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Nice to see another mixer coming in.

1. You should consider buying copper membership to be able to post image, details will be here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote) And should have a nice graphical image placed (see how it's done (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416985.0)) on the main topic instead of all these texts.
2. You need to brand the product in the community. Hire a campaign manager and plan for a signature campaign. I can help if you want. I am currently managing sinbad.io mixer signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.0). We can plan for something similar depending on your budget of course. If you reach out then we can discuss.
3. The site looks nice and simple. Very minimal. Loads faster however with tor connection it does not load background image and colors. Maybe you want to look at it a bit.

Welcome to the forum. See you around and wish you success.

Do you provide any signed message as letter of guarantee for the addresses generated by your system?

So, it is not a free mixing service. Right?

Also, what are the minimum & maximum value that you can mix at one go?

Why would anyone use centralized website like Mixero for this, when they can use their own wallets for coinjoin in more decentralized way?
By using new websites like Mixero I could lose Bitcoin because I trust you, and by using coinjoin or joinmarket I can't lose anything.
Not to mentioned that mixero domain is registered only few days ago, as well as bitcointalk forum profile. so risk is very high compared to all other mixers that exist for years.

Tor version should be top priority.

I don't trust clearnet any bit when it comes to mixing Bitcoins. This is how mixers get taken down or get spied on by Governments for months.

Obviously though their FAQs are not clear about fees, but they are displayed in the mixing page

They only display a minimum of 0.002 BTC in the sending address page, No idea about the maximum. I Wonder it they would mix 100,000 BTC at once  ;D

Why would mixer use TLS certificate issued by "Google Trust Services LLC"? While google have great technical capability, they have poor privacy history.


Correct, you can't choose "none" option on their website. Although it's unusual user only can choose 4 different fee option since some mixer show slider where user can choose their own fee (within specific range).

Even though it significantly improves the privacy of your users, I'm against using this specific type of mixing since it indirectly creates a connection with other users!

On your website, "it's 100BTC (https://ghostarchive.org/archive/DJQEQ)"... Which one is accurate?

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• I didn't see any preventive measures for eliminating the possibility of getting our previous funds in subsequent transactions!
• You might want to also add support for Taproot addresses or rather mixes.

Hello to all.

Here is a global answer to these different comments;

-Indeed a letter of guarantee is available when you send your BTC and you can obviously send it to our support address, unique intermediary for all your questions or possible problems; [banned mixer]@protonmail.com.

-The minimum to send is 0.002 BTC, if the amount is lower, it will be perceived as a donation. The maximum amount is currently 100 BTC in order to guarantee a successful transaction we do not offer more for the moment.

-We take into account your reluctance towards clearnet, that's why the .onion TOR link will be available very soon and is currently undergoing final testing. We simply allow access to the service in clearnet for those who do not use or do not want to use services on TOR.

-We provide a simple and fast service, fee modification functions as well as percentage per addresses will be added in the future.

-Our mixing protocol is not a simple CoinJoin existing, we have developed our own strategies through various methods to ensure a unique transaction per user while mixing the CoinJoin concept. We ensure that each transaction is unique and you will not mix your new transactions with old ones, of course. Thanks to your comment, this clarification is added to our about page.

We need to start simple in order to listen to possible comments and criticism. As with this forum, your feedback is taken into account and some changes have already been implemented, such as a clearer about page than it was.

A big thank you to all and a good anonymity.

Having the PGP public key available somewhere on the website (may be on the footer section) liked or allow to download will be a good addition. That way it will be available to everyone to verify the signed message. send from the Letter of Guarantee.

The last mixer I saw that claimed to use coinjoin, didn't use coinjoin. In this case, I see many red flags: despite being a brand new website, they claim to be able to coinjoin 100 Bitcoin. Doing that would require several other users to coinjoin the same amount at the same time, which isn't realistic.
@OP: can you sign a message proving ownership of anything close to 100 Bitcoin? My gut feeling tells me the most likely scenario after someone deposits 100 Bitcoin is an exit scam. And it will happen at much lower amounts too.

Did you come up with this BS on your own?

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"The blockchain is insecure"

Hi there!

I think you didn't read our last answer, our CoinJoin is real but not CoinJoin by definition, this concept is adapted to our own methods.

Moreover the principle of CoinJoin does not require at all a sending at the same time and at the same amount per user, otherwise no service could ensure it given the impossible amounts to predict. It is only when we receive different transactions from users that CoinJoin and our methods take effect for sending. Hence the variable delay.
Maybe not developed enough on our first post.

You are totally free not to trust us but we are absolutely not a "scam" just a new service and obviously it is difficult to find its audience.
However, we don't ask for big amounts now, we even advise trials with small amounts, and then the first criticisms will be useful to improve the service.

When we talk about a non-secure blockchain, we are talking about users' transactions that are traceable and absolutely not about security flaws. If it was the case we would not launch a service on this same blockchain!

Thank you for your comment and I hope I made it clearer.

I read it, and posting trivial statements like this are meaningless:

Make up your mind! The moment your initial statement got questioned, you changed your story.

That's literally what coinjoin does:
https://image.binance.vision/editor-uploads/3862b14074034f5ba73600717ff8e119.png

So, where's that signed message to prove you can mix 100 Bitcoin?

You should work on your terminology, and not just use it as buzzwords.

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What's with Newbies claiming to be the Best in their first post?

It's being negative that is not useful, you can simply use the services you like without criticizing the newness or be constructive without playing on every word you can read.

Saying that we use CoinJoin adapted to our own methods is not contradicting ourselves at all. As I said, just not explained enough in the first post.

"-Our mixing protocol is not a simple CoinJoin" is a proof we doesn't use it?
It's the proof we use the CoinJoin with our own methods that's all.

And how do you want a signed message on 100 BTC now?
You are surrealist, that just the amount maximum you can send, we know that by all the development we did. So you ask other mixers signed message about 1000 BTC ?

And again, no, the CoinJoin is not users sending the same amount at the same time as you said before, it's easy to guess that it's just not feasible. Everything happens once the different amounts are received.
 
The image you have shown is a CoinJoin that separates exact amounts but does not receive them at the same time nor at the same amount by the users, among the images you have seen on Google you have seen that the principle you state is far from being the only possibility.
In the same article you took you can see your image is really not the only way to use CoinJoin... The following is the exact function of CoinJoin, it's not a division concept...

"In essence, a CoinJoin involves the combination of inputs by multiple users into a single transaction."

The image you select shows how a CoinJoin works once the different amounts have been received, in fact it separates them into exact amounts, a good method but not the only one, the important principle is a mixture of the different amounts before sending them back. Making exact divisions will not change anything, it is just often the case because an exact division is easier to implement, we even use it at one of the transaction stages, but as already explained we mix it with other methods.

But in this case all mixers are wrong if we follow your reasoning.

This will be our last answer to your comments, we are not here for a knowledge war, we know what our service is worth. We prefer to focus on the constructive like all comments here.

Good evening to you!

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Right!

It's a good features we'll add for sure thanks to you!

Maybe in the FAQ page to know how to be sure about transaction for example.

Have a nice day!

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Until you show us some proof for your claims, or ownership for larger amount of Bitcoins, I will consider your statements to be misleading.
You first said that you are using CoinJoin, and we all know what that is, now you are claiming that you use something different that is not very well explained.
This is contradiction because you only changed statement here and on your website after I asked a question about CoinJoin, so then you reply that ''your coinjoin'' is somehow ''better''.

Hi!

We understand that. It is only an error on our part based on our explanation either here or on the website.
It's just that Coinjoin's principle seemed to be the main thing to say, we just realized later that explaining that it was added to our own protocols was better.
We don't change the version, we just change the precision of the explanation thanks to the first comments.
We know that this is a mistake and that it looks like a version change to get customers but it's not the case.
And all the services that use CoinJoin do it with their own added methods, all the services are different, so that's the case for all the services that use CoinJoin, that's just a bad way to explain, sorry about that.

Thanks !

TOR link up !

http://mixerokn7affrf6cf3xdfitwqdqzoz5mejnlwpl2gjbl6n5zvn4xw3ad.onion/

Thanks for comments.

Today I joined your signature campaign. I wish you success and continuity, but this prompted me to test what I will announce.
So I have the following suggestions:

• Why not do a paid Review Campaign? It doesn't cost much, about $30 per review (20 reviews) should suffice.similar topic WasabiWallet.io Review Campaign | 0.002 BTC/Review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402090.0)
• Do you plan to translate the site to any language?
• Are there any planes to make website work without java scripts?
• I was surprised by seeing https://www.tawk.to/ direct support on your site. its better to use protonmail email only.
• To quickly gain trust, there is a magic solution, which is to deposit an amount such as 1 bitcoin as a guarantee. If the site turns out to be scam, you can send money to a multi-signature address, managed by you and two trusted people in the forum.

If you follow the tips above, you will gain trust at lightning speed.

I did quick test and it seems your website doesn't recognize Taproot address as destination address. You might want to add to your FAQ that Taproot address isn't supported yet. And FYI, i use these address,
https://mempool.space/address/bc1pw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kt5nd6y (https://mempool.space/address/bc1pw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kt5nd6y)
https://mempool.space/address/bc1p0xlxvlhemja6c4dqv22uapctqupfhlxm9h8z3k2e72q4k9hcz7vqzk5jj0 (https://mempool.space/address/bc1p0xlxvlhemja6c4dqv22uapctqupfhlxm9h8z3k2e72q4k9hcz7vqzk5jj0)


I also wonder about that since there are so many JS library used (jquery, bootstrap, owl, etc.).

We now support the translation of our site into 7 different languages.

If you are interested in getting paid for testing our service, we have just launched a Review campaign here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5425730.0
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5425730.0)
Have a nice day!

This is a partly edited but mostly copy pasted response that I posted to the paid Review Campaign thread a few minutes ago (source) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5425730.msg61393183#msg61393183).

I want to check out your Mixing Service but I am running into a big issue straight away.  The website does not work at all without Java Script.  I strongly detest scripts, and therefore am running my browser with them disabled.  While some of Mixero's competitor Mixers work with Java Script disabled, Mixero shows a black screen straight up on multiple devices.

