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based on a report from ESPN,
copa america 2024 which was originally going to be held in ecuador, was transferred to the USA because ecuador is experiencing security problems in their country. but before going to the copa america 2024, the concacaf national league will be held first (qualification).

https://twitter.com/CNationsLeague/status/1638193845786509316

https://twitter.com/CNationsLeague/status/1638197593254526980

https://twitter.com/CNationsLeague/status/1638201378479767552

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https://www.concacaf.com/news/concacaf-announces-formats-for-men-s-national-team-competitions-for-the-2023-2026-cycle/

It's nice to see a thread about the America Cup, it's the first time I've seen it here.

I watched all the editions since 1997.

The fact that the cup is transferred to the United States is very good, will be a great preview for the world cup 2026, they can do several tests on fields, logistics, refereeing etc..

Incredibly Brazil is not the country with more titles, but Argentina and Uruguay with 15 titles each and 9 for Brazil.

This year I will bet in Brazil or Argentina, for sure the title will be for one of the two countries, since I do not see another team at the same level today, and we can see good bets to win money depending on the opponents of Brazil and Argentina (can have lots of goals).

Does anyone know where we can watch the Qualifying matches (CONCACAF Nations League?)

The Copa America is going to be hosted in USA in this occasion, really?
I could swear that relatively not long ago USA also was the host of one of the past Copa America. It would have been refreshing to see another country as a host, keeping in mind that the next World cup is also to be expected to take place in North America.

Anyways, eager to see if Argentina/Uruguay manage to win this cup and broke their current tie.  ;)

Yes, it's confirmed.
You are right, the 2016 cup, which was the Copa America Centenario, was hosted in the United States. It was a special edition celebrating 100 years of CONMEBOL and Copa America.
It was the first edition held outside of South America, and the first with 16 teams.
That year Chile was champion. with Argentina 2nd place.

Uruguay, despite being a team that always plays all the championships with great will, and they play well, I don't think they are the favorite this time.
Argentina and Brazil are more likely to be champions, since Argentina is the current champion of both the Copa America and the World Cup. And Brazil is always the favorite.

The last time Uruguay was champion was in 2011 and after that they never managed to get into the top 4 again.

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And one more thing I forgot to comment on in my previous post, this competition is ideal for the United States, Canada and Mexico to play important championship matches, since the 3 host countries of the World Cup will not be playing in the qualifiers.

it's nice to know that you are a big fan of copa america and what you say is true that brazil is not the winner of the most copa america trophies.

For the next Copa America champion, my choice is still with Argentina because I believe their performance will not be much different when they are in the world cup.


based on the official concacaf website, the qualifications can be watched at this link [https://www.concacaf.com/nations-league/watch/] (https://www.concacaf.com/nations-league/watch/)

It would be very remarkable if Argentina also managed to bring the Copa America back home, celebration after celebration for people there.
But I would also like to see Uruguay winning the cup.

I have the hunch Brazil would not perform as well as expected, they may still have a low morale after losing their Chances in Qatar and the death of Pele.

The United States as host, does not have very good chances of winning, as usual. They are more focused into Rugby.

Brazil is still one of the heavy favorites to win this cup and they are one of the stronger teams together with Argentina who is still in euphoria because of winning the last World Cup last year.For Uruguay though,seeing the games of the last World Cup,they don't give much hope as they did not perform well,not being able to win against a weak team like South Korea compared to Uruguay says a lot about their form.

The fact that they will play in a neutral location like the United States add to the drama of the final game,as it is different than if some country was the host and the fans there would make a big difference if the host country got to the final.

I actually think the opposite, after they failed to get the world cup, Brazil's target is the Copa America cup, if you meet Argentina in the Copa America match then I'm sure Brazil will win this time, the history of meeting the two teams is also very good and Brazil is slightly superior. but the news about who will be the coach from Brazil (substitute tite is still unclear) and the role of a coach in the quality of Brazil's play is very important.

in the 2022 world cup, US performance has actually increased, because they have started not only focusing on basketball or futball.

Well, it is a matter of opinions, then. We will have to wait and see how good Argentina and Brazil perform this time.
On USA, I think they still have a long path ahead before they can call themselves to be a competitive team in the same way South American teams are.

If you know a bit about popular culture, you must be aware that for people in the United States, the super bowl is the most important sport event, even beyond the Copa America, even being the host in this occasion.

Concacaf Nations League provisional preliminary (matchday 5 of 6) results are;


there are only 2 matches that concern me, they are suriname vs mexico & the united states vs grenada.

- Suriname managed to put some pressure on Mexico, it's just that they have a bad front line and even an own goal by Dankerlui made things worse to make Suriname lose 2-0 to Mexico.

