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hello is it possible to cashout money  without being the owner  without having documents to proof you are the owner  and when the account is frozen?

only thing i have is that payment method that was used  was mine and the cashout would go towards that account

If you’re talking about crypto gambling site, you can done this on those site without KYC but if its a big withdrawals, then maybe the site will start to ask for some details or KYC to prove that your money is came from a good source aside from winning it. Also, withdrawal is easy nowadays just comply with the requirements and follow the rules of the site you should experience no problem.

If you have full control over the account then yes but if the account is frozen then that is totally impossible feat. Even if the payment method was yours that wouldn't mean much to consider a cash out since you state that the account is frozen.

this is pokerstars and i don't have owners documents  to proof i'm the owner  and account is frozen

so i'm fucked  ?

Most likely.

If the account is frozen, there must be reasons why it has gone to that point and to make it possible to get that withdrawal is they will require you some certain documents.

But as you've said, you don't have the documents that they might be asking for you to proceed with that withdrawal so it's highly unlikely that you'll be able to access that and get into the process.

So what they did actually asked out? Some documents which is usually the case. So if you arent the owner of the said account which means that the previous owner did really sent out documents earlier or not?
If yes then you would be needing to provide the same documents but if this is the first time then i dont see any problems since you would really be just needing to comply on whats been asked.
The only problem on here is that if you do make use of VPN then for sure they would really be that keen when it comes to location specially on the IP address which it should
really be correlate out on what you have have submitted.

problem is that i got access 8 days on this account made around 1000 €deposits and some guy blocked access to my funds so i want 527 $ that was on account at that time back

however i don't have  these documents that were first send in by the owner 

can you not  push pokerstars  to comply  and cash the money back to the same account that deposited on account ?

or is there a way to get this money out of account

i mean it's not small change

You are probably stuck until you manage to get your personal identification documents, so yes.
Also, why would you gamble while not having your passport or ID readily on hand? It is well known that casinos and gambling platforms reserve the right to ask you for those papers whenever they need them or deem them necessary.

It seems rather reckless of you, to be honest.
Until you cannot prove your identity, they may assume there is some suspicious activity going on.

Good luck.

i did give them my documents but they saw  a mismatch in the name of the owner and me

so that didn't work :(   i'm not the owner of this account

As long as you have the access to the account and as long as that gambling site does not require KYC, you'd be good to withdraw your funds on that particular account. This is also why I consider the pro of KYC; to avoid easily withdrawing my funds from the account. We'll never know; online platforms are prone with viruses and devices with malwares if you won't be that secured always. So atleast, you'd have the assurance that you will be the only one to use your funds at a time you would want to. If it is regarding frozen account, then that would be another thing. You'd appear suspiscious on the viewpoint of the gambling site. This should be discussed on their support to check if there would be way to do so.

No there is none it's on the TOS of the casino that you should own the money and the documents that you are going to deposit or submit, if this is your issue in the casino you're playing you risk losing your money and getting your account banned.

Again another case of not reading and understanding the TOS of the casino, when you sign up deposit, and play on the casino always be aware of the possibility that the casino will ask you to undergo KYC or investigate your account.

I'm not certain about fiat casinos bit if it's a crypto gambling casinos then, it is possible to make withdrawals without KYC but I think it might be triggered at some points if you a certain amount is been placed for withdrawals.

I really don't see anything wrong with people doing KYC and I personally wouldn't want to get involved with nom KYC casinos because at some point, they might not be trusted and just incase things get soured, they wouldn't be much people you can make complains to legally and that's one of the major reasons I always have to avoid online casinos that doesn't require KYC.

Unfortunately, it is unlikely that you will be able to withdraw funds without being able to prove that you are the account owner. In most cases, casino sites have strict policies in place to prevent fraudulent activity, and they require proper identification documents to verify your identity.

I know this will be of little help to you right now, but you should have known better than to deposit your funds into someone else's casino account. This is probably also against the terms of use of the platform.

It depends...
If the site is charging KYC and you had already given false information in a previous step, it is very likely that they will not release the payment.
This requirement and accuracy of information varies greatly from one site to another, and usually involves sending basic identity documents and a proof of address.
I suggest that you never send false information and whenever possible prefer casinos where it is possible to withdraw cryptocurrencies, as withdrawals to banking institutions are usually much more rigorous.

Even if you have full control over the account, if it is frozen, you can't do anything with it because the support staff or that casino will surely ask for ID of the owner, and even if you provide the ID, the possibility of recovering your money is low because you broke their terms, which is why the account was frozen. The only solution to this is to ask the owner of the account to submit their ID and try to unfreeze it so you can withdraw it using whatever method you want.

