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September 05, 2023, 03:06:43 AM
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The government need to control the use or else it would be used to cause a lots of attacks thag would look real to humans eyes. People had started using it to clone other people's imagine which should be framed at. I have started seeing a lots of things we can use the chatgpt to do which would look extraordinary to people when they see the outcome. We may be enjoying it now but there a bad people that will not mind to use the dark side to cause harm and destroy personalities.
I guess the part where the Pope is involved is what is causing this great fear, right? Before now, there have been Al images of so many people (both influential and otherwise) yet not so many people cared what was paraded. This isn't to engage in any argument in religiosity, but I think what is sauce for the goose should also be sauce for the gander. Every life should be treated as sacred, should matter. We're all mortal beings. Al usage has enabled man do certain stuff almost effortlessly and shouldn't just be discharged because of its perceived demerits. It should be regulated, that's all; and not just be stopped.

It surely needs to be regulated. I remember watching a YouTube vlog/documentary about this, wherein they put celebrities' faces on 18+ content creators and sell those videos. As much as a lot of people may think that it is not dangerous or not that impactful, just imagine how much it can effect or ruin someone's life if their faces and voices were used to do something that ruin their images or have troubles against the law. Such a thing can even cause a national problem if politicians' faces and voices were used to deliver fake messages and announcements.

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October 16, 2023, 03:02:11 PM
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It turns out that lately I very rarely support the decisions and actions of Elon Musk, except, of course, for his space programs. But here Musk is completely right. People must limit the capabilities of artificial intelligence in areas where the decisions made could threaten significant harm to humanity. No matter what anyone says about the usefulness of AI, one wrong or deliberately wrong decision could easily destroy our civilization. It is necessary to draw up general rules for working with AI and to insert into the activity programs for AI a ban on killing or harming a person. This was clearly stated in the first books of the fantasy genre. Such moments are not accidental. Because the past, present and future are closely interconnected with the theoretical ability to penetrate through time in different directions.

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October 16, 2023, 03:37:42 PM
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It turns out that lately I very rarely support the decisions and actions of Elon Musk, except, of course, for his space programs. But here Musk is completely right. People must limit the capabilities of artificial intelligence in areas where the decisions made could threaten significant harm to humanity. No matter what anyone says about the usefulness of AI, one wrong or deliberately wrong decision could easily destroy our civilization. It is necessary to draw up general rules for working with AI and to insert into the activity programs for AI a ban on killing or harming a person. This was clearly stated in the first books of the fantasy genre. Such moments are not accidental. Because the past, present and future are closely interconnected with the theoretical ability to penetrate through time in different directions.
I don't want to sound like I solely antagonize Elon Musk's ideas and "genius" (please assume that I use finger air quotes here lol), but he's always had completely bad takes in the past. Even the AI conundrum I can say something about.

For instance, it's not AI that's been causing all this ruckus. It's humans using AI for the most nefarious reasons. Have you seen meme pages across the whole internet using AI models like chatgpt to actuate stupid shit? Just a few weeks ago I saw someone post about bypassing the content blocks of ChatGPT to make it narrate how to create napalm/crystal meth in the jive of an old grandma telling her grandkids some bedtime stories. You can't blame AI for that matter since it's not like AI can do this on its own lol.

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October 16, 2023, 05:38:56 PM
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Image generation using AI have gone to a stage right now where you can generate fake vulgar photos of people. There has been some incident regarding this. The girl was continuously blackmailed and the person who blackmailed her took money from her from time to time. And when she was unable to give any money the blackmailer threatened her saying that he will expose those photos on the internet.

After further investigations it was found that those photos were fake and it was originally generated by some defect AI some other generative AI. People has taken AI to a level where it is becoming life-threatening. Imagine a girl committing suicide because of this. That wouldn't be a surprise because those images are really convincing. If a person who have never seen a woman on that state or without clothes can never tell the difference. The case I was talking about, it was only confirmed after their family check the picture and the girl.

It is not necessary to bring down the entire AI system. But we need to make sure that people don't use it for bad purposes.
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November 16, 2023, 12:41:21 PM
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Image generation using AI have gone to a stage right now where you can generate fake vulgar photos of people. There has been some incident regarding this. The girl was continuously blackmailed and the person who blackmailed her took money from her from time to time. And when she was unable to give any money the blackmailer threatened her saying that he will expose those photos on the internet.

