Title: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: English Patrol Scuad on June 21, 2022, 10:37:25 AM I know that I should post it in this thread: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2022 Q2) [MODERATED] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394559.0) - but because I am still doing investigation to find out the truth and accuracy of the evidence based on sentiment here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402734.msg60372024#msg60372024), so I decided to start this thread before posting it in the right place.
2: Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)
Proof found: https://i.imgur.com/GsKddFw.jpg [Archive] (https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=bc1q7acs7fj8eg396kpzs2fkzg9wpqfgtd52hd74xg) https://i.imgur.com/E82ax9b.jpg [Archive] (https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=bc1qs3t5lcnx4qgw0n72ta6thnzwqtwws4468hg835) Related Addresses: Code: bc1q7acs7fj8eg396kpzs2fkzg9wpqfgtd52hd74xg - Ezravdb Explanation: The two addresses were connected because they were caught sending a number of bitcoin received in one of Hhampuz campaigns (Mason Five), Ezravdb send bitcoin to Jeway. Proof: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/10b00cde3e1b44870e912bea02f25cd64a21bf3008e43cb693e511fbcd65cb29 Ezravdb & Jeway also cheats another camapaign Hhampuz: [BOUNTY] Monopoly Millionaire MMG | 4 Week $30k Social Media/Sig Bounty! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387813.0) who both join the signature program. On the spreadsheet page, Ezravdb is at number 89 while Jeway is at 74. https://i.imgur.com/VFEZStb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WzewipS.jpg Spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14RrRRR6Bpx3iWvcv71W5Epypuyu0KL_a-S-IBHLlMBw/edit#gid=1913642730 Ezravdb & Jeway also cheats camapaign Hhampuz: [BOUNTY] Mason Five | A Brief History of Tomorrow | 2 Week Signature/Twitter $3k (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387767.0) who both join the signature program. On the spreadsheet page, Ezravdb is at number 34 while Jeway is at 22. https://i.imgur.com/sVb5hiP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rSagKc7.jpg Spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wuivUmF_QRhN7GLlkXMKniWxR25BZBCawEFHqrqh0kM/edit#gid=975084243 Later, Ezravdb & Jeway tried to scam another campaign (Stake.com) by submitting an application. Jeway has already been accepted into the campaign, while Ezravdb seems to have failed. https://i.imgur.com/besevpC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/07GCgb1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/k8XJHUm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/e9GZ9hL.jpg So, if you and I use this evidence as a compelling reason to tag Ezravdb & Jeway as a cheater, is this an unreasonable error? Someone may be able to quote my post to show the image. I'm still a newbie so I can't post image. Thanks Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Solosanz on June 21, 2022, 12:15:05 PM I know that I should post it in this thread: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2022 Q2) [MODERATED] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394559.0) - but because I am still doing investigation to find out the truth and accuracy of the evidence based on sentiment here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402734.msg60372024#msg60372024), so I decided to start this thread before posting it in the right place. Quoted for visibility, want to watch the drama first.2: Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)
Proof found: https://i.imgur.com/GsKddFw.jpg [Archive] (https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=bc1q7acs7fj8eg396kpzs2fkzg9wpqfgtd52hd74xg) https://i.imgur.com/E82ax9b.jpg [Archive] (https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=bc1qs3t5lcnx4qgw0n72ta6thnzwqtwws4468hg835) Related Addresses: Code: bc1q7acs7fj8eg396kpzs2fkzg9wpqfgtd52hd74xg - Ezravdb Explanation: The two addresses were connected because they were caught sending a number of bitcoin received in one of Hhampuz campaigns (Mason Five), Ezravdb send bitcoin to Jeway. Proof: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/10b00cde3e1b44870e912bea02f25cd64a21bf3008e43cb693e511fbcd65cb29 Ezravdb & Jeway also cheats another camapaign Hhampuz: [BOUNTY] Monopoly Millionaire MMG | 4 Week $30k Social Media/Sig Bounty! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387813.0) who both join the signature program. On the spreadsheet page, Ezravdb is at number 89 while Jeway is at 74. https://i.imgur.com/VFEZStb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WzewipS.jpg Spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14RrRRR6Bpx3iWvcv71W5Epypuyu0KL_a-S-IBHLlMBw/edit#gid=1913642730 Ezravdb & Jeway also cheats camapaign Hhampuz: [BOUNTY] Mason Five | A Brief History of Tomorrow | 2 Week Signature/Twitter $3k (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387767.0) who both join the signature program. On the spreadsheet page, Ezravdb is at number 34 while Jeway is at 22. https://i.imgur.com/sVb5hiP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rSagKc7.jpg Spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wuivUmF_QRhN7GLlkXMKniWxR25BZBCawEFHqrqh0kM/edit#gid=975084243 Later, Ezravdb & Jeway tried to scam another campaign (Stake.com) by submitting an application. Jeway has already been accepted into the campaign, while Ezravdb seems to have failed. https://i.imgur.com/besevpC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/07GCgb1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/k8XJHUm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/e9GZ9hL.jpg So, if you and