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Why are some online gambling platforms having high withdrawal fee? I know Bitcoin recently has a high transaction fee but that's no more right now, some online casinos are still asking for 5$ per transaction when it should be 1$ or less.

Not just only Bitcoin withdrawal, even coins with very low transaction fee, isn't this robbery? If you just signed up on a centralized exchange, you can pretend as if you want to withdraw, to know how much the gas fee costs, but on online casino, you will see this only after you have enough wins or funds for withdrawal.

I honestly observe this with many different crypto websites not even casinos. Some companies try to gain extra money through transactions. I also think its very close to robbery. Online casinos can generate huge amount of money through players/gamblers anyways. I think low fees promote usage anyways. I find it very awkward and disruptive. I think casinos should not treat their customers as cows that they will milk money away.

Some hot wallets need to be updated to fit in the current demand as relate to transactions,  not only in casino but even some exchanges have fixed fees that are relatively higher than the regular blockchain fees,  and these fees charges regardless of network conditions make it hard to use some of that platform so best practices are.

Always check the withdrawal fees before making your first deposit, and be sure of what amount you pay for fees at the point of withdrawal.

Can you mention the casinos that you saw high withdraw for altcoins? If you think that bitcoin withdrawal is high, you can be using altcoins that has low fee, like litecoin and Tron which I have seen on many gambling site to have a low fee. Also USDT on Tron network and on some other networks has a cheap withdrawal.

If you check exchanges, most of them increased their bitcoin withdrawal fee. Taking Binance as an example, the exchange increased the fee from 0.0002 BTC to 0.001 which is far higher than $5 with the recent price of bitcoin. Only the exchange that I am using that is better with very low fee is OKX and the lowest the exchange charges recently that I know is 0.00016 BTC which is more than $4.

Only casinos with bad management and practice will do this. Casino's with good management and practice will always want to make sure that they keep things normal for their customers and not extort them with any opportunity they have. Any casino that is identified as doing this cannot be trusted and I will advice anybody gambling on these casinos should immediately withdraw and seek a better and more customer considering casino.

It's true that withdrawal fees are quite high at casinos, that's probably their strategy go try and convince gamblers to leave their money at the casino and not withdraw immediately after a win. To me it doesn't feel like robbery because the casino also needs some support staff to verify withdrawal request. As long as we know about the high fees before hand there is not an issue as we can factor it in. I still don't feel comfortable of leaving large sums of money at the casino and will rather take it out even with a high withdraw fee. When signing up at a new casino I think it's possible to check out the withdrawal process and it also depends on the type of transaction we choose. I noticed that it's usually the cheapest to withdraw our money in the same way we deposit it.

You can always check the bitcoin transaction fee checker so that you may know the current status of the network and current recommended fees set. But you can also check if the casino set the high withdrawal fee as default since maybe they do it on purpose to make sure that each transaction will be sent more faster to the owners wallet. But also you can ask the casino representative directly about that since they can explain to you about the fees they set.

That was the norm before. 20k - 50k satoshis, I experienced before and so I left that gambling site. If you see then just leave them, you always have a choice. About their high transaction fees, I think it's because they are not using a pool. Sure, it's faster but it ain't cheaper. But if they are charging lower tx fees before and got higher just because of recent events, then you might as well wait for their maintenance so they can fix it back.

For other gambling sites, it sure is a robbery, you might as well pick reputable ones that have lesser transaction fees.
Stake.com is one of the gambling sites that charge less fees. 7k satoshis for Bitcoin at each withdrawal. If you want, you could just use their service instead.

Centralized exchange also charge high withdrawal fee, isn't this a robbery too? then why still use a centralized site. You have a choice to gamble with altcoins where you just need to connect through your non custodial wallet without need to transfer your coins to the casino. They will not charge any fee, but make sure you're gamble on a safe web 3.0 casino.

You don't need to be awkward to make a deposit or make a withdrawal at online casinos at this time, even though the Bitcoin withdrawal fee reaches $ 5, for me it's not an obstacle and a problem for us to make bets.

That is why you have to choose and play at casinos that offer many payment features in various types of crypto, for that, never deposit/withdraw in just one type of crypto, like Bitcoin, choose a few cryptos to make it easy for you to overcome your awkwardness.
Example: features of crypto types such as LTC, Doge and so on.

Talking about costs, many crypto users are currently switching to the LTC feature, whether it's in the deposit or withdrawal method, LTC costs only 0.001LTC for one transaction only spends $ 0.08, one time withdrawal, cheap isn't it.

Actually there are many other alternatives that you can do, at a time like today, Bitcoin withdrawal fees are quite expensive.

It's normal, casino is a profit oriented company, so they will charge anything to make profit. Fee for dormant account, withdrawal fee, or even deposit fee is possible implemented by the casino. Although most of casinos are using dynamic fees because of the previous Bitcoin fee suddenly increase, don't expect they only charge money they used to pay the miner. But there are few casinos have free withdrawal that you can check by yourself Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5333602.0)

The situation with mempool can change at any moment, and no one wants to pay fees to someone else out of their own pocket, and obviously not to constantly adjust them to the current situation, which would certainly be the most fair. If you look at what is currently happening with mempool, you can see that the current medium priority fee is around $3, and in some blocks even more - which again depends on the number of incoming transactions and the number of blocks (4 blocks were found in the last 5 minutes).


Maybe we can talk about something called a service fee, as is the case with CEX. In that case, the price of withdraw does not depend only on the price of the transaction, but also on the service you use.

I used to feel annoyed as well but it's probably for the player's convenience why they do this. Can you imagine if they lowered it to 10 sats/vb for your withdrawal and then suddenly the network becomes overloaded? The lowest priority shoot up to 50 sats/vb which means you'll have to wait hours or maybe days before your money arrives at your wallet. You wouldn't want that also unless you're not in a hurry.

What I know is that bitcoin, ether and ERC20 tokens are the ones that requires high fee. On exchanges and centralized gambling sites, the altcoins transactions are not high in fee. If there are still altcoins with high fee, there are still alternatives on most gambling sites that their transactions require low fees. What I think is that some people can be confused if they are only using bitcoin to gamble and what happen to bitcoin network recently can cause panic. I think this is about bitcoin transactions, not crypto transactions, and it should not be generalized on all coins.

Agreed. I know there's money that needs to be made and these Sportsbooks and casinos must find a way to make it somehow but this compounding 5 bucks is too much, enough to actually keep them afloat for months on end even if a large portion of their playerbase wins by a large margin. A little sad nothing could really be made to dissuade these casinos from imposing high fees other than boycott. The thing is that even when these networks aren't congested and fees are in a reasonable price point, these casinos somehow still charge 5 dollars to upwards of 10 bucks on some sites. This is just plain roadside robbery if you'll ask me! A universal price point must be established to ensure that no one is getting taken advantage of if you'll ask me. Til then we can only hope.

The recommended fee might seem low, but your withdrawal transaction can quickly get pushed back by an hour or longer because tons of transactions are still being sent, and some are willing to pay higher than $1. It happened with one of my transactions yesterday after the fees went as low as 20 sat/b.  

If it's not mentioned on the withdrawal page, you can always contact their live support, so you don't have to risk making a deposit and letting it sit at their casino for days. So far, withdrawal fees are probably the least of my worries when i'm using altcoins because even if they don't show the exact amount, it's always smaller than their Bitcoin withdrawal fee.

I hope also that some representatives of crypto-active casinos see this thread, after all why should casinos take advantage of gamblers who want to make withdrawals, it's clear they lose a lot of money while playing at the casino why are withdrawals still being charged additional fees while sometimes I know that transaction fees are not as big as requested and used, that's why I rarely find casinos that use XLM crypto because their transaction fees are cheap so it's difficult for casinos to take advantage of crypto.

I also find it too exaggerated for the withdrawal fees some casino sites sometimes they charge a withdrawal fee which is unreasonable even though using the Matic Polygon network it's not expensive but the average average is up to $1 withdrawal fee, it's weird to see, that's why I always choose the casino which is honest and has withdrawal fees that are truly reasonable and normal  ;D

I couldn't help but think they are also stealing from us. Taking advantage of the situation since we are trying to avoid withdrawing BTC due to high fees, this time they are also increasing the amount to deduct upon withdrawing altcoins.

I kind of feel the need to ignore it though compare to having to send BTC for more than $10 in 30 minutes. That's the condition for anyone trying to send out, I feel you but the 2nd option may still be a good option.

Recently fees have been high with Bitcoin transactions because the network was extremely backlogged. I imagine many services had to raise withdrawal fees as a result in order to make sure that their withdrawals go through in a timely manner and that they don’t lose a ton of money in the process. I think a solution might be to give users the option to have a longer withdrawal time with a lower fee so that transactions can be batched and sent with a low fee that might take some time to confirm.

Cryptocurrencies are highly volatile assets, which means that if the withdrawal fee is set in this asset, it also changes in the dollar equivalent. Casinos and other platforms that work with cryptocurrencies set an average or increased value of the commission, because they cannot change the established commission on a daily basis only because of those who count the commission in dollars. Any of us can compare the commissions of gambling sites and choose the ones they like.

Casinos are not the only sites guilty of increasing their withdrawal fees, exchange are also increasing their withdrawal fees and that's because of the congestion on the Bitcoin network. We just have to manage for now, soon everything will return to default.

The only coin to be affected are bitcoin, if any casino request high fees for withdrawing other altcoins. You should avoid using such a casinos as they're thief or experiencing a glitch in the withdrawal system. Although altcoins should work effectively.