I guess you're referring to online casino, if I'm correct then you can make withdrawal if the casino explicitly states that they won't be bedding any form of document during withdrawal but if they do I'm afraid you'll have to complete your KYC before you can cash out your money.
Although, the fact that the casino states that they won't be needing kyc for withdrawal does not mean that they can't request it, like for a recent thread where a user was asked for KYC completion after the casino wrote on their website that KYC is not required.

And since yours has been frozen they are likely going to ask you to submit your documents depending on what made them freeze the account in the first place. If it's about identity issues then it's certain.

I think that answers the question itself? I mean no proper/legal business would ever accept only proof of payment as the proof for identity, both needs to match. People can borrow from other people to pay stuff, but you can't exactly go about borrowing other people's identity now.

In the first place though shouldn't you be able to contact the og user of the account? Seeing as you funded his account through your own methods after all. That is unless you're using a different identity then well, all the blame is on you.

If the account is frozen, then tough luck mate. It is probably frozen for either for KYC or due to fraudulent activities. In both cases, you need to be the owner of the account to explain your situation or provide necessary proof to the sportsbook/casino.

Commonly account frozen due any rule break out or have possibility require for KYC if want withdrawing your money, need specific question about which one side your money frozen or holding. If on gambling platform with account have been frozen require KYC and you need own document for getting back your money, if don't have real document I don't sure have any way for withdrawing your money because all gambling platform have policy created one account based on your real name. Please give us detail later which one side do you mean about account frozen and you can't withdrawing your money.

The casino would have to verify that account is yours so if they have frozen your account there is no way you can get back the access of your account and withdraw funds.You are not owner and don't have any documents which you need to submit as KYC so I don't think there's any way you can get funds if the casino has denied it.But still try to contact the support team and tell the matter if they come up with alternative but that's rare chance.

As long as the casino allows you to withdraw your money, you can do it seamlessly without worrying about having your account frozen.
But every casino has its rules and nowadays, if you want to withdraw big winnings, you must identify your account by submitting your documents to verify it.
And based on your story about the name discrepancies in your documents, you may have to convince the casino by sending other documents to the casino.
But after seeing that the payment method is not crypto, I think there might be regulatory differences between crypto casinos and fiat casinos. It sounds like you should contact customer support to help you sort out the problem.

I'm not sure if I understand your words correctly,
if the account is not yours and when you want to withdraw funds to your personal wallet it seems difficult to do so while the casino asks you to KYC the real data of the real owner.
there is no other way to comply with casino rules in doing KYC by using the account owner's original documents.
and the casino froze the funds in that account for one reason that the data does not match.

there is no other way to withdraw funds from an account that is not yours. good luck.

   -  Honestly, I don't quite understand what you're saying here, you want to cashout even without documents or kyc, right? Then what I don't understand is that your account was frozen?

What do you mean? are you asking if it is still possible to cashout without kyc or even if the account is frozen? Because if your account is frozen, it is unlikely that you can cashout, because it is locked on the gambling platform, this is if you are referring to the casino platform..

Did you get the account by buying it? because we know that there are many who buy casino accounts because the level is high enough so that it will provide several advantages. Because honestly I'm quite confused about your case, how can the account name be different from the document you provided, then you also say this is not your account, so who exactly are you? Are you a hacker who finds a casino account with a balance in it but when you want to take it you are asked for KYC but it fails because of a different name. You are quite suspicious.

Even if you honestly admitted to the casino that you do not have the documents that they need and the cash-out money is not yours they will still ban your account, I don't know how did you arrive at that situation is it intentional or is it because of your being a newbie and ignorant, but this is not good if you based it in the casino's TOS.
No one will help you or even be willing to help because this is something that a player should not be doing in the first place.
You should gamble with your own money and money that you can't afford to lose and you should be able to provide your own documents when casinos ask for them.

If you are using a non KYC casino then withdrawals can be made but if the casino has KYC requirements and your account is frozen then don't expect to have full rights over the money and be able to withdraw it because usually accounts are frozen due to problems that occur and the casino doesn't tolerate the account.
If you have a large amount of money stored in your account, maybe you can still solve it with casino support, but if it's only a small amount, it's better to leave and don't need to hope that your money can come back because it's just a waste of time.
After all, a frozen account will usually be difficult to open and retrieve the money stored in it.

