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When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

As far as I know Types of traders:
1. Scalper: it can be done in minutes
2. Day trader: within 1 day
3. Swing trader: can be weekly to monthly

Traders focus on stock price fluctuations. The important thing is there are stock fluctuations/movements. So, technical analysis (patterns & trends in price movements)

Investors: long term. The focus is on company performance. So, the analysis is fundamental.

But I've also read an article, if you buy Bitcoin and hold it, you can say it's an investor. because traders and investors are the same.

Maybe someone below me can answer and give a better explanation.

Anyone that can profit can be considered as a Bitcoin investor. So if you hold it in your wallet for to long that you can make a profit or there is what we call return of investment.

If you spend your bitcoin then you used it as what is was designed by Satoshi in the beginning, as a payment scheme.

Once you’re holding something that at a long period of time would yield profit then you are investing in that entity and you can be called an investor

 
I don’t get what you mean entirely but if you mean treating bitcoin as a currency then I wouldn’t call that an investment because you are not looking at gaining profit over a long term. This is even the first priority of bitcoin inception in the first place. The only person regarded as an investor is a longer time holders

There is a similar thread where this discussed extensively. I tried to make search but the forum and cloud fare could not allow me.
How about we call it "Bitcoin owner"
Ensure you first have Bitcoin, it is you that will determine if the money you put into bitcoin is for investment. If yes, it's bitcoin investment. If not, name it according to your purpose.

Investing means you are looking to profit from that asset, as long as someone makes a profit from bitcoin, they are an investor. But there are still some people who don't see bitcoin as an investment, they see bitcoin as a currency, a peer-to-peer means of payment, and those who buy bitcoin for the purpose of spending cannot call them investors.

As I said, when you are a holder, a trader, as long as you are looking for profit, you are an investor.

It was defined that investors are the person who allocates their money with the expectation to profit so basically investors are people who buy Bitcoin in the belief that they will profit from it.  Those who buy Bitcoin and spend it may not be considered a Bitcoin investor but rather a Bitcoin user.


Those who spend Bitcoin are called Bitcoin users, they can't be an owner anymore if they buy and spend their Bitcoin since the spending part simply means they are parting with their Bitcoins.

You can be both an active user and an investor at the same time. If you own some amount of BTC, constantly spending and earning or rebuying a part of bit, but also holding some for the future, then you are simultaneously an investor and a user.

Outside of the US, a lot of people store their wealth in the US dollar, because it's more stable than their home currency. But they aren't typically called "USD investors". Technically, the same should be true for those who own BTC, because Bitcoin is a currency. But it's so fast growing that a lot of people buy it for the sake of making quick profits, which is easier to categorize as investing.

For me, it depends on your goal. If your goal is to buy cheap Bitcoins and in the future, you wanna sell them for profit. If you only use Bitcoin in your daily life, without losing or gaining any value, I don't think you are being investor, so hodling Bitcoin could be also referred to as investing.

Everyone has their own way of understanding and explaining things. To me, Bitcoin investors could be considered anyone who has put in something, either their time or wealth, in order to acquire some Bitcoin. Wealth in the aspect of using their money to buy Bitcoin. Their time in the aspect of mining or any other means of acquiring Bitcoin.
 
You can only be called an investor if your acquired Bitcoin is still stored somewhere. No matter how little the Bitcoin is, there should be at least some of it to represent your investment before one could be called an investor, and if eventually all your holdings have been spent, the person should no longer be considered an investor but will now be referred to as someone who's invested in Bitcoin.

He is investing in Bitcoin when he bought it and use the wallet so for me he could or should be considered as an investor.
As long as you invested on something no matter how big or small it is, it is still an investment so you are already considered as an investor.
And for time frame I don't think that it is really important as I've mention before as long as you invested on it no matter how big or small your investment it or how long it has been it is already an investment so you are already an investor.

Investor is quite vague as a term, especially when you have short, mid and long term investors purchasing BTC for various reasons. Think of the way some people say ”I’m gonna invest in some gold”, does this mean they’re gonna “hodl” forever? It could be until tomorrow or for a decade. They may not even truly believe gold investments are worth the effort on the long run, but they’re shortly investing in it.

Investing doesn’t require belief or long term planning. If you want to invest, you just become an investor by buying BTC.

From a broader point of view, there are several types of investments and they are not always in the form of property values, most of which are for personal gain. There are developers who invest their ideas and time in the maintenance and improvement of the protocol, full node runners who maintain distributed copies of the blockchain ledger. And several other forms of contribution that are not directly visible in the bitcoin ecosystem can also be said to be investment.

Investors are actually people who have part of the ownership of an asset. they deliberately put and hold the Bitcoin they have in their wallet for a certain time. As long as he owns Bitcoin, he will be an investor.
if you only have a wallet with no Bitcoin ownership in it, then he cannot be called an investor. because there really are people who aim differently in holding Bitcoin in their wallets for a fiat replacement. meaning they own the Bitcoins for the transactions they make. so he is a user, not an investor. even though they both own Bitcoin, we have to look at the goals they built for their ownership.

A bitcoin investor is someone who buys bitcoins with the goal of making a profit. A Bitcoin investor can be
- Day Trader
-Long term holder
-short time holder
-instant buy/sell in panic market

All are bitcoin investors

Investors are people who spend their capital to invest in Bitcoin and hold it a long time. What is considered as a long time?

HODL waves (https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/hodl-waves/) chart gives you many hodl wave bands from 24hours to 10 years +. At Lookintobitcoin.com website, you will have three charts for hodl wave with 1 year, 5 year and 10 year as hodling times.
https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/1-year-hodl-wave/
https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/5-year-hodl-wave/
https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/10-year-hodl-wave/

Investor (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/investor.asp) shows big difference between traders and investors. Investors hold their investment positions for years to decades. It matches with LookintoBitcoin with charts for investors hodl wave 1-year+ and longer.

I don't consider those people bitcoin investors, they are just pure users as they use bitcoin as a currency to pay their daily bills.
Being an investor means you are looking to profit from bitcoin, and you will be a bitcoin investor when you hold or are a trader. Depending on the purpose of each person's bitcoin, not everyone can be called an investor when they do not see it as an investment. But as far as I can see, most bitcoin holders are investors, because of its volatility it is not suitable for use as currency, so 99% of bitcoin users are investors.

You're an investor if you hold an asset for the purpose of holding(investing), regardless of the amount. That's pretty much it. It doesn't matter if you spend some of your bitcoin or not.

An investor hodls his bitcoin long time like more than one year but he can have different wallets. Hodl wallets for investment and smaller wallets with small amount of bitcoin to use daily or when needs to use bitcoin for payments. You can not say a person who uses bitcoin as payment method is not a Bitcoin investor.

You can not know which wallet belongs to who and who is he, trader or investor.

If I don't tell you, you will know know what are my Bitcoin wallets, addresses. You don't know how many wallets I have and how I use each wallets for payment or investment.

an investor, they are prepared to do long-term holding. so if someone has bitcoins in their wallet, it actually depends on that person's initial goal, whether he is going to make a long-term investment or will trade. but what is clear is that he wants to make a profit from keeping bitcoins in his wallet, no matter what method he takes, can be short-term trading or long-term trading, as long as he gets profit according to the target, then that person is successful

If he earns profit from it, then he is an investor since anything that you put money on and expect a return on is already an investment, but if he just uses it like we use cash, receives it, and spends it, then he is a user of Bitcoin since he saw that Bitcoin is a good, anonymous, fast transaction, and probably this is the payment method that his merchant is asking for, which is why he is using it. It is not only holding Bitcoin; there are a lot of types of investors in Bitcoin: traders, staking, holders, and others who accept it as a payment method and hold it for a long time for profit.

Anybody that earn from Bitcoin investment either yearly, monthly, weekly and daily are called Bitcoin investors because they are holding for profit making which are very important to long term investors and short term investors in the community. If you are a type of person who buy Bitcoin when the price is low in the market and sell little or all when the price is high in the market just to ensure you make a good profits at the moment you are a Bitcoin investor. You can have wallets and nothing is inside the wallet you are not a Bitcoin investor, but when you start purchasing bitcoins and hold for the for the wallets for the right time to come before you can sell you are now a Bitcoin investor.

Everyone that uses Bitcoin in right way meaning either they are for Trading or Payment method but constantly doing it are already considered as investors , it does not need to be Holding to be an investor because the moment you buy Bitcoin and uses it you already invested in this crypto and already trusted the coin.
which means one thing you invested your money in a certain period of time .

Our crypto markets have two kinds of users, the retail user and the big boys aka the whale investors...which means anybody that is using their crypto almost on a daily basis and in small chunks is definitely going to be classified as a retail user and if you buying or selling huge sums of bitcoins then you can be called a whale.