- the united states had great success by making 7 goals and pulisic made a good contribution (1 goal and 2 assists).

Thanks, in my region the games were broadcast by ESPN.


I agree with you, it's obvious, but Brazil and Argentina are favorites.
About the Uruguay, unfortunately the generation of Suarez, Cavani and Godin is coming to an end (just like Argentina's team with Messi and Di Maria) and the main players are not performing as they used to and haven't found the way to play with the new players yet. It's going to be hard to beat the Cavani-Suarez attacking duo, they had a great partnership.

In the world cup the coach used Arrascaeta little, who in my opinion was their best player and made all the difference in Uruguay's result.
There are players like Valverde and Darwin Nuñez who are new and can help the team a lot, together with Arrascaeta I believe that Uruguay will be able to play good games and continue as the third force in South American soccer.
But to be Copa America champions I think Uruguay is on the same level as Mexico, USA and Ecuador at the moment.


I have an opinion that it's not only the results that matter, and a world cup is something incredibly difficult, you can't judge only with those parameters.
I also agree that the US team has improved, they are playing very well, and if you compare with previous teams you can see that they are playing well and competing equally with other teams.
One important thing that is missing in the US team at the moment are at least two very high level players. There is Pulisic that can be one of those players, or Reyna, but it would be ideal to have a higher level striker.

The United States will have a good opportunity to develop its soccer by having the Copa America and the World Cup.

in last year's world cup, USA was eliminated in the round of 16 but in the concacaf league, they performed quite well with Pulisic, Reyna and McKennie who were USA's mainstay players. but seeing from Pulisic's performance which has been very stagnant in the last few months at Chelsea, I doubt if the USA team's attack line will be strong against mexico in the concacaf semifinals later. however, USA must be grateful for the events that will be held in their country because the world cup and Copa America are the 2 biggest football events in the world with billions of spectator eyes fixed on these events.

It's a great thread, I like the importance that is being given to South American football, also the fact of having 6 Concacaf teams is something quite good, before they only invited Mexico and it was very good, now the Copa América will last longer time and it will be more exciting, it is also good to integrate the close confederations and with that you can see the high level that can be measured, many say that the Euroeas qualifiers are the strongest, but nothing to see, you have to see the South American qualifiers, where The players have hot weather one day and the next day they have to be at a high altitude where it is difficult to breathe, it is like playing in Barranquilla (Colombia, very hot) and then the next day they go to Bolivia in La Paz (very high), that affects.

I'm quite excited to follow this news maybe because followed by 2 big football countries, Argentina and Brazil. But, sometimes I'm bored too, I don't know why not as interesting as Euro 2024. Maybe you are thinking like me, I often to pass to watch the qualification group and 2nd round group in Copa America Cup, I always often to watch them in Semifinal, there usually is Brazil and Argentina listed, that more interesting because both will fight as World cup.

And, what makes me bored too, the champions are not far away from Argentina, Brazil or Uruguay.

The weather is certainly one important aspect to consider and that might also be a reason why over the decades the best soccer infrastructure in the world was established in Europe. But nobody really doubts that South American soccer players can be the best of the best obviously, but the leagues aren't really. The big stuff happens in Europe and that is why every single South American superstar ends up playing for a team in Europe.

Though I fully agree that putting more emphasis on that part of the world and also to funnel more money to that part (hopefully) due to drawing more attention to it does help a lot with providing young talents with better chances to make it as a professional soccer player.

The only way to find out which part of the world is better (Europe vs. CONCACAF) would be to have a league with the six best European countries against the six best CONCACAF teams. Not that I am hoping for that to happen, but it would be interesting to see how it ends. In tournaments it is often difficult to judge as the luck factor can play quite the role although Europe has been dominating for the last two decades.

Oh, weather, you capricious beast! One instant, we're basking in sunlight, the next, it's a downpour, and just like that – you're an icicle. But seriously, folks, is weather the ultimate arbiter of soccer infrastructure supremacy? We're discussing football, not a sun-soaked beach getaway!

The genuine rationale for Europe's enviable football foundation is elementary: money, money, money. Europe's simply rolling in it compared to other parts of the world, and that's the reason they can invest more in their cherished sport. It is not a rocket science, people!

But wait, let's give props to South America's wealth of talent. Granted, their leagues may not be top-notch, but they've got some of the planet's best players. Want to see more young upstarts go pro? Time to funnel some serious cash and support to that neck of the woods.

