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So I use Lemur browser on my android which recently added feature called, 'lemur ai' which uses chatgpt.

I go on to test my comment there and this happens:

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Felt like pasting ai's improved version instead of mine but felt it would be frowned upon, hence this thread.

Edit: ... And this ai's answer  :P

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I have asked a similar question like this regarding grammar correctness under "Report Plagiarism by LoyceV. Based on my understanding from the explanation, provided that the origin content is being written by you, there is nothing wrong with using Grammarly to correct your punctuation and sentence.

But to some point, there is also no point in doing that since the English is not that bad and every average person will be able to read and understand what the entire content means.

OP… I think you have a typo in the title. It should be “AI” instead of “UI”.

Let me get this right. So after looking at a certain post, and you want to reply, you post your reply to Lemar AI chat, and then it corrects your sentence with the right grammar?

I have been using Language tools add-on (same as Grammarly) to correct my spelling and grammatical mistakes though it's not 100% perfect, I believe the idea is similar?

It seems a little impractical to me, if I'm honest. There are simpler ways to correct grammatical errors through a variety of extensions, such as Grammarly or LanguageTool; I use the latter one. Although I'm quite proficient in English, these tools are extremely helpful to correct some of the small errors you might miss, massively improving your writing. Personally, I occasionally also use Quilbot for large amounts of text; it's basically an AI grammar checker that specializes in correcting grammar while also offering some other services that I haven't used (paraphraser, summarizer, and a few others). It's a lot more efficient and quicker than what you're doing.

Everyone wants a shorter way of achieving anything henceforth in their endeavors in life, sometimes i give it a look that why should we assume our oen responsibility to be taken by other, not even the technological advancement with the use of artificial intelligence in carrying out our daily task, this same problem is what we encounter that some of us may also find it difficult to proofread our post and we want the AI to do that for us, the question is that can they still reason the same way we could in reacting to matters or post we made that needed a second thought from us.

At least for me, using translators or services to correct your english has no problem, since the content is yours, created and written by you, and the correction helps other people to understand your post.

What you cannot, of course, is to copy other people's content and post it as if it were you
The use of AI is also not recommended to use in the forum as it does not add anything, and it's not your content, it's only generic stuff
I don't know this tool you posted, but the google translator itself is excellent, simple and will probably help you, maybe some very specific content can have some errors, but I'm sure that's not a problem here

I haven't used this lemur artificial intelligence tool but from the OP example, i feel it is a bit different that the other tools like Grammarly available in the market.
While Grammarly corrects your grammar word by word, i think this AI tool can suggest you a whole different sentence making it a better choice than our own constructed sentence. Since AI posts are not been encouraged on this forum, I would not use this tool, rather Grammarly may be a better option to correct the grammatical mistakes in our text.

it is AI not UI :), I was wonder what you are trying to say..

Look, because there is no rule, so as long as the text is from your ideas, there is no objection to using any tool to make it better.
If you ask me then, it is better to write and try to learn and develop your English skills rather than relying on third-party applications. A little mistake is always acceptable. If Those AI applications and in cooperation with each other they will be able to analyze your life and relying on it will not be a problem.

Using such tools which is capable of producing the content you wrote into a complete sentence with no grammatical errors and it's just nothing but what grammarly does. But isn't really necessary we need to be accurate in terms of grammar while writing a post, it's okay as long as others can understand so using this tools will not really help you in any way.

Me too when I read the topic title.

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Not only AI but we also can use Grammarly to check grammar and fix bugs. Personally I think the Free version (https://www.grammarly.com/) of Grammarly is goo enough to use for grammatical checking.

It is useful for people who want to improve their writing skills including grammar issues.

• [GUIDE] Making Quality Thread + Grammar Check (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5154705.0)

The use of these tools is becoming more widespread and will continue to do so. The translator DeepL.com has released a Beta feature, DeepL Write, which helps you improve your writing.


In the end it will be like using the internet. Nowadays rote learning is less important than ever because you have access to a lot of information in a matter of seconds. The same thing will happen with this.

The question that should be asked is whether or not the output would be detected by tools that are created to check whether or not AI has been used to create the content. I would suggest checking your outputs against zerogpt and similar services before making posts to prevent your content from being flagged as AI-created. I feel as though that this is a fine use-case for AI and posting, however it might conflict with those who are trying to detect AI-created posts. Do report back if you try this with your results.

It should be detected because AI or any spell checker websites will produce a well written in English.

My personal opinion, I don't think it's harmful to use AI or spell checker to correct your grammatical error or typos because the content or text is using your own ideas. What make many members against of AI usage is, the user didn't created anything and just let the AI to create the content or text for him which is no effort from him.

The problem raise if the tools is bad if they're correcting someone text by took someone article, which can be detected as plagiarism.

