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Title: delete Post by: CoinHumper on March 28, 2014, 06:06:40 AM delete
Title: Re: delete Post by: BadBear on March 28, 2014, 06:28:10 AM I've banned quite a few, they just reregister, pay their little fee to bypass the ip ban, and come right back. In theory it works because it increases, but that's dependent on being banned repeatedly, and I got better shit to do than ban the same guy for the same stuff over and over. Particularly when there's hundreds more just like him.
Title: Re: delete Post by: justusranvier on March 28, 2014, 11:28:33 AM Every single "rule" this forum has is openly broken, spam, massive bumping, disruption of threads, you name it. Pretty much this applies to the entire forum.Bitcointalk is almost completely unusable now, as the resources available to the attackers exceed the resources available to the moderators . Title: Re: delete Post by: dogie on March 28, 2014, 11:35:26 AM I've banned quite a few, they just reregister, pay their little fee to bypass the ip ban, and come right back. In theory it works because it increases, but that's dependent on being banned repeatedly, and I got better shit to do than ban the same guy for the same stuff over and over. Particularly when there's hundreds more just like him. Maybe if we had an army of bears... or dogs ;)Title: Re: delete Post by: MiningBuddy on March 28, 2014, 12:11:06 PM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit.
Title: Re: delete Post by: -ck on March 28, 2014, 12:36:05 PM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 Title: Re: delete Post by: tysat on March 28, 2014, 03:26:11 PM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Title: Re: delete Post by: E.exchanger on March 28, 2014, 07:06:20 PM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 couldn't agree more, this will be the finest thing what the alt-coin section deserves to get. The section is getting worst day by day with hundreds of shitcoins announcement being made per day coins which are hardly going to exist for not more then a month. Just clones and the devs have no idea about their own coins. I not its harsh to say but the altcoin section is doing nothing except then eating up the forum space !!! Title: Re: delete Post by: illodin on March 28, 2014, 07:59:59 PM If you don't like it, don't go there.
Title: Re: delete Post by: MiningBuddy on March 28, 2014, 08:02:49 PM If you don't like it, don't go there. That's a little easier said then done when it's constantly overspilling to the other forums. Title: Re: delete Post by: BBmodBB on March 28, 2014, 08:42:51 PM Mods, The Alt Currency section needs to be either shutdown or a crew of hardcore mods like Badbear need to invade the place. It is out of control. Every single "rule" this forum has is openly broken, spam, massive bumping, disruption of threads, you name it. The majority of it are new users with very few post. Please just go through the first three pages and I promise you, that you could probably legitimately ban 25 or more right off the bat. There needs to be an agressive zero tolerance, no warning ass kicking. Personally I would love to see the whole shithole shutdown but since that isn't happening, can we get some moderators in there? agreed there are places for these types of hooligans, shut mm down send mm here? lol >> https://cryptocointalk.com http://investorshub.advfn.com/ ;-) //^BIG LOVE !!!!! Title: Re: delete Post by: Dallas5 on March 28, 2014, 11:06:29 PM Would be nice if all IPO's were banned, i've seen IPO scam after scam. Bitcointalk users have been scammed for 1000's of dollars on this forum and I've seen 0 mods or admins react, this great forum is, unfortunately, also a playground for scammers.
Title: Re: delete Post by: malevolent on March 28, 2014, 11:15:02 PM Would be nice if all IPO's were banned, i've seen IPO scam after scam. Bitcointalk users have been scammed for 1000's of dollars on this forum and I've seen 0 mods or admins react, this great forum is, unfortunately, also a playground for scammers. 1. Millions, not thousands. 2. Caveat emptor et venditor. When in doubt, don't part with your BTC. Title: Re: delete Post by: Lauda on March 29, 2014, 02:31:25 PM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Title: Re: delete Post by: justusranvier on March 29, 2014, 06:13:10 PM I don't know why, but suggestions to delete the alt cryptocurrency never go anywhere.
Maybe a suitable alternative would be to add this forum area to the ignore list of all new account. That way they have to opt in to seeing that section by going to their profile and removing the ignore. Title: Re: delete Post by: nutildah on August 20, 2014, 06:53:52 AM Hey this was a good thread.. What happened to this idea?
Coin collecting consumes my nonwork-life and I weigh 10 lbs more now than I did 4 months ago, right before I got consumed by the crypto bug. I just wonder what would have happened if the ideas in this thread were implemented in a parallel universe somewhere, would I be up or down, or banned there by now? In any case, its weird that the problem was "out of control" then, because I don't know what you'd call it now, short of "a nightmare." I dunno, maybe its natural selection at work and a redistribution of wealth of sorts. I await the implementation of scammer detector algorithms. Don't hold back on declaring which current coins are scams for data collection purposes -- there's hundred for you to sort through. Title: Re: delete Post by: bluefirecorp on August 20, 2014, 08:10:41 AM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Honestly, I think we have enough support to remove it completely. I really need to finish my altcoin forum project to at least send the legit players somewhere, ya know? I'll talk to my partner about jump starting the project... Title: Re: delete Post by: sgk on August 20, 2014, 08:10:44 AM It is just easier to add the altcoin subforum to the 'ignore' list by going into your profile settings.
