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Title: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Hydrogen on December 14, 2022, 09:35:23 PM Quote The cost of produce in the U.S. is continuing to rise as crops dwindle from increasing levels of climate change. Vegetable prices in the U.S. are around 40% higher this year and experts are saying climate change has played a prominent role. Bloomberg is reporting that Arizona produces 90% of leafy greens in the U.S. from November through March each year, but crop production has been greatly affected this year by a drought forming from reduced water levels in the Colorado River. The decreasing amount of snow and rain has dwindled in recent years, moving into its 23rd year of drought, causing the Colorado River to shrink, according to research by Nature Climate Change. The U.S. announced it plans to withhold about one-fifth of the water next year that’s given to Arizona’s farmers as climate change and the drought impact the Colorado River. Meanwhile, California is known as the top state in the U.S. for agriculture but has faced severe droughts this year, resulting in $3 billion worth of losses, and after Hurricane Ian and Hurricane Nicole made landfall in Florida, it cost the produce industry nearly $2 billion across the state. The loss in agriculture has prompted a rise in retail prices across the U.S., helping to drive inflation costs to the highest levels in 40 years. “There’s just not enough water to grow everything that we normally grow,” Don Cameron, president of the State Board of Food and Agriculture, told the Times of San Diego. The cost of produce was up by 38.1% in November from the previous month, and the producer price index, which measures what companies are paid for their products, increased by 0.3% in November compared to the previous month, and increased 7.4% from a year ago, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Scientists have warned against climate change for decades, saying increased global temperatures will bring about extreme and unusual weather changes. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported as of October of this year, there have been more than a dozen weather or climate disaster events, resulting in over $1 billion in losses in each instance. “Every year the farmers who feed our nation get smarter and more resilient, but it’s increasingly stressful to adapt to the extreme variability they face,” Erica Kistner-Thomas, with the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Institute of Food and Agriculture, told USA Today. She added, “One year they’ll have the best year ever and then the next year they’ll be hit with a major flooding event or drought.” Paul Mitchell, a professor of agriculture and applied economics at the University of Wisconsin, Madison told the outlet although “crops are more resilient to dry weather than they were 20 years ago,” as the events devastating crops become more frequent, crops won’t be able to adapt quickly enough. “U.S. agricultural productivity is rising, but it’s not becoming more resilient to extremes,” Mitchell said and questioned, “When bad years start to line up, are we doing things to prepare for the unusual as it becomes more usual?” https://gizmodo.com/food-prices-climate-change-inflation-drought-1849883609 .... Its still not too late to get in on agriculture HODL. Quote The cost of produce was up by 38.1% in November from the previous month If it was possible to buy and hold produce, investment holdings could conceivably appreciated in value 38% in roughly 31 days. Unfortunately, produce is a perishable commodity which makes it difficult to hold over the long term. Investors have access to futures contracts can allow them to HODL agriculture sectors if they believe prices will rise. This is the typical approach for wealthier investors. What options do those with less disposable income have? A pack of seeds can cost as low as $5 which could conceivably allow for percentage interest on gains within an entry level setting. If it is possible to grow $50 of food from a $5 pack of seeds, then in theory 10x return on investment becomes possible. Another approach could be for stablecoins pegged to the value of agriculture commodities. For example, if there was a theoretical crypto token called potato coin, which guaranteed it could be exchanged for 5 potatos. Said crypto token could be pegged to the value of potato commodities. This could be useful in various circumstances. Can anyone guess how? Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Hispo on December 15, 2022, 02:15:31 AM This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy. It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: karmamiu on December 15, 2022, 03:37:58 AM This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water). If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy. It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons. This'll be a large scale project that every country should be in. Polution is already seeping in each corner of this planet, and I could say based on my experience here in my country that crops are very hard to grow unlike before. It could only be said that agriculture is on a huge crisis right now, we even have several plots of land cultivated before for mud pond but it all dried up. Lots of farmers here in my country now opted to working and adapting to tech society because of this. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Darker45 on December 15, 2022, 04:05:45 AM I'm not a fan of issuing a coin out of everything. I think the time for tokenization has already passed. The year 2017 was the year when everything was tokenized, from banana to taxi, to tickets, to freelancing, to songs, to Trump and Beiber, to boobs, to Jesus, and everything else under and beyond the sun. And, yes, there's already POTATO and POTATOZ and, of course, Potcoin, and anything you can think of.