In this case, it is probably wiser to use a tool like Grammarly instead of using AI to correct English. Someone with very poor English or grammar might have their posts consistently flagged as having been generated by AI. Of course this might not necessarily be plagarism, content created by AI isn't usually plagarism either as it does its best to create unique responses (and increasingly does so with more training). The problem is a user having innocent intentions to improve their grammar, though potentially being seen as someone using AI to increase their posts.

Maybe "this post has been improved with AI" quote is a good idea to mitigate the above for those who are choosing to use AI to improve the grammar of their posts. For example:


This way people can see the original content and that the post was indeed improved by AI, and gives appropriate credits for using it to improve their post.

I don't think a post will be defined as being written by AI if it's self-composed. The use of grammar-checking tools will also not affect further accusations of the user using AI. What's more, today's grammar checker tools sometimes offer better sentence wording options that also won't scream that the text was written by a robot.
Another thing is when we see the dry speech of AI, speaking in definitions and in no way connected with the communication of a person on the forum. Just a wording of something, or some kind of conclusion. All posts written by AI signal themselves, and if you check the user's history earlier, for example, before the creation of the GPT chatbot, you will see a real difference in writing posts. Fans of AI-like tools need to think about this so that they don't get accused of cheating signature companies in the future.

It feels like AI might completely revise the whole constructive post and alter many words in the process. I mean yes you can say that to correct grammatical errors, to AI but say far as AI is used in creating content, I guess it says to use something like Grammarly since it just corrects some punctuation, spelling, etc.

This is for sure going to be a long discussion in the forum, Grammarly is accepted to some extent I mean using Grammarly could make your post detect as an AI. In my opinion, as long as you are the one writing the content if it is still acceptable to have the thought on your post, AI detectors seem right to me so if it wasn't detected as an AI as would say that it's fine. It's difficult to prove but it's a good basis I believed.

English is not a native language in many countries and that's the reason many people don't have good English despite having too much information about cryptocurrencies. These people are the one who rarely come to forums like Bitcointalk rather refrain from joining such forums. Grammerly free version is very much limited and just suggest some basic punctuation errors. I am sure the paid version of Grammerly is more helpful in identifying mistakes.
I would suggest rather using AI to correct errors, use to to improve your english. Since that will fix english related errors once and for all.

Why recommend the use of the later tools (grammarly) and frown or rather be skeptical about using AI to correct grammatical syntax. What actually do you think that does the correct in grammarly tool, is it not same AI. Just that the recent version of Ai's chatGPT are more elaborate and vast.
I do no think anything is wrong by letting AI correct your English grammar, provided that you are the original writter.

For the fact that their English is not very bad doesn't mean they should settle for it. Using this grammar correcting tools will in no doubt improve the English of the user. So, needless of limiting learning.

Maybe I should give it a try once in a while because my grammar is so bad. But I'm afraid that my writing will become stiffer to read. But seeing what the OP did I got a little inspired about something else related to using AI.

But for writing in this forum I want to keep my original writing even though the grammar might be messy. but as long as people understand what I write then that's enough. I'm even afraid that using AI to correct my writing will make my writing look like copy paste. too stiff and too perfect sometimes I don't like too much.

but now I'm on my way to try it out of curiosity about the result  ;D

I would recommend you and the OP to not use those automatic grammar fixers or any AI to fix the grammar. The AI content detectors will flag your hard work as AI written article. I have done it in past and I regret that decision because even using Grammarly for fixing the errors can make your content flagged. Now, I don't rely on those software, and I try my best to make my sentences grammatically correct . It's little hard in start but with time your grammar will be improved.

I have tried Grammarly and another software to fix my sentences and grammar but the result made me unhappy because I somehow unconsciously fed those AI content detectors. I must say that if you want to be on the safe side and at the same time you don't want to be tagged by others than learn to improve your own grammar rather than relying on such automatic grammar and sentence fixers. I know those apps will make your content appear more professional, but that might be harmful as your hard-work won't be appreciated.

You're not the only one, also I have bad grammar and now I start using Grammarly because this will help me to improve my grammar. But anyways English is our universal language so even though there's a time that we saw poor grammar but we understand the main content of his/her post. But we thank full that there's a tool to help us and improve our grammar. But For me Maybe using AI will make our life easier but there a negative sides do its better to stick out of AI for now.

I think there is no crime in doing so, but apart from using any AI to automatically correct grammar errors, there are still some other platforms that automatically correct grammar errors in sentences. But after making an original statement, when it's imported to a grammar editor, it doesn't change your statement entirely; it only makes corrections in punctuation and may also correct a wrong spelling. By so doing, it did not really change the original idea of the writer, so I don't think there is anything wrong with it. There are members who entirely use AI-based contact to create topics, which is what the forum is really fighting to stop.