As someone desperate for Privacy, this is a deal breaker.  Remember you are also new, so earning trust may be a little difficult.  Expect many questions and remember things like the issue I am running into could for users like me be the decisive factor between using and not using your Service.

I think other Privacy advocates would agree this is very important (and now that I read this thread, can see this is one of the first things Mixer users may be looking for).  Particularly when you really want to break links and prints.

Would like to mention I only tried the Mixer using the Onion link.  Once the website works without Java Script, I will make sure an updated review is uploaded.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

I visited your site today and I'm glad you took action on the latest recommendation.


done.

done.
done.

What about those, is there any update?

If the last thing is not possible, is it possible, for example, to deposit one bitcoin for your Signature campaign (multi-signature address with the campaign manager) so that it is a kind of guarantee if a user is deceived or a problem and you are not able to respond within 72 hours.

It will be a good promotional campaign for you, for example, your money is guaranteed. If you do not receive a response from us within 72 hours, write what documents that you sent us in the forum, and the money will be refunded to you from the fund.

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I don't know how your mixing algorithm works but what will happen if the time exceeds four hours. Is it possible for the user to choose a specific time? Or is the user's money mixed and then sent to him?

will test it for free to know how your mixing service work. will update this later

Concerning a version without JavaScript we are working on it but you must know that most of our scripts are obfuscated. In any case we understand the fear of some people so we are working on it.

For the delay of 2 to 4 hours everything can depend on if the blockchain is overloaded or not but on average it takes 4 hours if after the time limit you still haven't received anything you can always contact us via our support.

Have a nice day!

Would like to suggest a few things.
1. Mixero should have a referral system to incentivize more users to use the platform. Like put in a primary btc address and get a unique referral link for that address to get for eg. 10-20% commission on the fees paid, once anyone joins via their link and uses the service. The more they invite, the more commissions they earn. How does it sound?

2. You may atleast add a link to bitcointalk ANN thread in the "contact us" section of the website. It'll make it easier for ppl who find the site thru other sources, to come and discuss here publicly, if they face any problems. The community will build stronger this way imo.

3. Would it be possible to choose and edit the % of amount going to each destination address ?  For example we choose 60% going to first destination and the rest 40% distributed equally to the next 4.

As we can see here its not possible to edit as of now:
https://i.imgur.com/SUBt2gQ.jpg

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EDIT:
Thanks for considering all the points!🙂

A referral system could be implemented in the future but it is not the priority for the moment.

Our bitcointalk ANN will be added in our about section.

The ability to change percentages is something we are actively working on and should be available later this week.

- As a web developer, I think since your website won't load lots of items for each page it needs to be a single page and this will be more user-friendly to don't refresh the whole page after which to about or faq page, you can maybe use react for this which can give you many other features.
- Also since the user doesn't have many options on the first page I suggest you add some more features. for example, let the users edit the number of bitcoins for each destination address as @Edwardard already said.
- You can even add some RTL languages, like Arabic to your website which can be more challenging to sync the UI.
- Most people don't use these services because of fees, so maybe you can give some discounts during the events like Christmas for the additional fees you take.
- "We don't use an existing CoinJoin algorithm, it's built by our own strategies." Most people are familiar with the existing CoinJoin and how it works but you could give some more explanation about how it works on your FAQ page.

Edit:
- You need to do some re-work and make the website more responsive for different devices.
1- Create a toggle menu for mobile size
2- The service fee doesn't need to be this wide at mobile size
https://i.imgur.com/LCCcCP3.png

My Review after using Mixero Mixer.

I just try the onion link first but it seems going slow to access on my PC and then I force to change to clearnet link that quite comfortable to use in my chrome.

The first time open the site is a bit surprised because it looked different from other mixers with I've ever used, without further ado, Mixero direct me to the proof of the received address, so maybe they want to make to it simple without any layout information, but it's okay if the user understands how is going.

and one thing which is quite annoying is, if we must be required to fill up the Service Fees I think deleting that none in the options is good to save server space.

I tried to send a minimum, 0.002 BTC using a 0.9% fee, here we go,

https://i.postimg.cc/fyZMvwcb/1.png

After sent,

https://i.postimg.cc/bvBTbrjQ/3.png

I still can check transactions when open-closed browser with link https://[banned mixer]/Home/get_address
but it can't happen when using a different browser like firefox or deleting cookies.
Maybe better to make the code link (or restore the session) to make it easy if the user wants to monitor the transaction.

After 1-2 hours I received a mixing coin 0.00145983 from 0.002. which means you will get cut ± 5K satoshi for the fee if using 0.9% service.

This is by far the easiest Mixer I used. I was just confused with the choices of percentages, but I just choose the highest, and without any problem, my transaction has been confirmed in less than 15 minutes. Maybe I will try a lower service fee next time, probably the lowest and let's see how many minutes or hours before it will confirm.

https://i.imgur.com/mJCB6A1.png

Overall, the mixer is easy to use, and therefore it's highly recommended.

By the way, always read the terms and make sure you know the minimum and maximum to send.

https://i.imgur.com/AlUn2E2.png

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Suggestion: Just keep this simple UI as it's easy to understand for an average joe, also, keep your reputation clean so you'll be able to earn more clients in the future, wish you luck in your future and hopefully you'll have more clients to cater to.

Is there an ETA?

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Regards,
PrivacyG

My review

I first used pay-to-tap-root address, it was not valid. I tried legacy, nested segwit and native segwit addresses, they were all valid. Instead of P2TR addresses that I would have preferred, I used native segwit for it.

When I wanted to choose the fee to be used, I would have preferred 'none' (no fee ;D) to see if it is a free service that also depends on donation as an option (although fee was stated to be included for every coin mixed on the site). To make it more better, just remove the 'none' and let it remain blank until when clicked upon, to see the fee, excluding 'none' from it.

I used the highest fee, but the mixing took more than 2 hours. Mempool was around 26 sat/vbyte at the time, with a fee for 1 input and 2 output not up to $0.7.

At first, it was not working with the onion link using Tor, but that has been fixed and it is working perfectly now, but slower which is expected while using Tor.

I sent 0.0021 BTC.
0.00074 BTC was sent to the two addresses that I provided which totalled 0.00148 BTC.

I would conclude that the coin was actually mixed, just like some other mixers, nothing like coinjoin but which was later stated on the site not be be coinjoin actually. But the principle used for the mixing is not transparently explained when checking about how the mixer works, it would be good if you can work on that, to further explain how the mixing works.

I provided two addresses, which means extra charges, I expected the two addresses to be funded from different addresses that have no past connection, but funded from the same single address, although I was unable to trace the transactions to the coins that I sent to the mixer for mixing.

I visited your website to mix some coins today and I liked the website design, it's very simple which is good. I think fees are a little bit higher considering the mixer is very new, maybe add a zero fee tier too? that will attract more users. FAQ probably missing a question, Some might ask why to use your mixer when there are some reputable ones running for years. Another idea is adding proof of reserve funds.100 BTC is a lot if the owner can sign a message from a bitcoin address holding 100 BTC I think a large number of users will start using without fear of losing their funds.

Hello everyone, we are happy to announce that it is now possible to edit the percentages by address.

We are still working on the non-js version of the site and will let you know as soon as it is ready.

I decided to be a guinea pig and test Mixero website to see how it works.
First what I notice is some grammatical mistakes in website that needs to be corrected with proofreading.
This looks very bad and unprofessional, scammers are doing this mistakes all the time.
All about page and FAQ page are very poorly written but I marked few mistakes I noticed right away.

https://i.imgur.com/3HpLn4o.jpg

I received coins for my review before I tested anything, but that doesn't mean I have to say anything good for Mixero.
They had option to choose fees including, None, that can't be selected and I don't understand why doing this.
I selected lowest 0.9% fee that is now increased to 1.3%.
Minimal amount for mixing is 0.002 BTC and I think minimum amount should be lower.

First strange thing I saw is they claim to receive my transaction one second after I sent my coins and there was no chance they could register that on blockchain so fast.

https://i.imgur.com/E29N3Nh.jpg

Procedure was simple and I sent everything as instructed, but I didn't receive any coins back for more than 24 hours!
They are claiming on website that delay is from 2 to 4 hours but I selected lowest fee so I should receive coins early.
After waiting for long time I had to write to Mixero support and send them transaction and letter of guarantee that I downloaded.
Than they manually sent me mixed coins back.

I was not happy with this service, and I don't want to talk with support several times when I didn't do anything wrong.
There are better services for mixing Bitcoin, and I think Mixero needs to improve a lot before I would use it ever again.

Do you know most people use mixing services for money laundering? Don't you have a problem if some hacker stole bitcoins from people and used your service to get away with theft?

Hello, we are sorry to hear that you had a problem with our service. We are doing a lot of updating in the last 24 hours. One update probably caused a bug in our process but everything is now fixed and your funds were sent back to your bitcoin address.

The message confirming that we have received your transaction is not at all strange since at the time you sent your transaction it only takes a few seconds for the blockchain to detect it.

Regarding some spelling mistakes in our about section we apologize and we will fix it as soon as possible.

Have a nice day!

Even if this is true, there is no way you could start mixing coins when transaction is unconfirmed and you didn't receive anything.
I used minimal fees when I sent bitcoin from my wallet so there is no chance mixing could start so early.
Poor language needs to be corrected again.

It is not badly written but not precise enough according to you. I don't see the problem of saying that we have received your transaction even if it hasn't been confirmed on the blockchain yet. But indeed we can't start mixing the funds if they haven't been confirmed. So we should check if it has been confirmed at least once on the blockchain. 

Kind regards.

The coin can be double-spent, but which you will also not later mix anything. Just that it would be good to be more transparent. You can just let it be that the the coin would be mixed after 1 confirmation.

What if someone make use of your mixer, thinking you have received the coin he sent you, but the mempool is or become very congested, taking over hours or days before his transaction got confirmed. The person can later know the transaction is not yet confirmed, but referring to what was shown on your site that it is wrong. Transparency will help.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/20/65HUo.jpeg

I try to mix using 2 Bitcoin Address(Legacy & Segwit) on my Binance account as seen on screenshot above. I just notice the lack of guide or info button about the minimum mix amount and other info that will help newbie to easily understand what to do and what is the blank field use for.

