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If the casino is provably fair, you can take the server seed, the user seed, and the nonce to see the result of the next X shots. This process is called bet verification. But we can't use it to predict the next results on the casino because the server seed is hidden, and the right way to see the real seed is by requesting a new hidden one to make public the past one.

Thinking about that I developed a site where we can get the result of N bets using the same provably fair from the casino Just-Dice.


And there is a section where you can find some Bots to run on the casino.

This is just the first step of the project, I would like to discuss with the gambling community what features should I include and what casinos you will like to be able to run simulations.

Source: https://justdice.lucky.lat/

NOTES:
*I know the perfect bot doesn't exist and all of them will get busted in the long run because that's what house edge does.
*The faucet and the casino have Adfly links as a way to monetize the site, but users don't need to see those adds for running the Simulator or see the Bot Codes.

You made very great initiative for forum community especially gamblers.

I knew some sites and tools regarding to bots, verifiers.
MyDiceBot - Ultimate Bitcoin/Dogecoin Dice Bot. Bet More, Earn More! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5057661.0.0)
ProvablyFair.me | Bet Verifiers | Fair gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360001)
Overal statistics of dice sites (https://dicesites.com/)

One of issues with gambling sites is KYC and restricted areas.
Which casinos have IP blocks in place for restricted countries? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278411.0). If you can include it in your bot, that will be super cool.

Thanks for the great tool OP. This will help players to verify their games results on an independent third party verifier.
I tried to crosscheck the results I got from your website with results from other verifiers (RGBkey (https://rgbkey.github.io/just-dice/) and provablyfair.me (https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/just-dice-verifier/)and they match. So, this tool works perfectly. I suggest you contact just-dice.com ad ask them to add your tool to their list of verifiers (there are already four of them).

On other verifiers, I noticed they ask for the hash of the server seed. I suggest you add this option too since it will help to confirm that the seed hash matches the seed.

Although I'm not very good at understanding bots like this, but when I see you do development and initiatives that are quite helpful, it doesn't hurt that one day I will definitely need it. Sorry OP if the development is optimal, I hope to include a tutorial as detailed as possible so that beginners can also implement what you have made.

^ Just only here in this section. For example, Seuntjies DiceBot, and this is the thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307425.0
They have also a thread of guides on how to use their bot effectively on the dice only and here is the thread below.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391870.
They are here since 2013.
However, you have presented a good bot, looking forward to it and to see more updates so that many people will use your bot and it will probably including me.

Great initiative OP, this is good for people who wants to gamble more and just like to automate everything so easily. Well, I'll stick with what you stated, house edge does kill bettors regardless of the strategy we will use, so I thought it's very important to enjoy the game and personally I would just use the conventional way.

The best feature is the bet verification as that would make us confident that gambling sites are not cheating us.

Interesting concept for a gambling bot could be perhaps making one very hidden and impossible to detect? I don't have much (or any) experience with gambling bots but as I understand it, the ones you are proposing to us is a bot that's supposed to simulate? You could use them as marketing tools to increase website traffic by giving users the chance to simulate a bet.

This is a good innovation and is fine for me. Although I don't know much about using bot and stimulator to run betting on gambling platforms but I'm curious about being detected by different means gambling platforms do use to get hold of gambling bots. I will be looking at getting more understanding about how this bot will work to achieve a swift result.

This looks easy to use in my opinion so I would say that this is a good bot. For things to add then there's nothing I could think off. Well for others, I think they might have something to add especially those who always gamble. This will really help players wanted to verify the bets and know if the site is provably fair by using this tool. Perfect bot or not as long as it do it's uses then we're good to go.

