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Title: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: naira on October 02, 2022, 06:55:09 AM

A dark tragedy in the history of Indonesian football, caused fear and became the world's attention. This chronology happened last night during the Arema FC vs. Persibaya match (Kanjuruhan Stadium, Malang). The death toll reached more than 130 people, not including serious injuries and minor injuries who are still being treated in hospital. A little review of the history of the two clubs where Arema FC has not lost for more than 30 years and today they lost so that the supporters did not accept the result. Supporters took to the field, causing unrest to get out of hand, police officers were forced to fire tear gas. In fact, according to FIFA rules, tear gas is prohibited. The impact of this incident will be very fatal, including FIFA sanctions. In addition, there will be other sanctions that punish Indonesian football to an unfathomable abyss.

Cases of victims who fall continue to grow, hopefully this will be a slap so that football does not become a place of loss of life. Football is an arena of entertainment, you can be a supporter but don't let your life be at stake. Several factors died from the impact of tear gas, crammed into the hallway of the gate leading to the stadium exit (victims included the elderly, adults and even children).

The President of the Republic of Indonesia finally issued an official statement to temporarily suspend the Indonesian League and confirmed the sanctions that Indonesia received, including hosting the U-20 World Cup and Indonesia being expelled from the 2023 Asian Cup as well as several other sanctions that overshadowed Indonesia.

Under FIFA Rules the use of tear gas is prohibited in Chapter III on Stewards, article 19 on Stewards on the sidelines.
https://i.ibb.co/5RwVBJW/IMG-20221002-WA0008.jpg

With the current case, I feel sorry for the tragedy that befell the world of Indonesian football. May the victim find a place by his side and the bereaved family be given strength. I hope that in the future something like this will not happen again in any football world, both locally and internationally. Football is a world of entertainment that we should enjoy. Remember life is too precious to be sacrificed for anything.

News source:
  • https://www.fifa.com/
  • https://twitter.com/jokowi/status/1576431163249262592?t=L8B6E3IWS1XfuDFxTzitFQ&s=08
  • https://bandungbarat.suara.com/amp/read/2022/10/02/102009/indonesia-terancam-sanksi-berat-fifa-imbas-tragedi-stadion-kanjuruhan
  • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bola.com/amp/5085650/tragedi-kanjuruhan-ada-di-regulasi-fifa-larang-penggunaan-gas-air-mata-untuk-membubarkan-massa
  • https://twitter.com/marca/status/1576357001289793536?t=SAbPQ_Zh7omhWOgCVUtFww&s=19


Video footage of seconds of chaos https://youtu.be/7QEjSKHefK8
Please note that this video contains elements of violence


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: KennyR on October 02, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
This shouldn't have happened. Really sad of the incident, and a black day in the football history. The fans should know their limits, supporting their respective teams is good. More leagues are happening around, and now only football popularity around Asian countries growing good. Once again this incident will affect the football history in Asian Countries.



Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: zaki12 on October 02, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
Yes, that's right. Regarding tear gas (in this case it is written "crowd control gas"), FIFA clearly prohibits its use in stadiums.
FIFA has also written rules / appeals related to how to anticipate the invasion of fans into the field area. I think a lot of the casualties in the tragedy were because the security forces fired tear gas.
indeed In a derby match, the potential for friction is bound to happen.
Riots and fans entering the field are definitely a possibility
But not by means of tear gas.
Firing tear gas, will make fans jostling for the exit, and eventually become hypoxic.
whatever it is I extend my deepest condolences to the families and friends of the victims who lost their lives following this tragic incident.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Wexnident on October 02, 2022, 10:35:44 AM
My deepest Condolences to those who were lost. I tried looking up more info from this after reading this post, it seems like the majority of the victims were due to the unrest that the release of tear gas did, leading to a stampede happening, as well as a lot of people getting deprived of oxygen, getting trampled later on. The death toll count has also gone past 160 people from what I gathered, and it seems like it still might increase. 

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I wouldn't really consider it to be Indonesian violence though afaik they're well known to be rather violent when it comes to football. To what I know it looked more like fans were questioning the team as to why they lost, but since a LOT of people went out to the field I guess it looked like something "was" about to happen. And even if it was imo the police should have first prioritized the safety of the team instead of going, well, what they did.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: YinShuiSiYuan on October 02, 2022, 10:36:35 AM
Yes I have read about this sad and tragic incident that happened in Indonesia. i don't really follow football but sport of any kind should be played and watched with a good sportsman spirit because nothing is important  than anyone's life. similar incident happened in Pakistan and Afghanistan cricket match in Dubai but things got under control by the authorities.  


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Lordhermes on October 02, 2022, 11:20:06 AM
What an awful incident occurred in Indonesia.

In Indonesia, a league game between Arema and Persebaya Surabaya supporters resulted in hundreds of deaths; football is supposed to be a game that brings people together and promotes fun. What a depressing day for this admirable game of football.
I send my sincere sympathies to the relatives of the victims as well as the Indonesian people.
This is outrageous; if the fans can't even enjoy a football game, they should be temporarily suspended.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: jakelyson on October 02, 2022, 11:51:18 AM
My prayers go to the victims of this sad incident.

I am not really a fan of football, but I understand fans when they get frustrated and rowdy when their teams lose. I think it happens in every sport. It is just that this was handled poorly by the officers.

Hopefully, this will be a lesson for the officers, and they must train how to handle this kind of event. Handling crowds can be a big task especially if it escalates to riots or the like but with proper training and incidents like this can be avoided.





Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: pakhitheboss on October 02, 2022, 12:32:18 PM
One of the saddest news that I have heard about football. My condolences to those who have lost! Rest in peace for those who are no longer alive.

I am dismayed to learn that the number of people who have lost their live is 170+ and can go higher. I learnt that the deaths were due to stampede and this is one of the worst football stadium tragedy. The Government of Indonesia should punish those responsible of controlling and taking decisions to control the crowd. There should be a proper enquiry be placed and steps should be taken to avoid such incidents in the future.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Doell on October 02, 2022, 12:37:07 PM
Fans who are too excessive will make the situation unfavorable, insulting and destruction of facilities, there is always a certain person who triggers it in Indonesia. Officers in the field should also not pressure the public with combat equipment because not all viewer are the same age, even many are women. I am deeply concerned about this incident and pray for the victims to rest in peace.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Oneandpure on October 02, 2022, 12:39:51 PM
The rivalry between these two teams Arema Malang and Persebaya Surabaya can no longer be doubted, even for several years later, fans from both team between Aremania for Arema Malang fans and Bonek named for Persebaya Surabaya fans claimed they can get loss from other team but not from rival. I think this main problem why above 150 Arema Malang fans was pass away based on last few hours ago updated.

