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Title: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on March 28, 2014, 08:53:41 PM
I have started an organization within the bitcoin community with the sole profession to be protect and serve. In light of the recent issues about regulation and ofcourse mt gox it becomes clear that some sort of self regulation within our community is required. although we cannot do much legal work we can hold exchanges to certain standards. this is what I am trying to do. there are other things but please read on. I expect most people wil approach this carefully especially since the site is well... low-tech... but I will fix that as soon as I can. in essence the tech doesn't make a good plan. A good plan makes the tech. I am highly open to suggestions and ideas from my fellow bitcoiners.

WWW.BTCPD.COM

Thank you for your time
Christian.

UPDATE: The website has received major updates. Thank you for all of your support.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: overcoin on March 29, 2014, 08:29:32 AM
In light of the recent issues about regulation and ofcourse mt gox it becomes clear that some sort of self regulation within our community is required. although we cannot do much legal work we can hold exchanges to certain standards.
IMO Bitcoin doesn't need the kind of regulation you're aiming at. Math must be the only regulation. The laws of mathematics must be the only law applied! Simply, apply multisignature solutions to all your bitcoin transactions!


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: blackvoice on March 29, 2014, 11:15:53 AM
I don't think we need any police to regulate our virtual currency community

What we need is free


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on March 29, 2014, 05:05:34 PM
Respectfully, I disagree. What I am trying to create will in the end be a nonprofit organization that is community driven and will run on what the community wants. What I outlined in my website was a short introduction and will be updated more and more as time goes on. Nothing there is not set in stone.

What I am trying to create in a sense is a better business bureau for the bitcoin community. The bitcoin community needs self policing. lets look at mt gox, vircurex, flexcoin and some other exchanges. I'm not saying comply or be shut down I'm saying the community wants to know there money is safe. Ultimately the community will be the ones that are saying we don't want to work with this company because they are not safe, and that's how it should be. none of this will work without the community saying what they want. Trust the numbers yes, but strengthen it through the people.

P.S. please keep up to date on the BTCPD site this weekend as major upgrades will be coming through. Thank you.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: joesmoe2012 on March 29, 2014, 09:39:40 PM
hahhahahha bitcoin police!

Run for the hills, the bitcoin police are here!

Here's your first mission (if you chose to accept it) go track down the 850K btc that the fat frenchmen lost and do some justice. Then we will all hail you as the official bitcoin police and forever respect you.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: beaknuke on March 29, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
Only been here a short time.... Google & bit coin forum seems to the police imo


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: backtrackit on March 29, 2014, 09:43:23 PM
neee naaw neee naaw what ya gonna do when they come for you. haha


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on March 29, 2014, 10:28:45 PM
haha, well the trolling is expected. but I sense its all in good fun. Truth is bitcoin police name was catchy imo. I remember reading the news and saw a headline that said there is no bitcoin police during the dorian incident and i thought it was interesting. come to find out in the past there was a group called the bitcoin police that had some ideas at one point. but dont get me wrong, contrary to the name the goal isnt to "police bitcoin" but to be an organization for the community to help self police. by no means do I intend to step out of my bounds by setting standards the community does not desire.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 29, 2014, 11:05:16 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Kentucky-police-chief-to-be-paid-in-Bitcoin-Comedy-Central.jpg

Kentucky town from ‘Colbert Report’ to pay police chief in Bitcoin
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/03/kentucky-town-from-colbert-report-to-pay-police-chief-in-bitcoin/


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on March 30, 2014, 05:25:03 AM
The website has received major updates. More to follow. Thank you all for your support.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: jollyriffic on March 30, 2014, 05:08:02 PM
kind of reminds me of community crime watch. were nothing really important gets taken care of.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on March 30, 2014, 06:06:02 PM
kind of reminds me of community crime watch. were nothing really important gets taken care of.

I wouldn't say where nothing important gets taken care of. We're doing our best, but this is largely based on support from the community.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 05, 2014, 05:10:42 PM
new updates made, final product still in works


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 05, 2014, 09:44:47 PM
The Bitcoin Cop => ...


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 06, 2014, 12:14:14 AM
The Bitcoin Cop => ...

