several accounts to gamble.

PalamarNadia replied only her sister has been registered and she referred her. Why she would refer her if she wanted to use her identity to abuse the casino with multi identities? Moreover I think it's not very difficult to check if her entire family is really registered with their ID or not.


I read they have quietly cut off half of their rakeback while saying they have increased the bonuses given to their customers, is it true?

If you're right, the case is serious because it would become an undeniable scam from the casino.

If you're running a sportsbook there are two paths you can go down:

Offer lines that aren't competitive with other books, and only on main stream sports/leagues, but never worry protecting your edge against sharps/insiders.  That means you take any bet from anyone and everyone has more or less the same limits. 

or

Compete to offer the best lines, either ban or limit those who you suspect might have an edge, and increase limits for players you're confident are recreational players.


If you offer competitive lines and don't limit sharp bettors, you're going to go bankrupt.  In the end, for a bet to be valid, both sides have to agree on the terms.  When a player is limited, and then bets more than that limit using another account, that's a bet that the book did not agree to, and the player knows that when they try to make it.  It's as simple as that.




Yeah.  And it was really messed up.  They can make it whatever they want, but doing it without any sort of warning or even notification when it happens was really disappointing to see.  I immediately complained about it when it happened. 

OP mentioned this fact in their post. I don't know why other members fail to see the seriousness of this accusation.

AFAIK the sportsbooks with the highest RTP, Pinnacle for example, don't treat their customers like that, by selectively discriminating/trapping them, and always stay professional. I don't know how their business work but it's not by doing shady things like that.
Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with its customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

Yup, they are accountable to no one.
This is why people prefer Vegas and regulated books. But not all countries got a Vegas or a legal book, so they are forced to bet on offshore books. Then this happens and you can do NOTHING (even if your account was verified by the book itself before you started betting lol, funny and scary at the same time)

It's not shady to limit players, and even though Pinnacle has a "winners welcome policy", they do, in fact, change limits on a player to player basis - especially for minor events.  As far as lines and limits though, Pinnacle is definitely the best.


The authorities of those countries don't run any sports leagues so I don't really get where you're going with that.  


They do have a UK license, which is one of the the more reputable in the world.  It's only for stake.co.uk , but if they were to start blatantly scamming players they would no doubt lose that license.  And when you say "then this happens", you're you mean then you make 15+ accounts to circumvent limits.  So yeah.  Same thing would happen on a regulated book. 

Ok I'm going to quit contributing to derailing this thread.

When you sign up for Stake you agree to a series of terms and conditions, these conditions are broad but are put in place to prevent abuse. Every betting account is given their own limits, when your limits were reduced you started making additional accounts and providing false documents not belonging to you in an attempt to defraud us. You even went on Stake chat and made offers to buy accounts that had limits over $10k on specific sports. None of this was recreational action, you amassed at minimum 15 accounts and used these to profit significantly off your "value bets" which you also offered to sell to other chatters.

Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15+ accounts you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable as it was a positive expected value initiative for you, you even offered to sell these bets given how confident you were in them. We have a right to refuse action from players like you which we did, you were able to get your money out on your initial accounts. Then you continued to buy and make accounts and we continued to limit but you kept buying or farming more accounts. On just Palamar (OP's account) you earned profit of $53k using "value bets".  If we did not take such strong action you would be continuing to buy accounts with high limits to try and keep betting against us.

https://i.ibb.co/R2pMscc/image.png
Stake chat Logs from Palamar translated from Russian

3:32 PM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ecть y кoгo aкки гдe пpиeм нa тeнниc 10к$?
Translation: Does anyone have an account where the admission to tennis is $ 10k?

1:04 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
oт 10к$
Translation: from 10k$

1:02 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ктo кpyпнo cтaвит ecть?
Translation: Who bets big?

12:59 AM 5/22/2022   sports_en   
WHo need valuebets&




This user actually reported this matter to our regulators who will review the case, given the mountain of evidence against them I have no doubt we will win. Obviously edgycorner being in touch with this group there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are offering you some money to be their puppet here.  

