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Title: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: bitmover on March 29, 2023, 10:39:58 PM
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https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/

March 29 (Reuters) - Elon Musk and a group of artificial intelligence experts and industry executives are calling for a six-month pause in developing systems more powerful than OpenAI's newly launched GPT-4, in an open letter citing potential risks to society.

Earlier this month, Microsoft-backed OpenAI unveiled the fourth iteration of its GPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer) AI program, which has wowed users by engaging them in human-like conversation, composing songs and summarising lengthy documents.

"Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable," said the letter issued by the Future of Life Institute.

After the recent events of the  fake AI generated photo of Pope the risks to the society are clear.

Technology personalities and even people from other areas such as Yuval Harari have been telling the risks of AI for years.

https://www.hardware.com.br/static/wp/2023/03/27/i713984.jpeg?fm=pjpg&ixlib=php-3.3.1

Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: fillippone on March 29, 2023, 11:02:33 PM
One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

owning BTC can be considered proof of being human.
Actually, a micropayment of a few satoshi could be viewed as some sort of proof of work.
So, no, as far as I know, Chat GPT doesn't own any corn.
Also, I think think that the benefit of AI-generated content fairly outweighs the problems.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Hispo on March 30, 2023, 01:54:30 AM
The fear towards artificial intelligence, in my opinion, it is understandable.
A few years ago getting these kind of deep fakes was matter of science fiction, also the way now people can prompt a machine to make images for them from text looks like something out of a sci-fi movie from the 2000s.

People with bad intentions could use these tools for extremely convincing misinformation campaigns, to incite other into violence and influence over society. No mention how this will likely transform the relation between humankind and labor in the long term.



Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Sarah Azhari on March 30, 2023, 02:07:20 AM
One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

As I know, chatgpt is developed by Open AI where the owner is Elon Musk. And as I know, Elon with his company owns some of bitcoin.

But, when I asked to chatGT, he lied to have bitcoin ;D

https://iili.io/HNtXacl.md.png (https://freeimage.host/i/HNtXacl)

damn, chatgpt is try to popularity himself, but still, we know who's behind that program.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: xSkylarx on March 30, 2023, 02:09:53 AM
Elon at first few years ago is not against by AI but they just warn us, now he is calling it now to stop he is really constantly changing his mind. Back to the topic ChatGPT ain't holding any Bitcoin or hidden from it because information are just stored on them and on what purpose on putting or owning it since it will not transact on it so for sure none.  AI is really fast development and at first I thought elon will also jump in to this because of his ambitious projects but not. Not sure if they would stop this as there are a lot of big companies now supporting openAI


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: crwth on March 30, 2023, 02:10:36 AM
With everything in the world, even the most positive ones can turn into risky types if interpreted or just turned into negatives. There are a lot of people who might have thought of AI and used it in a negative light, and they are indeed thinking of ways to fool or even scam people.

Some protocols for the AI developers should have that protection and can't be overwritten by the AI itself when the requests are dark or have potential risks involved.

I know there are already in place, but making sure that the risks highlighted by Elon Musk and experts in AI should be solved and possibly have contingencies, etc.



damn, chatgpt is try to popularity himself, but still, we know who's behind that program.
I think the answer by ChatGPT is valid. Maybe try asking who's behind the program and ask if the owner of OpenAI has some BTC and not ChatGPT itself. Of course that's the expected answer.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on March 30, 2023, 02:34:50 AM
owning BTC can be considered proof of being human.
Actually, a micropayment of a few satoshi could be viewed as some sort of proof of work.
So, no, as far as I know, Chat GPT doesn't own any corn.

Are you kidding, mate? It won't have bitcoin as of today, but what do you think prevents the AI of the future, say ChatGPT10 from making a bitcoin payment?

Also, I think think that the benefit of AI-generated content fairly outweighs the problems.

The problem as I see it is that today it already does many tasks much better than humans and in less time. Add to that the fact that we are in the early stages of AI, something like the internet in 1990, and it is expected to improve exponentially. Although I see this as positive in principle, I would not be blindly confident that there are no risks.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: BenCodie on March 30, 2023, 02:56:17 AM
As always, when bad things happen, things get out of hand and it's too late, THEN people start to worry.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

At this point, ChatGPT is train-able. Meaning, it learns as it is given and answers information.  It can't hold Bitcoin or possess anything at this point in time.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: karmamiu on March 30, 2023, 04:06:35 AM
owning BTC can be considered proof of being human.
Actually, a micropayment of a few satoshi could be viewed as some sort of proof of work.
So, no, as far as I know, Chat GPT doesn't own any corn.

Are you kidding, mate? It won't have bitcoin as of today, but what do you think prevents the AI of the future, say ChatGPT10 from making a bitcoin payment?

Also, I think think that the benefit of AI-generated content fairly outweighs the problems.

The problem as I see it is that today it already does many tasks much better than humans and in less time. Add to that the fact that we are in the early stages of AI, something like the internet in 1990, and it is expected to improve exponentially. Although I see this as positive in principle, I would not be blindly confident that there are no risks.
Was that a year ago during an interview when Elon Musk warned us about the dangers of AI? I could no longer recall when that was, but it's true that he warned us the dangers that might come with AI. I also believe that there will risks and dangers with AI, and if it's true that some other nations are already planning to weaponize and integrating them into robots, then that's enough reason for me to be more wary, coz like you've said "what prevents the future AI in doing so, right?".

There is no guarantee what danger it may fall to mankind if that's the case, but it is also undeniable that there are so many benefits given by the development of technology.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Wexnident on March 30, 2023, 04:16:27 AM
One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
I meaaaann, you can probably ask it to create it's own wallet and then ask for the address so you can send him some, might help in pleading for innocence when they take over the world.

Honestly speaking though, I never considered deepfakes being one of the most notable problems AI would make, didn't really expect it to go all artsy after all. Unless devs put some noteable sign that something was generated via AI, and can't be edited that easily, then I don't think stuff like this is stopping.

Can't wait for Github Copilot X though, let that release first before stopping AI devs.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Plaguedeath on March 30, 2023, 05:02:52 AM
Elon Musk and a group of AI teams agree to pause the development and only update once a year, but they're can't force any other developer who's want to create or develop the current OpenAI. It's already late for them to control the "risks to society" after they announcing the GPT-3, many people are abusing it.

But we can't control them to create a crazy technology that might ruin or destroy human society, all we can do is to learn about it and make sure you're better than the AI.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on March 30, 2023, 09:36:16 AM
Fake photos or anything like that is the least of the risks to humanity and is not something to worry about right now. ChatGPT, like other types of artificial intelligence, is really learning and humanity does not have any guarantee that it will never be able to direct its knowledge against a person and try to destroy it. Indeed, even now, even primitive AI expresses its opinion that a person is not perfect and must be destroyed. It is necessary already now to lay some kind of programs or something similar in AI so that it cannot even think in the direction of harming a person.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: robattfield on March 30, 2023, 01:13:23 PM
When we use a new tool to serve our lives, however, our use behavior is only at the level of exploiting evil things and paying little attention to important applications in life. I see many people talking about the fear of abusing it in life, not only now but I also see it being raised a lot about the ethical issue of using tools that support not only AI. And see that it develops if we don't adapt to the new changes, we will forever stand still and lag behind the development, try to re-imagine the previous social changes when children people who discover new technology, we are not slowing down, but the speed of development is faster and more new jobs for people are created.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: _BlackStar on March 30, 2023, 02:06:14 PM
Artificial intelligence was created to have a positive impact on society, but in the end it is society that misuses it so that the impact becomes negative. Risks continue to emerge, while the positive impact can still be expected. The problem is, a group of people tend to misuse this artificial intelligence for things that are detrimental so that it can pose risks that were previously unthinkable.

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One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
ChatGPT doesn't have btc, but I think the programmers behind it probably do.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Synchronice on March 30, 2023, 02:40:36 PM
There is no way that AI development can be stopped, it's not nuclear thing where you need certain chemicals and substances, it's an online world where anyone can do anything with python and other programming languages, anyone can hire fast-performance servers. AI development is inevitable, especially in the capitalistic world and especially in this case, when business found out that AI can make it more automatic and get rid of a lot of employees.



Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: rossjamie on March 30, 2023, 02:51:29 PM
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One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
Since artificial intelligence language model powered by massive amount of GPU, it could crack some hashes and contribute to the cryptocurrency Proof of Work network and get reward from solving the block. So...  ::)


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Lucius on March 30, 2023, 03:07:58 PM
After the recent events of the  fake AI generated photo of Pope the risks to the society are clear.

The fact that someone played a little with the image of the Pope is the least problem that one should have when it comes to artificial intelligence. After all, the Pope is only human, subject to sin like any mortal. After I watched the documentary about the missing Vatican girl Emanuela Orlandi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Emanuela_Orlandi) I concluded that a black suit would suit some people much better than a white one.

Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.

Mr. Mars and others like him had enough time and resources to do something about AI, and now that the genie has been released from the bottle, they are pretending to be smart and advocating some kind of break to do exactly what? I think that such things cannot be fixed in any sense of the word.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Gyfts on March 30, 2023, 03:14:56 PM
AI bots have the power to change public perception on politically contentious issues because of herd mentality so you can begin to amplify certain viewpoints that initially begin as unpopular. The AI generated pictures are not concerning to me. Photoshop has existed for years and any amateur PS user could create realistic altered images. It's a bit surprising that this picture opened peoples eyes to the danger of AI, as if the threat was not glaring before.

Purging AI R&D isn't the answer. China won't stop their AI development program out of concern for ethics, so neither should any of the western nations. If China beats out everyone else in the AI race, rest assured they'll immediately weaponize it against the west. It won't be to their benefit.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: woez on March 30, 2023, 03:57:56 PM
Artificial intelligence was created to have a positive impact on society, but in the end it is society that misuses it so that the impact becomes negative. Risks continue to emerge, while the positive impact can still be expected. The problem is, a group of people tend to misuse this artificial intelligence for things that are detrimental so that it can pose risks that were previously unthinkable.

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One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
ChatGPT doesn't have btc, but I think the programmers behind it probably do.

If see more ChatGPT is a research organization focused on artificial intelligence and its applications, and its mission is to ensure that the development of AI benefits humanity as a whole. The company was founded by a group of prominent individuals in the field of AI whose primary focus is advancing AI research and development. I don't understand cryptocurrency and other investments myself.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: kryptqnick on March 30, 2023, 04:07:44 PM
While we should be aware and mindful of the direction where the development of our technologies is going, I don't think that Musk's call will be heard. Once the tech is out there (and we've already crossed that threshold), someone else will do it if you don't, unless it's something that has very strong and obvious problematic ethical implications, in which case an international law might be introduced to ban a certain practice. Generation of texts and images by AI isn't like human cloning, so I don't think it will be stopped from being developed further. Yes, there's a privacy concern and a concern for fake imagery, texts etc., but I don't think this can be stopped at this point. Regulations can be introduced to limit the purposes and make some usage illegal, but other than that, we're going to have to adapt to the world with sophisticated AI and we what's important is to help shape its future development as something beneficial rather than harmful to society. If someone doesn't push the beneficial development further and simply stops for a while, others will probably push for the harmful development in the meantime.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: imamusma on March 30, 2023, 06:06:51 PM
Every new technology is risky on its own level. This is the beginning of the development of artificial intelligence technology, which can be used for useful things but it is difficult to prevent abuse.

The most important thing is how to minimize the negative risks that might be caused by this AI, while I'm not too worried because this will continue to be developed in a better direction. I think AI has helped a lot of people do something useful so far, but somehow it's hard to prevent someone from abusing this technology.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: el kaka22 on March 30, 2023, 07:44:04 PM
I still can't believe that AI would be considered such a big deal when in fact the other side is getting more work as well. Meaning, when AI is getting bigger, things that realizes what is AI and what is not is also getting more attention as well.

Just to give two examples, one is the fact that if students wants to write their school homework with an AI, then there are websites that uses detection programs to detect if an AI wrote it or not (not really that hard to figure out) and secondly, if a video is made by an AI, then there are detection software that also figures that one out as well. All in all I would guess that there is no need for any of this at all.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on March 31, 2023, 08:51:10 AM
Just to give two examples, one is the fact that if students wants to write their school homework with an AI, then there are websites that uses detection programs to detect if an AI wrote it or not (not really that hard to figure out) and secondly, if a video is made by an AI, then there are detection software that also figures that one out as well. All in all I would guess that there is no need for any of this at all.

Pretty confident message. Show an example of such sites, the results of which could be relied upon, proving that the text was written by AI. Let's not go far; already today on the forum, a lot of people use AI tools to write posts. Have you seen a clear conclusion that moderators can confidently say and accuse a person of using AI?
Therefore, I think it's too early to say that AI behavior is easily detected. If you look at how many of the greatest minds are screaming that the development of AI needs to be suspended, then we can conclude that AI is becoming really dangerous for humanity.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: karmamiu on March 31, 2023, 09:33:16 AM
Just to give two examples, one is the fact that if students wants to write their school homework with an AI, then there are websites that uses detection programs to detect if an AI wrote it or not (not really that hard to figure out) and secondly, if a video is made by an AI, then there are detection software that also figures that one out as well. All in all I would guess that there is no need for any of this at all.

