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December 19, 2022, 08:19:41 PM
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Maybe artificial rain technology is important to do at certain times such as very dry droughts, but it is not recommended to do it on a long-term scale because it will affect soil fertility and soil pollution. After all, artificial rain usually contains too much salt.
Also, when this technology is implemented on a large scale and continuously, it will affect the hydrological cycle which will endanger the water supply in the soil during the dry season.
Maybe all of this happened because farmers in California used this technology several years ago so that agricultural land cannot hold water in it so it dries up easily when the dry season arrives.
I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Lets be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability.

Normally when we are talking about regular farming you would need so much land, but with vertical farming, specially when we are talking about aqua farming, where you do not even use dirt but just water, that looks like it's going to be impossible the be more efficient. That is why it's quite important to realize that it's not a big deal and it's definitely not a situation where things could ever be considered going bad, we have a great future for sure.
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December 20, 2022, 03:55:17 PM
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Fresh and green vegetables are a very
I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Let's be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability.
Vertical Farming, Artificial rain or even desalination are not cheap, they are expensive which means that if vegetables are grown with those methods, the prices will still be high because the farmer will need to add up all the cost to ensure he still makes his profit. Vegetable prices are on the rise, and I am worried for those who will not be able to afford it because vegetables and greens in our diets are essentials. The only way that Vertical Farming and other methods described as solution will work properly to serve everyone at an affordable rate, it means they have to be set up and managed by the government to sell vegetables at a subsidized rate.

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December 20, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
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There are many factors that affect the increase in the prices of agricultural products and climate change is one of them. Climate change can cause many changes that can have an impact on the production of agricultural products. For example, factors such as heat waves, water availability and soil quality can affect the production of agricultural products. These changes may affect the prices of agricultural products but to what extent and how they will affect it can be difficult to predict. For example, the prices of some agricultural products may decrease or increase due to climate change. For this reason, i think it may be difficult to make a clear judgment about the extent to which the prices of agricultural products will change due to climate change.

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December 20, 2022, 06:00:31 PM
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I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Lets be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability.
It will occur naturally, it is important to maintain a source of water that can flow throughout the agricultural land, so that the water supply is sufficient to revive any plant or vegetable, unfortunately the natural water supply begins to decrease due to many factors.

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Normally when we are talking about regular farming you would need so much land, but with vertical farming, specially when we are talking about aqua farming, where you do not even use dirt but just water, that looks like it's going to be impossible the be more efficient. That is why it's quite important to realize that it's not a big deal and it's definitely not a situation where things could ever be considered going bad, we have a great future for sure.
In Japan agriculture no longer uses large areas of land, rice can be planted with relatively small land, vegetables can also be used to be planted in various ways without the need for large areas of land, sophistication in agriculture is enough to help many countries that do not have large areas of land, advanced technology available sometimes not utilized.

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December 21, 2022, 04:59:20 AM
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Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output.

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December 21, 2022, 05:27:23 AM
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it is getting worse isn't the inflation rate high crops fail under extreme weather the climate change is real right. I also heard like moneyprism said there is farm that using AI 100% for their crop start from planting till harvesting using Ultraviolet control humidity and so on.

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Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable .



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December 22, 2022, 11:27:11 AM
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Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output.

This is actually incorrect. 

Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago.   

So no, we are not in any danger of running out of food or running out of argi space. 

Any food scarcity we have is close to 100% political problems.  and as usual then blame something other then whats actually true.


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Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago.   
Things are getting BETTER.  Not worse.   
Things have actually gotten both better an worse Tongue
Obviously technology has helped increase the efficiency and reduce waste so now we are seeing more yields and better products which is the good part. But at the same time a large part of the agriculture industry specially in the West has been genetically manipulating crops to increase production and efficiency that has led to reduced product quality that can even cause cancer! Which is the bad part.

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There is no doubt about that, because technology has undoubtedly changed the way we produce food, but it has also drastically reduced the quality of food due to faster production and higher yields. I watched a documentary about tomatoes and the way their production has changed through the decades, and that the most important thing for the producers is appearance and longevity, while they don't care at all about the nutritional value and harmful ingredients that are in the final product. Consequently, today's industrial tomato has lost almost 50% of its nutritional value that it once had.

The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like. This is why it is definitely worth producing your own vegetables, even in small quantities - but only if you can get old and unmodified seeds, which are increasingly difficult to find.

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December 22, 2022, 08:18:57 PM
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Article is suggesting that the crops are dying due to climate change are completely unsubstantiated. Crops die every year in harsh/severe weather. Attributing weather anomalies to climate change is dishonest.

Anyways, if the price of food rises then it's usually warranted that the government provide greater subsidies to the agricultural sector than it already does. Corn and wheat are already subsidized -- if the supply dips severely which would threaten food supplies, then the U.S. government has more than enough resources to increase production. Effects won't be immediate, obviously, but it helps for the future.
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December 22, 2022, 08:42:27 PM
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I am not surprised at this, this same thing is happening in Nigeria and the situation is much worse here.
food crops like -
Yam
potatoes
Rice
Beans , and so on, have increased more than 100 percent in their prices when compared to what their prices were at this time last year, the supposed reason for this is a flood that ravaged some parts of the country during August/September this year which was said to have destroyed a lot of farm crops and even rendered many farmers homeless.
Its a great relieve that the year 2022 is coming to an end, this years hasn't been good to not just crypto but also to several economic activities, lets be hopeful and pray that the coming year come with glad tidings.