Last night I watch this derby match and both player respect each other and seems not really derby match like usually, but few minutes games have ended and Arema Malang player try apologize, some fans down to the field and make police man have make some thing not allowed by FIFA rule used tear gas to disperse the crowd, now Indonesia League suspend awhile until one weeks later until all problem clearly what happen and exactly have conclusion about responsibility from each people.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: swogerino on October 02, 2022, 12:44:43 PM
Fans who are too excessive will make the situation unfavorable, insulting and destruction of facilities, there is always a certain person who triggers it in Indonesia. Officers in the field should also not pressure the public with combat equipment because not all viewer are the same age, even many are women. I am deeply concerned about this incident and pray for the victims to rest in peace.

Well I have been in the stadium in really fought derby games where the fans have made all sort of not common things like bringing a coffin to the stadium to show the other team is the end but I have never seen fans causing such turmoil,such grief to the families of the victims and for what,just a football game in Indonesia where football is not that well developed.My brain fails to understand this happening in an event which is supposed to bring joy to the fans and not causing a lot of deaths,my prayers are with the families who lost dear ones in this meaningless event.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Davidvictorson on October 02, 2022, 01:10:47 PM
I read the news with pain in my heart. Can only imagine the pains those families who may have lost someone is passing through. I still can't believe that over 120 people died not in a war field but in a football were fans to cheer on their favorite teams and be happy. How could a sport that unites followers and provides them delight suddenly become sour? I ask God to give the nation and the families the strength to endure the loss.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Jody.Drummer on October 02, 2022, 01:21:11 PM
This is a dark event that should be a lesson for everyone because it is clear that in this case everyone is harmed and indeed there is no type of sport that costs lives so this is very unfortunate.
I am speechless seeing something like this because it is clearly the second tragedy after the tragedy of Argentina a few decades ago.
I don't want to defend anyone but what the Supporters did was a mistake to enter the pitch after the final whistle but tear gas in a clear shot was a huge violation especially in a full stadium.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: coin-investor on October 02, 2022, 01:28:19 PM
This is the worst sports disaster I've read, this should not happen but there are so many fans that are fanatics and the authorities' use of tear gas caused the disaster
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World soccer's governing body FIFA specifies in its safety regulations that no firearms or "crowd control gas" should be carried or used by stewards or police.
if they did not use excessive force in controlling the crowd the death toll could have not reached that high, there is an ongoing investigation right now and there should be heads that will roll because of this, and if possible they should be charged, the police are no thinking the stadium is jam-packed and if there is a stampede injury and death will occur and that's exactly what happened.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: rahmad2nd on October 02, 2022, 01:30:41 PM

With the current case, I feel sorry for the tragedy that befell the world of Indonesian football. May the victim find a place by his side and the bereaved family be given strength. I hope that in the future something like this will not happen again in any football world, both locally and internationally. Football is a world of entertainment that we should enjoy. Remember life is too precious to be sacrificed for anything.


A very sad tragedy and our image as a civilized nation could change because of this tragedy.
imagine, there are many victims and those who died were actually innocent bystanders. the incident that night was really embarrassing because the face of Indonesian football would get a negative image in the eyes of the world community.

several international media such as Reuters, BBC, CNBC and even Al-Jazeera also took part in highlighting the deadly incident at the Kanjuruhan stadium when the match between Arema FC and Persebaya ended in chaos.
even the international media seem to give the impression that football in Indonesia is full of violence and unfriendliness.
but what can we do, this tragedy has reached all corners of the world and has shamed our image as a civilized nation. some news reports that FIFA will freeze all Indonesian league matches for the next 8 years, this is a bad consequence that we must accept if FIFA decides to freeze sanctions.

I hope it will not have an impact on our national team which will compete in the 2023 Asian Cup.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: kamvreto on October 02, 2022, 01:53:44 PM
This is a dark tragedy in the history of Indonesian football. This riot caused many deaths, with a total of 127 people dead and 180 still being treated. I did not even think that the death toll reached 127 people and even this became a very dark incident. The more violent supporters and the overcrowded stadium capacity made the commotion even more heated. even the security guard by the police could not handle it, even police officers also became victims of this riot of supporters. I can only say, that this was a terrible incident. Indonesia must improve itself, must regulate football matches properly so that football matches remain a sport and entertainment event, not become hell and cause many casualties.

https://news.detik.com/berita/d-6323804/127-orang-tewas-dalam-kerusuhan-di-stadion-kanjuruhan-malang


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Findingnemo on October 02, 2022, 02:24:08 PM
This shouldn't have happened. Really sad of the incident, and a black day in the football history. The fans should know their limits, supporting their respective teams is good. More leagues are happening around, and now only football popularity around Asian countries growing good. Once again this incident will affect the football history in Asian Countries.


When people think sports is more than their lives then this kind of unrest situation happens, no one is really a sports lover if they only love the team or player when they are on their winning side, a real supporter will back them no matter what is the situation.

But FIFA is sanctioning the board? Atleast they tried something so we can hope the severity reduced by some rate. ???