About service fee, You should put a note that transaction fee is excluded on this charges percentage and also have an info about the advantage of using higher fee compared to the lowest fee. I'm not a technical guy so I don't understand exactly how will improve my transaction privacy.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/20/65STT.jpeg

Moving on, I'm hoping to see a separate page that will give us info on what's the status of my transaction such as estimated time and estimated amount that we will received after the mixing process. I'm expecting 0.9% service fee that will apply plus minimal transaction fee but the result is 0.0005BTC was charge on my send amount. Its better if you can have a price breakdown for charges.

Also please highlight the minimum and maximum amount so that it will be noticeable.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/20/65Z1l.jpeg

Lastly, I received the amount shown above(note I sent 0.006275BTC) on my account even though the mixero page status is still on mixing status. This is why I'm requesting a status page for the mixer website so that customer will just need to check on the mixero page for the status rather than checking the receiver address since this wll be hassle if the receiver is other person.

Conclusion: I don't encounter any mixing problem while using the website except the unexpected fee since I assume that service fee is what will be the only charges.

Hello, a fixed fee of 0.0005 BTC is clearly explained on the About page, we don't see the point of quoting it on every page knowing that before using this kind of service every customer should read carefully our explanation section.

Concerning a status page normally a success page should be displayed but a bug on our side was blocking the redirection but this has been fixed now.

Good day to you and thank you for your review.

My review about Mixero

Initial visit

Using Tor Browser, i visit both clearnet ([banned mixer]) and onion version of Mixero website. The clearnet version load faster, but it's not surprising since Tor use 6 hops to access onion website while it only use 3 hops to access clearnet website. As i mentioned on earlier post, there are so many JS library used[1]. But this time i also notice clearnet version access fonts.gstatic.com and fonts.googleapis.com. It could be red flag for some people who have very serious privacy concern, so it'd be great if those file is hosted on your own server.


When i check "About" page, i see ambiguous claim about Bitcoin/blockchain security. This sentence need to be worded better to let people know you're talking about possible security reduction due to transparent blockchain, not other kind of security (cryptography, PoW, etc.).


When i read about contact method, i notice you only use protonmail. I would recommend you to mention it's more secure if user also use protonmail due to end-to-end encryption[2] and there's free pricing tier option[3]. And adding additional contact method would be great addition.

Mixing Bitcoin

To try mixing, i decide to use Tor Browser and onion version of Mixero website. As i mentioned on earlier post[1], Taproot/P2TR address isn't supported, so i decide to use native SegWit/Bech32 address. And since i only plan to send Bitcoin slightly higher than 0.002BTC, i only choose 1 destination address with 1.8% service fee. Afterwards, i was presented with deposit address and button to download guarantee latter.

I decide to download guarantee latter and then send Bitcoin from my wallet. Shortly after sending the Bitcoin, i click "check transaction" and it shows pop up which say receive the fund and i can close the page. After almost 2 hours i received CoinJoined/mixed coin. I checked received value and it match with 50K satoshi fee/address and 1.8% service fee.

Conclusion

Overall the mixing process is relative easy. But as other user mentioned, choosing percentage of each destination and flexible service fee are important feature which should be added. Obviously there should be lower/upper percentage limit for both destination address and service fee. And personally i feel 0.002BTC lower limit could be turn off for few people people since other mixer such as cryptomixer[4] and Whirlpool CoinJoin on Sparrow Wallet[5] only have 0.001 BTC limit.

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[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422495.msg61365081#msg61365081
[2] https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained
[3] https://proton.me/support/create-a-free-email-account-address
[4] http://[banned mixer]/faq.html
[5] https://sparrowwallet.com/docs/mixing-whirlpool.html

Thank you for your honest opinion. We are taking into account everything you have said and will probably make improvements as a result of your review.

We have already made improvements, it is now possible to change the percentage for each address and also we have added more detail to the Check transaction function which is now much more accurate on the current state of the mixing process.

Have a nice day!

I liked the interface, it's very simple and readable, it needs some edits but it's very good.
The availability of the translation option for several languages is excellent, the response of the support team and the continuous update is good, you need to gain more trust and add things that are not available to competitors such as mixing with the lightning network, controlling the time of receipt, sending coins after a specific block number, and any feature that proves that you are You destroy logs.

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.Questions that need to be answered:.

Can the address be reused? I noticed that the home page leads to this page (,) and therefore if I update it or open it in a new browser, I will get a different address, so can I reuse my old address? then how service fees will be calculated, If not, there is no express rule forbidding it.

LETTER OF GUARANTEE massage: It does not contain the date, fees, receiver's address, or any other details. you can see ----START DATE----- but its out of signed massage.

Why there are no PGP signature? In other words, if someone gets access to the private key of this address "32soLWBMMyH2RkkH7xaMcsAyrKjiaGXwU5," all your old LETTER OF GUARANTEE massages will be useless.

Proof of Receipt: Can I obtain proof that I have received the coins from [banned mixer]? In the event that it was sent to an exchange and it was frozen because it came from a casino or gambling site.

.Urgent things to add:.

1) Privacy Level: You can call it any name, but applying it will be useful on the home page an indicator that measures the degree of privacy so that if you add more addresses and different fees, you will get a higher level in the "Privacy Level" indicator while give a warning for the same address or low fees.


Just re-phrase this sentence in a slider and add it to the home page.

2) BTC mempool: It would be nice to give an estimate of the fees so that the user does not send too many fees in the transaction.
3)Token ID for each transaction: Almost the only way to prove ownership is Letter Of Guarantee, but if you add a token for each transaction, this will end the confusion in the issue of address reuse.
Modified service fees: It is better to have them dynamic rather than a fixed fee (a slider between them 0.9% to 2.4%) as this will make it difficult to track transactions.
API: You can add it for developers or for those who do not want to use the site directly, and you can also try to integrate the site as an addition to Electrum wallet.

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Please contact and pay to @madu -----> Breaking Mixing Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117328.0) He has proven that most mixing services can be traced, if he proves that your mixing service cannot be traced then you will get a privilege on all mixing services, at least on this forum.

I'm going to write a second part that talks about how your mixing service work, but I'm busy now and I'll see how all the updates will be before I start writing it.

Hello and thank you for your opinion. Every opinion is important and we take them all into account for future improvements.

Concerning the reuse of an address used previously it is not possible and indeed we do not notify it so we will add a message in relation to that.

For the privacy level we will add this option directly on the homepage that will of course be linked to the service fee and we will detail this more on our about section. We are currently working on a new way to obfuscate transactions for fees from 2%. This is based on swapping to monero and other techniques which makes tracking much harder knowing the degree of privacy that the monero blockchain provides.

For developers an api could be integrated in a few months.

Thanks again for your opinion and have a nice day!

I've just finished testing [banned mixer] and I've to say that there are many improvements from the last time I checked it, a week ago!
Bellow i'll share my experience and what I've noticed during the whole process:

* When you open [banned mixer] you will be requested to provide a destination address and here is what I noticed:
  - taproot is not supported although it helps improve users' privacy which is the main purpose of using a mixer.
  - if you add more destination address fields, enter the address then adjust the percentage, the percentage of the first address will be auto-adjusted accordingly and you can proceed. However, if you add more fields, adjust the percentages without entering the destination addresses first, there will be no auto-adjustment. You won't be able to proceed but it won't tell you what's the error either.
  -! you can provide an invalid address and [banned mixer] will accept it as long as it starts with the right chars and has the right length (take this one as an example: 3HGky2M2JsLsmRqoQkBwsf8Ts9W3mnb9rG)

* When you click proceed, you will be redirected to a new page where you can download the letter of guarantee and will be given the address to send your coins to:
  - maybe am missing something but I couldn't / didn't know how to verify the authenticity of the LoG. There is no guide on how to do it and most importantly I couldn't find the address it was signed with! Again, I may've missed something.
  - while waiting for the transaction to get confirmed, I opened a new tab and started a new session. When I went back to the first tab I was surprised that it's the same session as the new one and there is no way to restore the old one! A session id should be provided for each mixing order.

Now the most important part:
Surprisingly, few seconds after the mixing process started, I received the allegedly mixed coins.
The transaction I received was flagged as CPFP which made me curious and looked it up on a block explorer and after going few hops back I was surprised to see the address I sent the coins from!!
So what happened: I sent the coins to be mixed, mixero deducted the fees, sent the coins to few new addresses then sent the remaining to the destination address!

I hope I'm missing something or this is just due to a bug or something, but this isn't coin mixing!

For transparency purposes:
this is the sent transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/9f9271c8f0cb3c9fe90b95b85d68eecec32ebd9c6764dc84e342b46f6330891d
This is the received transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/cfe5c0fe4d6098fffb07a1382bb40da1ac694fc0733c68297b1f1a252b18fc35

Hello and thank you for your opinion.

Concerning the small bug of address this one is going to be fixed as soon as possible it looks like a bug with the regex.

Concerning the sessions we should integrate a system of restoration of sessions what would facilitate the management of the payments for the users.

The fact that you received your funds within seconds of seeing the message that we are starting to mix your funds is very strange. Since most clients receive their funds on average after 1 to 2 hours after seeing this message.

You say that you were able to find the address from which you send the money? This does not actually prove that the owner of the address that received the money is the one who sent it. In reality everything has been done so that the funds received at the destination do not link the address with which you with send your funds. Each mixer has different ways of doing this but the goal is to provide a way to remove any link with the owner of the wallet that sends it and the one that receives it.

Have a nice day and thank you.

First I have to say that Mixero has nothing to so with original CoinJoin technology so it's misleading to include that term in description on this website.
CoinJoin is trustless and decentralized method for combining Bitcoin from multiple addresses into single transaction, and we have something different with Mixero.
I won't go deeply into comparison and I would leave that to experts, but I will shortly write about my experience with using Mixero one time.

I opened website, entered my receiving Bitcoin address and selected lowest possible fee that was 0.9%, after that I sent my coins to address shown on next page.
After few hours I received my coins but I was surprised to see that I received much lower amount of coins than I originally sent.
I won't say exact amount of coins I sent to keep my privacy, but I will say that Mixero took more than 5% fee, that is something they don't even offer on their website!
Imagine if you sent 1 Bitcoin and you receive 0.95 Bitcoin back... that is over $840 just on fees!
I selected 0.9% fee so I should have received around 0.991 BTC, but htis was not the case.
Highest fee they offer on Mixero website 2.4% but you need to select this manually, so there is clear mistake or misleading information from Mixero.