Some online casino are just scammers and they wait until you're in need of the money won before they start delaying your withdrawal with different unnecessary excuses. Any casinos that overpriced should be avoided as we have many casinos available.

I totally agree! Charging excessively high withdrawal fees is just not cool, and it's a clear sign of bad management on the part of the casinos. It's like they're trying to squeeze every last penny out of their players, which is definitely not a good way to build trust and loyalty. Reputable casinos understand the importance of reasonable and transparent fee structures that don't leave players feeling like they've been taken advantage of.

Of course, cryptocurrencies are a volatile asset with a dynamic transaction fee that changes from minute to minute. However, it doesn't justify casinos charging exorbitant or unjustifiably high withdrawal fees. After all, it's in their best interest to maintain a balance between covering operational costs and offering reasonable fees that don't deter players from withdrawing their funds. Unless, of course, they intentionally set high withdrawal fees as a strategy to discourage users from cashing out

Most of the time we were able to see the rise in the withdrawal fee when there is increase in the onchain transaction fee. Casinos mostly have some fixed value, but the onchain transaction doesn't take a fixed value, so depending on the time the transaction fee will be paid receiving a fixed amount from the gamblers. Now there is rise in the fee and the same can't be compensated with what they have set as the transaction fee. This is the reason why there is rise in withdrawal fee. Maybe some Casinos were making good profit through this, but not all the Casinos does this kind of business.

The only casino on which i could say that charging huge fee despite of the low tx fee on market condition is Stake specially on their Bitcoin withdrawals which do ask out 0.0001 or 0.0002 or something like that.

No matter on what network condition would be then it would really be staying up like this.How much more if they would be making out some adjustments according on whats been asked? For sure they would really be putting up more than on what the network requires. Is this surprising? No its not. There are platforms who do snip out profits out of these fee add ups which it not shocking.
Most of gambling sites are really having that dynamic fee which would automatically adjust basing on the market fee condition which it is always been that recommendable
or preferred and not into those platforms who do ask more.

As much as my knowledge is concerned, at least most of the crypto-gambling sites, are supposed to have a fixed amount of withdrawal fees regardless of the situation in the memory pool right now. Besides, why use a fiat value on your computation? Mentioned the exact bitcoin amount as the exchange rate varies time per time. Your 10,000 satoshis for example might don't have the same value yesterday or tomorrow.

Can you tell us what gambling site you are referring to just for our reference?

We can have a much better and more accurate response if you will share detailed information about your concern.

This is why it's important to know these costs beforehand before making a deposit and start playing with that platform. You'll never know what you're getting into especially with the withdrawal fees. If a casino platform has that high of a fee to begin with, I'd never turn back once I leave. If they can't make a profit off of just the games that they are offering and are getting some of the profits from the users' wins through withdrawals, they shouldn't really be operating a casino at all.

Then again, it's their platform, they impose the rules and we just play on them. Better look around and seek for other alternatives that do not ask for such a ridiculous withdrawal fee.

Yes, this is one of the things whenever i do see some new platforms or casinos that emerge on the market on which having that withdrawal fee is really that something to be concerned of. You cant really just ignore
this thing even though its small but something a huge factor which other people been that trying to look or check on because on the time that they do see that the fee rate or price is high than with the usual
network requirements or needs then this is where discouragement and lose of interest would start and would be finding out some another place on which they would really be seeking or looking that offers less fees.
No matter how small the differences is if they would see about $1 0r more difference then people would be having no doubt or second thoughts on transferring. You cant really stop people no not to be mindful
about these usual stuffs and paying up more bucks for just pulling your money isnt really that giving a good feeling.

$ 5 in my opinion is still standard and not too expensive. If some online casinos experience increased transaction fees it is because of the crowded Bitcoin Network, but that only applies to casinos that use crypto networks.
If you want a withdrawal fee of $1 or less, I don't know what gambling platform can do that. But try to check online gambling platforms that integrate the Bitcoin Lightning Network. that might be an alternative because the lightning network uses a cheaper and faster fee.

It's always like this: When the mempool congests or there is another factor that justifies an increase, then the rates go up instantly. But when things normalize, rates take much longer to fall and sometimes they stay at the same value for good.

However, the best form of protest we can do is to simply stop playing on those sites that charge abusive fees. Because we have many good sites, competition is high and we must value those sites that practice the most honest values with players.

I recommend you to take a look at Duelbits ;)

it is our responsibilities to know and learn first how casino sites are asking for fees and yes remember that it is our money  and some casino thought that we will only withdraw after winning then we aren't caring about how much they will take us for the transaction to take place .

choose your casino mate never deal with those who has so high fees before getting our money.

actually there are so many sites here that has fair in dealing with this kind , like our signature tells us , play only with reliable sites and yes all of the sites I only playing are good at this.

We have to get a fair solution on the issue. With a little difference, they can try to steal big Amount from the clients. This is a simple technique of the some casino providers through which they are fooling us in the name of transaction in front and it is not known how long this situation will last. However, if a reputable casino do the same thing, it should be complained about the matter, i think casino providers will try to do something logical in this respect.

If the network is clogged and the transaction fee is rising, what choice do the casinos have? They will also increase the fees. First, to make sure the transactions won't be stuck forever. Second, the casinos don't like to be pestered with complaints of very slow withdrawals. They could lose users because of it. And since they can't subsidize or pay for all of their users' fees, they have no choice but to also increase their withdrawal fees. Third, they're doing business. If the centralized exchanges earn from transaction fees, why can't they?

But these are not Bitcoin-only casinos. They offer various crypto options. Choose the cheapest.

The withdrawal fee is charged to the gamblers but there may also be a withdrawal fee paid from the casino although we have to find and confirm it through the support service. And it also happens on exchanges where we as traders also have to pay a withdrawal fee which is taken from our withdrawal amount. It seems like it's to cover the costs that the casino or exchange should have incurred so they did it that way. And it is also income for the casino because of those costs there must be something the casino or exchange can keep. So we shouldn't be surprised by that.

After reading and commenting on this thread I decided to take a look at what Stake was charging as a withdrawal fee. I saw that they are only charging slightly over a dollar to withdraw your BTC. That doesn’t seem like a crazy fee to me. I half expected they would have raised it by 10x due to the recent network issues. So if withdrawal fees are concerning to you, check out the link in my signature.

Well, this is why one must do their research and learn everything about a platform before using it, I didn't know that casinos don't let you know the withdrawal fees until you have enough money in your account to check that which shouldn't be the case and they should be transparent about it in front of the public and let them decide if they want to use the platform or not.

Anyway, some platforms are actually yet to make the necessary changes after the fees have become normal, just like Binance, it didn't change the withdrawal fees for Bitcoin until today and users were finding it pretty inconvenient.

I wouldn't call that cheap, since most of these platforms allow for bets lower than $1, so asking $5 just for withdrawal is pretty high, especially from people who live in poor countries.
I know it's becoming somewhat of a standard, but it doesn't mean we should accept it without complaint, especially if they want a $5 withdrawal fee on altcoins that offer very low fees of less than $1.
What are we paying for actually? Are we paying $5 for the automated software to approve our 0.5 USD fee for a $10 withdrawal? :D
There are casinos that don't take any additional fee apart from whatever is required by the network.

The Bitcoin network is congested, everyone who transacts Bitcoin on-chain right now is having the same difficulty, the exchange and other centralized entities are not left out on this one, and I think asking $5 per BTC withdrawal is actually not reasonable because let's say you want to spend a single output to a segwit address with a 110vb, with the low priority of fees been 24sats/vb, you will be spending 2,640 sats on transaction fee, that's about 7.1 cents. However, you and I know that Casino is a center for business, they will use wallet addresses like Legacy as an excuse to increase the fee and they will say that they are doing it in case the network becomes congested in the process, they will have to adjust to the mining fees required to get your transaction very fast.


As I have said earlier, they are business people and what they are doing is business strategy, they don't want a single chain to have all their transactions and it is possible that they don't have much reserve of those coins, so they increase the fee to discourage customers from requesting for withdrawals.

It's a really psychological trick I would say. When a user doubles his money, he goes to withdraw and sees that the withdrawal fee is so much that the user prefers to not withdraw it and gamble more. Which results in losing all your money and that is beneficial to the gambling platforms. IDK if it happened with any of you, but I have seen this sort of thing happening.

Yeah this drives me nuts when online casinos have ridiculously high withdraw fees. I think it’s simply a way for them to make money, which doesn’t seem like much, but over time and over the course of all those transactions it’s adding up.

Regardless, it’s still better than the way it used to be where bitcoin wasn’t available and cashing out meant receiving a shady check from some offshore nation.

I feel sorry for casinos charging so expensive fees, because even though they may imagine to be having advantage by charging so much from gamblers, they are going to be the main prejudiced ones as soon as small gamblers find an alternative casino which has cheaper transactions' fees where they feel confortable depositing few bucks to play without worries of cashing out later.

To be greedy is never a positive decision for a business, rather it's always detrimental, because customers will reject any services they feel abused by.

This can defined as a strategy adopted by some gambling sites because they know that whales doesnt care about It.
perhaps when many sites Will decide to use light networks to manage withdrawals and deposits, the high  fees will be a "thing of the past". I think there is a bit of "reluctance" to accept this upgrade, but is something that cannot be avoided.

From user POV its a robbery but from the business POV its their source of revenue generation, its same on the cryptocurrency exchanges too normally they seek about $25 dollar worth of Bitcoin as withdrawal fee not as transaction fee so they can make money in this way too and it's justifiable too because of the service they are providing and nature of cryptocurrency value.

