Stake.com does not pay out $40k+ money. Scam

[edgycorner]

Moreover I don't understand why you are saying in your feed back the accusations are fake while it's not denied that the funds deposited by the plaintiff have been illegally seized by the casino.

On a brand new forum account, OP claimed funds were frozen for having multiple accounts and winnings were mainly from slots.

Stake is a casino, Sportsbetting or slots. It doesn't matter how a punter makes his money in a casino, as long as it's made through legit bets.  It would be harder for OP to prove the legitimacy of their winnings if it was slots, but with sports-betting there are bet slips(which can be accessed publicly on stake) + OP has provided all the betslips as evidence long before stunna made their first reply(check imgur link). Making it very hard to deny the legitimacy of their winnings.

I made a bot to go through OP's bets,
These are the stats since Stunna won't provide them
Total wagered through sports:  147.29365611999987 ETH
Total winnings through sports betting : 24 ETH ~ 47,000 USD

50% of the amount was wagered in slots and they lost most of their profits in slots ig

Here's the log of my bot:
https://pastebin.com/YChd51TK

it's a simple code of 11 lines, lmk if you want the code too.

Also, as a regular on Stake for years, that talks to many other regulars on Stake, I know for a fact that Stake very rarely freezes funds, and when they do it's not for having multiple accounts.  If they started doing that, I would hear about it, and we'd have multiple accusations from credible members in no time.

 

That's the whole issue. This is what I don't understand. Stunna has failed to provide any other reason. and yet you go on to defend them for some reason (and even call OP and me a scammer, albeit any rational mind won't agree with you)



Only Stunna can resolve this if they are able to provide a valid reason for the suspension and still holding 40,000 USD

Your "feedback" on my profile applies to you more than me

Be wary. He is adamantly and irrationally defending someone. I don't know what his motives are, but his arguments are definitely not in good faith.

[TwitchySeal]

Moreover I don't understand why you are saying in your feed back the accusations are fake while it's not denied that the funds deposited by the plaintiff have been illegally seized by the casino.

On a brand new forum account, OP claimed funds were frozen for having multiple accounts and winnings were mainly from slots.

Stake is a casino, Sportsbetting or slots. It doesn't matter how a punter makes his money in a casino, as long as it's made through legit bets.  It would be harder for OP to prove the legitimacy of their winnings if it was slots, but with sports-betting there are bet slips(which can be accessed publicly on stake) + OP has provided all the betslips as evidence long before stunna made their first reply(check imgur link). Making it very hard to deny the legitimacy of their winnings.

You're responding to allegations that haven't been made. 

After being limited, OP used multiple accounts to get around the limit.  That's the allegation.  Stake said "we don't want your action over $X" and OP pretended to be multiple different people and then wagered more than the limit.   

I brought up the claim from OP about Slots as an example of how they are trying to mislead people.  It's why initially I suspected they were involved with some sort of third party slot hack.  But it turns out, I was misled, the issue involves sports bets, not slots.

[edgycorner]

Moreover I don't understand why you are saying in your feed back the accusations are fake while it's not denied that the funds deposited by the plaintiff have been illegally seized by the casino.

On a brand new forum account, OP claimed funds were frozen for having multiple accounts and winnings were mainly from slots.

Stake is a casino, Sportsbetting or slots. It doesn't matter how a punter makes his money in a casino, as long as it's made through legit bets.  It would be harder for OP to prove the legitimacy of their winnings if it was slots, but with sports-betting there are bet slips(which can be accessed publicly on stake) + OP has provided all the betslips as evidence long before stunna made their first reply(check imgur link). Making it very hard to deny the legitimacy of their winnings.

You're responding to allegations that haven't been made.  

After being limited, OP used multiple accounts to get around the limit.  That's the allegation.  Stake said "we don't want your action over $X" and OP pretended to be multiple different people and then wagered more than the limit.  

This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts.

