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Do you know that some crypto projects are so amazing that you will want to give up your money just to allocate some portion of the max supply but the tokenomics ruined it all?

Some projects have good utilities but their tokenomics is very bad, if you don't know this do try learning the difference between good utility and good tokenomics because it is very important and this will help you on your future crypto investments.

No matter how tempted you are to invest in a project always learn its tokenomics first.

 The economic model behind the token, including how it is generated, distributed, and used within the ecosystem is crucial to be evaluated to understand the potential value of the project, because at this time you evaluate potential price of the project, where you have to ask if  there is a strong demand for the token from users and investors?, How much of the token is in circulation and how much is reserved for future use?
sometimes tokens is not being distributed fairly among the stakeholders(99%), or there is a technical problem about  the technical structure of the token and how it is being implemented on the blockchain, which may be unsecure for investors. So, there is not about just a good utility and Tokenomics, you have to ask too many questions, make researches to improve the chance of successful investment.

And the summary of it is DYOR. I agree that when someone wants to invest, he/she has to make their own understanding first if it's viable to look not just at tokenomics but also at its utility/use case.
That's what a project really means and what it's made, to be used for its purpose where the developers have seen a problem and made it for the solution that it should have.

Project Tokenomic is one of the most important aspect that an investor need to pay close attention to when making an investment decisions on what project token to invest on and this should be done at the first stage of the process, that is why most financial adviser are always suggesting that an investor do their own research (DYOR). Because what make the different between token A vs B is in the token supply distribution, and utilization on a good eco system that will aid to token activities to flourish and gain good tracking in it data that will result in a positive market outcome. But one of the other factors that affect a project's performance is getting listed on the wrong exchange, bad exchange for a good token will result in project destruction even if the token already has a good use case and is a utility token with a large community of supporters. This may not entirely be the fault of the team, but the team is still responsible for choosing the exchange that token should be listed on, I have seen some tokens, which perform well on a good exchange but once their get exposed to the wrong market the token gets drained up

Amazing to lose money also.
Altcoins for me are very risky, especially these new projects that are popping up everywhere. If you are not careful you will lose money.
But if you are a risk taker and you are really well in that field, like doing research and good at identifying quality projects, then it's all good, trust your knowledge.

Overall, be safe, because it's already proven by time, a lot of altcoins already come and go since day 1, after Bitcoin created.

In the end? it is our money so no one will give more importance but us .. those project creator cares nothing about our funds though they pretended to be one.
so DYOR will at least lessen our chances of being scammed or lose .
but like what mostly says , try not to put important money inside and always Have Bitcoin more than any coins you will have.

Yes, no one stops you from whatever you want to do with your money. And the developers only care for the project if they legitimately really care for the project. Otherwise, it's just all about how the project can generate money.
DYOR is important, whether you have high or less capital, it's a matter that one has to remember because you've worked hard for that money and only you can decide on how you're going to spend it properly.

Some crypto projects are doing well and giving their investors amazing returns. But of the many crypto projects, we won't find them easily, and we need the luck to get the right project. Studying the project to find more information is a must before investing, but it also doesn't guarantee we will find the right project. And if so, you don't need to put all your money into the project but only use the money you can afford to take the risk if the project doesn't turn out to be profitable.

Well obviously there's a lot of good projects in crypto.. But mostly didn't last because of some greedy investors that keep dumping too much especially when they already got what they want on the project..

Manipulation and FOMO still the biggest problem in crypto reason some good project cannot recover after the hard fall.. So it's too hard to trust even the projects have good data in the market and very promising because nowadays mostly riding the hypes and looking for another projects to get some benefits.

Indeed true.
Initially, I was eager to invest in APTOS coin, but after seeing their tokenomics I changed my mind.

The issue is. 82% of the supply is staked. And nearly 94k new coins are coming in the market on the daily bases.

I think it would was good if locked tokens were not given any staking rewards.

I participated in some IDOs in the last bull run and found out how important is tokenomics and initial supply.

If the project is legit then the developers and the teams behind it are going to care for it and they will do their best to make the project better. Unique investors can do the same thing as well. They will invest in bigger amounts and they will hold for a longer time because they believe on the technology of the project.

They wanted to be a part of its success but investors that only care for easy money are going to invest smaller amounts and then they are the first one that will sell once the project experience a small pump in the price. This initiative is not wrong if only they will do this on a scam project as scam projects have the same initiative as them.