But I agree there's indeed money in HODLing agricultural produce. If only they're not perishable. But thanks God they're perishable. This HODLing is basically hoarding and it might really be bad. As a matter of fact, despite being perishable, there are issues arising every now and then here in my country of hoarding agricultural products to manipulate the supply and, therefore, the price. Right now, in fact, red onions is getting very expensive that day-to-day dishes of ordinary people don't use them anymore. I'm afraid many are sacrificing how their food tastes just to save a good deal. Accordingly, one of the reasons for this are syndicates hoarding this specific agricultural product. So perhaps instead of making profit out of this, why don't governments just address this problem? A senator here, who is also the chairperson of the senate committee on agriculture, just brush the issue off by saying she can live without onions. I mean, is that it? Is that how the soaring prices of agricultural products are addressed? Why not programs and all kinds of initiatives? Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Moneyprism on December 15, 2022, 04:20:32 AM Vegetable prices in the U.S. are around 40% higher this year and experts are saying climate change has played a prominent role. Bloomberg is reporting that Arizona produces 90% of leafy greens in the U.S. from November through March each year, but crop production has been greatly affected this year by a drought forming from reduced water levels in the Colorado River. this is the reason why technology plays such an important role in overcoming crop failures like this .. with technology we can manipulate the weather and grow crops without worrying about crop failure or pest attacks .. even though developing this kind of technology is quite expensive, but in the long run it will really worth it Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: franky1 on December 15, 2022, 04:43:14 AM though rainfall is low.. what you are also finding is the stupid politics of the water authority that gives out water "quota's" to counties, which the water authorities has for years been pretending more water exists than actually available to ensure california gets a nice amount of quota for water that does not exist
however because it awarded quota's to states that then divide it up to counties that then divide those quotas to farmers, where those farmers dont want to lose those quota's rate next year and so they have to fully use up their water amount this year to retain that rate. (it doesnt benefit them to save water) so they plant silly produce like nuts and avocado's that waste more water. just so they can use up their quota to retain their quota rate for the next year.. this leads to more water being sent to upstream counties which then means by the time the river flows down stream there is less water left. 3 months ago. the water authority demanded cuts to the quotas for ONLY arizona and nevada.. meaning good old california get to have as much as they want(quotad to have) this meant that the cut to the quota's left some farmers with less water. in arizona. yet the californian vineyards got to keep making their wine without exclusions https://youtu.be/cp1ST9MxDcY?t=147 in short nevada had to cut back to give more to califorina so that california can keep going, but meant arizona had to cut back as there were obligations that there needed to be some water left south of arizona its funny how they say nevada and arizona are experiencing a drought of the colorado of decades .. yet california only 3 years.. and lets not get started on the fact that nevada, california and arizona are naturally desert states, where by there is a stupid over population of people on land that meant to be uninhabitable naturally gotta love how the water agencies shuffle quotas around to give favourable amounts to certain locations and unfavourable limits to others OF THE SAME RIVER, and then say "blame climate" if they for the last 2 decades actually measured water yields of reservoirs and then done a proper % split of amount per state. they might actually have had a better share and used less over all to keep some of the reservoir water locked in. instead of sending it all to california to grow nuts and avocados its basically 80% bad math of quotas cause and 20% due to less rainfull to cover the bad math up Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Lucius on December 15, 2022, 04:08:40 PM What options do those with less disposable income have? A pack of seeds can cost as low as $5 which could conceivably allow for percentage interest on gains within an entry level setting. If it is possible to grow $50 of food from a $5 pack of seeds, then in theory 10x return on investment becomes possible. How about you go back to one of your countless threads in which you ask yourself this identical question - or show us with your own example how this whole operation, which we can call "from seed to product" works in practice? In the whole thing, you forget how much time, effort and knowledge you need to invest in producing $50 worth of food from $5 seeds - not to mention the costs of fertilizers, crop protection from diseases, water and protection from the sun, hail and wind. Another approach could be for stablecoins pegged to the value of agriculture commodities. For example, if there was a theoretical crypto token called potato coin, which guaranteed it could be exchanged for 5 potatos. Said crypto token could be pegged to the value of potato commodities. This could be useful in various circumstances. Can anyone guess how? Again, I ask you to show with a concrete example the famous tokenization of everything in the world, including tomatoes? These are crazy ideas that lead to nothing but the downfall of anyone who would try something like that - haven't we established that countless times already, should I post links to all the threads in which you present such ideas? Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Hydrogen on December 15, 2022, 06:21:35 PM #1 How about you go back to one of your countless threads in which you ask yourself this identical question - or show us with your own example how this whole operation, which we can call "from seed to product" works in practice? #2 Again, I ask you to show with a concrete example the famous tokenization of everything in the world #1 I have done it. But rather than sell for profit, I wound up eating my produce instead. What would you like to know about it? Do I get credit for predicting the price of agriculture was going up and recommending others invest in the sector? #2 You shouldn't have to ask for information or examples, you should already know the answer. I'll give you one example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5423456.msg61353854#msg61353854 There you see the african nation of ghana choosing to make oil payments in gold rather than its native currency the ceti. Making payments in gold allows it to avoid inefficiencies and losses due to inflation. The same could be said of stablecoins pegged to agriculture. Buying potatos in a stablecoin pegged directly to the commodity would make it possible to circumvent inflation virtually identical to ghana using gold to avoid inflation on their own native currency. A stablecoin pegged to 5 pounds of potatos is the same no matter which direction inflation trends. Which could be useful for protecting the cost of agricultural produce from inflation. However, a stablecoin like this would not be protected from trends in supply. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: el kaka22 on December 16, 2022, 07:01:52 PM And when people talk about climate change, many people think that it's a fud and not a real thing. This is it, the bone dry California, the monsoon rains in Florida, the Chinese weather, the Ukraine war, and all the things in between.
Just because there is a global warming, do not think that it's only about warning, it's about cold being too cold, and hot being too hot that is why they changed it to climate change instead of global warming so people would understand. The prices will soar even more, and weather will be even worse, and drinkable water will be even more hard to find, that is all we can do right now and nothing else. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: DrBeer on December 16, 2022, 07:48:55 PM This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water). If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a large quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy. It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons. The problem of water desalination is one of the most important in today's world. One of the main problems is that most of the desalination technologies consume a lot of energy. So far, there are no highly efficient / high-performance technologies for water purification / desalination, without supplying large capacities. But the light of a solution loomed on the horizon - thermonuclear energy! Just a couple of days ago, very positive information appeared that it was possible to get a controlled, controlled reaction, with 120% of the output energy in relation to the expended. If this technology is transferred to commercial operation, the issue of desalination will be instantly resolved Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: yhiaali3 on December 16, 2022, 08:30:40 PM Another approach could be for stablecoins pegged to the value of agriculture commodities. For example, if there was a theoretical crypto token called potato coin, which guaranteed it could be exchanged for 5 potatos. Said crypto token could be pegged to the value of potato commodities. This could be useful in various circumstances. Can anyone guess how? I don't know what a potato farmer can gain from a cryptocurrency called Potato Coin? In the end, the farmer is interested in converting the value of the potatoes into dollars, so who will determine how much this crypto token is worth? I do not know how things are going there in the United States, but here in my country it is not the farmers who determine the price of potatoes, nor even the government, but the brokers!!! The broker is the one who buys potatoes from the farmer and sells it to the consumer at the price that he determines. He earns much more than the farmer and does not care about the farmer's real production cost and how much he paid for water, fertilizer, workers, and so on. The farmer here only earns a little for all the effort and money he spent on producing potatoes, while the broker gets the biggest profit without any effort!!!! Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Die_empty on December 16, 2022, 10:41:48 PM My country is also experiencing these global challenges, especially in the Lake Chad Basin which has led to bloody conflicts and food crisis. It is the role of the government to ensure that these farmers have access to water because not doing that would cause the scarcity of essential food crops. Drilling of water boreholes in farms could also help in the course of searching for water sources.