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: the rise on October 02, 2022, 02:28:31 PM
it's very sad that many fans died due to riots, I don't know what caused the riots, logically thinking it would be better even though we are fans of a certain club as well as enjoying it without having to do excessive actions


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: robelneo on October 02, 2022, 02:29:18 PM
The death could have been higher, thank God that it did not happen because the stadium was filled beyond its capacity, there are 42,000 people in that stadium when its full capacity is only 38,000, and if you use tear gas to try to control the crowd that's chaos, it's clear here that the police do not have training in crowd control and are not brief on this situation where the World Football organizer is not allowing the use of tear gas, the government should fire and charge whoever ordered the use of teargas create a commission so this will not happen this kind of disaster anymore.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: bitcampaign on October 02, 2022, 02:59:35 PM
that's why football in Indonesia never progresses if the fans never maintain an attitude as a good supporter accept any defeat because it's just a match, I don't blame anyone, everyone needs to do self-introspection, tear gas is also prohibited and even then it's impossible Tear gas is fired if there is no chaos starting from the supporters, so there is no need to blame each other for this chaos because everyone should start introspecting themselves to be better in the future, condolences to all victims


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: virasisog on October 02, 2022, 03:50:43 PM
My deepest condolences and sympathy to the victims of this tragic incident. My heart is really saddened knowing that a night supposedly for pure entertainment has ended up killing the lives of lots of Indonesian audiences. Supporters weren't able to control their emotions which I think is one of the major root causes of this tragedy. I hope that the authorities have been mindful before throwing up tear gas because there are also innocent people including children who are in the said arena. It caused panic and chaos that resulted in a stampede. Supporters shouldn't risk their lives just to support their favorite team. It's a lesson learned after all but it's a sad thing that lots of people are now mourning and grieving.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: inanilujimi on October 02, 2022, 04:24:48 PM
Dark history happened in Indonesian football, deepest condolences to the victims who died in this incident. It is very unfortunate that there was tear gas which made the fans panic to save themselves, which at that time had already exceeded the capacity of the audience.
how is it possible that the stadium's capacity is only 38 thousand people but tickets sold for around 40 thousand.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: rhomelmabini on October 02, 2022, 06:42:08 PM
These people are just too emotional over a loss, they should have moved on and police should have handled it carefully and now this happened. Sending prayers to those who loss their loved ones over this tragedy, it's just saddening to know it's just over a football match and worst it doesn't even come from the players themselves who played the game but it was from the fans and the security forces.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: bitbollo on October 02, 2022, 06:49:57 PM
sport should be simple fun, a time to be distracted, the very opposite of violence... or tragedy like that heartbreacking.

Today, even if I am living far away from such country, I read the news in an Italian newspaper and was shocked by the number of people involved in this tragedy. This remind to me the same tragedy that happens many years ago in Belgium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster were 39 people dies :(


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: mm2543363580 on October 02, 2022, 07:49:40 PM
sport should be simple fun, a time to be distracted, the very opposite of violence... or tragedy like that heartbreacking.

Today, even if I am living far away from such country, I read the news in an Italian newspaper and was shocked by the number of people involved in this tragedy. This remind to me the same tragedy that happens many years ago in Belgium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster were 39 people dies :(
Oh God what a terrible news it is.
I have google and watched what has happened. i feel sorry for what has happened - it is true that sports should be fun and not violence but sometime fan loose control - it happened too in asia cup match between Pak vs Afghanistan - after Afghan lost the match there was so much violence in the stadium but Dubai police controlled them


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: dothebeats on October 02, 2022, 08:03:48 PM
I don't quite understand why fans need to be violent when it comes to supporting their teams. For sure the teams that played on this match is disappointed that this has to happen in the first place. Many lives were lost just because fans cannot contain their disappointment and disbelief to the result of the match. Uncontrolled emotions almost always lead to a lot of negative events. For die-hard sports fans out there, keep in mind that a loss is not the end for your team. If you really support your team that much, just hope for them to get back on their feet and come back stronger to their next events.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: eaLiTy on October 02, 2022, 08:34:47 PM
It was a really unfortunate situation and one of the worst riot incidents in Football history and around 180 people loosing their life is a tragedy that i have not heard as long as i was following the sport for more than 37 years. Out of curiosity made a google search and found there were similar incident in 1964 during Argentina and Peru match and the death toll was double this and the sole reason to avoid gas cannisters by FIFA was solely because of this incident, but to have a disaster of this magnitude in this era falls under the administration as they did not follow the safety protocols.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: lionheart78 on October 02, 2022, 09:34:42 PM
I don't quite understand why fans need to be violent when it comes to supporting their teams. For sure the teams that played on this match is disappointed that this has to happen in the first place. Many lives were lost just because fans cannot contain their disappointment and disbelief to the result of the match. Uncontrolled emotions almost always lead to a lot of negative events. For die-hard sports fans out there, keep in mind that a loss is not the end for your team. If you really support your team that much, just hope for them to get back on their feet and come back stronger to their next events.

I believe someone instigated the fans into running to the field that triggers the police to use illegal means. It is easier to manipulate fans when they are high of emotion and disappointment.

I feel sorry to these innocent victim but is angered by the thought that someone had sparked that commotion.  I hope those policemen who used illegal means get punished and the people who instigated the fans be caught.  I hate it when someone plays with the emotions of fans that often times resulted into mass confusion, stampede and death. 


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: redhack on October 02, 2022, 09:34:56 PM
That was very sad news. Too many people died for basically nothing. Such a tragedy...

Rest in peace to all people who lost their lives. I hope we won't see such incident again. My heart is with you Indonesian people. <3


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: AmoreJaz on October 02, 2022, 09:50:29 PM
I don't quite understand why fans need to be violent when it comes to supporting their teams. For sure the teams that played on this match is disappointed that this has to happen in the first place. Many lives were lost just because fans cannot contain their disappointment and disbelief to the result of the match. Uncontrolled emotions almost always lead to a lot of negative events. For die-hard sports fans out there, keep in mind that a loss is not the end for your team. If you really support your team that much, just hope for them to get back on their feet and come back stronger to their next events.

I believe someone instigated the fans into running to the field that triggers the police to use illegal means. It is easier to manipulate fans when they are high of emotion and disappointment.