Btw using a particular wallet can not define what kind of  bitcoin user you are unless the amount of coins one hodls!

In some way this could be true...but the whole idea of investing is waiting for value of a coin to grow after a certain period.

Btw when someone talks about an investor in our crypto circles,  usually this should mean they are buying  bitcoins, holding them for a while and when price goes say 5X or 20X whatever the multiplier then the can sell later on.

If you are holding Bitcoin in your wallets for a certain period of time or have invested any amount to get it for profits then it can be termed as investment even if you spend the coins.Suppose you get it and then immediately withdraw the amount then it can't be expressed as investment or make you investor.You need to hold it for specific time period atleast.

An investor is anyone that puts in any factor of production in a business intending to make monetary or non-monetary returns. A bitcoin investor just like other investors can invest short-term, medium-term, or long-term based on their investment plans. Bitcoin traders are an example of short or medium-term investors while holders always have long-term plans.

It is good to differentiate the wallets that are used for daily transactions and the others that are used for holding your investment. Hot wallets will be suitable for daily transactions or trading while cold wallets will be suitable for holding Bitcoin for a long time. Cold wallets are not exposed to hacks like hot wallets.

Man sometimes I don't blame governments for trying to crack down, when all you guys seem to just love complicating things.

When you earn profit from something, it means you sold something for more than what you bought it for. That is called capital gains. It can be shares, stocks, coins, even a house.

It has nothing on its own to do with investment, investment is to put in effort or money in the hopes of getting profit. Hopes, not guarantee.

You can have losses and it's still an investment.

Cryptocurrency investors might be ambiguous. Investors allocate capital in hopes of profit. This definition makes everybody who buys Bitcoin to make a profit an investor, whether they spend or store it.

Bitcoin investors believe Bitcoin will rise in value over time. Like buying and owning shares, this is customary. Spending Bitcoin might be considered active investing. It involves using Bitcoin as a medium of exchange, supporting the Bitcoin ecosystem and indirectly increasing its value and profitability.

Thus, Bitcoin investors include hodlers and spenders. Blockchain technology encourages cooperation, therefore this view embraces the numerous roles players might play in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

A bitcoin investor, in my opinion, is someone who purchases and retains bitcoin over an extended period of time with the intention of profiting from it. Therefore, whether for a short length of time or a long amount of time, any Bitcoin holder with the intention of benefitting should be regarded as a Bitcoin investor.

Some people just use one wallet, spending some of their bitcoin but never intending to spend it all. For instance, if a person possesses 4 bitcoins, they may opt to spend only 1, while holding onto the other 3 for the purpose of profiting from it.Due to its profit-oriented nature, I continue to view that person as Bitcoin investor too.

You invested in Bitcoin? Congrats! You're a Bitcoin investor. There is not need in overcomplicating things. There are different types of investors, but those are just details.

There are short term investors and long term investors and every Bitcoin buyers are not really investors, some are traders who trade daily to make profit, investors are those that believe in the future value of Bitcoin, and short term investors are those that buy and hold for a short period of time to make profits but long term investors want to be a big part of Bitcoin, they even plan to have Bitcoin when they are retired and spending the rest of their lives enjoying life.

The door is open to every type of Bitcoin investors and I don't care which is which, but I do care about myself and that's why I choose to be a long-term Bitcoin investor.

Things are working as they should, Bitcoin was not created for holders only, we ned the spenders and traders too and that's what has been happening since day one, Bitcoin is already a success.

I'm proud of You Sir Nakamoto

Only the true believers of Bitcoin becomes the long term holders and these are the type of people that deserve to be called Bitcoin investors, not those that chicken out after some downside movement, I mean, some people can't even take their eye off their Bitcoin wallet, when some rumours are spreading online they will quickly go check their balance.

These type of buyers are not real investors, they are looking for quick gains and they don't understand that Bitcoin doesn't work that way, you must hold for a very long time to get the best return of investment out of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin stands out among other digital currencies because of this, other coins promise a certain percentage of returns as passive income but they end up killing themselves in a short term.

Is there any difference if someone said you're a Bitcoin investor or not a Bitcoin investor? what's the effect into your life?

Even though I active in this forum and I get paid in my subscription campaign, which mean I have Bitcoin, if someone want to say I'm not a Bitcoin investor, I don't care. It's not my job to let everyone know I'm a Bitcoin investor or debating I'm a Bitcoin investor, that's completely wasting time.

To make it more better and simpler for you to enjoy not mixing the whole funds together, you will need to have two wallets, one will be the wallet which you will not spend from it but have your bitcoin over a long time in it, the other will be a wallet that will be holding little percentage of what you're having, whereby you can exchange from the wallet or send bitcoin to others from it, you also have to take an important notice that if you're to use a wallet that will have your long term investment with, it must be a decentralized wallet and a good example are the ones of cold storage, the only differences of everyone investing with bitcoin is their duration of investment and the type of wallet they are holding their coin through from the blockchain.

I see all talking the same who put bitcoin in their wallet then he will be an investor regardless of long or short almost all define the same.
Even if you have 0.001BTC alone it is considered an investor no matter how many bitcoins are held in it will be considered the same as an investor.

Not only referring to bitcoin, there are many other types of assets there including as an asset owner then he is an investor, so not only in bitcoin.

Yeah I’m not sure that you’re really an “investor” if you’re not holding the assets for a period of time, or putting them towards something that is going to help them grow that bitcoin “investment” that they made. Someone who just buys bitcoin and then uses it to pay for items goods or services, in my opinion, aren’t really investing, but are “supporting” it.

Strictly speaking, somebody who is using Bitcoin as a currency is probably not a Bitcoin investor. I think profit is something that you can't take away from any investment. So an investor refers to somebody who spends money with the goal of making a profit later on. Therefore one who is into Bitcoin but isn't thinking of making money or having gains out of it is not an investor. He could simply be a Bitcoin believer or a Bitcoin supporter but he's not an investor.

Even though we have bitcoin without any investment, I don't think it has been said by investors, because investors are people who invest and they often experience losses and get profits, so for people who just store bitcoin without touching and they just wait when the price increases it is not fully said to be investors, on average their investors dare to take every risk even though they know the loss they will feel but they Always looking for ways to be able to make a profit.

No. If you use mainly BTC for transactions (which is actually a good thing as adapting to web3 currency), you're not an investor but only a consumer. Investing is accumulating an asset and letting it sit in a place for a long time until it yields profits or higher prices. You can say for a slang term that a "hodler" is equivalent to an investor. Well, you can be a short-term investor or a long term where it could take you 5 to 10 years to wait.

Yes, you have to wait. Because in investing you don't touch it or use it on your spending. But you buy it on the smallest amount and sell it for the highest possible amount. Most people mess up on the waiting part.

Some one who owns a wallet they spend bitcoin from, how are they getting the bitcoin they are spending in the first place? As long as they have a reliable source through which the earn the bitcoin they are spending, there is also the possibility that they have some bitcoin kept aside for future purposes, so yes, I could consider them a bitcoin investor too..

But then, on a normal days, those are holding bitcoin, whether bought or earned through any means, are those who are the true bitcoin investors, this is because, being an investor of a company means you either have a share in the company or you are holding an asset linked to the company for future profit and dividend in profit sharing of the company.

Both of these people are bitcoin investors imo. It doesn't necessarily mean that you should invest big amounts to become a bitcoin investor. You can invest $5 in bitcoin and still be an investor. Obviously you are not going to make much profits with that $5 worth of bitcoins but you are still an investor no matter what others say.

Here is another example:

You can own 1 AAPL share and still be an investor in AAPL. You can vote at the annual shareholders' meeting. The price of an AAPL share is around $200 nowadays.

Bitcoin is both an investment currency and a means of payment. If you patiently keep Bitcoin in your wallet for a long time, there may be an opportunity to make a profit when its price increases. However, the bitcoin price can fluctuate significantly, and returns are not guaranteed. As for the exact method of payment, Bitcoin was designed as a digital means of payment, but in reality, it is now considered more of a speculative asset than a means of payment.

For me personally, Bitcoin investors are individuals who set aside their money and save it in the form of Bitcoin, hoping to generate additional profits when exchanged for FIAT currency in the future. It is not significantly different from buying stocks as an investment or buying Bitcoin as an investment. Every person surely stores their wealth in the form of Bitcoin if they become Bitcoin investors.

Subsequently, they sell Bitcoin when it can yield profits or, alternatively, sell Bitcoin due to emergency financial needs.

For someone to spend bitcoin, he must at one point hold bitcoin before becoming a spender or he should have bought bitcoin, in either case, he is an investor at one point or another.

In business there four major types,  Manufacturer, Wholesalers, Retailer and Customer. A business without customer is not a good business. Upon all these different categories, they are all involved in the business process and that is how bitcoin investors are.