Perishables like vegetables are very easy to plant and maintain which makes it a potential garden plants. Creating awareness on the need to plant few vegetables in family gardens might also help reduce the cost of these plants. The rise in population has increased the rate of urbanization in some countries. Which have led to using farmlands for housing projects. Home gardens even in rooftops could be an important practice that can enhance household nutrition and food security. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: dothebeats on December 16, 2022, 10:42:01 PM The US is not the only one experiencing these extreme price rises in vegetables recently. Here in the Philippines, the cost of onions soared over 200% within the last 6 months, and even though crop farming is good since there aren't that much typhoons that devastated the farmlands that produce these things, the gov't can't do something about the price of the produce and have just suggested people to be 'thrifty' in any way they can. Other greens such as cabbage and lettuce have also experienced price increases over the months, although not as harsh as onions and chilis but you can feel it in your pocket. Imagine trying to be healthy and eat healthy, but the prices of green produce which should be a cheap and viable option is now more expensive than chicken, pork, and beef per kilo. ???
Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: franky1 on December 17, 2022, 01:16:28 AM What options do those with less disposable income have? A pack of seeds can cost as low as $5 which could conceivably allow for percentage interest on gains within an entry level setting. If it is possible to grow $50 of food from a $5 pack of seeds, then in theory 10x return on investment becomes possible. its not a 10x on investment that pack of seeds contains say 20 seeds that are viable yes they may produce more then a yield of tomato's that are equivalent to the retail grocery store of $50 of tomato's.. but those 20 tomato plants end up needing a litre of water a day per plant (i too grew tomato plants on my balcony. they do love water) the cost per cubic metre of water and the couple months of maintenance time eats into the $50 value equivalent of retail bought tomato's in short although you yielded more then $50 of retail yield of tomato's. it cost YOU more then $50 of water/maintenance to get that $50 retail yield. which means you were operating at a loss.. though i gotta admit ;grow your own' are a better tasting loss than the taste of the bland retail tomato's Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: og kush420 on December 18, 2022, 10:24:47 PM The US is not the only one experiencing these extreme price rises in vegetables recently. Here in the Philippines, the cost of onions soared over 200% within the last 6 months, and even though crop farming is good since there aren't that much typhoons that devastated the farmlands that produce these things, the gov't can't do something about the price of the produce and have just suggested people to be 'thrifty' in any way they can. Other greens such as cabbage and lettuce have also experienced price increases over the months, although not as harsh as onions and chilis but you can feel it in your pocket. Imagine trying to be healthy and eat healthy, but the prices of green produce which should be a cheap and viable option is now more expensive than chicken, pork, and beef per kilo. ??? That is correct - in our country the prices of vegetables have increased to the extremethe poor community is so upset that for them it is very difficult for them to purchase the vegetables at such high prices. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: pooya87 on December 19, 2022, 09:04:35 AM This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water). Unfortunately that is extremely harmful to the environment and the cost isn't that low either. It destroys the local fish and other sea animals' life (so it also ruins fishing market) and the remainder salt and other impurities has to be disposed usually in the middle of the sea which is costly.Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Baofeng on December 19, 2022, 10:20:53 AM This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water). Unfortunately that is extremely harmful to the environment and the cost isn't that low either. It destroys the local fish and other sea animals' life (so it also ruins fishing market) and the remainder salt and other impurities has to be disposed usually in the middle of the sea which is costly.Yes, number one factor is the cost. Here, even the cost of onions, has exceeded as well and so as other vegetables, I'm from Asia so it's doesn't make sense but then again, due to climate change, (we are in December, and around this time, there should be no rain, but we experience occasion rain pour which is very uncanny at this time of the year). And going back to onions, I remember I have planted a good amount, maybe more than 10 years ago, but that it was a bad timing as the market was over saturated and lost my investment. And thinking now that we have shortage? Time really change for the worst. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Nhazwrath on December 19, 2022, 11:01:50 AM Oh look, Moar fear pron.