I was alleged of the same thing by Twitchyseal on this thread, I have already disclosed all of my communication with OP(here and outside).
Until now there was no strong evidence from your side.
As I have already mentioned on the other thread. "I will renounce my support the moment you provide any evidence."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5401642.msg60310671#msg60310671

I can see that you have provided proof, so I will rescind it.
My job is done here.

Fair enough, no hard feelings. I should have made a better and more professional explanation initially. Sharing evidence is often tricky in situations like this because this individual will continue to find ways to get around our systems the more info they have. I like to think that we have built up a strong reputation over the last 10 years here, being the longest running and largest operators in crypto gambling but that does not allow us to say "just trust us"

Stunna there is not a single answer to my questions and questions of other users. Here there are only my correspondence in chats when I asked people what are the maximum receptions people have for a certain sport. Is it forbidden on your site to bet on Tennis anytime I want? If so, then write it down in your rules. I am a client - you are a bookmaker. You give the line I bet. Kick me out of the game, but give me my money. Why didn't you mention my slot game? I played them too. And at the expense of a large number of accounts, so many people know about your bookmaker and what line you give, there are a lot of mailings in the public domain for these bets. And why do you associate everyone with me?

They are not banned by any authorities. The bookmaker's office is built on the competition of the player and the office itself, so why do you forbid such players to play? Spanish players sued bet365 for such cases and won the case. And about accepting deposits for $ 100k from me, you did not answer.

ps. And where in mine did I try to buy messages in accounts?

For a moment I was convinced that Stake has become the new 1xbet.
Apparently not.

Still not happy with how Stake advertises itself on Twitch. It's not my business or my job, but I hope you will stop doing it. An adolescent with a gambling problem is a destroyed life.

This is probably my last message here, hoping it will bring some positive change.

Pax et Bonum  :D

May someone explain to me how to do that on Stake?
Because every time I want to place a live bet or cashing out during a match, I need to wait a loooong delay for being accepted. And if odds change during that delay my live bet or cash out with the initial odds is rejected.
It's only accepted if I accept new odds.
I thought it was a security from Stake to prevent this kind of exploit, I was mistaken actually?  ???

I also thought french open was broadcast by several TV channels around the world. What is the delay of a TV broadcast? 0.1s, 0.5s, 1s?
What would be the delay of a faster feed?
Are there real humans able to exploit such gap to place or cash out bets?
With 15 accounts at the same time?
This is not an ukrainian girl, this is wonder woman

I think you misunderstood my points. At Rolland Garros, they were all on the line and not in live. And they were only 15-20% of all my bets. Stunna talks about how I bet on matches where the stake was wrong in the odds, telling everyone that they have a very weak line

Another bullshit denial.  He didn't say you were betting live.  You figured out a way to get enough of a jump on stakes feed to profitably cash out tennis bets.  Then when you got limited you made more accounts to bet more money.  Then when those got limited, you made even more accounts, and then you made more...etc...and eventually stake said that's enough.

You don't get it. He's accusing you of having access to a faster feed than Stake odds updates on the french open. That is to say a video, a data stream or anything giving you informations before odds changes.
And he claimed you have been able to cash out bets just before the cash out amount offered fell or being settled as lost thanks to this "fast feed".

So I'm asking here, how we can do that on Stake while when I want to cash out a bet in live or send a live bet, I always get a long freeze of many seconds before my cash out or my bet is accepted. And if odds change or the bet is settled during this freeze, my cash out/bet is rejected.
I thought this freeze was a security from Stake especially to avoid people doing what he accuses you to have done.

I'm also asking what could be a "fast feed" when a competition is live broadcast on many TV channels around the world with less than one second delay.