This is where KYC becomes important. Blocked accounts, hacked, and other means that you will not have total access to it.
Sorry for your loss OP, but you might want to just get over it or else you will just be stressed out and hospital bills will be more expensive than how much you lost on that gambling site.

Learn the lesson from here on. If one gambling site has a reputation to keep then do their KYC if needed especially if you are depositing large amounts.
But if you are playing for dimes and nickels, then yes, no KYC is needed at all.
It's not just to keep the business safe from money laundering but also their customers when this kind of situation happens.

The answer in all of your question is no. The reason? of course suspicious behavior, on of the gambling site responsibility is not only to eliminate users that would take advantage on their gambling site but also to make sure that the account of their players are safe and if they see that you are suspicious and clearly you don't own the account of course there is no way that they will grant your request to withdraw.

If you play at an official casino that may have a license or a centralized license, you will usually be asked to complete your KYC let alone withdraw big money, but if your account is frozen for other reasons, for example cheating on promotional bonuses and so on, of course it will be difficult to restore your account without KYC, I I think you need to follow the existing casino rules as long as it doesn't make it difficult for you, if you think it can be recovered without documents I think it's impossible.

Your documents may be to convince the casino that there is no money laundering that you are doing there or cheating so they ask for your documents for that, so there is no problem giving them instead of your account being frozen, my advice if you want to play gambling anonymously without having to provide documents or KYC you should play in a non-centralized or fully decentralized casino. hope that answers your question.

I'm not totally clear on what you're saying, but if you're trying to withdraw money from someone else's account and the casino requires KYC verification, you're pretty much out of luck. You need to use the actual account owner's information to comply with the KYC process. I don't know why you'd even consider using someone else's account - that's just asking for trouble. It's important to be cautious with financial transactions and follow the platform's rules and regulations.

If the account is frozen, you will need to submit documents and if you submit your documents and they see that you are not the owner of the account, do you think they will going to release the money? What kind of question is this, was this an attempt to look for an unethical answer to bypass the gambling site so you can steal the money of whoever account was that? the OP is big joke.

Can you clarify if the account is already done KYC or not because this is vital to answer your question. You can’t withdraw the balance if the account is already done the KYC even if you have the proof of sending the balance since the casino main concern is the account submitted documents for the ownership.

The only time that you have a chance to withdraw the balance despite the account is frozen is when the account is not yet undergo KYC so that you can submit your own to claim the ownership of the account.

I’m just curious if the account is just bought with bargain price in return for the frozen money inside it because you are already fck up in case the original owner already done KYC because your IP difference and ID will be check to claim it.

i will clarify the  situation  i bought access to this pokerstars account by a user here on forum

the real owner i think got also scammed by this user  that has sold me this account

so when i deposited around 1000 €  on it  for 8 days   he blocked my access to my funds 527$ was on that account on that time
so i want to cashout this money  however now i have  whitdrawals/deposit history send to me by pokerstars of that account and the day after he blocked access i see he whitdraw this money so this money has left this account
don't have any documents  to proof i'm the owner of account  and i looked up his name i have of this account but can't find him on social networks 

DEBITADJUST #                               
12/28/2021 7:55:40 AM   Red   2784365858   USD   -526,92   USD   -526,92   -526,92   ADMIN   

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12/28/2021 7:52:46 AM   Dep   2784365760   USD   387,32   EUR   341,77   379,06   ADMIN   

can someone tell me what mc transfer means or debit adjust  on this history  excel file ?

these are two transactions made  the day after he blocked my access

so i lost my money  :(    don't think i can recoup this loss from pokerstars

guess i should have known better    


   

Although I understand it no longer matters, may I ask why you chose to do that in the first place? Was there a particular reason why you couldn't simply create your casino account?



Yeah, you're probably right. I don't think you can get your money back from that platform. While I don't want to add insult to injury, but yes, you should have known better, especially since the amount in question seems to be significant to you.

well i wanted to have an anonymous account  for personal reasons   

but for this i am punished it seems :(  sucks really

and yes  since i have a loan post here on forum    it does matter this money so that's why i'm searching desperate for an option to still cashout this money

It is difficult to take what is not yours, maybe this was possible before, and due to many issues that may have arose from this, the Casino's decided to put an end to it to avoid them from repeating itself KYC normally demanded by Casino's to know their customer is also for the protection and verification of customers for these sort of situations, so their money will not be easily collected by someone who has access to their account.

Did you saying you're using someone else account? buy and sell casino's account must be illegal or there's a chance you're hack the account.