There are different categories of investors in bitcoin. I had seen in the forum different names of bitcoin investors according to their acquisition of bitcoin in the system but I have forgotten the particular thread.

Of course. Anyone who holds their Bitcoin on a wallet is an investor. No matter how much the Bitcoin and how long he keeps it, we can call him an investor. But if he uses Bitcoin for trading, then we call him as a trader.

Hold Bitcoin and keep the Bitcoin on the wallet are the same, no difference.
The different may be about the goal, investor just hold the Bitcoin on wallet but a trader uses the Bitcoin for trading constantly.

IMO

Lots of posts are overlooking the question when the question is quite simple. An investor, someone who has confidence in a business, asset, commodity or the alike and backs it either by usage, promotion and/or money, with the hope of future gain. That's my definition of an investor, kind of tailored to Bitcoin.

An investor to me, in relation to Bitcoin, can be anyone who uses it or has confidence in it. Just like fiat money, which everyone is invested in (by order) and which value is upheld by confidence.  Anyone who spends Bitcoin must first buy (or invest) in it, having confidence in its spendability and usability.

Someone who hodl's and treats Bitcoin as a store of value, or hedge against inflation, or *insert bitcoin long term value proposition*, I'd consider a long-term investor.

According to my understanding, the term Bitcoin investors start with someone that understands the importance and benefit of Bitcoin. This will also be someone that has an interest in BTC through its technological features, is ready to take the risk involved in BTC investment, and also has a long-term perspective on her investment in BTC.

The typical perception of trader is an individual who engages in buying and selling in Bicoin or any other tradeable asset for short term gain, relying on technical analysis/charts and profit taking strategies to generate passive income from trading activity. On the other hand an investor is someone who purchases Bitcoin or any other asset after thoroughly understanding the fundamentals and its underlying technology/market dynamics and holds it for a comparatively longer period to realize substantial profit from their investment.

If he keeps most of his Bitcoins in that wallet, he can be categorized as a Bitcoin investor. But if he often spends his Bitcoin for various purposes, maybe he is an active Bitcoin user. As for people looking to profit from the difference in the price of Bitcoin on the market, they include traders.

But it seems that those who own Bitcoin can also be categorized as investors because they may have other goals than owning it. A person is said to be an investor when he keeps Bitcoins for a certain period.

And based on theforage.com/blog/careers/investor, investors are:

It can actually be both ...

Trader/speculator - Refer to someone that actively buy and sell Crypto currencies to make a profit. These people seldom use their coins and they treat it as a commodity.

Crypto user - Refer to someone that are using Bitcoin as a currency to buy products or to pay for services. They do not care about hoarding coins to make a profit.

indeed many of us call a btc investor, because the name bitcoin is increasingly popular in this world. but I personally also don't really know who a BTC investor really is, but this time I will only tell you what I know.

In my opinion, what is called a btc investor is someone who buys btc with the aim of getting a profit from their investment in btc, so basically a btc investor is someone who owns btc.

For me, when a person intends to make a profit from bitcoin, they are an investor, but those who hold and use bitcoin as a means of payment, they are not a bitcoin investor.  and that's the great thing about bitcoin compared to all other assets, bitcoin can be both a currency, a method of payment, and it can also be an investment. it all depends on how each person uses bitcoin.
To become a bitcoin investor, you can trade, buy, sell, lend... not just hold to be called an investor.

Bitcoin was designed to stand as optional choice for means of transactions without a third party interference. But due to its limited supply many bitcoin users uses it as a store of value known as HODL,  for both short and long term investment's.  In a general way, so much as you're using bitcoin as ROI project of any nature you're a bitcoin investors

          From my point of view, a person who owns some capital and uses it to spend it is not an investor since my investor term is that person who invests or decides to dedicate a part of their financial resources to a variety of assets, such as stocks, bonds, real estate and other types of investments, all of these activities clearly with your risk tolerance and financial goals in mind. Investors in any type of economy You can choose to make short or long-term investments, according to your particular needs and objectives, depending on your investment strategy and term.

          Which brings me to the second point, which is where the question of this thread lies... does the term "investor" only refer to those who own Bitcoin? Well, I think that a Bitcoin investor is someone bold who dedicates part of their financial resources exclusively to this cryptocurrency. We, unlike traditional investors, are immersed in an exciting market where we not only spend our money, but also use it to buy and sell at the right time, looking for maximum returns. Sure, we have to take into account the staggering volatility of Bitcoin and the risk of significant losses! However, we always keep in mind the possibility of skyrocketing gains if the value of Bitcoin spikes in the future. But let me tell you that to be one of these investors requires an essential virtue: patience. As the old saying goes, "He who doesn't risk, he doesn't win."

Generally, when people call someone a Bitcoin investor, they simply mean that the person has invested money in Bitcoin but is not someone who spends Bitcoins. So, if you have used your fiat money and bought Bitcoin, and haven't sent them anywhere yet, you are a Bitcoin investor, but if you have bought Bitcoin and used them somewhere and don't have any anymore, you won't be considered a Bitcoin investor, if you are trading with your bought Bitcoins, you are also considered an investor.

But I think, if you have used your bought Bitcoins for trading altcoins, then you might be considered an altcoin investor since you won't have any Bitcoins anymore, so all in all, if you have bought Bitcoins and are holding at least some part of it, you are considered to be a Bitcoin investor.

According to Oxford online dictionary, an investor is a person or organization that puts money into financial schemes, property, or an asset with the expectation of achieving a profit. So from this definition given above, it clearly shows the difference between the two scenario given above that a person who only spend Bitcoin is not an investor, as such individuals is only focus on executing transactions and not profit making, unlike someone who holds with the aim of waiting for the right time to sell and make profit. So I hope you understand now?

A Bitcoin investor is really someone who has utilised their financial resources to purchase and hold a certain amount of Bitcoin with the intention of profiting from their investment. These individuals have typically paid attention to the research on the crypto market and surely believe that Bitcoin offers a good investment opportunity because of its limited supply, increasing popularity, and potential for everyday transactions.

. Regardless of their level of experience, It goes without saying that these investors have the same goals, mainly to invest capital in a good way and get a reasonable return on it.

Investor is a person who has some coins set aside. This means that if you have a wallet you use for your daily needs, but you always have a certain amount of bitcoin that you don't spend, you are an investor.

Let's say you have 10k in bitcoin, and you sometimes spend some of it, but then buy or earn it back, so that you continue to maintain a positive balance, you're an investor.
Now, is a trader also an investor. This is an interesting question and I'd say that a trader who holds coins on exchange is technically an investor, although taking a lot of unnecessary risk.

I understand that an investor is one who incorporates his asset into a project that may have the potential to increase said "invested" amount...so if bitcoin is spent in this case, it could be said that said function is not working since it does  would not return anything, otherwise it would be if this expense were to buy more of this currency in order to have more possibilities of earning a considerable sum, so that there it could be seen as an investment.

So for me, only one who owns and retains their bitcoins could be taken into account as an investor so that they increase their value, or decrease depending on the volatility that is present, since the instability that maintains said asset that rises and  falls, is what makes it possible to that enter the investment range Being a currency with changing value!

it all boils down to whether you're here in the industry for profit or you're not and you're looking to do something else. For the most part, every person out there who bought bitcoins, used it at least once and then held the rest are automatically considered "investors" since they bought and invested on bitcoin for profit. Certain people who didn't buy bitcoin and are here for profit too but took a different route, like employment or developing, are still technically investors but we don't really talk about them.

The main gist is, if you have bitcoins in your wallet, you're using some sort of strategy either to get more bitcoins or to get more dollars out of your bitcoins, and it's working, you're already an investor hands-down.

Saying he is means he should still be holding some of those Bitcoins, because I'm a one-time landlord of some old properties somewhere, which, because of some personal challenges, I sold out, and I no longer have a house of my own but am now a tenant to another landlord. Will I still be called a landlord? I will consider using the past tense "Was" on such a person who has bitcoins but has spent them, rather than saying He "is" a landlord. Because they are no longer in possession of what gave them that title.

Since the goal is to hodl and gain profits, someone who has had some bitcoin in their wallet for a while should consider themselves a Bitcoin investor.

Some other points you say, not at that point. ​If a person does not now have bitcoin in his wallet, he should refrain from calling himself an investor in bitcoin because it is the past. He currently has nothing to indicate that he expects to make money from bitcoin in the future. Unless he decides to invest in bitcoin later run a later. When he still has bitcoin in his wallet, that is when he should be addressed as a Bitcoin investor.

Very apt! Some people try to make out many things from the word investor. If you have your money in bitcoin as part of your investment, you are automatically a bitcoin investor. It is that simple unless anyone wants to confuse the masses and themselves inclusive.