I didn't contact Mixero support for this, but this is very wrong and it doesn't look good to me, so I would suggest people to stay away from Mixero website.

Hello, we are a little surprised to hear this review. If you took a look at our about section you can read that we take an additional fee of 0.0005 BTC fixed and 0.0002 BTC per additional address. If you have sent a small amount of money this explains why the fees seem high. For example, if you sent 30$ (0.0018 BTC) and selected 0.9% fee you would have to deduct 0.9% of this amount + 0.0005 BTC fee which equals a final amount of 0.0012838 BTC (21.67$).

So if someone sends 1 BTC using 0.9% fee he will pay about 160$ in fees.

To conclude, for smaller amounts the percentage may seem higher but this is due to the fixed fee of 0.0005 BTC.

Thank you for your understanding, have a nice day!

This information should be clearly written on the main page, fixed fee will be charged plus service fee, but this makes your service almost unusable for sending smaller amount of coins.
I only glimpsed FAQ and About page, and my math was wrong for 1 Bitcoin sent, but I sent more than 30$ of Bitcoin and I expected to receive that amount minus service and transaction fees.

Do you provide bitcoin for test or tbtc to do that? I would like to test and compare it with other mixers.

Hello we have made some changes to our about section to make it a little more accurate and detailed.


Hello, a review campaign with earnings as a reward was launched about 2 weeks ago. Unfortunately this one is now over. A new campaign could be launched in the coming weeks. We will keep you informed.

Have a nice day !

Well if you have already done the review campaign then there is no need to repeat it, unless you'd like for new features to be tested and reviewed. One of the best ways to gain trust and popularity is by escrowing whatever the accepted max amount on your site is to give confidence to people using your service, you could tell your customers about such escrowed funds. You will soon find out how that would work in your interest.
Don't forget the zero fee option, at least for a while, not earning money and even spending from pocket for a few month to gather more and more clients is a powerful advertisement.
You could set a time limit for zeroo fee policy, something like 6 month, when you get enough traffic and gained enough trust, you could start charging fees, not too much but stay competetive since competition is tough in this business especially with giants like chipmonks aka chipmixer.😜

Hello everyone, we have decided to lower the minimum service fee to 0.2% until February 2nd. We are lowering the minimum fee to encourage people to try our service.

Have a nice day!

Thanks a lot for the feedback, I was looking forward some txd from this mixer! And you are right, just by using the explorer itself you can find that basically it moved the coins between same addresses. This is more like doing mixing yourself with some random pubkeys ending up in the same place. I was a bit excited about this new mixer but now I am feeling dissapointed.

Hi, can you be more clear when you say "it moved the coins between same addresses"? This person you are talking about says that he was surprised to be able to find the address where the funds were sent from using the blockchain. Also we do not reuse any previous addresses.

If you want to mix your funds yourself you are free to do it yourself and many tools like Wasabi Wallet or Joinmarket and many others will allow you to do it. Our service allows you to simplify all this with a few clicks.

Sincerely yours!

Hi Mixero Team

I am one of the three participants in the review campaign who were late in publishing their work. And since the deadline for publishing the review is tomorrow, I decided to try the mixer tonight using my chrome browser with metamask addon installed. But the problem I encountered is that the mixero link is not working. Each time I try to access the site, the link changes and I see this red screen with a warning text :

https://i.imgur.com/r0P1mCE.png

Official link:
MetaMask warning link:

Changing the browser to Firefox, the link works without a problem. It's clear that it's a warning from metamask app in my browser. Any explanation why i got that warning then why it's necessary to disable metamask. I didn't disable metamask and i won't too. I will continue with Firefox.


All previous published reviews were good, in my opinion, and mentioned all the necessary details and notes. I will be documenting my experience with the mixer by describing each step :

1- I chose to use Segwit's address and pay the largest percentage of the fees 2.4%.
https://i.imgur.com/CE3PhPt.png
At this point I noticed the fee percentage set as the highest value which is 2.4%. I find it reasonable to specify the lowest percentage that the user can pay, but why do you specify the highest percentage? One of the users may wish to pay an additional percentage as a thank you or support reward. I also did not like the association of the fee rate with the speed of the process. I think it is better to set a fixed fee for completing the service for all users at a unified time, and not according to the percentage of the fees paid by each of them. You can imagine one of the users who wants to do the process quickly and does not have an additional amount to pay as a fee for a quick service, of course he will choose another mixer.

2- After clicking the proceed button, i got this page:
https://i.imgur.com/mnnatK2.png
I choose to send the minimum amount which is 0.002. But why i see the "View Transaction" option before i broadcast the transaction? I think it's better to show that command once detect the deposit transaction. I have also downloaded the Letter of Garantee which contain basic info about the operation.

3- The system detects my deposit transaction so fast and i can finally see this message by clicking the "View Transaction" command:
https://i.imgur.com/BfPiCMu.png
In the message it says "waiting for 1 confirmation". But after the transaction got one block confirmation the message changes to:
https://i.imgur.com/PQhnpFI.png
What does it mean "we just start mixing your funds" or is it just a greeting message instead of saying that the system is waiting for more network confirmations? As right after the transaction got the second confirmation, i got this happy screen:
https://i.imgur.com/GHWGFjC.png

In total, i have sent 0.002 btc and received 0.00142611 btc. I am not that good in maths but it seems to me that the deducted amount is much more higher than 2.4%. In dollars, i sent 33$ and only receive 23$, the fee is about 10$. Or maybe i will receive another transaction?

Hello thank you for your honest opinion!

Regarding the Metamask alert we have already notified and it is very strange we do not see the connection with "phishing" metamask may automatically restrict domains providing a service related to crypto-currencies that are not official according to them.

Regarding the status messages, when you send your btc we need at least 1 confirmation from the network to proceed with the mixing process.

Finally, regarding the fees, we keep repeating that everyone should absolutely read the about section of our site. All users of bitcoin mixer should do so. We clearly specify in Service Fees that a fixed fee of 0.005 BTC will be deducted in addition to the service fee.

Have a nice day!

I think it is necessary to work on resolving this problem and verifying whether it is the same problem with phone users. Only that I was able to dispense with a large market of users and potential customers. Metamask has millions of users and you can imagine their opinions about Mixer when you see this page.

You received the bitcoin once the transaction received a second network confirmation. Are all operations sent immediately after the second confirmation, or does this vary by deducting the fees that each user will pay?

I see that this information should be shown on the home page in the fees field. There is no sense in placing it on the "About" page, because you should expect that the user will not visit that page because of his confidence in your service, and even if he visits it once, he will not necessarily remember every piece of information. When he discovers that an additional fee has been deducted without it appearing in the Mix process, do not expect him to return to using the Mixer.

Hello everyone, a new way to mix your funds should be available in the coming days. This way will not cost any extra fee except the service fee unlike the current method (0.0005BTC per address + Service fees).

This way of mixing is a method rarely seen in the world of crypto mixers. Indeed this one is based on swapping, BTC->XMR->BTC. After exchanging your funds into XMR the funds will go through automatically generated wallets which are not linked to any exchange making it virtually «impossible» to trace.

An on-chain analysis is not possible because Monero is a privacy-based crypto and it is not possible to track these transactions on the blockchain. All links to the Monero addresses of the exchanges will be broken, as the funds will go through several Monero wallet. Also no correlation can be made with the amount of funds that will be exchanged from Monero to Bitcoin since the funds will be split into random pieces.

After that the funds will finally be exchanged back into BTC with transiting through some wallet and finally arriving at your destination address.

A message will be published to announce the release of this method.

Have a nice day!

I don0t think this method is rarely seen.
I already seen this swap being done on other websites in a manual way, and one website is even offering this automatically conversion already (I won't advertise it here publicly).
However, source of ''mixed'' Bitcoin that is sent to receiving address is not clear to me, and how is this any different than other mixers.

On-chain analysis is still going to be available for Bitcoin that is sent both ways, and unless you have freshly mined coins it's not going to be impossible to make connection, especially if there is connection with sent and received Bitcoin.

Hello thank you for your comment, indeed a swap with 2 steps automatically is rather rare generally that stops at a swap between 2 crypto and thus at a step.

What makes us unique is that between each swap the funds go through several addresses before being exchanged again. This makes it difficult to identify the link between these wallets.

Also, while an on-chain analysis is possible for BTC addresses after swaps, the question of how to link addresses before the XMR swap and those after is very difficult.

We recommend all users to create a new BTC address as destination address. Because using an exchange address with a verified KYC for example is a bad idea.

Have a nice day!

Do you plan to use multiple addresses only for Bitcoin, or both for Monero and Bitcoin?
We can also do this manually so I would have to compare fees that are spent like that with fees paid on mixero website, to see if it is worth of risk.
As for address reuse, nobody who is mixing Bitcoin is not that crazy to use exchange receiving address or doing addresses reuse, but I was not asking about that.

Hello, yes we use several addresses for Bitcoin and Monero.

Kind regards.

My apologies for this late review, I briefly explained my problem to the manager.

I am surprised that when opening the official site, I get a MetaMask Phishing Detection warning. Tried on Chrome, Firefox and Brave it's the same everywhere.


This page points me to CryptoScamDB (https://cryptoscamdb.org/search) but I didn't find anything in that database about [banned mixer].
anyway, I ignored it and continued to the site.

To begin with, a very simple page. I support the simple and minimal design and [banned mixer] is certainly that. maybe even too simple, some info hints would be useful, just so that the user is informed in which part of the process he is.

https://i.ibb.co/f1FKbJN/image.png (https://ibb.co/K0hQYns)

I send 0.0022BTC, choosing the lowest fee of 0.5%. very quickly I received confirmation that the transaction was detected and after 1 hour received exactly 0.00172645 BTC (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/36e2318a78465078587fb8779c31ad845f8a67742effa25e8cd439c392a3e4c8/). Now I am not sure how is calculated 0.5% (of 0.0022)=0.00047355.
I saw in some discussion in this thread that there is a fixed fee of 0.0005 plus the service fee... but I can't calculate which fee is exactly included in my case.

before the transaction, I think there should definitely be some informative part here. For example, what amount can I expect after mixing and the expected time for the completion of the process.

also, why there is no temporary key or link here? in case I close the page, I can no longer return to the same page with the transaction process.