The same question arises again,
If it is indeed true, then why did it only become a problem when they were winning.
A player is free to break rules, as long as they are losing? But once someone starts to win, the winning customer will be put under a microscope to find any faults and will be held liable for them without providing any verifiable evidence to back their claims(Since Stunna has already said they won't give any evidence about how connections b/w these accounts were made)?


There would have been no problem from Stake's side if OP lost all of their deposit(100k), why would it be? In a way, OP was playing a losing game. It's a violation of trust and a predatory practice.
Let this be known that OP's account was level 2 verified. Stake already had OP's identification. So they were given the green signal to go ahead and place their bets(but weren't told that they wouldn't be allowed to win   and will be suspended if they make a profit and try to withdraw it).



I am also curious about why their previous accounts(if any), were limited or banned. Did they break a rule?

They played a fair game and won the money through legit bets.  They are ready to verify their identity. I even asked for a video verification for my own purpose(to make sure I wasn't supporting an impostor). For obvious reasons I won't share the video here, it should be OP's choice.(Edit: I can see that they have already posted a video here) https://streamable.com/9wmyr4

If Stake can prove that OP was involved in something illicit (with evidence) then Stake should at least return their full deposit back.

If they can't provide evidence or prove anything, then OP deserves all of their balance(deposit+profit)

Edit: They deserve all of their funds. Else Stake will be violating their own T&C
And since their gaming license is more or less irrelevant Source:https://www.gamblingsites.org/laws/curacao/

I would consider them a rogue casino, if they fail to do so. Since they will be held accountable to nobody and are free to exploit their customers when the opportunity presents. In this case, it is a Ukrainian woman.

All transactions shall be checked in order to prevent money laundering. If a player becomes aware of any suspicious activity relating to any of the Games of the Website, s/he must report this to Stake immediately. Stake may suspend, block or close a Stake Account and withhold funds if requested to do so in accordance with the Prevention of Money Laundering Act or on any other legal basis requested by any state authority."


Which government agency has requested a seizure of my funds? Am I breaking money laundering laws? obviously not..


Then on what legal grounds are you holding them? You can kick me out, but you can't withhold funds.

[JasonXIII]

After being limited, OP used multiple accounts to get around the limit.  That's the allegation.  Stake said "we don't want your action over $X" and OP pretended to be multiple different people and then wagered more than the limit.  

It's one thing to refuse to pay out winnings in the name of the infamous so called "breach of our TOS", it's another to seize customer own funds without a court decision (in common words, it's called a theft). Here CMIIW not only $20 000 of winnings have been arbitrary seized by the casino but 20 000 others from her deposited funds have also been seized.
However in front of a court, I highly doubt the casino would manage to convince any judge that the customer has been able to steal $20 000 from them by using multiple accounts although it's assumed it really used several accounts to gamble.

Stunna, one of the most trusted in the crypto gambling world and the co founder of prime dice and stake:

This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits.

PalamarNadia replied only her sister has been registered and she referred her. Why she would refer her if she wanted to use her identity to abuse the casino with multi identities? Moreover I think it's not very difficult to check if her entire family is really registered with their ID or not.

Are you mentioning my family and their id? Only my sister registered on your site using my referral link, is this prohibited?

Also, as a regular on Stake for years, that talks to many other regulars on Stake, I know for a fact that Stake very rarely freezes funds, and when they do it's not for having multiple accounts.  If they started doing that, I would hear about it, and we'd have multiple accusations from credible members in no time.

I read they have quietly cut off half of their rakeback while saying they have increased the bonuses given to their customers, is it true?

Let this be known that OP's account was level 2 verified. Stake already had OP's identification. So they were given the green signal to go ahead and place their bets(but weren't told that they wouldn't be allowed to win   and will be suspended if they make a profit and try to withdraw it).

If you're right, the case is serious because it would become an undeniable scam from the casino.

