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Title: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: tjtonmoy on July 16, 2022, 10:28:21 AM
I have been in Bitcointalk forum for a year and a half(+/-) now. And one thing I find very disappointing that you won't get any notifications on who replied you on your posts/replies.
Like other social media, for example, they show you the notification for who and where the reply is made.
https://i.ibb.co/5RcpjRF/image.png
As shown on the screenshot, there's an option called "Show new replies to your posts."
But this only shows the topics in which the reply was made, and not where and who made that reply.
Also, if you are having a conversation with someone like discussing something, and that's a hot topic in which people are blasting their comments. You might not find the reply and conversation you were having. It is possible, but you may have to search a lot to find that.
Also, there's an option in which you can turn on notification, but that sends all the other replies made on the topic which are not related to your conversations.
So it's good to have a separate field where we can receive those notifications, which are specified to only replies, and we can access it through that notification link.
If this already exist in forum then I would like someone to point me out please.
Also share your thought which needs improvements in forum and what should be necessary to add.
And if not, then I think it should be a really good option to have on forum.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: un_rank on July 16, 2022, 10:36:00 AM
You are right, it is a hassle that the forum does not have an effective notification system.
There however are bots created by forum users that helps with this. I know of such bots from TryNinja[1] and LoyceV[2], there could possibly be more.

[1]    
[TELEGRAM] Yet Another BitcoinTalk Notification BOT... (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.msg54441882#msg54441882)
[2] LoyceV's notification bot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5331343.msg56809456#msg56809456)

Hopefully, when the new forum software is launched there would be a way to get notifications without using bots or extensions.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: Apocollapse on July 16, 2022, 10:36:25 AM
You can use telegram bot created by TryNinja [TELEGRAM] Yet Another BitcoinTalk Notification BOT (merits, mentions, topics,+) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.0) the bot can also notified you when someone mention your username in any topics.

This feature is good to be implemented and many users already create a bunch thread about this suggestion, but I think it can be easily abused by brand new or newbie users that will mention a user without any reason. Then user will get many notify and it just become spam, so they wouldn't use that's feature since the forum show most of the posts that he didn't want to see/expect.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: Oshosondy on July 16, 2022, 11:02:11 AM
You have all it takes to get all notifications that you want.

If you want merit and quote notifications, you can use the Telegram notification not (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.msg54441882#msg54441882).

I will not advice you to use the Telegram bot for replies notifications because the bot will notify you of each person posts, even if you are not checking the replies. This can be annoying at times.

For notification of replies under topic, scroll to the right side of the thread, at the upper or lower part, you will see notify which is beside reply that you click on if you want to reply to a topic, enable the notification there. If you have the email as active email notification on your device, you will be notified. The reason I like it is because once you do not click on it to check the reply again, you will not be notified again until you continue to check the reply.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: tranthidung on July 16, 2022, 11:23:56 AM
About notifications for replies, you can get it from the forum, in Profile settings.

Some options. Let's tick the highlighted option.
Quote
  • Automatically watch topics after replying to them. (You can add all of your posted-in topics to your watchlist.)
  • Receive forum announcements and important notifications by email.
  • Receive reply notification only for the first unread reply.
  • Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic.
  • When sending notification of a reply to a topic, send the post in the email (but please don't reply to these emails.)

For unofficial solutions, you can try notification bots.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: LoyceV on July 16, 2022, 11:52:55 AM
About notifications for replies, you can get it from the forum, in Profile settings.
Some options. Let's tick the highlighted option.
Quote
  • Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic.
That means you'll get an email when someone posts in a topic, not when someone mentions you.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: tjtonmoy on July 16, 2022, 03:52:29 PM
About notifications for replies, you can get it from the forum, in Profile settings.

Some options. Let's tick the highlighted option.
Quote
  • Automatically watch topics after replying to them. (You can add all of your posted-in topics to your watchlist.)
  • Receive forum announcements and important notifications by email.
  • Receive reply notification only for the first unread reply.
  • Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic.
  • When sending notification of a reply to a topic, send the post in the email (but please don't reply to these emails.)

For unofficial solutions, you can try notification bots.
I mentioned it on the post already, and it's not useful for many reasons. It will spam your notification with every unrelated replies.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: tjtonmoy on July 16, 2022, 03:54:56 PM
You have all it takes to get all notifications that you want.

If you want merit and quote notifications, you can use the Telegram notification not (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.msg54441882#msg54441882).