If we keep in mind that original thread title included UI instead of AI, then we can assume that AI is not still a good to edit sentences. Okay, just kidding :D

The problem is that Grammarly knows absolutely every word you type and that's not so simply, they know and analyze what mistakes you make, what word you deleted, what word you changed, etc. When you send PM here, Grammarly knows what you wrote. If you only use it for posting, okay but when you use Grammarly extension, it has access on absolutely everything you type in message boxes and different fields, except the password and credit card detail fields.

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By the way, I think that if one learns English and wants to improve it, it's okay to use Grammarly sometimes but I would stick with Cambridge books and practice. It's good to read English literature but it can be very hard, so, news websites are another great way too.

They are not the best at creating grammar because I know there are a lot of mistakes with the structure. Additionally, sometimes it gives out wrong information, so you must also verify it. It may be grammatically correct, but it's still better to check it for yourself or use Grammarly to adjust it easily.

Addition to people interested in Grammarly, you can learn a lot more when you use the premium but it's quite expensive though.  :o

Why should we get much worries on correcting our grammatical errors while making a sentence when this had already been made possible and simple on the keyboard we use while typing, we can modify the keyboard functions to our taste and also read twice a sentence we are making before posting, we need to be very careful in seeking after the use of AI apps in other not to invite malicious attack on our devices unknowingly to us.

I think modifying our keyboard is for those using laptops; even they can easily add the Grammaly extension that automatically corrects grammatical errors while typing, but for those using Android mobile, I think it's not very much possible. Like you said, one really has to be careful to avoid some attacks, like some clipboard virus threads I read in this forum and other form of attacks. As long as one can write what others can comprehend, I see no reason for even bothering to use the AI grammar detector. If English is not a person's mother tongue but rather they only learned it, then no stress. The person can just write in a way they know others can read and understand.

These tools most times, while correcting errors and syntax of our content, deduce the quality and readability of the article. Quite correct, it polishes the article and adds some flairs to it, other than using it to dictate few spelling errors, I don't consider such tools helpful anymore. When Writing, it flows according to your thoughts and how you arranged it, if a third party app begin to edit it, without proofreading it to understand why you added "why" in a sentence it'll flag the why as inappropriate and following its suggestions can complicated the readability of the article. Even I noticed on Grammarly that the readability score of my contents drops once I start editing my work on the site.  However, using an AI plugin that suggests a totally different syntax to rewrite what you've written can be scored as 90% AI written post when checked on AI dictator apps or sites. I think sites like Grammarly and similar ones as mentioned by forum members can be a better editing tool to the AI on your browser.

That was stupid autocorrect from keyboard I use, title text wasn't filtered through ChatGPT/Lemur AI.


Possible on android too, swiftkey/gboard flow out sentences beautifully, even grammarly keyboard is available too. I use Fleksy myself, it's not that good on writing but it's other features like extension support which I prefer.

I do not see anything wrong if you will use AI for grammar correction.
I personally also ask ChatGPT AI sometimes to improve the sentence, usually if I want to not having lots of word repetition on my sentences. I also ask it sometimes to improve the clarity and the tone (free version of Grammarly doesn't include that), so it's really a big help if you are not on a premium subscription.

Although it's a great help, there are still times which it gives wrong outputs. Few times it had change the idea of the sentence, so I had to correct it again. Do not be to reliant and confident to each output given to you, take time to check nothing is wrong.

Another good thing about it is that it provides explanations about the reasons for the corrections. Having that, allows users to have the opportunity of understanding the proper grammar.

There should be nothing wrong of using it as the objective is to have a better constructed sentence (from your originally composed sentences), and not for getting info directly from the AI and posting it here or anywhere else (which you claim to be yours).

I think if the use of AI is not abused, then why not use it. I mean for correcting errors. If you write the basis of the text yourself and formulate your thoughts accordingly, then there can be nothing wrong with that. But I have a question, is it really necessary to have an ideal grammar on the forum. Here, many don't have very good English, but this doesn't prevent them from expressing their thoughts in such a way that everyone understands them. All the same, they do n't take an grammar exam in English, therefore, there is no strong need for correcting mistakes. Mistakes like this bitcointalk-community can afford to forgive. Therefore, if OP is not too lazy to do extra gestures with error checking with AI , then why not do it. As the saying goes, its up to you.

As long as other users understand what they're trying to convey, then of course it shouldn't be a big deal.
But some users are really bad at grammar, not only even with English, but also with the local language. The best advice for those who can't speak English properly is to use a local board instead.

So far I don't use AI for whatever reason, but I'm not native English speaker either. I hope most people don't have too much trouble to understanding what I'm trying to say in each of my English posts.