After further investigations it was found that those photos were fake and it was originally generated by some defect AI some other generative AI. People has taken AI to a level where it is becoming life-threatening. Imagine a girl committing suicide because of this. That wouldn't be a surprise because those images are really convincing. If a person who have never seen a woman on that state or without clothes can never tell the difference. The case I was talking about, it was only confirmed after their family check the picture and the girl.

It is not necessary to bring down the entire AI system. But we need to make sure that people don't use it for bad purposes.
Artificial intelligence will be used with bad intentions in any case and there is nothing we can do about it. The example you gave concerns individual people, although there may be many such examples. But artificial intelligence, if it improves and this process gets out of human control, threatens the further existence of humanity. This is much more catastrophic than individual harm to a specific person. The development of artificial intelligence must be placed under strict control from the very beginning, even if it seems that it will not think of destroying humanity. But why take such a risk?

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November 16, 2023, 05:54:57 PM
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Artificial intelligence will be used with bad intentions in any case and there is nothing we can do about it. The example you gave concerns individual people, although there may be many such examples. But artificial intelligence, if it improves and this process gets out of human control, threatens the further existence of humanity. This is much more catastrophic than individual harm to a specific person. The development of artificial intelligence must be placed under strict control from the very beginning, even if it seems that it will not think of destroying humanity. But why take such a risk?
You cannot stop what's already happening and people are taking advantage and making profit out of it. Those individuals who are only looking for profits and taking advantage of this AI technology will never stop. And criminals will also take advantage of it in order to do crimes. A thing is bad only when it is used for bad purposes.

Even if you try to shut it down right now, the concept of AI is already out there and other people will always find a way to use it to their advantage. If a bad person gets his hands on this, then it will be used for bad purposes. If not then we are safe. And the thing about artificial intelligent having their own mind and coming up with the plan to destroy humanity may not be as dangerous as you think. What AI learns are the information available on the internet. It can do calculation and find similarities to answer your question or in simple words guess the next word you are trying to say.

It is still not perfect and if people are really that concerned about it, then changing some codes won't hurt that much. I guess there are still time for us to fix it.
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November 16, 2023, 06:39:57 PM
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Yeah, totally agree as much as AI is a super-intelligent tool designed to assist humans a most endeavours we must all recognize the risk it poses on human life too.
The major problem with such a power tool is how easy it is for bad individuals to use it for illegal and unlawful activities. Before more harm is caused, it is better to halt it and find better control measures before it causes more havoc.

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November 16, 2023, 11:52:40 PM
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out of these two who do you think can have Bitcoin? Is it Human or chatgpt? We know that Bitcoin is intended as a solution to the financial problems of institutions. And who mainly has financial problems? Isn't it only people who have major financial problems?

Unless the person who created ChatGPT wants to have Bitcoin, at this point it's still possible, right? Another thing is that no one knows how many holdings Bitcoin holders have because all of us who actually have them are anonymous.

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November 16, 2023, 11:59:23 PM
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One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?
Chat GPT can have Bitcoin private keys if some people carelessly or mistakenly copy and paste their private keys on that software and enter. Search engines like Google, Bing, Duckduckgo can have Bitcoin private keys too as I am sure there are people did that mistake.

It's not big deal if after making mistake, they instantly move their bitcoin to a new wallet and abandon that leaked wallet. If they don't proactively do this, their bitcoin can be stolen by Chat GPT team or any members from search engines who can access big data bases and are greed to still bitcoins from victims.

That actually can possibly happen, who knows how many people are doing the copy-paste mistake?
Thus, I won't totally discard this idea, chatgpt or other AI apps and search engines have their keys right inside their system, waiting to be tapped.
But for those who mistakenly did such step, better secure your wallets and create a new one and hope that nobody can use your old keys before you do the transfer.
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The danger there is the humans deciding to use the data collected by AI for a malicious purpose.  Even without the AI we've had bots collecting data for 25 years or more, its not something thats going to altered by a discussion on AI really.
  Im not sure what Elon is especially meaning when Tesla is the largest collection of AI according to a few people; its a massive motor car maker with people driving in constant use viewing the world where only the google street cam might have gone previously but using AI and sensors to record then send back that data to Tesla.  So he is in control of the largest instigation of AI data collection and storage, he can make his own choices what he is to do with that information

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November 17, 2023, 12:04:13 PM
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Artificial intelligence will be used with bad intentions in any case and there is nothing we can do about it. The example you gave concerns individual people, although there may be many such examples. But artificial intelligence, if it improves and this process gets out of human control, threatens the further existence of humanity. This is much more catastrophic than individual harm to a specific person. The development of artificial intelligence must be placed under strict control from the very beginning, even if it seems that it will not think of destroying humanity. But why take such a risk?
You cannot stop what's already happening and people are taking advantage and making profit out of it. Those individuals who are only looking for profits and taking advantage of this AI technology will never stop. And criminals will also take advantage of it in order to do crimes. A thing is bad only when it is used for bad purposes.