I downloaded the Letter of Guarantee, but there is not much information or confirmation in it, except for the address to which I should send the funds. For example, the address I set up with the receipt of the coin does not appear anywhere, and I have no proof of it. if something unplanned happens, it can be very complicated to further proof. certainly does not instil confidence in the security of the service.

About Privacy: however, I could hardly give a passing grade here. it is not difficult at all to track the entire transaction, because only two addresses were promised and practically the same coins that I sent were returned to me. (minus fees of course)

So, I send 0.0022 to 34WMBPP4GoQKNTVE4GeLLGrkBNTyJmwCgn (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/34WMBPP4GoQKNTVE4GeLLGrkBNTyJmwCgn)
after that, the amount was divided into two almost identical amounts and moved to 1Coj6kLgtmf8QHsjFkwVGTuhYqunAFP79g and 1F4rN4naRNGEwHnVq48sUhUmwt16uFPpvz
from there put together again to 3L96i8wTKAgE5h53ZtJZS64CimFRhdHc4z and finally to the final destination, my receiving address (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/3FWdmutJ8pqH9D3VNd7j2BLBUXJv49qZxW).

honestly, this was very easy to follow. plus the separation into two identical halves and then rejoining it is almost obvious that it is coin mixing.
I would say that this is only a test phase, and my final impression is that there is still a lot of work to be done to finalize the product.

Update:

We are pleased to announce our new mixing method.
It is based on swapping to Monero and other mixing techniques.

The minmum amount to send is 0.0005 BTC and the maximum amount is 5 BTC. We take a fixed fee of 2% and this will be the only fee compared to our basic method which takes 0.0005 BTC fixed + service fee.

We encourage people to test it and give us feedback. We recommend its use because of the obfuscation efficiency that this method brings.

Have a nice day!

Can this be enabled with switch from Coinjoin to Advanced, and how fast is this method compared to standard option you offer?
I think you should enable more information about this, maybe when hovered over word Advanced, or something similar.

I can't find this information anywhere on your website, and there is no mention about Monero being used in this process.

What technologies are you talking about? Without a detailed explanation it will be difficult to trust what you are saying.
But let me make a simple comparison. The highest fee is 2.4% in Coinjoin option and about 2% in the advanced option. Does this mean that Coinjoin highest fees option gives higher privacy than advanced option? If the answer is no, then the higher privacy should be with the higher fees (in other words lower your Coinjoin fast fees,) right?

Coinjoin fees are now linked to the speed of processing. The new advanced method considerably improves anonymity.

We have explained it in detail before, here is the detailed explanation:

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This way of mixing is a method rarely seen in the world of crypto mixers. Indeed this one is based on swapping, BTC->XMR->BTC. After exchanging your funds into XMR the funds will go through automatically generated wallets which are not linked to any exchange making it virtually «impossible» to trace.

An on-chain analysis is not possible because Monero is a privacy-based crypto and it is not possible to track these transactions on the blockchain. All links to the Monero addresses of the exchanges will be broken, as the funds will go through several Monero wallet. Also no correlation can be made with the amount of funds that will be exchanged from Monero to Bitcoin since the funds will be split into random pieces.

After that the funds will finally be exchanged back into BTC with transiting through some wallet and finally arriving at your destination address.
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Have a nice day !

As I have seen your service and have used it to test, I believe you are lying and missleading customers with this breakthrough technology.

What about hiring an audit for your mixing service?

It makes no sense what are you talking.

The reason why this would not make sense is very clear and to prove you wrong, we are committed to hiring an audit for our service as you say.

We are doing our best to improve our service based on people's opinions. In addition we have been working on a new method that we have just released.

We encourage people to use it and give us feedback you can send the lowest amount which is 0.0005 BTC (10$).

Is what your service is trying to provide different from the following scenario:

 - I will create an account in a non KYC CEX/DEX, deposit the bitcoin.
 - Convert Bitcoin to Monero.
 - Send Monero to another platform that does not require KYC, such as KuCoin
 - Convert Monero to Bitcoin.
 - I withdraw bitcoins to my wallet.

Costs will be less than $10.

If so, the platforms may track these currencies because the Monero deposit is suspicious.
In addition, if you receive money from activities such as money laundering, your account may be frozen.

Is there a tutorial for new users? There may be a difference in the mode of operation between the new project and existing platforms. 

Similar to any other bitcoin mixers, enter your receiving BTC address, choose between the fees (slow=>fast), send the amount you wish to mix and thats all.
You'll get a lot of mixing guides on google/youtube. Just gotta search for it.
Btw, being a hero Im not sure why you havent tried or heard of bitcoin mixers (dont know how to use it) yet? Pretty long time in crypto.

Though I have heard about it several times, I have not tried it because the occasion has not arisen, I have mostly been in trading, but I might need it since I will be moving to another continent with stricter regulations in the future.

https://ciphertrace.com/ciphertrace-announces-worlds-first-monero-tracing-capabilities/
https://www.kitco.com/news/2022-10-19/Crypto-is-easily-tracked-and-not-as-anonymous-as-you-think-Michal-Gromek.html
https://www.wired.com/story/bitcoin-seizure-record-doj-crypto-tracing-monero/

so as far I know, some authorities can track XMR. Probably big CEX's as well. I don't know how, but it is traceable

It still makes no sense how the mixing procedure is being done as we can track on blockchain the source of our funds easily using mixero

Hello


Hello, cyphertrace says they can trace transactions but I don't think they have ever been able to prove it in real life. The 3.6 billion dollar case proves it because if you read it correctly the authorities were only able to trace the funds by a stroke of luck.

In fact the FBI and DEA arrested the administrator of Alphabay, and had access to all the private keys of the wallets. What is detailed in the article is that some of the money was sent to an Alphabay account in an attempt to launder it which then makes the connection. But another part was sent to a monero account via an exchange and the account had attempted to pass KYC with fake Russian paper ... so the result is that the exchange automatically blocked the funds. In the end they only stopped the individuals through Alphabay and not through Monero.

Finally last August a Hard Fork further strengthened the privacy of Monero.

We do not send the Monero to a platform but we generate these wallets. You can do this in an automated way for example with the Monero CLI wallet or in other ways that do not depend on any centralized online service. 

Furthermore there is no way to know if you have received Monero that has been used for laundering since there is no AML test for this crypto possible.

Really? No AML risk?

Address: 34WMBPP4GoQKNTVE4GeLLGrkBNTyJmwCgn
Blockchain: bitcoin
Risk: 24.6
Category: Darknet Marketplace 0.8%,Seized funds 0.2%,Gambling 4.3%,Miner 0.4%,Mixing Service 13.5%,Other 8.4%,Payment Processor 3.9%,Sanctions 0.2%,Scam 0.1%,Online Wallet 0.9%,Exchange With Low ML Risk 55.8%,Exchange With Very High ML Risk 9.1%,P2P Exchange With Low ML Risk 0.9%,P2P Exchange With High ML Risk 1.2%
Status: Active

So we go to: 1Coj6kLgtmf8QHsjFkwVGTuhYqunAFP79g - 48 risk, 1F4rN4naRNGEwHnVq48sUhUmwt16uFPpvz - 48 risk, 3L96i8wTKAgE5h53ZtJZS64CimFRhdHc4z - 90 risk - mixer.

Yup. It is what it is

Hello, above we were talking about our Advanced method not the old one. We recommend the use of our second method for those who are more or very concerned about their privacy.

Hello, I have made my transaction paid the highest fee possible and still havent received my btc. I have emailed the email on the site and attached my letter of guarantee, but still have not heard anything.

Hi it’s has been fixed sorry for the inconvenience.

I still have not received my funds

Hello, check the incoming transaction on the blockchain, you will see that it is not confirmed yet. We have contacted you by email with the information in detail. Please use our email and only our email to contact us, this topic is only for reviews, it is not a customer service.

has anybody tried and tested out the "advanced" mode ?

I didn't test their advanced mode because it's waste of money for me to pay 2% fee when I can do the same thing myself manually almost for free.
Other issue for me is that I can't be sure there are no proof or guarantee that Bitcoin I sent won't have any connection with Bitcoin I receive back.

With such fees, I do not expect that it will get a lot of testers.+ no proof of its working mechanism.

I hope [banned mixer] think again about the fees, with an explanation of the site’s working mechanism.
There are many alternatives and therefore [banned mixer] must compete with multiple alts, either with low fees or by proving that their service is more efficient or has a feature that is not available in the rest of the services.

Hello everyone and thank you for your comments. We are lowering the fee to 1.2% temporarily and hope to get some feedback. We will be adding several more percentages for the advanced method in the future.

Concerning a possible connection between the sent funds and the received funds there is none since as detailed previously and on our About page everything is done to obfuscate any link between the sending address and the destination address.

For those who are interested in performing an on-chain analysis you are welcome and we are waiting for your feedback.

Thanks to you and have a nice day!

yeah true. i'm curious to know how this mode works and where the coins come from

temporary then how long will it takes. It is not when people like and come fully that you will stop it. I would prefer you give a time limit on it so it not cut off unaware. I tried checking your site to see the various features in the website but it looks like the site is down or likewise the network from my side. But when entering other places it works well. I wanted to check or tried the mode. 

I am sorry if this issue has been brought up before but today when I decided to visit the site, I realized that it uses Cloudflare for protection against DDoS attacks

https://i.imgur.com/loRamHq.png

Isn't this a big concern, knowing Bitcoin mixers are now one of the top public enemies of Governments and law enforcement authorities?

What will stop Cloudflare from providing all the information about the usage of the size to those trying to put their noses into people's privacy?

Hello, the 1.2% fee was temporary for 1 month. The current fees are final but we do not exclude lowering them from time to time for a limited time. I can also confirm that our site is working well and that there is no downtime.

Concerning the use of cloudflare, we are aware of the risks that this can entail. Nevertheless we are about to change our CDN to ddosguard. This should be done this week.

Please do so as soon as you can. When you promise people privacy for a fee. I think it should be more than fair that you ensure that they actually get the privacy they need and not just selling them hot air.