I don't trust 3rd party options. As long as it's not in the forum, I won't use it. Got hacked few days earlier. So no to 3rd party


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: LoyceV on July 16, 2022, 04:05:21 PM
I don't trust 3rd party options.
Then build your own :) And while you're at it: allow others to use it too.

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As long as it's not in the forum, I won't use it.
How about a web page? See:
[2] LoyceV's notification bot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5331343.msg56809456#msg56809456)
It gives you a web page (example (https://loyce.club/notifications/459836.html)). Feel free to use Tor browser (https://www.torproject.org/download/).


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: tjtonmoy on July 16, 2022, 05:20:27 PM

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I don't trust 3rd party options.
Then build your own :) And while you're at it: allow others to use it too.

I'm not qualified to do so... I have no knowledge!
and I don't want to use other's..
I'll wait for when it's officially added on forum.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: TryNinja on July 16, 2022, 06:37:32 PM
I don't trust 3rd party options. As long as it's not in the forum, I won't use it. Got hacked few days earlier. So no to 3rd party
My bot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.msg54441882#msg54441882) runs natively on Telegram (it uses their official bot API) and doesn't ask for any password or access code whatsoever. How would I hack you? :P

Unless you don't trust Telegram, which is fine.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: tjtonmoy on July 16, 2022, 08:03:29 PM
I don't trust 3rd party options. As long as it's not in the forum, I won't use it. Got hacked few days earlier. So no to 3rd party
My bot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.msg54441882#msg54441882) runs natively on Telegram (it uses their official bot API) and doesn't ask for any password or access code whatsoever. How would I hack you? :P

Unless you don't trust Telegram, which is fine.
it's not like that! it's just I can't explain it to you.. the purpose of the post was to creat attention to the main fact of notifications and add it officially in forum... if your bot claims and deliver as you said then i should give it a try for sure


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: PX-Z on July 16, 2022, 09:15:08 PM
the purpose of the post was to creat attention to the main fact of notifications and add it officially in forum...
Then you will wait for ages for that to happen, there are already lot of request and suggested features made but only few get a solution and notifications are not in the priority line. Even the new bitcointalk software[1] isnt done yet too in which i think most notification feature have like othee new forum software do.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=167.0


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: nakamura12 on July 16, 2022, 09:40:29 PM
If you want to receive notifications from Bitcointalk then you can use telegram to receive notifications when someone mentioned you or you tracking the thread. I am using the telegram notification bot created by TryNinja and it is very helpful, easy to use, work as it should be. Visit the thread provided hy un_rank to setup the notif bot. Good luck setting up the bot.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: uchegod-21 on July 16, 2022, 10:48:38 PM
It seems that the forum members have lived with this notification style for so long to the extent that everyone has been adapted to it. This is because no one is winning to recommend or push for a change, rather everyone is suggesting a third party bot to do the notifications.
What are the possible reasons of not having the kind of notification recommended by OP. Will it lag the software or the software will not be compatible or is theymos avoid anything that will lead to hack of the forum?

Personally, I do have much problems with the notification since I always use the last replied option and click on "new", it will take me to my own last reply and from there I trace down.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: jackg on July 16, 2022, 11:27:55 PM
it's not like that! it's just I can't explain it to you.. the purpose of the post was to creat attention to the main fact of notifications and add it officially in forum... if your bot claims and deliver as you said then i should give it a try for sure

The forum bots are the best ways to get notifications from the forum on quote replies.

The only other option is to use the timed search and search for your username (with a reasonable time limit - such as a day) and see if anyone's replied to you by quoting your message in that time. If people don't reply by quoting then there's also no way of knowing they've replied to you without checking the thread yourself (unless they mention you by name).


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: LoyceV on July 17, 2022, 05:35:06 AM
I'll wait for when it's officially added on forum.
Apart from the fact there's only one Admin doing forum upgrades, there's also a risk factor in each change. So anything that can be created by a user script, is safer for the forum. So I wouldn't hold my breath.
It may be in the new forum software, but that's been a promise from long before I joined Bitcointalk. Again: I wouldn't hold my breath :)


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: Agbe on July 17, 2022, 10:59:28 AM
I have been in Bitcointalk forum for a year and a half(+/-) now. And one thing I find very disappointing that you won't get any notifications on who replied you on your posts/replies.
Like other social media, for example, they show you the notification for who and where the reply is made.
https://i.ibb.co/5RcpjRF/image.png
As shown on the screenshot, there's an option called "Show new replies to your posts."
But this only shows the topics in which the reply was made, and not where and who made that reply.
Also, if you are having a conversation with someone like discussing something, and that's a hot topic in which people are blasting their comments. You might not find the reply and conversation you were having. It is possible, but you may have to search a lot to find that.
Also, there's an option in which you can turn on notification, but that sends all the other replies made on the topic which are not related to your conversations.
So it's good to have a separate field where we can receive those notifications, which are specified to only replies, and we can access it through that notification link.
If this already exist in forum then I would like someone to point me out please.
Also share your thought which needs improvements in forum and what should be necessary to add.
And if not, then I think it should be a really good option to have on forum.