Wait until you learn that Only 10,000 years ago we still had giant ice sheets in the north. And the great lakes were pretty close to 1 great lake instead of 5. why? natural climate change. I am still waiting on that extreme weather from the 80's (acid rain)that didn't happen.. Missing Ozone layer...also didn't happen... or the ice free arctic from the 2000s that didn't happen. Or that fact we are all dead from net neutrality...(I know, its not climate related... or is it?) And on and on and on. Facts never once mentioned in articles that deal with Climate change. What is the primary green house gas? And in what proportion? (its H2O BTW at about 65% to 85% total greenhouse gases) varies between deserts and oceans. I can tell you whats its not. It's Not CO2 (under 0.01% BTW) not even close. If its not co2 then, the ideas of man made climate change falls flat very quickly. As a matter of fact it falls in to the realm of children's logic. "This is somehow my fault" and "Oh... whats did I do wrong?" Remember that grant time article about fusion? This is the Same thing. But with climate scientists looking for their continued gravy train of grant money. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: BigBos on December 19, 2022, 11:44:37 AM Vegetable prices in the U.S. are around 40% higher this year and experts are saying climate change has played a prominent role. Bloomberg is reporting that Arizona produces 90% of leafy greens in the U.S. from November through March each year, but crop production has been greatly affected this year by a drought forming from reduced water levels in the Colorado River. this is the reason why technology plays such an important role in overcoming crop failures like this .. with technology we can manipulate the weather and grow crops without worrying about crop failure or pest attacks .. even though developing this kind of technology is quite expensive, but in the long run it will really worth it Maybe artificial rain technology is important to do at certain times such as very dry droughts, but it is not recommended to do it on a long-term scale because it will affect soil fertility and soil pollution. After all, artificial rain usually contains too much salt. Also, when this technology is implemented on a large scale and continuously, it will affect the hydrological cycle which will endanger the water supply in the soil during the dry season. Maybe all of this happened because farmers in California used this technology several years ago so that agricultural land cannot hold water in it so it dries up easily when the dry season arrives. This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water). If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy. Desalination will be the most effective solution and can be used for the long term, apart from using artificial rain technology, apart from that there are other methods such as drilling water wells to a certain depth, but this must be considered carefully, do not drill carelessly into the ground, otherwise there is a ground reset for drilling, it is better not to drill because it can release more harmful substances from the ground. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Hispo on December 19, 2022, 06:54:48 PM This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water). If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy. Desalination will be the most effective solution and can be used for the long term, apart from using artificial rain technology, apart from that there are other methods such as drilling water wells to a certain depth, but this must be considered carefully, do not drill carelessly into the ground, otherwise there is a ground reset for drilling, it is better not to drill because it can release more harmful substances from the ground. What harmful substances you mean, Radon? Also, I do not think drilling for water is the best solution because it cannot be a long time solution for the a constant increase of the demand for fresh water, those wells can dry out and the impact of those empty water reservoirs underground can be dangerous for the structures placed on the surface, entire buildings could start to sink, resulting in millions of dollars in damages. Even though, desalination uses a lot of energy I still believe it is one of the best potential solutions we have. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: sana54210 on December 19, 2022, 08:19:41 PM Maybe artificial rain technology is important to do at certain times such as very dry droughts, but it is not recommended to do it on a long-term scale because it will affect soil fertility and soil pollution. After all, artificial rain usually contains too much salt. I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Lets be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability.Also, when this technology is implemented on a large scale and continuously, it will affect the hydrological cycle which will endanger the water supply in the soil during the dry season. Maybe all of this happened because farmers in California used this technology several years ago so that agricultural land cannot hold water in it so it dries up easily when the dry season arrives. Normally when we are talking about regular farming you would need so much land, but with vertical farming, specially when we are talking about aqua farming, where you do not even use dirt but just water, that looks like it's going to be impossible the be more efficient. That is why it's quite important to realize that it's not a big deal and it's definitely not a situation where things could ever be considered going bad, we have a great future for sure. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Queentoshi on December 20, 2022, 03:55:17 PM Fresh and green vegetables are a very
I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Let's be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability. Vertical Farming, Artificial rain or even desalination are not cheap, they are expensive which means that if vegetables are grown with those methods, the prices will still be high because the farmer will need to add up all the cost to ensure he still makes his profit. Vegetable prices are on the rise, and I am worried for those who will not be able to afford it because vegetables and greens in our diets are essentials. The only way that Vertical Farming and other methods described as solution will work properly to serve everyone at an affordable rate, it means they have to be set up and managed by the government to sell vegetables at a subsidized rate.Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: karabiber on December 20, 2022, 04:47:54 PM There are many factors that affect the increase in the prices of agricultural products and climate change is one of them. Climate change can cause many changes that can have an impact on the production of agricultural products. For example, factors such as heat waves, water availability and soil quality can affect the production of agricultural products. These changes may affect the prices of agricultural products but to what extent and how they will affect it can be difficult to predict. For example, the prices of some agricultural products may decrease or increase due to climate change. For this reason, i think it may be difficult to make a clear judgment about the extent to which the prices of agricultural products will change due to climate change.
Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Fara Chan on December 20, 2022, 06:00:31 PM I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Lets be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability. It will occur naturally, it is important to maintain a source of water that can flow throughout the agricultural land, so that the water supply is sufficient to revive any plant or vegetable, unfortunately the natural water supply begins to decrease due to many factors.Quote Normally when we are talking about regular farming you would need so much land, but with vertical farming, specially when we are talking about aqua farming, where you do not even use dirt but just water, that looks like it's going to be impossible the be more efficient. That is why it's quite important to realize that it's not a big deal and it's definitely not a situation where things could ever be considered going bad, we have a great future for sure. In Japan agriculture no longer uses large areas of land, rice can be planted with relatively small land, vegetables can also be used to be planted in various ways without the need for large areas of land, sophistication in agriculture is enough to help many countries that do not have large areas of land, advanced technology available sometimes not utilized.Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Sithara007 on December 21, 2022, 04:59:20 AM Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output.
Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: dansus021 on December 21, 2022, 05:27:23 AM it is getting worse isn't the inflation rate high crops fail under extreme weather the climate change is real right. I also heard like moneyprism said there is farm that using AI 100% for their crop start from planting till harvesting using Ultraviolet control humidity and so on.
Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Lubang Bawah on December 22, 2022, 09:15:10 AM Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable .
Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Nhazwrath on December 22, 2022, 11:27:11 AM Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output. This is actually incorrect. Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago. So no, we are not in any danger of running out of food or running out of argi space. Any food scarcity we have is close to 100% political problems. and as usual then blame something other then whats actually true. Things are getting BETTER. Not worse. https://www.humanprogress.org/things-are-getting-better/ Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: pooya87 on December 22, 2022, 12:30:13 PM Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago. Things have actually gotten both better an worse :PThings are getting BETTER. Not worse. Obviously technology has helped increase the efficiency and reduce waste so now we are seeing more yields and better products which is the good part. But at the same time a large part of the agriculture industry specially in the West has been genetically manipulating crops to increase production and efficiency that has led to reduced product quality that can even cause cancer! Which is the bad part. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Lucius on December 22, 2022, 04:07:00 PM ~snip~ There is no doubt about that, because technology has undoubtedly changed the way we produce food, but it has also drastically reduced the quality of food due to faster production and higher yields. I watched a documentary about tomatoes and the way their production has changed through the decades, and that the most important thing for the producers is appearance and longevity, while they don't care at all about the nutritional value and harmful ingredients that are in the final product. Consequently, today's industrial tomato has lost almost 50% of its nutritional value that it once had. The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like. This is why it is definitely worth producing your own vegetables, even in small quantities - but only if you can get old and unmodified seeds, which are increasingly difficult to find. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Gyfts on December 22, 2022, 08:18:57 PM Article is suggesting that the crops are dying due to climate change are completely unsubstantiated. Crops die every year in harsh/severe weather. Attributing weather anomalies to climate change is dishonest.
Anyways, if the price of food rises then it's usually warranted that the government provide greater subsidies to the agricultural sector than it already does. Corn and wheat are already subsidized -- if the supply dips severely which would threaten food supplies, then the U.S. government has more than enough resources to increase production. Effects won't be immediate, obviously, but it helps for the future. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on December 22, 2022, 08:42:27 PM I am not surprised at this, this same thing is happening in Nigeria and the situation is much worse here.