Careful if you are at work:
NSFW


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: BitCoinDream on April 06, 2014, 06:00:03 PM
The Bitcoin Cop => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433845.0



although I do not mind the trolling I respectfully request you remove this post to keep this thread clean and safe for work.

Done... Sorry, I thought people would love to have some fun. U may remove the link from your quote too...


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 06, 2014, 06:09:40 PM
The Bitcoin Cop => ...

thank you very much, and we do like to have fun. just keep it clean please :)


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: Onar on April 06, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Calling it bitcoin "police" may be the wrong wording on it. Excpecially in this forum, because when someone hear the word police and regulation all spikes are went out.

This "police" could have the aim to track down schemes, put into a system to see if thing is organized, find security holes so the community can work to close them and more.

Regards to the 850k bitcoins missing, if he not can hire someone to find them or others "bitcoiners" not find them noone will I would think? Maybe someone also has, and blackmailed the thief for %. Who knows. This is actually the weakness with this currency, and not only strength to have anonymous transations



hahhahahha bitcoin police!

Run for the hills, the bitcoin police are here!

Here's your first mission (if you chose to accept it) go track down the 850K btc that the fat frenchmen lost and do some justice. Then we will all hail you as the official bitcoin police and forever respect you.



Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 06, 2014, 10:23:14 PM
Calling it bitcoin "police" may be the wrong wording on it. Excpecially in this forum, because when someone hear the word police and regulation all spikes are went out.

This "police" could have the aim to track down schemes, put into a system to see if thing is organized, find security holes so the community can work to close them and more.

Regards to the 850k bitcoins missing, if he not can hire someone to find them or others "bitcoiners" not find them noone will I would think? Maybe someone also has, and blackmailed the thief for %. Who knows. This is actually the weakness with this currency, and not only strength to have anonymous transations



hahhahahha bitcoin police!

Run for the hills, the bitcoin police are here!

Here's your first mission (if you chose to accept it) go track down the 850K btc that the fat frenchmen lost and do some justice. Then we will all hail you as the official bitcoin police and forever respect you.


The term bitcoin police come from the idea of a community the self polices. This idea is nearly impossible because the community cant all go down to a single place and look at things. BUT should it have a representative to do these thing it would become much easier.

I understand the speculation that comes from here as to weather or not btcpd is legit or a scam. But I come to the community humbly, although we accept donations, we do not openly ask for them. we do not require money for anything we do. our blacklist program is designed to thwart malicious devices of man (although normally at the expense of somebody because we cant catch them all before they strike.)

Soon btcpd will be opening the beta to our whitelisting program. We at btcpd will become the first organization in bitcoin to offer verification for trustworthy websites. how well those sites operate will be reflected on the whitelist widget by how the community reacts to these sites. regardless of how we work, we are nonbiased and do not need your money to operate.

I reach out to the community. spread the word, give us your support.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: Cryptogirl82 on April 08, 2014, 01:53:23 PM
I have started an organization within the bitcoin community with the sole profession to be protect and serve. In light of the recent issues about regulation and ofcourse mt gox it becomes clear that some sort of self regulation within our community is required. although we cannot do much legal work we can hold exchanges to certain standards. this is what I am trying to do. there are other things but please read on. I expect most people wil approach this carefully especially since the site is well... low-tech... but I will fix that as soon as I can. in essence the tech doesn't make a good plan. A good plan makes the tech. I am highly open to suggestions and ideas from my fellow bitcoiners.

WWW.BTCPD.COM

Thank you for your time
Christian.

UPDATE: The website has received major updates. Thank you for all of your support.

Get our goxxed BTC back, then we can talk!

http://s7.directupload.net/images/140408/p3irj3gx.gif (http://www.directupload.net)


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: Ged on April 08, 2014, 02:18:58 PM
POLICE is city on Latin.
POLICEMAN is CITIZEN.
So, what's wrong ?
P2P POLICE :D WIth 3d-printed guns at their pockets and adruino-based flying robots to detect enemy !
 8)


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 08, 2014, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: Cryptogirl82 link=topic=545640.msopens2#msg6125652 date=1396965203
I have started an organization within the bitcoin community with the sole profession to be protect and serve. In light of the recent issues about regulation and ofcourse mt gox it becomes clear that some sort of self regulation within our community is required. although we cannot do much legal work we can hold exchanges to certain standards. this is what I am trying to do. there are other things but please read on. I expect most people wil approach this carefully especially since the site is well... low-tech... but I will fix that as soon as I can. in essence the tech doesn't make a good plan. A good plan makes the tech. I am highly open to suggestions and ideas from my fellow bitcoiners.