But if you meant you're the original owner but you're just don't want to submit KYC to the casino, it's your fault for not checking the KYC rules in their terms before gamble. Most of crypto casinos are asking KYC for suspicious activity, during withdrawal or during big winnings, so you need to prepare for it.

Well, based on your feedback and post history, it looks like you might be trying to pull some scammy stuff. Just being real here, nobody's buying your BS, so it's probably time to move on and find something honest to do. No judgement, but it's always better to make an honest living and not try to screw people over.

And, if your sob story is actually legit, then I'd have to say that the universe dished out some sweet, sweet justice. It seems like you got exactly what you deserved.  :P

decodx  so you love when people lose 527 $ is that what your saying here sir because if this is the case please confirm

if this is the case then i'm sorry to say your a moron  and you  say yes to scammers    and thiefs because this is what happened

blocked access to my funds and cashed it out for himself

i never done that so for you to accuse me of being this  is  incredible sir and shamefull to say the least 

If the casino have noticed suspicious activity in your account, they will definitely restrict you and you won't be able to withdraw your funds unless you comply with the KYC requirements. I wonder why are you withdrawing the funds instead of the owner. You will surely be in trouble if you are holding big funds in an account under a different owner. It's necessary to read the TOS of a casino right from the beginning.

I think that is a very strange question to ask, especially after taking a look at your negative red reputation left by trustworthy members of the Bitcointalk community. One even accuses you of "selling personal ID documents of other people". Why exactly do you want to cash out money without being the owner of the documents you gave the (I assume) gambling casino? Is it because you faked your KYC and now are trying to withdraw without getting caught and your money confiscated?

This thread is a red flag.

Probably he purchased someone account that already frozen and he wants to have a shot on recovering the funds by any means that community will suggest here. It's really odd to see a question like this because it only means that he is not the real owner of the account and he only has access on it through hck or purchased which are both red flag for acquiring account since it violates casino terms.

Due to KYC policy, someone should only sign up at a casino if they are able to provide personal documents to prove their identity. At least, you sign up at a casino aware that the possibility of being asked to provide such informations do exist and are likely to happen at some point. To rely on "luck" to cashout funds without provinding personal data or to use documents from other people (consequently commiting a crime of ideological falsehood) is never an alternative. OP, if you have involved in such activities, stop it now, it's never too late to change your behavior for the better...

Well, I don't exactly know what type of account you are cashing the money from, but if it's an account on a casino site, there is possibly no way to withdraw money from a frozen account, except you contact customer care to have the account unfrozen..

And again, yes, it is actually possible to  withdraw from an account that is not yours as long as you have full access to the account, by full access, I mean access to the account and access to the email account associated with the account, this is because some casino do send one time password to email address associated with the account to verify that the person requesting withdrawal is actually the owner.
And again, this is if Google authentication is not enabled on the same account, and also depends On the amount you are withdrawing, if the amount is much, be rest assured you won't be able to withdraw without submitting kyc document.

what is the site @ps34? and exactly what is the "issue"?
pay attention because a frozen account... is frozen and there is a reason for this. and probably for restoring ... some info are required (and if you are not the original owner, it could be something trouble to unlock...)
plus, if a casino notice a new IP /location etc etc could requires some details about original owner...

Some sites do not require KYC so you should be good to go provided that you played in a casino that doesn't require users to verify their identities, but the way you asked the wuestion is a little perplexing to me. You sound like a noob who just got a hold of sokeone else's account and now you're asking the internet on how to bypass KYC which sadly you can't if the casino is enforcing it. Not pointing any fingers but if my inference is correct I would really suggest yoi return the account to its previous owner lmao

It was not necessary for him to say it, it is understood in his first post, what I do not understand is how several users did not realize his farce, one of two; Either you sold your account and want to get it back or it was sold to you.

on the other hand in view of your trust (profile), I think it is enough evidence to let this topic die, until you resolve your "moral" situation in the forum.

Trust:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2751022

If you close this thread https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLaxy8bR.gif&t=648&c=_JefFqdaKkmz6w it would be a great help to prevent spam from spreading further in this innocuous thread.

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Oh yes, absolutely. It's one of my favorite pastimes. I even have a special cheering section set up for when people like you lose money.


That's called poetic justice!  ;)


Allow me to provide some examples.

• It seems you were caught red-handed selling other people's private documents:
  
  Quote from: https://ninjastic.space/post/59428213
  need to make accounts gambling or other sites ?
  have documents selfies  proof address  id back/front   collection good price   15 IDS
  contact me
• Here you asked someone from Poland to help you with a restricted / locked account:
  
  Quote from: ps34 on October 01, 2022, 01:53:20 AM
  hello don't know if this is right place but i have a restricted account / locked   and someone needs  to connect to it  from poland    can someone help me   someone trusted  
  can pay a fee also  
  
• Here you asked for a no-collateral loan, and in exchange, you were offering personal documents, that may have been obtained illegally, to create fake accounts on online gambling platforms.
  