Technically, that's not really true. All live events will have a significant delay in the broadcast. And I'm not talking about the intentional delay of the broadcast by the media houses. These are simple facts resulting from the implementation of digital technology. In order to transmit, a digital signal must first be compressed (MPEG-2 compression is the most common) which adds about 600 milliseconds of latency every time a signal is encoded, and another 600 milliseconds when decoding, depending on the technology used. Adding to that, it takes several milliseconds for the signal to travel to the satellite and back again (despite the fact that it travels at the speed of light, it's still 36,000 km to get there and another 36,000 to get back to Earth). This is roughly 1.5 seconds theoretically but can be closer to 3-4 seconds due to additional signal processing, multiple satellite relays, or even more if using different compression techniques (MPEG-4 is more efficient but is also somewhat more time consuming).

The delay is bigger than what you think. You can check that yourself if you know someone who lives next to a stadium and if a game is televised live. If you sit in the apartment and you hear the cheers from the fans after their team scores, pay attention to how long it takes for the goal to be seen on TV. Analog transmission is the fastest. Cable and satellite depends on the TV station. And then you have to consider SD and HD channels. SD are faster most of the time, but not always.

Even if the game is televised on multiple channels, each one of them have different delays. You usually wouldn't notice it unless you have access to multiple sports packages and transmission sources such as cable and satellite. Not to mention IPTV that can be 40-50 seconds behind and even more if you are getting it from the worst kind of service providers.

I live right to a stadium and I rarely notice any second of delay. Most of the time is less than 1 second. But it makes sense what you are saying tho..

What you guys saying is none sense. First the player Said prematches. She bet on
Secondly to place a bet it's not instant atleast 12sec there no delay such as 12sec.
You guys lost logic just want to spread the signature by any talk.

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If someone follows up this case is at Casino Guru
And Stake failed to show any evidence.
So Casino Guru put it as unresolved and waiting for regulatory decision.
https://casino.guru/stake-casino-player-has-been-accused-of-opening-multiple-1

Maybe will help the OP to open another complain at askgamblers
Since now I'm convinced Stake has no evidence .

Okay, it's been over 2 months since the last post in this post. Scam Site Stake did not return anything, what happened in these 2 months: In 1, I received the only response from the regulatory body from Curacao with the following content:

Dear Sir,
Following your below e-mail, Stake hereby presents its formal response.
We have performed an assessment on the account “Palamar12345”, and we have verified that the user is depositing from different crypto addresses and is only withdrawing to one (1) specific address that is not the one he deposits from.
It happens that the crypto address the player is using to withdraw is the same address used by other 11 accounts that do exactly the same, deposit from different addresses and withdraw everything to the same address.
Best regards,
Antillephone N.V.
License & Complaints 8048/JAZ

To which I replied the following:

Hello, thank you for noticing my problem, I want to report the following:
When depositing and withdrawing funds, I used the services of a private exchanger, since I do not have my own crypto wallet address. There are no instructions in the Stake.com rules from which address funds should be deposited into your gaming account. Whether other players used the services of this exchanger is not known to me, and it should not be known, this is their business and this has nothing to do with my account and my problem. I also bring to your attention that this site took deposits from me for 100 thousand dollars in equal parts over several days, and also calmly withdrew them (there were about 80 thousand withdrawals) Why didn't they warn me earlier that I was making deposits from an address that was not allowed to make deposits? As soon as my account went positive, the withdrawal was immediately blocked and they stopped letting me play games on the site. They begin to accuse me of having a multi-account, and not fair in their opinion the game. According to their rep at bitcointalk.org, I used to bet early matches at Roland Garros games. I see no reason why I should not be allowed to do this on a gambling site that accepts sports betting. I also do not understand the legality of holding my funds. The withdrawal clause of their rules reads as follows: Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.
All transactions shall be checked in order to prevent money laundering. If a player becomes aware of any suspicious activity relating to any of the Games of the Website, s/he must report this to Stake immediately. Stake may suspend, block or close a Stake Account and withhold funds if requested to do so in accordance with the Prevention of Money Laundering Act or on any other legal basis requested by any state authority.