I have read where some people try to set the amount of bitcoin one should own before it can be regarded as an investment and also how long they will have to hold it before it will be called an investment. That is not it.

Nice proverbs, I think looking at it from the perspective you pointed out really clears the issue a little because having something before and now no longer having it is never the same so I guess its safe to join you and refer to such person or bitcoin investor with the tense of the past. The same could actually buy back the BTC sold and still decide to hold to become once more an investor as to same way the tenant landlord can still acquire another house of his own again and still be called landlord once more.

Someone wants to call himself a Bitcoin investor if he still has Bitcoin in his wallet for the purpose of being able to achieve the planned profit target, but holding bitcoin does not specify a specific time and if you are committed to a long term hold then you are indicating a serious investor waiting for higher profits when the bitcoin price potentially recover or be able to reach a new ATH. If he has sold all the bitcoin assets then they have left the category of bitcoin investors even though they are still monitoring and analyzing the crypto market all the time and when they buy back bitcoins they have become part of bitcoin investors.

We can consider what is considered as an investor in general:
Source: Oxford Languages
From the definition above, simply put, we can mean that an investor is anyone who spends money to buy something that he hopes will bring profits within a certain period of time. Likewise with Bitcoin. Investing in Bitcoin means that someone spends money to buy Bitcoin at a certain rate and then sell it back at some point. the hope is to bring in profits. What differs a little is how long we invest as Bitcoin investors, whether for the short-term or for the long-term.

The focus in this case is back on the Investor. We know that Investors are people who keep or invest in bitcoin over a longer period of time so in this case when it comes to shopping or trading I would not say that as an investor but as a trader.
The conditions may be a little similar, it's just that when traders even hold bitcoin but they realise that their goal is not for the long term which makes them try to buy and sell bitcoin but it's different from Investors because they have their own targets both in time and the progress of profits to be obtained as the ultimate goal.

I don't want to go into specifics like you, nobody really cares what you're using bitcoin for. What I mean here is that many people see bitcoin as an investment, but there are still some who see bitcoin as a currency just like Satoshi created it. As for whether they disguise or hide what they do, nobody cares. Not everyone who owns bitcoin is an investor, although I don't deny that 99% of people enter the market for the purpose of making money and becoming an investor.

Well, your scenario seems a bit strange, although it's quite relatable, but you still cannot compare the situation of a Bitcoin Investor to that of a landlord. The reason why I say so is because, even if someone spends their Bitcoin today for some personal reasons, if the person is a real Bitcoiner, he will definitely have the intention to re-buy the Bitcoin he or she has spent, and it can be replaced with a gradual accumulation, so we can say the person is still an investor. But for housing properties, you really cannot buy a house with $20 or $100, but with Bitcoin, it's just as easy to Begin to re-buy the Bitcoin you spent. Although I get your point, @Nwada001, my point is that it's very easy to re-buy the Bitcoin you spent today the next day, but not so easy for a house.
  


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Bitcoin users are people who spend Bitcoin in a buying and selling activity.
Investors are people who own assets and set profit targets for a certain period of time.
A certain period of time is further divided into several parts such as long term and short term.
More or less. There are many sources that you can use as a reference to find the difference you mean.

The answers to this topic have totaled 4 pages and all of them provide answers that are close together or point in one direction clearly.

Simply an individual who bought something with hopes that its market value will increase and that profit will be earned. If you have some holdings in your wallet and you tend to use it on its sole purpose, then you are either a consumer or user of this technology. The difference between a consumer and an investor is with regards to the purpose and intention and the extent of how would he/she make use of that particular thing. However a consumer can also be an investor if the sole reason to why they have engaged into this industry is to spread awareness and to look forward with profitable future.

If you believe that Bitcoin sold out can still be gotten back by the holder with just a matter of time and determination, the same thing is applicable to a house owner. For me to be able to own a house today because of a predicament, I sold it out to solve that issue. If I'm determined to buy another house, I can still do it. The same determination that's required for an investor to grab back his investment is also the same thing that someone could use to buy a new house.

You can also say that Bitcoin could be purchased with any little amount of money in one's hand since it's divisible in nature. The same thing can also happen when it comes to landed property. With the little money one has, you can go for whatever you can afford. But for the main time, provided that you are no longer in possession of either the property or the bitcoin, they don't see you as qualified to be called an investor until you decide to own them back. Only then can the title return to you.

In my opinion, your risk tolerance, financial goals, and market outlook should all be reflected in the assets you select to invest in. Although both Bitcoin and real estate can be purchased in fractional amounts, their respective markets operate in quite different ways. Depending on your point of view, the fluctuating price of Bitcoin is either frustrating or fascinating.

Regarding the premise that the investor's status is tied to their possession of an asset, I respectfully disagree. An investor, in my view, is someone who spends not just money but also time and effort learning about the market, making strategic decisions based on that knowledge, and then reflecting on and improving upon those results, whether or not they are lucrative.

Both spending Bitcoins from a specific wallet and hodling them can classify someone as a Bitcoin investor. The term "investor" encompasses individuals who actively engage with Bitcoin, recognizing its potential for financial growth. Whether through spending or holding, they participate in the cryptocurrency ecosystem, taking calculated steps to manage their Bitcoin holdings. Both approaches involve strategic decision making, aligning with the core principles of investment. Therefore, both spenders and hodlers can rightfully be considered Bitcoin investors.

Not only the one who spend or hodl can be considered as Bitcoin investor but also those who trade. If you call yourself as Bitcoin investor, you have to make sure that you're a big part of the success of Bitcoin, you might be one of the reason why the price increases. Traders for me is a short term investors because they usually won't hold an asset for a long time. They are also the reason why the price is always moving up and down, and encourage big investors to get inside. So if you're a trader, you can also be called as Bitcoin investor.

Look at the definition of investment and then you will know who is a "Bitcoin investor". When you invest on something, you hope for the value to appreciate in the long run and then you sell it for profit. How can it be called investing in bitcoin if you are actually buying bitcoin to use it as a regular day day transaction currency? You spend it, you no longer will be making any profit. So yes, the term investor refers to only those who are holding bitcoin with the hope of making profit when the price goes up. It is the same for everything you invest on.

As long as you are hoping for profit, it is an investment, even if your main purpose is to spend it, but at the same time, you are hoping the price goes up so that the value will be higher. But again, this is nonsense because all of us are benefiting from it, no matter what the purpose. We do have our own perspectives, but let's just respect each other. No matter if they are called investors or not, as long as we are using Bitcoin, then it is good for us.

If you already have BTC, even if it's a few and you're holding it for a certain period of time, you're in the investor class. Tthe general view of Investors is that people/companies/financial institutions have a lot of money that they can afford to buy BTC. Well, what @ndutndut conveyed is the component part. I can conclude that anyone who has bought and owns/holds BTC and is directly involved in buying and selling transactions, be it small or large categories, is one of them.

Holding for a certain period of time and already in the investor class?
It seems that the investor class is not always the case, within a certain period of time it could be short-term and those who only buy Bitcoin for the short term are referred to as traders and only take advantage of Bitcoin price fluctuations for profit.

Not those who are only able to buy Bitcoin, but those who are able to buy and then hold Bitcoin for the long term, so that they will benefit from long-term holding.

Those who are directly involved in buying and selling Bitcoin are not always referred to as investors.
They have different goals, buying and selling for speculation in the hope of quick profits.

To simply say, anyone can be an investor as long as they hodl and they believe its value will rise over time as to compare to those who use btc for a short amount of time like using it for transactions, etc. There’s also a clear difference between traders and investors. Investors do the long game while traders try to make profit off of the volatility of the market which happens very quickly opposed to investing which can last for years.

rather, the term is suitable for those who bought bitcoin for money and hold it for a long time and will sell it at the price they want. And the one who has bitcoin in his wallet and spends it and somehow uses it also falls under the category of investor, but the user is likely to be right. Investors usually make few moves, most often it is a purchase and a final sale.

It will just be called as currency if you intend to use it for transactions or any related activities does not include investment. Maybe a proper term for people like that is bitcoin user and not bitcoin investor. The only difference about bitcoin investors they are there as you said aiming to accumulate good profits either for holding it  or invest it on other investments. Maybe some people got confuse about it but they should not think about it since its not really important matter to discuss.

I believe that many of us if not all, use Bitcoin in many ways so that our bitcoins serve us with different use cases. Sometimes we use bitcoin as a digital currency for transactions. Other times, we use bitcoins for trading and investment.

In my opinion, it's hard to say what Bitcoin is and it's harder to get agreement with others about this classification. Just say Bitcoin is Bitcoin and you're free to use bitcoin with any use cases it has. Because you will not be winner if you argue with another person who does not use bitcoins in a same way you do.