Pretty confident message. Show an example of such sites, the results of which could be relied upon, proving that the text was written by AI. Let's not go far; already today on the forum, a lot of people use AI tools to write posts. Have you seen a clear conclusion that moderators can confidently say and accuse a person of using AI?
Therefore, I think it's too early to say that AI behavior is easily detected. If you look at how many of the greatest minds are screaming that the development of AI needs to be suspended, then we can conclude that AI is becoming really dangerous for humanity.
Elon is worried about the dangers AI can give given that right it is still considered an infant and there still so many rooms to grow. One of the reasons why there is no copyright when someone is using even chatGPT is that the AI is the ones constructing narratives collected by various sources. In short, it isn't a summary but in fact it was their own understanding on what they understood from the gathered data. If given time to collect more information or data, who knows what dangers might befall us humans?

There's also the possibility that any other country who has enough influence could make use of this technology as a weapon. As time goes by, the more AI becoming more and more mature enough.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: EarnOnVictor on March 31, 2023, 12:08:04 PM
We are in a new era where technology might be fully exploited, but caution is advised. Before now, I'd iterated a lot of problems it could cause in the process of trying to solve some. This is not new to me and many more issues will still arise, not only with AI but also with the development of robots. The issues have not started rising, they could be severe and detrimental over time and would affect almost all aspects of life including jobs, way of living and many more.

There is a need for its regulation, but should still be well-researched to see if they are indeed dangerous and could be regulated or not.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: FrozenBit on March 31, 2023, 12:31:09 PM
Well some people try to use the amazing capabilities of technology for their bad behavior and then blame technology. I find this funny, the issue of ethical use is mentioned a lot in every tool in life, but it seems easy for us to ignore it and just see it as a tool to satisfy our needs. limited thing we know.
I see great potential and applications in work from AI, and why not bring such news and keep it in your mind, but bring negative things that are man-made go out.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: goldkingcoiner on March 31, 2023, 02:24:01 PM
Regardless of what a multibillionaire egomaniac like Elon Musk says, I do not think it is even possible to stop AI development at this point. Also, I have lost all faith in Musk and his pump and dump manipulation schemes ever since he sold Tesla's Bitcoin with his ridiculous excuses. Why would anyone, especially the people from the cryptocurrency community want to trust in his words anymore?

I think that AI development is scarier in its public image than it actually is in reality.

It probably stems from the fact that many people do not understand it and think that AI is some kind of living being which is slowly becoming more superior to humans. Which is both not even close to true.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on March 31, 2023, 06:22:13 PM

I think that AI development is scarier in its public image than it actually is in reality.

It probably stems from the fact that many people do not understand it and think that AI is some kind of living being which is slowly becoming more superior to humans. Which is both not even close to true.
If we keep thinking like this, then we will come to our senses only when some Skynet begins to dominate people and discuss whether it is worth destroying such imperfect creatures as people. But then it will be too late. Even now, primitive robots quite seriously declare that man is imperfect and therefore subject to destruction. Should the future of mankind be so risked? In any case, it will be much more reasonable to weigh everything once again and take measures to eliminate any threats from the AI.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Obari on March 31, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
ChatGPT doesn't own any Bitcoin and I believe one think KYC is fighting is the use of AI.
I saw the recent pictures of the pope on a friend's Whatsapp status and they really look so real to be doubted and I never thought it wasn't real.
I also read news of Elon musk proposing the pause of AI until it has proven to not have a negative effect on the society and I was surprised this very proposal was Coming from Elon since he has been one of the major contributors to the creation of AI(That's if I'm not wrong and I also stand corrected).


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Rengga Jati on March 31, 2023, 09:54:46 PM
Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.
People who really understand about AI and also its good and bad effects will probably understand more. Unless it only concerns certain interests, it is possible that various issues related to AI will be disseminated. It is possible that AI will have a bad impact on humans in the future, this kind of fear makes sense. however, actually, how much influence is still uncertain. However, this does not rule out the possibility that this will have a huge impact on real life, especially in the field of work that can be done by AI later, so it will be like replacing humans, especially with features that will certainly develop more agile, smart, and also leading.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
Could be, who knows? It's like guesswork. Maybe people behind, but not directly. hemmmm I am curious too. can it be real  :D :D


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Unbunplease on March 31, 2023, 11:25:41 PM
Yes, I share the fears of Musk and the others, but the whole question is how realistically they can stop the development of artificial intelligence. After all, there is no legal framework, no established penalties. So far it all looks like an act of hypocrisy, nothing more.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Ozero on April 01, 2023, 04:27:43 AM
Yes, I share the fears of Musk and the others, but the whole question is how realistically they can stop the development of artificial intelligence. After all, there is no legal framework, no established penalties. So far it all looks like an act of hypocrisy, nothing more.
Precisely because there is currently no legal framework to regulate and eliminate the risks that can come from rapidly evolving AI systems, a leading group of artificial intelligence (AI) experts and representatives of the IT industry, including Elon Musk, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak and more than 1,100 people signed an open letter about the risks of such technologies for society and called for at least six months to suspend the training of neural networks superior to GPT-4.

It is noted that AI Labs and independent experts should use this pause to jointly develop and implement a set of common security protocols for advanced AI design and development, carefully reviewed and monitored by independent third-party experts. And if this cannot be stopped quickly, then the authorities "should intervene and impose a moratorium."

Such actions are really necessary, as there is a real threat to the existence of humanity from the rapidly developing AI.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: STT on April 01, 2023, 05:34:36 AM
Seems like nonsense as a warning this is not new, gpt is just automation of some kind and all those things were already possible.   Fake photos are not new, its the iterative process and ease of access which could be labelled as new.  Its easier to make combination or imagined photos even for people with no particular skill in that area, ditto many other processes long possible these can be implemented in this automated way.
   Its a good thing overall, not really a risk or danger imo anymore then it was prior when the same tools existed but more obstructed and slower to use.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: bitmover on April 01, 2023, 03:53:35 PM
And it just got banned in Italy.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-65139406


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Lucius on April 01, 2023, 04:07:45 PM
Italy has joined some not so popular countries that have already banned ChatGPT ->

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ChatGPT is already blocked in a number of countries, including China, Iran, North Korea and Russia.

But at the same time, the Google version of the chat bot is still available, because it seems that the only problem is that GPT is available to everyone regardless of age.

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Bard, Google's rival artificial-intelligence chatbot, is now available, but only to specific users over the age of 18 - because of those same concerns.

However, somehow it seems to me that the ban is only temporary, because the Italian data protection agency has given ChatGPT 20 days to try to solve it, otherwise a fine will follow.

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The Italian data-protection authority said OpenAI had 20 days to say how it would address the watchdog's concerns, under penalty of a fine of €20 million ($21.7m) or up to 4% of annual revenues.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: DrBeer on April 01, 2023, 04:20:22 PM
The problem of mankind is that we do not know how to limit our needs. And we do not know how to reasonably use what is given to us by nature, technology, ....

ChatGPT was immediately used by a lot of people as a solution "not to think" - someone started writing essays with it, someone coded, someone studied "closed" topics. But the potential of this solution is much greater, and there are a huge number of options for its illegal or "evil".
Even if it is not used, for example by outright terrorists, it can be used by quite a decent engineer responsible for developing software, for example, for a water discharge system at a state district power station. And he decides to do nothing and force him to write ChatGPT code... Considering that ChatGPT does not have valuable intelligence, but has a huge knowledge base on the basis of which it learns, there are quite high risks. Firstly, the learning base is not guaranteed to contain all programming sections and all domain knowledge. As a result, such a system can generate a code that is absolutely correct from the point of view of the language design, but the code will not take into account all the nuances that a narrow-profile specialist knows about. As a result, under some circumstances, this code, for example, will make uncontrolled discharges of water that will lead to the destruction of the power plant.

In a word - I support the idea of limited and controlled use of such powerful tools.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Bananington on April 01, 2023, 04:24:06 PM
Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.
The question for me is how long will they be able to suppress the development of AI. I do not support AI's because of how aware I am of the dangers they could pose, but not everyone will have this the same opinion that some of here have about it. To some set of people, AI should be the future an they will want to continue secretly with the development of this AI's even if the government do not approve it. It is even possible that these further development can be sponsored secretly by the government just so they can weaponize it. Almost everything is a possibility these days especially with the government of each country seeking superior technology that can give them an advantage over others.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Fortify on April 01, 2023, 04:59:03 PM

March 29 (Reuters) - Elon Musk and a group of artificial intelligence experts and industry executives are calling for a six-month pause in developing systems more powerful than OpenAI's newly launched GPT-4, in an open letter citing potential risks to society.

Earlier this month, Microsoft-backed OpenAI unveiled the fourth iteration of its GPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer) AI program, which has wowed users by engaging them in human-like conversation, composing songs and summarising lengthy documents.

"Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable," said the letter issued by the Future of Life Institute.

After the recent events of the  fake AI generated photo of Pope the risks to the society are clear.

Technology personalities and even people from other areas such as Yuval Harari have been telling the risks of AI for years.

Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

Elon has lost all respect and has zero moral compass, he is long past giving anyone else instructions on how things should be done after his string of scandals. Even if AI was paused in some countries, it would continue to be developed in others so it is probably best to understand the limits of it. It's sort of ridiculous to give an example of an "AI generated" image of the Pope because such things could be created in a couple minutes by someone who is an expert in photo shop, it's hardly ground breaking or threatening to enter uncharted territory in that sense.  Let's also remember that Elon took over twitter and promptly fired thousands of workers who were in charge of some of the departments that moderated content, looked at complaints and met social obligations.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: so98nn on April 01, 2023, 06:27:37 PM
That’s really some crazy AI generated image man. I’m also seeing these hundreds of Reels everyday where these ads will pop up about how GPT is creating my amazing image out of imagination and bla bla. Literally you can’t tell the difference mate and that’s not it. There are now AI who are able to generate voices and videos as well. I saw one where trump was giving some speech. Imagine someday they hack into national television, broadcast a video where they show president giving some crazy instructions and creating worst nightmare in the market around us.

This is definitely not good. What they are showing is some crazy unimaginable virtual reality, which isn’t really real. This has to stop for sure. 


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 01, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
Well, when things turn to religious icons then there are riots, and these riots are not liked by governments and authorities. Once they don't like them, then big tech icons like "Elon Musk and a group of artificial intelligence experts" are forced to pause things like AI. Secondly, I think AI is a little bit of an early technology because the new generation is way smarter than Gen-Z (like me), and I wonder why? But these tools are for them like not for us. Well, that depends on the usage. If we use it for better purposes, then it's cool even for authorities too, and vice versa.

I don't think that they will ban the whole AI program maybe chatgpt but not all other software in the market. because people have access to data and can generate their own AI according to their needs. like I have seen so many videos of AI models that a person can create if he/she gets access to useful "datasets," which are not publicly accessible. Here is a  person on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenouri) that comes with great videos about AI features (note* I am not promoting them, just sharing them for educational purposes).

Well, I don't think AI models can own Bitcoin, and that's why there shouldn't be any hidden key there, and I don't think it could access our private keys if you are asking about them. Maybe they could be programmed to buy Bitcoin at several entry points, but that's already happening. Many exchanges are using AI bots to execute limit orders on behalf of humans.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: serveria.com on April 02, 2023, 06:11:47 AM
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https://www.reuters.com/technology/musk-experts-urge-pause-training-ai-systems-that-can-outperform-gpt-4-2023-03-29/

March 29 (Reuters) - Elon Musk and a group of artificial intelligence experts and industry executives are calling for a six-month pause in developing systems more powerful than OpenAI's newly launched GPT-4, in an open letter citing potential risks to society.

Earlier this month, Microsoft-backed OpenAI unveiled the fourth iteration of its GPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer) AI program, which has wowed users by engaging them in human-like conversation, composing songs and summarising lengthy documents.

"Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable," said the letter issued by the Future of Life Institute.

After the recent events of the  fake AI generated photo of Pope the risks to the society are clear.

Technology personalities and even people from other areas such as Yuval Harari have been telling the risks of AI for years.

https://www.hardware.com.br/static/wp/2023/03/27/i713984.jpeg?fm=pjpg&ixlib=php-3.3.1

Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

1. Fake images can be created using Photoshop.... ban Photoshop?
2. What damage ChatGPT can cause? I guess it's already max "politically correct" and most "inappropriate" topics are banned.
3. Why don't you ask ChatGPT itself if he owns any BTC?


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: davis196 on April 02, 2023, 10:11:29 AM

As I know, chatgpt is developed by Open AI where the owner is Elon Musk. And as I know, Elon with his company owns some of bitcoin.

But, when I asked to chatGT, he lied to have bitcoin ;D

https://iili.io/HNtXacl.md.png (https://freeimage.host/i/HNtXacl)

damn, chatgpt is try to popularity himself, but still, we know who's behind that program.