food crops like - Yam potatoes Rice Beans , and so on, have increased more than 100 percent in their prices when compared to what their prices were at this time last year, the supposed reason for this is a flood that ravaged some parts of the country during August/September this year which was said to have destroyed a lot of farm crops and even rendered many farmers homeless. Its a great relieve that the year 2022 is coming to an end, this years hasn't been good to not just crypto but also to several economic activities, lets be hopeful and pray that the coming year come with glad tidings. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Quidat on December 22, 2022, 09:59:22 PM Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable . Yes, this would be the primary reason but we dont know if this one is really that real or just making out alibis just to make these supplies really that soaring up in price.If we do talk about climate change then it is really that happening but there are still places which arent really that affected much which there's no point on raising up the value if its not really that truly affected.If these things were real then its not already that surprising where goods and commodities do soar up its value or price over the period of time which its not shocking anymore. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: TimeTeller on December 22, 2022, 09:59:29 PM Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable . Yes, this would be the primary reason but we dont know if this one is really that real or just making out alibis just to make these supplies really that soaring up in price.If we do talk about climate change then it is really that happening but there are still places which arent really that affected much which there's no point on raising up the value if its not really that truly affected. As this is not avoidable, the impact of climate change and all the other factors attached to it, people should think of ways on how to cope up with this situation. Much better if you can tend a small garden and produce your own vegetables. Some are even doing their small hydroponics outside their house. And if you have a lil bit extra of your produce, you can barter it with your neighbors. What I am saying is, if you have your chance of becoming self-sufficient, why not grab it? Find your own little ways of helping yourself, because no one will take care of your needs. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: franky1 on December 23, 2022, 01:02:01 AM current desalination is not cheap and trying to evaporate a pool of water is not quick.. deeper the pool slower the evaporation
EG reservoirs evaporation rate is (even shocking to me) 70-80% evaporation a year (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022169422000993) - i did not think that much was wasted which is only 0.21% a day where as a 1cm thick puddle can be 100% a day but this land space needed to 100% evaporate a day would take up all land in a thermo-dome system however if instead of a puddle/pool/reservoir using solar/sun as heat for cheap but slow thermo-dome evaporation they had mirrors to multiply heat. and also instead of pools, they use sprays to already have sea water as mist thus even more efficiently evaporate it i always though it was crazy to have a pool/puddle dome where it should be a mist dome as for reverse osmosis which relies on pressured water. i thought it was crazy to pump water horizontally then need further pumps for pressure just put the RO filters UNDER the ocean vertically, to use gravity. where the shear weight of the ocean trying to escape down the hole provides the pressure Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: SquallLeonhart on December 23, 2022, 03:32:03 PM Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output. This is actually incorrect. Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago. So no, we are not in any danger of running out of food or running out of argi space. Any food scarcity we have is close to 100% political problems. and as usual then blame something other then whats actually true. Things are getting BETTER. Not worse. https://www.humanprogress.org/things-are-getting-better/ Not only the food prices are huge, and I mean really huge, but it is also true that they need trucks to come pick them up and take it to grocery stores, which means gas, and that is higher as well. So all in all it is not dong better, the % of my salary I spend on food doubled in the past 2-3 years, pandemic played a role, but it has not recovered so far. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: DrBeer on December 24, 2022, 10:40:54 AM Absolutely expected process in the current environment.
Problems: - world crisis - terrorist war against Ukraine and economic war against the EU - a sharp drop in grain supplies from the largest suppliers - Ukraine and the Russian Federation - risks of major migration processes - Reinsurance on resources, critical resources In fact, much more food is produced than is really necessary. But there are also nuances: - Inefficient use of food. Where there are a lot of them and they are available, a significant part of the products goes to the trash can. - in countries that suffer from hunger, there is a completely objective problem - the reluctance of the local population to engage in this difficult work. It is better to wait for humanitarian aid. No offense only! Israel, which does not have a fertile land, grows a huge amount of vegetables and fruits, and provides not only for itself but also for many others. I'm not saying that you can grow juicy fruits in the Sahara, but for example, in the greater territory of the African continent, farming is absolutely possible ... But they don't want to. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Casdinyard on December 24, 2022, 08:13:02 PM This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water). I think the thought has been entertained a few too many times but little to no effort has been made to actualize this. Desalinating into potable water may not just work because of as you said, huge costs to run it, which could in turn cause multiple companies to privatize it and in return, charge more for water. I think the better solution to this is to really bank on efforts to rehabilitate the environment especially areas that could work as freshwater basins. You're hitting two birds with one stone with that too cause it also helps reduce the effects of climate change, especially if done on a large scale. If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy. It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: og kush420 on December 25, 2022, 09:49:59 AM This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water). I think the thought has been entertained a few too many times but little to no effort has been made to actualize this. Desalinating into potable water may not just work because of as you said, huge costs to run it, which could in turn cause multiple companies to privatize it and in return, charge more for water. I think the better solution to this is to really bank on efforts to rehabilitate the environment especially areas that could work as freshwater basins. You're hitting two birds with one stone with that too cause it also helps reduce the effects of climate change, especially if done on a large scale. If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy. It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons. Earlier there was COVID - then war and Now these extreme weather condition. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Nhazwrath on December 26, 2022, 02:20:06 AM Peoples memory's are too short.