That way altcoin users get to keep their discussions going and Bitcoin fans don't have to see it anymore. Title: Re: delete Post by: the joint on August 20, 2014, 08:17:23 AM I'd suggest that if this forum does go the route of removing the alt-coin section, there should be an early announcement to allow some time for people to make some decisions. My guess is that removal of these boards would have a very significant impact on the alt-coin markets and therefore will affect the investments of many.
Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 20, 2014, 08:38:01 AM I've banned quite a few, they just reregister, pay their little fee to bypass the ip ban, and come right back. In theory it works because it increases, but that's dependent on being banned repeatedly, and I got better shit to do than ban the same guy for the same stuff over and over. Particularly when there's hundreds more just like him. A quick question for clarification. Do we have the rule of IP ban only for spamming or also for scamming ? Title: Re: delete Post by: nutildah on August 20, 2014, 08:44:32 AM I'd suggest that if this forum does go the route of removing the alt-coin section, there should be an early announcement to allow some time for people to make some decisions. My guess is that removal of these boards would have a very significant impact on the alt-coin markets and therefore will affect the investments of many. Uh oh... Well I guess what I had in mind was more of a surgical removal of the ANN section, or else aggressive moderation in that subsection in general. I mean, that place is kind of its own Wall Street. Minus any sort of rules. It gets far more traffic than the Alt main forum and its evident that the same people are running scams over and over, giving cryptocurrency a bad name in general. There is some truly amazing innovation taking place there as well, but let's face it, most new coin developers are more interested in a payout than contributing to society as what I hope was bitcoin's original intention. So I would kindly ask you to consider not slashing the whole Alternative Cryptocurrencies section in general for the sake of fostering advancement and growth in this budding science but perhaps allocate more resources towards investigating abuses being committed in the ANN subsection. Just a suggestion from an avid fraud investigator. Aloha. Title: Re: delete Post by: jackjack on August 20, 2014, 09:31:35 AM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Honestly, I think we have enough support to remove it completely. I really need to finish my altcoin forum project to at least send the legit players somewhere, ya know? I'll talk to my partner about jump starting the project... +1 nuke that place And add some mods if you really think altcoin threads will pop all over the forum Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 20, 2014, 03:12:46 PM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Honestly, I think we have enough support to remove it completely. I really need to finish my altcoin forum project to at least send the legit players somewhere, ya know? I'll talk to my partner about jump starting the project... +1 nuke that place And add some mods if you really think altcoin threads will pop all over the forum I beg to disagree with all of U. Alt Coin section is the wild west of BitcoinTalk. It adds an extra flavour to it. How many forum u get on the internet where u see a million dollar+ is being raised in front of your eye ? This clearly shows that the people on BitcoinTalk have money and it attracts the advertisers. This is a known space, where SCAM takes place. Just Enter in your own Risk. Its better to leave this place semi-moderated. Statutory Disclaimer: Except for Bitcoin, I only hold some Stellar and have an interest in holding some Ether too. Title: Re: delete Post by: BBmodBB on August 20, 2014, 04:19:22 PM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Honestly, I think we have enough support to remove it completely. I really need to finish my altcoin forum project to at least send the legit players somewhere, ya know? I'll talk to my partner about jump starting the project... +1 nuke that place And add some mods if you really think altcoin threads will pop all over the forum I beg to disagree with all of U. Alt Coin section is the wild west of BitcoinTalk. It adds an extra flavour to it. How many forum u get on the internet where u see a million dollar+ is being raised in front of your eye ? This clearly shows that the people on BitcoinTalk have money and it attracts the advertisers. This is a known space, where SCAM takes place. Just Enter in your own Risk. Its better to leave this place semi-moderated. Statutory Disclaimer: Except for Bitcoin, I only hold some Stellar and have an interest in holding some Ether too. funny stellar and ether are not even minable coins....!!! ::) Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 21, 2014, 07:52:04 AM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Honestly, I think we have enough support to remove it completely. I really need to finish my altcoin forum project to at least send the legit players somewhere, ya know? I'll talk to my partner about jump starting the project... +1 nuke that place And add some mods if you really think altcoin threads will pop all over the forum I beg to disagree with all of U. Alt Coin section is the wild west of BitcoinTalk. It adds an extra flavour to it. How many forum u get on the internet where u see a million dollar+ is being raised in front of your eye ? This clearly shows that the people on BitcoinTalk have money and it attracts the advertisers. This is a known space, where SCAM takes place. Just Enter in your own Risk. Its better to leave this place semi-moderated. Statutory Disclaimer: Except for Bitcoin, I only hold some Stellar and have an interest in holding some Ether too. funny