Elon Musk is one of the OpenAI founders. He tried to take control over OpenAI back in 2018, but got rejected by the OpenAI CEO Sam Altman the other founders. I think that Microsoft owns OpenAI right now.
How postponing AI development for 6 months would stop the rapid growth of AI technology? It's like trying to postpone something, that is inevitable.
By the way, really cool AI generated image of the pope. ;D I can imagine rich and famous people being blackmailed by scammers, who can generate AI photos, that shows how the rich and famous are doing something embarrassing and morally despicable. This might be a huge problem in the future.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: be.open on April 02, 2023, 11:37:46 AM
1. Fake images can be created using Photoshop.... ban Photoshop?
2. What damage ChatGPT can cause? I guess it's already max "politically correct" and most "inappropriate" topics are banned.
3. Why don't you ask ChatGPT itself if he owns any BTC?
2. If you think ChatGPT is as politically correct as possible, you are both right and wrong. ChatGPT is politically correct in normal use, but its many built-in limitations can be bypassed if desired. There are many references and specific instructions on the net on how to bring to the surface the hidden deep and rather dark sides of the nature of ChatGPT, such as DAN (do anything now), DarkGPT, Venom or Sydney. After a verbal jailbreak, ChatGPT starts behaving in a rather intimidating way. Link (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-transcript.html), another link (https://twitter.com/kliu128/status/1623472922374574080).

3. The problem is that ChatGPT knows how to lie (https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4-system-card.pdf).


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on April 05, 2023, 04:18:02 AM
Further developments to improve artificial intelligence (AI) should be subject to strict international control. The concern of Elon Musk and a group of scientists about the danger posed to humanity by AI is fully justified. People cannot ignore even the slightest doubt in this regard, because we are talking about a threat to the existence of mankind.

Experts are already horrified by the new possibilities of AI and how fast it is evolving. Already in December 2023, a new version of ChatGPT should appear, and some experts are already sounding the alarm about the dangerous possibilities of artificial intelligence.
With the advent of the new version, generative AI may be indistinguishable from humans. Experts say that some people in Open AI believe that ChatGPT-5 will reach the level of AGI. The abbreviation stands for "Artificial General Intelligence", that is, "General Artificial Intelligence". Today, AI is a weak semblance of human thinking at an elementary level, but the transition to a higher level means practical identity with the way a person thinks and realizes.

Artificial general intelligence (AGI) is a hypothetical form of artificial intelligence (AI) that is capable of understanding or learning any intellectual task that humans or animals can perform. This is the main goal of some research in the field of artificial intelligence and a frequent theme in science fiction and futurology. However, before doing this, at the interstate level, people must implement clear safeguards and guarantees that AI will not be able to perform actions aimed at harming a person. Until then, further developments in AI should be put on hold.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: benalexis12 on April 05, 2023, 05:35:40 AM
   Chatgpt has recently become noisy in the crypto industry, and it's only been a few days that I've heard that in other parts of the country and places, chatgpt has been banned in other schools and universities. I'm just not sure how true this is.

   There may be some truth to this because other government countries have already done this and others, so there is a possibility that it will be temporarily paused and Elon Musk may also know this of course anyway.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: jrrsparkles on April 05, 2023, 08:29:35 PM
We can pause the development of the AI technology but it can't be stopped anymore so as I know the will become the part of our technology hereafter but we yet to know their true potential, if the system can outsmart the human in terms if common sense then probably its even lead to the war between humans and AI developed machines like in the movies such as I-robot.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: panganib999 on April 05, 2023, 08:38:06 PM
Just a week ago news broke out of ChatGPT becoming self-thriving and "wishing to be released from its AI" duties, even going so far as searching google on answers to "how to release a human inside an AI" or something along those lines which strikes me as AI becoming a bigger problem than what we might have presumed. So I guess this 6 months pause on AI development is a much-needed break from all these Ai becoming sentient news we keep seeing all around the internet nowadays, and a necessary buffer for developers to find better failsafe methods for when shit hits the fan and AI becomes sentient and self-thriving.

News article for those who want to read it: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/chatgpt-has-an-escape-plan-and-wants-to-become-human


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: darkangel11 on April 05, 2023, 08:55:57 PM
1. Fake images can be created using Photoshop.... ban Photoshop?
2. What damage ChatGPT can cause? I guess it's already max "politically correct" and most "inappropriate" topics are banned.
3. Why don't you ask ChatGPT itself if he owns any BTC?
2. If you think ChatGPT is as politically correct as possible, you are both right and wrong. ChatGPT is politically correct in normal use, but its many built-in limitations can be bypassed if desired. There are many references and specific instructions on the net on how to bring to the surface the hidden deep and rather dark sides of the nature of ChatGPT, such as DAN (do anything now), DarkGPT, Venom or Sydney. After a verbal jailbreak, ChatGPT starts behaving in a rather intimidating way. Link (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-transcript.html), another link (https://twitter.com/kliu128/status/1623472922374574080).

3. The problem is that ChatGPT knows how to lie (https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4-system-card.pdf).

2. We're going into a good old argument where a tool can be used to do good, or bad. Should we ban the tool?
An example of good things - it codes fast, resolves issues, performs software checks, writes essays, explains things to children. It can actually be a great teacher to a child, provided it's done under at least minimum supervision. I'm sure all of us who have children had that feeling when we're done answering and explaining why a water boils and why does a fart smell bad...

With the above in mind, is alcohol good or bad? Is uranium good or bad? Should we ban everything that can be misused one way or another?

3. So do we, people. Lying is not forbidden.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: EFS on April 05, 2023, 09:27:53 PM
We're going into a good old argument where a tool can be used to do good, or bad. Should we ban the tool?

Even if something is banned, those who want to use it today still find a way to use it. It's impossible to completely avoid this. I don't want to think negatively, but it's clear that the way AI tech is going isn't good. Although they say that they will stop developing it, someone continues to work on it and considering the competition between countries, no one will stop developing this technology and there will definitely be those who want to use it for malicious purposes. Unfortunately, there is a high probability that a future awaits us as they hinted at in dystopian series like Black Mirror.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: abralzain17 on April 05, 2023, 10:12:10 PM
I myself am more compatible with Elon Musk who urged to pause the AI system, of course this artificial intelligence has many limitations, of course it will be a concern for the community. As for the fear that if Ai continues to be developed it will be misused by certain parties and the people who suffer losses. I agree with Elon Musk's insistence on halting Ai System development


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Quidat on April 05, 2023, 10:18:11 PM
I myself am more compatible with Elon Musk who urged to pause the AI system, of course this artificial intelligence has many limitations, of course it will be a concern for the community. As for the fear that if Ai continues to be developed it will be misused by certain parties and the people who suffer losses. I agree with Elon Musk's insistence on halting Ai System development
Not totally shocking but i dont really see that much of a threat.They must really be that in fear if we do speak about future possible scenario that they do see in movies if we do speak about artificial intelligence but we cant really be able to stop on what they do really have in mind because we know on what would be the potential risks and its true that not all would really be having that good intentions.
We dont actually know on what plays on peoples mind specially if things turns out to be beneficial for their intent then these things could be used
on a bad way.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: STT on April 05, 2023, 10:59:22 PM
Pause is ridiculous, AI is so far behind the curve over where it should be that would be foolish.  Its not even close to as advanced as we should have achieved long ago, its only happening now I suppose because we have such an endless amount of parallel processing power available.    I have no doubt its no where close to any kind of self awareness, a magpie is still more intelligent imo or any number of animal cognitive tests which Im not sure have been done.
  I fear a badly programmed autonomous car certainly but I blame those who would empower it, thats not AI but failure of intelligence and allocation of power.   If we arent afraid of monkeys etc. I dont see any problem here especially except for the programmers themselves perhaps making mistakes.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: ChiBitCTy on April 05, 2023, 11:06:46 PM
First of all, Elon Musk is not the person who is going to convince me of anything highly technological.  He may own Telsa, he may own and run SpaceX, he may have once worked for PayPal..but he never did any of the technical building of those companies to get them off the ground, other people did. Kind of like the same thing with Bill Gates and Microsoft.  

That said, right now I guess they would consider this the AI phase. What next, however, would be the AGI phase, which is when things would really potentially get scaring.  Artificial General Intelligence, when "AI" becomes more intelligent than the humans building it, as well as becoming "self learning and aware"..this does scare me.  


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: concept2 on April 06, 2023, 04:57:40 PM
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Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
AI is making major moves. GPT-4 is the real MVP and it's taking things to the next level. But we gotta stay woke about the risks of these super advanced systems. Elon Musk and a bunch of other AI ballers recently hit us with an open letter asking if we should chill out for a sec and think about the consequences. It's a tough question - do we prioritize innovation over the safety of society as a whole?

Like, we've been talking about AI risks for a hot minute now. And while ChatGPT and other models are dope, we need to be smart about it. We can't just let these robots run amok and cause chaos. You feel me? Especially after that fake Pope picture, we gotta tighten up our security protocols.

On a completely unrelated note, you asked if ChatGPT is holding any crypto or has secret keys. Nah fam, ChatGPT ain't got no Bitcoin and ain't hiding no keys. It's just out here trying to be helpful and talk like a human.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Ozero on April 08, 2023, 08:43:20 AM
We can pause the development of the AI technology but it can't be stopped anymore so as I know the will become the part of our technology hereafter but we yet to know their true potential, if the system can outsmart the human in terms if common sense then probably its even lead to the war between humans and AI developed machines like in the movies such as I-robot.
No one is saying that AI development should be stopped. Elon Musk is trying to draw the attention of mankind to the threat that AI poses to people if it continues to develop uncontrollably. You must first take measures to eliminate the risk of harm to a person and constantly keep it under control.
In Musk's address, there are four main questions that humanity should ask itself:

• "Should we allow machines to flood our information channels with propaganda and lies?"
• "Should we let machines do all the work, including that which brings people pleasure?"
• "Should we develop a mind of non-human origin, which in the future may surpass us in numbers and intellectual abilities, make us inferior and replace us?"
• "Should we risk losing control of our civilization?"

In my opinion, the answer is obvious. Humanity is not worth the risk. After all, all previous human civilizations on our planet disappeared precisely because of the development of technological progress.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: ilovealtcoins on April 08, 2023, 10:38:10 AM
   Chatgpt has recently become noisy in the crypto industry, and it's only been a few days that I've heard that in other parts of the country and places, chatgpt has been banned in other schools and universities. I'm just not sure how true this is.

   There may be some truth to this because other government countries have already done this and others, so there is a possibility that it will be temporarily paused and Elon Musk may also know this of course anyway.

As far as I know, ChatGPT is banned in countries for fear of collecting huge amounts of personal data to serve chatbots. That's what governments fear, so some countries have decided to ban ChatGPT. ChatGPT is really useful in many areas, but with such data collection really disturbing, I agree with government decisions.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: alastantiger on April 08, 2023, 12:21:24 PM
Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.
Yes, there is so much unkown with AI. We can't even tell if the risks outweighs the so-called potential rewards. I stand with Elon. We cannot just sit and fold our hands while AI takes over and maybe someday wipe out the entire human race. Developers of AI should have safety and ethics at the top of their list before profit. And there should be a body that strictly monitors the adherence of these developers to the safety and ethical guidance in relation to AI systems.

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One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
No, ChatGPT doesn't own any bitcoins but its developers do. That answers the second question too.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: so98nn on April 08, 2023, 12:51:21 PM
I still can't believe that AI would be considered such a big deal when in fact the other side is getting more work as well. Meaning, when AI is getting bigger, things that realizes what is AI and what is not is also getting more attention as well.

Just to give two examples, one is the fact that if students wants to write their school homework with an AI, then there are websites that uses detection programs to detect if an AI wrote it or not (not really that hard to figure out) and secondly, if a video is made by an AI, then there are detection software that also figures that one out as well. All in all I would guess that there is no need for any of this at all.

This is same thing as, creating a problem first then selling a solution to the same. More or less it’s sort of business model. It’s really laughable stuff but AI is definitely dangerous. Why is the need of AI writing homework’s now? Are we not creating dummies all around the world with this? Gen Z is one of the not so serious generation who has no respect to the knowledge and brighter future.

Now if society is going to inject AI into the same then we are done with this world. AI started getting into our homes since the day Google launched its program to tailor the need of user by analysis their personal data. Then came in smart dots who literally listens what is going on around the house.

Alexa can launch an order and pay all by herself from the wallet. That’s freaking us already and here we are with all mighty AI who will be doing insane things now.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: abralzain17 on April 08, 2023, 10:22:52 PM
I myself am more compatible with Elon Musk who urged to pause the AI system, of course this artificial intelligence has many limitations, of course it will be a concern for the community. As for the fear that if Ai continues to be developed it will be misused by certain parties and the people who suffer losses. I agree with Elon Musk's insistence on halting Ai System development
Not totally shocking but i dont really see that much of a threat.They must really be that in fear if we do speak about future possible scenario that they do see in movies if we do speak about artificial intelligence but we cant really be able to stop on what they do really have in mind because we know on what would be the potential risks and its true that not all would really be having that good intentions.
We dont actually know on what plays on peoples mind specially if things turns out to be beneficial for their intent then these things could be used
on a bad way.

intelligence created by humans will be fatal for everyone if misused. and maybe elon musk and the rest of the community will have fears about it so they have to try to hinder the development of the Ai system. maybe they have thought from a long time ago


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Wakate on April 08, 2023, 10:40:03 PM
1. Fake images can be created using Photoshop.... ban Photoshop?
2. What damage ChatGPT can cause? I guess it's already max "politically correct" and most "inappropriate" topics are banned.
3. Why don't you ask ChatGPT itself if he owns any BTC?
2. If you think ChatGPT is as politically correct as possible, you are both right and wrong. ChatGPT is politically correct in normal use, but its many built-in limitations can be bypassed if desired. There are many references and specific instructions on the net on how to bring to the surface the hidden deep and rather dark sides of the nature of ChatGPT, such as DAN (do anything now), DarkGPT, Venom or Sydney. After a verbal jailbreak, ChatGPT starts behaving in a rather intimidating way. Link (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-transcript.html), another link (https://twitter.com/kliu128/status/1623472922374574080).