It is great concept Op. It will great who want gamble autocratic. I love Dice and it is my fevourite casinos game on gambling. Your bot can be useful to me. it will really help players even ne wanted to verify the bets and know if the site is provably fair by using this tool. And it will give us confidence that gambling sites are not cheating us. Hope something good by you

Thanks for sharing this here mate, you are a good forum member that only wishes for the benefits and greatness of the forum members and gamblers.

the tools seems to be easy to use and will be a Big Help for all of us and Sure that I will be going to use this.


again Thanks for this mate.

it is a good innovations but the problem is that can it be dependable because i know quite well that not every thing of this space can be good almost every time, when you see how it is frame you will know that it will have sub chargers before it will gives you a stand of hope to predict or bet gamble with

This is quite interesting. You have actually done something which can be utilized to get a better perception about your bets.
Could you please make one for the site BC.GAME as well ? It will be good to see how our bets will turn to our favor.

Hey DoublerHunter, as you mention, Seuntjies bot is an awesome tool, but I don't like the fact that it only runs on Windows  :-\ while the codes i share work directly on the explorer.


You don't need to hide the bot, it can be blocked if your bets come too fast, but in my experience, i have done more than 40,000 bets and haven't gotten banned. A lot of users in JD run bots, is like a normal feature for them :p And what you can do is to hide your bets from other users if you want to bet with privacy.


There is one made from them https://bcgame-project.github.io/verify/crash.html i just take a look at their provably fair engine and i don't like it at all because they know the result from the future bets, they can't modify it, but the casino could take the money from the investors this way.

Hello OP, This is a very cool project of yours! The dice site to test the bots seems not working at this moment when I click the link to visit just-dice. I want to see first the bot functionality before I can make suggestion but I'm looking for a bot feature that has a flexible feature that has a built-in strategy like martingale, bet small bets until certain red stread occur then bet big after and etc. So that it will save time to setup bot per strategy.

Or atleast let user save multiple strategy on the bot system.

This one is only for the crash game right ? I guess you made this one for the dice game.

Also, even if they knew the results of the future bets how can they use it to their favor ?
It's not like they are changing the odds or something ? Could you please elaborate as it might help a lot of us.

Why I should use a betting bots for the Dice, if the fun mode is to see the Dice that turns in your favour?  ;D

I've seen some strategy not much time ago, But I wasn't really happy about that, considering that in the long term casinò will always beat you.

The betting bots are nice for the long run, lets's say, you want to hit a x10,000 in 5k bets, do 5k bet manually is a complex task, that's why betting bots are nice, and more if you want to add parameters, like increase the bet by 0.01% each bet, that way we can chase a nice win for the long run.

The last bot I run was chasing the x250... divide the balance by 1000 and bet that amount, if the balance drops 10% then increase the bet with the sum of bet+(bet/100).

This was the result:

I even dislike bot betting application for everything and why i dislike this, is because i know that it will have much disadvantages and secondly it is not every gambling site or gambling section it will happen to, casino games is that kind of gamble and soccer kind of game such application can work for, and it won't be perfect, and the subscription you will use to bet through the application can be the fund they will refund you if you lose, so i have not seen any benefits

The benefits of betting with a bot is that you could run a betting strategy without doing anything, you could be working or making some stuff while your bot chase a 10,000 bets run.

By the way, I added a couple of bots to the site:

Name: x250
Description: The bot divides the balance between 1000, and when the balance goes under 90% (100 bets), it start increasing the bet. You can see the image in my past post.

Name: Inverse Martingale
Description: When you win the bet, then the profit multiply x2, if you lose then the bet amount gets back to the starting point, this is the image:


And I updated the bot section adding an image of each bot working, that will help some of you to see how it works.

I'm seriously doubtful about this method of earning. I'll check with attention, and I'll let you know.

I don't like to play with that stake, usually I play max at 5x, but with my hand. (Just to say, I'll do it only for fun, not for earning, just to see how it works)

this experiment is interesting and I think it's really useful for educational purpose because at the end of each run you will obtain only the proper distribution of data.

I mean, if you play with higher stakes (x100) you will get so far the result expected... likewise
1 of 100 simulation will probably hit the x100
99 of 100 simulation will not hit this result.