Even if you try to shut it down right now, the concept of AI is already out there and other people will always find a way to use it to their advantage. If a bad person gets his hands on this, then it will be used for bad purposes. If not then we are safe. And the thing about artificial intelligent having their own mind and coming up with the plan to destroy humanity may not be as dangerous as you think. What AI learns are the information available on the internet. It can do calculation and find similarities to answer your question or in simple words guess the next word you are trying to say.

It is still not perfect and if people are really that concerned about it, then changing some codes won't hurt that much. I guess there are still time for us to fix it.
You, like many on this forum, are too optimistic about the safe development of artificial intelligence. Unfortunately, everything is much more serious. We are already at least the fifth human civilization on planet Earth. All previous civilizations died mainly due to the high development of technology and technologies, which were ultimately turned against humans.

On our planet, 30 thousand years ago, nuclear weapons were used and there were even human battles in near space on appropriate aircraft. Our last civilization is approximately 12 thousand years old. And we are confidently approaching our point of no return. If a person doesn’t press the fatal button, who knows, maybe artificial intelligence will do it for him.

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November 17, 2023, 01:17:28 PM
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Once you are already a public figure it's now easy to capture your images and face and we know with this technology AI is one of the biggest catch they can now generate images which is far from the reality taken, knowledgeable now is one of the key to get identify which is fake or not. AI or even the chatgpt is one of this and holding a BTC I guess far from it because the same like the other voice command features of the different platform they are just ease to help people and not to take or store an asset. So they don't have BTC holding like us well else the owner itself surely it has.

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November 17, 2023, 01:25:43 PM
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Risks must be correctly managed and there must be some kind of security protocols to avoid damage that chatgpt and others can do.

One question I have. Does chatgpt own any btc? Can it have some hidden keys?

ChatGPT is an AI program developed by one of the world's largest companies and all kinds of profits resulting from this program will definitely go into the developer's pockets, so it is impossible for ChatGPT to have its own bitcoin, because the program means it cannot buy. artificial intelligence cannot create money on its own, if they could then they would already have their own thoughts, but I wonder whether in the future when humanoid robots are fully developed, will they be able to buy bitcoins because their intelligence will definitely be on par with humans, maybe even more!!

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November 17, 2023, 03:27:17 PM
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Yeah, totally agree as much as AI is a super-intelligent tool designed to assist humans a most endeavours we must all recognize the risk it poses on human life too.
The major problem with such a power tool is how easy it is for bad individuals to use it for illegal and unlawful activities. Before more harm is caused, it is better to halt it and find better control measures before it causes more havoc.
Halt to do more researches on the process?
Even this too can’t be a solution as the race to building a new world that will revolutionaries our traditional means of doing things is some means to financial gains which wouldn’t be hoped to halt by any individual.
One means by which I think some level of control could be done to this is by enacting laws that fines companies who's product has been known to be used in crime related practices. This they can archive by having these companies at the point of creation also put in place coding systems that works like IPs aside from water mark on there products. Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.
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November 17, 2023, 07:35:25 PM
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You, like many on this forum, are too optimistic about the safe development of artificial intelligence. Unfortunately, everything is much more serious. We are already at least the fifth human civilization on planet Earth. All previous civilizations died mainly due to the high development of technology and technologies, which were ultimately turned against humans.

On our planet, 30 thousand years ago, nuclear weapons were used and there were even human battles in near space on appropriate aircraft. Our last civilization is approximately 12 thousand years old. And we are confidently approaching our point of no return. If a person doesn’t press the fatal button, who knows, maybe artificial intelligence will do it for him.
As humans, that's how we evolve. Do you think evolution happens just randomly? It's nature mate. One will be gone and others will replace that blank space. In order for new things to come in this world, old things should perish. As long as you don't push your limits you will never know what your limit actually is. And if you can break through that limitation then that's called evolution. Or maybe that's how it all ends. Everything that has a beginning should also face ending at a point. Maybe the human race is heading towards that ending? Who knows?

All that aside, as I said that thing is already out there and bad people will use it for bad intentions. Maybe they're developing something powerful than what is already available right now. Only time will tell. If we don't own something we can't control it. Maybe the main program gets shut but people who are trying to take advantage of it will already be working on something big. There's no ending until we meet the doom.
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November 17, 2023, 07:38:36 PM
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Some playful minds might think that AI and chatgpt will be able to decode the private keys and seeds of other people. If someone who's reading this is thinking like that, you need to give yourself a rest.