  Quote from: https://ninjastic.space/post/59911945
  can give docs so you can make gambling accounts and sell them further
  in return i would like to get this loan from you 500

So, yes. I stand by my words. You are a scumbag and a scammer. If you really lost $500 at this casino, you got exactly what you deserved.

this is the situation of today

this account that was sold by nemlig here on forum was from  2013    the real owner  (name i have in my record)  and also deposit/cashout  history in excel file so anyone that wants a look i can proof on paper what i'm saying (not that it matters)
i don't know what happened with the real owner    that created this account since 2013  but i know he verified his account then

so i bought access for this account through nemlig
i had 5 days access from 22 december until the 27 th of december 2021 however  when i already deposited 1000 € with my skrill  (personal)  on that account   nemlig blocked my access to my funds wich was 527 $  and a day later cashed it out  
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12/28/2021 7:55:40 AM   Red   2784365858   USD   -526,92   USD   -526,92   -526,92   ADMIN      

(pokerstars account)

so now my money is gone  and  would like to know if there is a way to still get the money that has been cashed out   since the deposit happened with my personal skrill account

however why do i still bother to answer as everyone already has his  idea about me clear  about me being a scammer  

seems i can't do anything correct for some people here

on the matter of the account being frozen i don't know why this happened   as i only had 5 days of access to this account  (but when i contacted live chat they told me  crime financial department was investigating this account) so there is something really wrong with account that i bought access to

but if i see there are a bunch of skrill accounts on that account  (5) mine included  then it seems reasonable to think this account was used by multiple people and not only  myself and this real owner

also if someone thinks that he can still recover my lost money  they can always contact me by pm  i have more proof to send   like that excel file with all deposits/whitdrawals made on this account  

Considering that you obtained access to the account unlawfully and violated the PokerStar General Terms, it is unlikely that you would be able to retrieve any cashed-out money, even if the deposit was made through your personal Skrill account. You can think of that money as compensation for your wrongful actions.

https://www.pokerstars.com/tos/


You obviously don't have the brains to be a scammer. Have you ever considered earning money the honest way for a change?

You seem to live in an alternative reality but back in the real world that money is effectively seized. You need to explain more background around why it has been restricted by a gambling site, because they can do this for a multitude of reasons, like if they think it is stolen, related to some previous illicit transaction, is such a large sum that they have to give a good explanation to their regulatory body, etc. It sounds like they just expect you to go through a Know Your Customer type transaction, which is becoming the standard these days and will soon be found at the vast majority of major cryptocurrency casinos and sportbooks. Why can you not provide such documentation, or you simply don't want to?

You figure this out, your funds will still with them so you can have time to work with the documents needed. You can ask the site for more time to provide what is needed, wondering why you use an account that is not yours. KYC are more strict to those suspicious account and for sure your account tagged as suspicious.

^That is a lesson to learn? yes of course.
Well, I hope that the OP will get his fund even though knowing him that it was a mistake.
It does seem suspicious that there were multiple Skrill accounts linked to it, including yours. It is possible that the account was being used for fraudulent activities by someone other than the original owner. In a case like this, buying an account with someone may face a problem like this in the future and OP did not think that possible outcome.

If the account isnt yours the for sure it is most likely you do buy that certain account or you have stolen and hacked it out for yourself or we dont know on whats actually behind those reasons because once you do

make an account then it cant be simply be passed up on anyone considering that you had passed out some documents which means that the account would be tagged up into yourself.If you do win big
and its not your account and if the company or platform do asked out for some verification or documentation then youre fucked up.