It doesn't matter if it's clearnet or via onion links. Just try to provide the kind of service you promise your clients  ;)

As we have noted over and over again, it is difficult for the average user to hide themselves from governments such as the US government, especially if the government decides to track u.
even if they move to another CDN, it will not work if you want to hide your identity from the government, so think carefully.

The most important thing is to delete logs and ensure that the data is not sold which is bulit on trust or opensource website.

Hello everyone, we have just updated our coinjoin method. It is now much more efficient and adds a higher level of privacy.

Also you have now the possibility to customize the service fees.

We are waiting for your feedback. Have a nice day!

I used this service to clean 50$ in BTC using ADVANCED MODE to test it and I received the funds almost instantly, THEN I sent 2,350 in BTC and it's been about 7 hours since the BTC transaction was confirmed and I still haven't received my funds.
I've sent an email to their support and haven't received a response.
I'll clear this up when it's resolved.

Do you have proof that you sent money to them? For example letter of guarantee.
When was that money sent and did you make any settings to delay the time of receipt.
[banned mixer] Mixing services are based on trust and I hope they are not trying to scam you out of $2,350 in BTC

Everything has been settled. Have a nice day!

Thank you! I've received the funds.
I'd like to use this as my main swapping service, is it possible to clarify wait times in any sort of way?
Does it delay based off how much you're exchanging at once?
Are the withdrawals manually processed?

Hello, everything is fully automatic, but sometimes there is a lack of liquidity so in these cases we sometimes have to proceed manually.

Concerning the sending time, it depends on the blockchain which is sometimes quite full. But we put the necessary fees to make sure that the transaction is done as fast as possible.

I am still having a lot of issues accessing Mixero clearnet website, it loads non-stop and page is not opening at all, so I am guessing that is somehow related with cloudflare.
On different browser (Firefox based) I can see cloudlfare checkbox and  after clicking check box website loads normally.
Onion version Mixero page works fine for me with Tor browser.

Try to use a VPN sometimes because Cloudflare is a problem for some ASNs. On our side everything seems to work fine.

Hello, we have just successfully migrated to DDoS Guard. We have also migrated our backend to a new IP. It is likely that there are small DNS problems depending on your location. This should be fixed by the end of the day while the dns propagation is taking place.

Have a nice day everyone!

So I tried to use this mixer with the lowest fees. Had to wait for 12 hours. I AML checked the incoming transactions and the result is 83.4% rist. So I find this service absolutely useless piece of crap.

Hello, the delay was due to the mining fee which was particularly high that does not depend on us. Concerning the AML score it has nothing to do with our mixing process and it depends on several factors if your goal is to get a very low AML score get freshly mined bitcoins.

Have a nice day!

That's a nice official answer, as useless as your mixer.
Getting a 84% risk bitcoin from mixer is stupid and dangerous!!! You can do nothing with it. If you send it to any other service (except for another mixer) you will loose your money and get banned.

Hello, as you could see our algorithm works on the basis of coinjoin. This technique does not reduce the AML score every time and it is almost impossible to predict that it will be. The coinjoin is useful to make the origin of your funds difficult to trace since they are mixed with others.

We do not recommend sending these funds directly to a centralized exchange. If your goal is to lower your AML score you can try our advanced method.

You should read more about tainted coins. After you mix your coin with anonymity set with Coinjoin transactions, how you use your outputs will decide your coins are tainted or not tainted.
Bitcoin Q&A: Blacklists, Taint, and Wallet Finger-printing (https://youtu.be/BILcJ3WtdLQ?t=195).

After mixing and get outputs, users can move their bitcoins to their another wallet and repeat it a few rounds. Don't move it with round number and use change address. Exchanges don't trace origin of coins too deep in blockchain history.

In addition, they can use non-KYC exchanges before moving their coins to KYC exchanges.
https://kycnot.me/

I'm checking this thread out because I'm interested in joining the sig campaign you have going and want to see if the project looks legitimate or not....and I just have to tell you that you really need a copy editor, because to anyone who's fluent in English it looks to be a mess.  Not such a mess that things aren't coherent, but what's "24/24"?  And that little bugaboo is in addition to the many grammatical nightmares.  Just sayin'.

And by looking at the comments of some of the members who know what they're talking about when it comes to blockchain machinations, I don't think I'm going to be renting out my sig space to this project.  I'm not against mixers, because I know a lot of bitcoiners value their privacy to an extent that the average Joe doesn't, but I see some of the red flags that have been pointed out and it doesn't inspire confidence.

OK, I'm an idiot when it comes to this shit but where did that data come from?  I'm very curious.  I'm also curious what's going to happen to ML risk across all the used addresses over time, as coins keep circulating.  It seems ridiculous to assign a moral quality to the money (bitcoin) you have; it's like you're tainted because the $20 bill in your pocket was used to buy heroin, a blowjob, or to bet on an illegal cockfight.

Hello we do our best to make our project trustworthy. However we are aware of some mistakes that we may have made in some explanations but now everything has been made clear. We are making improvements to our service every day and we have already made a lot of progress since our launch and we also have a lot of positive feedback from customers of our service. If you have any suggestions for improvement we are always ready to listen.

Have a nice day!

Major update:

- The problem of unexpectedly long delays in the mix has been fixed. The current average delay with a minimum service fee is about 1 hour.

- We have reviewed the entire mixing process and it has been greatly improved which means that the level of confidentiality has also been greatly improved.


Future update:

- We are working to add the ability for users to customize a delay from 0 hours to 168 hours.


If you have any suggestions for improvements, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Good day mixero member. I'm waiting for mixing for 48 hours almost now, since this saturday 29 april 12:44PM to this monday 1 May! and it's 12:01PM already, ofc i'm saying my timezone! You say you have 24/7 hours support, but i've send last 30 hours already 3 emails, which you say contact if there will be any questions and i still dont get any answers. My coins are stuck for 48 hours now and i dont get any answers from you. As you can see i'm already here to get something from you. I cannot write you in PM since i'm newbie, so maybe you will open you conversation with me and i send you all the screenshots and letter of guarantee? Thank you very much!

Hello, we are very reactive by email, are you sure you sent an email to the right address? Thank you.

Happy day Mixero.
It's been barely a week I started promoting your brand and this is the first mixer I have promoted. I decided to visit your thread to know the integrity of the company I chose to promote. Although I treat all mixers same such as I do with casinos. However, there are key attributes that differentiates a company from its competitors, sincerity is one.

Being able to promise migration from cloudfare and accomplished it almost immediately is a sign of trustworthiness.
I'll be active here from henceforth and I'll begin use the service when necessary after this mempool congestion.

Hello an update has been done on our CoinJoin method, some transactions were using too much input which resulted in transaction fees that were too low. The number of input per mix has been reduced.

Good day to all!

Hello, I used this mixer several times I tested their method advanced and coinjoin with the same amount which is the minimum. The coinjoin transaction took about 1 hour with the minimum fee and the advanced transaction about 30 minutes. After analyzing the AML scores, I obtained a score of 30% risk with the coinjoin method and 22% with the advanced method, which seems quite correct to me. I had a small problem today by sending a little more I did not receive the funds after 2 hours. I then contacted the support and they fixed the problem rather quickly and they proposed to me to pose a review here what I accepted with pleasure. To sum up, I think this service is pretty good and I potentially intend to use it again!

UPDATE:

Hello, we've just implemented the delay function as promised. We only have a 24h maximum limit for the moment as we keep user data for 24h maximum as stated in our terms of service. We are working on increasing the delay duration.

Have a nice day!

Thank you very much for your positive review!
Hope to see you here again!

24 hours is too low, to be honest. I have used another mixer (don't want to shill them here) and it was a pleasure that I could keep my fund there for a long time and I can move the fund at any later date. In that way, it's pretty hard to get tracked by someone. You must increase the delay. I don't know how mixero works but with 24 hours only delay, it may get more easier for some party to identify. You can consider having the fund in mixero for an unlimited time so people can use/access them at any later date.

An update is scheduled for tomorrow. The maximum delay should be 168 hours (7 days). Please note that we will keep user data for x hours if the user has selected x hours of delay. Users who select 0 hours will have their data deleted 24 hours after the payment has been created.

Hello everyone, we'd like to clarify a few things about our privacy and data retention policy.

When users send funds on our service their data and session will be kept for a maximum of 24 hours, if a delay is selected the data will be kept for 24 hours in addition to the duration of the delay chosen.

In the event of a problem or non-receipt of funds, they must contact us before the end of the session. Please note that our coinjoin method takes about 1 hour to complete a mix and 45 minutes for our advanced method, so don't wait to contact us if these times have been exceeded. Please also note that contacting us after the session duration will render the letter of guarantee obsolete and therefore the user's funds will be lost.

Session lengths may seem short, but we believe they are necessary to maintain the privacy of each and every one of our users.

All this information is clearly explained in our terms and conditions, as well as a warning message in our letter of guarantee.

Have a nice day!

1. Outages can happen once in a while due to DDoS attacks and other technical issues. What do you do in this case when the service goes offline for 24 hours, with some user orders not yet processed? If by that time the letter of guarantee is obsolete, how will the innocent users prove to own the funds in unfinished orders?

2. A second link to the terms of service could also do well at the footer of the home page of the site.

Hello, even if in the worst case scenario the site is down, the user must have downloaded the letter as soon as the payment was created. As soon as the user sends the funds, the letter should already have been downloaded. We do everything we can to prevent this from happening, in particular by using DDoS-Guard and our own firewall.

If the user has not had time to download the letter and the website is unavailable for several hours, we may help the user in another way than with the letter only if we judge that the situation and the state of the website may have caused the user not to download the letter.

The letter of Guarantee comes first and in the letter they give you has sending address . You can always verify the LOG. One should not send any coin without verifying the signed message of LOG.

Do I have to pay the 0.0003 BTC fee for advanced mode too?

Hello, the fee of 0.0003 BTC is only for the coinjoin method. The advanced fees are only service fees but also mining fees which are quite minimal.

Thanks for the reply.
What are the advantages of coinjoin method over advanced method?
I feel that the anonymity is inferior to advanced method, although the fee is higher than advance mode.
What are the advantages of using coinjoin method?

Hello, additional costs (0.0003 BTC) are deducted when using coinjoin. But on the other hand, the minimum service fees are quite low compared to the minimum advanced service fees, which makes all the difference on large sums.