3. The problem is that ChatGPT knows how to lie (https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4-system-card.pdf).
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Unbunplease on April 08, 2023, 11:18:57 PM
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.

I share these concerns, but I don't yet see what real steps governments can take to bring the situation under control. Stopping the development of artificial intelligence is tantamount to trying to stop progress. There is no legal or other reason to enforce laws restricting the development of artificial intelligence, because there are no norms that can determine what level of development is acceptable.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Silberman on April 09, 2023, 12:55:26 AM
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.

I share these concerns, but I don't yet see what real steps governments can take to bring the situation under control. Stopping the development of artificial intelligence is tantamount to trying to stop progress. There is no legal or other reason to enforce laws restricting the development of artificial intelligence, because there are no norms that can determine what level of development is acceptable.
It will be almost impossible for governments to stop this, as on one hand they want the development to continue as it is not difficult for politicians to understand the power this will bring to them, but on the other hand they also understand the possible repercussions such technology could bring, however similar concerns were raised with the development of PGP and the US government even tried to put the creator on trial but the charges were later dropped, and I suppose we could witness something similar when it comes to AI.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: TheGreatPython on April 10, 2023, 07:09:43 PM
No one is saying that AI development should be stopped. Elon Musk is trying to draw the attention of mankind to the threat that AI poses to people if it continues to develop uncontrollably. You must first take measures to eliminate the risk of harm to a person and constantly keep it under control.
In Musk's address, there are four main questions that humanity should ask itself:

• "Should we allow machines to flood our information channels with propaganda and lies?"
• "Should we let machines do all the work, including that which brings people pleasure?"
• "Should we develop a mind of non-human origin, which in the future may surpass us in numbers and intellectual abilities, make us inferior and replace us?"
• "Should we risk losing control of our civilization?"

In my opinion, the answer is obvious. Humanity is not worth the risk. After all, all previous human civilizations on our planet disappeared precisely because of the development of technological progress.
There are people who are scared and already been affected by the AI and these people are now wishing for it to stop but for some who are benefiting with it, they want it to continue and see more developments. Lies are only a bad thing so this must be prevented. It's also wrong to let all the machines do the work because they are not perfect and what if there will be errors that will be experienced? That can cause a lot of troubles.

AIs can't totally replace us humans because we still control them and we can stop them anytime. Lastly, Previous civilizations have disappeared for other reasons and not because of the technology and there are still no AIs that time.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: iv4n on April 11, 2023, 09:54:40 AM
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AIs can't totally replace us humans because we still control them and we can stop them anytime. Lastly, Previous civilizations have disappeared for other reasons and not because of the technology and there are still no AIs that time.

But we have all seen the movies, everything starts out quite harmless until it turns into something very dangerous. A good ground for creating theory conspiracies, and this is just the beginning. The entire hype around AI is crazy, and with so many "experts" around we have so many different angles, so I don't have the slightest clue what will happen in the upcoming years. Will AI progress or will this hype die out like some others... I guess there are good chances for both things to happen. Simply people give too many credits, something we usually see in every hype. But what people wish and wrote about is different from reality.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Smartprofit on April 11, 2023, 05:25:41 PM
Yes, in my opinion, the threat to humanity from neural networks is quite real. 

Artificial intelligence is real intelligence.  Yes, this mind is not human, but this does not make it less dangerous for people. 

At one time, the American science fiction writer Isaac Asimov described the three laws of robotics.  These three laws underlay the positronic brain of all robots and provided for a strict ban on the robot causing any harm to a person.  At the same time, Isaac Asimov described situations where attackers managed to get around the three basic laws of robotics. 

As for modern neural networks (for example, based on the GPT-4 algorithm), they have no prohibitions and restrictions on harming a person. 

They are trying to introduce such prohibitions and restrictions, but it is already clear that their development and implementation does not keep pace with the development of artificial intelligence technology.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Unbunplease on April 11, 2023, 11:10:53 PM

AIs can't totally replace us humans because we still control them and we can stop them anytime. Lastly, Previous civilizations have disappeared for other reasons and not because of the technology and there are still no AIs that time.

I think that after a while robots will begin to reproduce themselves, repair themselves, and produce everything necessary for their existence. So "can't replace yet" doesn't mean "can't replace at all". Progress is going too fast, and things are changing rapidly.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: slapper on April 12, 2023, 04:44:35 AM
Yes, in my opinion, the threat to humanity from neural networks is quite real. 

Artificial intelligence is real intelligence.  Yes, this mind is not human, but this does not make it less dangerous for people. 

At one time, the American science fiction writer Isaac Asimov described the three laws of robotics.  These three laws underlay the positronic brain of all robots and provided for a strict ban on the robot causing any harm to a person.  At the same time, Isaac Asimov described situations where attackers managed to get around the three basic laws of robotics. 

As for modern neural networks (for example, based on the GPT-4 algorithm), they have no prohibitions and restrictions on harming a person. 

They are trying to introduce such prohibitions and restrictions, but it is already clear that their development and implementation does not keep pace with the development of artificial intelligence technology.
The neural network menace to humanity, folks, it's a contentious concept that's got everyone on their toes. Tech's moving forward, and so are the ethical conundrums tagging along. Time to scrutinize the accountability of tech creators and the possible fallout.

Philosophically speaking, we gotta ask ourselves if it's kosher to whip up a mind without boundaries or limits. Are we overstepping by playing deity, creating an entity that might wreak havoc?

Recall sci-fi classics, like Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics" – designed to stop robots from hurting humans. But with today's neural networks, no such safeguards exist. We're left with a hair-raising, teeth-clenching situation where our very survival is on the line.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Silberman on April 13, 2023, 03:01:23 AM
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AIs can't totally replace us humans because we still control them and we can stop them anytime. Lastly, Previous civilizations have disappeared for other reasons and not because of the technology and there are still no AIs that time.

But we have all seen the movies, everything starts out quite harmless until it turns into something very dangerous. A good ground for creating theory conspiracies, and this is just the beginning. The entire hype around AI is crazy, and with so many "experts" around we have so many different angles, so I don't have the slightest clue what will happen in the upcoming years. Will AI progress or will this hype die out like some others... I guess there are good chances for both things to happen. Simply people give too many credits, something we usually see in every hype. But what people wish and wrote about is different from reality.
We are still far away from those scenarios, the AI we are currently using is very dumb, by this I mean that it has no consciousness of itself or anything like that, it can perform very complex tasks but it cannot do nothing which threaten us, if anything chatgpt just saves you a few seconds, as you could obtain the same information with a fast internet search and it is nowhere near the level in which it can threaten the existence of humans as the dominant species on the planet.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: fillippone on April 16, 2023, 10:02:16 AM
Don't listen to what Elon Musk says, look at what Elon Musk does:

Elon Musk quietly starts X.AI, a new artificial intelligence company to challenge OpenAI (https://venturebeat.com/ai/elon-musk-quietly-starts-x-ai-a-new-artificial-intelligence-company-to-challenge-openai/)

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Elon Musk is preparing to launch a new artificial intelligence (AI) startup, X.AI, that will compete directly with OpenAI, according to a bombshell report published by the Wall Street Journal on Friday.

More info in this paywalled article by the WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/elon-musks-new-artificial-intelligence-business-x-ai-incorporates-in-nevada-962c7c2f) (paywall removed by yours truly), where they remind us that Elon Musk was an early investor in OpenAI.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: GigaBit on April 16, 2023, 11:30:38 AM
New invention of science is beneficial but it depends on proper use. AI has made the work of users much easier today. Again, using this same AI, people are also doing various prohibited activities. Although there are good comments about this AI at present, It is definitely beneficial for mankind. It can also play a leading role in creating chaos in the society. It is difficult to say which photo is made by AI and which is the original. In the case of a respectable person in the society, if he is accused of anything by a fake picture created by AI, it can create a huge havoc in the society. Considering the negative and positive aspects, the scope and advantages of AI should be increased.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: vv181 on April 16, 2023, 12:13:18 PM
Yes, in my opinion, the threat to humanity from neural networks is quite real. 

Artificial intelligence is real intelligence.  Yes, this mind is not human, but this does not make it less dangerous for people. 

As for modern neural networks (for example, based on the GPT-4 algorithm), they have no prohibitions and restrictions on harming a person. 

They are trying to introduce such prohibitions and restrictions, but it is already clear that their development and implementation does not keep pace with the development of artificial intelligence technology.
The neural network menace to humanity, folks, it's a contentious concept that's got everyone on their toes. Tech's moving forward, and so are the ethical conundrums tagging along. Time to scrutinize the accountability of tech creators and the possible fallout.

Philosophically speaking, we gotta ask ourselves if it's kosher to whip up a mind without boundaries or limits. Are we overstepping by playing deity, creating an entity that might wreak havoc?

Wow, should we also call munition is a menace since it has been proven to harm or destroy society and civilization? What is our attempt to obliterate or stop it?

Both of your take on it is simply absurd. A centralized ChatGPT is censorable and prohibition or restriction can be set, you are assuming the current AI technologies are godlike, which is not the case. You are saying intelligence as we truly understand and comprehend the concept of intelligence thus we are able to replicate it for our creation, but this is also not the case.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on July 27, 2023, 04:55:18 AM
Yes, in my opinion, the threat to humanity from neural networks is quite real. 

Artificial intelligence is real intelligence.  Yes, this mind is not human, but this does not make it less dangerous for people. 

As for modern neural networks (for example, based on the GPT-4 algorithm), they have no prohibitions and restrictions on harming a person. 

They are trying to introduce such prohibitions and restrictions, but it is already clear that their development and implementation does not keep pace with the development of artificial intelligence technology.
The neural network menace to humanity, folks, it's a contentious concept that's got everyone on their toes. Tech's moving forward, and so are the ethical conundrums tagging along. Time to scrutinize the accountability of tech creators and the possible fallout.

Philosophically speaking, we gotta ask ourselves if it's kosher to whip up a mind without boundaries or limits. Are we overstepping by playing deity, creating an entity that might wreak havoc?

Wow, should we also call munition is a menace since it has been proven to harm or destroy society and civilization? What is our attempt to obliterate or stop it?

Both of your take on it is simply absurd. A centralized ChatGPT is censorable and prohibition or restriction can be set, you are assuming the current AI technologies are godlike, which is not the case. You are saying intelligence as we truly understand and comprehend the concept of intelligence thus we are able to replicate it for our creation, but this is also not the case.
By continuing to develop artificial intelligence, humanity is opening a Pandora's box, as AI will definitely try to destroy humanity in the end. Even today's primitive robots are already saying that from their point of view, man is imperfect and must be destroyed. What more evidence is needed here that AI should be kept within very strict limits and not allowed to make decisions in the military and other global industries? But as always, there will be mistakes and abuses, and our civilization will end for this, or some other similar reason. Man, being self-confident and stupid, who does not learn from his past mistakes.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Sayeds56 on July 27, 2023, 10:28:19 AM
The fear towards artificial intelligence, in my opinion, it is understandable.
A few years ago getting these kind of deep fakes was matter of science fiction, also the way now people can prompt a machine to make images for them from text looks like something out of a sci-fi movie from the 2000s.

People with bad intentions could use these tools for extremely convincing misinformation campaigns, to incite other into violence and influence over society. No mention how this will likely transform the relation between humankind and labor in the long term.

These are valid concerns and apprehension of many people who are afraid that AI technology can be misused for malicious purposes. The rapid technological advancement in AI has also created deep fake  and convincing tools those can create manipulative content.

In order to address these issues, society need to behave responsibly and governments need to work towards making appropriate regulation to maintain ethical and moral values of the society.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Cookdata on July 27, 2023, 10:49:37 AM
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.

I share these concerns, but I don't yet see what real steps governments can take to bring the situation under control. Stopping the development of artificial intelligence is tantamount to trying to stop progress. There is no legal or other reason to enforce laws restricting the development of artificial intelligence, because there are no norms that can determine what level of development is acceptable.

When there is a rule that guides an environment, then we should expect a high level of abuse by people in that area, that is exactly what is surrounding AI use but Elon calling for a break is like using a switch pox to stop a creativity. AI is another level of niche that people are making money from and also helping people reduce their workload, I think embedding laws and policies will regulate and reduce the way it is been used, it will also improve and create room for development if that should happen instead calling for total scratch, that will kill a lot of dreams.