You have bitcoin, I have bitcoin, so fingers cross and smile together.

It seems to me that everything is simple here, an investor is someone who buys bitcoin for the long term, while he understands when this is the best time, he waits for this when the bear market comes and tries to use the accumulation phases for this. Also, the investor most likely understands when he will sell, he determines the exit points in advance.

If bitcoin is simply used as a means of payments, or for trading, short-term, or even medium-term, then this is not an investment, it is something else.

In my terms I will classify investors into two categories minor and major investors, those that look for short-term gains from 1 month – 1 year falls under the category of a minor investor, whereas a real investor is someone who does an investment based on a futuristic outcome, so to call yourself a real Bitcoin investor you must have the ability to buy and hold Bitcoin for mid-term to long term, or you are a long-term holder already regardless of the number of Bitcoin that you own.

I think that the name investors implies that it's someone who hold Bitcoin or who invest in bitcoin both in long term and short-term and investor is only in cryptocurrency investment that someone can be called investor because we have different business that someone can investor for such as real estate management and crude oil business and gold mining business, even importation and exportation of goods and services are the major thing people consider as investor, because you are expecting a profit in any of what I mentioned if you plant your money in any

Bitcoin is a versatile asset, and whether it becomes an investment or a currency depends on the use case, I find it unnecessary when we are trying to figure out who is an investor and who is a bitcoin user. But undeniably, the people who know and own bitcoin are mostly investors, very few people use bitcoin as a regular means of payment. People only use bitcoin as a payment method to experience or when they can't pay with fiat. Not too many people see it as a currency.

If we look at various definitions of investors (I focused on popular dictionaries and Investopedia), it seems that it should be a person or organization that puts money into something with an expectation of financial returns. The profit may never come, but someone is still an investor if the goal for to gain profit. Investors are usually separated from traders because traders actively use their capital for short-term gain, whereas investors are focused on a long-term gain. Considering that, anyone who sets aside some BTC and expects to gain profit this way in the long run is a Bitcoin investor. That doesn't mean that this person can't use some BTC for other purposes, and it also doesn't mean there's any financial threshold to pass because it counts as an investment.

Whether he invested his bitcoins for 1 minute in those private transactions, I think is a pretty broad investment opinion based on our knowledge. Personally, I always see people who come into contact with this market, they are all investors, do you have to own bitcoin to be considered investing? I think no, when you take the time to learn about it you are investing your own knowledge in it, and you are already a difference from the crowd, and the ability to put money into it whether it is or not is a matter of materiality as well as the decision of each person. Try asking some people who started making money in this space from zero what they need to get there, knowledge brings bitcoin, it's happened and is still happening in this forum, truth 100%.

For me who already have bitcoin and they can get profits or losses, of course it has been called an investor, because when he first wants to have bitcoin, of course he has to spend capital either following a project or directly using cash, even though he does not do a swing trader, day trader but he invests in a long term and he does wait when profits can be obtained, So investors have their own ways to invest.

Bitcoin investors basically refer to those who trade in bitcoins and invest in bitcoins hoping to make a profit. It is not just a small amount of trading in bitcoins to become a bitcoin investor, but becoming a bitcoin investor requires a certain care. Many times people buy bitcoins and declare themselves as investors when in fact to be an investor one must be well informed. A buyer can be considered an investor when he invests in Bitcoin with the intention of holding it for a long period of time. A person who buys and holds bitcoins and then sells them again within a short period of time should not be considered an investor.

Minor investors may get profit,but their loss will be acceptable one for them.Because they will inverse their money in little amount and the loss will be very less compared to other investors.The Major investors will look into inverse in huge amount and try to become a big whale to certain projects.Because investment should be bigger to get good money returns from the investment,even at the bear market.Some day traders will earn huge money at the time of bear market by short term selling.

That's right, people don't become Bitcoin investors by just buying Bitcoin and putting in their wallets to be using for transactions or use for a transaction. Anyone that wants to be an investor will always know it from the start, they would know their purpose for being in crypto, and they would always be interested things that has to do with investment and such.

Basically, people who want to invest on bitcoin should know what is the purpose of their bitcoin purchase. There are people who are mainly use it for transaction purposes just like what you said and there are people who buy bitcoin to hold and to make profit in the long run. There are also traders who flip bitcoin for fiat profit also gamblers that use bitcoin to do their gambling activities. There are a lot of reason why people buy bitcoin but I personally believe that an investors are the one who really hold their bitcoin until are satisfied to sell it for a profit.

Bitcoin investor is actually that person who put some amount of money into bitcoin for the purpose of investment and take benefit out of it and it does not matter that how much you put. One can put little amount as well as larger sum of money depends on what he can afford but a person with saved amount in Bitcoin is a bitcoin investor.

As a person put money for minimum timing then he will not be called as investor but instead he will be a trader because investor possess patience and keep their savings amount in Bitcoin for longer time to reap benefit during Bull season.

Everyone has different goals for buying bitcoins but my perspective regarding bitcoin investors aims to hold bitcoins indefinitely because according to market analysis that the bitcoin market has the opportunity to earn profits in the long term based on analysis in terms of achieving the price of each halving. If someone is committed to becoming a wise investor, make sure you use funds from investment allocations without being tied to other funds, because unless you do not determine investment management, you will not be prepared to accept the risk of loss if the market price does not meet expectations.

I think investment is something different. Investors "play" their sums of money so that they get "fiat" profit continuously. Some play long-term, some try to get extra money fast, but the key difference is dynamics: the investment process is more dynamic. As for storing BTC and spending BTC, it's more like saving, not investing. Investment is a game, often risky, while long-term hodling and withdrawing when needed is not that risky...

Your explanation of "investor" is great, but lets take it up a notch. You see, in the fast-paced world of Bitcoin, the line between a trader and an investor is often unclear. Can someone who holds BTC because they believe in the technology and dont want to make money right away still be called an investor? Or are they just a hoarder with moral leanings?

Taking your idea a step further, if we zoom out and look at Bitcoin's potential effect on global finance from a macro-perspective, arent we all, inadvertently, "investors" in this paradigm shift? Even if you only have a small amount of BTC, your participation in the community helps it grow. So, maybe its not about the amount or the reason, but rather the shared belief in a free economic future.

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In my opinion, what is called a BTC investor is a person who holds BTC for a long or short time.

But in this case, everyone has a different opinion.

I can simply define you Bitcoin investor. Anyone who owns a Bitcoin holds it or does daily trading is called a Bitcoin investor. However, if we talk in general then every person who buys Bitcoin invests in it and waits for some time that its price will be increased sometime are the bitcoin investors. On the other side if a person has a wallet then he is just doing some payment transactions from it and he is not coming from this category but if he buys Bitcoin with the expectation for the future that its price will increase then he is considered to be an investor. Every person has their own definition and does not agree on one so it's my self opinion.

Let's first talk about Investment. What actually is an investment?

An investment is an asset or item acquired with the goal of generating income or appreciation. Appreciation refers to an increase in the value of an asset over time. When an individual purchases a good as an investment, the intent is not to consume the good but rather to use it in the future to create wealth.
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So as you can see, if you are making a profit from something or that thing is increasing in value over time, that's an investment. You set a goal and you work for it.
If someone is hodling Bitcoin in their wallet and spending it little by little while also making profits or the value is increasing over time, then yeah, he could be considered as an investor. But if he is spending without any goal and just as a payment method, he's a Bitcoin user, not an investor.

Also, not only those who are hodling are called investors. There are other ways you can accumulate/acquire Bitcoin. By trading, mining and storing(HODL). In every way, your goal is to make profits out of the time or money you spend on it. Those are the Bitcoin investors.

Probably Bitcoin adopter would be a more accurate term on this case. This person has been using Bitcoin as currency on his daily life for purchases and negotiations and doesn't seem to have long term financial returns as a goal. That is the difference between him and Bitcoin investors.

However, I think the hypothetical situation you mentioned is really unlikely, because everyone dealing with Bitcoin daily, being them traders, merchants, freelancers must also be Bitcoin investors, because they understand the potential benefits of holding a portion of BTC on their wallets thinking on future bull runs which have potential to boost the currency's price to new ATH levels. I don't believe there is any Bitcoin adopter who isn't a Bitcoin investor at same time.

Both long and short time bitcoin holders are investors and it doesn't matter if they are spending from their wallet often or not, bitcoin is what anyone can have and spend at his convenience each time they wish to release their holdings, we have to also understand that a decentralized currency like bitcoin needs more understanding from us in realising that it's a currency that only exist in digital form which we can decide to exchange, hold or accumulate more as we want each time we so wish as an investor.

For me being an investor means that your primary end is making money out of something, no matter what. If you just use something than you're a user. If you buy an iPhone you're not an investor because you use the product but if you buy the stock than you're an investor. If you buy and hold bitcoin you can be an investor, if you just need bitcoin to send money (which is its goal by the way) you're a user.