Yes that's robbery. They have the right to ask a withdrawal fee for the bitcoin withdrawals but they shouldn't do this for the other cheap alts that transact nearly for free. You can also vote with your wallet. Don't play on the casinos that ask ridiculous withdrawal fees. Support the casinos that has low withdrawal fees and that problem will solve itself. You can also make posts in the casinos own ANN thread so the manager of the casino will be aware of that problem. If nobody tells him about this, he will think that he is doing it right.

For whales maybe a withdrawal fee of $5 or $10 doesn't matter to them, but what about small gamblers of course it's huge and that value can actually be used to bet as well, so I think small gamblers will definitely look for a casino that has cheaper withdrawal fees and of course it's safe , I know a lot of casinos still have high withdrawal fees and I hope they also change the withdrawal fees a little with lower fees so that gamblers feel comfortable playing.

I think casinos should pay attention to small gamblers who actually play much more loyally than big gamblers whose number of players can only be counted on the fingers of their hands, but this is where it matters that casinos rarely pay attention to that.

Many services are not interested in the user making many I/O transactions (the service bears the risks of KYC/AML), so they deliberately inflate the cost so that the user does as few such operations as possible. This probably affects user loyalty, but since so many services have a high commission for such operations, it can be assumed that the profit received from this compensates for the loss of loyalty.

Aren't you free to choose another casino if one of them has high withdrawal fees. Online casinos are also closely related to the business they run, so they try to provide high withdrawal fees for each transaction, the goal is obviously to get much bigger profits, but if they intend to develop the casino to be bigger and have a good reputation usually costs will continue to be adjusted when they find a lot of criticism.

It's better to choose a casino that offers many features, both deposit and withdraw using DOGE and LTC, so you can convert as you wish without being burdened with large fees when making a deposit or withdrawing, there are many options you can take and it depends on how you choose before.

I guess it boils down to business, the high transaction fees are going to fluctuate though, as you can see in the mempool right now, ~50 sat/vB for a low priority and then ~79 sat/vB if you want your transactions to be included in the next block.

So that is expensive again, it fall to like ~15 sat/vB, but here we go again and it could increased this weekend again.

But I do agree in your sentiments, the best case scenario for us is that casino's not charging as transaction fees as it is a burden for us specially if we have lost so much money already to them.

^ Definitely right, it is business that they will also generate profit by this withdrawal fee but as I know most of them use a third party when it comes to withdrawal fee and they called it, (Payment Processor Fees). It could be to sustain their operations and invest in further platform development. Online casinos often rely on third-party payment processors to handle transactions. These processors may charge fees for their services, which can contribute to the overall withdrawal fee. So the transaction fee on the network plus their processing fee, looks like a robbery to us.

More of policy than robbery.
Unfortunately, that's just how platforms work; they have different withdrawal fees. Factors I guess why in some platforms withdrawal fees are high is price of the crypto as the mode of payment, being registered, and high quality of service. Whenever the market value of Bitcoin is increasing, transactional fees are also getting higher. On the other hand, a platform have paid for its registration or whether it is regulated or taxated, they have to put a raise on the withdrawal fee to cope up with this in return. Lastly, if the platform has high quality of service, top of the line UI and other features we don't often see among majority of gambling sites 'coz that is somewhat their investment; putting a lot of effort to the platform and to make up with those effort is high internal fees.

Fees could neither be;
Static or Dynamic on which we know that if its static then it would really be a fixed amount of fees which would really be deducted out on the time that you do make out withdrawals
and most of them are really having that dynamic which is something preferrable because you would really be basing up on network situation in regarding  the fees but of course it would
really be having its cons because they would really be adjusting according on the market condition which we do have recently where fees rose upto $20 per transaction which is something that very high for anyone
to take as means of withdrawal fees.

This is why on the times on which we do look that each platform does have their own taking on setting up withdrawal fees whether of those two types. Some are making money out of it
and some arent really just minding that much and there are even ones who do offer withdrawal fees which is great but not something that common nowadays.

It is accepted that they are using Payment processors fee from 3rd party provider
but the problem here is that there are almost casino sites that uses 3rd party but they are not asking for higher fees , this is the question needs to be answered , because comparing to others , there are only fee that charge so much high then what is the issue about that?
I still asks this in mind though I am not affected because never play in casino with such fee collecting ,
casinos that I am playing has literal lower fees and this is why they are called most trusted and played casino in online world specially crypto casinos.

There are two reasons for this:
1. The fee changes every day, setting a high fee ensures that the casino will never lose money on the withdrawals they process.
2. It's another means of profit. Casinos are not built to be fair, they are built to make money. If they can make $1-$4 per withdrawal and they process 100-1000 withdrawals per day, that's anywhere between an extra $100-4000 in profit for them.

So, why not? Gamblers need to withdraw, or they need to win more to make up for the fee (which increases the chance they lose everything) so it's smart business from their perspective.

Is it right? No. The fee should be dynamic as to current network conditions, that would be the fair and right thing to do. However, casinos are not fair, or right. So you can't expect that from them.

I reckon most casinos( or any centralized company thay handles crypto) have a set amount that they use, plus a service fee. It might not dynamically change depending on immediate changes in the mempool, so they're slow in the update, and if they actually do, it's either because the fees became higher than what they originally set or because of a cycle, e.g. having a set fee for the entire day whichever is set at say, 12mn, where updates will only ever happen if as I said, fees go higher than what they set.

It doesn't really hurt them that way, could even be additional profit so they don't particularly mind having to change it. It's just business, and their customers still use them so they don't really see any need to actively reduce/adjust the system.

Very true, it's not only some online casinos but also some exchnages and other websites too, they solely making money through withdrawal fees, for example, OKEX has the cheapest withdrawal fee for tokens on ERC-20 but compare Kucoin, is a cheating bastard on this part, they take up to 12$ for tokens withdrawal while OKex takes 3$, I've seen some thread about withdrawal fee of all available online casinos, you should do your own research on that.

Crypto exchanges and casinos are built to make money, but only few of them want to be less greedy, that's why I will keep using Binance and Okex exchange more than any other, I am using Roobet as my main gambling platform and fees are fair enough, just find one that suits your taste.

I feel your pain bro  :D I immediately thought of this exchange as soon as I saw this topic. But why 12? I withdrew USDT a couple of months ago and these bastards charged me 25 dollars and to be honest after such a predatory commission I have no loyalty to them. They have no KYC (within the limits that interest me) and everything seems to be fine there, but this robbery when withdrawing my funds made me angry.

I noticed on some casinos that they are trying to take advantage of the bitcoin situation but the I wouldn't blame them. I would blame the gambler who returns to them over and over again when they have other options. I also understand that casinos use this fees to offset some their their costs such as operational costs, and also for processing withdrawals. You may want to reach out to their customer care agents to get clarifications and inquire what your other options may be.

It is still relatively recently that these high cost transactions were occurring on the blockchain, it's possible that casinos started to enforce much higher transaction fees because they were getting complaints of incomplete withdrawals. Maybe they've manually interfered with the fee amounts and need to reset whatever intervention caused this. Ultimately it is a fault of crypto that transaction fees could even spike up so high, so your annoyance might be misplaced but it's also fair that these companies which make a living from such transactions become better at adapting their software to the up to the minute environment. Transaction fees last time I checked were still relatively high compared to a few weeks ago, even if it was way from the peak.

On this situation, they can't shoulder the dynamic fees that's being set in the network and that's why those withdrawal fees that they set are also changing.

Not to blame these casinos but they're just doing that depending on the status of the network. Because if you look now at the mempool, the typical quickest transaction and its fee is around more than $4.

Thus, this is being adjusted by the casinos that have that much fees in your opinion. So, they're also sending that adjustment to their customers that are about to withdraw.

Except for a few coins, almost all altcoins have low withdrawal fees. Bitcoin and Ethereum fees are just out of reach but on the Tron network you can still withdraw coins for nominal fees.

There is no fault on the part of the casino sites to increase withdrawal fees on the Bitcoin network and ETH network, if the fees are high then they have to pass along to the players. It is possible, however, to take alternative measures in light of the current situation and considering the needs of users. If you withdraw Bitcoin from the casino at such a fee, there will be no profit. It may be possible to introduce a swap system in this case.

Casinos can introduce BTC to LTC or BTC to TRX swap systems if they want, then I think these problems will be solved.

Regards

Duke

This is a broad day robbery and u think the gambling  regulatory body should look into this matter and bring an end to it before it finally  gets out of hand.
There are several  things that I find awkward  on other casinos especially  on the new ones and except for the high transaction  fee which is a red light to me, the other is time or duration  for payment processing  and the moment a casino delays either deposit  or withdrawal, then it's also a red light for me.
Transparency is one major factor that has been in my consideration list for a long period  of time now and the moment a casino  isn't transparent, then it's a no go area for me.

well, if you have seen that they are charging unreasonable fees, then, don't play on the site. just plain and simple. because they have their reasons why they are charging such fees. and if you think you can't change what they have set, then just look for another site which you think is much better when it comes to fees. but of course, fees is not the only reason why you should alter your casino. check if they have no complaints regarding withdrawal. because they may have lower fees, but it will take time before you can withdraw. so sometimes it is better to pay higher tx fees instead of low fees but there's no assurance when can you get your money.

This could be the problem, even if you use alternative with a cheaper fees, the site will still collect its fixed fees. Maybe this is for the services, or what but it is still not right to collect it since we are already paying the cost on playing on their site. Well, regulations doesn’t care that much with the fees as long as that site is paying the taxes right, consumers or the gamblers are always the one who pays more, this is not new to a gambling site.