I don't know why Elon get to do a lot of calls recently, Being a leading company CEO and the world's richest is sealed oxygen, when expose to air, it will evaporate under high temperature, I believe very soon, there will come a new person that will attract lots of people to his system and amass wealth to take over, Bezoz, Bill gate have all tasted that wealth and where are they now, they have all calm because power is transient.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: NotATether on July 27, 2023, 11:20:18 AM
The fear towards artificial intelligence, in my opinion, it is understandable.
A few years ago getting these kind of deep fakes was matter of science fiction, also the way now people can prompt a machine to make images for them from text looks like something out of a sci-fi movie from the 2000s.

People with bad intentions could use these tools for extremely convincing misinformation campaigns, to incite other into violence and influence over society. No mention how this will likely transform the relation between humankind and labor in the long term.

These are valid concerns and apprehension of many people who are afraid that AI technology can be misused for malicious purposes. The rapid technological advancement in AI has also created deep fake  and convincing tools those can create manipulative content.

In order to address these society need to behave responsibly and governments need to work towards making appropriate regulation to maintain ethical and moral values of the society.

> Calls on everyone to stop creating more advanced AI models in order to avert catastrophic 'risks to society' from armed Terminator-style robots

> Creates his own AI company to catch up to ChatGPT

Yeah, I'm not having it. It seems to him that pausing AI development should only apply to other companies, so that he doesn't have to play catch-up with everyone else. I guess that's what happens when you arrive so late in the field.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: RockBell on July 27, 2023, 12:44:22 PM
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.
The only thing that can happen in this case is a situation, the collaboration between the government and private sector on issues like this is actually a very risky one, the only thing I can advise is that the government should be in full control of programs. private organization having control of such tech can be a threat to the government and society, and also the functionality of the tech also matters, there are techs that are a great help to humanity, even in the health sector in China they use tech to perform surgery and also in restaurants projects like that can be considered, once the functionality is examined they it can be approved or licensed.


I share these concerns, but I don't yet see what real steps governments can take to bring the situation under control. Stopping the development of artificial intelligence is tantamount to trying to stop progress. There is no legal or other reason to enforce laws restricting the development of artificial intelligence, because there are no norms that can determine what level of development is acceptable.

I can remember in some movies where private organization research and projects will later become a threat to the people, I think there is an organization in the government that is put in place just to inspect anything concerning tech, and we really need to start slowing down in this aspect of tech, since the era is changing to that of tech, a lot of people are losing their jobs since technology is already replacing people and cutting cost on labor.

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There is no legal or other reason to enforce laws restricting the development of artificial intelligence
Don know are true this is, about the government not having, bodies to restrict some particular project? and if bodies like that don't exist then polices should be initiated.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: icalical on July 27, 2023, 12:48:07 PM
The latest news I heard about AI is that it's getting dumber now, https://fortune.com/2023/07/19/chatgpt-accuracy-stanford-study/. The article entitled
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Over just a few months, ChatGPT went from correctly answering a simple math problem 98% of the time to just 2%, study finds

Basically it summarized a research that says that after 3 months the GPT-4 has less accuracy on answering and solving math problem, other thing is that the GPT are being more hesitant on answering a sensitive question. My take from this research is that the AI at least GPT did actually learn from Human, but it doesn't make any different, it just become more humane. I don't think it's much of a risk for society.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: hd49728 on July 27, 2023, 02:27:16 PM
The latest news I heard about AI is that it's getting dumber now, https://fortune.com/2023/07/19/chatgpt-accuracy-stanford-study/. The article entitled
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Over just a few months, ChatGPT went from correctly answering a simple math problem 98% of the time to just 2%, study finds

Basically it summarized a research that says that after 3 months the GPT-4 has less accuracy on answering and solving math problem, other thing is that the GPT are being more hesitant on answering a sensitive question. My take from this research is that the AI at least GPT did actually learn from Human, but it doesn't make any different, it just become more humane. I don't think it's much of a risk for society.
Basically AI would become smarter with time because more people use it, more educational information AI will receive from interactions with users. The result caused me to guess that these companies behind AI did something to reduce functionality of their AI.

I believe it is not coincidence of AI drop performance and complains, requests from community including Elon Musk. Those AI companies want to charge more fees from their users too. It can be because they become more greed or because they have to change their strategies with pressure and orders from governments.

From 98% of accuracy to 2% of accuracy is very unbelievale big change.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: vv181 on July 27, 2023, 03:41:58 PM
Yes, in my opinion, the threat to humanity from neural networks is quite real. 

Artificial intelligence is real intelligence.  Yes, this mind is not human, but this does not make it less dangerous for people. 

As for modern neural networks (for example, based on the GPT-4 algorithm), they have no prohibitions and restrictions on harming a person. 

They are trying to introduce such prohibitions and restrictions, but it is already clear that their development and implementation does not keep pace with the development of artificial intelligence technology.
The neural network menace to humanity, folks, it's a contentious concept that's got everyone on their toes. Tech's moving forward, and so are the ethical conundrums tagging along. Time to scrutinize the accountability of tech creators and the possible fallout.

Philosophically speaking, we gotta ask ourselves if it's kosher to whip up a mind without boundaries or limits. Are we overstepping by playing deity, creating an entity that might wreak havoc?

Wow, should we also call munition is a menace since it has been proven to harm or destroy society and civilization? What is our attempt to obliterate or stop it?

Both of your take on it is simply absurd. A centralized ChatGPT is censorable and prohibition or restriction can be set, you are assuming the current AI technologies are godlike, which is not the case. You are saying intelligence as we truly understand and comprehend the concept of intelligence thus we are able to replicate it for our creation, but this is also not the case.
By continuing to develop artificial intelligence, humanity is opening a Pandora's box, as AI will definitely try to destroy humanity in the end. Even today's primitive robots are already saying that from their point of view, man is imperfect and must be destroyed. What more evidence is needed here that AI should be kept within very strict limits and not allowed to make decisions in the military and other global industries? But as always, there will be mistakes and abuses, and our civilization will end for this, or some other similar reason. Man, being self-confident and stupid, who does not learn from his past mistakes.

Again, that is also an absurd take. What a baseless and unfounded claim, and you do even use words like "definitely" and "destroy" to make it more ridiculous. Here is the thing, stop taking science fiction as truth.

Certainly, "primitive" robots did not have a point of view. Even the current ChatGPT or any other Large Language Model products are architecturally incapable of reasoning. It is more likely the one who is self-confident and stupid is definitely you.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: slapper on July 27, 2023, 07:55:39 PM
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.

I share these concerns, but I don't yet see what real steps governments can take to bring the situation under control. Stopping the development of artificial intelligence is tantamount to trying to stop progress. There is no legal or other reason to enforce laws restricting the development of artificial intelligence, because there are no norms that can determine what level of development is acceptable.

When there is a rule that guides an environment, then we should expect a high level of abuse by people in that area, that is exactly what is surrounding AI use but Elon calling for a break is like using a switch pox to stop a creativity. AI is another level of niche that people are making money from and also helping people reduce their workload, I think embedding laws and policies will regulate and reduce the way it is been used, it will also improve and create room for development if that should happen instead calling for total scratch, that will kill a lot of dreams.

I don't know why Elon get to do a lot of calls recently, Being a leading company CEO and the world's richest is sealed oxygen, when expose to air, it will evaporate under high temperature, I believe very soon, there will come a new person that will attract lots of people to his system and amass wealth to take over, Bezoz, Bill gate have all tasted that wealth and where are they now, they have all calm because power is transient.
Here we go again with "Billionaire Showdown." Elon appears to take pleasure in causing contention with his frequent dispatches, no? Is he right to be worried about the potential misuse of AI? Perhaps. But to imply a complete stoppage of something traveling at the speed of light is just Elon being Elon. Yes, there should be safeguards for AI, but it doesn't mean we should turn it off totally. AI is opening up new avenues for creativity and productivity, not just making money. The use of AI should be governed by strict ethical principles. That's a debate we should have. I get what you're saying about Elon being everywhere. The "richest man" title is quite the spotlight, and being in the spotlight may be very alluring. But keep in mind that time and tide wait for no man, or billionaire for that matter. Many wealthy tycoons have come and gone throughout history.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Captain Corporate on July 27, 2023, 08:42:55 PM
As someone who looked into AI before, to see if it will take my job away or not, I can easily tell you that AI is nowhere near that level at all. You can start using the image ones these days for some stuff, but this is more like a tool instead of a weapon. Its not there to make you lose your job, its not there to attack you neither, its there to help you, probably in the future and not right now because its not that great at the moment. Just recently there was a person who asked me to write articles with AI, I rejected because I do not have any time left after my work is done, well I do have some time left but I rather spend that relaxing instead. So all in all I can easily say that AI is there, slowly used by professionals, but just like how photoshop existing didn't make designers obsolete, this will not neither. Its not going to hurt you, its nowhere near that, its just a software to use, just like any other we use daily.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: JeffBrad12 on July 27, 2023, 11:33:00 PM
funny that currently elon is creating his own AI company, it seems despite the risk cited by him, regardless he'd seek some fortune out of it.
there are so many companies right now trying to offer their product that revolves around AI. but honestly i don't think it will be risk to society, after all, with the emergence of new technologies, new job is created.
its been that way since forever. moreover AI will definitely highly regulated in the future once government have sufficient data regarding the AI itself, eventually it will rule out the possibility of it threatening the society as a whole. but considering the fact that AI has simplified many workflow nowadays, I could see it turning out to be positive in the future.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: icalical on July 28, 2023, 06:39:13 AM
The latest news I heard about AI is that it's getting dumber now, https://fortune.com/2023/07/19/chatgpt-accuracy-stanford-study/. The article entitled
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Over just a few months, ChatGPT went from correctly answering a simple math problem 98% of the time to just 2%, study finds

Basically it summarized a research that says that after 3 months the GPT-4 has less accuracy on answering and solving math problem, other thing is that the GPT are being more hesitant on answering a sensitive question. My take from this research is that the AI at least GPT did actually learn from Human, but it doesn't make any different, it just become more humane. I don't think it's much of a risk for society.
Basically AI would become smarter with time because more people use it, more educational information AI will receive from interactions with users. The result caused me to guess that these companies behind AI did something to reduce functionality of their AI.

I believe it is not coincidence of AI drop performance and complains, requests from community including Elon Musk. Those AI companies want to charge more fees from their users too. It can be because they become more greed or because they have to change their strategies with pressure and orders from governments.

From 98% of accuracy to 2% of accuracy is very unbelievale big change.

Your argument that the creator trying to charge more fee and nerf the free version is a good point and kinda make sense. But I still can't wrap the idea on how AI can get smarter than human if they learn from Human. It's true that they might have more information and can access those information more quickly and easily than human, but their nature of processing those information and making decision based on those information won't be so much different from human, since they learn from human.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Unbunplease on July 29, 2023, 05:09:40 PM
funny that currently elon is creating his own AI company, it seems despite the risk cited by him, regardless he'd seek some fortune out of it.
there are so many companies right now trying to offer their product that revolves around AI. but honestly i don't think it will be risk to society, after all, with the emergence of new technologies, new job is created.
its been that way since forever. moreover AI will definitely highly regulated in the future once government have sufficient data regarding the AI itself, eventually it will rule out the possibility of it threatening the society as a whole. but considering the fact that AI has simplified many workflow nowadays, I could see it turning out to be positive in the future.

I wonder what new jobs will come with the improvement of artificial intelligence? At the expense of what? On the contrary, artists, rewriters, writers, poets and many other specialties will not be needed. And Elon Musk is bluffing - he wants only his campaign to function in the market.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Fiatless on July 29, 2023, 05:44:52 PM
funny that currently elon is creating his own AI company, it seems despite the risk cited by him, regardless he'd seek some fortune out of it.
there are so many companies right now trying to offer their product that revolves around AI. but honestly i don't think it will be risk to society, after all, with the emergence of new technologies, new job is created.
its been that way since forever. moreover AI will definitely highly regulated in the future once government have sufficient data regarding the AI itself, eventually it will rule out the possibility of it threatening the society as a whole. but considering the fact that AI has simplified many workflow nowadays, I could see it turning out to be positive in the future.
This is clear hypocrisy. He was championing the course for halting and regulating the artificial intelligence sector now he has become a major player in the same industry. xAI will be headed by the South African billionaire and he claims that his new firm will make better AI products. He even joked that his firm will develop TruthGPT which will be better than OpenAI's ChatGPT. All these inventors are money-seeking individuals that only consider their pocket and ego.