I feel sorry to these innocent victim but is angered by the thought that someone had sparked that commotion.  I hope those policemen who used illegal means get punished and the people who instigated the fans be caught.  I hate it when someone plays with the emotions of fans that often times resulted into mass confusion, stampede and death.  

this is a very unfortunate event in the sports history of their country. the police force should have been more logical with their method, but it was already too late before they figured out that such method only caused so much chaos in the field. instead of enjoying the game, this will be a traumatic experience to most. it will be a learning experience for their authorities, how to handle delicate situations like this in the name of sports, particularly if the two teams are long-time rivals.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: STT on October 02, 2022, 09:51:27 PM
This kind of disaster can happen in any country at all, something has to be learnt from their deaths so its not just a waste of human life.   I had no idea FIFA was certain in its rules of a match, precisely to avoid this occurrence but it has been ignored again.
   Some teams have fans so troublesome they are banned from attending matches due to repeated damage and harm, it seems any threat of problems like this has to be avoided with greater caution and reduced numbers.  Theres a temptation to sell as many tickets are possible when the opposite needs to happen with known trouble spots.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: aioc on October 02, 2022, 10:29:24 PM
Condolences to the families, Football is very popular in Indonesia the stadium is filled beyond capacity and if there's something like this could happen if there are provocations, the police do not have effective crowd control and instead prefer to use tear gas that results in stampede and because of this stampede resulted to the death of at least 130 people and hundreds of injured people, they should have not used it at all with a crowd as huge as this it's totally chaos as fans will head to the exit gate to avoid the tear gas, the sporting world should learn from this tragic.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: n0ne on October 02, 2022, 10:35:24 PM
Atleast after this incident fans should understand football is a sports and we need to give the support to the player and have the mind to accept loss and winning. Whether the team win/fail the supporters should back the team. This will keep the team boosted and make them do better for their fans.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: dothebeats on October 02, 2022, 10:41:02 PM
I don't quite understand why fans need to be violent when it comes to supporting their teams. For sure the teams that played on this match is disappointed that this has to happen in the first place. Many lives were lost just because fans cannot contain their disappointment and disbelief to the result of the match. Uncontrolled emotions almost always lead to a lot of negative events. For die-hard sports fans out there, keep in mind that a loss is not the end for your team. If you really support your team that much, just hope for them to get back on their feet and come back stronger to their next events.

I believe someone instigated the fans into running to the field that triggers the police to use illegal means. It is easier to manipulate fans when they are high of emotion and disappointment.

I feel sorry to these innocent victim but is angered by the thought that someone had sparked that commotion.  I hope those policemen who used illegal means get punished and the people who instigated the fans be caught.  I hate it when someone plays with the emotions of fans that often times resulted into mass confusion, stampede and death. 

Does it come from the losing team or is it just one of those stupid urges from the same fans to charge at the other? That's really unfortunate and the one who instigated this violent clash should be put behind bars. Imagine almost 200 people died because of this violent clash and fans are played with their emotions to hurt other people. Even those who are meant to stop the fights are badly hurt and some are critically injured. It's a sad day for sports and mostly for the families of those whose lives perished in this very unfortunate event.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: serjent05 on October 02, 2022, 10:49:14 PM
This is heartbreaking news.  My condolences to the victim's family.  This situation can be handled better if the policemen in charge of security had been trained regularly.  They could have anticipated that there is a chance for fans to get wild since there are already events like this in the history of Indonesian football.

There is no point in blaming now since I think the people responsible for this commotion are being held now. Prayers for the souls of the departed.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Yogee on October 02, 2022, 10:54:25 PM
I wonder which policy will prevail regarding the use of tear gas or what FIFA refers to as "crowd control gas"? This isn't the first time Indonesian police used such method to disperse large and violent crowds. I'd assume they are legally allowed to do so if the situation escalated to a riot.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: romero121 on October 02, 2022, 11:39:17 PM
I wonder which policy will prevail regarding the use of tear gas or what FIFA refers to as "crowd control gas"? This isn't the first time Indonesian police used such method to disperse a large and violent crowds. I'd assume they are legally allowed to do so if the situation escalated to a riot.
This have turned to be a riot, but police could've controlled it in a better way. Also there is a need of change in the stadium architecture, because in most of the ground the pathways were very narrow and something unexpected leads into massive disaster. It is big mistake that the police fired tear gas and the death is out of the stampede.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Sirait on October 02, 2022, 11:43:16 PM
Dark history happened in Indonesian football, deepest condolences to the victims who died in this incident. It is very unfortunate that there was tear gas which made the fans panic to save themselves, which at that time had already exceeded the capacity of the audience.
how is it possible that the stadium's capacity is only 38 thousand people but tickets sold for around 40 thousand.

this is where the committee's stupidity lies, what they hope is that the tickets are sold out and the crowd fills the stadium. Honestly, I support FIFA and PSSI to disband AREMA FC forever because this is not a clash between fans, this is purely a human tragedy, AREMA has stupid fans who can't accept defeat, fans and also the police there are mass murderers.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: chaser15 on October 02, 2022, 11:59:28 PM
Condolence to the families that lost their loved ones in this tragedy.

It's really a sad day for Indonesia and the whole world as well. We don't like seeing things like that happening in a sports event where lots of fans are there to simply support the players there and have some entertainment as well.

I hope videos will not surface anymore and spread out on various sites or social media platforms.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: alegotardo on October 03, 2022, 12:32:29 AM
I would say it was an absolutely tragic event, but in fact that word would still be too little to describe the death of almost 2 hundred people who left their home for a moment of distraction and now they will never return to it.
It is also unfortunate for those who will have lifelong after-effects from this tragic event.
I sincerely hope that as many guilty people are identified and that they receive the maximum penalty for the act of massacre they caused... and everything indicates that this should happen for those responsible who fired the tear gas... something that should only be used in an open environment to dispense with the crowds.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Chikito on October 03, 2022, 02:31:43 AM
The supporter coming to the field is not only the first time happens, but this also often happens in another match in Indonesia League. but, the Kajuruhun is a very bloody tragedy in the organization. right now, we can't blame anyone who has the responsibility before the investigation. Many factors happen during the tragedy like the Police, Fans of each club (Arema and Persebaya), the referee, the official, and the organizer PT.LBI. 

We must know, Indonesia has more football fans than Badminton and even less of achievements, the government also didn't focus on football which has the most State Budget than Badminton or another sport.

https://bacajogja.id/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Pray-for-kanjuruhan.jpg


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: LogitechMouse on October 03, 2022, 03:00:46 AM
I'm not a fan of Football TBH and know a little bit about how it's played, but the number of lives lost in this one is many. 180 as of the moment and there are ones who might die in the hospital for some reasons as well.