Here's some real time situation in regarding fees about on how platforms would really be doing it;

-Static or Fixed Fee -- Doesnt change up no matter what the network condition
-Dynamic Fee- Moves along on the recommended network fee
-Static or Dynamic fee + house fee or charge.

Complaining about the additional charge? Its not really something new because this is business and they could put up on whatever things that they do want.
If you dont like their policies or those features then you could always jump into other places on which the best one in regarding to this is to those
platforms who do offer free fee which is something that unusual nowadays for us to see but if ever there's one then i do really like on having that
compared to those who do really ask for more.

If there's no reason to increase the fee for those altcoins that don't have network traffic, it's not right and justifiable to have those chains increased as well.
While for Bitcoin it is understandable why the fees have been changing and not constant at these times because of such factors. With this matter, ask directly the casino why even those low fee transactions and altcoins have to get some increase on its withdrawal fees.
And that's for you to have a clarity why they've also increased the fee, only them can answer that outrightly as most of us here are just guessing.

I agree with you on this- I think this is more of a management issue than of the high tx issues of cryptocurrencies that everyone is currently experiencing.

With high transaction fees, gambling companies can at least gain some sort of monetary advantage in this kind of scheme. Generally, bad management of casinos have a constant tx fee posted on their website. Most likely, they did not even bother to update their tx fee and just made it at a constant price (which is around $5+) for their convenience and advantage.

To avoid this kind of issue, it is highly recommended that you play on a reputable gambling website. New gambling websites that are less than a year are prone to his kind of management scheme.

Any casino that is still doing this are only tarnishing there image and reputable because it is very obvious that the network fee had reduced even though it has not gotten to the normal fee that we use for our normal transaction. We still have to wait and be patient for a while since the beginning of this network issue that had made many casinos and other online platforms to stop paying or allowing transactions in Bitcoin. We can as well make transaction with altcoins to enable us have a quick withdrawal to avoid unnecessary waiting for transaction to be confirmed.

The fees are mentioned before you can withdraw. Also centralized exchanges have higher withdrawal fees. So if you can deposit and withdraw from an exchange just only to see the fees, then why can't you do the same with the casinos? Deposit and see how much the fee is...
Like others said, if Bitcoin fee is too much for you, then use other altcoins with lower fees.

the moment we deposit stands that we are accepting how much they are asking us upon withdrawal because it is their rules and yes we comply as we play on their site.
we have the rights to choose wherever to play but the problem here is that most of us are not checking the terms and will be shocked once withdrawal comes.

That's business, maybe they cut fees on games and increase them on withdrawal fees, or there are good services offered by them or various other reasons, of course gambling platforms charge high fees for a reason. It doesn't make sense if they charge high fees but the services they offer seem mediocre, if so, you as a user can choose to use another gambling platform, because out there there are still several online gambling platforms with the best service but with more reasonable fees.

$5 for withdrawal fees at the casino is quite expensive, if small players make withdrawals, the profits will be reduced quite large, for example, profits of only $25 are reduced to only $20. I know a lot of casinos use payment processor services, so maybe the fee is set by the service, but if there are things that are unpleasant for the players, the casino should be able to consider using other services that can make players get cheaper withdrawal fees.

If there is a casino that also takes advantage by applying high enough withdrawal fees, it shouldn't be done because the profits from the gaming activities of its users should be enough, especially with the intense competition in the world of casinos, so it's very likely that users will look for other casinos that can provide more benefits to them instead of staying at the casino, but I have never found a casino that applies such a large withdrawal fee and even many casinos lower it as what Roobet casino did some time ago so now the withdrawal fees there are quite cheap, even when the Bitcoin network is unstable like now I can't find a casino that raises withdrawal fees because usually, the casino will process a lot of withdrawal in one transaction not one by one.

There is no problem with that but the problem like the OP said is that the transaction fees remains to be the same even though everything is now back to normal. I am thinking that the casino is delayed to update their fee because maybe they are only doing an automation and admins are not around yet but as long as someone informed them about the issue, I am sure they will do their best to revert it.

For now, they can follow your advice which is to switch on other cryptos except only ETH because I think ETH fees are still the same. I don't know if there is still a hope for this coin to be fixed but that is not my concern anymore as I am not a fan of it.

Even though I didn't gamble much so I could not be able to understand how the gas fees worked in other sites since the site I use the transaction fees is normal, I think these practices are wicked because they do not treat their customers well. Some customers may win a small amount of money, but if their transaction fees are too high, how did they expect their business to grow? I'm sure they may even lose customers instead of gaining more.
I will advise people using any gambling site to just pick their preferred one to gamble since there are many sites out there and if you don't have enough money to gamble in the site where the fees is too much I believe there are some that there fees is low. I know you must encounter the transaction fees before making the withdraw or deposit.

I see nothing bad from casinos charging a lot for withdrawals in any cryptocurrency. The reason why they do that is convenience for their customers. Gamblers get their money as quick as possible. If casinos dont use ultra-mega-fast withdrawal, gamblers immediately come to support and forums to cry that they are scammed, because casinos froze their funds for X hours/days. How do long you think it will be reasonable to pay for BTC withdrawal? 1 sat and wait for months, huh ?

Not all of them does that, you can always check the coins they support and possibly convert to your choice if such feature is supported to the coin you can withdraw with a lower transaction fee, this also depends on the casino being used and the rate they charge per withdrawal made.


If it were to be base on the past weeks experience with the introduction of ordinals then they are fare enough because a normal transaction fee cost about $20 or more before things goes down while if a casino charges only about $5 is not too much that time.


You can as well hodl your coin during those periods and make the transaction later, but that's not robbery or scam because everyone was affected in this except if you don't make a transaction.

Yeah you're right but except for this period  that there is an attack on blockchain result to so much transaction fee, then I see no reason why my withdrawal ms from a bitcoin casino should take so much time because I personally check for complains and ratings as well as customer reviews on every site before proceeding to making any deposit on the site.
But whatever the case might be, I still believe  that transaction fees should be considered  when trying a new casino as personally  I don't think it is right for me to charged abnormally  when I can get same exact service if not more better on on a lesser fee.

It's actually more than earning revenue if they are charging insanely high fees even when the actual transaction fees have become normal and transaction fees were high only for the Bitcoin network and not for every other blockchain and if they are charging high fees for tokens that have very low transaction fees then they are obviously robbing their gamblers.

There are many more platforms as well that are providing the same services and they are charging relatively low transaction fees so we can't really say that it is justifiable if they are charging this much. We should either abandon such platforms or they should reduce the fees.

The casinos should know that our goal is to make a killing, not to subsidise their lighting costs. You can bet your bottom dollar that the fees to withdraw money feel like broad daylight robbery.

I am joking, of course, but how irritated are you? Completely comprehend it. Rather like being sent on a wild goose chase, wouldn't you say? These astronomical charges may be designed to discourage us from making frequent withdrawals. One possible explanation is that these gaming centres are trying to recoup their operating costs. Casino maintenance is no joke, what with all the money that must be spent on transaction fees, security updates, software revisions, and more.

However, we must not let them off the hook so easily. Time for doing something. Let's band together to reduce these prices and have our voices heard. We'll keep putting our money where our mouth is, on sites that respect our rights, until they give in.

There has 2 types to getting a profit.
- From the service.
- From the fee transaction.

It depends on them, however the decision is still in the user's side. If you think cannot pay fee for 1$+ then, you are feel free to choose the other casino. But that's how the business work searching a profit in these business.

It's also same happening in exchange.

But we know we can't do anything about it and just follow the rules and actually, if the casino has other coin options, you can choose other coins that don't have too high transaction fees.
And this is also what gamblers think who manage to win some money.
But if casinos don't lower their transaction fees when things return to normal, it will make the members dislike them and they may move to another casino that doesn't have such high transaction fees.
And nowadays, transaction fees for bitcoins have decreased compared to a few days ago so casinos should also think about this and lower transaction fees in their casinos right away.

so far even though bitcoin transaction fees have gone up high but in other altcoins to withdraw funds I don't think I have ever experienced an increase in fees like that in altcoins. I use popular casino sites here and almost a few that I use never have high transaction fees on altcoins and usually I use Tron, USDT, Doge and LTC all of them have no increased fees.
I'm curious which casino do you mean?

If casinos are charging high fee for transaction then it is wrong. If any other platforms are doing that, Casinos should not do that because visiting is high and also they have different ways of making money from customers so they should charge less in transaction fees. Though Bitcoin fee transaction is still high as well but to some extent it has come down a little bit so they the casinos should also consider that with their customers. If a casino is charging high, indirectly they are pursuing their customers away from gambling.

AFAIK, more or less the withdrawal fees are similar on the reputed casinos and if someone is using a casino is charging high withdrawal fee and found an alternative which offers the same service with low fee then just move to it. I know some reputed exchange 5x times of actual transaction fee for the transaction to proceed but still they are considered as the reputed trading platform so we can call them as robbers and abandon their services?

I think loyalty status is the only thing that makes user stick to the same casino regardless of the fees. Some casino offers much better bonus and benefits for VIP which players is benefiting with. It’s very hard to change a casino just because the fee increases while you have a high VIP level on a casino that gives you a good benefits. This is the reason why the user stay since withdrawal is not too frequent to be pay because we are only depositing minimal times.

Same as exchange, Some exchange sometimes offer a much better rate and giveaways that makes trader stick on it despite of high fee since they can get more rewards on it compared to the fee expenses.