When people glorifies a thing too much and to its extent, that becomes unreal and impossible to break the code that expectation of the many.

People should give themselves some rest as well when you're thinking AI can do everything aside from manipulating, generating articles, generating photos and collecting data, etc.

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November 18, 2023, 05:41:25 PM
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Artificial intelligence will be used with bad intentions in any case and there is nothing we can do about it. The example you gave concerns individual people, although there may be many such examples. But artificial intelligence, if it improves and this process gets out of human control, threatens the further existence of humanity. This is much more catastrophic than individual harm to a specific person. The development of artificial intelligence must be placed under strict control from the very beginning, even if it seems that it will not think of destroying humanity. But why take such a risk?
You cannot stop what's already happening and people are taking advantage and making profit out of it. Those individuals who are only looking for profits and taking advantage of this AI technology will never stop. And criminals will also take advantage of it in order to do crimes. A thing is bad only when it is used for bad purposes.

Even if you try to shut it down right now, the concept of AI is already out there and other people will always find a way to use it to their advantage. If a bad person gets his hands on this, then it will be used for bad purposes. If not then we are safe. And the thing about artificial intelligent having their own mind and coming up with the plan to destroy humanity may not be as dangerous as you think. What AI learns are the information available on the internet. It can do calculation and find similarities to answer your question or in simple words guess the next word you are trying to say.

It is still not perfect and if people are really that concerned about it, then changing some codes won't hurt that much. I guess there are still time for us to fix it.

We should only use the things we can benefit from for good things. There are also many things, such as artificial intelligence, that can harm people when used with malicious intent. Thinking about the bad allows us to take precautions against possible negativities, but constantly thinking can affect our normal life.

In the series 'Person of Interest', both the good and bad aspects of artificial intelligence were conveyed to the audience. The abilities of artificial intelligence were also shown in a very different way in the series. I gave this series example because it is related to our topic. Those who are curious can watch. As in many things, the purpose of use determines everything in artificial intelligence.

Artificial intelligence is a fact of our lives. It has both dangers and benefits. I hope a bad scenario doesn't happen. I don't think this is very likely.

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November 18, 2023, 09:57:08 PM
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Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.
Yes you can, but everyday more discoveries are made in this space and the goal is to make AI super intelligent and appear as human as possible. Elon Musk has a neural link project that I think is even worrisome than what he is complaining about.
One means by which I think some level of control could be done to this is by enacting laws that fines companies who's product has been known to be used in crime related practices.

The companies make the tech but they don’t dictate how people use them so it would be unfair to punish the companies for the actions of a user. Honestly, I think it’s already too late to do stop AI development, scientists will continue to discover more breakthroughs in Robotics and AI despite the potential harm we may face in the future.

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Even in voice overs and video coverages, there should be means to check for AI generated works.
This way, there would be a means to verify what is fictitious and actual.
Yes you can, but everyday more discoveries are made in this space and the goal is to make AI super intelligent and appear as human as possible. Elon Musk has a neural link project that I think is even worrisome than what he is complaining about.
One means by which I think some level of control could be done to this is by enacting laws that fines companies who's product has been known to be used in crime related practices.

The companies make the tech but they don’t dictate how people use them so it would be unfair to punish the companies for the actions of a user. Honestly, I think it’s already too late to do stop AI development, scientists will continue to discover more breakthroughs in Robotics and AI despite the potential harm we may face in the future.

What happened today with OpenAI, dethroning their CEO has something to do with the topic.
The firm ousted the CEO because was trying to monetise a product without conducting the required due diligence on its safety, If I interpreted the situation correctly.
They wanted to keep OAI free from monetisation in order to achieve higher goals later, rather than pursuing a quarterly profit.

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November 18, 2023, 11:23:55 PM
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The timing of this openAI situation with Sam Altman and Grok gaining traction was amazing. I keep telling people that Elon has connections at places that he doesn't even need to really hide, and he keeps doing these kind of things all the time, but everyone ignores. He is disliked by many, but we need to remember that he is idolized by many as well. I feel like its going to be an important battle between openAI for the upcoming months and probably years against GROK. Hopefully the result would not hurt humanity, that is the only thing that I worry about, as long as humanity doesn't end up with trouble due to their battle, I am going to be fine about it one way or another since it would help, but if it starts to hurt us then it could be very dangerous.

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