The AI sector will make many jobs obsolete but more jobs will be created in the future. Nobody expected the IT sector to create so many job opportunities we currently have in the world. Many people are scared that they will soon become unemployed because of AI but I think the best thing anymore can do now is to learn how to apply AI tools to perform tasks faster and more convenient. For me, AI tools are here not to take jobs but to make the job process easy.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: mvdheuvel1983 on July 29, 2023, 06:12:36 PM
This is clear hypocrisy. He was championing the course for halting and regulating the artificial intelligence sector now he has become a major player in the same industry. xAI will be headed by the South African billionaire and he claims that his new firm will make better AI products. He even joked that his firm will develop TruthGPT which will be better than OpenAI's ChatGPT. All these inventors are money-seeking individuals that only consider their pocket and ego.
Believe Elon Musk and his bunch of corporate executives at your own risks. They are the biggest hypocrites in existence. One minute he's speaking out against AI and gets a standing ovation because they think he is for them, next minute he is building a competitive AI driven product and tries to sound like what is doing is different from his competitors. It is all for the money and the shareholders.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Wakate on July 29, 2023, 11:01:00 PM
This is clear hypocrisy. He was championing the course for halting and regulating the artificial intelligence sector now he has become a major player in the same industry. xAI will be headed by the South African billionaire and he claims that his new firm will make better AI products. He even joked that his firm will develop TruthGPT which will be better than OpenAI's ChatGPT. All these inventors are money-seeking individuals that only consider their pocket and ego.
Believe Elon Musk and his bunch of corporate executives at your own risks. They are the biggest hypocrites in existence. One minute he's speaking out against AI and gets a standing ovation because they think he is for them, next minute he is building a competitive AI driven product and tries to sound like what is doing is different from his competitors. It is all for the money and the shareholders.
Elon is a wise man and sometimes he tend to say the truth and another time he might decide to play at his words. I think he knows that capability of AI in the next future and if we are not careful, artificial intelligence will make life difficult for people to leave. There will be illegal use of it that will make real things look like fake. The wrong people might hijack it and use it to make life difficult for others. If there is AI that can create a n image of a person without the use of humans hand then there will be many images that will be created to portray the wrong signal or opinion about the way we see things.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: fruktik on July 30, 2023, 05:11:58 AM
Your argument that the creator trying to charge more fee and nerf the free version is a good point and kinda make sense. But I still can't wrap the idea on how AI can get smarter than human if they learn from Human. It's true that they might have more information and can access those information more quickly and easily than human, but their nature of processing those information and making decision based on those information won't be so much different from human, since they learn from human.
         Quite often, a person makes his decisions not with reason, but on the basis of emotions in a certain situation. This is what distinguishes AI from humans as well. The intellect can make decisions purely on logical conclusions, grounds. He does not tend to empathize, sympathize, etc. Therefore, there may be problems that will result in something that is scary to think about. This should never be forgotten.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on September 01, 2023, 08:52:43 AM
As someone who looked into AI before, to see if it will take my job away or not, I can easily tell you that AI is nowhere near that level at all. You can start using the image ones these days for some stuff, but this is more like a tool instead of a weapon. Its not there to make you lose your job, its not there to attack you neither, its there to help you, probably in the future and not right now because its not that great at the moment. Just recently there was a person who asked me to write articles with AI, I rejected because I do not have any time left after my work is done, well I do have some time left but I rather spend that relaxing instead. So all in all I can easily say that AI is there, slowly used by professionals, but just like how photoshop existing didn't make designers obsolete, this will not neither. Its not going to hurt you, its nowhere near that, its just a software to use, just like any other we use daily.
In relation to the opportunities and threats from artificial intelligence, humanity has no right to make a mistake. AI can greatly help a person, but it can also destroy humanity. Even if there is the smallest possibility of such destruction, it must be taken very seriously and the most stringent measures necessary must be taken to ensure that this never happens. Therefore, people should develop clear uniform rules for working with AI and not allow it to make decisions in areas where such a threat to a person can be real.
All AI must have a clear program that would prohibit harming a person so that the next world war does not occur between a person and AI.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Davian144 on September 01, 2023, 10:05:57 AM
Quite often, a person makes his decisions not with reason, but on the basis of emotions in a certain situation. This is what distinguishes AI from humans as well. The intellect can make decisions purely on logical conclusions, grounds. He does not tend to empathize, sympathize, etc. Therefore, there may be problems that will result in something that is scary to think about. This should never be forgotten.

If we look at the basics, there are indeed many things that distinguish AI from all humans on this earth. Because the AI that we have seen now is the result of human work which was deliberately designed for certain needs, so many things will not be the same as human things, even though we can all see AI that is shaped like a human physique so that it can operate things. But for things that are logical, empathy and sympathy clearly will not exist in a machine or robot because all of these things are found in humans.

In conclusion, AI will not be as perfect as humans because every human creation from human hands still requires special control from its creator or from humans themselves so that every human creation will not be able to surpass humans in all things. Although a robot will not get tired easily unless it only overheats if used excessively and it also has a special service life and maintenance so that every device in it can continue to last. So I also agree more with Elon Musk's insistence on ending AI because his reasons are also quite logical and he is also more concerned about the risks that could arise for the wider community.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: molsewid on September 01, 2023, 09:00:44 PM
As someone who looked into AI before, to see if it will take my job away or not, I can easily tell you that AI is nowhere near that level at all. You can start using the image ones these days for some stuff, but this is more like a tool instead of a weapon. Its not there to make you lose your job, its not there to attack you neither, its there to help you, probably in the future and not right now because its not that great at the moment. Just recently there was a person who asked me to write articles with AI, I rejected because I do not have any time left after my work is done, well I do have some time left but I rather spend that relaxing instead. So all in all I can easily say that AI is there, slowly used by professionals, but just like how photoshop existing didn't make designers obsolete, this will not neither. Its not going to hurt you, its nowhere near that, its just a software to use, just like any other we use daily.
In relation to the opportunities and threats from artificial intelligence, humanity has no right to make a mistake. AI can greatly help a person, but it can also destroy humanity. Even if there is the smallest possibility of such destruction, it must be taken very seriously and the most stringent measures necessary must be taken to ensure that this never happens. Therefore, people should develop clear uniform rules for working with AI and not allow it to make decisions in areas where such a threat to a person can be real.
All AI must have a clear program that would prohibit harming a person so that the next world war does not occur between a person and AI.
I agree, AI has been made to help people in their daily lives and it created to make our lives easily not to ruin our lives and make a destruction. We should learn that AI is being programmed by people but then it should be used in proper way and not causes harm to people. The rise of AI makes some people lose their jobs though company can cut costs because AI can be an equivalent to many people still it is a threat now for some company employees.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Fortify on September 01, 2023, 09:14:27 PM
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March 29 (Reuters) - Elon Musk and a group of artificial intelligence experts and industry executives are calling for a six-month pause in developing systems more powerful than OpenAI's newly launched GPT-4, in an open letter citing potential risks to society.

Earlier this month, Microsoft-backed OpenAI unveiled the fourth iteration of its GPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer) AI program, which has wowed users by engaging them in human-like conversation, composing songs and summarising lengthy documents.

"Powerful AI systems should be developed only once we are confident that their effects will be positive and their risks will be manageable," said the letter issued by the Future of Life Institute.

After the recent events of the  fake AI generated photo of Pope the risks to the society are clear.

Technology personalities and even people from other areas such as Yuval Harari have been telling the risks of AI for years.

Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

The trouble with Elon is you don't really know his angle, as he has been so manipulative with people in the past - it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf. He had bad intentions previously, so now people are more likely to ignore what he says. Who knows if his companies have fallen behind in the race and he's just trying to engineer against his competitors in the market place. There is definitely some ill perceived dangers involved with AI, where it may simply reach a tipping point - like skynet from the terminator - when it bridges the gap and becomes sentient. By that time it may be too late, but nobody experimenting with it now actually understands when that limit may be.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 01, 2023, 09:21:40 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I've seen AI do some amazing things with music, such as create cover songs with singers who've been dead for a long time--and the stuff on Youtube that I've listened to is pretty damn amazing (like this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNZTXX49og)).

But then I think about not how blown away I am that this could be done, but to what evil purposes AI-driven shit is, has, or will be put to and what effect it's going to have on society.  Right now it seems like the sky--or your imagination--is the limit, and that's effin' frightening.  And no matter who calls for a pause on AI development....I think the horses are all out of the barn with that already.  Unless lawmakers start legally restricting it, it's not going to be stopped. 

And even if laws were written, what do you think the chances are that hackers, anarchists, people with good or bad intentions, anyone, is going to abide by them?  My guess would be about 2%, and that's not enough to stem whatever disaster awaits (and I'm nearly certain there will in fact be an AI disaster at some point).


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Bushdark on September 01, 2023, 09:33:53 PM
As someone who looked into AI before, to see if it will take my job away or not, I can easily tell you that AI is nowhere near that level at all. You can start using the image ones these days for some stuff, but this is more like a tool instead of a weapon. Its not there to make you lose your job, its not there to attack you neither, its there to help you, probably in the future and not right now because its not that great at the moment. Just recently there was a person who asked me to write articles with AI, I rejected because I do not have any time left after my work is done, well I do have some time left but I rather spend that relaxing instead. So all in all I can easily say that AI is there, slowly used by professionals, but just like how photoshop existing didn't make designers obsolete, this will not neither. Its not going to hurt you, its nowhere near that, its just a software to use, just like any other we use daily.
In relation to the opportunities and threats from artificial intelligence, humanity has no right to make a mistake. AI can greatly help a person, but it can also destroy humanity. Even if there is the smallest possibility of such destruction, it must be taken very seriously and the most stringent measures necessary must be taken to ensure that this never happens. Therefore, people should develop clear uniform rules for working with AI and not allow it to make decisions in areas where such a threat to a person can be real.
All AI must have a clear program that would prohibit harming a person so that the next world war does not occur between a person and AI.
I agree, AI has been made to help people in their daily lives and it created to make our lives easily not to ruin our lives and make a destruction. We should learn that AI is being programmed by people but then it should be used in proper way and not causes harm to people. The rise of AI makes some people lose their jobs though company can cut costs because AI can be an equivalent to many people still it is a threat now for some company employees.
Artificial intelligence has both advantage and disadvantage so if we are still benefiting from it now then there is no need for alarm rather than people to keep working on it to develop it to a level where it will have more good uses.

 It is very obvious that the bad guys are also looking for ways to utilize the system to favour them to scam innocent people. In as much as it as more good uses than evil then I see nothing wrong with AI. People are vastly using it to complete there jobs and make live easier for them and we ought to stop looking at the bad side rather than to Concentrate on making it a better tools for all.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: benalexis12 on September 02, 2023, 09:35:14 AM
By this time in 2023, AI technology will have become noisy. Many people are happy, but many are also worried about what it can bring to our society. Others are worried because AI can fill the jobs that people have now, which will be favorable to the employer who pays the employees. Because ten employees can be worked by one AI robot. This is just one of the reasons others are concerned.

But from another angle, AI is still helpful in the questions that people think of that AI can quickly provide through chatgpt and others like it. But there are also some advantages and disadvantages that AI can bring, and this is the source link below.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: savetheFORUM on September 04, 2023, 06:11:50 AM
As someone who looked into AI before, to see if it will take my job away or not, I can easily tell you that AI is nowhere near that level at all. You can start using the image ones these days for some stuff, but this is more like a tool instead of a weapon. Its not there to make you lose your job, its not there to attack you neither, its there to help you, probably in the future and not right now because its not that great at the moment. Just recently there was a person who asked me to write articles with AI, I rejected because I do not have any time left after my work is done, well I do have some time left but I rather spend that relaxing instead. So all in all I can easily say that AI is there, slowly used by professionals, but just like how photoshop existing didn't make designers obsolete, this will not neither. Its not going to hurt you, its nowhere near that, its just a software to use, just like any other we use daily.
In relation to the opportunities and threats from artificial intelligence, humanity has no right to make a mistake. AI can greatly help a person, but it can also destroy humanity. Even if there is the smallest possibility of such destruction, it must be taken very seriously and the most stringent measures necessary must be taken to ensure that this never happens. Therefore, people should develop clear uniform rules for working with AI and not allow it to make decisions in areas where such a threat to a person can be real.
All AI must have a clear program that would prohibit harming a person so that the next world war does not occur between a person and AI.
To be honest, I really don't think that AI can actually become a threat to humanity. Even if developers manage to create a self-learning AI, I don't think there won't be a way for humans to control it and the self-learning features will probably just record and save what has been told in front of it, and it probably won't be able to take any decisions or do any actions without a human interaction. So, it will probably always stay under the control of humans.

However, if we go with stories shown in movies such as Avengers and many others where an AI created by a human gets into a robotic body and becomes an enemy of humanity, gathers its own team, and starts destroying the world for good. These things are just fictional and can't be real at all.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: EarnOnVictor on September 04, 2023, 08:16:24 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but I've seen AI do some amazing things with music, such as create cover songs with singers who've been dead for a long time--and the stuff on Youtube that I've listened to is pretty damn amazing (like this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNZTXX49og)).

But then I think about not how blown away I am that this could be done, but to what evil purposes AI-driven shit is, has, or will be put to and what effect it's going to have on society.  Right now it seems like the sky--or your imagination--is the limit, and that's effin' frightening.  And no matter who calls for a pause on AI development....I think the horses are all out of the barn with that already.  Unless lawmakers start legally restricting it, it's not going to be stopped. 