Yes. You are right, I have been saying this since March but no avail. Instead they referred me to a bot which till date I have not gotten any notification. I wanted to create this thread since when I was a newbie but I was told that they (Legendary members) would  use me to get more merit by themselves so I was advised to leave the creation of the thread and referred to the bitcointalk bot for notifications


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 17, 2022, 11:16:33 AM
I don't trust 3rd party options. As long as it's not in the forum, I won't use it. Got hacked few days earlier. So no to 3rd party
You have a way to know who replied you on your posts/replies.
Use the search option.
Go with Forum search
Enter your username
You can specify it by specific user
Pick a rang of age for the messages/replies you want to search
Order it however you like
The search result will bring you all mentioned posts by other or even by yourself.

The forum really don't have a smart notification system like you mention someone using @username and receive an email or have a notification log to alert you. This is a software which is over 10 years old 😉


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: edgycorner on July 17, 2022, 10:15:32 PM
I don't trust 3rd party options.
Understandable.
In that case, you can use my simple bot which is built on python: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146905

The code is very easy to read(even if you don't know python). It does its intended work except for one drawback: It may repeat the notification a couple of times. This can be easily fixed if you know python.
I may update it later this week.

It requires very little resource to run(if your machine can run python and is connected to the internet then it will work). If you have any useless raspberry pi lying around, or you can run it in the background 24x7 on your android phone with termux.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: Benkbeny on July 17, 2022, 10:47:02 PM
I don't trust 3rd party options.
Understandable.
In that case, you can use my simple bot which is built on python: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146905

The code is very easy to read(even if you don't know python). It does its intended work except for one drawback: It may repeat the notification a couple of times. This can be easily fixed if you know python.
I may update it later this week.

It requires very little resource to run(if your machine can run python and is connected to the internet then it will work). If you have any useless raspberry pi lying around, or you can run it in the background 24x7 on your android phone with termux.

Can this work with Phone?


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: edgycorner on July 17, 2022, 11:09:40 PM
I don't trust 3rd party options.
Understandable.
In that case, you can use my simple bot which is built on python: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146905

The code is very easy to read(even if you don't know python). It does its intended work except for one drawback: It may repeat the notification a couple of times. This can be easily fixed if you know python.
I may update it later this week.

It requires very little resource to run(if your machine can run python and is connected to the internet then it will work). If you have any useless raspberry pi lying around, or you can run it in the background 24x7 on your android phone with termux.

Can this work with Phone?

If your phone runs on Android, then yes.

Install termux, install required python packages(as mentioned in my post), enable wake lock on termux to keep it running in background.

I will update the script later this week to make it more efficient(when I get some free time) and post a tutorial on how to run it on android 24x7.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: Doan9269 on July 28, 2022, 03:42:23 PM
I have been in Bitcointalk forum for a year and a half(+/-) now. And one thing I find very disappointing that you won't get any notifications on who replied you on your posts/replies.
Like other social media, for example, they show you the notification for who and where the reply is made.

I think the forum is better like this simply because we have a kot of new users creating account everyday and only few have the intention to stay on the forum, there's a notify me botton on every thread whereby you can get notified on mentions aside from the telegram bot notifier, and to me i will prefer the way the forum is like that, some may not want to be bugged by forum's tag and this has been made a thing of choice, if you want it then you get it, unlike other social media where you get continuous inflow of notifications and cant be stopped.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: _BlackStar on July 28, 2022, 06:10:55 PM
I mentioned it on the post already, and it's not useful for many reasons. It will spam your notification with every unrelated replies.
Although to date I haven't tried LoyceV or Tryninja notification bot, but I wouldn't say it's useless. You'll benefit from using bot notification about who quote your posts or mentioned you in theirs post, but you'll also be able to quickly find out that you've gained additional merit from other users.


it's not like that! it's just I can't explain it to you.. the purpose of the post was to creat attention to the main fact of notifications and add it officially in forum... if your bot claims and deliver as you said then i should give it a try for sure
You should be able to express your opinion freely as to whether your proposal is worth considering or not, but you don't and you're too convoluted.

