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Title: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: _act_ on September 14, 2022, 06:58:46 AM
BitcoinMoses (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=955818) joined this forum in 2017, he has been claiming that he is Satoshi Nakamoto recently. I am bringing this topic up to let people know who BitcoinMoses actually his. He is just another Faketoshi.

Check his latest posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410629.msg60933903#msg60933903
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413445.msg60934240#msg60934240
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413466.msg60933979#msg60933979

He has these in his signature space:
Quote
I am Satoshi Nakamoto
0563ce9997fb00e0b93d6e9972761ad8c7b36172ca85e1618daeff4813b1603e

I am thinking that is a public key because it is hexadecimal, I checked for the addresses, the addresses are:
14ceuJoU4CcBo1cM64kPnsrewntqfgYhfu
1dz5xLuKMQFYdCiZ16Pqq1GT7bc3qepnr, compressed.

I know anyone that wants to claim to be Satoshi has to sign a message with his private key, but I just want to ask if this addresses have any link with Satoshi Nakamoto?


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: NeuroticFish on September 14, 2022, 07:14:11 AM
he has been claiming that he is Satoshi Nakamoto recently. I am bringing this topic up to let people know who BitcoinMoses actually his. He is just another Faketoshi.

This is pretty much covered by his trust feedback, so I am not sure why you're making him even more "popular" by attracting attention over him again.
OK, I do understand your point, but I fear that attracting more attention over him is exactly what his game is about.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Little Mouse on September 14, 2022, 08:48:57 AM
This stupid guy first tried to establish Thomas Phellen as Satoshi Nakamoto and failed. Check reference here- https://web.archive.org/web/20171125182539/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2403320.0
He now turned himself Satoshi. Lol. After few days, who will he try to establish as Satoshi  :D
Ridiculous. I just have neg tagged him. Don’t know why people are putting neutral tag here. It’s a clear negative tag IMO.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Coyster on September 14, 2022, 09:17:17 AM
Don’t know why people are putting neutral tag here. It’s a clear negative tag IMO.
I think users are leaving neutral feedbacks because they prolly want to use the trust system in the 'correctest' way possible, which is for trade and commerce risk, @BitcoinMoses is a blatant troll, and definitely we don't want users coming here impersonating Satoshi, but since there is no way we can stop that, maybe a neutral tag to tell people more about the user and their antics is very appropriate, since neither of the feedback is related to commerce/trade.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Little Mouse on September 14, 2022, 09:21:51 AM
I think users are leaving neutral feedbacks because they prolly want to use the trust system in the 'correctest' way possible, which is for trade and commerce risk, @BitcoinMoses is a blatant troll, and definitely we don't want users coming here impersonating Satoshi,
Maybe I'm wrong but impersonating someone else is a red alert always.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: rat03gopoh on September 14, 2022, 10:28:22 AM
Instead of continuing to respond to his thoughts as if we were still paying attention and triggering a thread bump, I think the ignore button has been provided especially for dealing with this kind of user. Tagging won't really stop a mentally ill person, even reporting posts when he's still active on forums doesn't help much.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Pandu Geddon on September 14, 2022, 11:46:54 AM
Tagging won't really stop a mentally ill person, even reporting posts when he's still active on forums doesn't help much.
ignoring such users will only apply to you and others who are also ignoring them. whereas other members who may not know all about the account will continue to follow the bullshit.
the tag given will consider other members when they want to transact or just have a discussion with them.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Charles-Tim on September 14, 2022, 11:49:47 AM
Don’t know why people are putting neutral tag here. It’s a clear negative tag IMO.
I think users are leaving neutral feedbacks because they prolly want to use the trust system in the 'correctest' way possible, which is for trade and commerce risk, @BitcoinMoses is a blatant troll, and definitely we don't want users coming here impersonating Satoshi, but since there is no way we can stop that, maybe a neutral tag to tell people more about the user and their antics is very appropriate, since neither of the feedback is related to commerce/trade.
There is nothing bad to also give such user a negative trust. In my opinion, those that worth to be given negative trusts are:

  • someone that scammed you during trading
  • if an agreement went wrong and you were cheated
  • anyone that wants to scam and posting scammimg attempt contents
  • anyone that is claiming to be someone on this forum but that he is not