What it could be another usage?

Same I still wonder what they can do with it. Also, there are so many players inside that casino and I don't think that all of their outcomes are going to be the same. They can monitor all of it? and maybe they can do something like crash the page for a while or making it temporarily unavailable so that the player can skip that next winning bet? About the odds, for sure they can modify this because each casino are promoted with a different set of odds, it can be high or low but that would be completely cheating if they do that stuffs. Thanks for exposing this though

@seoincorporation
If ever we are a player of this site and in case there is a strange thing that is happening with the way we bet, we already know the reason behind it.

This is another topic mate but I'm happy to explain my point of view.

The only ones at risk on BC casino are the investors since the developers know the next result they could place a bet with the knowledge that they will win or lose, and they don't have to take all the money from the bankroll.  If the site is in profit bigger than the house edge, then they can place winning bets to adjust that part and take the money to they pocked.

I want to be clear on this point, I'm not saying they are cheating their investors, but with their current provably fair engine they can.

Thanks OP, this will be my watchlist for bots in dice games. Maybe as an alternative to try. Of course bots for games especially in dice games can be more useful when I want to go out and let the bot run to run a few rounds of commands. I think this initiative needs to be tested so we know its effectiveness.

The idea itself can work well I think with such bots. The only problem is that no tactic or strategy is profitable without risk. So whether you use a bot or not, you will always risk losing money. With poker, such bots are also used to assess and analyze hands. In the end things like this can really work, but you have to use your own mind as well and try to combine this.

^ I think I agree with this idea, why not you will allow other users here to test your dice bot for free even just a 1 day, if your project has this kind of feature much better because usually, gamblers will believe once they tested. For sure there are a lot of gamblers here who wanted to try that bot and how it is effective but some don't have a budget which is why they prefer to play dice manually. I want to try it too to myself but if OP allow to give a free test on his bot.

These bots are free my friend, you can find them in the bots section of the site:
https://justdice.lucky.lat/bot.html

I uploaded an image of the bets I get with each bot. That way you will have a clear idea about how it works.

If you click on the 'get code' link you will have to wait like 8 seconds, and after that, you will be redirected to a Pastebin with the code.

That's an awesome project, thanks a lot already for the work you put in. Running some simulation on our strategies is a good idea and can help to see if it's profitable in the long run or not. I am not sure how much work it is for you to add additional casinos, would be nice to see all the major crypto casinos in your website. In the past I ran some simulation on Excel, but these were not based on direct casino seeds, rather on some simple probability calculations. We know all the winning chances of the games and can build strategies on that, using exact casino rounds is much more precise. Of course this is always an simulation only, and even the best strategy build from simulations is no guarantee that we will make money from it. It's a good indication and validation for our stragies. Now I am wondering if you could actually make money with your site  :D

I run the bots just for fun too, and with the right luck you can get some impressive multipliers like the x2475 that I hit today:



I'm open to growing this service by adding new casinos, It's a task that will take some time but now is on my 'To Do' list.

The cool thing about using the same seed as the casino is that we can see how the future rolls would be with that seed, I did the test with the x2475 and get this result.



The first one was at bet 1342, and I was lucky, but if you see there was a bad streak on the next 3 shots, all of them take between 5,000 and 9,000 bets  :-[ so, as I mention before, you need luck to win, with or without a but luck is the main fact in gambling.

By the way, I just updated the site with this Jackpot bot, I hope you all have the same luck that I had with it and get that multiplier fast.

How can one get all these keys to unlock the system (server)? Because from what you explained it is a very good idea to verify before gambling a casino games site and if possible to know the next game for your choice but according to you, we can not use to predict the next game base and n it that the key in the server is hidden, so if the key his hidden, what shall we do to see the hidden keys. Even the boot is like fun although, normal game bots are for entertainment or funs with friends. Your just-diçe is a nice project and the site awesome. I will like to test your games to know the authenticity of the site because I have confidence in you because I have seen your reputation in the forum. The bot is not opening from my end. Is it network issue or from your server? Although I have network challenges in my location these days. Anytime when I have strong network I will check the bot

Hello Agbe, let me explain how to get the data for the provably fair and how it works.