This is the cons on owning an account which isnt yours in the first place considering that creating one is really just that too easy.

thanks this is an answer i can do something with !    

i think also that this is a very wrong account i have bought access to :(  shame that i have trusted nemlig  and offcourse myself for doing such a thing

i thought i was safe depositing my own money in this  and play  because it was a verified account so nothing could go wrong i was mistaken    
also didn't know that if you change emailaddress from  owner  wich i did   and change password that he could recover this account by changing email and password again   that seems easy  (or he has a telephone linked to it )  dunno how he recovered the account  
only reason  i want to still get my cashout is because for me this is no small change so that's why i want to try everything to maybe hopefully get my money back even though i know this chance is small at best

Buying an account is a mistake because its a violation of the terms of the casino you will be caught along the way because the casino is good at tracing changes of account, they may even ask you to login into one of the devices you've used in this specific time, changing the password and an email address is one sign that there is a change of ownership and the system will mark it for future reference.
This is a bad idea that is why I always recommend ignoring those casino account sellers because there are risk attach to it, anyway, this is a reference on why you should not buy a casino account, however good it may seem.

well you can't claim a pokerstars account as a casino account/site    it is mostly poker   

but i concur that buying an account is not smart move/stupid   i should have known better     
but i just wanted to play anonymous and so means playing under another name then my own   but it has indeed risks

buying another account is not really a very smart thing to do. because when it comes to kyc, you will more then likely be banned or funds frozen by the site. that will be your expensive lesson if you have big money on them.
just look for other poker sites that you think you can play anonymously. but buying an account is not your future options anymore. you will likely end up losing your resources.

How can you cash out from an account which is frozen ? This means that you cannot login into the account and initiate a withdrawal request.


Things seems to be more complicated here and i can sense that there is a KYC problem too with your account.
Since you are not the owner, why would the site allow you have the withdrawal ?


Can you tell which user on this forum sold you that account ? Although it may not help you recover your account but at least that person may be exposed and other forum users may be saved if he tries to scam again to other people too.

nemlig sold me this ps account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2845813 

I doubt it, if the account is frozen this means the casino in which you want to make the withdrawal found something fishy going on and they are going to need that you pass whatever procedures they have in place to deal with this situation, which in most cases will require that you identify yourself, and since according to your own admission you are not the owner of the account then you will never get any of your withdrawal attempts approved, so forget about it.

You've been doing a lot of stupid things based on the feedback on your account,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2751022

you should change your way and stop circumventing things and trying to avoid following the rules, you will end people not only disliking you but distrusting you.
and losing money like in the case of the casino you're playing.

It's pretty clear that you guys are both scammers, and you might even be alts of each other. But just for kicks, do you have any proof to back that up? Can you show evidence that it was he who sold you the account and that you paid for it?

This is a good example: do not use other people's accounts! Everything that concerns money and bets with high risks should be accessible only to one person, there can be no other options. It would never have crossed my mind to make a deposit on someone else's account and play it is almost 100% future blocking. There is a security system on every site and it notices suspicious transactions and blocks the account accordingly.

I am sorry, but I just wanted to point out that I had a recent issue with one of the crypto gambling sites. I had won about $60 and KYC was required. It was the first time for me and I was totally shocked because it was my first time experiencing such requirement on the site. I have won and easily withdrawn my cash on the site in the past. When I read their Terms. They said although they require KYC on big withdrawals of $100 plus they reserve the right to request for KYC at any time. So, it doesn't really matter. KYC can be requested at anytime.

Right from reading your question, one would know that you're already a newbie, ones a transaction had been made, it is irreversible, know this first, also if you gamble and make payment on yiur bet made as stake, you're free to use any account to make deposit to your casino crypto wallet, but still irreversible, you can only cash out if you have the bet slip or access to the site on the same account used to gamble that particular game.

Well if the account doesn't have your name and documents on it , it might at some point be difficult to have access to the money and before I go ahead, I reay would want to know why you are trying to have access to someone else's money because he or she used your payment address for payments?
With no affiliations to the above topic, and I'm not writing this to make any suggestions to how you can steal or take away someone's money without their consent and you're ready having negative trust on your profile.
But if you have full access to the account including the emails and maybe phone number then there are possibilities that you might have access to the money since payment will be made through your address.

I've also experienced the same thing with a casino before. I was confident that they will not ask for KYC because I already had good withdrawals but it seems like they are asking their users to comply with the KYC randomly. They ask me for KYC during my withdrawal despite stating on their TOS that they will only ask for KYC on big transactions. The sad thing is it took a long time for them to finish the KYC approval which is really a hassle. I think it's already time for us to accept the fact that casinos will ask for KYC anytime so we must always be prepared.

you got involved in a big problem that has no solution, you bought a PokerStars casino account even though it was against the TOS of the casino, you could have created your own account in which you would have put all your data and with that today you would not be facing this problem because you would easily pass their KYC, now there is no way for them to solve your problem, I think that the most productive solution is that you tell the truth in the casino although this will not help you in any way because casinos hate that customers profit and when they realize that the customer who profited cheated or broke their TOS so the casino won't pay you no matter how much you beg the casino won't pay you

you have to forget about this casino and move on, create an account in other casinos but this time do not buy accounts in casinos, you have already seen the great disadvantage of buying a casino account, in this time when all casinos ask for KYC to buy an account in a casino is a big stupidity . see that the person who sold you the account had not even gone through KYC and the bigger an account in which a lot of money and bonuses have been moving, the greater the chance of the casino asking for KYC, that's why it's a big stupidity to buy high-level vip accounts and worse without KYC.