WWW.BTCPD.COM

Thank you for your time
Christian.

UPDATE: The website has received major updates. Thank you for all of your support.

Get our goxxed BTC back, then we can talk!

http://s7.directupload.net/images/140408/p3irj3gx.gif (http://www.directupload.net)

We all know that money is gone unless somebody opens up. Don't set unrealistic expectations for us. But I might add if out program was in place and taken more seriously we may have stopped that before it happened.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: franky1 on April 15, 2014, 10:38:15 PM
apart from appearing like a 16yo trying to make a name for yourself.

what actual authoritative status do you hold in the real world, are you:
1) a real world police officer that can search records or has the power to arrest
2) a lawyer in the area if financial crimes
3) a judge
4) a basement dweller with only an idea and no powers to bring people to justice.

bitcoin is not a game, where you can pretend to be something. if you do not have powers of arrest or skills in the courtroom. then please stop what you are doing, as your actions are of deceit and it makes you no better then the liars in the community that promise things they cannot deliver, all for a quick buck.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 15, 2014, 10:41:04 PM
apart from appearing like a 16yo trying to make a name for yourself.

what actual authoritative status do you hold in the real world, are you:
1) a real world police officer that can search records or has the power to arrest
2) a lawyer in the area if financial crimes
3) a judge
4) a basement dweller with only an idea and no powers to bring people to justice.

bitcoin is not a game, where you can pretend to be something. if you do not have powers of arrest or skills in the courtroom. then please stop what you are doing, as your actions are of deceit and it makes you no better then the liars in the community that promise things they cannot deliver, all for a quick buck.

I have not stated to be any of these things. please become more informed about what I am trying to do. any fyi. the power of a backing community is far greater then the governing power of any authority. your accusations are limited and without basis. have a nice day.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: xv11 on April 15, 2014, 11:00:34 PM
this is retarded as hell


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: cobra89y on April 15, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
apart from appearing like a 16yo trying to make a name for yourself.

what actual authoritative status do you hold in the real world, are you:
1) a real world police officer that can search records or has the power to arrest
2) a lawyer in the area if financial crimes
3) a judge
4) a basement dweller with only an idea and no powers to bring people to justice.

bitcoin is not a game, where you can pretend to be something. if you do not have powers of arrest or skills in the courtroom. then please stop what you are doing, as your actions are of deceit and it makes you no better then the liars in the community that promise things they cannot deliver, all for a quick buck.

I have not stated to be any of these things. please become more informed about what I am trying to do. any fyi. the power of a backing community is far greater then the governing power of any authority. your accusations are limited and without basis. have a nice day.


maybe you sould inform us on what your actually trying to do on this thread.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 15, 2014, 11:17:20 PM
apart from appearing like a 16yo trying to make a name for yourself.

what actual authoritative status do you hold in the real world, are you:
1) a real world police officer that can search records or has the power to arrest
2) a lawyer in the area if financial crimes
3) a judge
4) a basement dweller with only an idea and no powers to bring people to justice.

bitcoin is not a game, where you can pretend to be something. if you do not have powers of arrest or skills in the courtroom. then please stop what you are doing, as your actions are of deceit and it makes you no better then the liars in the community that promise things they cannot deliver, all for a quick buck.

I have not stated to be any of these things. please become more informed about what I am trying to do. any fyi. the power of a backing community is far greater then the governing power of any authority. your accusations are limited and without basis. have a nice day.


maybe you sould inform us on what your actually trying to do on this thread.

absolutely!

After observing the concerns and weaknesses that currently exist in the Bitcoin community, and having a strong desire to see Bitcoin succeed, I decided there was something I could do to contribute. From my experience, I feel I can bring a new level of professionalism to Bitcoin by establishing solid and positive accountability with the businesses working in our Bitcoin community.  In doing so, we'll help to create a wider confidence in the players who deserve it, and help weed out those who would let us down.  This in turn will contribute to the stability and acceptability of the community, and even the BTC market.
 