I use this evidence as a compelling reason to tag Ezravdb & Jeway as a cheater, is this an unreasonable error? Someone may be able to quote my post to show the image. I'm still a newbie so I can't post image. Thanks Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: _BlackStar on June 22, 2022, 10:19:57 AM OP, the evidence you present is much more complete than the evidence I found, it seems much more convincing that my doubts all along not to say the two accounts are connection are in vain. They send bitcoin from account A's wallet to account B wallet before sending them to the exchange wallet, that's solid evidence at this point. Then they also cheated on some of the same campaign which is a violation of any manager's rules for campaign. I have previously notified Hhampuz about these account connection, I hope now they should be excluded from any campaign he manage and any campaign manager should blacklist these two accounts.
want to watch the drama first. There shouldn't be any drama as the evidence is pretty clear and I have to tag it as a connection account and cheat many campaign. But if it proves otherwise, I'm also willing to revise that tag ASAP.Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: _BlackStar on July 17, 2022, 05:28:57 PM Due to the evidence in this thread I tag 2 accounts, but I don't see it effective so far [at least for managers and campaign]. One of the [Jeway] users is still in this campaign and he gets paid weekly even though the evidence mentioned in this thread is quite valid. I'd like to invite @Carrollzinha to share his opinion on why those users are still in your campaign even though they were found guilty and broke the rules?
♦️ If you receive negative trust while enrolled we reserve the right to check & kick you out from the campaign with no pay ♦️ Members with more than 1 account in this campaign will be kicked out with no pay Is it because my DT power is not convincing enough, or whether 1 valid red tag can't really prove anything? Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: JeromeTash on July 17, 2022, 07:15:08 PM Due to the evidence in this thread I tag 2 accounts, but I don't see it effective so far [at least for managers and campaign]. One of the [Jeway] users is still in this campaign and he gets paid weekly even though the evidence mentioned in this thread is quite valid. I'd like to invite @Carrollzinha to share his opinion on why those users are still in your campaign even though they were found guilty and broke the rules? You did what you had to do... It's up to the signature campaign manager to remove them from the campaign or not. I don't think it has anything to do with your DT "power" or something along those lines.♦️ If you receive negative trust while enrolled we reserve the right to check & kick you out from the campaign with no pay ♦️ Members with more than 1 account in this campaign will be kicked out with no pay Is it because my DT power is not convincing enough, or whether 1 valid red tag can't really prove anything? Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Mahdirakib on July 18, 2022, 11:52:47 AM I'd like to invite @Carrollzinha to share his opinion on why those users are still in your campaign even though they were found guilty and broke the rules? Maybe the second rules is limited to the use of alts in the Stake campaign only. User ‘Jeway’ have two negative feedback on his account now. Based on the first rules, Jeway should be removed from the campaign. I have asked the campaign manager about it, and she said this♦️ If you receive negative trust while enrolled we reserve the right to check & kick you out from the campaign with no pay ♦️ Members with more than 1 account in this campaign will be kicked out with no pay Is it because my DT power is not convincing enough, or whether 1 valid red tag can't really prove anything? https://i.imgur.com/zHFuTmG.jpg Anyway, current week of Stake signature campaign will end today. I think Carrollzinha is going to take some actions today when this week will end. Perhaps, she is going to follow the first rule. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: _BlackStar on July 18, 2022, 02:31:45 PM You did what you had to do... It's up to the signature campaign manager to remove them from the campaign or not. I don't think it has anything to do with your DT "power" or something along those lines. Yes, as you said should have nothing to do with my DT power. Managers have the right to decide anything, but when they make written rules, it can be a bit unprofessional if they break them, unless they remove them from the rules.Maybe the second rules is limited to the use of alts in the Stake campaign only. How not, even though only one account is accepted and is in the campaign, this user wants to cheat the campaign by registering with two accounts. Don't you think it's cheating?I've also notified the manager about the tags I gave to both accounts, now I'm waiting to see what the manager will do for them or at least one of the accounts still in the campaign. If managers don't want to hire spammers or users who break the rules, then they shouldn't hire cheaters either. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Little Mouse on July 18, 2022, 03:20:04 PM Due to the evidence in this thread I tag 2 accounts, but I don't see it effective so far [at least for managers and campaign]. One of the [Jeway] users is still in this campaign and he gets paid weekly even though the evidence mentioned in this thread is quite valid. Come on, mate. If someone doesn't have any problem attaching their brand to a neg tagged user, that's their choice. You have done your job by tagging the accounts. Did you tag them because you want them to be kicked out from the campaign? I'm pretty much sure your motive was to expose them as alt only. You feedback is still valid to expose them as alt. You don't need to be worried anymore I think.Is it because my DT power is not convincing enough, or whether 1 valid red tag can't really prove anything? Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Mahdirakib on July 18, 2022, 04:35:44 PM How not, even though only one account is accepted and is in the campaign, this user wants to cheat the campaign by registering with two accounts. Don't you think it's cheating? He made the attempt of cheating in Stake campaign, but he failed to do it as the campaign manager didn't accept his alt account ‘Ezravdb’. However, he has made the abuse in other campaign in the past. In that case, JeWay really deserve to be kicked out from the campaign. JeWay was only active in the Gambling Discussion board since last month, and he hasn't shown any contribution to the forum. Moreover, he is using his alts account to take the benefits from the signature campaign here. I just left negative feedback to his accounts.~snip~ The user tried to break the rules of the campaign. JeWay/Ezravdb has abused in some other campaign before. It will encourage other abusers to do the same thing if the campaign manager doesn't take any action against him.Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: FatFork on July 18, 2022, 05:03:20 PM How not, even though only one account is accepted and is in the campaign, this user wants to cheat the campaign by registering with two accounts. Don't you think it's cheating? I've also notified the manager about the tags I gave to both accounts, now I'm waiting to see what the manager will do for them or at least one of the accounts still in the campaign. If managers don't want to hire spammers or users who break the rules, then they shouldn't hire cheaters either. Yes, according to your evidence, he participated in bounty campaigns with multiple accounts, and that is definitely cheating. The important thing is that the cheater is detected and that the bounty manager is aware of the facts. Now it is up to the bounty manager whether he wants to keep such members in his campaign or not. Many bounty managers decide on each participant on an individual basis, regardless of negative tags. And that's okay. Because sometimes trust scores, even from DT members, can be unfounded or unfair, so it is better for each manager to decide what works best for his campaign. BTW, since the suspected members did not comment or try to explain their side of the story, I left a few negatives on their accounts as well. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: JeromeTash on July 18, 2022, 08:07:35 PM Yes, as you said should have nothing to do with my DT power. Managers have the right to decide anything, but when they make written rules, it can be a bit unprofessional if they break them, unless they remove them from the rules. I understand your point too, but let's leave that for the Campaign manager to decide since they are the ones spending the money on the campaign. Pushing too hard for it may lead to unwanted drama.♦️ If you receive negative trust while enrolled we reserve the right to check & kick you out from the campaign with no pay There's nothing that suggests that as soon as someone receives negative feedback, they will be kicked out of the campaign ASAP.I have seen a couple of managers (not 1xbit) accept certain users with negative rep. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: _BlackStar on July 19, 2022, 11:25:30 AM Come on, mate. If someone doesn't have any problem attaching their brand to a neg tagged user, that's their choice. Nice, you're right. But let's take a look at one of the suggestions on signature guidelines, it would be great for every manager to consider. So we don't have to worry too much about that because the campaign manager also has a perspective on why participants are accepted or not on a case by case basis. But if the tag was clearly caused by cheats in some of the previous campaigns, then accepting it in the campaign is a bad idea.• Consider not accepting users with negative feedback. It never looks good when users have negative feedback and 99% of the time the feedback is there for a good reason, but if you want to take this on a case by case basis then that's down to you. Did you tag them because you want them to be kicked out from the campaign? Nope, it's a bad idea and I've never thought of anything like that.I'm pretty much sure your motive was to expose them as alt only. You feedback is still valid to expose them as alt. You don't need to be worried anymore I think. You're right, the motive is to find more cheater and tell managers that they shouldn't work with cheater. My question is only because there are rules stating prohibition, otherwise what's the point of rules?50 merit, for what? :o I have seen a couple of managers (not 1xbit) accept certain users with negative rep. Remember, it is at their discretion on a case by case basis. But back to the best advice, don't give cheater a chance to promote your campaign as they might as well scam you. So I'm done here.Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: FatFork on July 19, 2022, 01:02:58 PM 50 merit, for what? :o The 50 merit for that post is probably his way of venting frustrations after being kicked out of Stake campaign. It is unlikely that we'll see these accounts used on the forum anymore. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Pandu Geddon on July 19, 2022, 01:45:19 PM if traced from the blockchain transactions of the two accounts. both accounts may be part of a fairly high-ranking farm account.