about this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2845813

Name: Nemlig
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Date Registered: August 25, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
Last Active: March 25, 2023, 11:12:03 AM

this guy hasn't been active for many days and it doesn't seem to me that he values his account very much so I doubt he would do KYC for you, assuming that he sold you his account even if the data in the account registration is his real data, but even that would be a big risk because he would have to have access to the account to do KYC or maybe he would send an email to the casino support with his documents and with that the account would be verified. anyway the TOS of the casino were violated in my opinion because casinos forbid the sale of accounts, I don't know if this casino is allowed, I could be wrong

i appreciate all the help but in my books pokerstars is a poker site/account  so calling it a casino account is a bit strange

you can indeed play casino on it  but poker is not casino  right ?  or am i mistaken?

nonetheless  i think i have slim chance in getting my money back wich is a shame :(    and also to make things clear  i made the deposit myself with my own personal skrill account on someone else  account
so the money   that was cashed out  was my money  but okay  i made mistake to play on someone else  ps account i get that

what i don't know is if nemlig and this real owner  of ps account are the same person  or if this real owner has nothing to do with it and maybe  didn't log on anymore on his account and so doesn't know his account is being used for other activitivies
i have name of this real owner  if maybe can track a person   you can contact me  (can't find him on social networks though )

There is very little or almost no chance that you may get your money back. It's better you may forget about it and move on. You got the lesson learned but at the expense of your money. You and me can't change what is being written for us by the nature and these losses are part of life. The only thing we can do is not t repeat the same mistakes again and learn from these experiences.

As far as the scammer Nemlig (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2845813) is concerned, he isn't much active on this forum now a days especially after his account is tagged. He was last active on 25 March and its also not easy to find him on social media as you never know if the bitcointalk name Nemlig is his real name and there is not much information available to search for him on social networks.

You're right that poker isn't traditionally considered a casino game, since it is a game of skill (with an element of luck involved). But some websites like PokerStars have both poker and casino games available to play. So while it might not be totally accurate to call a PokerStars website an "online casino," some people might use that term to mean a website that lets you play both poker and casino games. Basically, it just depends on the person and the context of the conversation.

Besides, here's an excerpt from the wikipedia article:


But does that really matter here? What is important, in my opinion, is that you have fun while playing.  :D

Just take this as an expensive lesson, not to trust a stranger over the net.
For all we know, he's been reading your case anonymously.
So yes, accept the fact that you can't get your money back. At least, you can still earn that money and he did not screw you using your personal docs.
Tracking that person may incur some funds again from your end. So better accept this lesson and move on.

In case of frozen account and needs KYC, the document should match the name input of the account.  If the name is not yours then there is no way you can access the fund.  You can be suspected as other person claiming or trying to steal another person's fund. Worst case scenario, the account will be totally locked and fund confiscated.  So it is not possible to claim any funds form an account that is not under your name.


This can't be use to prove you as the owner of the account.


I think only nemlig know, you can try to approach nemlig and inquire about that but he was inactive for almost a month now.  It is a sad thing that you lost some amount there but, I bet you learn some lesson on that transaction and hopefully, you won't commit another mistake like that.

Exactly, don’t try to cheat the system by using others account because you might experience the same faith with this one. If OP don’t have any contact with the real owner then there’s no way to get that money back since the site is asking for a supporting details and documents, better for OP to move on. The site are very strict with this one, if your account being tagged as suspicious you can’t do anything but to comply with them.

Yes, once the account is frozen, you cannot make any withdrawals from your account but you can  continue to deposit or transfer money into that account. That is the consequence having a frozen account. Just wait for a week or more before that account can be unfreeze, and that’s the time withdrawal will be now allowed.

okay guys i think we can conclude that i have learned a valuable lesson indeed last post i will make here

if there would be anyone that could help get me in contact with the real owner of this ps account i have his name/email address you can always pm me here

i also contacted him through his email address  and he  answered with  hello who is this ?     and then  nothing after i explained everything few days passed
so dunno what i need to think about that


one last question i want to ask   what happens  if this money would be still on account and nobody can claim it   what happens then with this money?  does pokerstars keep it for themself  ?  i guess there is alot of unclaimed money still on player accounts this way

Is that it? They blocked you for no reason? And why would you use someone's account in the first place? That was a waste if you won't be able to get that winning. Perhaps, we should want to know what really happened there why they have to block that account. Even if the owner take that account the casino might still not gonna give it to the real owner. Perhaps, waiting is your only choice or go continue to contact the real owner but I don't know if both of you will be working together if someone saw that amount of winning.