According to this clause, they do not have the right to refuse to withdraw my funds to me (even taking into account the fact that I did not return my deposit). No court found my actions unlawful and did not issue an act of withholding funds. If they say that the reason for withholding my funds is that deposits and withdrawals came from the same address, this is not a legitimate reason for not paying the client his money. Why did they ask for my documents and confirm the 2nd level of my verification, thereby giving the green light to play in their casino? I described my problem in detail in a post on the forum link to it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984

I hope that you will take into account all the factors of this case and will be neutral. Sincerely.

These two letters were received and sent on June 8th. Since then, I haven't received any more replies. All this time I wrote to them in support in the chat on their website and I always received and still receive the same answer: write to us by mail, we will answer you soon. But there is no more answer by mail, a complete ignore. Also, I can't get their official denial in the mail, they just don't want to write it. They simply chose the tactic of ignoring.

Let's see what this site did in the end: The question is not whether I was engaged in multi-accounting. (for which, according to Stunna, they do not ban players, much less take money). Or I made deposits from those wallets from which deposits were already made to other accounts (there are no instructions in the Stake rules from which wallets the player is required to make deposits, I can use any) And it’s not even about my banned amount in money. I just want answers to specific questions, namely:

1. Their response to the Licensing Company (which also does not want to understand anything) states that I replenished 11 accounts from 1 wallet. Why didn't you reveal this fact, for example, on 2 or 3 accounts and banned them earlier?

2. Why, when my account was making deposits and was in the red for 80 thousand dollars, you allowed to make deposits? After all, I replenished from the same wallet.

3. Why did you arrange a document check for me if you still didn’t want to pay?

4. Please familiarize yourself with the rule of yours, in which exactly 2 cases do you have the right to withhold the client's money? They are posted on your website.

5. You don't pay money to all the people who want to value bet on your site?

For previous commenters: Value betting is not betting ahead of time. These are regular bets that are placed on the top events with a mathematical advantage in front of the bookmaker. Bets are placed before the match, and not in live mode. The bookmaker gives a line - you bet. No cheating. And the line at this site leaves much to be desired.

P.S. for people who want to beat these scammers, US Open starts on the 29th, write in private.

So you were found withdrawing money from 11 or 12 Stake accounts into the same address. That most certainly means that all those accounts belong to you. You justify this by saying that the address used belongs to an exchange, that you are not connected to the other accounts, and that it's possible that all those other players withdraw crypto to the exact same address on the exchange. That's highly unlikely. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt. What exchange were you using? If your story is true, I should see the same deposit address if I made an account there. If that happens, that would confirm your story. So, which exchange is it?

Most probably because you weren't being investigated at the time. An investigation is a manual process. When they started looking at the accounts and followed the money, that's when they discovered that something was off. 

How many Stake accounts do you have?

If he is registereg before nov 2021, he can have as many if he wants no matter the change of their TOS based on the law of curacao. Not saying this is the case, but just letting people know.

Yeah, even after Nov 2021, simply having multiple accounts wouldn't justify taking player funds. It's just weird how op is attempting to defend themselves - they aren't actually denying any of the actual accusations.  If anything they're only adding credit to Stunnas claims.

More lame aur false excuses by the OP does not make his case any good.  Everyone is trying to convince him but he will remain stick to his point and will keep dreaming to get all this money from a dozen accounts.  >:(



How easy it is for anyone to come here and make a thread and accuses any site of being fraud or scam, when they are not. These newbies will never admit their mistakes and will keep on insisting that they have the right to do anything, where its multiple account or any shady way to gain money.

stake only allow 1 account i believe

@twitchyseal have you heard about the term "Value Bets "
You shoukd google it and it's not illegal. That's what the OP were using .
there is third party softwares that provide this services
If im correct the only thibg the OP is wrojg about is trying to by pass the limits of the bookie.

Hey bro I tried to msg you but I can't please make it so newbies can PM you.You can messege me aswell

Yes, I've heard of the term.  It just means a bet that has value and isn't an indicator of whether or not it's against the rules.  Some value bets are perfectly fine, some violate terms.

And yes, it appears OP tried to bypass the limits by using many accounts to make the same value bets.

What's your point?