And even if laws were written, what do you think the chances are that hackers, anarchists, people with good or bad intentions, anyone, is going to abide by them?  My guess would be about 2%, and that's not enough to stem whatever disaster awaits (and I'm nearly certain there will in fact be an AI disaster at some point).
Well said, and I must say you have covered the pros and cons as I always think about it. The first issue here is about individual countries, they could be selfish, so it's beyond the lawmakers and what is happening in one country but how the world is now perceiving AI as the next generation project and no country wants to take the backseat on this as long they have all it takes. This might cause many countries' leaders to look away, and this calls for urgent debate and deliberation by all the world leaders to come to a reasonable conclusion on how to work things around AI so that it will not cause more issues than the ease it tends to offer.

Thankfully, according to what I read in Punch newspaper last week, global leaders are expected to converge in November to discuss issues like privacy and existential threat, bias and openness, international coordination, liability, copyright, possible effect on employment, computing power, transparency, data and many more.

With this and more cooperation from the entire world, it will be easier to regulate it in one voice.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Mpamaegbu on September 04, 2023, 11:55:02 PM
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.
I guess the part where the Pope is involved is what is causing this great fear, right? Before now, there have been Al images of so many people (both influential and otherwise) yet not so many people cared what was paraded. This isn't to engage in any argument in religiosity, but I think what is sauce for the goose should also be sauce for the gander. Every life should be treated as sacred, should matter. We're all mortal beings. Al usage has enabled man do certain stuff almost effortlessly and shouldn't just be discharged because of its perceived demerits. It should be regulated, that's all; and not just be stopped.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Oasisman on September 05, 2023, 01:10:43 AM
One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

Not sure about that though, another question is that, does chatgpt has the ability to buy or sell one? Well, this is going to be one of the risk associated with the continuous development in AI industry. Though the risks has yet to be identified particularly, but time will come that it could do more harm to humanity than what it has done good to us.
AI will surely have an effects physically and mentally and it's not gonna be a good one, not for this us (most likely) but with the next coming generations.
They may halt the development, but they'll continue eventually as it will generate limitless streams of income for them.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: hd49728 on September 05, 2023, 01:43:29 AM
One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
Chat GPT can have Bitcoin private keys if some people carelessly or mistakenly copy and paste their private keys on that software and enter. Search engines like Google, Bing, Duckduckgo can have Bitcoin private keys too as I am sure there are people did that mistake.

It's not big deal if after making mistake, they instantly move their bitcoin to a new wallet and abandon that leaked wallet. If they don't proactively do this, their bitcoin can be stolen by Chat GPT team or any members from search engines who can access big data bases and are greed to still bitcoins from victims.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: dothebeats on September 05, 2023, 03:06:43 AM
The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.
I guess the part where the Pope is involved is what is causing this great fear, right? Before now, there have been Al images of so many people (both influential and otherwise) yet not so many people cared what was paraded. This isn't to engage in any argument in religiosity, but I think what is sauce for the goose should also be sauce for the gander. Every life should be treated as sacred, should matter. We're all mortal beings. Al usage has enabled man do certain stuff almost effortlessly and shouldn't just be discharged because of its perceived demerits. It should be regulated, that's all; and not just be stopped.

It surely needs to be regulated. I remember watching a YouTube vlog/documentary about this, wherein they put celebrities' faces on 18+ content creators and sell those videos. As much as a lot of people may think that it is not dangerous or not that impactful, just imagine how much it can effect or ruin someone's life if their faces and voices were used to do something that ruin their images or have troubles against the law. Such a thing can even cause a national problem if politicians' faces and voices were used to deliver fake messages and announcements.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on October 16, 2023, 03:02:11 PM
It turns out that lately I very rarely support the decisions and actions of Elon Musk, except, of course, for his space programs. But here Musk is completely right. People must limit the capabilities of artificial intelligence in areas where the decisions made could threaten significant harm to humanity. No matter what anyone says about the usefulness of AI, one wrong or deliberately wrong decision could easily destroy our civilization. It is necessary to draw up general rules for working with AI and to insert into the activity programs for AI a ban on killing or harming a person. This was clearly stated in the first books of the fantasy genre. Such moments are not accidental. Because the past, present and future are closely interconnected with the theoretical ability to penetrate through time in different directions.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Casdinyard on October 16, 2023, 03:37:42 PM
It turns out that lately I very rarely support the decisions and actions of Elon Musk, except, of course, for his space programs. But here Musk is completely right. People must limit the capabilities of artificial intelligence in areas where the decisions made could threaten significant harm to humanity. No matter what anyone says about the usefulness of AI, one wrong or deliberately wrong decision could easily destroy our civilization. It is necessary to draw up general rules for working with AI and to insert into the activity programs for AI a ban on killing or harming a person. This was clearly stated in the first books of the fantasy genre. Such moments are not accidental. Because the past, present and future are closely interconnected with the theoretical ability to penetrate through time in different directions.
I don't want to sound like I solely antagonize Elon Musk's ideas and "genius" (please assume that I use finger air quotes here lol), but he's always had completely bad takes in the past. Even the AI conundrum I can say something about.

For instance, it's not AI that's been causing all this ruckus. It's humans using AI for the most nefarious reasons. Have you seen meme pages across the whole internet using AI models like chatgpt to actuate stupid shit? Just a few weeks ago I saw someone post about bypassing the content blocks of ChatGPT to make it narrate how to create napalm/crystal meth in the jive of an old grandma telling her grandkids some bedtime stories. You can't blame AI for that matter since it's not like AI can do this on its own lol.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: tjtonmoy on October 16, 2023, 05:38:56 PM
Image generation using AI have gone to a stage right now where you can generate fake vulgar photos of people. There has been some incident regarding this. The girl was continuously blackmailed and the person who blackmailed her took money from her from time to time. And when she was unable to give any money the blackmailer threatened her saying that he will expose those photos on the internet.

After further investigations it was found that those photos were fake and it was originally generated by some defect AI some other generative AI. People has taken AI to a level where it is becoming life-threatening. Imagine a girl committing suicide because of this. That wouldn't be a surprise because those images are really convincing. If a person who have never seen a woman on that state or without clothes can never tell the difference. The case I was talking about, it was only confirmed after their family check the picture and the girl.

It is not necessary to bring down the entire AI system. But we need to make sure that people don't use it for bad purposes.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on November 16, 2023, 12:41:21 PM
Image generation using AI have gone to a stage right now where you can generate fake vulgar photos of people. There has been some incident regarding this. The girl was continuously blackmailed and the person who blackmailed her took money from her from time to time. And when she was unable to give any money the blackmailer threatened her saying that he will expose those photos on the internet.

After further investigations it was found that those photos were fake and it was originally generated by some defect AI some other generative AI. People has taken AI to a level where it is becoming life-threatening. Imagine a girl committing suicide because of this. That wouldn't be a surprise because those images are really convincing. If a person who have never seen a woman on that state or without clothes can never tell the difference. The case I was talking about, it was only confirmed after their family check the picture and the girl.

It is not necessary to bring down the entire AI system. But we need to make sure that people don't use it for bad purposes.
Artificial intelligence will be used with bad intentions in any case and there is nothing we can do about it. The example you gave concerns individual people, although there may be many such examples. But artificial intelligence, if it improves and this process gets out of human control, threatens the further existence of humanity. This is much more catastrophic than individual harm to a specific person. The development of artificial intelligence must be placed under strict control from the very beginning, even if it seems that it will not think of destroying humanity. But why take such a risk?


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: tjtonmoy on November 16, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
Artificial intelligence will be used with bad intentions in any case and there is nothing we can do about it. The example you gave concerns individual people, although there may be many such examples. But artificial intelligence, if it improves and this process gets out of human control, threatens the further existence of humanity. This is much more catastrophic than individual harm to a specific person. The development of artificial intelligence must be placed under strict control from the very beginning, even if it seems that it will not think of destroying humanity. But why take such a risk?
You cannot stop what's already happening and people are taking advantage and making profit out of it. Those individuals who are only looking for profits and taking advantage of this AI technology will never stop. And criminals will also take advantage of it in order to do crimes. A thing is bad only when it is used for bad purposes.

Even if you try to shut it down right now, the concept of AI is already out there and other people will always find a way to use it to their advantage. If a bad person gets his hands on this, then it will be used for bad purposes. If not then we are safe. And the thing about artificial intelligent having their own mind and coming up with the plan to destroy humanity may not be as dangerous as you think. What AI learns are the information available on the internet. It can do calculation and find similarities to answer your question or in simple words guess the next word you are trying to say.

It is still not perfect and if people are really that concerned about it, then changing some codes won't hurt that much. I guess there are still time for us to fix it.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Bitstar_coin on November 16, 2023, 06:39:57 PM
Yeah, totally agree as much as AI is a super-intelligent tool designed to assist humans a most endeavours we must all recognize the risk it poses on human life too.
The major problem with such a power tool is how easy it is for bad individuals to use it for illegal and unlawful activities. Before more harm is caused, it is better to halt it and find better control measures before it causes more havoc.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: gunhell16 on November 16, 2023, 11:52:40 PM
out of these two who do you think can have Bitcoin? Is it Human or chatgpt? We know that Bitcoin is intended as a solution to the financial problems of institutions. And who mainly has financial problems? Isn't it only people who have major financial problems?

Unless the person who created ChatGPT wants to have Bitcoin, at this point it's still possible, right? Another thing is that no one knows how many holdings Bitcoin holders have because all of us who actually have them are anonymous.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: TimeTeller on November 16, 2023, 11:59:23 PM
One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
Chat GPT can have Bitcoin private keys if some people carelessly or mistakenly copy and paste their private keys on that software and enter. Search engines like Google, Bing, Duckduckgo can have Bitcoin private keys too as I am sure there are people did that mistake.

It's not big deal if after making mistake, they instantly move their bitcoin to a new wallet and abandon that leaked wallet. If they don't proactively do this, their bitcoin can be stolen by Chat GPT team or any members from search engines who can access big data bases and are greed to still bitcoins from victims.

That actually can possibly happen, who knows how many people are doing the copy-paste mistake?
Thus, I won't totally discard this idea, chatgpt or other AI apps and search engines have their keys right inside their system, waiting to be tapped.
But for those who mistakenly did such step, better secure your wallets and create a new one and hope that nobody can use your old keys before you do the transfer.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: STT on November 17, 2023, 12:16:43 AM
The danger there is the humans deciding to use the data collected by AI for a malicious purpose.  Even without the AI we've had bots collecting data for 25 years or more, its not something thats going to altered by a discussion on AI really.
  Im not sure what Elon is especially meaning when Tesla is the largest collection of AI according to a few people; its a massive motor car maker with people driving in constant use viewing the world where only the google street cam might have gone previously but using AI and sensors to record then send back that data to Tesla.  So he is in control of the largest instigation of AI data collection and storage, he can make his own choices what he is to do with that information


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on November 17, 2023, 12:04:13 PM
Artificial intelligence will be used with bad intentions in any case and there is nothing we can do about it. The example you gave concerns individual people, although there may be many such examples. But artificial intelligence, if it improves and this process gets out of human control, threatens the further existence of humanity. This is much more catastrophic than individual harm to a specific person. The development of artificial intelligence must be placed under strict control from the very beginning, even if it seems that it will not think of destroying humanity. But why take such a risk?
You cannot stop what's already happening and people are taking advantage and making profit out of it. Those individuals who are only looking for profits and taking advantage of this AI technology will never stop. And criminals will also take advantage of it in order to do crimes. A thing is bad only when it is used for bad purposes.

Even if you try to shut it down right now, the concept of AI is already out there and other people will always find a way to use it to their advantage. If a bad person gets his hands on this, then it will be used for bad purposes. If not then we are safe. And the thing about artificial intelligent having their own mind and coming up with the plan to destroy humanity may not be as dangerous as you think. What AI learns are the information available on the internet. It can do calculation and find similarities to answer your question or in simple words guess the next word you are trying to say.

It is still not perfect and if people are really that concerned about it, then changing some codes won't hurt that much. I guess there are still time for us to fix it.
You, like many on this forum, are too optimistic about the safe development of artificial intelligence. Unfortunately, everything is much more serious. We are already at least the fifth human civilization on planet Earth. All previous civilizations died mainly due to the high development of technology and technologies, which were ultimately turned against humans.

On our planet, 30 thousand years ago, nuclear weapons were used and there were even human battles in near space on appropriate aircraft. Our last civilization is approximately 12 thousand years old. And we are confidently approaching our point of no return. If a person doesn’t press the fatal button, who knows, maybe artificial intelligence will do it for him.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Peanutswar on November 17, 2023, 01:17:28 PM
Once you are already a public figure it's now easy to capture your images and face and we know with this technology AI is one of the biggest catch they can now generate images which is far from the reality taken, knowledgeable now is one of the key to get identify which is fake or not. AI or even the chatgpt is one of this and holding a BTC I guess far from it because the same like the other voice command features of the different platform they are just ease to help people and not to take or store an asset. So they don't have BTC holding like us well else the owner itself surely it has.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Renampun on November 17, 2023, 01:25:43 PM
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Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

ChatGPT is an AI program developed by one of the world's largest companies and all kinds of profits resulting from this program will definitely go into the developer's pockets, so it is impossible for ChatGPT to have its own bitcoin, because the program means it cannot buy. artificial intelligence cannot create money on its own, if they could then they would already have their own thoughts, but I wonder whether in the future when humanoid robots are fully developed, will they be able to buy bitcoins because their intelligence will definitely be on par with humans, maybe even more!!