Yes, those casinos are clearly taking advantage of us as much as they can. It only proves that they are not worth to play and cannot be trusted. That’s the reason why we need to be careful in choosing for an online casino, the one that is more secured and is proven to give customer support rather than luring its customers with high gas fees. Robbery is always bad, so we should learn to avoid online casinos that is clearly practicing this negative treatment towards its players or users.

In short, they are charging you more because you are using them. But when mempool is full, it's just practical to put more money for fees so you'll get them faster. This used to be a problem mainly with exchange withdraw fees. And still is going to be depending on the mempool.

But there are casinos that charge basically nothing compared to your experience so feel free to shop around. Stake gets my vote with 7k sats btc fee.

Always actually falls down into someones preference because there are ones who could really just withstand or accept even if that x5 more when it comes to fess as long they've been comfortable on the current platform that they are dealing with rather than on making use of a site which they arent comfortable with despite on having that cheap fees. Businesses could really be having that different way or source of
revenue but having that additional fees isnt really something that you could really put focus on because most  of them does offer the minimal.

Dont know on why people are really bothering that much of the fees which most of the time its really that dirt cheap but i do understand on some people who are just small time gamblers
would really be seeing this thing as a huge issue on the time that they do facing up some huge additional which is something that would really vary into each platform
and this is where selection do really happens.

I don't think that they charge more fees so that they can use this money for their operational costs since they already earn enough revenue to cover that with the money they are getting as profit when gamblers lose. If they use this excuse in front of their players that they are using the extra money they charge as fees for operational costs of the platform then it is a very lame excuse, to be honest.

They should be transparent and straightforward with these things, if they are really running short on revenue and using this method to cover the costs then they need to let their players know about it so that they understand the situation and either decide to stay or leave for another casino with lower fees.

That is cheating their players.  I am glad that I am playing in Stakes, during the surge of transaction fees, Stake does not change their withdrawal fee.  They are still charging with less than $2 while the blockchain fee is more than $20.


Casinos' other source of earnings is their withdrawal processing fees.  So it is not surprising that many casinos are charging their player way more than the blockchain transaction fee.  It is their opportunity to earn from their service so they will take that opportunity.

But it could be that the casino charges its members more when the members want to withdraw their money. This is because the transaction fees on the network have also increased, making casinos have to increase their transaction fees. And usually, there will be a notification from the casino that they are increasing the transaction fee due to the network's increased fees. Hence, the casino has to adjust the fees accordingly. Once the fees are back to normal, the casino will also notify its members that the fees are back to normal and have been reduced.

On the common way, casinos don't have that kind of high transaction fees like that experience with exchanges, but if one comes across any that is taking an abuse on such, then it's better to try other recommendations because they may be taking advantage on others in that while everything had gone down to a bearable limit, which measn we must be very sure we are using a trusted casino and can also track the mempool to know the current fee on transaction and see if they are making an additional fee or not from their own end.

Based on my experience, large transaction fees are only present during mempool congestion, when all platforms are experiencing high fees. However, I did not experience any abuse of their transaction fees, either for deposits or withdrawals, at the reputable casinos I have been playing at. I suppose it all depends on the casino, and if you keep running into this issue, you might choose to switch to another trustworthy casino that just charges minimal transaction costs.
You don't always have to deal with excessive transaction costs because there are many reliable casino sites to select from. We should do rid of the casinos that are actually taking advantage of transaction fees and profiting from them rather than having to pay for every transaction.

not many casinos do that automatically and change transaction fees in real time, not only that even big exchange sites like binance just can't do it in real time often profit from user transaction fees whereas transaction fees are very cheap at that time, casinos that doing in real time it's not much and only big casinos.

Small casinos don't even care about stealing transaction fees from their users, as long as it's profitable for the casino that's fine for them, but problematic for us active gamblers who want to withdraw our money from the casino. Just a suggestion, gamblers should look at the withdrawal transaction costs before making a deposit to measure their ability to withdraw.

They were supposed not to be doing that way, that was robbery on the gambler's side. Even if they are using the said platform, they should not the network congestion as an excuse to charge the gambler otherwise, that casino should be ignored. Of course, I don't have to stick to such a platform when I know they are overcharging and milking me. Maybe if that is just an option to fasten our transaction, that can be considered but if not, that is something we need to know more about. Maybe $2 is a little bit acceptable but for $5, that seems unfair.

There is one thing I know about online gambling deposits and withdrawals, you don't have to use Bitcoin by force, if Bitcoin transaction fee is too high you can go with altcoins, it shouldn't matter to you since you are planning to gamble with the money..

If you plan to withdraw in BTC from a online casino and the fee is too high you can still use another withdrawal option like altcoins too or in USD if you care less about privacy, some online casinos do have high gas fee like you said but once you find them out you can avoid them.

The reason we decide to gamble on a particular online casino is because of the fun and experience,  if I am satisfied with the functionality of a online casino and it has high withdrawal fee I will choose to stay so far they have other ways that I can use for withdrawal.

Hmmm maybe they just want to add extra more fee so that when the market price goes pump they will not have any problem but when it dumps they will  get more profit . They also do that in order for them to get more profit to their gamblers but it is unfair of course, so the thing is we need to deposit enough amount and then withdraw amount that is bigger so that fee will not be too painful.

That's a good option for sites which has an in-house exchange from one coin to another.
There are some gambling sites which doesn't have an in built exchange and we can only withdraw the coin to the same network.
In such situations the problem persists and I think the only solution is to find an alternative platform which serves your needs.

I have also noticed that some online casinos have not addressed the issue of withdrawval fees, they seem to be doing the same some exchanges do and charge over estimating the cost of the network, for the sake of speed.

Honestly, it would not be so difficult to solve, all it takes is some specialized software which would allow to stockpile withdrawvals and then send them out in bulk with a proper fee, which is not need for it to be exaggerated.

Such mechanism would need someone checking the transaction manually to rule out any glitch or hack attempt, though.

Perhaps that is the biggest obstacle, since casinos and Exchanges give more emphasis to security. 

It's really a pain in the ass to the players whenever the transaction fee for deposit and withdrawal hits sky high. Sometimes the transaction fees are just unacceptable in a manner that there's a huge price gap between the usual one and the fee that the casino website is asking you for. Hence, it's really important to always check first before depositing and betting. It will be a loss on your end if you want to withdraw then suddenly you just find out that the fee for it is even close to your amount to be withdrawn, how unfortunate right? With this, you might want to check it beforehand to avoid the hassle and the disappointment later on.

I really do hope that casinos will be able to address this issue once and for all since it's been a recurring concern of most players. After all, it's for the benefit of both parties and not just on the side of the gambler. Better service, more people to become a patron.

Maybe not real time but they can change it by changing the codes in the withdrawal section. I also do not know how but I think like that. Yes, both casino sites and exchanges benefit more from increasing their fees. However, let's think that the profits from those fees will be used to improve their services to provide satisfactory service to their members.

I think all businesses will be like that except for casinos which have no intention of providing satisfactory service to their members because all they think about is getting benefits from their members. And if you don't want to pay those fees, you should check the fees first and if the fees are still high, you can hold off on making the transaction.

gambling sites that provide internal exchange on the site are very interesting and good because it makes it easy for customers to be able to change their coins at any time.
but the problem is the fee when wanting to exchange with the coin itself will be expensive or will only give the generosity of a small fee. if the fees for exchanging expensive coins are the same as withdrawing funds from sites with high fees.
and you are right that choosing a site that suits our own will be much better.

If they add this exchange feature on their platform then it will be the best feature they have knowing how big the convenience it could being to their gamblers. But no gambling sites offer this since.maybe they find this one hard to handle this feature. I think fees are not the big issue with this since provably casino doubt to implement maybe due to legal matters or they think exchange and gambling have big difference then not good to add on a casino platform.

I am not sure if there are many sites that has this feature but I do know one which is a very reputed gambling site.
BC.GAME has an internal swap called as BC Cwap which lets users swap their coins for other coins.

Are they allowed to do that? I thought their licensing firms don't allow them to have things like that. I remember maybe a month or so ago, a casino was facing issues because their license was expired and they were providing some kind of trading opportunity on their platform for their gamblers, and it was being discussed on the forum.

Casinos need to stay with what they are supposed to offer and don't go out of context because that can obviously be an issue for them in the long run, it is not really worth getting your business closed only to get a little more profit.

I think license issue is not that important for some of the biggest names, it's more about having separate entities and yet still having the same webpage. I am not going to tell which one it is, but one of the companies are very very against the law in one nation, and yet they can sponsor a team there.

Well, they have another company registered there with the same logo, so that means when they sponsor, it looks like the legit one with the same logo sponsors them, but the bad one is the one that gets the attention, we all know what they are doing there, it's just a trick but that trick is allowed so it's fine, nothing wrong with that at the moment. I believe that the same could be done for any company if the license ever caused any trouble.

Do gambling sites consider advice or suggestions? Perhaps they could explore alternative blockchains with lower transaction fees or utilize stable coins from different blockchains. Neglecting to embrace features that make it easier for customers to access their services or products seems unwise.

Yes they are. What's the problem in doing that anyway ?

We do need to get the required approvals but once done, I don't think there are any such major issues in having a swap feature on a casino site.
BC.GAME has been running it smoothly and it provides more flexibility in gambling.

The casino should be able to consider the advice and maybe implement it if it provides an opportunity for the casino to grow even better. But I think each casino will provide the best for its users, except for casinos that only want their users' money. Such a casino would not consider any suggestions from its members but should be prepared if its users decide to leave its casino one day. It will bankrupt the casino and close its casino because there is no support from its users. It may already be the case for the new casinos just launched.