Point is simple its a correction tobyour quotes . There is notbing as fast or slow feedin Majorbeventd that broadcasted worldwide  .uts just not smart to even a staff for a biokie bring such a thibg and you keep quoting  . Its wrong 

They're using multiple accounts to evade the limits.  That's the problem. 

You should try typing with your hands instead of your feet.  If that's not possible due to a disability, google voice to text.  Lots of great options out there.

Stake still sends me to write them an email that they never answer. Can a representative of the stake site comment on their withdrawal rules indicated on the site, namely:

8. Withdrawals
Crypto withdrawals will be made to your stated cryptocurrency wallet address when making a valid withdrawal request.
If we mistakenly credit your Stake Account with winnings that do not belong to you, whether due to a technical error in the pay-tables, or human error or otherwise, the amount will remain our property and will be deducted from your Stake Account. If you have withdrawn funds that do not belong to you prior to us becoming aware of the error, the mistakenly paid amount will (without prejudice to other remedies and actions that may be available at law) constitute a debt owed by you to us. In the event of an incorrect crediting, you are obliged to notify us immediately by email.
Stake reserves the right to carry out additional KYC verification procedures for any withdrawal. Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.
All transactions shall be checked in order to prevent money laundering. If a player becomes aware of any suspicious activity relating to any of the Games of the Website, s/he must report this to Stake immediately. Stake may suspend, block or close a Stake Account and withhold funds if requested to do so in accordance with the Prevention of Money Laundering Act or on any other legal basis requested by any state authority.
You acknowledge that the funds in your account are consumed instantly when playing and we do not provide return of goods, refunds or retrospective cancellation of your account.
Note that some payment methods may include an additional fee. In this case, the fee will be clearly visible for you in the cashier.

Please indicate the legal basis for withholding funds.

I also ask Stake to provide a written refusal to pay funds to my mail, indicating the legal basis.

I can't wait for an answer for over 3 months now.

40k is a lot of money. If you really believe you have a case, you can contact this lawyer below:

https://lms-advocaten.com/en/lms-curacao-gaming-lawyers/

He is based in Curacao and was successful in other cases against curacao bookmakers:

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3614587-1bet-com-scam-account-closed-all-money-confiscated.html

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the lawyer that was working with Game-Protect (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=874254), in which case it will most likely be a nightmare dealing with him and he should not be trusted with any of your personal information.  He will waste tons of your time, hit you up for money over and over, and when you figure out he's full of it he will threaten to dox you if you speak out against him on the forum.

It is not Game-Protect.

Lonnie who 1st used that lawyer services got scammed from Game-Protect. The link i posted is real lawyer, already successfully used from 2 bettors at SBR forum. I think the one wrote that lawyer works with commissions on profit as well, can't find that post though.

Personally never spoke with him and not promoting him either. But if i had a case with 40k+ confiscated, i would defo spoke with him.

Funds from multiple accounts have been withdrawn to the same crypto address. There was talk of 11 different account altogether if I remember correctly. Are you saying all those accounts don't belong to you? Can you explain how you are using the same address as the other people then? What's the service/provider/app/exchange that generated you that address? If it does that for all people, it should do it again if someone else signs up? So where did you get that same matching address?

Have not read the full thread but yes stake are starting to scam and the reason looks like the promotions costed them too much money and Edward purchased a mansion worth $38m so of course they have to now scam the players to cover it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10601099/Melbourne-26-year-old-buys-38m-mansion.html

SCAMMING AND SPENDING OUR MONEY FOR HIMSELF, SHAE ON YOU EDWARD!

So you think bumping this thread where a player used multiple accounts to bypass betting restrictions (Stunna was talking abount 15+ accounts) and other scam accusation threads concerning Stake will make the community think that your supposed involvement in table tennis match fixing is OK? Think again. You wagered lots of money on the same player on the same tournament. It worked for a while, but it doesn't anymore. 

Bro.. cmon, eddie bought this with playmoney. 38M is a small bag for him, you don't seem to understand that.

Hi did you get any results ? i am dealing with very similar problem.
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