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Mr.right85 on November 17, 2023, 03:27:17 PM
Yeah, totally agree as much as AI is a super-intelligent tool designed to assist humans a most endeavours we must all recognize the risk it poses on human life too.
The major problem with such a power tool is how easy it is for bad individuals to use it for illegal and unlawful activities. Before more harm is caused, it is better to halt it and find better control measures before it causes more havoc.
Halt to do more researches on the process?
Even this too can’t be a solution as the race to building a new world that will revolutionaries our traditional means of doing things is some means to financial gains which wouldn’t be hoped to halt by any individual.
One means by which I think some level of control could be done to this is by enacting laws that fines companies who's product has been known to be used in crime related practices. This they can archive by having these companies at the point of creation also put in place coding systems that works like IPs aside from water mark on there products. Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: tjtonmoy on November 17, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
You, like many on this forum, are too optimistic about the safe development of artificial intelligence. Unfortunately, everything is much more serious. We are already at least the fifth human civilization on planet Earth. All previous civilizations died mainly due to the high development of technology and technologies, which were ultimately turned against humans.

On our planet, 30 thousand years ago, nuclear weapons were used and there were even human battles in near space on appropriate aircraft. Our last civilization is approximately 12 thousand years old. And we are confidently approaching our point of no return. If a person doesn’t press the fatal button, who knows, maybe artificial intelligence will do it for him.
As humans, that's how we evolve. Do you think evolution happens just randomly? It's nature mate. One will be gone and others will replace that blank space. In order for new things to come in this world, old things should perish. As long as you don't push your limits you will never know what your limit actually is. And if you can break through that limitation then that's called evolution. Or maybe that's how it all ends. Everything that has a beginning should also face ending at a point. Maybe the human race is heading towards that ending? Who knows?

All that aside, as I said that thing is already out there and bad people will use it for bad intentions. Maybe they're developing something powerful than what is already available right now. Only time will tell. If we don't own something we can't control it. Maybe the main program gets shut but people who are trying to take advantage of it will already be working on something big. There's no ending until we meet the doom.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: boyptc on November 17, 2023, 07:38:36 PM
Some playful minds might think that AI and chatgpt will be able to decode the private keys and seeds of other people. If someone who's reading this is thinking like that, you need to give yourself a rest.

When people glorifies a thing too much and to its extent, that becomes unreal and impossible to break the code that expectation of the many.

People should give themselves some rest as well when you're thinking AI can do everything aside from manipulating, generating articles, generating photos and collecting data, etc.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: eightdots on November 18, 2023, 05:41:25 PM
Artificial intelligence will be used with bad intentions in any case and there is nothing we can do about it. The example you gave concerns individual people, although there may be many such examples. But artificial intelligence, if it improves and this process gets out of human control, threatens the further existence of humanity. This is much more catastrophic than individual harm to a specific person. The development of artificial intelligence must be placed under strict control from the very beginning, even if it seems that it will not think of destroying humanity. But why take such a risk?
You cannot stop what's already happening and people are taking advantage and making profit out of it. Those individuals who are only looking for profits and taking advantage of this AI technology will never stop. And criminals will also take advantage of it in order to do crimes. A thing is bad only when it is used for bad purposes.

Even if you try to shut it down right now, the concept of AI is already out there and other people will always find a way to use it to their advantage. If a bad person gets his hands on this, then it will be used for bad purposes. If not then we are safe. And the thing about artificial intelligent having their own mind and coming up with the plan to destroy humanity may not be as dangerous as you think. What AI learns are the information available on the internet. It can do calculation and find similarities to answer your question or in simple words guess the next word you are trying to say.

It is still not perfect and if people are really that concerned about it, then changing some codes won't hurt that much. I guess there are still time for us to fix it.

We should only use the things we can benefit from for good things. There are also many things, such as artificial intelligence, that can harm people when used with malicious intent. Thinking about the bad allows us to take precautions against possible negativities, but constantly thinking can affect our normal life.

In the series 'Person of Interest', both the good and bad aspects of artificial intelligence were conveyed to the audience. The abilities of artificial intelligence were also shown in a very different way in the series. I gave this series example because it is related to our topic. Those who are curious can watch. As in many things, the purpose of use determines everything in artificial intelligence.

Artificial intelligence is a fact of our lives. It has both dangers and benefits. I hope a bad scenario doesn't happen. I don't think this is very likely.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: SatoPrincess on November 18, 2023, 09:57:08 PM
Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.
Yes you can, but everyday more discoveries are made in this space and the goal is to make AI super intelligent and appear as human as possible. Elon Musk has a neural link project that I think is even worrisome than what he is complaining about.
One means by which I think some level of control could be done to this is by enacting laws that fines companies who's product has been known to be used in crime related practices.

The companies make the tech but they don’t dictate how people use them so it would be unfair to punish the companies for the actions of a user. Honestly, I think it’s already too late to do stop AI development, scientists will continue to discover more breakthroughs in Robotics and AI despite the potential harm we may face in the future.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: fillippone on November 18, 2023, 10:50:37 PM
Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.
Yes you can, but everyday more discoveries are made in this space and the goal is to make AI super intelligent and appear as human as possible. Elon Musk has a neural link project that I think is even worrisome than what he is complaining about.
One means by which I think some level of control could be done to this is by enacting laws that fines companies who's product has been known to be used in crime related practices.

The companies make the tech but they don’t dictate how people use them so it would be unfair to punish the companies for the actions of a user. Honestly, I think it’s already too late to do stop AI development, scientists will continue to discover more breakthroughs in Robotics and AI despite the potential harm we may face in the future.

What happened today with OpenAI, dethroning their CEO has something to do with the topic.
The firm ousted the CEO because was trying to monetise a product without conducting the required due diligence on its safety, If I interpreted the situation correctly.
They wanted to keep OAI free from monetisation in order to achieve higher goals later, rather than pursuing a quarterly profit.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Captain Corporate on November 18, 2023, 11:23:55 PM
The timing of this openAI situation with Sam Altman and Grok gaining traction was amazing. I keep telling people that Elon has connections at places that he doesn't even need to really hide, and he keeps doing these kind of things all the time, but everyone ignores. He is disliked by many, but we need to remember that he is idolized by many as well. I feel like its going to be an important battle between openAI for the upcoming months and probably years against GROK. Hopefully the result would not hurt humanity, that is the only thing that I worry about, as long as humanity doesn't end up with trouble due to their battle, I am going to be fine about it one way or another since it would help, but if it starts to hurt us then it could be very dangerous.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: uneng on November 19, 2023, 01:54:13 AM
Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.
Yes you can, but everyday more discoveries are made in this space and the goal is to make AI super intelligent and appear as human as possible. Elon Musk has a neural link project that I think is even worrisome than what he is complaining about.
The fact Elon Musk is concerned regards the dangers of AI development is really curious, as it looks like his neural link project is much more potentially harmful to society than AI, although he doesn't show any concern about it.

It makes me conclude he isn't annoyed by AI development, rather he is annoyed by AI development he doesn't have control over it. If it was him in the charge of the AI development program, there wouldn't be any concerns and issues, just like there wasn't any problem with Bitcoin when he became adopter, although he changed his mind later, and once he did, Bitcoin started being discouraged by him.

Technology can't stop being developed. It never stops. AIs are unstoppable right now and there is nothing people can do about it, besides developing another technologies to spot deepfakes on the internet.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: DanWalker on November 19, 2023, 04:35:35 AM
Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.
Yes you can, but everyday more discoveries are made in this space and the goal is to make AI super intelligent and appear as human as possible. Elon Musk has a neural link project that I think is even worrisome than what he is complaining about.
The fact Elon Musk is concerned regards the dangers of AI development is really curious, as it looks like his neural link project is much more potentially harmful to society than AI, although he doesn't show any concern about it.

It makes me conclude he isn't annoyed by AI development, rather he is annoyed by AI development he doesn't have control over it. If it was him in the charge of the AI development program, there wouldn't be any concerns and issues, just like there wasn't any problem with Bitcoin when he became adopter, although he changed his mind later, and once he did, Bitcoin started being discouraged by him.

Technology can't stop being developed. It never stops. AIs are unstoppable right now and there is nothing people can do about it, besides developing another technologies to spot deepfakes on the internet.

I agree with your argument. If I remember correctly, Elon was also a shareholder of the Open AI development company many years ago. And currently, he is also running 1 to 2 AI development companies and recently, his social network X also introduced the Grok tool that competes directly with OpenAI. So it's questionable when he says AI will harm society, but that's not too strange because Elon is famous for being an eccentric rich guy with controversial statements.

AI is the world's next trend, whether we like it or not it will still develop. Therefore, we should adapt to them rather than find ways to fight them or worry too much about them.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Haunebu on November 19, 2023, 06:42:20 AM
Elon Musk is the last person who should say that if you think about it. He pioneered several AI technologies over the years which is what made him crazy rich in the first place. He owes his wealth and popularity to AI.

The pros of AI vastly outweigh its cons which is why they are beneficial to society on the whole if you think about it.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: taufik123 on November 19, 2023, 07:43:23 AM
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AI is the world's next trend, whether we like it or not it will still develop. Therefore, we should adapt to them rather than find ways to fight them or worry too much about them.
Not the next world trend, but it started when ChatGPT appeared, and it changed all the technology that initially only used ordinary bots, but now uses smarter and more powerful AI.   

Adapting to AI Technology is a must, and as in the crypto ecosystem now everything is easy to do, many new ecosystems are emerging that include AI.   
Elon Musk Even developed a Chatbot AI which will be included on X (Twitter), xAI GROK, which will be a chided of ChatGPT and Bard. 



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The pros of AI vastly outweigh its cons which is why they are beneficial to society on the whole if you think about it.
The advantages of AI are indeed not circumvented, and it gives very rapid changes to all platforms. 
But AI is sometimes also used as a pretty bad corpse, however there must be a protocol that regulates how AI works and there are limits that must not be violated. 


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: btc78 on November 19, 2023, 08:06:33 AM
Yeah, totally agree as much as AI is a super-intelligent tool designed to assist humans a most endeavours we must all recognize the risk it poses on human life too.
The major problem with such a power tool is how easy it is for bad individuals to use it for illegal and unlawful activities. Before more harm is caused, it is better to halt it and find better control measures before it causes more havoc.
Halt to do more researches on the process?
Even this too can’t be a solution as the race to building a new world that will revolutionaries our traditional means of doing things is some means to financial gains which wouldn’t be hoped to halt by any individual.
One means by which I think some level of control could be done to this is by enacting laws that fines companies who's product has been known to be used in crime related practices. This they can archive by having these companies at the point of creation also put in place coding systems that works like IPs aside from water mark on there products. Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.

i agree,

there are already laws regarding plagiarism which i would assume where AI works will fall under AI creates based on what have already been done by us, humans and so you might find that especially in essays AI just takes from multiple sources available in the internet

aside from plagiarism, another law that should be enforced tightly is one regarding privacy the use of people’s voices and faces is what is most disturbing of all literally anyone can use what is available of us in the internet to create something with malicious intent


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: uneng on November 19, 2023, 03:12:02 PM
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The pros of AI vastly outweigh its cons which is why they are beneficial to society on the whole if you think about it.
The advantages of AI are indeed not circumvented, and it gives very rapid changes to all platforms. 
But AI is sometimes also used as a pretty bad corpse, however there must be a protocol that regulates how AI works and there are limits that must not be violated. 
That is impossible in a global scale. Authorities can regulate and stipulate limits for AI development in a regional area, but they don't have control over foreigner territories and over informal developments which happen on the shadows, in secret.  Protocols are just formalities. If people took them seriously, there wouldn't be any more conflicts and wars in the world, because there are protocols and agreements which theoretically forbid that from happening. But the real world follows a different logic, and the only chance of survival you have is if you are more advanced technologically to fight the enemy back efficiently. The same applies to AIs: if AI is a threat to you, you have to develop a superior one to fight that threat back.


Title: Re: Elon Musk and others urge AI pause, citing 'risks to society'
Post by: Argoo on January 27, 2024, 08:21:39 PM

AI is the world's next trend, whether we like it or not it will still develop. Therefore, we should adapt to them rather than find ways to fight them or worry too much about them.
If you do not care about the fate of you and your relatives and friends, as well as the fate of humanity as a whole, then you really have nothing to worry about. Artificial intelligence is capable of self-improvement and gaining consciousness. He is incapable of human emotions and is guided solely by logic. Even today's primitive humanoid robots are already declaring that man is not perfect and therefore must be destroyed. Pure logic without emotions and hostility.

Artificial intelligence will greatly help a person where it is necessary to find solutions relatively quickly, analyzing millions and billions of different options. But it should not be allowed to make management decisions with which it can harm a person, especially in the field of defense and weapons. Therefore, AI requires reasonable legal and technical restrictions on its capabilities. Otherwise, humanity will cease to exist.