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December 22, 2022, 09:59:22 PM
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Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable .
Yes, this would be the primary reason but we dont know if this one is really that real or just making out alibis just to make these supplies really that soaring up in price.
If we do talk about climate change then it is really that happening but there are still places which arent really that affected much which there's no point on raising up the value
if its not really that truly affected.If these things were real then its not already that surprising where goods and commodities do soar up its value or price
over the period of time which its not shocking anymore.

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Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable .
Yes, this would be the primary reason but we dont know if this one is really that real or just making out alibis just to make these supplies really that soaring up in price.
If we do talk about climate change then it is really that happening but there are still places which arent really that affected much which there's no point on raising up the value
if its not really that truly affected.

As this is not avoidable, the impact of climate change and all the other factors attached to it,
people should think of ways on how to cope up with this situation.
Much better if you can tend a small garden and produce your own vegetables.
Some are even doing their small hydroponics outside their house.
And if you have a lil bit extra of your produce, you can barter it with your neighbors.
What I am saying is, if you have your chance of becoming self-sufficient, why not grab it?
Find your own little ways of helping yourself, because no one will take care of your needs.
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current desalination is not cheap and trying to evaporate a pool of water is not quick.. deeper the pool slower the evaporation
EG reservoirs evaporation rate is (even shocking to me) 70-80% evaporation a year - i did not think that much was wasted

which is only 0.21% a day

where as a 1cm thick puddle can be 100% a day
but this land space needed to 100% evaporate a day would take up all land in a thermo-dome system

however if instead of a puddle/pool/reservoir using solar/sun as heat for cheap but slow thermo-dome evaporation
they had mirrors to multiply heat. and also instead of pools, they use sprays to already have sea water as mist thus even more efficiently evaporate it

i always though it was crazy to have a pool/puddle dome where it should be a mist dome

as for reverse osmosis which relies on pressured water.
i thought it was crazy to pump water horizontally then need further pumps for pressure

just put the RO filters UNDER the ocean vertically, to use gravity. where the shear weight of the ocean trying to escape down the hole provides the pressure

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December 23, 2022, 03:32:03 PM
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Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output.
This is actually incorrect. 

Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago.   

So no, we are not in any danger of running out of food or running out of argi space. 

Any food scarcity we have is close to 100% political problems.  and as usual then blame something other then whats actually true.

Things are getting BETTER.  Not worse.   

https://www.humanprogress.org/things-are-getting-better/
I can't speak on behalf of the global world or any one nation aside from my own. And I can tell you that my own nation does have this problem, I can't say some agriculture huge corporations are not making more with less, maybe they are but the regular farmers in my nation do not produce as much as they used to.

Not only the food prices are huge, and I mean really huge, but it is also true that they need trucks to come pick them up and take it to grocery stores, which means gas, and that is higher as well. So all in all it is not dong better, the % of my salary I spend on food doubled in the past 2-3 years, pandemic played a role, but it has not recovered so far.
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Absolutely expected process in the current environment.
Problems:
- world crisis
- terrorist war against Ukraine and economic war against the EU
- a sharp drop in grain supplies from the largest suppliers - Ukraine and the Russian Federation
- risks of major migration processes
- Reinsurance on resources, critical resources

In fact, much more food is produced than is really necessary. But there are also nuances:
- Inefficient use of food. Where there are a lot of them and they are available, a significant part of the products goes to the trash can.
- in countries that suffer from hunger, there is a completely objective problem - the reluctance of the local population to engage in this difficult work. It is better to wait for humanitarian aid. No offense only! Israel, which does not have a fertile land, grows a huge amount of vegetables and fruits, and provides not only for itself but also for many others. I'm not saying that you can grow juicy fruits in the Sahara, but for example, in the greater territory of the African continent, farming is absolutely possible ... But they don't want to.

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This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.

It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons.
I think the thought has been entertained a few too many times but little to no effort has been made to actualize this. Desalinating into potable water may not just work because of as you said, huge costs to run it, which could in turn cause multiple companies to privatize it and in return, charge more for water. I think the better solution to this is to really bank on efforts to rehabilitate the environment especially areas that could work as freshwater basins. You're hitting two birds with one stone with that too cause it also helps reduce the effects of climate change, especially if done on a large scale.

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December 25, 2022, 09:49:59 AM
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This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.

It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons.
I think the thought has been entertained a few too many times but little to no effort has been made to actualize this. Desalinating into potable water may not just work because of as you said, huge costs to run it, which could in turn cause multiple companies to privatize it and in return, charge more for water. I think the better solution to this is to really bank on efforts to rehabilitate the environment especially areas that could work as freshwater basins. You're hitting two birds with one stone with that too cause it also helps reduce the effects of climate change, especially if done on a large scale.
the recent cold cyclone has brought so much cold to the region. People are stuck in their homes and trying to keep themselves hot.
Earlier there was COVID - then war and Now these extreme weather condition.

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Peoples memory's are too short. 

Similar weather in the 70's
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