I will award BitcoinMoses a red trust, I will remove it once he signed a message with an address that  Satoshi used to receive the mining reward from the genesis block in the past.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Coyster on September 14, 2022, 12:40:26 PM
  • anyone that is claiming to be someone on this forum but that he is not
Well you might be correct because impersonators more often than not take up the identity of someone else for the purpose of scamming people, so yes i know impersonation is worthy of a negative feedback, what i was trying to do earlier is prolly point out why those who gave neutral feedbacks did so.
I will award BitcoinMoses a red trust, I will remove it once he signed a message with an address that  Satoshi used to receive the mining reward from the genesis block in the past.
Lol, in other words your negative feedback is going to last forever. ;D


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Igebotz on September 14, 2022, 01:25:20 PM
This stupid guy first tried to establish Thomas Phellen as Satoshi Nakamoto and failed. Check reference here- https://web.archive.org/web/20171125182539/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2403320.0
He now turned himself Satoshi. Lol. After few days, who will he try to establish as Satoshi  :D
Ridiculous. I just have neg tagged him. Don’t know why people are putting neutral tag here. It’s a clear negative tag IMO.

If you believe he deserves negative or positive feedback, that's fine; just put it and move on. You don't have to drag everyone into what you believe to be right or wrong. Since this is the internet, you should expect to see this kind of behavior, but as long as they are not endorsing a dubious project or using another person's identity to their advantage, they are just trolls. Painting such a person red would be a waste of time because it wouldn't stop him from trolling. BTW, this is the first time I've ever seen this user, maybe he's trolling on those boards on my ignore list.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: FatFork on September 14, 2022, 01:48:55 PM
BitcoinMoses (aka DigitalMonk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3497607)) is just an immature attention-seeking troll or, as someone suggested, a mentally ill person, and nothing more. I thought about giving him a negative trust because anyone who claims to be Satoshi without valid proof deserves it, but I decided that he's just not worth it and that trolls are best ignored. He is completely irrelevant, and probably much less harmful to the community than, say, a troll named Snowshow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3456891) (aka Antikvark, Antithesis or Fxsurfer).


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Lucius on September 14, 2022, 03:32:04 PM
Don’t know why people are putting neutral tag here. It’s a clear negative tag IMO.

I think neutral is more appropriate, but I leave that to each individual to decide. In addition, the member in question mainly uses the Bitcoin discussion board for his posts, and in that board trust feedbacks are not visible. This makes sense from the forum's point of view, because that system is primarily used for something other than evaluating someone's personality. Unfortunately, many (including me personally) use it inappropriately in some situations.

https://ninjastic.space/user/BitcoinMoses


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: DaveF on September 14, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
Some people just deserve a negative trust. It goes beyond trading. It comes back to the fact that they are actively hurting the community.

Scammers come and go, and we will never be able to catch and tag them all. But, they do tend to leave after the scam is done, or they have so much negative feedback and so many active flags that they can't scam easily anymore. People like this need to be called out each and every time they post until they leave. Ignore only works to a point, then you have to move to another method.

theymos / the mods don't want to be censors, and that is fine, we just have to keep up the pressure on the trolls because they won't ban them.

-Dave


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on September 14, 2022, 04:41:00 PM
If you ask me, this guy is a troll. I don't think he actually wants to get people to believe he is satoshi. I think he is looking for attention. I suggest that you not give him any attention.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 14, 2022, 06:29:11 PM
BitcoinMoses (aka DigitalMonk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3497607)) is just an immature attention-seeking troll or, as someone suggested, a mentally ill person, and nothing more.
I was about to link the connection but it seems you already mentioned it.

I am thinking that is a public key because it is hexadecimal, I checked for the addresses, the addresses are:
14ceuJoU4CcBo1cM64kPnsrewntqfgYhfu
1dz5xLuKMQFYdCiZ16Pqq1GT7bc3qepnr, compressed.

I know anyone that wants to claim to be Satoshi has to sign a message with his private key, but I just want to ask if this addresses have any link with Satoshi Nakamoto?
Isn't it funny when a random person create an address and tells he is satoshi then everyone starts looking for if he really is satoshi? There are no transaction on that address so far. Satoshi never posted such address anywhere too.

If you ask me, this guy is a troll. I don't think he actually wants to get people to believe he is satoshi. I think he is looking for attention. I suggest that you not give him any attention.
He is enjoying the attention from last few weeks.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: decodx on September 14, 2022, 06:38:43 PM
If you ask me, this guy is a troll. I don't think he actually wants to get people to believe he is satoshi. I think he is looking for attention. I suggest that you not give him any attention.
He is enjoying the attention from last few weeks.