TBH, I don't know why in the hell these fans are coming to a point that when their favorite team lost in a game, they will make violence. Will that violence make them happy? Will that violence make them comfortable? Will that violence make their lives even better? I mean I just don't know why it comes to a point like this. Because fans can't accept their favorite team's defeat? I watched Basketball, MMA and Boxing and some online game tournaments as well and I always have a favorite team in each one, but when they lost, I just simply move on and wait for another tournament or season to happen. Thinking about it longer will result to unnecessary decisions for me. I saw a post regarding this one in Facebook but I immediately ignored because I'm not a football fan, but I see more and more posts like this that's why I did a quick research and saw this.

Sports must be a place where people are getting entertained and not where people will make violence. Sports is a place where people will enjoy what they are watching and not a place where they will fight other people when their favorite team lost. Condolence to those who lost their lives because of their decisions.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: naira on October 03, 2022, 04:03:48 AM
I believe someone instigated the fans into running to the field that triggers the police to use illegal means. It is easier to manipulate fans when they are high of emotion and disappointment.

I feel sorry to these innocent victim but is angered by the thought that someone had sparked that commotion.  I hope those policemen who used illegal means get punished and the people who instigated the fans be caught.  I hate it when someone plays with the emotions of fans that often times resulted into mass confusion, stampede and death. 
Investigations are still ongoing and it will take a long time to find out who is behind all of this. In addition to taking a long time in the investigation process by the authorities, the difficulties where the number of spectators exceeds the capacity has burdened the stadium management, including ticket sales, which are sold out but illegal spectators arrive.

Can't blame what's right and what's wrong. However after this incident, the impact will definitely be bad on the world of Indonesian sports in the next few years.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: bitzizzix on October 03, 2022, 04:14:29 AM
I believe someone instigated the fans into running to the field that triggers the police to use illegal means. It is easier to manipulate fans when they are high of emotion and disappointment.

I feel sorry to these innocent victim but is angered by the thought that someone had sparked that commotion.  I hope those policemen who used illegal means get punished and the people who instigated the fans be caught.  I hate it when someone plays with the emotions of fans that often times resulted into mass confusion, stampede and death. 
Investigations are still ongoing and it will take a long time to find out who is behind all of this. In addition to taking a long time in the investigation process by the authorities, the difficulties where the number of spectators exceeds the capacity has burdened the stadium management, including ticket sales, which are sold out but illegal spectators arrive.

Can't blame what's right and what's wrong. However after this incident, the impact will definitely be bad on the world of Indonesian sports in the next few years.
The use of tear gas and crowd control that was not in accordance with the procedure caused many casualties, and the use of tear gas that was not in accordance with the crowd control procedure resulted in fans in the stands jostling to get out. choking, shortness of breath, fainting and colliding which resulted in many fatalities.
and also exacerbated by the excess capacity of the stadium, Indonesia always violates the rules in any case and this incident must be dealt with firmly so that it does not happen again, it seems that this tragedy involves many parties who are currently still under investigation.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: hyudien on October 03, 2022, 04:26:40 AM
This kind of disaster can happen in any country at all, something has to be learnt from their deaths so its not just a waste of human life.   I had no idea FIFA was certain in its rules of a match, precisely to avoid this occurrence but it has been ignored again.
   Some teams have fans so troublesome they are banned from attending matches due to repeated damage and harm, it seems any threat of problems like this has to be avoided with greater caution and reduced numbers.  Theres a temptation to sell as many tickets are possible when the opposite needs to happen with known trouble spots.

I saw some video footage from fans uploaded on social media showing that when there was a riot where the police fired tear gas, it turned out that the exit gate was closed so there was an uncontrolled crowd buildup but tear gas was fired into the closed door area. The police here clearly violate the FIFA code of ethics and sanctions should also be given to the police. They took excessive precautions, so the audience who were panicked and angry due to the actions of the police resisted and ended up clashing between audience and the police. Until now the news is still in the world's spotlight about the future of Indonesian football which will certainly be bad.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: bocyaj on October 03, 2022, 06:04:18 AM
It was unacceptable one of tickets and stadium capacity.Nearly 2k variations is very high from the football team.It’s was unexpected one happened in the football world.Like this happened in the Pakistan and Afghanistan game.It was controlled by the policemen.So many bad things was happening in this game now.When you made a good way of gaming,it will be followed by the future generation.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Tumanggor on October 03, 2022, 06:07:44 AM
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I saw some video footage from fans uploaded on social media showing that when there was a riot where the police fired tear gas, it turned out that the exit gate was closed so there was an uncontrolled crowd buildup but tear gas was fired into the closed door area. The police here clearly violate the FIFA code of ethics and sanctions should also be given to the police. They took excessive precautions, so the audience who were panicked and angry due to the actions of the police resisted and ended up clashing between audience and the police. Until now the news is still in the world's spotlight about the future of Indonesian football which will certainly be bad.
this is what we are fighting for. the police continued to say that they had carried out according to the protocol but in fact, the tear gas was released into the stands, not in the lower stands which were in chaos

In sporting events in Indonesia, the role of the police and army has gone too far, they are really rude when carrying out their duties. it's time to change and not involve the police or the army in the most important sporting event of football


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: yazher on October 03, 2022, 07:16:42 AM
It's really sad because it took more than a hundred innocent life to be sacrificed in order for them to realize they really need to take this one seriously when the fans are out of control. This is not the first time this nonsense happened to them because I watch some documentaries about the unusual behaviors of the die-hard fans when they see rival fans. They are hostile and wanted to destroy them on the spot. This should not happen because they are countrymen and they should just enjoy the game rather than making it a reason to kill each other.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: rahmad2nd on October 03, 2022, 07:54:25 AM
The supporter coming to the field is not only the first time happens, but this also often happens in another match in Indonesia League. but, the Kajuruhun is a very bloody tragedy in the organization. right now, we can't blame anyone who has the responsibility before the investigation. Many factors happen during the tragedy like the Police, Fans of each club (Arema and Persebaya), the referee, the official, and the organizer PT.LBI.

In fact we already know what happened that resulted in the tragedy of the riots. this is not the first time, but this tragedy will be a dark history of the tragedy of football in our country. there is a lot to correct, our system is not better than other neighboring countries.
If only Arema fans had not stepped out of the field and climbed the guardrail, the tragedy would not have happened, if only the police had had the knowledge of how to deal with fan riots according to FIFA standards, surely there would not be many casualties, if only PSSI had  With a better system of rules and regulations, these kinds of incidents can certainly be avoided.