I always watch Copa America, usually the matches are exciting, of course you mentioned the 3 best teams, but surprises happen
Did you know that in 2001 Colombia was the champion, with Mexico in second place?
And Chile was champion in 2015 and 2016, beating Argentina, and Messi played that game.
In 2019 Peru made it all the way to the final against Brazil.

In other words, it's not that predictable.

I can also cite some reasons to watch the 2024 Copa America:
They will have 16 teams, unlike the 10 that usually participate, there are 2 confederations participating.
We will be able to see a little of how the 2026 world cup will be, since it will be in the United States, possibly using the same stadiums, and FIFA may do some tests or changes in refereeing etc.
The United States, Canada, and Mexico will have a great opportunity to play a high level competition to prepare for the World Cup, since they will not be competing in the qualifiers.

Messi will probably play, as will Neymar, with chances to play an important match like semi-final or final.

:D Yes, or would you like to get a sunburn playing soccer in Brazil? :P

@slapper I am sure we are actually of the same opinion that the weather isn't the ultimate factor whether a place is suitable for a sport to develop or not, but if it's constantly too hot it might play a role. I assume that is why they cooled down all those stadiums during the World Cup? Or perhaps only for the audience, I don't know. But I remember that many professionals complained in advance as well about temperatures.

This is what I posted in the World Cup 2026 thread because someone argued that some teams have an advantage playing in Canada over those who have to play in Mexico, but a little search on the Internet gave me this:


It is obviously not the case that Mexico is the worst place to play soccer during summer. Sure the graphic is subject to variability as there aren't many data points, but I think it does give one an idea whether Mexico really is such a horrible place compared to Canada in terms of weather and playing soccer.

FIFA has published the official calendar from 2023 until 2030, and of course including the Copa America:

https://i.ibb.co/PmSKTrB/Sem-t-tulo-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/r7WYbQn)
Source: https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/3123d37097318f7f/original/Men-s-International-Match-Calendar-2023-2030_EN.pdf

So it will be played officially from June 14 to July 14, exactly the same dates of Euro 2024

You can check the full schedule here: https://www.fifa.com/international-match-calendars

It is interesting, I have seen the good performance of Concacaf throughout history, and well, there are countries like French Guyana that do not have a good performance, it is essential to know that here by pure personal inspection Mexico is one of the countries that they have a stronger development on this side of the confederations, I have always thought that Costa Rica also has a great chance of beating this country than Mexico, they are very good, I remember the player Wanchope, he is great, I liked how he did it, however they should the Concacaf and Conmebol confederations should disappear, I think that Conmebol has a much higher level and the qualifiers are more difficult, if it were eliminated and there were only 1, it would be ideal, an all against all, and that there are the same places available to go to a world cup.

Exactly! Because the Copa America 2024 will have 10 teams from Conmebol and six more from Concacaf that will enter the dispute with the condition of "invited".
The decision to host this dispute in the United States was quite right, as they will certainly be well prepared already aiming at the necessary structure for the next world cup, which means that they want to make a good impression and not let anything spoil it.

My bet obviously goes to the Brazilian team, I hope they do well in the championship and reach at least the semi-finals.

Well, the important thing here is to know how it can be done in order to have a better vision of everything, clearly the teams and Leagues in Europe are more supported, the strong publicity is in that part of the world, when we talk about fútbol in general it is known that in Europe as in any part of the world when Brazil and Argentina are the closest References to being the toughest rivals that exist in South America, from Concacaf I cannot deny that Mexico is the best,but like everything it is a business model , Europe has very good and strong infrastructures, this is also something that cannot be denied, perhaps that is why the largest capital of fútbol clubs are there.

It is a cultural thing combined with wealth. If the South American nations were as rich as the European continent is, perhaps more eyes would be directed towards the South American continent. But in Europe is the soccer culture as much as in the USA is the baseball, football, basketball culture. The people are relatively rich and have a lot of disposable income that can be spent on merchandise, tv subscriptions, stadium entry fees and whatever you can think of. If you take all these factors together it is not surprising that the big soccer stage is in Europe.

I think such a competition as suggested would be interesting to watch, but I must confess that the meaningfulness would also be limited because all the South American players are actually competing in European leagues for a reason. It would be interesting to see what happens if for two decades all the best European players move to South America and all the Brazilian and Argentinian etc players are exposed to the hardest competition possible for an extended period of time.

It is all hypothetical, but when we talk about pure talent, like talent only, I believe that South America is the best in the world.