In my opinion, responding to trolls is a waste of time and energy. Their only purpose is to get a rise out of you and make our forum a worse place to be, so don't give them the satisfaction. Instead, focus on what matters: making connections with people who will enjoy and value your contributions. If someone is trolling and doesn't get the response they want, they will often just move on to another forum or site.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 14, 2022, 07:58:50 PM
This is pretty much covered by his trust feedback, so I am not sure why you're making him even more "popular" by attracting attention over him again.
Agreed, this thread doesn't need to exist and should be locked so as to avoid attracting shitposters.  Satoshi isn't coming back as far as I can see (and just as well; bitcoin works best without its creator, unlike so many shitcoins out there), and if he did I'm pretty sure he'd resurrect his own account.

In my opinion, responding to trolls is a waste of time and energy.
It is, especially creating threads dedicated to a single one unless it's important (like with cryptohunter a few years ago).


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 16, 2022, 02:44:34 AM
It is, especially creating threads dedicated to a single one unless it's important (like with cryptohunter a few years ago).
Oh my days! Where are those guys right now?
See it's the usual thing for the trolls. They will continue trolling and once everyone will stop responding their trolling they will disappear. This BitcoinMoses/digitalmonk and his other accounts are the same.

I assume they had an account which considered as their main account. For some reasons DT tagged it and they became angry. These accounts are just the reflection of their anger and they are targeting those users who painted them red for whatever reasons.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: dataispower on September 16, 2022, 11:20:12 AM
If you ask me, this guy is a troll. I don't think he actually wants to get people to believe he is satoshi. I think he is looking for attention. I suggest that you not give him any attention.
The attention will not be given because in Bitcoin discussion board many people has come up with such idea that they are satoshi and it raise many discussion. Actually many of them maybe fake but if Satoshi should come now nobody will believe that it's the real Satoshi, because of alot of people impersonating with Satoshi. And for someone to believe Except it's the people who meant Satoshi when he is in the forum will know his writing style to be believe that it's a real Satoshi.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Lucius on September 16, 2022, 03:02:08 PM
Actually many of them maybe fake but if Satoshi should come now nobody will believe that it's the real Satoshi, because of alot of people impersonating with Satoshi. And for someone to believe Except it's the people who meant Satoshi when he is in the forum will know his writing style to be believe that it's a real Satoshi.

They are all fakes without any doubt, except for those people who believe in fairy tales and don't know that Satoshi has his own account on this forum - all he needs to do is prove that he is the real owner to the admin and he will get access to his account on this forum. The style of writing is the least relevant here, because someone a little more intelligent can very easily copy it, which does not prove that it is the same person.

I would solve it in a very simple way, anyone who appears on the forum claiming to be Satoshi would be given 24 hours to prove it or be permanently banned - such members have zero value for the forum.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: erep on September 16, 2022, 08:57:42 PM
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I would solve it in a very simple way, anyone who appears on the forum claiming to be Satoshi would be given 24 hours to prove it or be permanently banned - such members have zero value for the forum.
Anyone claiming to be satoshi then he doesn't need to publish "I am Satoshi Nakamoto" but prove he has knowledge like satoshi and can do something about satoshi addresses to prove it, maybe even more than 100 people claiming to be fake satoshi don't have anything to do with with satoshi and just bullshit claims, I support your statement above that anyone claiming to be satoshi has to prove 24 hours on this forum and if he can't prove then he has to claim himself that he's out of the trash.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: indah rezqi on September 16, 2022, 09:12:30 PM
Anyone claiming to be satoshi then he doesn't need to publish "I am Satoshi Nakamoto" but prove he has knowledge like satoshi and can do something about satoshi addresses to prove it, maybe even more than 100 people claiming to be fake satoshi don't have anything to do with with satoshi and just bullshit claims, I support your statement above that anyone claiming to be satoshi has to prove 24 hours on this forum and if he can't prove then he has to claim himself that he's out of the trash.
The real Satoshi would not claim to be a satoshi if he returned to the forum. I don't think satoshi would mess up this forum just to let the community know he is satoshi. It's easy for him to prove himself, I guess, but of course he won't waste time on anyone who doesn't believe.

I've heard the name satoshi has been banned on this forum, but I can't remember where I read it. This is one of the good stipulations to not let random users use the satoshi name when registering and make a mess.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: KingsDen on September 16, 2022, 09:18:37 PM
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I would solve it in a very simple way, anyone who appears on the forum claiming to be Satoshi would be given 24 hours to prove it or be permanently banned - such members have zero value for the forum.
Anyone claiming to be satoshi then he doesn't need to publish "I am Satoshi Nakamoto" but prove he has knowledge like satoshi and can do something about satoshi addresses to prove it, maybe even more than 100 people claiming to be fake satoshi don't have anything to do with with satoshi and just bullshit claims, I support your statement above that anyone claiming to be satoshi has to prove 24 hours on this forum and if he can't prove then he has to claim himself that he's out of the trash.