Only a few developers are really caring about what they do. Because there are project developers that are just hiring their co-teammate and developers of the project.
So, if the main developers or owners of the projects start to abandon the project, they'll also be spared and will just leave the project as if nothing has happened. That's how they move and the saddest part, the investors are mostly affected left with the tokens that they've created with no value.

though all of as are with one target here , and that is to earn money either the developer/team or us who investing in those project.

so better be ready for what to come and never expect too much because greediness is the reason why many of us falls from different outcome that what we are looking.
Trust me mate , you can only count with fingers those legit and almost everyone are here to gather our money.

It all depends on the project i have witness lot of token with much supply and yet do succeed although it's mostly end on pump and dumps token, for instance Dogecoin total supply was so huge to extent people never pay attention to the project less until it was influenced by Elon Musk after he made some announcement about the project.
This was a project that people never seems to care for and was considering to have bad tokemics has turned out to be the best, although people thought i would get to $1 but dump on them due to over hyped.
Investing in altcoin are very risky decision one could take, from my past experience i don't even give room for those shity and shedy projects that come to still your precious funds.

Good utility works only with sustainable tokenimics, without other, other can be pointless. Tokenomics gone wrong can mean several things from incentives for securing the coin being too low and so for exposed to all sort of attacks to becoming too costly to send, too fast inflation without inclusive staking rendering your share worthless quickly. And stuff like that .

Along fundamentals, tokenomics is the main thing to look at in order to estimate any kind of roi.

Need to study not only tokenomics, but also founders, investors, roadmap, listings on exchanges, integration with other projects, community, social networks, and much more. Tokenomics itself gives only part of the information about a project, but does not allow you to fully assess its attractiveness, or vice versa. Therefore, projects should always be approached with a comprehensive assessment and research, rather than relying on a single factor or some scale.

Actually it's kinda easy to avoid bad tokenomic from a project. Just read their whitepaper and find their tokenomic. If the most supply goes to dev or team or advisor > 20%, just avoid to invest on that token. There are much better token which have better tokenomic.

I think when it comes to newcomer altcoins, tokenomics is very important. There are some inflationary altcoins out there, especially like defi coins. In normal situation noone would be interested to buy them because noone wants another currency to gradually lose its price. But yet features of defi coins made them popular and uniswap & pancakeswap are still popular with high cap. Developers should definitely be cautious, and make their token more desirable to buy/use.

actually I don't know deeper about this tokenomics though it has been said once from a  friend ,  maybe this time? I need to understand this deep as i wanted to venture in semi long term trading or short term meaning I wanted to earn in not to be called easy money lol.
thanks for this thread Maybe this time I will be serious about this.

What's even worse is when an investor buys any token that they like and then wouldn't care about utility or tokenomics. And they're only buying because that's what they think is the best token/coin to buy and overheard it somewhere. Maybe from an influencer or YouTube or any social networking site. It may sound funny but that's in real life happening because they all think that it will make sense if they follow those people that are encouraging them to buy. Well, they're good at talking and enticing others to buy the crypto they advertise.

I guess that's how crypto involved from 2017's ICO to the last craze or what's in in 2022. Tokenomics and all that stuff turn's into a bad thing for the project itself. Gone are the days that we just have to look at the Whitepaper and see their roadmap and tells that this project is bad or not.

But since it has evolved so much and they have reinvent the wheel with this crypto projects, it turn out to be negative for the majority of them. And probably this is the reason why some projects die in the bear market because it might be good in the beginning, but it was ruined by their tokenomics.

Before those craze came in, crypto is already there. Maybe what you mean that is how those greedy people started in cryptos because ICOs are so hyped back on 2017, that all of them have the same promise to the investors and that is to became rich in a short period of time. Some of them got successful because we all know how much money those ICOs grabbed from the public.

If the project has a bad tokenomics then there is no way that it will start out great because it will be avoided easily by the investors. They might get some investors but the numbers are only small. Many of those who got scammed, already learned their lesson and they are now wise.

and the clear thoughts ? this is all about Money lol, developer and project owner are only for one thing , and that is for profit lol . so better to still keep your side in safer investments or coins than to those who solely for short process.
actually only few that does have idea about that tokenomics , mostly are just jumping to what crypto influencer says and do.