[TwitchySeal]

If you're running a sportsbook there are two paths you can go down:

Offer lines that aren't competitive with other books, and only on main stream sports/leagues, but never worry protecting your edge against sharps/insiders.  That means you take any bet from anyone and everyone has more or less the same limits. 

or

Compete to offer the best lines, either ban or limit those who you suspect might have an edge, and increase limits for players you're confident are recreational players.


If you offer competitive lines and don't limit sharp bettors, you're going to go bankrupt.  In the end, for a bet to be valid, both sides have to agree on the terms.  When a player is limited, and then bets more than that limit using another account, that's a bet that the book did not agree to, and the player knows that when they try to make it.  It's as simple as that.

I read they have quietly cut off half of their rakeback while saying they have increased the bonuses given to their customers, is it true?

Yeah.  And it was really messed up.  They can make it whatever they want, but doing it without any sort of warning or even notification when it happens was really disappointing to see.  I immediately complained about it when it happened. 

[edgycorner]

Let this be known that OP's account was level 2 verified. Stake already had OP's identification. So they were given the green signal to go ahead and place their bets(but weren't told that they wouldn't be allowed to win   and will be suspended if they make a profit and try to withdraw it).

If you're right, the case is serious because it would become an undeniable scam from the casino.

OP mentioned this fact in their post. I don't know why other members fail to see the seriousness of this accusation.

[JasonXIII]

If you're running a sportsbook there are two paths you can go down:

Offer lines that aren't competitive with other books, and only on main stream sports/leagues, but never worry protecting your edge against sharps/insiders.  That means you take any bet from anyone and everyone has more or less the same limits.  

or

Compete to offer the best lines, either ban or limit those who you suspect might have an edge, and increase limits for players you're confident are recreational players.


If you offer competitive lines and don't limit sharp bettors, you're going to go bankrupt.  In the end, for a bet to be valid, both sides have to agree on the terms.  When a player is limited, and then bets more than that limit using another account, that's a bet that the book did not agree to, and the player knows that when they try to make it.  It's as simple as that.

I read they have quietly cut off half of their rakeback while saying they have increased the bonuses given to their customers, is it true?

Yeah.  And it was really messed up.  They can make it whatever they want, but doing it without any sort of warning or even notification when it happens was really disappointing to see.  I immediately complained about it when it happened.

AFAIK the sportsbooks with the highest RTP, Pinnacle for example, don't treat their customers like that, by selectively discriminating/trapping them, and always stay professional. I don't know how their business work but it's not by doing shady things like that.
Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with its customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

[edgycorner]

Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with their customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

Yup, they are accountable to no one.
This is why people prefer Vegas and regulated books. But not all countries got a Vegas or a legal book, so they are forced to bet on offshore books. Then this happens and you can do NOTHING (even if your account was verified by the book itself before you started betting lol, funny and scary at the same time)

[TwitchySeal]

AFAIK the sportsbooks with the highest RTP, Pinnacle for example, don't treat their customers like that, by selectively discriminating/trapping them, and always stay professional.

It's not shady to limit players, and even though Pinnacle has a "winners welcome policy", they do, in fact, change limits on a player to player basis - especially for minor events.  As far as lines and limits though, Pinnacle is definitely the best.

I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

The authorities of those countries don't run any sports leagues so I don't really get where you're going with that.  

Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with their customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

Yup, they are accountable to no one.
This is why people prefer Vegas and regulated books. But not all countries got a Vegas or a legal book, so they are forced to bet on offshore books. Then this happens and you can do NOTHING (even if your account was verified by the book itself before you started betting lol, funny and scary at the same time)

They do have a UK license, which is one of the the more reputable in the world.  It's only for stake.co.uk , but if they were to start blatantly scamming players they would no doubt lose that license.  And when you say "then this happens", you're you mean then you make 15+ accounts to circumvent limits.  So yeah.  Same thing would happen on a regulated book. 

Ok I'm going to quit contributing to derailing this thread.