The site will provide a hash of the server seed... and the server seed will be hidden until we get a new seed... it looks like this way:


If we want to verify that bet, we need to know the server seed, so, we move to the 'Radomize' button to ask for a new seed:


And when we go back to the bet information, now the secret seed is revealed.


And with that information we can use my bet verification to validate the bet:

server seed: juBa1RpvUBY30AtRyErgIb97lrjH6QHly8kyzX7QANG8z8qvnNZPW.sUg6SmHFB6
client seed: gg6
nonce: 8563


And that's how the verification works my friend, I hope it's clear now for you ;)

I will keep working on this verifier and simulation code, expect a huge update soon guys.

This is quite an interesting project you are working on!
May I ask how much time you have invested into this simulator? What coding language did you use?

Also, what are the basic maintenance you are supposed to perform on this simulator so it can run correctly according to the seed of the casino? I assume it is matter of updating the seed which the simulator is running, right?

I have personally been interested on working on crypto projects as well, simulators included but I am afraid I have not had enough time to do so.  :D

My starting point of analysis to any "system" is that it is in all likelyhood, a bad idea and comes from a misconception or a mathematical mistake. On this case it seems exactly that. To be honest, I have only seen two "methods" to beat the casinos that actually work. The first one was based on detecting irregularities in roulettes in physical casinos, the other is in sports betting based on wrong odds settings.

There are things that I don't know what a bot can do in a casino, if I use a bot in a casino it is so that it tells me which are the moves that I have to make, and I don't think there is one like that, I don't care if the bot get codes, if I don't program how could I make changes? I don't see much use for this bot thing, what takes away is all the emotion of playing and earning that they eliminate the account for cheating.

This is the second vesion of the simulator... the first one was made for luckybit, and each one takes me a couple of days to develop. For them i'm using JS to build the tables and do the math.

The current one is working fine, as you can see on the images of my last post the seed's and the nonce gives the same result as the casino.

There was no maintenance, but right now i'm working on a better version, i want to build something big with multiple casinos and not only JD.

Hey paxmao, there are other ways, as i always say, we can't always win, but we can't always lose... You need to trust in your luck some time. And then run bots for the long run. I have been hitting multipliers like x7000, x99,000, x10,000 in the past 2 weeks. Is what i decide after running some simulations and now after 152,500 bets i'm in profit.


If you have a betting logic i can create the bot for you ;)

Damn, those are some nice high multipliers you have there. Can you tell us how did your bot help you in hitting these multipliers.
Or are these just of luck?


I think danadc wants to have a customizable option to control the bot. He doesn't want the bot to be dependent on it's developer for a change in strategy.
But in this case, your bot is just a simulator of the bets. So there's no need for a change of strategy in here right.

Only two days ? That sounds quite efficient.
Obviously, if you have the chance, you should include those casinos with most volume or those that are more popular among the forum users, so your project would gain even more attention and support from all of us.

Who knows, perhaps when it gets more sofisticated, you could include a donation address for Satoshis and CLAMS.

Keep us updated.

Here we are talking about two projects mate, one is the betting bot, and another one is the bets simulator. The betting bot helped me to hit this huge multipliers by 'Brute force'... I mean place 50,000 bets by clicks could be a nightmare. And the simulator is to see how bad things could go in the long run.


Two days because i get stuck in a weird part of the provably fair engine... When you take the first 5 chars of the string and the decimal result is over 1M then you need to go for the next 5 chars in the string until you find a number lower than 1M, and it's possible because the last string is only 3 chars, but get at that point is almost impossible.  :P