We recommend that users who are very concerned about their privacy use our advanced method, which is much more anonymous than coinjoin. The principle of this method is to use monero as an intermediary to prevent any on-chain analysis.

Coinjoin, on the other hand, allows several users to combine their transactions into a single transaction, making it difficult to determine the correspondence between inputs and outputs.

Hello, I'm faced with a problem that I can't understand how long it takes to receive a transfer, I've been waiting for more than six hours, I chose the advanced method.
I tried to contact the support service by email which is listed on the website [banned mixer]@protonmail.com.

The email tracker shows that the message has already been reviewed, but no one has been answering me for a long time.
The blockchain shows that the transfer was made to the specified wallet, but nothing else happens.

I can't find any explanation.

Hello, we have replied to your email. We are experiencing a liquidity problem for our advanced method, we do not have an exact timeframe for when the problem will be resolved. It should be solved in a few hours. We are currently working to solve it as soon as possible.

If you already have a problem with liquidity than you should clearly state that on your website and not wait for people to discover this themselves, especially since this is supposed to be ''advanced'' mixing method :P
I don't see any messages showing this and same thing would happen to me now if I proceed with advanced mixing now.
Fair thing in this situation would be to either disable it temporary, or at least warn people they will have to wait longer to receive their coins.

Hello, this is the first time we've had this problem, which was resolved fairly quickly. Everything is now operational. This shouldn't happen again, but if there are any problems with our advanced method an error message will be displayed in the future.

Design update :

We've updated the design of the invoice page and added more information about mixing. Please let us know what you think.

Future updates :

We're currently working on an API implementation so users will be able to use our service more quickly without having to interact with our UI. It will also be possible to use the API for your own service, with the option of configuring your own fee address and fee percentage.

More information about the API is coming soon.

It seems like a very good idea.

Can the two modes Coinjoin and Advanced be implemented through the API? Will it be possible to create a website and implement both modes with the API?


Any estimate of when it will be available? in a few months maybe? :)

Hello, the API will work for both methods. Using our API you could actually create your website that would work with it. We can't give an exact estimate but it should be ready within the next month.

@Mixero, I noticed that your old Onion address, "mixerokn7affrf6cf3xdfitwqdqzoz5mejnlwpl2gjbl6n5zvn4xw3ad.onion," isn't working anymore. What's the story behind this?

I've also noticed that there is a link on the clearnet domain to the new onion address, but it strikes me as a bit irresponsible to switch up onion addresses without notifying the community. After all, users save those addresses in their bookmarks for convenience and to stay safe from phishing attacks. It'd be nice to keep the community in the loop, don't you think?

As per the discussion with them few months ago, they lost the key of the address so the old onion address is no longer in operation. The signature campaign signature has the correct onion address and their ANN also has been updated with the new onion address. You are advised to use onion address either from signature or from their ANN.

I guess they are not much active in the forum to leave every update unfortunately.

OK, thanks for the info! I will also notify LeGaulois, so that he updates his topic: "2023 List of Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.440)"

I know this is an old post but your mixing method via using Monero Bridge sounds good. But there is a thing that I don't understand, if you don't send Monero to a platform, how are you making the exchange? As far as I understand, you have pre-generated Monero wallets that are filled, so btc to Monero exchange doesn't happen, right? But you have to do Monero to Bitcoin exchange on an exchange platform, right? But you say this method doesn't depend on any centralized online serivce, so I don't actually understand how you make a BTC > Monero > BTC exchange.

Hello, let me explain in detail.

We use a decentralized platform to exchange bitcoin into monero. Then the monero is sent to a wallet generated not depending on any centralized platform after that the Monero is exchanged back to bitcoin via this same platform. The fact of using a monero intermediary wallet that doesn't depend on any service ensures greater anonymity and, what's more, monero uses the stealth address principle. Here's a detailed explanation of stealth addresses: https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/stealthaddress.html

We currently have no XMR or BTC pool for the advanced method. Over time, we'll probably integrate a Monero and Bitcoin pool. This means that only one exchange will be made from Monero to Bitcoin. The advantage is that when the user sends funds in BTC, the equivalent amount in Monero will be exchanged directly into Bitcoin. Anonymity would be further strengthened.

I just checked the site to see the different futures and how it works and if possible test the site to mix coins. But before I use the site to mix coins I will like to ask some few questions so that my coins will not lose. The 0.0003 additional services fee, is it different added to the main service fee? And the both wit deducted from the service fee at once? And why the additional 0.0003 mode service fee is added to the main service fee. Is it to make the transaction very fast or are they different?  Because before a user send the coins, he has to set the service fee and delay hours.

And I really like to know the function of 0.0003 to the service fee or are they the same? And the service fee is it deducting from the 0.002 mixing amount or I will add extra amount for the service fee? Because as you said, if the amount is less than 0.002 BTC then it becomes a charitable donation. Buy if the person send 0.002 BTC and from the amount you removed your service fee amount and the left over will not be up to 0.002. will the remaining amount be send to the destination address?

Yes. The fee is 0.7% (slow) to 4.7% (fast) which you can adjust using the fee slider + 0.0003 BTC as the service fee.

Yes.

That is how some mixers are. You pay fee for the company to make profit from the good service they are rendering.

The fee would be deducted from 0.002 BTC, but make sure you do not send any amount less than 0.002 BTC because it would only be seen as a donation.

Hello, what is the Time of return of the XMR bridge advanced mode? thanks

Hello, you should allow at least 3-4 blocks, i.e. about 40 minutes.

Hi, after reading about the method you are using to mix bitcoins, I was wondering, I could use the same method to mix bitcoins using a DEX instead of using your services, right?

Another thing coming to mind, is it possible to mix bitcoin using lightning network/tokens?

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The only reason I could think of myself using a mixer, would be to hide my gambling coins (which I don't have any) from my government, or hiding puzzle prize coins ( when I find one, God willing), or if I was trying to launder my illegitimate money.(which I don't have any)

Other than those 3, I have no reason to use a mixer, but I suppose a lot of gamblers are using  mixers on a daily basis.

A friendly advice though, never let your business to grow as big as chipmixer, it attracts big criminals ( some of them might not really be a criminal, but international laws could consider them as one).
We tend to repeat the mistakes of the past, so we need a reminder every once in a while.😉

The coinjoin method is completely different, but likely you are referring to advanced. If you use coinjoin, it is the normal mixing of sending the mixer bitcoin and the mixer will send you back the bitcoin using different address.

If you use a decentralized exchange, you will have to first convert bitcoin to monero and then convert the monero back to bitcoin. But with https://[banned mixer], it is made easy. All you just have to do is to click on advance, paste your bitcoin address that you want to receive your mixed coin and proceed to pay the address given and wait until you receive your coin after you have downloaded the letter of guarantee.

If you are running your own lightning node or you are using the lightning network on noncustodial wallet like Electrum, that is a form of mixing.

There are many reasons that you can use a mixer. If I have 1 BTC and I want to send 0.002 BTC to a friend, I may first transfer the 0.002 BTC to a mixer and then transfer it to my friend so that my friend will not know that I have 0.998 BTC left. Mixers helps in having privacy.

CoinJoin Pool Update:

Hello everyone!

We have some exciting news! We’ve made a big update to our Coinjoin system. We’ve added a new feature called CoinJoin Pool, which we’ve been working on and testing for a while.

In easy-to-understand terms, this feature combines two big ideas in cryptocurrency mixing: the coinjoin and pool systems.

We’ve created a postmix pool system that acts as a reserve. This means when you make a transaction, you’ll receive coinjoined funds from another user, increasing the privacy of your transactions and lowering the risk of transaction analysis.

Coinjoin already combines several different user inputs with your own, so with CoinJoin Pool you receive your funds from another user's past CoinJoin, preventing any time-based blockchain analysis.

At the moment, the reserve is a bit small (0.5 BTC), but we’re planning to increase it gradually. If you send more funds than what’s available in the postmix reserve, don’t worry; you’ll receive a mix of the reserve and your own coinjoined funds.

By bringing these ideas together, we believe this update significantly improves the privacy of transactions and reduces the chances of analysis attempts being successful. This is a crucial step in strengthening the security and anonymity of our users and ensuring everyone has a smooth and secure experience on our platform.

Advanced mode Update:

Hello everyone, we're pleased to announce that you can now mix ethereum (ETH) with our advanced mode. It works exactly the same as before. Monero is used as a bridge to prevent any onchain analysis attempt.

For more info, please visit our about section on our website.

with Ethereum mixing, you are no longer just a Bitcoin mixer.

In general, according to the FAQ^[1], the advanced method works simply by converting BTC to XMR and back to BTC. If that is the case, why ETH deposit only available when want to mix Ethereum, user can deposit BTC ---> XMR ---> ETH. if it is ETH ---> XMR ---> ETH then tracking the currencies will be easier. we are talking about the account based, the amount of input ETH and output ETH will be the same and discovering the link between the addresses will be easily because advanced method doesn't have delay option.


[1] https://[banned mixer]/faqs

Thank you for your comment. Let's address and clarify your concerns about our Advanced Mode and the integration of ETH into our method.

The primary purpose of the Advanced Mode is to anonymize your transactions through the conversion into XMR. This leverages the intricate workings of the Monero blockchain, particularly its use of stealth addresses. These stealth addresses allow for multiple intermediary hops in XMR before the final conversion back to BTC or ETH.

Furthermore, it's not just a straightforward conversion to XMR. Mixero utilizes its own Monero wallets to oversee the entire process and enhance anonymity.

Regarding the integration of ETH: it follows the same mechanism. We are not merely a currency exchange platform; our core functionality lies in ensuring the anonymity of your transactions, whether in BTC or ETH. Thus, there's no need for us to facilitate direct conversions between ETH and BTC.

Matching input and output amounts becomes challenging due to the fees incurred post-transfer, which ensures that the output amount differs from the input amount. Moreover, even before attempting to correlate these amounts, one would have to navigate through the complexities of the Monero network.

Thank you for your feedback, and we hope this explanation provides a clearer understanding!