[Stunna]

When you sign up for Stake you agree to a series of terms and conditions, these conditions are broad but are put in place to prevent abuse. Every betting account is given their own limits, when your limits were reduced you started making additional accounts and providing false documents not belonging to you in an attempt to defraud us. You even went on Stake chat and made offers to buy accounts that had limits over $10k on specific sports. None of this was recreational action, you amassed at minimum 15 accounts and used these to profit significantly off your "value bets" which you also offered to sell to other chatters.

Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15+ accounts you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable as it was a positive expected value initiative for you, you even offered to sell these bets given how confident you were in them. We have a right to refuse action from players like you which we did, you were able to get your money out on your initial accounts. Then you continued to buy and make accounts and we continued to limit but you kept buying or farming more accounts. On just Palamar (OP's account) you earned profit of $53k using "value bets".  If we did not take such strong action you would be continuing to buy accounts with high limits to try and keep betting against us.


Stake chat Logs from Palamar translated from Russian

3:32 PM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ecть y кoгo aкки гдe пpиeм нa тeнниc 10к$?
Translation: Does anyone have an account where the admission to tennis is $ 10k?

1:04 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
oт 10к$
Translation: from 10k$

1:02 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ктo кpyпнo cтaвит ecть?
Translation: Who bets big?

12:59 AM 5/22/2022   sports_en   
WHo need valuebets&

Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with their customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

Yup, they are accountable to no one.
This is why people prefer Vegas and regulated books. But not all countries got a Vegas or a legal book, so they are forced to bet on offshore books. Then this happens and you can do NOTHING (even if your account was verified by the book itself before you started betting lol, funny and scary at the same time)

This user actually reported this matter to our regulators who will review the case, given the mountain of evidence against them I have no doubt we will win. Obviously edgycorner being in touch with this group there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are offering you some money to be their puppet here.  

[edgycorner]

When you sign up for Stake you agree to a series of terms and conditions, these conditions are broad but are put in place to prevent abuse. Every betting account is given their own limits, when your limits were reduced you started making additional accounts and providing false documents not belonging to you in an attempt to defraud us. You even went on Stake chat and made offers to buy accounts that had limits over $10k on specific sports. None of this was recreational action, you amassed at minimum 15 accounts and used these to profit significantly off your "value bets" which you also offered to sell to other chatters.

Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15 account you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable as it was a positive expected value initiative for you, you even offered to sell these bets given how confident you were in them. We have a right to refuse action from players like you which we did, you were able to get your money out on your initial accounts. Then you continued to buy and make accounts and we continued to limit but you kept buying or farming more accounts. On just Palamar (OP's account) you earned profit of $53k using "value bets".


Stake chat Logs from Palamar translated from Russian

3:32 PM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ecть y кoгo aкки гдe пpиeм нa тeнниc 10к$?
Translation: Does anyone have an account where the admission to tennis is $ 10k?

1:04 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
oт 10к$
Translation: from 10k$

1:02 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ктo кpyпнo cтaвит ecть?
Translation: Who bets big?

12:59 AM 5/22/2022   sports_en   
WHo need valuebets&

Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with their customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

Yup, they are accountable to no one.
This is why people prefer Vegas and regulated books. But not all countries got a Vegas or a legal book, so they are forced to bet on offshore books. Then this happens and you can do NOTHING (even if your account was verified by the book itself before you started betting lol, funny and scary at the same time)

This user actually reported this matter to our regulators who will review the case, given the mountain of evidence against them I have no doubt we will win. Obviously edgycorner being in touch with this group there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are offering you some money to be their puppet here.

I was alleged of the same thing by Twitchyseal on this thread, I have already disclosed all of my communication with OP(here and outside).
Until now there was no strong evidence from your side.
As I have already mentioned on the other thread. "I will renounce my support the moment you provide any evidence."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5401642.msg60310671#msg60310671

They are yet to be proven a "scammer". All I see is a profitable punter suspended by a book.
But once Stunna proves that they were indeed abusing the book with "evidence", I will renounce all of my support. This will be my last task on this forum.