Gambling sites may consider suggestions given by gamblers in the forums because they also have representatives here who can provide feedback or suggestions from gamblers to other teams that manage casinos.

What do you mean by exploring alternative blockchains with lower transaction fees or using stable coins from different blockchains?
Transaction fees depend on the withdrawal process and the token and network used by the gambler. If gamblers make withdrawals using Bitcoin values, it is clear that the fees are high.
It seems that you don't really understand what @Pierre 2 conveyed.

Online gambling sites do not run a business in this way, for operational costs they already have special funds to run gambling sites and the reason for increasing the burden of operational costs from customers is the wrong pattern. In my opinion, companies that undergo a business on gambling sites will not do such things if you already have a good reputation as one of the trusted gambling sites, maybe the obstacle is because the bitcoin transaction costs are much higher, but when returning to normal as usual will be adjusted, maybe?

Other options may be able to choose a network that can be adjusted to the lower costs, for example using altcoin so that costs can be a little cheaper that can be adjusted, in this way we must recognize whether gambling sites provide deposit or withdrawal options using more features, so that when faced with With problems like this the we has the necessary options.

The casinos that charge withdrawal fees is not a bad thing nor should it be interpreted as something bad because what is done here is to try to understand that the casinos cannot be covering those expenses that are our own, of course there are some casinos that do they assume that expense and although I do not agree that casinos charge more than they should even if bitcoin rises in price, I think that casinos should implement alternating solutions to avoid this, perhaps they will set up a Bitcoin to USDT exchange to that a withdrawal can be made in usdt and it is not a fee problem, it has happened to me that I have had to gamble too much to be able to withdraw considering the fee.

I guess you know that Stake.com charges a very moderate fee and some even charge nothing at all. Those who rip off their customers are not the most reliable casinos either. Why would they have to charge excessive withdrawal fees when those fees actually should be much lower according to the network? Some even kept their fees steady and low when we had the fee explosion recently. I think it is a big promotional action because I also prefer platforms which have a fee policy that fits the actual network load instead of taking a big fat chunk of your own money for nothing.

That would be nice. The best policy on this would be to give their customers the freedom to choose whatever fees they want and also give them the option to replace or bump it if it's lower than the network's standard rate. I just don't think that the casino or any hired third party wallet provider would be willing to put that extra work or effort.

@Taskford yes maybe you are right that there is a possibility that the gambling party does not add an internal exchange feature in the gambling which has several limitations such as if the gambling provides an exchange in it it will make the gambler not focus on gambling or maybe the gambling party is afraid if there will be other things that can burden damage to this gambling.

@pawanjain Stake.com used to have an exchange for exchanging coins which we thought was more comfortable to use for gambling but unfortunately I forgot the name of the exchange a little.

Maybe hard for them to have this feature since if they add exchange maybe they required to have another license aside from their casino. But we don't know the real situation on this since provably the one can answer is those people who work with casino or even the owner since people here maybe just saying something base only on their opinion.

But if they can make this to happen then maybe they can get extra source of income to their casino since this feature maybe can generate them a profit.

Or best pick online casinos and sports bookies that use a pool instead of a direct one transaction. It may be faster but the transaction fees are way far than how it is with a pool and as I used Stake.com, I know they are using that method which is why they only charge 7k satoshis for each transaction. The transaction will take like 10-20 minutes but that's fair enough considering how cheap it is.
I'd suggest to OP to just leave whatever platform he is using because, in the long run, it could hurt your wallet if you compute the total amount you spend by just the transaction fees. It sure is robbery and I am done with the gambling sites that have that kind of expensive fees.
I remember before, Yobit (an exchange with a dice game inside) has 50k satoshis charge for each withdrawal. I took off and just use another gambling site instead.

That is what I do as well but how do you know whether they charge you per pool or per single transaction? You could only try but in general I think I would prefer to avoid casinos that think they have to charge you a fee of almost 15 dollars when you withdraw even when the transaction fees went down again. This is what some of them do and I check it before and then decide which casino I use because the odds for sports betting are sometimes tempting on the expensive casinos, but not worth it because of the high fees.

It could be why not many casinos don't add the exchange feature. And that is also not a problem for gamblers because they can send money directly to other wallets or exchanges. But indeed, having an exchange in the casino will allow gamblers to exchange their coins for other coins, especially when transaction costs are soaring.

Hopefully, in the future, many casinos will think about adding exchanges in their casinos to help their members who want to convert their coins before sending them to other wallets. And yes, it is an additional source of income for the casino too, by owning that exchange.

It was Coinswitch, and from what I remember, their service was one of the best since the rates you get are coming from the big exchanges.

Instead of an exchange, they should introduce a feature that Duelbits currently have and give the gamblers the option to pick any crypto to withdraw from.

I think you've got it, buddy. It may seem that adding a currency trading element into the fabric of a gambling hub is like plucking a golden goose, but it's not as simple as getting another licence and opening the doors.

Managing liquidity, adhering with an ever-shifting framework of guidelines, and battling security concerns are just a few of the challenges that arise when dealing with digital coin trading. Furthermore, casinos are not accountants but rather masters of entertainment, inventing thrilling adventures of chance and reward. In a whole different arena, that's a totally different match.

Still, in terms of our bettors' convenience, you've hit the jackpot. Users interested in exchanging multiple cryptocurrencies may find the experience more streamlined and transaction fees reduced if an exchange is hosted locally.

A gambling establishment that is ready to take on the challenge of guiding an exchange and sees doing so as a strategy to expand its earning potential should definitely play its hand. But let's not get too excited just yet; this maze of an idea has many hidden depths.

I suppose casinos have looked into this but they simply abandoned the idea when they realized all the regulations they would have to follow and the regulations they will have to force their gamblers to follow too, now I would not deny that it would be nice if such a feature was added to casinos as then people will be able to exchange their coins when the fees were on the high side and save themselves a few dollars and several hours of waiting for their transaction to be confirmed, but being realistic I do not think this will happen.

Having an exchanger could really be a game changer for the better user-experience of the players. The convenience of having a readily available exchanger where you can directly convert your crypto coins in a snap before sending it to your wallet will be less hassle. This will consume lesser time and effort on gambler's end. However, having this could also mean that the casino might really need to get license and process some documents first. Which will be a tedious task on their end and surely this will also cost a considerable amount of money they should get from their reserves. Although I agree that this could pave way to additional source of income for them in the future if ever they will put up one, so the expenses will not be put into waste, rather will be an investment that will also generate profit over time.

But it's still up for the casinos to decide whether to build one or now. Perhaps some are even thinking of putting it and is just weighing the pros and cons first. Since after all, exchangers also need security and maintenance. They need to sustain those in order for it to work smoothly and continue living up the good reputation they have for providing good quality of service to their patrons.

Let's talk a little on the gambling platforms performances and their website appearance and functionality, the display orientation, kinds of fonts and letters used, their designs and the time taken on the website to load up their page, though most of these listed and not the primary needs any gambler can out first but they also served under the secondary categories of what some considers especially the time taken for a gambling casino to load it page, the other common things are inability to withdraw, KYC challenge, suspicious abuse or activities and many others.

The most trusted and reputable platforms will surely have lower fees as they can manage to earn revenue through their gambling services and don't need anything extra from their gamblers but some casinos that are relatively new and maybe don't have a very large user base will charge extra fees than what the network actually asks for and that goes to the casino revenue I believe.

Users obviously would prefer a platform that doesn't rip them off when they are trying to make a withdrawal, and even if the amount isn't very big, it at least is higher than what should be asked for, in such times, casinos that are asking for lower fees will surely get more popularity than normal times.

Because most of centralized sites have a slow update and if many gamblers willing to pay such high fee, why they need to adjust with the current mempool? they can earn more money from the additional Bitcoin which not used for pay to the miner.

You should let know the live support at that time and wait until they adjust it, if the site is trusted, I think it's still safe to leave your funds for next few months.

I think no matter how trustworthy is a site they still remain a third party which is holding your coins and the saying says "not your keys,not your coins" so as long as you leave them here it is always with risks.Whenever a user needs to withdraw funds he/she should be able to do it,a couple of reputable casinos offer a fixed fee for when withdrawing money no matter the amount,the same fee is applied be it 50 dollar be it 5000 dollars and this guarantees that the user will take his money as long as he pays that fixed fee no matter if the mempool if full or not.This is the best solution and I fully agree with this,if people don't agree then they can use Litecoin or any other coin which has much cheaper fees compared to Bitcoin.

This is quite an interesting idea because it can make it easier for gamblers when they want to withdraw their balance with the token they want.
I also hope that there will be an Exchanger so that when we want to make withdrawals or deposits it can be faster and easier because it can be directly from the casino so we can directly enter it into our bank account.
You are right, with the development of the exchange and moreover the Exchanger can provide additional income or profit for the casino from the fees provided by gamblers when exchanging or withdrawing.

But I supposed to think that the adjustment will just take a few days but when it takes weeks or months, that is not unfair anymore. If you are using that platform for quite a long, you feel like a robbery on your side knowing that you are paying $1 before and it has now become $5, it is really disappointing. Whether it was a trusted site or not, leaving fund to the gambling sites for that long is pretty not a good idea, I'd rather spend $5 and withdraw all of my funds.

This entirely depends on the casino you are playing on, for me, for several months now, I've sticked with Stake.com, the bitcoin withdrawal fees has always been 7000 sats, and it has remained so even until now, and even when the bitcoin network experienced congestion which caused the fees to skyrocket, Stake.com still maintain their normal withdrawal fee of 7000 sats..