I'm still not sure about the blockchain transaction proof I got. but maybe this could be another clue for another investigation from @JeWay account. transactions that occur are seen with almost the same pattern and time. all of them send using the new wallet before sending them to the main wallet. account wallet => new wallet => main wallet Proof: https://bscscan.com/address/0x2df9a2f3298d505fa87678c8bc9016acd7a55f41 Quote
there are more, some accounts with full member and Senior Member rankings. Triangular transactions such as these may not be strong evidence of a farm account connection. but looking at the transaction times and transaction patterns which are almost the same, I assume everything is indeed connected. I'm trying to find other evidence, but nothing for now. but for the linkage, these accounts join in the same bounty campaign. I'm sure there is. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: _BlackStar on July 19, 2022, 05:26:51 PM -snip- And it looks like we're going to do another big cleanup now that you've discovered this oddity. I will do a thorough check of all the addresses in the above transaction, for sure we will get more accounts connected now. Thank you for telling, Will update the list soon.I'm trying to find other evidence, but nothing for now. but for the linkage, these accounts join in the same bounty campaign. I'm sure there is. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Mahdirakib on July 19, 2022, 06:08:25 PM 50 merit, for what? :o The 50 merit for that post is probably his way of venting frustrations after being kicked out of Stake campaign. It is unlikely that we'll see these accounts used on the forum anymore. -snip- And it looks like we're going to do another big cleanup now that you've discovered this oddity. I will do a thorough check of all the addresses in the above transaction, for sure we will get more accounts connected now. Thank you for telling, Will update the list soon.I'm trying to find other evidence, but nothing for now. but for the linkage, these accounts join in the same bounty campaign. I'm sure there is. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: _BlackStar on July 19, 2022, 06:46:14 PM The above evidence won't be enough to connect those accounts with each other. Perhaps, the user has used ‘new address’ as a middleman so that no one can link those accounts directly. I hope you guys will find some direct evidence of those accounts connection. I appreciate your efforts. Why do you think so, did you try to do more research from the above transactions? Now let's see what I found based on the available evidence here: https://bscscan.com/address/0x2df9a2f3298d505fa87678c8bc9016acd7a55f4116 accounts connected: account wallet in bounty => new wallet => main wallet Strategy: Join the same campaign, get paid, sell it to the exchange, and accumulate all BNB to the main wallet. Code: Main wallet: 0x2df9a2f3298d505fa87678c8bc9016acd7a55f41 Code: cvasy 1. cvasy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=335344) Code: - 0x09095C90861D28a67B737c82e07652fBA42083ec 2. Ten98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36821) Code: - 0xDcEf5FeD5a341c4bf80489577806E39Aa80fDca6 3. davincicode666 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=551012) Code: - 0x388c8907A6287FB46924Ecb756Aa05d71ab2AB3E 4. adiebitsler (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=876668) Code: - 0x27c0431D33eaceC7C1224B4Ed79cFda5Cf73f895 5. Ezravdb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=200387) Code: - 0x0b4300a8f1aFfad5459688edE59fDD3731f8E4aa 6. domoy77 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=960112) Code: - 0xd08aC3B2Cc3f414Bb995C72176663E1D9E47A041 7. BlackBaron (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=388819) Code: - 0x7c789F514F2bf007eB810318DEEEb859B3394658 8. JeWay (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=517668) Code: - 0x07B5D66C93F33249EB87c9031A563032681e36cB 9. marcous (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=378857) Code: - 0x6E62AD4f245f69315A66ffD620dc0Ac1d8dE948d 10. Surrapatt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982807) Code: - 0xD699A9144078Df8B93Faff615965626166Bc7617 11. 2tang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1003532) Code: - 0xC86a5d29d2Ff6724A4F9484a99918E2eFF6d0a93 12. fadil46 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1169153) Code: - 0x8bfFF3831d356444a434823cf6026FC50c4b1faD 13. imamusma (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=768660) Code: - 0xCe2b095Ad4499f3751d54e0C7C363300Db4A8ac3 14. whiteblue (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=341209) Code: - 0xF2847891CC55c9a158EA63270ceba1611AF6d9c1 15. alisonwonder (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=930156) Code: - 0x277D24300684CAE24dC410eFeBd13eC3b835C503 16. arifteguhr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=796734) Code: - 0x2211f17Ca8c70990DB9f430Fc2687a6CF3B895f4 I really believe that all the accounts I got based on the evidence above are linked to each other and join the same campaign [quite a lot of campaigns]. This is the big of farmers accounts, so I think they all deserve a negative tag now. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Igebotz on July 19, 2022, 07:45:01 PM I really believe that all the accounts I got based on the evidence above are linked to each other and join the same campaign [quite a lot of campaigns]. This is the big of farmers accounts, so I think they all deserve a negative tag now. Will you decide the fate of 16 accounts for a transactions outside of the forum? Do you know that some bounty hunters buy from other bounty hunters after distribution? Are you also aware that some bounty managers also buy shitcoins from hunters? All of this occurs outside of the forum. Not saying same thing happened here but this COULD be the case in the accounts below, I believe that painting red is overkill! I expected to see a bunch of newbies farming, but this is different. You might also want to slowdown buddy, you've been painting a lot lately. I will investigate this case further and provide feedback if I discover anything new. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: BITCOIN4X on July 19, 2022, 08:45:53 PM _BlackStar, I don't know how you linked all of the above accounts as cheates and stabbed every single one of their ass with a red pen, that's something awful to see in my opinion. Some of the accounts are from the local Indonesian community and this is really sad for me to watch.
I'm not against how you expose cheaters accounts, but tagging the 16 accounts above still requires clear evidence to avoid being off-target. Maybe you need to consider some reasons before tag them all because as one of the local Indonesian community, I am very sad to know that some of the above accounts are red tagged if it is not proven to be true. Give them a chance to explain the problem, so there's at least a pause before you stab ass all of them. This is my friendly request to you, while I appreciate your forum contribution. Thank you. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Timelord2067 on July 20, 2022, 12:32:32 AM _BlackStar, I don't know how you linked all of the above accounts as cheates and stabbed every single one of their ass with a red pen, that's something awful to see in my opinion. Funny how English Patrol Scuad started the thread but it's _BlackStar who is asking all the questions... ::) Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: rozak on July 20, 2022, 07:54:53 AM I really believe that all the accounts I got based on the evidence above are linked to each other and join the same campaign [quite a lot of campaigns]. This is the big of farmers accounts, so I think they all deserve a negative tag now. the red tag you provided seems overkill. all accounts do have the same transaction pattern. but that doesn't provide solid evidence for the red tag you provided. I know the tags you provide are private from your own research. but in my view a neutral tag indicating the possibility the account is part of a farm would make more sense. as @igehhh said, there is another possibility for a transaction to occur. after that, everyone can look for other evidence to substantiate the blockchain transactions that have been published. such as the use of social media or the same address. Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: Carollzinha on July 20, 2022, 08:27:26 AM I'd like to invite @Carrollzinha to share his opinion on why those users are still in your campaign even though they were found guilty and broke the rules? Maybe the second rules is limited to the use of alts in the Stake campaign only. User ‘Jeway’ have two negative feedback on his account now. Based on the first rules, Jeway should be removed from the campaign. I have asked the campaign manager about it, and she said this♦️ If you receive negative trust while enrolled we reserve the right to check & kick you out from the campaign with no pay ♦️ Members with more than 1 account in this campaign will be kicked out with no pay Is it because my DT power is not convincing enough, or whether 1 valid red tag can't really prove anything? https://i.imgur.com/zHFuTmG.jpg Anyway, current week of Stake signature campaign will end today. I think Carrollzinha is going to take some actions today when this week will end. Perhaps, she is going to follow the first rule. Just as it was said in that image, his first negative trust was kinda irrelevant as he had no other account in the campaign but at the moment he received that second negative trust, while he was inside of it, then he surely could not be kept. As I previously mentioned in