stellar and ether are not even minable coins....!!! ::) I'm not a miner. So minability is not a criteria for me. I look for availability & usability. - Stellar was available for free and now getting scarce. - Ether pitches a great usability idea. But I wonder whether they'll be able to materialize that idea. Title: Re: delete Post by: jackjack on August 21, 2014, 08:14:20 AM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Honestly, I think we have enough support to remove it completely. I really need to finish my altcoin forum project to at least send the legit players somewhere, ya know? I'll talk to my partner about jump starting the project... +1 nuke that place And add some mods if you really think altcoin threads will pop all over the forum I beg to disagree with all of U. Alt Coin section is the wild west of BitcoinTalk. It adds an extra flavour to it. How many forum u get on the internet where u see a million dollar+ is being raised in front of your eye ? This clearly shows that the people on BitcoinTalk have money and it attracts the advertisers. This is a known space, where SCAM takes place. Just Enter in your own Risk. Its better to leave this place semi-moderated. Statutory Disclaimer: Except for Bitcoin, I only hold some Stellar and have an interest in holding some Ether too. So as long as a subject is "wild west", adds extra flavor, brings millions+ dollars users and brings advertisers then it should have a sub-forum in bitcointalk? Great, I can't wait for the weapons and drugs subforums Title: Re: delete Post by: -ck on August 21, 2014, 09:56:01 AM So as long as a subject is "wild west", adds extra flavor, brings millions+ dollars users and brings advertisers then it should have a sub-forum in bitcointalk? Indeed, the gun-running, drug smuggling, slave trading, terrorist arms, paedophile forums of choice!Great, I can't wait for the weapons and drugs subforums Title: Re: delete Post by: justusranvier on August 21, 2014, 01:10:40 PM Indeed, the gun-running, drug smuggling, slave trading, terrorist arms, paedophile forums of choice! That subforum already exists - it's called "Legal".It's dedicated to the most successful group of gun-running (http://"http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/01/14/was-operation-fast-and-furious-really-part-of-a-secret-deal-between-the-dea-and-mexicos-sinaloa-drug-cartel/"), drug smuggling (http://"http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/12247-cia-manages-drug-trade-mexican-official-says"), slave trading (http://"http://www.salon.com/2014/04/18/exclusive_prison_inmates_to_strike_in_alabama_declare_they%E2%80%99re_running_a_slave_empire/"), terrorist-arming (http://"http://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5982501/the-us-is-now-bombing-its-own-military-equipment-in-iraq") pedophiles (http://"http://www.groundzeromedia.org/archives/dis/fear/fear.shtml") on the entire planet. Title: Re: delete Post by: iluvpie60 on August 21, 2014, 02:55:34 PM Does it really need a nuke though?
Is it possible all that needs to be done is split the major altcoins into their own section then have the other section be the free for all? What about limiting newbies to a few posts per day in altcoin section or something similar? I thought newbies were only allowed to post in beginner section for the first 2 weeks right? I know that was changed but I don't see how that has helped? I feel like that made things worse everywhere. Maybe if they post in another section they can only do it a few times per day instead of every 6 minutes? Title: Re: delete Post by: dserrano5 on August 21, 2014, 04:36:14 PM Is it possible all that needs to be done is split the major altcoins into their own section then have the other section be the free for all? Who decides what is a "major" altcoin? On what criteria? When is a free for all altcoin deemed to be promoted to the major section? And conversely, when does a major altcoin deserve a demotion to the FFA? +1 on the alt subforum demolition. Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 21, 2014, 04:53:26 PM Just remove the altcoin board altogether. It's nothing but a cesspool of shit. Not the first time that I would have said much the same.+1 I think it's been a waste of space for a long time, and it's definitely grown to be much worse. Honestly, I think we have enough support to remove it completely. I really need to finish my altcoin forum project to at least send the legit players somewhere, ya know? I'll talk to my partner about jump starting the project... +1 nuke that place And add some mods if you really think altcoin threads will pop all over the forum I beg to disagree with all of U. Alt Coin section is the wild west of BitcoinTalk. It adds an extra flavour to it. How many forum u get on the internet where u see a million dollar+ is being raised in front of your eye ? This clearly shows that the people on BitcoinTalk have money and it attracts the advertisers. This is a known space, where SCAM takes place. Just Enter in your own Risk. Its better to leave this place semi-moderated. Statutory Disclaimer: Except for Bitcoin, I only hold some Stellar and have an interest in holding some Ether too. So as long as a subject is "wild west", adds extra flavor, brings millions+ dollars users and brings advertisers then it should have a sub-forum in bitcointalk? Great, I can't wait for the weapons and drugs subforums Weapons & Drugs dont fall under CryptoCurrency. May be they find a sub-section under machine manufacturing and chemical forum respectively. The same reason Black Hat SEO & Negative SEO find sub-section under several SEO forum. Those are the wild west for those categories. For the same reason, a semi-moderated Alternative CryptoCurrency section should be under BitcoinTalk. Title: Re: delete Post by: nutildah on August 21, 2014, 05:05:11 PM I'm now on board for nuking the whole forum.