Currently the forum only send you notification via email if you enable the notification feature to [notify me of replies] or notify me of new replies in a topic. Another notification you get is that when someone send pm, it all goes to your forum account email. If you expect everything to be effective, then you should be able to wait a few years from now.

There are a few forum notification that I know of:

  • Pm notification
  • Notification new reply to topic
  • Board notification
  • Notify me of replies

You can also set your own notification preferences: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3318288;sa=notification
3318288 is your profile id, For other users it must be an error: You are not permitted to modify profile settings.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: Pmalek on July 28, 2022, 06:13:19 PM
and I don't want to use other's..
I'll wait for when it's officially added on forum.
Yeah good luck with that. It should be added soon. Mandatory KYC is coming in late August and after that it's on-forum notifications. (sarcasm detected)

The reasons why you got hacked are not known to me, but it was 99% a fault of your own. You might want to consider your overall security and computer proficiency. LoyceV's bot, on the other hand, can't hack you in any way. You are not feeding it with any of your private data like passwords, not does it request any permissions, scripts, downloads, or installs of anything. LoyceV can probably see the IP addresses who connect to his server, but you can always use a VPN or TOR when you browse the forum and you will be fine. Actually, the notification bot doesn't work over TOR, does it @LoyceV?


I understand the requests (you are not the first one) for an official notifications feature, but since we luckily have alternatives for that, I don't consider it as an urgent matter and theymos obviously doesn't either. I am not even sure if it can work on this version of the forum software, which is heavily modified already.   


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: LoyceV on July 28, 2022, 07:49:51 PM
LoyceV's bot, on the other hand, can't hack you in any way. You are not feeding it with any of your private data like passwords, not does it request any permissions, scripts, downloads, or installs of anything. LoyceV can probably see the IP addresses who connect to his server, but you can always use a VPN or TOR when you browse the forum and you will be fine. Actually, the notification bot doesn't work over TOR, does it @LoyceV?
Any server can see IP-addresses of connecting users. All I can tell you is that I don't care about IP logs (other than using it to stop very aggressive scraping bots). Feel free to access my notifications (https://loyce.club/notifications/459836.html) on Tor browser (https://www.torproject.org/download/), I'm not restricting Tor and there isn't even an annoying Captcha. But just as I don't care about IPs, I also don't care if OP doesn't want to use it :) That's fine :) It would be a waste though to reject it for the wrong reasons: if you think a HTML page can hack your computer, you should probably not use the internet at all.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: Ultegra134 on July 31, 2022, 07:59:24 PM
That's something I also wanted to recommend, but never actually did. I've been quoted quite a few times, but never actually got to see it until it was too late. It'd be great if such a feature was implemented, because it's difficult to keep up with so many topics on the forum. Other users recommended 3rd party services, but I'd rather not use them.


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: examplens on August 01, 2022, 08:54:49 AM
I am very surprised at the amount of paranoia about using any "third" party service. I'm also very curious about what kind of trouble a notification bot can cause.
I remember a similar disclaimer, and there was a discussion about a website that uses google font (hosted on Google servers), also very surprising for me.

how many active, useful services are there that do not at any moment rely on any third-party service?


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: LoyceV on August 01, 2022, 09:09:34 AM
I am very surprised at the amount of paranoia about using any "third" party service. I'm also very curious about what kind of trouble a notification bot can cause.
Come on, use your imagination :D A notification bot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.0) in combination with a smart watch (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229697.0) gives me access to your arm:
I suddenly feel the urge to change the title on all posts in one of my topics to do this:
Code:
You received 1 merit from LoyceV for Looking at your hairy arm.
:D
This has to be done.
The awesomeness in the small things.
You also have to think that I glance at my wristband in mostly inappropriate situation as: business meetings, family gathering, social event. Making me giggle looking at my wristband could spark interest in what I read, hence forcing my improvisation in creative excuses!
(quote increased to depict the full story)


Title: Re: Notifications For Replies in Forum Posts!
Post by: fillippone on August 01, 2022, 10:37:12 AM

(quote increased to depict the full story)

Sadly, Loyce never thought it would be an epic enough modification so actually to do it for real.

But yes, I never had the feeling using TryNinja notification bot + a smart band could hinder my security on the forum.
But maybe I am not paranoid enough.