It will stay on the account most probably and the action of the platform will more likely depend on their ToS, if there is a certain clause on their ToS that accounts that are inactive for a certain period of time will be closed and funds will be confiscated by the platform then the fund of the account will be likely confiscated by the platform, especially the account has a cased and in need for KYC to be unfrozen. 

It is also possible that the original owner of the account may come forward try to unfrozen the account to claim the fund in it.

I guess the money stays with pokerstars unless until it is requested for withdrawal ?
I don't think that there is any rule where the platform return the money to the gamblers if it stays ideal in anyone's account.

The gambling sites are not so generous that they give the ideal money lying in the account to the depositors. Especially when the account is frozen, it means that the site has got hold of the funds and will never return.

Why the account is frozen? There's a reason for it and usually they detected something unusual in your activity. So the solution for this is to send documents if they ask KYC. Since you're not the real owner of the account I don't think there's a chance for you to withdraw your money.

This is the risk of using other's account when something went wrong with the account and there's a money involved. In this situation, you made a mistake.

Yes, obviously if no one is going to claim the money then it will be keep by the platform itself. The thing with the OP is that he is not the original owner so it's going to be very or he has a slim chance to prove ownership.

And perhaps that's why KYC is being enforced now, because in this case, you have access but can't withdraw it because you are not the original owner.

OP knows what up, and as he said, he is pretty much  f**k up.

Actually it's not that easy, friend.
If an account is frozen due to an act that violates the rules fatally, the casino will not easily allow the account to be able to make withdrawals. Moreover, if what is being done is fraudulent, the casino will never open an account that has been frozen.
Maybe he should sort out what happened first before the casino can approve his withdrawal transaction.

It will become the money of the casino, but if the account was only frozen, then it is still in your balance, but still your money is in their hands, so it is still theirs, and I think this is already stated in terms if you broke their regulations. It accumulated over time for sure in those frozen accounts, as others don't have plans to recover it. Even with just a single cent in their account, if it will be added up for sure, it is still a lot.

I think you need to look at this case again. in the case of the OP's account being frozen with the reason that the casino asked for KYC and the problem is that the account is not his original account and when issuing documents to the casino it will obviously be problematic because the documents and the original account name are different, it violates casino rules.
so here it's not a problem that the OP broke the rules by fraud but the OP doesn't have the original account documents.

if i understand this issue it looks like the OP bought the account from one of the people he mentioned in this thread, so this issue will be resolved if the OP maybe ask the account seller for help to send KYC documents. but I think the seller will not want to do that.

We shouldn't believe anything the OP says in this thread without valid evidence, as he is a scammer himself and has a history of engaging in shady and immoral dealings, such as trading with other people's personal documents and KYC verified gambling accounts. The mere fact that he admits to buying a PokerStars account is enough to have his account blocked and his funds confiscated, as this is a clear violation of their terms of use.

Indeed, in this situation possible that you might not withdraw the remaining funds as the account is frozen and the only way to remove this is to comply with whatever the casino will ask you to submit in order to let you withdraw your money, else, it will stay in this status until you settle the problem with the owner of the account.

Coordinating the problem with the owner and help them to try to negotiate with the casino rep for you to settle the problem and
for you to withdraw the remaining balance.

The casinos put "restrictions" in place to froze accounts for a reason. They will not allow any withdrawals, if they froze the account, but they might consider lifting the restriction, if you can provide enough proof that that account was not guilty of the transgression that triggered the frozen account.

I screened through your posts, but I did not see if you provided a reason for the freezing of the account. Sorry if I missed it... In any way, good luck.. I hope you get your money back, if you owned it legitimately.  ;)

Yeah that's what I also thought because of his strange request that he is not the owner and don't have any access so how come he wants to withdraw the funds without providing any documents? So we should ignore him as he might be finding way to scam.

well my only option it seems is to try and find some goodwill of this real owner of ps account i have his email at least

but who says he will answer me (he did send back hello who is this)  so it's not very promosing is it

thanks for your help i appreciate it    i know what to do now

as i have email and name of this owner i will try to contact him one more time