Way more damage than good coming out of this place in general now, nobody cares, so why not nuke the whole thing? Title: Re: delete Post by: jackjack on August 21, 2014, 05:40:46 PM For the same reason, a semi-moderated Alternative CryptoCurrency section should be under FTFYTitle: Re: delete Post by: Minnlo on August 21, 2014, 11:31:49 PM I agree it needs cleaning up but Nuking it? You should think twice before you make a Decision like that because it will No doubt hurt this Forum and bitcoin itself. All the altcoins end up being traded for BTC and spurs market activity and price with all the sales. If you Nuke the alt forum on the worlds most popular BTC site then you will drive BTC prices lower and lose tons of people. look at these stats. Total Members: 353430 Total Posts: 8437026 <---------TOTAL posts Total Topics: 341144 Total Categories: 5 Users Online: 3474 Most Online: 7150 - April 10, 2013, 06:12:15 PM Online Today: 0 Total page views: 1320869703 Announcements (Altcoins) 1785903 <-----Altcoins posts account for over 1/4 portion of the total posts in this forum Alternate cryptocurrencies 710414 <------- here too Beginners & Help 481596 Speculation 452211 Bitcoin Discussion 417747 Hardware 318664 Off-topic 246815 Securities 189222 Gambling 161034 Mining (Altcoins) 137427 How many users do you think would drop from this site if you Nuke that area? Think about your investments think about your BTC value. I think if you nuke it the BTC price drops over a $100 in the first week. Like it or not it would hurt everyone. I say clean it up but leave it. Nuking the whole altcoin section will lower than number of posts and number of active members here, but why will the bitcoin price drop by 20%? ??? Title: Re: delete Post by: Swordsoffreedom on August 21, 2014, 11:55:34 PM Nuking the whole altcoin section will lower than number of posts and number of active members here, but why will the bitcoin price drop by 20%? ??? It might kill a few interested users in Bitcoin who also have an interest in altcoins Also some in the community could read it as a form of censorship that was similar to when Bitcoin was new and was being ignored by other boards, and the topic couldn't even be discussed in hacker/overclocking forums. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ftioc/after_banning_bitcoin_discussion_for_a_long_time/ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227288.0 http://www.overclock.net/t/1398181/welcome-to-the-distributed-computing-section That said the section does need more moderators and cleanups. Title: Re: delete Post by: jackjack on August 21, 2014, 11:58:33 PM Nuking the whole altcoin section will lower than number of posts and number of active members here, but why will the bitcoin price drop by 20%? ??? It might kill a few interested users in Bitcoin who also have an interest in altcoins Also the forum could read it as a form of censorship that was similar to when Bitcoin was new and was being ignored by other boards and the topics wouldn't even be discussed such as hacker/overclocking forums. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227288.0 http://www.overclock.net/t/1398181/welcome-to-the-distributed-computing-section That said the section does need more moderators and cleanups. I don't think killing the interest of people only interested in profit through altcoins would be bad for Bitcoin... (The goal of Bitcoin is not being worth $1000000000...) Title: Re: delete Post by: Swordsoffreedom on August 22, 2014, 12:00:10 AM I don't think killing the interest of people only interested in profit through altcoins would be bad for Bitcoin... I'm with you on that I was talking about nuking the whole section and then banning all altcoin related discussion It still's needs a place for people to talk about it but with more effective cleaning and moderation from users who want to touch that board. Title: Re: delete Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2014, 12:27:41 AM Here is a perfect example. Go to the Altcoin section right now.
There is a guy who made 4 threads about Monero being a scam, he and a few others are chatting up them with pure nonsense. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751124.msg8477661#msg8477661 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8477693#msg8477693 Don't get me wrong. I'm not an active Monero supporter or anything. This is just one of the reasons why the cleanup and banning should be very aggressive. I don't even want to report such reports because of 2 reasons: 1) nobody will attend my report; 2) will probably be rejected, but the moderator is too soft. Title: Re: delete Post by: dserrano5 on August 22, 2014, 06:24:27 AM I agree it needs cleaning up but Nuking it? You should think twice before you make a Decision like that because it will No doubt hurt this Forum and bitcoin itself. All the altcoins end up being traded for BTC and spurs market activity and price with all the sales. If you Nuke the alt forum on the worlds most popular BTC site then you will drive BTC prices lower and lose tons of people. Yeah that's because if altcoin sections are removed from bitcointalk.org, there is nowhere else in the internet where the altcoin discussion can take place, right? Title: Re: delete Post by: valvalis on August 22, 2014, 06:28:50 AM Yeah, we need some new reguler for altcoin too.