If this is partly so, this is without mentioning that a large part of Europe has been rich thanks to South America since the time of Christopher Columbus and what few know is that many fossils are still being found in South America that are rich in gold, silver, bauxite that they continue to be exploited (but in a bad way thanks to the mismanagement of the governments) however what you say is very true, most of the money comes from there, and that is something that has a lot to do with the sponsors who always leave to Europe, for example in Brazilian fútbol, if they gave it more support in terms of very large sponsors,many players would go there, not only because of their fans, but also to absorb the exquisite Brazilian technique.

an realistic football player, having a big name only in their country (football players in Brazil or Argentina) is useless so when there is a sponsor or scout who finds young talent, they will immediately accept the offer and go to Europe to develop and become bigger and famous there. Young talent can be found in Latin American countries (brazil - argentina - uruguay has more young talent there).

discussing teams that have the potential to become champions in the 2024 Copa America, I see many who choose Brazil or Argentina but teams like Mexico - Uruguay - Chile can give a big surprise.

https://www.fifaworldcupnews.com/2024-copa-america/

When idly looking for news about Copa America 2024, I was quite surprised to read that until now I have not decided on the host for this event. peru, ecuador and bolivia are some of the qualifying countries and hopefully we can hear soon which countries are shortlisted.

I have news to post here

Today CONMEBOL officially announced the dates for Copa America 2024
The tournament will be held between June 20th and July 14th 2024.
Exactly 1 year from now (now 364 days hehe)

The host cities for the tournament have not been defined yet.
Another thing that is pending are the 6 CONCACAF teams that will only be known in September with the CONCACAF Nations League.

The dates are very close to the Euro 2024 (June 14th to July 14th)

Guys, yesterday I saw the official logo of Copa America 2024:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/ZWP6I.png

The explanation:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/ZWmlg.png

In my opinion it is MUCH prettier than the 2026 World Cup logo (If you haven't seen the world cup logo yet, do so and then compare the two logos)
They could use this logo for the world cup too hahaha
I liked the elements contained in the logo, the colors and the fonts used, they did a good job
What do you think guys?

I am not surprised with the decision from CONMEBOL to expand the Copa America tournament. The general trend in recent times have been to expand different international competitions and to add more matches. FIFA World Cup for example, have been expanded to 48 teams from 32. And the number of teams looks OK to me. 10 teams will be from CONMEBOL (all the CONMEBOL members), while 6 teams will participate from CONCACAF (out of 41 member associations). The split looks right for me, given that CONMEBOL teams are much stronger than any of the CONCACAF members.

These countries have good set of top talents, they're hidden and they always display brilliantly when they are given the chances. Nothing is impossible in football; I've seen a tender player handle places in a club's engine room and seasoned players turn out to be a total washout. Players with good football abilities will undoubtedly seal the deal from elite clubs with huge offers that will rewrite the entire statistical football history. It's incredibly exciting to see new football players blossom into household names. The Copa America in 2024 would be a challenging battle, and I would pick Brazil and Argentina as favorites to win the title.

I also really like the logo for the 2024 Copa America (because it looks simple with only 4 color combinations) rather than the 2026 World Cup logo (which has a combination of more than 4 colors)


Yup, Argentina is a country that is predicted to be the champion in the Copa America 2024, but what I have noticed is that Argentina is focusing more on senior players than young players. Reportedly, di Maria will also retire after the Copa America 2024, which means she won't play in the 2026 World Cup, would Messi do something like that too!!

Hey everyone, CONMEBOL has announced the venues for the opening match and the grand final

Atlanta, Florida, will host the opening match at Mercedes-Benz Stadium on June 20 and the Grand Final will be held in Miami at HardRock Stadium on July 14.


Atlanta
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/25/Naaeq.png

Miami
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/25/NadGj.png


Source of pics (https://ge.globo.com/futebol/futebol-internacional/noticia/2023/11/20/conmebol-anuncia-sedes-da-abertura-e-final-da-copa-america-2024.ghtml)
Source of news (https://en.as.com/soccer/conmebol-confirm-venues-for-2024-copa-america-opening-and-final-games-n/)

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The United States and Panama have already qualified for the Copa America, along with the 10 CONMEBOL teams.
There are still 4 spots up for dispute in CONCACAF

Nobody excited with Copa America  ???

Yesterday we had more good news:

CONMEBOL announced the 14 cities that will host the cup

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/12/05/NgXIg.png
Source (https://copaamerica.com/news/conmebol-anuncia-ciudades-sedes-estadios-y-calendario-de-la-conmebol-copa-america-2024/?lang=en)


The seeds have also been decided and the teams have been divided into these groups for the draw:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/12/05/Ngd7I.png
Source (https://copaamerica.com/news/pautas-de-sorteo-para-la-conmebol-copa-america/#pll_switcher)

Remember that the draw will take place on Thursday 07th

Will we have a group of death?