And again, Stake, a user can view what the withdrawal fee of any coin is, even without have a balance of the said coin, for example in the shot below, I have no bitcoin balance, but I can still see how much Bitcoin is taken as fee when I withdraw.

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Have you ever gone to a restaurant or cafe but the price of their food is different from other restaurants or cafes, that also applies to gambling sites, as far as I know, they charge that much for their services, even though it looks like a robbery but we as users can only surrender to it

but I suggest choosing the cheapest coin when you want to make withdrawals like trx , doge or ltc because other coins usually have a fee of $ 1 ++ for every withdrawal you make from a gambling site

Really nice that site like stake is covering the high transaction fees during the congested periods.
The good thing about this is that they won't go bankrupt by covering the withdrawal fees of their players because the site is big and really earning good income.
However, if this will be done in small casinos, I guess, they will just stick to how much they are charging their players, even if the transaction won't be confirmed for days.
If you are too worried about those withdrawal fees, then, always check how much the site will charge you just like exchanges so you won't be surprised when you need to withdraw from them.
Because once you deposited the money to them, it means, you will comply all the terms including the charges that may incur with your transactions.

it all depends on the casino if the casino is popular and already big it usually doesn't take long to update but if the casino isn't too big I think it takes a few days to process.
on the one hand always be warned that do not deposit funds on any online platform or site, it will be very risky.

Indeed but that is also a red flag especially for high stakes gamblers. If you say that this could be a sign of a casino having a small user base and perhaps not that much liquidity and they need to charge extra for players' withdrawals as part of their revenue streams, I would be alarmed in any case because this would rather be indicative of the casino not being able to honor all their obligations from gambling itself. I prefer to stick with the casinos that increase the experience through making it easy to withdraw and deposit and not hide any fees or charge extra for something that hasn't anything to do with the gambling experience after all.

However, the issue lies in why the fees for withdrawing altcoins have also increased. Just recently, the fee increases were supposed to be limited to Bitcoin transactions.

I believe this may be a tactic employed by gambling platform providers to extract small amounts of money from their users under the guise of high transaction fees. Or perhaps it's a psychological game where the players who are withdrawing funds are the ones who have just won. As a result, they may not mind the small fees imposed by the platform on users who make withdrawals.

they're trying to make their own charge at a criminal level, I don't even bother to call them out, if your transaction charge is high, it means only one thing to me, I am not needed in your platform. So I do myself the favour by walking away, trading goes on, life continues. No hard feelings

They also don't have to own the exchange, they can partner with instant exchange or swapping platforms so users can swap their coin on the casino without leaving and it can then be withdrawn with the coins with the lowest fees, I don't like paying high fee myself.

Some cryptocurency wallets has implemented this suggestion and it made using the wallets very comfortable as you don't have to worry about withdrawing to an exchange that might take time for the coins to confirm and the price might have dropped.

Also I use a casino in the past to gamble and when I wanted to withdraw, the money was in USDT and you can withdraw directly to your account even when what you deposited was Bitcoin. They automatically converts your wins to stablecoin, that was also helpful.

But don't be surprised that reverse is now the case of most gambling platforms where this is applicable, the bigger and most established gambling platforms charges more because they feels they have that reputation needed for them to be trusted and also that they need more finances to maintain this reputation they have built, yet we also have some newly established gambling platforms that keeps upto expectation and charges less.

No lies, an internal exchange seems like a sweet deal for a crypto-casino. Imagine it like a food court with every possible cuisine right there. The user-friendliness levels for gamblers would blast off, and the casino could count on some extra green. But, let's not bypass the 800-pound gorillas.

Firstly, the tech workload for setting up and running an exchange is not a breeze. It calls for cutting-edge security to dodge any breaches, and a considerable chunk of resources to keep the system fresh and in the game. Secondly, the red tape would feel like a blind journey through a booby-trapped terrain. Staying on top of AML/KYC protocols, tackling licensing, grappling with jurisdiction – the casino would need a squad of legal wizards to crack the code. The cash outlay is significant, plus the extra gamble of operating an exchange in the turbulent world of crypto. One false move could be game over. So, while it's a fun thought, let's not undervalue the multitude of challenges on the horizon.

Can you give examples? I know that Stake.com charges a very small fee only and for example Sportsbet charges nothing for withdrawals. I would deem these two platforms quite big and that would be contrary to what you have said. It differs among those platforms but i can definitely say that I avoid those that charge way too much in excess of actual network fees. I am not a high stakes player and fees do matter in that case.

You will never see a casino which provides withdrawal fee same as the required transaction fee and it also applies to Centralized exchanges and any platform which gives cryptocurrency related services. Because this is how they make money for the service they are providing so if you see a little higher fee than actual transaction fee then it's okay and no need to question about their reputation but if they are asking 5x times than actual fees then it's better to choose alternatives.

Alot hot wallets have been made to reduce Thier fees - I normally use Trust wallet in my transactions most times and I was heavily charged on one occasion, when I had to trade my BTCs for fiat... 4.98 dollars was much for me at the time, but I had no choice.
If that's happening in wallets for staked coins, how much more casino wallets... No one would always prefer depositing with a huge gas fee buddy, ..(except maybe when it was made general for everyone). Casinos have also added an additional income revenue to theirselves - mostly when they've been rooted in for a long time. I Still feel every casino would always operate in a way that suits them - that's one of the reasons most won't accept every means of payment - which is mostly because they aren't in countries that supports the most preferred medium of payment or withdrawal.

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I dont have experience in withdrawal fee on sports in Stake, but have you tried on withdrawing out your balance specially on Bitcoin on whats the fee that they've been asking? It turns out that they do have

that standard 0.0001-2 based up with my experience.This is why long time ago i did make changed out some casinos because im not really that much confident when it comes to deduction.
Dont know if they did make out some adjustments about that as this one would really be that big. I dont really like the idea on having that static fee. Having that dynamic or would be basing up
on the network condition would be always preferable but of  course not all would really be minding about such stuff.

Adding up some amounts is something that would really be decisioned whether it would really be applied or not basing up on the request or appeal of its users.

Of course I have tried withdrawing. I am using Stake quite often and currently they have a flat fee of 0.00007 BTC, which I think is ok and they also have it in very busy times. But it is an amount that players with relatively low stakes can still take and it is also reasonable because of the network load that is going on these days.

But there are a few casinos that charge nothing for withdrawals, which is actually a big plus for them in my opinion. But what surprised me is that they don't advertise it that way. When I made my first withdrawal I couldn't find the fee because there wasn't any and then I thought that deduct something automatically or I will receive less, but no, the withdrawal fee is paid by the platform then. That was nice.

Gambling functionality and appearance are primarily determined by the team behind the project, as there are many of these sites in the sector, and their distinctions vary according on the techniques and data involved. There is a preference table triggered by the team, and one may compare a casino site that has been in operation for years to a recently developed one, and there is a significant difference. Customers would constantly dash to those that provide them favorable terms. Gambling platforms are always being improved in order to better serve their diverse clients. Clients post complaints on a daily basis, therefore there is always space for improvement.

Because players don't withdraw that much at a casino that casino doesn't focus on advertising their free withdrawal feature. They are focusing on what the players really like the most, the bonus system. Cashback and Rakeback is often the most attractive part of the casino which is why this bonus percentage is always in the front and not the withdrawal fee because the fee is just very minimal compared to the bonuses.

What I don't understand is why other casino still charged huge fees while other casino can afford to set it on free.

Really? That was cool, but can you name some of those casinos? A lot of us are not aware with that, which is why we are still paying for a withdrawal fee whenever we withdraw money on the existing casinos that we play. Maybe there is a catch for that like the casino place some advertisements on the side, top or bottom of their site which allows them to earn extra revenue.

I won't mind it as long as it's not annoying. We should not underestimate the withdrawal fees. Sure some cheap cryptos only requires tiny fees but we are talking about casinos here and they always have lots of customers so if those cheap fees were combined, it will still equate to a large amount.

This is a very weird yet interesting explanation as to why casinos should not advertise their zero fee withdrawal policy, but ok... :D


I think I have mentioned it somewhere before here but Sportsbet.io is one of those casinos that does not charge any withdrawal fee, but they have some least amounts in crypto that you can withdraw. I think for BTC it is 0.002. So if you are playing with lower stakes, you still have to consider that any withdrawal needs to equal or exceed that threshold at least, but then it is free.

I don't believe what I just read, in times like these where casinos are cutting costs only to survive the hard times, how can a platform pay the withdrawal fees for their gamblers because that will be a lot of money to pay from their own money unless they have a very limited amount of gamblers, and if they really do that, why don't they promote their platform using that?

I'm pretty sure that anyone reading an endorsement like a platform giving free withdrawals will surely sign up and try them at least once and if they manage their platform in a good and reputable manner, they might get a lot of loyal customers.

Perhaps, casinos still need time to lower transaction costs because they do it manually. And I think that's natural because at least the casino will reduce the transaction fees later. For other casinos, they may apply transaction fees automatically and follow the development of transaction fees on the network so that when the transaction costs decrease, the costs at the casino also immediately decrease.

And it's better that casinos advertise other things that can attract the attention of more gamblers. It can make the casino have more people who will sign up. And if the fees on the network increase again later, it's best for members to check with the support service first so they won't be surprised to see the fees have gone up or down.