That's why investing money in successful projects is much safer, although there is no certainty of return in the long term, crypto is still in the general picture to recognize, its nature is still too voluminous and requires in-depth research, so there is a lot of speculation to be generated.

Tokenomics in nature recognizes the characteristics of understanding the supply and demand sides, there are special calculations to determine the required recognition standards, for example for supply and demand issues for a project that is being developed, so that the tendency to choose has been based on research on these two things.

This should be the most important side to review first, because that's where we will make choices about the investment that we will run in a new project.

These projects are traps. I think we need to be very careful with total supply of the token, if it's limited or unlimited, how many tokens are held by whales and their influence on the future of the token. Staking is also a double edge sword for investors: at same time you are earning passive income (usually high percentage), the value of that token is likely to decrease considerably, as more and more supply is dropped on the market without enough demand to keep the prices stable. After all, it's not that profitable, as firstly expected.

That's why Tokenomics is very important for all of us who invested in crypto , the risky this market act must be countered by being knowledgeable and considerate , not just buying coins that has tons of advertising but instead look at the deeper perspective for your money.

2017 was no doubt a year for ICOs without any doubt. Anything launched as ICO during that year got success but following years were not good for ICO. in 2018 we hear new term IEO and then NFTs came in. If you want to invest in such new concepts then you need to be aware of right time of entry and exit, without that you are bound to lose money.

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This is why many got hyped easily, they didn’t even do their own research before investing and when the things didn’t go according to their plan, they will blame those people for forcing them to buy a failed project. I agree with the OP that we might get tempted sometimes to buy a project that we think is good for their future, but upon reviewing their utilities and tokenomics, you will realize that they are not that good and a lot of things that needs to be addressed, by that time you should not invest yet not until they make good changes on that.

I think you are right to some extent that the most important thing in a crypto project is not its services or products, but tokenomics, since it is in it that the entire economy and income of the platform is laid. At the same time, the platform tokens are tied to the services and products of the crypto project, which means that it is the number of issued tokens and their price that ultimately determines the future and success of the crypto project and the crypto assets themselves. So the information about their tokenomics is very important to study.

If they are a legit problem, there should be no problem when it comes to development of the project since they know how to do it properly and they know what kind of services they are going to offer instead of making any hype and just go with the flow without even thinking about innovation. Every investors should know the utility of the project, this is my usual analysis before investing and I agree that most of the new projects are not that good.

Therefore studying and finding out the quality of a project is very important especially for new projects.
Even though a new project can indeed generate large amounts of profit if it is successful, we ourselves do not know how the project will go in the future.
The background of the owner and manager of a project is very important for us to know in order to minimize the occurrence of fraud.
If the manager already has a good reputation, you can be sure that there is little possibility of fraud.

either New or old altcoins still needs tokenomics to be understand  because this will tell how good the projection of the said coin, as we remembered how many failure from our old investments that nowadays we must understand this to happen.
but like what said? the importance of understanding all the area in where we are investing is very important all the time .

Understanding the tokenomics is also very important, if it is old and have a bit weaker tokenomics that is understandable because back when it first came out the papers were not that well and this was one of the best to do it, whereas nowadays there are better tokenomics and yet still could fail. Imagine checking bitcoins paper and thinking if that is good or not, even scam projects have better papers these days so you have to know exactly when a project was created.

I think this matters more on the new ones because of this, because no matter how great you think something could be, new ones will always carry bigger risk of becoming bad or turning out to be a scam for sure.

Every single factor needs to be taken into account when you are thinking about investing in a new coin, and we have the example of the FTX exchange and their token to see how important this can be, the FTX exchange was making a lot of money, had their own token which was appreciated by the community and yet it collapsed in less than a week because their CEO could not manage the exchange properly, so it is not enough to make sure the idea is viable and the developers are solid, if the management of the coin is weak then its collapse is inevitable.

Zcash in one example many early adopters buyer get rekted very badly cause they dont care with tokonemics, people outside called pyramid scheme with bitcoin tokenomics, some projects do notice about this kindna things and doing fair launch but you know there is no such things fair launch if they sneky without any promotion or marketing

What does NFT have to do with this chain? IDO was the next step in the evolution of public sales of tokens to the first investors. Although I can't agree that everything that was launched as an ICO was a success. There was a lot of scam, and many projects immediately after going public on dubious exchanges, immediately fell sharply in value and never rose again. Something similar was observed in 2022.