The investor is someone injecting funds into the Bitcoin market with the aim of making a profit from its high volatility, development, and adoption.  No matter how they use the Bitcoin they bought as long as they plan to make a profit out of their injected money though most investors will hodl until the Bitcoin price in the market hits their target selling price, it is the goal of the person whether he will become a Bitcoin investor or not.  Just like when someone buys BTC to use it for the daily transaction and is not aiming for profit but only for convenience then this person is only a user.

I think everyone who has or still holds bitcoin can be called a bitcoin investor. As with investing in other instruments, such as the stock market or gold, investors can enter and exit at any time. And that's not a problem because everyone wants to profit from bitcoin price movements. We must be careful in determining when we need to buy bitcoin and hold it and when we sell bitcoin.

But if I have a lot of money, I want to hold some of my assets in bitcoins for a long time and some to trade in bitcoins (daily or weekly trading - scalping)

Even from the definition of what is said about being investor, --- “An investor is a person who allocates financial capital with the expectation of a future return or to gain an advantage.”

So I guess it's someone that HODLs, because they always have the expectations of a future return and not in a hurry of spending. And these people also invest huge amount, and not just money for coffee ☕

Thats actually correct but most of the so called investor are always tempering with their holdings and some of the reasons for this is because of the lack of understanding and knowledge of actually investing or maybe they rely on their investment for lively hood and this can make an investor lose focus and scatter his whole plan of investing because he doesn't have means where other funds are coming from

Indeed, in terms of investing in BTC, many people tend to hold it for a long time, which is what is called an investor, but in this case of course there are many different opinions, but in my opinion, investing in short-term BTC is also not a problem, such as 3 days or 5 days. It is important that there are benefits to be gained.

but your opinion is really good too and very easy to understand.

But for those who are using bitcoin as currency and payment method, they don't care about bitcoin profits then they cannot be called investors. Bitcoin is so volatile that it can be profitable even if many people do not use it to make a profit. But that doesn't mean they are also considered bitcoin investors.

To me, those who are intending to find ways to profit from bitcoin are called investors. We cannot equate people as investors just because they own bitcoin but have no intention of making money from it.

The term bitcoin investment basically refers to people who buy and hold bitcoins. You cannot become an investor just by using bitcoins, becoming an investor requires high skill and experience. For example, if a person trades Bitcoin daily and holds it for a long time or holds it for a short period of time, they can be called an investor. And if you invest your money in bitcoins, then you are definitely an investor too.

In simple terms, if you are waiting for a profit, no matter if you have a skill or experience, holding a bitcoin doesn't require it, but it is a must because you know there are tons of ups and downs, which for sure your emotions will follow also. So I would say as long as you are waiting for a return, but if you're just spending it, then you can't be called an investor, unless you say that you will wait a few more days or weeks to see if the price of Bitcoin goes up before you convert it or use it, which can be called holding.

I don't think there is anyone who spends bitcoin as soon as they buy it. Maybe in the case of having received it as a payment for something it could be, but  normally, even if you tend to spend it, you will hold on to it for a while, so you can be considered an investor, especially if you expect to make a profit from it.

For me, an investor is above all someone who acquires an asset hoping to make a profit from it, holding it for a certain period of time, but above all who knows the asset he is buying and the market well. That for me is the difference between an investor and a gambler

That's right no one using bitcoin is an investor who holds bitcoin for the long term and stays in one place despite the ups and downs of the market, they are usually professionals. Knowledge about investment and crypto market is high real investors use them not only to earn money but also as an option in trading or investing. They usually want to grow the investment year after year using bitcoin to give you a high return on your capital.

A Bitcoin investor can vary in terms of background, motivations, and investment strategies and they usually fall under these range ;

1. Early Adopters: Individuals who recognized Bitcoin's potential early on and acquired Bitcoin when it had a relatively low value. Many early adopters are technology enthusiasts who were intrigued by the concept of a decentralized digital currency.

2. Speculators: Some investors are attracted to Bitcoin's price volatility and potential for high returns. They actively trade Bitcoin, trying to profit from short-term price movements. Speculators aim to buy low and sell high, taking advantage of market fluctuations.

3. Long-term Investors: These investors have a belief in the long-term value and potential of Bitcoin. They tend to hold Bitcoin as a long-term investment, often motivated by the idea that its limited supply and growing adoption may drive up its value over time.

4. Institutional Investors: As Bitcoin has gained prominence and regulatory clarity has improved, various institutional investors such as hedge funds, asset management firms, and even publicly traded companies have started exploring investments in Bitcoin. Their motivations can range from diversification of their portfolios to hedging against inflation and economic uncertainties.

5. Individuals in Regions with Economic Instability: In countries experiencing political or economic instability, some people turn to Bitcoin as a way to protect their wealth from potential devaluation of their national currency, capital controls, or restrictions placed on traditional banking systems.

It's important to note that these categories can overlap, and individual investors may have different combinations of motivations and strategies. Each investor's approach to Bitcoin can differ based on their risk tolerance, investment goals, and understanding of the cryptocurrency market.

In simple words we can say that those who wait for profit by investing in Bitcoin or those who buy Bitcoin with the intention of profit are called Bitcoin investors. In this case, it is not just about doing the transaction. Here there can be profit or loss in investment. When you gain or lose by purchasing, both will be marked as investment. Generally we consider who invest in bitcoin for a long time. Someone can asked, can I be an investor if I can make a small profit by selling bitcoins on the same day I bought them? I think he is also an investor because he invested for earning money. Generally Bitcoin investors are those who invest with the intention of making profit by buying and selling Bitcoins.

When one commits money or capital all for the sake of making financial gain/profit, such a one is considered an investor. In the case where the financial commitment is done with cryptocurrency, or in this case BTC, the person can be called a Bitcoin investor.
A Bitcoin or crypto trader is an investor as well as anyone who HODLs BTC short or long term. Also committing an ample amount of time to a potential profit venture, is an investment too.
The aim of an investor is to make more gain or double their capital and it really does matter alot  the strategy or kind of venture one intends to invest in.

holding Bitcoin in wallet without investing or trading it, doesn't make someone an investor. you will only called an investor when you are trading on your Bitcoin and making profits.

My understanding is that a Bitcoin investor is someone who holds Bitcoin for an extended period of time with the intention of profiting, whether it is for a lengthy or brief period of time. The investor is an investor if the only goal is financial gain. Everyone has reasons for holding cryptocurrencies, and I believe that the majority of people who have Bitcoin in their wallets are holding for the sake of making profits.

Well my own contributions and understanding on your question is that.
Anyone that has bitcoin in the wallet can be called a trader, some may not see their self as a trader because they are not watching the market or reading news about bitcoin, meanwhile bitcoin normally goes up and down and it effect everyone that has bitcoin in the wallets anytime bitcoin makes moves.

At this point you are also a trader but you may not know or consider to be a trader, the only people that that consider to be a trader is those ones that watch the market and know when to buy and sell.

Well my answer goes like this. Anyone that has bitcoin in the wallets is a trader period.

if he is just depositing and and spending all the coins ?


eg. deposing to use for Gambling .

then we cannot consider that sa Investors because he is just using crypto as medium to play in crypto gambling sites.


but if he deposits for example 100 dollars and only spent 20$ keeps the 80 then he is completely a Holder in which many of us I believe is doing?

The word investor is anyone who does business in the Bitcoin space to achieve a goal which can be monetary or non-monetary. Somebody can invest time, skills, or money in Bitcoin and the reward he is expecting can be in the form of money or other intangible reward. People who do bitcoin awareness and education voluntarily can be said to be investors. They might not be expecting money but he expects his students or audience to learn about Bitcoin and become believers. The joy of a bitcoin volunteer is the natural sense of accomplishment.

Now investors can put in money with the main of making profit within a short, medium, or long period. Some traders target daily profits and others within days or months but bitcoin Hodlers can keep the currency for years or even decades. Bitcoin hodlers are generally referred to as real investors.

Basically an investor is someone who has bought or invested money in a particular company or business. So when referring to bitcoin, of course it's the same.
So if you look at the basics of investment, someone who has bought bitcoin means that person can be said to be a bitcoin investor.

So even if the person spends bitcoins in any way. Basically this person can still be said to be a bitcoin investor. But maybe if it is directly spent or sold immediately, it means that the person only invested briefly in the bitcoin. Because you need to know, investors in bitcoin have several ways to make a profit. Some invest in the short term, there are also those who invest in the medium term, and there are also those who invest in the long term.