There are so many alt coin and a lot of them is scam. Title: Re: delete Post by: jackjack on August 22, 2014, 07:00:19 AM I don't think killing the interest of people only interested in profit through altcoins would be bad for Bitcoin... I'm with you on that I was talking about nuking the whole section and then banning all altcoin related discussion It still's needs a place for people to talk about it but with more effective cleaning and moderation from users who want to touch that board. To be honest I don't see what kind of threads should be kept though. Every altcoin-related thread on bitcointalk is either "BUY XCOIN IT'S THE BITCOIN KILLER", "SELL YCOIN, IT'S A SCAM!!! 1!11", or "[ANN] ZCOIN: THE FUTURE OF CRYPTOCYBERCURRENCIES" But yeah keeping a highly moderated altcoin subforum would prevent people from posting altcoin thread all over bitcointalk Edit: I just saw that there's no mod anymore on the altcoin subforum? Am I right seeing right? If so, why? Title: Re: delete Post by: hilariousandco on August 22, 2014, 07:57:13 AM Here is a perfect example. Go to the Altcoin section right now. There is a guy who made 4 threads about Monero being a scam, he and a few others are chatting up them with pure nonsense. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751124.msg8477661#msg8477661 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8477693#msg8477693 Don't get me wrong. I'm not an active Monero supporter or anything. This is just one of the reasons why the cleanup and banning should be very aggressive. I don't even want to report such reports because of 2 reasons: 1) nobody will attend my report; 2) will probably be rejected, but the moderator is too soft. I'm not sure what you mean by rejected but the least that will happen to it is it'll get 'ignored' by a few mods, but I handle reports when they come in from the alt section but obviously can only handle reports against newbies currently so can't vouch for what will happen to the others. As much as I don't care for that section I don't think we should get rid of it, but a few dedicated mods should probably be added to help keep order. Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 22, 2014, 08:19:16 AM I agree it needs cleaning up but Nuking it? You should think twice before you make a Decision like that because it will No doubt hurt this Forum and bitcoin itself. All the altcoins end up being traded for BTC and spurs market activity and price with all the sales. If you Nuke the alt forum on the worlds most popular BTC site then you will drive BTC prices lower and lose tons of people. look at these stats. Total Members: 353430 Total Posts: 8437026 <---------TOTAL posts Total Topics: 341144 Total Categories: 5 Users Online: 3474 Most Online: 7150 - April 10, 2013, 06:12:15 PM Online Today: 0 Total page views: 1320869703 Announcements (Altcoins) 1785903 <-----Altcoins posts account for over 1/4 portion of the total posts in this forum Alternate cryptocurrencies 710414 <------- here too Beginners & Help 481596 Speculation 452211 Bitcoin Discussion 417747 Hardware 318664 Off-topic 246815 Securities 189222 Gambling 161034 Mining (Altcoins) 137427 How many users do you think would drop from this site if you Nuke that area? Think about your investments think about your BTC value. I think if you nuke it the BTC price drops over a $100 in the first week. Like it or not it would hurt everyone. I say clean it up but leave it. Nuking the whole altcoin section will lower than number of posts and number of active members here, but why will the bitcoin price drop by 20%? ??? 2.4 millions posts strongly suggest that people who are interested in bitcoin and want to earn it through Altcoins suggests we leave it alone. Altcoins=BTC profitability in the long run. How many people are rushing to Exchanges to trade cash for BTC when it is still very limited as to where and who accepts it? They Exchange cash for BTC in hopes to buy and sell crap altcoins for a profit not to HODL. I buy and sell crappy Altcoins for profit knowing people will buy higher and i sell for profit. Sorry Sorry to disagree with u. It seems that u have a misconception that Bitcoin price has a big effect of BitcoinTalk. NO. Reverse is true. Bitcoin price jumping results in lots of discussion in BitcoinTalk. And, at a time, when Google venture to Y-combinator are backing Bitcoin businesses, Alt coin section will have negligible effect on Bitcoin price. So Alt coin section does not need to stay for Bitcoin. It is to stay to add spice to BitcoinTalk ;) Title: Re: delete Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2014, 08:20:50 AM I'm not sure what you mean by rejected but the least that will happen to it is it'll get 'ignored' by a few mods, but I handle reports when they come in from the alt section but obviously can only handle reports against newbies currently so can't vouch for what will happen to the others. Invalid or how do you call it?As much as I don't care for that section I don't think we should get rid of it, but a few dedicated mods should probably be added to help keep order. Anyways I've been carefully of what I've been reporting there yet had a 2% decrease in accuracy. It's a shame that one can't see the status of all their reports. Title: Re: delete Post by: hilariousandco on August 22, 2014, 08:29:35 AM You won't get a bad report just for merely reporting an infringing post in the alt coin section unless it is of course an invalid report, but I agree we should be able to see a brief history at least of the status of our reports. It's been suggested a few times and I hope it is included in the new forum.
Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 22, 2014, 10:22:20 AM I'm not sure what you mean by rejected but the least that will happen to it is it'll get 'ignored' by a few mods, but I handle reports when they come in from the alt section but obviously can only handle reports against newbies currently so can't vouch for what will happen to the others. Invalid or how do you call it?As much as I don't care for that section I don't think we should get rid of it, but a few dedicated mods should probably be added to help keep order. Anyways I've been carefully of what I've been reporting there yet had a 2% decrease in accuracy. It's a shame that one can't see the status of all their reports. U might consider to raise your voice here regarding this issue => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740575.0 This is seriously become a trouble for those who report posts and I think the basic that I have asked for is not that difficult. Title: Re: delete Post by: malevolent on August 22, 2014, 12:04:39 PM I'm not sure what you mean by rejected but the least that will happen to it is it'll get 'ignored' by a few mods, but I handle reports when they come in from the alt section but obviously can only handle reports against newbies currently so can't vouch for what will happen to the others. Invalid or how do you call it?As much as I don't care for that section I don't think we should get rid of it, but a few dedicated mods should probably be added to help keep order. Anyways I've been carefully of what I've been reporting there yet had a 2% decrease in accuracy. It's a shame that one can't see the status of all their reports. If it's ignored it's not "invalid" (unless it was marked as "bad"). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751124.msg8477661#msg8477661 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8477693#msg8477693 Trashed the first one, deleted some useless replies in the second one. Title: Re: delete Post by: Muhammed Zakir on August 22, 2014, 12:24:47 PM BCX requested to make him an admin there. I think it would be great if you make him an admin and look how he doing. A decision should be taken very ghastly.
Kindly, MZ Title: Re: delete Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2014, 12:27:44 PM If it's ignored it's not "invalid" (unless it was marked as "bad"). Well I'm assuming some were marked bad as my percentage went down. Thank you for clearing those up.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751124.msg8477661#msg8477661 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8477693#msg8477693 Trashed the first one, deleted some useless replies in the second one. BCX requested to make him an admin there. I think it would be great if you make him an admin and look how he doing. A decision should be taken very ghastly. You mean to make him a moderator? Kindly, MZ Indeed he did, but was denied and sadly Theymos stated that he does not see the need for more moderation over there. Title: Re: delete Post by: Yuki1988 on August 22, 2014, 01:06:06 PM Well I'm assuming some were marked bad as my percentage went down. Thank you for clearing those up. BCX requested to make him an admin there. I think it would be great if you make him an admin and look how he doing. A decision should be taken very ghastly. You mean to make him a moderator? Kindly, MZ Indeed he did, but was denied and sadly Theymos stated that he does not see the need for more moderation over there. Yup theymos doesn't quite agree with the idea that we need more moderation in the altcoin section, or may be he has a better candidate for altcoin mod in his mind. :) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=729834.msg8408630#msg8408630 Quote I tend to trust BitcoinEXpress's intentions, and I think that he would be reasonably impartial, but I'm not convinced that the altcoin section needs more moderation, and I'm not convinced that BitcoinEXpress would be the best possible moderator there in any case. Title: Re: delete Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2014, 01:10:17 PM You won't get a bad report just for merely reporting an infringing post in the alt coin section unless it is of course an invalid report, but I agree we should be able to see a brief history at least of the status of our reports. It's been suggested a few times and I hope it is included in the new forum. It dropped again. That's the problem with the lack of status of the reports. My % went up quite nicely because I was reporting only what I though was 100% against the rules. Now I'm wondering where I am/was wrong. There is no way to improve without actually knowing where I made a mistake, correct?Also what happens when 2 persons report a thread, and report from person A get handled. What happens to the report of person B? Title: Re: delete Post by: BadBear on August 22, 2014, 01:14:48 PM Also what happens when 2 persons report a thread, and report from person A get handled. What happens to the report of person B? Stays pending until marked as handled. A couple of your bad reports were for pool advertising, but they were from several months ago, rule didn't exist then and we aren't going to delete them all. Another was this thread, saying it has nothing to do with altcoins, but payment is in altcoins, so it belongs in alt currency marketplace. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=747343.msg8443956#msg8443956 Title: Re: delete Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2014, 01:17:07 PM Stays pending until marked as handled. Well let's say I report thread X to be moved to forum Z. If it was already moved and my report gets handled later? What does it get marked as?A couple of your bad reports were for pool advertising, but they were from several months ago, rule didn't exist then and we aren't going to delete them all. Another was this thread, saying it has nothing to do with altcoins, but payment is in altcoins, so it belongs in alt currency marketplace. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=747343.msg8443956#msg8443956 Ah that must have been my bad then I didn't check the dates correctly. C2 is an altcoin? Thank you for the feedback. Now push theymos for the interface. ;D When someone makes a post that contains something like ' ;D' only. Is that classified as spam/useless post? I'd rather have a confirmation before reporting more. Title: Re: delete Post by: BadBear on August 22, 2014, 01:28:04 PM Well let's say I report thread X to be moved to forum Z. If it was already moved and my report gets handled later? What does it get marked as? Depends. If you report a thread as "wrong section" or something like that, and it gets moved to the right section by a mod or the OP in between the time a mod checks it out then it may be marked as bad. Reports, and the handling of reports is never going to be 100% perfect, so agonizing over a few percentage points is pointless, there's a fairly large margin for error wrt report percentage for these reasons and others. Quote Ah that must have been my bad then I didn't check the dates correctly. C2 is an altcoin? I didn't know either, googling c2+altcoin answered that. Quote When someone makes a post that contains something like ' ;D' only. Is that classified as spam/useless post? I'd rather have a confirmation before reporting more. Yes, posts like that should be deleted. Title: Re: delete Post by: Lauda on August 22, 2014, 01:31:13 PM When someone makes a post that contains something like ' ;D' only. Is that classified as spam/useless post? I'd rather have a confirmation before reporting more. Yes, posts like that should be deleted. What's the maximum number of characters that fit in it? Okay thank you for the input, just reported one. Title: Re: delete Post by: BadBear on August 22, 2014, 01:32:51 PM When someone makes a post that contains something like ' ;D' only. Is that classified as spam/useless post? I'd rather have a confirmation before reporting more. Yes, posts like that should be deleted. What's the maximum number of characters that fit in it? Okay thank you for the input, just reported one. Reports for posts/threads that are deleted are autohandled. It's only an issue for moved threads (and a minor one at that), and autohandling reports just because a thread is moved is worse. Title: Re: delete Post by: s1lverbox on August 22, 2014, 01:40:33 PM easiest way is just to make swat team of moderators for all coin section and punish any scammer, spammer etc.
my two cents. Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 22, 2014, 02:27:12 PM easiest way is just to make swat team of moderators for all coin section and punish any scammer, spammer etc. my two cents. Scam is not moderated at BitcoinTalk. Users are supposed to use their own instinct & logic to be safe from SCAM. Just yesterday I found a probable SCAM is developing in Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0) section. I dont have much to do except for silently watching people getting scammed. Title: Re: delete Post by: hilariousandco on August 22, 2014, 02:38:24 PM You don't just have to 'silently watch'. You can warm others by voicing your concerns and stating why you think it is or might be a scam etc. You can also leave negative feedback as a warning.
Title: Re: delete Post by: RodeoX on August 22, 2014, 02:58:08 PM How bout a banner that says: "Almost every single thread in this section is part of a scam. You would be considered profoundly stupid to participate in any endeavor here."
You could also do what I do and just block the alt section. Its a ridiculous part of the forums and I don't see why bitcointalk has it. So many newbies get robbed there and then complain about how bitcoin is a scam. Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 22, 2014, 03:17:03 PM You don't just have to 'silently watch'. You can warm others by voicing your concerns and stating why you think it is or might be a scam etc. You can also leave negative feedback as a warning. I have previous experience in trying to bust a probable scam in Alt coin section, while a member with big +ve trust appeared from nowhere and threatened in PM to leave -ve trust because he 'thought' I was Spamming. I have seen before that people are wrongly attributed -ve trust, but the people with +ve do not cover them even after no evidence of SCAM is found. In this scenario, when +ve trust accounts are on sell in a certain section, I feel it is better not to get into an unnecessary controversy as anyone can leave a -ve feedback from a purchased +ve trust account now. Title: Re: delete Post by: Swordsoffreedom on August 23, 2014, 10:06:51 PM You don't just have to 'silently watch'. You can warm others by voicing your concerns and stating why you think it is or might be a scam etc. You can also leave negative feedback as a warning. I have previous experience in trying to bust a probable scam in Alt coin section, while a member with big +ve trust appeared from nowhere and threatened in PM to leave -ve trust because he 'thought' I was Spamming. I have seen before that people are wrongly attributed -ve trust, but the people with +ve do not cover them even after no evidence of SCAM is found. In this scenario, when +ve trust accounts are on sell in a certain section, I feel it is better not to get into an unnecessary controversy as anyone can leave a -ve feedback from a purchased +ve trust account now. Trust should be for warning people about possible scams or on trades I guess it's a bit different from shilling though. The initial definition of trust is if a user trusts a certain user or entity with some responsibility aka a trade moderating a section of the forum etc. But that does seem like a mute button but it likely depends on how often you complain about something being a scam. Title: Re: delete Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on August 24, 2014, 12:58:21 AM I agree it needs cleaning up but Nuking it? You should think twice before you make a Decision like