Bitcoin is new but taking off fast.  New and significant changes are coming rapidly from within our own government and governments around the world, as well as from the large financial sectors.  Many have speculated from more than one negative event after another that Bitcoin is a passing fad.  But we all know they can't stop this train.  The question is, will the Bitcoin community as a whole make it easier to be accepted and gain the cooperation, respect and encouragement the honest workers deserve?  And the answer is that this can only happen if we start getting serious about policing ourselves.  This, is what the world waits to see proven.
 
BTCPD is here to bring forward just one of the many pieces of the puzzle.  Think of BTCPD as the BBB of Bitcoin.

And please, before judging based of the website, consider that this post was placed in the project development section and it is in fact a project in development. Our dev is working diligently on a better, more up to date design that will suit the needs of us and the community.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 16, 2014, 12:04:24 AM
Think of BTCPD as the BBB of Bitcoin....

Sounds like businesses pay for membership, is that correct?
Do you also rate companies that are not members (like the BBB) based on consumer feedback?


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 16, 2014, 12:16:55 AM
Think of BTCPD as the BBB of Bitcoin....

Sounds like businesses pay for membership, is that correct?
Do you also rate companies that are not members (like the BBB) based on consumer feedback?

Negative, one of the major things that is going to be implemented with the final site revision is called whitelists.  It will be a widget that each company signs up for, they can sign up and start at bronze(which requires a basic investigation to prove said company is not fraudulent) and work their way up, they can however pay for higher levels, each level has a harder investigation, a large majority of the money received from the investigations goes towards paying for the investigation.

We will have a forum setup that is attached to the widget they will receive,(you can see en example of the widget on our site) on that forum members(that's you the community) may review the site and deduct or add points that will be reflected on the widget. should the company gain enough or lose enough points the symbol will be upgraded or downgraded on the widget attached to their site.

all the reviews will be done by the members, companies will have the opportunity to respond and correct the situation with no charge(the one time investigation fee is the only thing anybody pays us). The only review posted by us will be the investigation they paid for(posted publicly).

The investigation will remain non-biased as agreed in the nonnegotiable contract between us and the company. paying for a platinum level investigation does not guarantee a platinum level widget.

If there is anything I failed to provide please let me know and ill be happy to.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: cobra89y on April 16, 2014, 06:02:53 AM
Think of BTCPD as the BBB of Bitcoin....

Sounds like businesses pay for membership, is that correct?
Do you also rate companies that are not members (like the BBB) based on consumer feedback?

Negative, one of the major things that is going to be implemented with the final site revision is called whitelists.  It will be a widget that each company signs up for, they can sign up and start at bronze(which requires a basic investigation to prove said company is not fraudulent) and work their way up, they can however pay for higher levels, each level has a harder investigation, a large majority of the money received from the investigations goes towards paying for the investigation.

We will have a forum setup that is attached to the widget they will receive,(you can see en example of the widget on our site) on that forum members(that's you the community) may review the site and deduct or add points that will be reflected on the widget. should the company gain enough or lose enough points the symbol will be upgraded or downgraded on the widget attached to their site.

all the reviews will be done by the members, companies will have the opportunity to respond and correct the situation with no charge(the one time investigation fee is the only thing anybody pays us). The only review posted by us will be the investigation they paid for(posted publicly).

The investigation will remain non-biased as agreed in the nonnegotiable contract between us and the company. paying for a platinum level investigation does not guarantee a platinum level widget.

If there is anything I failed to provide please let me know and ill be happy to.

So what do you do during these investigations? Who do you hire to conduct them?  Why wouldn't the company just pay trusted members of this site for the same thing.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: hurricandave on April 16, 2014, 06:15:22 AM
MT. Gox was considered to be legit till it shuttered up overnight, such is the way with many, ENRON !!!!!


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: counter on April 16, 2014, 06:19:37 AM
Yeah I'm pretty much against this but I appreciate your tenacity.  Maybe produce some serious results and we go from there?


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: fruitwallet on April 16, 2014, 10:18:23 AM
I like the idea of whitelists and blacklists, where people can check any company.
I think the result would look similar to crunchbase.
The mechanisms are still a bit unclear, my vision that lists should be based on user feedback but moderated and checked by admin or smth like that.