I can see that you have provided proof, so I will rescind it.
My job is done here.

[Stunna]

When you sign up for Stake you agree to a series of terms and conditions, these conditions are broad but are put in place to prevent abuse. Every betting account is given their own limits, when your limits were reduced you started making additional accounts and providing false documents not belonging to you in an attempt to defraud us. You even went on Stake chat and made offers to buy accounts that had limits over $10k on specific sports. None of this was recreational action, you amassed at minimum 15 accounts and used these to profit significantly off your "value bets" which you also offered to sell to other chatters.

Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15 account you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable as it was a positive expected value initiative for you, you even offered to sell these bets given how confident you were in them. We have a right to refuse action from players like you which we did, you were able to get your money out on your initial accounts. Then you continued to buy and make accounts and we continued to limit but you kept buying or farming more accounts. On just Palamar (OP's account) you earned profit of $53k using "value bets".


Stake chat Logs from Palamar translated from Russian

3:32 PM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ecть y кoгo aкки гдe пpиeм нa тeнниc 10к$?
Translation: Does anyone have an account where the admission to tennis is $ 10k?

1:04 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
oт 10к$
Translation: from 10k$

1:02 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ктo кpyпнo cтaвит ecть?
Translation: Who bets big?

12:59 AM 5/22/2022   sports_en   
WHo need valuebets&

Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with their customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

Yup, they are accountable to no one.
This is why people prefer Vegas and regulated books. But not all countries got a Vegas or a legal book, so they are forced to bet on offshore books. Then this happens and you can do NOTHING (even if your account was verified by the book itself before you started betting lol, funny and scary at the same time)

This user actually reported this matter to our regulators who will review the case, given the mountain of evidence against them I have no doubt we will win. Obviously edgycorner being in touch with this group there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are offering you some money to be their puppet here.

I was alleged of the same thing by Twitchyseal on this thread, I have already disclosed all of my communication with OP(here and outside).
Until now there was no strong evidence from your side.
As I have already mentioned on the other thread. "I will renounce my support the moment you provide any evidence."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5401642.msg60310671#msg60310671

They are yet to be proven a "scammer". All I see is a profitable punter suspended by a book.
But once Stunna proves that they were indeed abusing the book with "evidence", I will renounce all of my support. This will be my last task on this forum.

I can see that you have provided proof, so I will rescind it.
My job is done here.

Fair enough, no hard feelings. I should have made a better and more professional explanation initially. Sharing evidence is often tricky in situations like this because this individual will continue to find ways to get around our systems the more info they have. I like to think that we have built up a strong reputation over the last 10 years here, being the longest running and largest operators in crypto gambling but that does not allow us to say "just trust us"

[PalamarNadia]

When you sign up for Stake you agree to a series of terms and conditions, these conditions are broad but are put in place to prevent abuse. Every betting account is given their own limits, when your limits were reduced you started making additional accounts and providing false documents not belonging to you in an attempt to defraud us. You even went on Stake chat and made offers to buy accounts that had limits over $10k on specific sports. None of this was recreational action, you amassed at minimum 15 accounts and used these to profit significantly off your "value bets" which you also offered to sell to other chatters.

Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15+ accounts you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable as it was a positive expected value initiative for you, you even offered to sell these bets given how confident you were in them. We have a right to refuse action from players like you which we did, you were able to get your money out on your initial accounts. Then you continued to buy and make accounts and we continued to limit but you kept buying or farming more accounts. On just Palamar (OP's account) you earned profit of $53k using "value bets".  If we did not take such strong action you would be continuing to buy accounts with high limits to try and keep betting against us.

https://i.ibb.co/R2pMscc/image.png
Stake chat Logs from Palamar translated from Russian

3:32 PM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ecть y кoгo aкки гдe пpиeм нa тeнниc 10к$?
Translation: Does anyone have an account where the admission to tennis is $ 10k?