that because it will No doubt hurt this Forum and bitcoin itself. All the altcoins end up being traded for BTC and spurs market activity and price with all the sales. If you Nuke the alt forum on the worlds most popular BTC site then you will drive BTC prices lower and lose tons of people. look at these stats. Total Members: 353430 Total Posts: 8437026 <---------TOTAL posts Total Topics: 341144 Total Categories: 5 Users Online: 3474 Most Online: 7150 - April 10, 2013, 06:12:15 PM Online Today: 0 Total page views: 1320869703 Announcements (Altcoins) 1785903 <-----Altcoins posts account for over 1/4 portion of the total posts in this forum Alternate cryptocurrencies 710414 <------- here too Beginners & Help 481596 Speculation 452211 Bitcoin Discussion 417747 Hardware 318664 Off-topic 246815 Securities 189222 Gambling 161034 Mining (Altcoins) 137427 How many users do you think would drop from this site if you Nuke that area? Think about your investments think about your BTC value. I think if you nuke it the BTC price drops over a $100 in the first week. Like it or not it would hurt everyone. I say clean it up but leave it. Nuking the altcoin section will have an positive effect on the value of altcoins. It may have a severe drop in the value of certain smaller altcoins, but these funds will flow into BTC, increasing the value of BTC. Activity =/= effect on price of another currency. Please nuke the altcoin section. Title: Re: delete Post by: lyth0s on August 24, 2014, 06:38:58 AM If you remove the altcoin section the spammers will probably just move into other subforums, do we really want that? I personally have 2 altcoin threads (that I just recently created) and I enjoy knowing that I only have to deal with the altcoin people when I want to (otherwise I can just ignore that subforum)
Title: Re: delete Post by: Lauda on August 24, 2014, 08:02:38 AM If you remove the altcoin section the spammers will probably just move into other subforums, do we really want that? I personally have 2 altcoin threads (that I just recently created) and I enjoy knowing that I only have to deal with the altcoin people when I want to (otherwise I can just ignore that subforum) Actually you're wrong on this one. Even if they do move to other sections, which are much more regulated there would be a ton of bans handed out and all sorted.The problem doesn't lie in the members, it lies in a section which is not moderated enough. ~Lauda Title: Re: delete Post by: nutildah on August 25, 2014, 06:29:28 AM As anyone can see if you read the responses from Theymos and Badbear about adding mods in the alt section is that they do not believe it is needed despite the many months long call for such and the obvious need for it. The only conclusions that comes to mind is the one stated by them is that they do not really care about the Alt Section at all. I get this and agree with it completely so why not remove it completely? ~BCX~ Hmm... It would appear its because they don't care enough to bother making the effort to remove it completely. No disrespect, they probably have their own reasons and rationale. We just don't know what they are. I do enjoy the libertarian, no-holds barred ethos of moneychanging savagism that has come to define the altworld (and cryptocurrency in general). Its fascinating to watch. Yet the human side of me can't help but feel sorry for all the people who are getting suckered by those claiming to be their best buds. Being a scamdev is a shit, godless job and those people should have more shame. They are ruining the credibility of the entire scene, and their greed will eventually be their own downfall. Hopefully the learning curve for new traders will steepen up, but there seems to be a neverending supply of fresh blood. Or else the same 100 damn people have the memory of goldfishes. One or the other. Title: Re: delete Post by: s1lverbox on August 26, 2014, 12:28:56 PM Once and for all should be cleaned. Even if this means nuke the whole section.
Title: Re: delete Post by: nutildah on August 26, 2014, 11:31:44 PM You really should shut down the entire forum.
Not just the alt section. The entire forum. It has become a complete mockery of Satoshi's vision. Title: Re: delete Post by: BitCoinDream on August 26, 2014, 11:37:51 PM You really should shut down the entire forum. Not just the alt section. The entire forum. It has become a complete mockery of Satoshi's vision. Instead U can stop visiting this forum altogether. That would solve your problem as well as ours :) Title: Re: delete Post by: nutildah on August 26, 2014, 11:45:56 PM You really should shut down the entire forum. Not just the alt section. The entire forum. It has become a complete mockery of Satoshi's vision. Instead U can stop visiting this forum altogether. That would solve your problem as well as ours :) Nothing can solve your problem. Title: Re: delete Post by: SwingBTC on August 27, 2014, 05:31:13 PM If you want free market you have to deal with this. This forum is a product of free market. Enjoy!
Title: Re: delete Post by: Gleb Gamow on August 28, 2014, 09:07:25 PM I've banned quite a few, they just reregister, pay their little fee to bypass the ip ban, and come right back. In theory it works because it increases, but that's dependent on being banned repeatedly, and I got better shit to do than ban the same guy for the same stuff over and over. Particularly when there's hundreds more just like him. Maybe if we had an army of bears... or dogs ;)... or PGs! ;) Title: Re: delete Post by: EFS on August 28, 2014, 10:06:11 PM I've banned quite a few, they just reregister, pay their little fee to bypass the ip ban, and come right back. In theory it works because it increases, but that's dependent on being banned repeatedly, and I got better shit to do than ban the same guy for the same stuff over and over. Particularly when there's hundreds more just like him. Maybe if we had an army of bears... or dogs ;)... or PGs! ;) One PG is enough for this forum. :) |