So the point is that bitcoin investors are not measured by the length of time they have held the asset (bitcoin), but the point is that if the person has bought bitcoin, it means that person is legally a bitcoin investor.
So the question the OP made was just a matter of the difference in selling bitcoins. One can be said to be a bitcoin investor who invests in the short term and the second is a bitcoin investor who invests in the long term.

I think from the common man's definition,  anyone who has a fraction of bitcoin  ought to be regarded as an investor because you already bought and invested  in bitcoin  regardless of how much and how long you hodl.
But on the real sense, people who hold for a much longer time are the real investors as there are several classes of bitcoiners which include both the day traders, long term holders as well as the scalpers but regardless of whatever class we call in, I think they're  all investors.

I don't completely agree with what you said, many people only use bitcoin as a payment method, they have no intention of making a profit from it, how can they be called investors? Buying bitcoin with fiat is a must because it is not yet a popular currency like fiat, and if they only convert enough bitcoin to pay then they cannot be called investors.

Don't forget that Satoshi created bitcoin for the purpose of being a peer-to-peer payment method, he did not create bitcoin for speculative purposes. So depending on the purpose of use, we can know who is the user and who is the investor.

In my opinion, investing in Bitcoin undoubtedly involves buying Bitcoin, but buying Bitcoin doesn't necessarily mean someone is investing.

Investing, in my view, is the act of purchasing something with the intention of increasing wealth by selling goods or services at a higher price than the purchase cost, whether through active management or not.

Thus, those who invest in Bitcoin are those who identify themselves as short-term Bitcoin traders or long-term Bitcoin investors. Their goal is the same: to profit from trading Bitcoin. However, the difference lies in their timing of selling.

Well, If he is just using Bitcoin as currency and not holding it for long to gain, then for me he's just using it for convenience. Because if we say investor, you're waiting to gain from what you invested either for short or long term. Therefore if you're not gaining from Bitcoin then I don't think you're an investor since you have other purpose on how you use your Bitcoin.

Anyway, we have our own understanding and stance regarding this hence I don't think it's a big deal. We're free to use our Bitcoin depending on what we think is beneficial and of course on what we believe in.

Trading shouldn't be confused with investing, there are two types of crypto investors, the short term investors and the long term investors.

Short term investors buy some Bitcoin or crypto with the hope of making some percentages in a very limited period of time, for example in a few months, when that time comes they take profits and move out of the market until they are ready for another round, mostly after another dip occurs.

Long term investors are those who willing believe in the money making aspect and also the technology, they are ready to make money from Bitcoin and they are also a long term believers, such people will always stay even after they sold their bags, they focus on having more quantities of Bitcoin as year's go by.

Traders cares about price action only, through the fluctuation of prices they make their calls and if they are right they go home with profits, there is no need to wait for weeks, months or years to make money with trading, price actions is what feeds traders, they are not investors.

There are many ways to earn money by investing in Bitcoin but among them I prefer long term investment. Long term investment gives good amount of profit. For that I prefer long term investment. But here is day trading.  Not much profit from trading is waste of time for which I don't like it much.

I think everyone has different views, and there are those who still continue to do daily trading because they have certainly analyzed it well and maybe they can still make a profit, although I also believe that those who do daily trading will not let go of the long term because it is clearly very profitable.Even though daily trading is very risky without accurate analysis and is not recommended for those without experience, it is still the case that long-term investment is the best, and I agree with what you say.

Looking back, trading and investing are very different. Short-term buyers are crypto marathon sprinters, as you accurately said. To take advantage of fleeting opportunities, they pace themselves for brief bursts of speed. They are perceptive, watchful, and hopeful. Long-term buyers, however, show patience. Marathon runners maintain a constant pace and concentrate on the goal. They are the core of the cryptocurrency community and think blockchain can change the world. What about crypto influencers and educators? Those who mold opinions, perspectives, and stories without transacting or making investments? Their significance is likewise significant. You cannot ignore their modest but significant contribution in this ecosystem

You are wrong on this assumption and in fact a Bitcoin trader may not be considered as an investor since he could possibly lose his capital plus all the gains that he made previously,  trading and gambling are in the same category as high risk activities and should not be relied on.

When you talk about an investor,  what that means is that their is capital protection even though you don't make any profits or lose in the business,  and holding bitcoin in your noncustodial wallet is the best form of Bitcoin investment since it reduces your risk of losing your coins,  but when you trade on exchange,  remember not your keys, not your coins.

I think trading bitcoin is different from investing,  trading happens to be an excess which is short and with the short time  the  trader is expected to make gain in every trade. While investing bitcoin happens to invest a particular among of money that is expected to be long-term for reasonable amount of profit to be gain from  the market.  When investing it is not necessary for one to monitor the market all time  to check the up and the down of the market,  investing is mostly profitable when it is long-term. Trading and investing are two  different things .

Hmmm, that's a really broad view on bitcoin investors and although you are right but with the original take of bitcoin as a currency itself I wouldn't class every one that has bitcoin as an investor because from what I understand it's first purpose entirely was to be used as an online money so I think  having money in your account doesn't actually classify you as an investor because most people just have bitcoin and never think of holding it as an investment means.

I get your points and I guess your points is coming  from bitcoin  being a digital  currency  but I was on the other hand seeing bitcoin  as a digital asset and bitcoin  being a digital asset simply means that anyone holding a fraction or portion of it automatically becomes an investor and this is drawn from a case scenario  of some one owning a physical asset like shares and irrespective of how much shares one owns they are still considered as shareholder and I think that is also applicable when seeing bitcoin  as a digital asset rather than a digital  or virtual currency.

I understand  that moat persons don't ry have intentions of holding bitcoin  but there are cases where people make profit as well as losses unconsciously while holding their coins hence they also take same risk as investors.

I find it very easy to make money from daily trading. However, if I do daily trading, I trade more in altcoins, and if I invest for the long term, I invest in Bitcoin. Let us remember.  Bitcoin is popular, so if you invest in Bitcoin, you never have to face any problem. However, you can make some money from daily trading with some risk in altcoin. But sometimes you lose money while trading. I trade by accepting both profit and loss.  It is very good for me.

Generally investor mean someone who are gaining profit from the increasing price of an asset, the same applied to Bitcoin, if a person is buying Bitcoin solely to gain some profit when the price of Bitcoin goes up, then he/she is investor. For your first case, people who has Bitcoin on their wallet and spend it for something or using it for a transaction, I think the correct term is Bitcoin Adopter, because they adopt Bitcoin as their currency for transaction.

No matter how long or short you hold the bitcoin, it is classed as an investment as long as you hold it and expect a profit on it because there are investors that are new. Let's say those newbies are holding a bitcoin and they thought it was easy, so they will sell it off. But in that short period of time they hold the bitcoin, they are investors, but it is just that they are lacking some knowledge and not able to control their emotions, which is why they sell off early.

There are no real or fake investors; it is only good or bad investors if we differ because others just jump into holding Bitcoin as they were persuaded by someone, but there are also still people who conduct research on Bitcoin for a couple of months before investing in it. So all of us are investors if we hold a bitcoin; it is just a matter of how good we are at holding it as well as controlling our emotions.

Even if you have 500 sat of Bitcoin you are considered a Bitcoin investor, anybody that holds a fraction of Bitcoin is an investor, this is different from a trader but traders can also be an investor because some use trading to increase their quantities of Bitcoin over time, I have seen a pro trader who use 0.003BTC to make 1.1BTC but that's a very long time ago, even gamblers now use gambling to acquire many Bitcoin.

I don't want to know how you get your Bitcoin, either through trading, buying, gambling, and others you are considered an investor if you have some Bitcoin in your wallet and you decide not to sell.

No surprise that newbie Bitcoiners have some inaccurate knowledge about Bitcoin, @smartgoat, Whether you are trading your Bitcoin for a short-term profit or accumulating and holding it for the long term, you are still considered an investor. As long as you just take out your money to buy Bitcoin and hold it in your wallet, you're an investor, but perhaps if you bought Bitcoin and, let's say, after the market became so bullish, you sold off and only held the Fiat, then you are not an investor again, but you were rather an investor when you had some Bitcoins in your wallet.

Traders are also an investors since they invest money to Bitcoin before they trade it.  Remember one cannot trade if they don't put money on the table.  They can also be considered long term holder if they trade for the intention of increasing their holdings by taking advantage of the market volatility.


People are considered investors if they:

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OP I have read serially with deep understanding on what another member has responded about this topic. Because I was curious to see what they have to say and what they believe as an investor. Am not an expert but what am certain is that you can't call someone an investor when they haven't put capital on a particular thing either for long time with the sole aim of getting profit in return.