So who should be responsible for this tragedy?
From my point of view, all those involved must be sanctioned, both supporters, security forces, clubs, and also PSSI as the highest federation that oversees football in our country. this is a common problem, and the country, FIFA must participate to make our football better in the future.
the only way that is most efficient at the moment is the suspension of the league freeze.
In this way, the club, the supporters, PSSI, will reflect on the bad consequences of this tragedy.
I am deeply saddened by the KANJURUHAN incident.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: gabbie2010 on October 03, 2022, 07:54:48 AM
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I saw some video footage from fans uploaded on social media showing that when there was a riot where the police fired tear gas, it turned out that the exit gate was closed so there was an uncontrolled crowd buildup but tear gas was fired into the closed door area. The police here clearly violate the FIFA code of ethics and sanctions should also be given to the police. They took excessive precautions, so the audience who were panicked and angry due to the actions of the police resisted and ended up clashing between audience and the police. Until now the news is still in the world's spotlight about the future of Indonesian football which will certainly be bad.
this is what we are fighting for. the police continued to say that they had carried out according to the protocol but in fact, the tear gas was released into the stands, not in the lower stands which were in chaos

In sporting events in Indonesia, the role of the police and army has gone too far, they are really rude when carrying out their duties. it's time to change and not involve the police or the army in the most important sporting event of football
Policemen in the stadium acted unprofessionally to control the spectators who invaded the pitch, firing tear gas canisters in an overcrowded stadium isn't the best crowd control, this isn't the first case of pitch invasion in football matches in other countries there are ways of controlling such an unmannered behavior of the fans and spectators without causing any casualties, the Indonesian government should prosecute the culprits behind the incident after a thorough investigation of the incident, my condolences to people who lost their love ones and wishing the injured quick recovery.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: D-law on October 03, 2022, 07:58:57 AM
Football that's supposed to promote peace is bringing wars and blood shed
My prayers are with the families of the dead, injured and heart broken
This is not a good news for the start of a new month, they will face big FIFA sanctions


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on October 03, 2022, 08:16:35 AM
This is indeed one sad news that can never be forgotten in the history of football, and I sincerely sympathize with those who may have lost the life of a family member, friend, or colleague as a result of the outbreak of this chaos that lead to the death of over 170 fans. This is a big blow to the Indonesian government and its security agencies for failing to be professional while dealing with such a crowd, and I'm sure truly they deserve an indefinite suspension from football activities, because if prompt action is not taken now, so will the death records keep increasing every weekend.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Oasisman on October 03, 2022, 08:26:38 AM
Saw the news regarding the tragedy.  It says there that the game was oversold. That means the stadium accommodates a number of fans beyond it's capacity. Its really really sad to see this kind of tragedy in sports. But still, let's be thankful the chaos did not erupted into a more serious case which would've killed more than a hundred or two lives.
I can't imagine how people are so passionate about a sport that they're willing to sacrifice not just their lives but also the others just to vent out their frustrations for rooting on a lossing team.
Football fans are the most passionate fan base in all sports, and it's really scary to see when chaos happens as there are always a huge number of people in attendance, and I can't imagine how pitiful to see a person who died just to get out of the trouble.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Cryptmuster on October 03, 2022, 08:40:23 AM
I saw some video footage from fans uploaded on social media showing that when there was a riot where the police fired tear gas, it turned out that the exit gate was closed so there was an uncontrolled crowd buildup but tear gas was fired into the closed door area. The police here clearly violate the FIFA code of ethics and sanctions should also be given to the police. They took excessive precautions, so the audience who were panicked and angry due to the actions of the police resisted and ended up clashing between audience and the police. Until now the news is still in the world's spotlight about the future of Indonesian football which will certainly be bad.

It was a match of principle rivals (as reported in the news) and there were security violations not only by the police, but also by the stadium administration, since it is reported that more tickets were sold for the match than the stadium can accommodate. In any case, tear gas and closed gates are huge mistakes that led to terrible consequences. Of course, now that this problem has received worldwide publicity, measures will be taken, but this is too high a price...


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: 8rch7 on October 03, 2022, 08:42:05 AM
it's very sad that many fans died due to riots, I don't know what caused the riots, logically thinking it would be better even though we are fans of a certain club as well as enjoying it without having to do excessive actions
A dark event that will become history in Indonesian football, I personally saw the match between Arema versus Persebaya Surabaya, the incident started when an Arema supporter came down from the stands to meet Arema players, then followed by other spectators making the security forces panic and beat several people. security forces fired tear gas into the stands, so many died from shortness of breath, I think the riots occurred because of the negligence of the security forces and the disappointment of Arema supporters because they lost at home, because previously Arema had never lost against Persebaya since 26 years ago.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: salad daging on October 03, 2022, 08:51:52 AM
This is indeed one sad news that can never be forgotten in the history of football, and I sincerely sympathize with those who may have lost the life of a family member, friend, or colleague as a result of the outbreak of this chaos that lead to the death of over 170 fans. This is a big blow to the Indonesian government and its security agencies for failing to be professional while dealing with such a crowd, and I'm sure truly they deserve an indefinite suspension from football activities, because if prompt action is not taken now, so will the death records keep increasing every weekend.
This is a news in football and the talk of the world news has spread all over because of the many victims and this is the biggest tragedy that I have seen so far.
I also express my condolences for this incident hoping for the best for all of this, I am currently looking at the latest news about the investment that will be issued by the police and also PSSI in this related case.

I heard the words from the chairman of PSSI that in the future Arema Fc club may no longer play at the Kanjuruhan stadium. I don't know if this is the right suspension or there is no final decision yet, but I hope for the best and it won't happen to him again in the football arena.

We football lovers are certainly sad to see this news yesterday, all social media is filled with this news.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: danherbias07 on October 03, 2022, 10:19:09 AM
I don't understand how deep they support the team that lost but this kind of thing should not happen.
Viewers or supporters of the team should stop watching if they cannot be a sport about winning or losing. Or, they should just stay at home and watch PPV instead if they cannot control their emotions.
This will be a lesson. A big one. Perhaps after they lift the ban they should also increase the security when their games start again.
I am sad that kids will see this and their dreams of becoming football players will be affected too.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: passwordnow on October 03, 2022, 10:25:08 AM
Sad news, I may not be a fan of Football but I know that it's one of the biggest sports in the world. Rest in peace to those that have gone on this stampede incident.