1:04 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
oт 10к$
Translation: from 10k$

1:02 AM 5/22/2022   ru   
Ктo кpyпнo cтaвит ecть?
Translation: Who bets big?

12:59 AM 5/22/2022   sports_en   
WHo need valuebets&

Stake takes advantage from being a crypto offshore casino, and not being as famous as largest sportsbooks but if it makes bad things with their customers I don't think australian authorities will appreciate that, neither american, canadian and english ones since it is doing business with sport organizations and personalities from those countries for advertising.

Yup, they are accountable to no one.
This is why people prefer Vegas and regulated books. But not all countries got a Vegas or a legal book, so they are forced to bet on offshore books. Then this happens and you can do NOTHING (even if your account was verified by the book itself before you started betting lol, funny and scary at the same time)

This user actually reported this matter to our regulators who will review the case, given the mountain of evidence against them I have no doubt we will win. Obviously edgycorner being in touch with this group there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are offering you some money to be their puppet here.  

Stunna there is not a single answer to my questions and questions of other users. Here there are only my correspondence in chats when I asked people what are the maximum receptions people have for a certain sport. Is it forbidden on your site to bet on Tennis anytime I want? If so, then write it down in your rules. I am a client - you are a bookmaker. You give the line I bet. Kick me out of the game, but give me my money. Why didn't you mention my slot game? I played them too. And at the expense of a large number of accounts, so many people know about your bookmaker and what line you give, there are a lot of mailings in the public domain for these bets. And why do you associate everyone with me?

They are not banned by any authorities. The bookmaker's office is built on the competition of the player and the office itself, so why do you forbid such players to play? Spanish players sued bet365 for such cases and won the case. And about accepting deposits for $ 100k from me, you did not answer.

ps. And where in mine did I try to buy messages in accounts?

[edgycorner]

Fair enough, no hard feelings. I should have made a better and more professional explanation initially.

For a moment I was convinced that Stake has become the new 1xbet.
Apparently not.

Still not happy with how Stake advertises itself on Twitch. It's not my business or my job, but I hope you will stop doing it. An adolescent with a gambling problem is a destroyed life.

This is probably my last message here, hoping it will bring some positive change.

Pax et Bonum  

[martyMC]

Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15+ accounts you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable

May someone explain to me how to do that on Stake?
Because every time I want to place a live bet or cashing out during a match, I need to wait a loooong delay for being accepted. And if odds change during that delay my live bet or cash out with the initial odds is rejected.
It's only accepted if I accept new odds.
I thought it was a security from Stake to prevent this kind of exploit, I was mistaken actually?  

I also thought french open was broadcast by several TV channels around the world. What is the delay of a TV broadcast? 0.1s, 0.5s, 1s?
What would be the delay of a faster feed?
Are there real humans able to exploit such gap to place or cash out bets?
With 15 accounts at the same time?
This is not an ukrainian girl, this is wonder woman

[PalamarNadia]

Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15+ accounts you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable

May someone explain to me how to do that on Stake?
Because every time I want to place a live bet or cashing out during a match, I need to wait a loooong delay for being accepted. And if odds change during that delay my live bet or cash out with the initial odds is rejected.
It's only accepted if I accept new odds.
I thought it was a security from Stake to prevent this kind of exploit, I was mistaken actually?  

I also thought french open was broadcast by several TV channels around the world. What is the delay of a TV broadcast? 0.1s, 0.5s, 1s?
What would be the delay of a faster feed?
Are there real humans able to exploit such gap to place or cash out bets?
With 15 accounts at the same time?
This is not an ukrainian girl, this is wonder woman

I think you misunderstood my points. At Rolland Garros, they were all on the line and not in live. And they were only 15-20% of all my bets. Stunna talks about how I bet on matches where the stake was wrong in the odds, telling everyone that they have a very weak line

[TwitchySeal]

I think you misunderstood my points. At Rolland Garros, they were all on the line and not in live.