I get your perspective, buddy, but I don't fully agree. I wouldn't categorize traders as investors, instead, I'd call them gamblers. Trading involves predicting the price of an asset and quickly stake your money to make a profit. On the other hand, investment is about evaluating an asset's potential and putting your funds into it for better long-term returns. On the hand they have one thing in common which is they staking of your capital

You have bitcoin? Then you're a bitcoin investor. You don't have it, then you're not a bitcoin investor. That's simple as that, as long as you have it on your wallet and you have spent money for buying then you are in the category of being a bitcoin investor. There's also this instance that you're still a bitcoin investor but you haven't spent any penny on it. How? When someone gives it to you and you hold now full custody on it then that's still considered that you're a bitcoin investor if you have kept it and have no plans yet of selling it. There's no need to make things very confusing so if it's no longer in your posession and you sent your bitcoin as a payment, you don't have it anymore. Therefore, you're no longer an investor of it but you used to be.

You're right. As someone who is not an expert, researcher or economic observer or can be called a layman, we do not need to complicate our view of who Bitcoin investors actually are.
Yes, I also think so that there is no need to make it difficult for us to know specifically who a Bitcoin investor is, because in my opinion in simple terms anyone who buys and owns Bitcoin can be considered a Bitcoin investor, despite each of us having different goals and different activities in utilizing the Bitcoin that we have.

But what about those who own bitcoin for the purpose of paying bills? Are they considered bitcoin investors? Because bitcoin was created by Satoshi as a means of peer-to-peer payment and we ourselves made it an investment by creating volatility. As far as I know, not everyone invests in bitcoin, there are still some who just use it as a currency. So I think owning bitcoins to be called an investor is not entirely correct. Investing is when you have the purpose of making a profit from it.

Yes, that's simple and easy as it is to understand.

Using it for payments differs from owning, holding and investing on it. Do you hold Bitcoin for investing or for paying your bills? While that's true that Bitcoin was certainly made for P2P payments but a lot has changed, that usage was never gone but just added for being a store of value. So, if you have bitcoin and uses it for payments then technically, you're not an investor per se.

everyone in this world can just install a bitcoin wallet on google playstore or appstore and there are dozens of choices of bitcoin personal wallets to choose from but investors in general are those who hold the investment assets, someone who doesn't hold bitcoin is not worthy of being called a bitcoin investor.

Personally, a single person can only be called a bitcoin investor if he buys and holds bitcoin for a purpose, that is to make profits in the long run. If he invest and trade later on, then he is still considered a bitcoin investor, and at the same time a bitcoin trader. However, if he only buys bitcoin just to fill his wallet for future use, most likely he is a just a bitcoin user, not really an investor.

Yes. We share the same opinion. A bitcoin investor can be an active bitcoin user as well if he constantly buy and hold bitcoin and sell for future profits, or use it as a mode of payment when price increases or whenever it’s applicable to. But if your intention is not actually to make profits but just use it as a sole currency in the future, then you are just one of those who promote the usage of bitcoin as what its originally designed.

Probably buying bitcoin is a sign that you wan to invest on it, even if others just want to buy it because it’s cheap but have no real intention to sell it in the future but only spend it for good when it’s value has skyrocket. However, as for my personal perception, a bitcoin investor is that one that buys and keeps his bitcoin in his wallet and just sell it when the price doubles or triples its starting price. That way, if he intend to sell for profits, then he’s actually a real investor.

As long as that person owns Bitcoin at any amount, he is already an investor. But real investors have a long-term plan and it is different from traders who just buy today and then sell tomorrow. Investors are also good at holding, they have patience, and most of all, they are very certain about their plan unlike those who claim themselves as an investor but later on, when the market is in correction they easily gives up.

The fact that you aim to buy and hold for future profits, that is certainly a proof that you’re a bitcoin investor. While others are buying for their own satisfaction that they can use it as a payment and promote bitcoin adoption, a lot of us here are certainly for investing purposes only.

I mean, even though a lot has changed about bitcoin and most of us just use bitcoin as an investment, myself included. But even if we use bitcoin as an investment asset, its peer-to-peer currency nature has not disappeared and there are still some people who do not use it for profit purposes. So if someone owns bitcoins, they can't be called an investor, it depends on what they use them for. Bitcoin is truly the only multi-functional asset we have to date.

There is no denying that we all view bitcoin as an investment rather than using it for payment purposes, but that also does not mean that bitcoin cannot be used as a currency or payment method. Not much but the percentage of people using bitcoin for payments is still there and they don't see bitcoin as an investment like we do. To me, people who own bitcoin but care about its price and hold it for profit are investors.

People who don't care about price and don't care about profits, just people who want to popularize bitcoin as a currency, they are not investors.

You're right and I agree. That feat of Bitcoin has never been gone despite that the majority of us sees that it's like an asset that everyone shouldn't spend on.

I guess the term 'to each their own' just have to be applied on this one.

Or sells when he's uncertain and despite losing some value of it, they choose to cut loss. This scenario happens and is for real.

No, there are many different types of crypto investors. Someone who hodls his coins is an investor, just not a very active one. It doesn't really matter how many wallets you have and how regular you use them. As long as you buy crypto currencies you are an investor. There can be a distinction between traders and investors. Crypto traders usually buy and sell their coins very quickly, they are looking for short term profits. Whereas investors have a more medium to longterm approach and focus on building a larger crypto portfolio. Not that it's really important which term you give for yourself, just make sure you have goals you work towards and enjoy the benefits of crypto currencies.

Op, sorry to say this, like I don't really understand your write ups but will only the topic, (who is actually a Bitcoin investor) I can easily relate to it.
Anyways a Bitcoin investor is a person who has already clicked the BUY button and it shows successful, then the investor holds for a longer period of time.

Yes you are correct, people both business people and all the rest, they only uses Bitcoin for investments and not for payments methods, and it sucks, if I have a personal business today I will use Bitcoin sa a payment method, but not now that I am working for someone I can't advise my director to accept Bitcoin for payment because I don't want to be stressed out by activities.
Well since Bitcoin is not permitted in some locality it will be a hard task for business people to use Bitcoin as a payment method in their businesses.

Why is it bad for people to use bitcoin as an investment? Are you taking advantage of it to make profit? When bitcoin is an investment, it also brings us many benefits, so how can we call it sucks?
Currently, bitcoin cannot be used in payments but that does not mean it will be applicable in the future. I think once it becomes more widely accepted and more widely used, it can serve as both an asset and a payment method. Nothing is impossible.

A person who earns money by investing money in Bitcoin for long term or short term, is a Bitcoin investor. Or someone who invests money in bitcoins and earns money by trading is a bitcoin investor. Or those who do instant buy and sell in bitcoin in panic market are a bitcoin investor.

In my opinion, people who hold Bitcoin for a long period of time in their wallet can be said to be investors, because their focus is only on investment and is different compared to traders who focus on trading in TF and various strategies to achieve profits.

An investor means that it is a person who puts money into something, to make a profit out of it. It's not about how long you hold the bitcoin in your wallet, if you hold bitcoin in a few months, you are an investor, and if you are less than that, you're not. You see, as long as you make money out of it, the moment you start putting your money, you're already an investor.

Yes, trading is different as it requires technical analysis and market strategy, more on buying and selling. It is riskier and needs to be more knowledgeable to be able to gain profit unlike in investing. It also has more transactions compared to investing which requires less.

Do you believe we're simplifying to much? Investors, in my view, see an asset's worth, potential, and long-term potential. Its not about generating a quick buck, and investing has no timeframe. Does buying Bitcoin today and selling it at a profit tomorrow make you less of an investor than someone who holds for years? Investing requires mentality, strategy, and vision

Moving on to trading. Its riskier, more technical, and more transactions. To claim trading demands greater knowledge? I think investing and trading involve vast knowledge, just in different ways. Understanding fundamentals, trusting in technology, and seeing the larger picture are essential to investing. Trading? You must catch market waves and grasp the present. Both complicated and risky. Do you see a problem that trading and investing cant coexist? Can't someone trade and invest based on the situation and asset?

Why do you think they are all the same? even though these three things are different professions even though they all involve Bitcoin with the aim of profit. Because what is more appropriate to be called investors are people who invest their money in Bitcoin, not those who trade after buying Bitcoin or sell Bitcoin when they see the market is starting to panic. I don't know where you understand this so that you think everything is the same and there is no distinction between the three.

If he deposits bitcoins with the aim of increasing his real profit from there then he is definitely a bitcoin investor.
And if he is to protect his money then he is never a bitcoin investor. Because he stored bitcoin there for the security of his wealth.

If you have a car and decide to sell it then you don't have it anymore but if it's still in your possession then you can be regarded as the owner. So to answer your question, if you have Bitcoin in a wallet and you spend whatever amount you want, as long as you still have some bitcoin left in the wallet that you can hold unto. Then, I think you are a hodler and also a bitcoin investor. But if you receive Bitcoin as a payment for your services and you squander it as it comes, then you cannot be regarded as an investor.