I don't understand how deep they support the team that lost but this kind of thing should not happen.
When emotion kicks in, this could happen in every sport where clash and stampede could really happen and nobody control the intensity of it at the beginning then many of them will just realize to stop when they see people dying on the side.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: hahay on October 03, 2022, 10:54:21 AM
It's very regrettable that this incident happened but especially to the security forces at the stadium, I wonder why they fired tear gas into the stands because the chaos occurred in the middle of the field and not a riot in the stands. If there is a riot in the stands, then perhaps the security forces on duty will fire water cannons instead of tear gas. It is clear that this case is due to the wrong actions of the security forces at the stadium who do not know the rules passed by FIFA and of course, severe sanctions will be accepted by Indonesia. Of course, this incident will be very regrettable, because basically the Indonesian national team is currently under development and slowly they are looking better, but with this incident it looks like their efforts may be stalled.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: abhiseshakana on October 03, 2022, 11:18:03 AM
I don't understand how deep they support the team that lost but this kind of thing should not happen.
Viewers or supporters of the team should stop watching if they cannot be a sport about winning or losing. Or, they should just stay at home and watch PPV instead if they cannot control their emotions.
This will be a lesson. A big one. Perhaps after they lift the ban they should also increase the security when their games start again.
I am sad that kids will see this and their dreams of becoming football players will be affected too.
This is a disaster and certainly has tarnished Indonesian football. Unfortunately, it's not easy to tell fanatical supporters what they should be doing in responding to the loss/win obtained by the team they support. Because of their fanaticism, they will not be afraid to face anyone who dares to vilify their team. Actually, the government and the administrators of each club have given them education but it only has a temporary effect on those fanatical supporters. I think if they don't have the will to change themselves then the circle will never be broken.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: molsewid on October 03, 2022, 12:47:38 PM
Policemen in the stadium acted unprofessionally to control the spectators who invaded the pitch, firing tear gas canisters in an overcrowded stadium isn't the best crowd control, this isn't the first case of pitch invasion in football matches in other countries there are ways of controlling such an unmannered behavior of the fans and spectators without causing any casualties, the Indonesian government should prosecute the culprits behind the incident after a thorough investigation of the incident, my condolences to people who lost their love ones and wishing the injured quick recovery.
I agree, it will only create more and more panic to the people, they should learn how to manage people when times gets hard and especially if this things is not yet so expected to happen but they need to have a plan for this not firing gas canisters. There will always be a fight between fans in different games, not only in physical but also in egames, if there's a pro players there will be fans and anti-fans.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: crzy on October 03, 2022, 01:38:38 PM
Policemen in the stadium acted unprofessionally to control the spectators who invaded the pitch, firing tear gas canisters in an overcrowded stadium isn't the best crowd control, this isn't the first case of pitch invasion in football matches in other countries there are ways of controlling such an unmannered behavior of the fans and spectators without causing any casualties, the Indonesian government should prosecute the culprits behind the incident after a thorough investigation of the incident, my condolences to people who lost their love ones and wishing the injured quick recovery.
I agree, it will only create more and more panic to the people, they should learn how to manage people when times gets hard and especially if this things is not yet so expected to happen but they need to have a plan for this not firing gas canisters. There will always be a fight between fans in different games, not only in physical but also in egames, if there's a pro players there will be fans and anti-fans.
The authority didn't hesitate to take the stadium to control the situation but the supporter of losing team are very mad and they are doing things that is against the law which threatens many lives and the best way for the Policemen to control is to do maximum tolerance but it doesn't end well, and that casualties are very regrettable. 30 years of winning is really a big thing but the fans should anticipate it because this is sports after all, now I don't know if they will still continue playing or they will stop it in respect to those who died, this is a total nightmare.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: samuraijin on October 03, 2022, 02:07:22 PM
let's grieve for this tragedy for the umpteenth time it happened just because of football, this should be a serious concern from the Indonesian government to take care of this problem, actually no one can be blamed in this case because maybe everyone knows this riot also started from fanatical supporters so making provocations and the like, giving sanctions never creates a deterrent effect and there will always be riots like this again

a life looks very cheap in Indonesia and it must be stopped so that no more lives are lost just because of football, it needs serious handling in solving this problem and the government must also take a firm stand to solve this problem


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: mm2543363580 on October 03, 2022, 07:52:04 PM
let's grieve for this tragedy for the umpteenth time it happened just because of football, this should be a serious concern from the Indonesian government to take care of this problem, actually no one can be blamed in this case because maybe everyone knows this riot also started from fanatical supporters so making provocations and the like, giving sanctions never creates a deterrent effect and there will always be riots like this again

a life looks very cheap in Indonesia and it must be stopped so that no more lives are lost just because of football, it needs serious handling in solving this problem and the government must also take a firm stand to solve this problem
sometimes we dont understand the game which have happened behind the incident
Do you think it was already plotted? There might be some external forces involved to make this thing more disastrous and to weaken the country.
What are your thoughts about it - I don't think fans did that - I am sure there were goons in the crowd.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Tumanggor on October 03, 2022, 08:12:46 PM
this is what we are fighting for. the police continued to say that they had carried out according to the protocol but in fact, the tear gas was released into the stands, not in the lower stands which were in chaos

In sporting events in Indonesia, the role of the police and army has gone too far, they are really rude when carrying out their duties. it's time to change and not involve the police or the army in the most important sporting event of football
Policemen in the stadium acted unprofessionally to control the spectators who invaded the pitch, firing tear gas canisters in an overcrowded stadium isn't the best crowd control, this isn't the first case of pitch invasion in football matches in other countries there are ways of controlling such an unmannered behavior of the fans and spectators without causing any casualties, the Indonesian government should prosecute the culprits behind the incident after a thorough investigation of the incident, my condolences to people who lost their love ones and wishing the injured quick recovery.
your sentence is very good. btw, with this incident, people's trust in the police in my country has dropped drastically, they were the first thing to release tear gas and I asked myself if they couldn't predict what might happen and the crowd that had gathered became chaotic