Another bullshit denial.  He didn't say you were betting live.  You figured out a way to get enough of a jump on stakes feed to profitably cash out tennis bets.  Then when you got limited you made more accounts to bet more money.  Then when those got limited, you made even more accounts, and then you made more...etc...and eventually stake said that's enough.

[martyMC]

Primarily having access to a faster feed on the french open and cashing out at points of value right before an odd swing was a great strategy for you . When placing that same bet across 15+ accounts you were able to make these "value bets" very profitable

May someone explain to me how to do that on Stake?
Because every time I want to place a live bet or cashing out during a match, I need to wait a loooong delay for being accepted. And if odds change during that delay my live bet or cash out with the initial odds is rejected.
It's only accepted if I accept new odds.
I thought it was a security from Stake to prevent this kind of exploit, I was mistaken actually?  

I also thought french open was broadcast by several TV channels around the world. What is the delay of a TV broadcast? 0.1s, 0.5s, 1s?
What would be the delay of a faster feed?
Are there real humans able to exploit such gap to place or cash out bets?
With 15 accounts at the same time?
This is not an ukrainian girl, this is wonder woman

I think you misunderstood my points. At Rolland Garros, they were all on the line and not in live. And they were only 15-20% of all my bets. Stunna talks about how I bet on matches where the stake was wrong in the odds, telling everyone that they have a very weak line

You don't get it. He's accusing you of having access to a faster feed than Stake odds updates on the french open. That is to say a video, a data stream or anything giving you informations before odds changes.
And he claimed you have been able to cash out bets just before the cash out amount offered fell or being settled as lost thanks to this "fast feed".

So I'm asking here, how we can do that on Stake while when I want to cash out a bet in live or send a live bet, I always get a long freeze of many seconds before my cash out or my bet is accepted. And if odds change or the bet is settled during this freeze, my cash out/bet is rejected.
I thought this freeze was a security from Stake especially to avoid people doing what he accuses you to have done.

I'm also asking what could be a "fast feed" when a competition is live broadcast on many TV channels around the world with less than one second delay.

[FatFork]

I'm also asking what could be a "fast feed" when a competition is live broadcast on many TV channels around the world with less than one second delay.

Technically, that's not really true. All live events will have a significant delay in the broadcast. And I'm not talking about the intentional delay of the broadcast by the media houses. These are simple facts resulting from the implementation of digital technology. In order to transmit, a digital signal must first be compressed (MPEG-2 compression is the most common) which adds about 600 milliseconds of latency every time a signal is encoded, and another 600 milliseconds when decoding, depending on the technology used. Adding to that, it takes several milliseconds for the signal to travel to the satellite and back again (despite the fact that it travels at the speed of light, it's still 36,000 km to get there and another 36,000 to get back to Earth). This is roughly 1.5 seconds theoretically but can be closer to 3-4 seconds due to additional signal processing, multiple satellite relays, or even more if using different compression techniques (MPEG-4 is more efficient but is also somewhat more time consuming).

[Pmalek]

I'm also asking what could be a "fast feed" when a competition is live broadcast on many TV channels around the world with less than one second delay.

The delay is bigger than what you think. You can check that yourself if you know someone who lives next to a stadium and if a game is televised live. If you sit in the apartment and you hear the cheers from the fans after their team scores, pay attention to how long it takes for the goal to be seen on TV. Analog transmission is the fastest. Cable and satellite depends on the TV station. And then you have to consider SD and HD channels. SD are faster most of the time, but not always.

Even if the game is televised on multiple channels, each one of them have different delays. You usually wouldn't notice it unless you have access to multiple sports packages and transmission sources such as cable and satellite. Not to mention IPTV that can be 40-50 seconds behind and even more if you are getting it from the worst kind of service providers.