Tokonomics of the project is the key to success if tokenomics of project is not beneficial then it is very hard for the project to be successful. If Tokonomics is good in offering benefit then large number of individuals desires to make investment in it but if the Tokonomics has no value or the value reduces as the time passes then it represents then eventually it will loss its worth. People prefer investment in project which has limited supply because there worth does not reduces so much. If large number of people sell token then token become in dip and sometime this token rise up so the project survive but it does not go to higher worth again then the tokenomics of that project will become useless.

I haven't been investing for a long time. All the projects appear with an ideal story and when they come to the exchange, the price is miserable. In the end, many are scum, they just make a sale and run away with the money.

I think I've seen a project where tokenomics is almost perfect and yet many of them still have failed. How can you explain that? It only shows that not all lies in the tokenomics but other factors must be considered like taking a look at the team and do a background check for the each of them.

There's also the road map and many more. They won't be included there for no reasons. Projects with limited supply can have a good potential to pump in price and then are projects who have a high number and even unlimited supply. It's surprising how these projects are still relevant up until today while those projects have limited supplies have died already.

Of course, before investing, one must gain detailed knowledge about any coin. Because I will be investing I must have an idea of ​​the token mix. So before investing the sections must get detailed knowledge about the future of various websites and coins and start investing.

Problem here is that, because of too much hype many are ignoring this process and they invest right away just to ride the hype, some succeed on this but many are suffering from instant loss because of being too greedy and aggressive.

If you are going to invest on any project, having your own analysis and understanding about the project is a must, this is for your own sake so better not to skip this part and be a responsible investor.

which begs the question whether the tokenomics are permanent, because I often hear about redominization or changes in the amount of supply and supply in circulation, so I don't think we can fully predict that.

Bad tokenomics doesn't mean the project won't do well in a Bull market, all you need is good research, there are few projects with confusing tokenomics and they still do very well, some new projects later adjust their tokenomics after several complains and some do huge burnings like gala did some months back, you can never predict, so always DYOR.

Good projects don't really do that, it is not a good practice to make changes in the tokenomics once they are announced publicly or that can shatter the trust the project might have built within the community. I personally wouldn't like to see a project that I follow change anything from the tokenomics they announced at the beginning.

A good project will always have everything planned and calculated before going public since they know that it can be really crucial and harm the integrity of the project and the token if we make any changes later on.

It's not always about the tokenomics, I do agree that tokenomics plays a major role in a project but some projects with back tokenomics have proven this wrong, because they still do so well in a bull market, it's better to pick your projects based on their use cases, I believe this is more important because this is what will drive a high adoption rate to the project.

It is true that tokenomics plays an important role in maintaining the utility and balancing the economy of the project, where the uncontrolled emission rate is what kills projects and brings failure lose. However, it is also acknowledged that it would be unfair to blame the failure of a potentially good project entirely with tokenomics, some projects have bad utility, can't compete, can't have development Seamless and slow development is also a big reason for failure. I think that there is no specific standard for tokenomics, different projects have different approaches to create relevance and flexibility.

But thoroughly understanding the tokenomics component is a good way to increase investment progress and get a good project approach

I strongly agree, the tokenomics will always be the first to look into in a new start up project. It all boils down the supply of the project so that we can speculate the price it will be in the futures to come. Partnerships and use can in the crypto community will also be the second to address with. As always DYOR to any projects that are coming out

I am fine with bad tokenomics unless the project has an infinite supply, I would rather go for the utility of the token than use it's tokenomics to judge the project, in a bull market, it doesn't even matter, you will still be fortunate enough to make some money off every good and bad token you own.

The thing is quite neutral in terms of understanding as well as problems from each of us when dyor, not too complicated but I see that the criteria for the quality of each of our projects or tokens are quite different so everything here considered only relatively.
I'm quite skeptical of projects with a good ecosystem without a good token? I need examples here to see this, as well as good tokens that project low quality. Both of the above seem to be just one of the ways we are looking at any given project.

This trend seems to be back again, good project but because of greed on the developer's side, they ruin the project and the token price for investors. I think people need to speak out more about this and try to educate people on it, some new people entering the space will be telling you that Cardano is heading to $100, because it is very cheap compared to Ethereum which is trading currently at $1800, forgetting that Cardano has more than 35 billion tokens in circulation currently as compared to Ethereum which is around 100 million. This is how most people get burn