You did not understand me. I checked the advanced method. There is no option to add more addresses or delay the transaction. Suppose, for example, that I wanted to mix 0.5555 Bitcoin here, and even though you are using Monero to break the link, what happens is that 0.5555 Bitcoin is sent to an address and suddenly 0.5555 Bitcoin appears (excluding service fees) to another address. Therefore, it is easy to connect the two addresses, even if you use Monero. Adding several addresses just as in the CoinJoin method will solve this problem.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/10/15/RVIKv.png

We understand your questioning, but this scenario cannot happen. If you send your 0.5555 BTC to our address, then the switch to Monero and Mixero's charges will make your transaction anonymous.
The fees will allow you to have an arrival amount different from an entry amount, and XMR will make it impossible to track the transaction.

So, in your scenario, is it risky for one address in the entire blockchain to send 0.5555 BTC and then, without any link, for another address to receive the same amount? If the two addresses can't be linked, then it doesn't matter if an entry in the blockchain corresponds to an exit elsewhere - this is the case absolutely every day.

Let's imagine 1BTC of dirty money sent to a service, then everyone who receives exactly 1BTC should be worried? Well, no, because the addresses are not linked in any way, which is why our service uses Monero, and why we charge a fee after you've sent it.

Thanks for your questions and comments!

Your site looks nice and easy to navigate, 9 out of 10 for the design.

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About ETH mixing, this is the first time I see a service mixing altcoins, if you are serious about your latest updates, you should update the signatures/ advertisements to reflect these new changes.

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Now what if I wanted for more added privacy to send you Bitcoin and receive ETH or XMR? You know just like there is a fee to be paid, I guess I wouldn't mind paying some extra fee just to make sure there is no link between my coins. Of course there will be some issues regarding the exchange rate between the 3 coins, you could use either an average price, or pick a service/exchange as reference for the price calculations.

Ordinarily  we can't simply use decentralized exchanges to do this kind of mixing ourselves, but since you already have the infrastructure in place, it would be a useful addition and a competitive feature.

Mixero, according to the /faqs]FAQs (https://[banned mixer) on the website, the maximum amount that can be sent is 250 BTC, but that's 100 BTC in the image posted in OP. You should edit one of them.


The same question was asked (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422495.msg62999154#msg62999154) by hugeblack and it was answered (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422495.msg62999432#msg62999432). I think you missed that.

Mixero is not an exchange and that's why they are not going to add such feature.

Of course I didn't miss the 4 replies above mine, I was "requesting" for such feature as a potential client, if I want to erase any traces of my coins, And absolutely be sure of the anonymity, I'd rather pay 5% of my balance as fees, then use a DEX again to further create a diversion from my original address, then I would simply sell my coins p2p, when I do that, the buyer wouldn't go the extra mile and find a link back to my source. If one mixer starts this triple mixing scheme, then others will join the competition, that's when chain analysis job would become really hard.

I'm just not convinced if this current method is sufficient enough, however I am sure once I give BTC and receive ETH + XMR there will be no links between me and "Bitcoin".

After thinking carefully, you should trust [banned mixer] that they did not record the data, but in the case of Bitcoin, I can easily check whether there is a link between the Bitcoin address before sending to Mixer and after sending. Also, determining the exchange rate is a problem.

In the case of P2P, you do not mixING because there is no delay in transactions or dividing them into several addresses, and you must also trust DEX/CEX that they will not provide your data to a third party.

Can I make a couple of questions?

- Why would someone prefer using your service over to swapping bitcoin for XMR in a decentralized exchange like Bisq? The only reason I can think of is that you use coinjoin in comparison with Bisq (wherein the seller and buyer don't make it apparent they've mixed their coins). If that's the case though, I can coinjoin myself using Whirlpool or Joinmarket.
- How can someone verify that you've actually used XMR bridge? As far as I can see from your website, I send you bitcoin and I receive bitcoin. I have no manner whatsoever to verify that my bitcoin were acquired by exchanging for XMR.

A brand does it's business with the confidence they earn from their community and loyal users. Although we expect Bitcoin to be trust-less which it is but when you are exchanging your bitcoin with others then you and other user making a trust based deal. For any mixer it will not be impossible to show you their mechanism but if they do and make it public then I think the goal of mixing become useless.

If you need verification then it's better for you not to use a mixer at all.

Of course. Verification and mixer cannot go together.
If at the end of the process, there is no link to the previous coins, why would anyone ask for verification that the XMR bridge was used?

Your answer gave me this thought LOL
Needs verification only when you are given the Letter of Guarantee 😂

Not necessarily. We have developed software to exchange and mix without trusting anyone. Especially in a time when mixers get confiscated or shut down, I'd rather use a service which provides the same value without forfeiting self-custody.

The only property that makes mixers superior is their pricing, but even comparably to DEX, this one seems more expensive.

Just because your coins have no blockchain connection, it doesn't mean blockchain analysis companies have completely missed your trail. When you use XMR, your anonymity set is orders of magnitude larger than that of any mixer.

As far as I know, when you use Monero, addresses and amount of coins used in transaction don't appear on blockchain, your IP doesn't appear in network and your anonymity is at its highest level. How can any blockchain analyses company tell me if my coins have dark past? Logically, when you use Monero's full anonymity, no exchange should be able to judge you.
Is there any flaw where BA companies can catch you when you use Monero stealth address?

Correct, but there are nonetheless small details which can indicate there's a high chance certain coins share the same owner. Let me give you a simple example: You sell 1 BTC for 200 XMR at a no-KYC centralized exchange. Within an hour, you sell the 200 XMR for 1 BTC in another no-KYC centralized exchange. There is clearly no blockchain connection between your bitcoin, but there's a strong implication of two users buying / selling 200 XMR around at the same time, so the two bitcoins may be linked given the CEX operators share that kind of information with third parties.

In decentralized exchanges that's less likely to occur, but it's possible. Time is a parameter which can enhance or ruin someone's privacy, dependently on how you use it.

That didn't age well. No regulated exchange accepts Monero as far as I know, because everyone who wants to be anonymous is guilty.  ::)

None that I'm aware of. The US government has issued bounty for anyone breaking Monero which is yet unclaimed.

That will really create some bond between your BTC and Monero, one definitely shouldn't do that. You should make your transactions look like a maze. One can use multiple coins to not leave any traces but that will cost one up to 5-10% of base money.

As far as I know, Binance accepts Monero deposits and withdrawals. I don't remember what's happening around Coinbase.

Or just sell your XMR in parts, and in different time periods. Even if you own 100 BTC, you can get pretty decent levels of anonymity. In fact, I doubt if you could get any better levels of anonymity elsewhere.

Huh, I was quite impressed that Binance allows you to buy it on their platform. Soever, Binance should be the last place to buy XMR. If you truly want to enjoy its highest levels of anonymity, you should run your own node and buy peer-to-peer from Bisq.

Kucoin, Kraken, Bitfinex, OKX, all accept XMR. You must have misunderstood something because Coinbase doesn't have it on their exchange. They have a little bit more of a conservative approach  (https://decrypt.co/36731/heres-why-coinbase-still-hasnt-listed-monero)
You can see the complete market at https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/#Markets

The API implementation is ready? 

Hello, the API is still under development as we're working on other, more interesting updates at the moment.

API RELEASE :

Hello, we are pleased to announce that we have just released our API. It only supports CoinJoin mode at the moment, but we'll be implementing advanced mode later this week.

API key auto-generation is not yet enabled, so if you're interested in the API, please send an e-mail to [banned mixer]@protonmail.com.

Documentation can be found at this link:
https://api.[banned mixer]/docs

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API RELEASE :

Our Advanced mode has indeed been added to the API, and the documentation has been rewritten with greater detail.

Our API now supports both CoinJoin and Advanced modes.

For more information: https://api.[banned mixer]/docs

Well, the inevitable has happened, all mixers now have 1 month before being banned to operate here.
What you can do :
Think about the suggestion of  exchanging BTC, Monero, ETH, as mixing won't be as much profitable on the darknet. And if all mixers could avoid getting too big, they could all operate here with no problem, but greed is overwhelming.

This service might survive if it completely switches from being called a mixer to an exchanger that converts your BTC to XMR.

Perhaps if they do a complete redesign and rebranding of the service. I read the conditions admin posted. They are a little confusing (No clear boundaries on what is or is not banned), but a former Bitcoin mixer turning into an exchanger when the admin is watching? Let's wait and see how things turn out.

Why not? I don't see a problem with them rebranding and pivoting the business to adapt to the market.  If they make the mixer more of a basic instant exchange and change the name, I don't see why they couldn't keep advertising here like some other services do.

It's interesting idea. Although looking at https://kycnot.me/search?q=&type=exchange&xmr=on&btc=on (https://kycnot.me/search?q=&type=exchange&xmr=on&btc=on) there are already several no-KYC exchange which support both BTC and XMR. In addition, AFAIK one of them currently run signature campaign and another one used to run same thing.

They would have to get rid of the traditional coin mixing feature altogether, and only focus on providing an exchange between bitcoin and monero. That's a completely different business model. It remains to be seen if any of the mixers we know would be interested in doing that to remain a part of Bitcointalk.

But there is another issue. According to my understanding of the future rules, users will not be allowed to advertise the exchange as a way to mix coins, clean the history from their coins, improve their privacy (sad) or something similar. You'll be allowed to advertise and mention the exchange but not for the purposes I mentioned. 

It was a pleasure to take part in spreading the words about this innovative mixer, however I never really suggested mixero to anyone, I think having the signature was enough.
 
Also regarding circumventing the forum ban, I have a few ideas on how to exploit it, one is indirect advertisement, and many more, but exploiting it would mean going against the forum admin's decision, which I believe is what he wants actually, because he is not against using mixers, he just doesn't want the trouble coming after him and forum members. So as long as you find a way around the ban that doesn't put forum and it's members at risk, you will be fine.

Stay safe and don't be greedy.😉
~dig

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Edit: There is an update on mixer bans, you could operate like services such as jambojetler and advertise here, just make sure you'd follow their business model, aka success is in copy pasting the successful business models. 😉

I have a few questions for the OP:

1) Why should I choose your mixer over all others?
2) What is your turnover?

Perhaps the FAQs could partially answer some of your questions, especially regarding pros and cons ----> https://[banned mixer]/faqs

They say the maximum BTC you can mix is 250 BTC. Are you looking with in that range?