Keep doing this, that may be useful as many startups and companies appear. Some of them may be with his hand in the till.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: hurricandave on April 16, 2014, 10:28:33 AM
   A list of Manufacturers true links and known spoofs like the ones impersonating Bitmain would be helpful.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: eternalgloom on April 16, 2014, 11:32:42 AM
You might want to hire a decent web designer, then again, many websites of small police stations have similar websites..


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: gagalady on April 16, 2014, 11:39:15 AM
we want freedom from bitcoin like other man said only maths regulation is needed.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 16, 2014, 08:54:34 PM
You might want to hire a decent web designer, then again, many websites of small police stations have similar websites..

We do have a web designer and have contributed quite a bit of funding into its development. as stated previously, the final revision will be deployed when its finished.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 16, 2014, 08:56:05 PM
I like the idea of whitelists and blacklists, where people can check any company.
I think the result would look similar to crunchbase.
The mechanisms are still a bit unclear, my vision that lists should be based on user feedback but moderated and checked by admin or smth like that.

Keep doing this, that may be useful as many startups and companies appear. Some of them may be with his hand in the till.

thank you very much, how everything will work will become much more clear when the official site deploys. after it deploys we will still have some time for feedback to make changes/additions.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 16, 2014, 08:57:12 PM
   A list of Manufacturers true links and known spoofs like the ones impersonating Bitmain would be helpful.

could you be more clear about what you mean? this may be something we are already working on doing. if not, it may be of interest.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 16, 2014, 09:02:08 PM
Think of BTCPD as the BBB of Bitcoin....

Sounds like businesses pay for membership, is that correct?
Do you also rate companies that are not members (like the BBB) based on consumer feedback?

Negative, one of the major things that is going to be implemented with the final site revision is called whitelists.  It will be a widget that each company signs up for, they can sign up and start at bronze(which requires a basic investigation to prove said company is not fraudulent) and work their way up, they can however pay for higher levels, each level has a harder investigation, a large majority of the money received from the investigations goes towards paying for the investigation.

We will have a forum setup that is attached to the widget they will receive,(you can see en example of the widget on our site) on that forum members(that's you the community) may review the site and deduct or add points that will be reflected on the widget. should the company gain enough or lose enough points the symbol will be upgraded or downgraded on the widget attached to their site.

all the reviews will be done by the members, companies will have the opportunity to respond and correct the situation with no charge(the one time investigation fee is the only thing anybody pays us). The only review posted by us will be the investigation they paid for(posted publicly).

The investigation will remain non-biased as agreed in the nonnegotiable contract between us and the company. paying for a platinum level investigation does not guarantee a platinum level widget.

If there is anything I failed to provide please let me know and ill be happy to.

So what do you do during these investigations? Who do you hire to conduct them?  Why wouldn't the company just pay trusted members of this site for the same thing.

how intense each level of investigation will be is still in the works. however, an example would be for our highest level(platinum), we would actually have an on site visit, subject the company to a company background check(i.e. find out what lawsuits its been a part of), have to be shown proof of systems stability as well as proof of financial stability. we are putting together a team of agents for conducting the investigations. and sure the company can hire these trusted members, however the complications being details of the investigation, and the tools we can provide to the community in a one source format.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 16, 2014, 09:04:44 PM
Yeah I'm pretty much against this but I appreciate your tenacity.  Maybe produce some serious results and we go from there?

may I ask why you are against this? what do you not like about it? as for serious results, we are, we do have an active blacklist and try our best to promote everybody to report anything. although like i said previously the full site is still under construction what we have provided is enough to get everybody by until its done. please keep in mind this is a project in development.


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: 9inety7even on April 17, 2014, 02:27:45 PM
What's to stop me from paying you to put a competitors site on your blacklist?


Title: Re: The new bitcoin police
Post by: enrapha on April 17, 2014, 02:34:45 PM
What's to stop me from paying you to put a competitors site on your blacklist?

we don't accept payments for anything other then donations or whitelists. also, full reports are publicly posted, there would have to be legitimate reasons to blacklist a company.  full transaction reports for btcpd will also be posted publicly every six months. we will try to be as transparent as possible. in addition we will be slowly building our own mining database so the fear of us being paid off is less likely.