Of course, it is a fact, here things can be seen in different ways, what each person thinks about a casino is respectable, for that reason if users let the casino know that they need to check Certain things, the casino should do it, If you want to Preserve these people, there is no other Way, it is like when the community asks you for Something so that they can improve, obviously if they do not do it , the success of the casino came to that point , just as they put they can take Away , this is the power of the Players when it Becomes a large Community.

The workers running casinos should prioritize the demands of clients in the industry. Although it is not a simple commitment, things do improve over time. Casinos are obligated to respond to customer complaints, because if a client registers a complaint and the casino fails to remedy the problem to the client's satisfaction, the client is regarded abandoned and dormant, and he or she will depart for a better one. Every individual desires what is best for them when it comes to playing casinos; the best quality is no stress or complaint and consistent speedy payment alternatives.

It is very important that the casino owners listen to the Suggestions they make,  for me it is very important because the suggestions can be the voice of a Conglomerate that does not have the means to do it, and this in turn becomes a Community and that Community It makes it Possible for them to become one of the best casinos that they can recommend , or even worse if they don't Please that community, they can All leave , Because bad references about a casino Practically Mean that a casino goes to the Abyss and that it is very to Leave where they were , that is Something that must be Seen.

Not only for a casino but it is obligatory for every business to keep their customers satisfied because a business runs only if it has customers, so customer is always first. Businesses tend to give more priority to a customer than their own staff because they understand the importance of having them and how difficult it is to maintain quality customer service and satisfaction.

When it comes to gambling, customers are already very sensitive and emotional with everything because it mostly involves a lot of money and customers would never want to have issues when there is money involved, so a casino that cannot provide good customer service and can't satisfy their customers with their services is more likely to lose their ratings and their business will start going towards a downfall.

I think that the most common thing that bothers every player is when they mess with their money, and if they win, for example, about 100usd, they want to get the 100usd free, without any kind of fee, there are some casinos like bitcasino.io where you can do that, but unfortunately not all casinos are like this and do not assume this cost, so sometimes the person to be able to withdraw their liquid money has to gamble more to make it from the fee, and I know some for wanting to Doing that loses everything, and that is a very bad experience and it is never recommended to do it, unless you want to win very little.

Because some casinos earn as well by doing that fee, maybe a little bit but it has. We cannot avoid such thing because it is really necessary maybe sometimes just like what you have said some casinos offer free withdraw if you reach the min amount but not at all, maybe OP needs to try other coin option that has a lesser fees so that he can enjoy his winning.

Not all casinos offer fee-free withdrawal options, especially small online crypto casinos avoid this option and deduct the withdrawal fee from the player's balance. Using alternative coins such as TRX or XRP can be a suitable option for such players because of the cheap transaction commission and faster processing speed. BTW, some big casinos offer a free withdrawal option after the player reaches the specific VIP level. Bc.game is included in last category since they offer free withdrawal after VIP level 38 while Stake and DuelBits always have fee-based withdrawals for users.

Exactly, things are like that, as far as I know that at stake.com things always go well with regard to fees when bitcoin rises in price, but I have seen exaggerations, or I don't know if they are exaggerations or abuses by the casinos that do that, for my part I have always liked the casinos that I frequent and they are not abusive, some even have free withdrawal fees, because the casino assumes that expense, it is a gesture that I find sensational .

However, it would be good if casinos had a method so that they do not charge bitcoin fees, an internal exchange, something like that so that they have more acceptance and therefore more customers.

For a casino like stake.com, where everything seems very easy to do, it will not be difficult at all to be able to obtain something additional such as preference, and it is very obvious that if bitcoin goes up at any price, they will always have a very low price of their fee for everyone to play and continue to be classified as the best, however, this is something that many imagine, and I know that it is very difficult to compete against new caisnos, it is something that will always be noticed, so the level of demand of a casino that is starting will always be superior to try to match the old ones, it is difficult for new casinos to do something similar to the big ones.

It's rare to see now a casino that offers free withdrawal and that is because there's an inconsistency with the fees. Although I've seen some and it's like a promo for their new users so for every 1st withdrawal, they're giving it for free.

Some casinos that have an in-app exchange are convenient for their gamblers to avoid such high fees. And that's why everyone has their preference on which they like, some are for that feature, others are for the games and its convenient approach to their customers.

for me actually the problem of expensive transaction fees is not too complicated because we as gamblers have many other coin choices that have cheaper costs as you said such as using TRX.

btw I want to ask because I'm no longer active on the site you mentioned, does the VIP rating on the site you mentioned still have a free withdrawal feature until now? because what I know maybe the site used to have this feature but I haven't been active there for a long time.

It's rare to find a casino that has a free withdrawal because of course, they have to profit too. They need to put a price on their features to earn without harming the pockets of the players and to continue operating. Aside from their profit in the games on their website, additional income will come from the withdrawal of the players. I think there won't be a problem with it since these gamblers can afford to gamble in the first place, therefore they can afford to pay the withdrawal fees which are lesser compared to what they typically spend.

Regarding in-house exchangers, this is really convenient for the players, but will be an additional thing to maintain for the casinos. Although hopefully, more casinos will have this in the future for less trouble and easy access.

I think the biggest reason I feel awkward using online casinos is the difference in regulation from one place to the next. It’s hard to stay on top of when you are in new places. In the US it varies from state to state even. Some states I can bet on games, some I can bet on players, some I can use slots, some I can’t gamble at all. I think if there’s one place that a global standard of regulation would be helpful, it’s the gambling space.

Experienced gamblers know how to take advantage of transaction fees such as picking and sorting cryptos that don't drain the balance. In my opinion, this is quite commonplace where almost all casinos don't want their gamblers to go to another casino for reasons of high costs. Therefore they prepare many types of crypto that can be deposited.

Nowadays there is really no reason to refer to one deposit, and more importantly the gambler has properly understood the rules that have been set in each casino, be it KYC or NON KYC comes first. Before betting, understanding the rules is the main benchmark.

That distinguishes between a trusted casino and a scam casino because a trusted casino will resolve every complaint properly, and perhaps a trusted casino will also apologise if the casino makes a mistake. But a scam casino will do nothing and sit idly by as if the complaint didn't exist. So we already know which casinos are trusted and which are scam casinos, so we have to be careful in choosing a casino and always stay away from suspicious casinos. Try to read the reviews from the members here so that we know more and can choose the casino correctly.

Suppose the casino responds to all the complaints from members and tries to solve them. In that case, the casino will get good reviews to increase its rating and become one of the most trusted, popular and has many member casinos. Always providing the best service for all of its members will allow the casino to grow even bigger, and it is only a matter of time.

I never knew that is the case, or maybe it's not the case with every country and the United States has different regulations for every single state, I used to think that anyone from any corner of the world could access all the features of a cryptocurrency gambling platform as long as their license allows players from that particular country, so for example if I'm from Japan and there is someone from China and the license of the casino we both use to allow players from both countries, we would be able to access the whole platform without any restrictions.

I never knew that they have different regulatory rules for every country or state, or if that is not the case, it should be for the US as well, people from there should also be allowed to access all the areas of a casino, but maybe their government doesn't want that.

Many cryptocasinos and gambling platforms try to exploit the opportunity. They want to use legal methods to collect extra money from users illegally. But in this competitive gambling world everything can be cleared in a short period of time which is not unknown to anyone. Due to congestion in the mempool, Bitcoin's transaction fees increased many times, many took advantage of the time to collect extra money as transaction fees in dishonest ways. All platforms are now back to normal position as the network is now consistent. But collecting this amount of money from gamblers is definitely robbery.

Well, those are some options that can be taken, I understand the question here, it is clear that XRP is a great solution, but since all players like bitcoin, one thing that I have not seen much in casinos is that when they want to withdraw there are no internal Exchanges, and that for me is a great loss, because it is a service that can be given to players, if you win in Bitcoin and the fee is too expensive to do it, a good exchange is the best for that, I think that a casino would not lose much there in that, a Quick Exchange can be made to usdt or to the crypto that the Player wishes.

I don't know why at these times when I think it's good to do it, don't they? knowing that when bitcoin rises to very good levels, things will get very crazy and everyone wants to withdraw money, deposit, but nobody likes to pay very high fees, then something that a casino can stand out for is that so that it can to make a difference with respect to the others , Obviously there are Casinos that Assume the fee , well, they already have a great advantage.

Internal interactions in online casinos - ingenious! Casinos can stand out using XRP, a cheaper and faster alternative to Bitcoin. During crypto-market volatility, when Bitcoin withdrawal fees can spike, such a tool would be advantageous. Technical and regulatory challenges exist. An internal exchange requires more than a switch. Backend development and legal issues are involved. Casinos may need additional licences and financial rules, which can be complicated and expensive. Assuming the transaction charge is also risky. The casino may lose money if players don't pay exorbitant fees. Thus, these steps should be assessed within the casino's financial and operational feasibility.

If over time things improve a lot when people are served with enough kindness, I think that many casinos have sometimes not understood that customer service and treating customers very well is the best of all strategies, because a player who makes him feel important in a casino he will never leave, no matter how nice casinos there are, loyalty will not leave them, and it is simple, because here when people feel loved they stay, and that is what very few casinos do. They have understood , it does not matter if the player loses, because the casino will always be there to cheer him up and let him know that he is an important player.

The cases are not for that is that they have their parts that are VIP, the memberships Where they have more benefits and Wow that if they have many things that they Always offer them, it is a way to return all that amount of plays and money that they have Invested , no It seems Wrong to me , but Nevertheless , good Attention is not only for the VIPs , it must be for Everyone , because that is what Makes the Difference.