Certain systems have been added to this technology through which the AI ​​system answers the questions on its own.  Answering a question is as easy as it is possible to answer manually but it is not possible to answer the question so easily through AI technology. If the answer to a question is searched manually, the answer can be understood as soon as the question is answered, but if the question is asked in the AI ​​system, the AI ​​system gives the answer relatively difficult. Many unknown things can be easily known by using AI system. Which is very difficult for people to know.

There is no clear rule about how to use AI on bitcointalk but as a community who uses AI to abuse it for posting is not encouraged and also mods removed posts which are completely created by AI tool with simple questions.

But OPs case is not abusing with the tool in anyway, its more like premium version of grammarly tool but here we get it for free so it gives more accurate grammatical sentences which we miss when we write on our own which means it's not violating any forum rules and the tool is only used for betterment of our own contents then it can be allowed.

I agree As long as the idea is ours and the correction tool is only to correct the wrong use of grammar, AI is very different they are the ones who provide the idea, forums are for interactions and communications the human member should be the one to interact by a quote, reply or by creating a new discussion and he should use his own idea based on his thinking process, there should be human effort and a correctional tool like Grammarly can only be used to assists.

This technology has become a very useful and important technology for students. Students are finding simple solutions to grammars through AI technology, which previously required a private teacher to understand the grammars. Private teachers used to teach this subject at specific times but now such grammar related problems can be solved at any time. Not only grammar but various complex maths can be solved through this technology. 
Earlier students were more dependent on private teachers but now those who are connected with this technology have now become more dependent on this technology instead of private teachers.
Maybe in the coming days many private teachers will find other employment for themselves.

Technology has become a very popular, useful and important for students. Students are finding simple solutions to grammars through AI technology, which before we employed a private teacher to understand the grammars. But now you can solve or correct our grammars at anywhere and any time. And for here we write on our own I don't think it's not violating any forum rules, and the grammarly is only used for betterment of our own contents then it's might be allowed. Many unknown things can be easily known by using AI system.

AI has made most people very lousy and not willing to read, study and research. Using AI can be sometimes very frustrating as what you expect inline with your work might really not be the same and the meaning too is a clear sign that the  words churned out is not  in line with what one is trying to fit in

There was an incidence in my country where a university student used AI to write test but after the test, the lecturer failed her and boldly write it in her answer script that she used AI for the test which the lady did not deny the fact.

One should not get too addicted to AI as it may not be in a favourable situation the response when gotten compared to the natural.

Using AI tools to correct grammar errors is not a problem. These tools mainly focus on fixing punctuation and spelling mistakes without changing the writer's original ideas. However, relying solely on AI-generated content for forum topics goes against the forum's goals.

I don't think so... Because it's not written by AI, and it shouldn't be considered as an AI generated post. I don't think it's a bad idea to run one's post through spell check or other grammatical tools to reduce/eliminate grammatical blunders. Using myself as an example, after posting if I discover some errors in my write up, sometimes I would deliberately leave it alone to prove that the post is made by a human and not AI generated since one can still read and understand my post.

I don't think it's a problem to correct your original writing using any third-party tool, but make sure not to rely on it too much. Try to slowly improve your English so that you won't need it in the future. I know it's helpful sometimes since no one is perfect when it comes to grammar and anyone can make mistakes but it's fine as long as anyone here can understand what you're trying to say.

However, I think for better quality posts using punctuation and well-written sentences are important to earn merits(if you're looking to ranking up) as far as I've seen in this forum.

I do not think using an AI for grammar and spell check will be an issue. After all Grammerly does the same thing and a lot of members use it. Since, Lemur Android browser does allow extension, why not install Grammerly and use it. It will be better than the AI as you do not need to go to the AI evrrytime you write a reply.

Hmm.... an AI-powered spell checker would be much more useful than the existing dictionary-based spell checkers and even the grammar-based ones. Sounds like an interesting business idea.


Yeah but Grammarly is not using AI at all.


That should not be issue as long as the post is not incomprehensible. If that's the case, then a small amount of AI-powered formatting should help make it legible. No need to make posts impeccably perfect, as you said.

I think the post may likely been seen as AI generated post reason because those corrections the AI made is what actually attest to the post to be humanly written otherwise if you used a content generated tools you will still detects that is AI. Human created post aren't meant to be 100 percent exceptional so there might be some typo errors which fully defines the post to created by human and not bot or any tools out there.

I will like to suggest why not instead of using an A.I to correct grammatical errors while not use "Grammarly" which does the exact same work in a more easy and simpler manner, as Grammarly save you the stress of copying text from one place to another for grammar error correction, as in as much as you change your phone/laptop keyboard to Grammarly, you can easily make your correction right from the keyboard without any stress.