I always skip with the speed of light any post or anyone claiming to be Satoshi, especially in this forum. But I think I am really in a good mood today.

I have this to say, anyone is free to claim Satoshi in the outside world. You are fvcking free to claim Satoshi but not in this forum. This forum is the easiest place for Satoshi to prove themselves if they eventually reappear. It might take time to convince people in the circular world, but in this forum 1hr is enough for Satoshi to prove themselves.  I suppot your motion.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: Z-tight on September 16, 2022, 09:23:45 PM
I've heard the name satoshi has been banned on this forum, but I can't remember where I read it. This is one of the good stipulations to not let random users use the satoshi name when registering and make a mess.
You cannot register with an existing member's identical name, but you can add other characters to "satoshi" and create an account with it, but you will most likely be tagged as an impersonator. Satoshi's official account on this forum is locked for security reasons, so even if Satoshi ever returns and wants to prove their true identity on the forum, they aren't going to immediately do so by posting from their official account on the forum, they will first of all have to prove themselves to Theymos, in order for him to unlock the account, and there's only one way they are going to do that:
His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: The Cryptovator on September 17, 2022, 05:31:45 PM
He is a professional troller. I noticed from [urlhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391809.msg59673055#msg59673055]this thread [/url]. Also recently saw trolling with Faketoshi. Just leave him and enjoy. Satoshi won't post on the forum he needs to sell 50 Bitcoin lol. See his first topic where he wants to sell 50 Bitcoin here. This is another troll. Do you think don't know how to sell Bitcoin who is the creator? I enjoyed his post lol.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: indah rezqi on September 17, 2022, 09:33:15 PM
He is a professional troller. I noticed from this thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391809.msg59673055#msg59673055).
Your url is incomplete, I fixed it, but you have to see it to edit your post.

Also recently saw trolling with Faketoshi. Just leave him and enjoy.
Somehow I agree that trolling should be abandoned without feeding them much. They don't have to get much attention other than their posts having to be reported and their profiles having to be reviewed by a moderator. If his account deserves to be banned, then I guess that's a good ending for him.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: 348Judah on October 05, 2022, 08:49:04 PM
I just don't know what the stand to gain from claiming to be Satoshi, they are rather displaying to us their low sense of quality by doing so, even if Satoshi himself got his account to be active back today, does that makes any difference on the forum members, we all know how to adentify the rral Satoshi and those claiming to be him are just bunch of trolls seeking attention, the nexttime i come across such will make me use my ignore function on such user.


Title: Re: See this irrelevant Faketoshi
Post by: BitcoinMoses on October 25, 2022, 01:57:35 PM
Listen carefully !

I am not a stupid troll, but I am, who I say I am. When some one read my writing, the ordinary forum members won't understand it. When I post actually I send some hidden message to few particular individuals.

If are looking for Satoshi Nakamoto ? This is one thing. If you are looking for Satoshi to come back and use forum I'd 3 to prove he has back is another thing.

What ever I post in the forum if you read and understand and believe what I say mean, you have convinced regar Bitcoin invention. If do not believe it then still it does not affect me in any safe or form because as long as you are still in my forum and contributing, whether poif ssitively or negatively it benefit the forum and I achieve my goals.

If you want me to sign a message to prove my identity to forum members how does it help me ?  When the perfect time will come the world will know how I invented Bitcoin and blockchain and created the cryptocurrency industry. It has fascinating story. Even though some Bitcoin community leaders do not want me to be publicly known and suppressing me with horrendous oppression, I am just suffering.

Who care , I really do not care to prove my identity. When some one do not believe me when write some thing interesting, then I feel good, thinking no body has noticed me.

You have created this particular thread to make announcement that I am another Faketoshi like Craig Wright and James Belaal Caan or Dorian Nakamoto.

Dorian is humble man. I respect his honesty. Craig Wright is fraudster but I appreciate his acting skills. James B. Caan he is just Sock Puuppet. But I no comment on him.

As Jesus told to Thomas, " you have seen me so you believevin me but blessed are those who have not seen me but believe in me " so is the case of Bitcoin invention. Those believe me without me signing any message cryptographically will be given and opportunity to join the Bitcoin inner circle. But those who will oppose me it will reveal their identity who they are ? And those are looking for signed message to verify that is good. I appreciate it.

Don't trust but verify. Then you will definitely know who is right and who is wrong ?