It's time for Indonesian football to clean up from this incident and hopefully in the future for security at the stadium there is no need to invite soldiers or police (they are very arrogant)

even the president of madrid himself said it was a sad day for football


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: maknyos on October 03, 2022, 08:14:21 PM
let's grieve for this tragedy for the umpteenth time it happened just because of football, this should be a serious concern from the Indonesian government to take care of this problem, actually no one can be blamed in this case because maybe everyone knows this riot also started from fanatical supporters so making provocations and the like, giving sanctions never creates a deterrent effect and there will always be riots like this again

a life looks very cheap in Indonesia and it must be stopped so that no more lives are lost just because of football, it needs serious handling in solving this problem and the government must also take a firm stand to solve this problem
Sad to see this news that has swallowed hundreds of people who became victims. I think the Indonesian league should develop this case accurately to catch the people who caused the chaos. I saw the news that the Kanjuruhan stadium was destroyed due to this riot and many of the victims were young people where they were 20 years old. quite painful and very dear to many parties related to this incident.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Viscore on October 03, 2022, 08:52:30 PM
Yes I have read about this sad and tragic incident that happened in Indonesia. i don't really follow football but sport of any kind should be played and watched with a good sportsman spirit because nothing is important  than anyone's life. similar incident happened in Pakistan and Afghanistan cricket match in Dubai but things got under control by the authorities.  
Same here. I’m not a fan of football and I don’t usually bet on it but with this tragic event causing a lot of lives to end, my sympathy to all those bereaved families. It’s a sad truth that there are really fans who can never control their emotions and end up into riots. The reason that those police officers fired tear gas in response to those fans who are involved in riots. I just hope the same incident would not happen again, not only in football but in all types of sports.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: mm2543363580 on October 07, 2022, 11:55:13 PM
Yes I have read about this sad and tragic incident that happened in Indonesia. i don't really follow football but sport of any kind should be played and watched with a good sportsman spirit because nothing is important  than anyone's life. similar incident happened in Pakistan and Afghanistan cricket match in Dubai but things got under control by the authorities.  
Same here. I’m not a fan of football and I don’t usually bet on it but with this tragic event causing a lot of lives to end, my sympathy to all those bereaved families. It’s a sad truth that there are really fans who can never control their emotions and end up into riots. The reason that those police officers fired tear gas in response to those fans who are involved in riots. I just hope the same incident would not happen again, not only in football but in all types of sports.
This is a very sad incident - but I have a feeler maybe this is plotted by the external factors to create unrest in Indonesia
But the loss of innocent lives is a real sad story - may God bless the departed souls.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: DeathAngel on October 10, 2022, 08:33:07 PM
Such tragic news, I really can’t believe this kind of thing is still happening in sport today. So many lives needlessly lost. Nobody should ever go to a football match & not return home. My heart goes out to the families of those who lost their lives, so sad. I hope there is a serious inquest into this & people are held responsible for this tragedy. RIP all who lost their lives.


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: mm2543363580 on October 10, 2022, 11:49:55 PM
Such tragic news, I really can’t believe this kind of thing is still happening in sport today. So many lives needlessly lost. Nobody should ever go to a football match & not return home. My heart goes out to the families of those who lost their lives, so sad. I hope there is a serious inquest into this & people are held responsible for this tragedy. RIP all who lost their lives.
There might be some external forces involved to make this thing more disastrous and to weaken the country.
What are your thoughts about it


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: Aowizz on October 11, 2022, 09:00:11 PM
Yes, that's right. Regarding tear gas (in this case it is written "crowd control gas"), FIFA clearly prohibits its use in stadiums.
FIFA has also written rules / appeals related to how to anticipate the invasion of fans into the field area. I think a lot of the casualties in the tragedy were because the security forces fired tear gas.
indeed In a derby match, the potential for friction is bound to happen.
Riots and fans entering the field are definitely a possibility
But not by means of tear gas.
Firing tear gas, will make fans jostling for the exit, and eventually become hypoxic.
whatever it is I extend my deepest condolences to the families and friends of the victims who lost their lives following this tragic incident.
Both are equaly wrong


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: mm2543363580 on October 13, 2022, 02:41:59 PM
Such tragic news, I really can’t believe this kind of thing is still happening in sport today. So many lives needlessly lost. Nobody should ever go to a football match & not return home. My heart goes out to the families of those who lost their lives, so sad. I hope there is a serious inquest into this & people are held responsible for this tragedy. RIP all who lost their lives.
Has there any investigation being carried out?
Which group is behind it - what has Indonesia done to hold the accountable?
sports should be fun - people should not take it personal


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: mich on October 16, 2022, 04:53:47 AM
It is such horrific and sad news to hear that things could have taken place at the Indonesian soccer game. An event that shouldn’t have ended with at least 125 dead is truly a tragedy. Yes, a lot of emotions were running high that night for such an important game.

But don’t think it was right that along with the 125 people dead another 300 people were also injured simply because they couldn’t keep people in control. When I read the news, it was such a disappointment not only for the people that lost their lives but for the sport of football. 


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: mm2543363580 on October 16, 2022, 06:40:20 PM
It is such horrific and sad news to hear that things could have taken place at the Indonesian soccer game. An event that shouldn’t have ended with at least 125 dead is truly a tragedy. Yes, a lot of emotions were running high that night for such an important game.

But don’t think it was right that along with the 125 people dead another 300 people were also injured simply because they couldn’t keep people in control. When I read the news, it was such a disappointment not only for the people that lost their lives but for the sport of football. 
that is true - people went to have fun
they would not have imagined in the wildest dream that this will happen and they would lose their life in the football stadium


Title: Re: R.I.P Asian Football World : Indonesia
Post by: clementmckernan on November 08, 2022, 11:47:57 PM
IMO, this wasn't supposed to happen. An unfortunate incident that will go down in football history. The supporters of each club should be aware of their limitations. There are more leagues taking place, and only now is football's popularity in Asian nations improving. Once more, this occurrence will have an impact on Asian countries' football history. Although they are commonly known to be quite violent when it comes to football, I wouldn't really consider it to be Indonesian violence. I`d read on https://zumroad.com/sportince (https://zumroad.com/sportince) since a LOT of people came out to the field, I suppose it appeared as like something "was" about to happen. From what I can tell, it seems more like fans were interrogating the team about why they lost.