Similar weather in the 70's Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: pooya87 on December 26, 2022, 04:38:27 AM The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like. Speaking of tastes I have forgotten how pears taste like :P. I don't know what they did to pear trees or if it is the same in other countries but they no longer have any taste here. Each year when it's their season I buy them and get disappointed again.Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Mauser on December 26, 2022, 10:17:14 AM What options do those with less disposable income have? A pack of seeds can cost as low as $5 which could conceivably allow for percentage interest on gains within an entry level setting. If it is possible to grow $50 of food from a $5 pack of seeds, then in theory 10x return on investment becomes possible. Sounds like a good plan but you are forgetting a few factors. First of all, you need land to grow the vegetables. If you have a spare garden with enough space to start farming its great, but most people live in big cities with apartments. There is the chance to grow some herbs on the balcony, but that is pretty much it. There is the chance to rent a small piece of land at the outskirts of the big cities, but they are expensive and there is a lot of demand for them. Another factor to consider is water prices, as in most regions of the world vegetables need a lot of water to grow. Another thing could be protection against storms or frost. I think growing vegetables on a larger scale efficiently is quite a hard job and will require some knowledge before getting into it. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Jatiluhung on December 26, 2022, 11:01:28 AM It seems that the increase in the price of vegetables, fruits and agricultural staples has occurred in many countries. because recently in the country where I live now there has been a price hike in rice and several other types of fruit. almost up about 15-25% in this month alone. And it seems the farmers here are cheering because they can sell their agricultural products at a satisfactory price. But a few months ago the farmers here did have a difficult time. my friend who is a farmer even suffered losses in the previous season due to falling vegetable prices while fertilizer prices rose. But this season my friend has a very extraordinary advantage because he can sell at a high price. Maybe someday I will also go into agriculture. because I have had a high interest for a long time. but what is my focus now is to buy more land.
Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Lucius on December 26, 2022, 02:09:11 PM The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like. Speaking of tastes I have forgotten how pears taste like :P. I don't know what they did to pear trees or if it is the same in other countries but they no longer have any taste here. Each year when it's their season I buy them and get disappointed again.It is possible that it is a variety designed to be pleasing to the eye and long-lasting, but this is not something that we can notice exclusively on pears, everything, let's call it "modern fruits and vegetables" is practically tasteless or barely reminiscent of what we eat. I still manage to get pears that taste right, but that can only be found at green markets from people who produce them in small quantities without using any harmful ingredients. As I already wrote, you and I still remember the real tastes, but today there are already hundreds of millions of people in the world for whom such a thing is not important at all, and unfortunately that number will only increase. Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: RealMalatesta on December 27, 2022, 05:25:02 AM Sounds like a good plan but you are forgetting a few factors. First of all, you need land to grow the vegetables. If you have a spare garden with enough space to start farming its great, but most people live in big cities with apartments. There is the chance to grow some herbs on the balcony, but that is pretty much it. There is the chance to rent a small piece of land at the outskirts of the big cities, but they are expensive and there is a lot of demand for them. Another factor to consider is water prices, as in most regions of the world vegetables need a lot of water to grow. Another thing could be protection against storms or frost. I think growing vegetables on a larger scale efficiently is quite a hard job and will require some knowledge before getting into it. You are talking about just a single house. But if you consider how many homes and gardens there are in the world for individuals, if we ALL start to grow our own crops, and I mean ALL, like everyone has a fridge, everyone has a bed, everyone has a couch, and now everyone grows their own crops, how little or big depends on the size you have, some have huge gardens, some can do it on pottery, but everyone has a tiny amount at least. That means the whole population combined would make a lot of crops combined. That would be as much as a lot of farmers, even if not all of them equal. At least would be enough to drop the prices a lot considering it all, and would be great.Title: Re: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather Post by: Ozero on January 31, 2023, 05:08:39 PM The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like. Speaking of tastes I have forgotten how pears taste like :P. I don't know what they did to pear trees or if it is the same in other countries but they no longer have any taste here. Each year when it's their season I buy them and get disappointed again. |