a few forum threads, we have someone only taking care of these cases (negative trust & edited posts) since we have had recently 2 guys breaking these rules inside the campaign so we were aware of that -2 of JeWay still on Sunday, which made things easier for us not to be paying him for one more week. Also I can't deny that Mahdirakib's message on Telegram got me surprised as I had no idea how big this issue could become. Also, one more time, I want to thank you guys for still being around & helping us to keep not only our campaigns but specially the forum clean of such things. And last but not least, my name is "Carollzinha", not "Carrollzinha" and I am "her", not "him" :P Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: _BlackStar on July 21, 2022, 09:27:13 AM -snip- -snip- -snip- I understand your concern about this possibility, but realize it or not there are some very basic differences that you can use as the reason why I say the 16 accounts above are cheaters not collectors. Here's the logic.https://i.imgur.com/sYbIIjh.png Explanation: Bounty cheaters: After the cheaters get paid from the bounty, most of them will sell to the exchange for fear of losing the price. To erase the traces of transactions, they try to move all those tokens or coins to a new wallet before selling them on an exchange. For some scammers who know how to get rid of the trail, they might convert all the token proceeds sold to another altcoin before they accumulate it to the main wallet. But in this case, all the cheaters don't convert BNB to other altcoins and they just sell and accumulate it to the main wallet and this keeps traces of the transactions discoverable. Collector: They buy from bounty hunters, and any tokens or coins they buy will not be immediately sold to the exchange because usually they will wait for a higher price. All of these tokens or coins are more likely to be in one wallet [temporary wallet] before waiting for the price to worth it. They will sell to the exchange in a single transaction, not every time they buy from a bounty hunter. The reason collectors buy tokens or coins from bounty hunters is to hold them for a certain period of time and they want to maximize the potential of altcoins, not sell them immediately after they buy. After all, the reason you are worried has actually become a common reason for every cheater who is caught accumulating their assets to the main wallet, especially because they are caught bounty cheats with multiple accounts. Marking the above 16 accounts obviously for one reason, they are bounty hunters who cheat by joining multiple accounts on the same bounty. You can also do further research on the 16 accounts above. But I'll bet that you won't find social media connections between accounts and wallet connections between accounts because they are experienced enough people to avoid mistakes. But unfortunately, they forget that accumulating assets to the main wallet without converting them into other altcoins can be accurate evidence to get them tagged as cheaters. Maybe I can still make the mistake of marking the above 16 accounts as cheaters, and if that's true then I'm still willing to remove or revise the tag. But unfortunately not many people like to look for cheaters from high ranking accounts but it seems they are very good at getting cheater accounts from newbie who just abuse social media campaigns for a few cents. Funny how English Patrol Scuad started the thread but it's _BlackStar who is asking all the questions... ::) As you can see in the thread, not many people are willing to do their research and get solid evidence about the first two accounts until I actually flag them, but about newbies a lot of people do the opposite. After all, we can't just sharp to down, right? This is free work, so anyway this is part of the contribution too.Title: Re: Investigation of possible 2 cheater accounts: Ezravdb & Jeway Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 21, 2022, 01:49:03 PM stabbed every single one of their ass with a red pen LOL. Honestly, I'm not even understanding the blockchain connection evidence between the two accounts as presented in the OP. It doesn't look as though those two accounts were using the same address to receive payments, right? That's what usually is used to link accounts together (or something similar).<snip> Give them a chance to explain the problem, so there's at least a pause before you stab ass all of them. But we all know account farms exist, and it does look mighty suspicious to me that these two accounts seem to be following each other around. I know bounty hunters tend to apply to numerous bounties, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are indeed alts. Funny how English Patrol Scuad started the thread but it's _BlackStar who is asking all the questions... ::) That is odd, is it not? |