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With my whole time been in Bitcointalk I haven't gotten one thing clear, it might be because I haven't read the whole forum but I am still skeptical about my thoughts.
I want to know if I sent a user a personal message (PM) and I delete the massage, will the message sti spear in  ninjastic space? (https://ninjastic.space)
My reason for asking is because PM is a personal messager and if you delete a post in spare on ninjastic space so can personal message still spares in ninjastic space if I delete it?

With my experience using the Nninjastic Space, I have not come across even seeing users messages talk more about the deleted part. I guess the tools are specified for scraping posts from different threads, both providing that they have been posted on the forum before being deleted.

Aside from other users who I might have come across there post where they said they can access users personal messages, which I still don't know how possible it is, if not, I don't think there is too much development that is being used within the forum that is able to access personal messages. It's one's privacy, and it should be respected unless there is some sort of investigation that could warrant that kind of searching, which I still don't find convenient.

Personal message is private and AFAIK only the administrators can view every users' personal message, since he's not an administrator, he can't scrap personal message.

If you doubt, you can try to copy paste one of your personal message you sent to someone and search it in ninjastic.space. I've tried it and found nothing.

Message is what is personal to you, you can not see it on ninjastuc.space.

These are what that you can search for on ninjasctic.space using their ID:

Post
Topic
Username
User ID
Address

Only you can see your messages. Admin can be able to see it too is my guess.

PMs (personal messages) cannot be archived on ninjastic.space since they are not publicly accessible (for obvious reasons). It doesn't really make a difference whether you delete the message or not, as they aren't archived on external sites to begin with.

All my bot can see are the public posts and merits.

Can you see other people’s PMs? No? Then my bot also can’t see it.

There you go with the reply from the actual developer of the ninjastic space. And I think it's pretty common, that a bot can only see information which is available online to be seen by the public.
If it's not there, it's not possible for the bot to track it. Unless everyone from their end provide the data themselves to some sort of Form which then later store it in DB associated with your forum user ID.

If Ninjastic space may read personal messages, not every forum user will be in favour of it. PM; also known as personal message or private messages, is intended to be kept private and not intruded upon by any other party. If it breaches the rule of privacy, it is not worthy of the title (private or personal message).

Hmm, i think you already had the idea of the whole scenario here that these data scalper tools can not extract personal data because moderators had not allowed these unofficial scalper tools to remove or not give them access to PMs.

And only Administrators could see the PMs but there are a lot of members here, But now we have many tools to read more in less time so that's not a problem for Theymos here but still why would they read your PMs and if you still doubt then the best practise is not to share your Personal information on these PMs.

Personally I feel that being able to assess one's private message is a privacy bridge to me and that's wrong. Just like you I have not heard about anyone complain about this issue before, so it may not even be possible in the first place but you can never tell.

Regardless I find it unwise to send someone a message and then delete it, you should always watch out what you send to people it should be something you don't feel threatened about.

I post is made publicly for everyone to see and either you deleted  it or not it is already archived, but PM as you've called it is a personal message with the intention of not making its contents open to public, if not we all can spy to know what and what everyone sends or receives as PM, so personal message content is not visible with ninjastic space, i think the admin, moderators or staffs only could have access to something like that.

No need to panic, both LoyceV’s bot and Ninjastic’s do not have access to personal messages. Pms are private information, only admin have access. But even if you delete the messages from your end, the receiver will still have a copy of the messages. Posting pms with another user is frowned upon for the most part, unless it is necessary like in a scam report situation.

Try https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386000.0 to publish PMs.

Exactly, as any message that was successfully sent has already been saved on the receiver's end, if it's something that contains important information that shouldn't be shared, then the sender has made the worst mistake, which can't be correct as deleting the message from the sender's side has nothing to do with the receiver unless the receiver decides to delete it from their end too.

I have seen people make their personal messages public in the forum to prove a point or defend themselves during accusations. But they do it at will because nobody can access it except the administrators . It is easy to see deleted posts from ninjastic but I have never seen personal messages on the space. Personal messages are for private discussion. And I have never also seen any incident where these administrators release the PM of any member to the public. But if you want to know more about privacy on the forum you can check this link: https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php

OP you should consider correcting the mistake in the spelling of appear in the topic. It was difficult to get the idea of the thread from the topic until I read the content.

ninjastic space is an external website and has nothing related with forum administration or private databases. ninjastic space has nothing to do with users' personal messages. ninjastic space is to track posts/threads and users' activities like unedited deleted posts and mentions. Even moderators have no access to users' messages database, and only global admins (Theymos and Cyrus) have access to it.
There is already a discussion in Meta section about who has access to PM database: Privacy Concerns, Can Administrators and Mods Access Personal Messages? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463512.0)
The only way to receive a notification each time you get a forum personal message is by enabling email notifications because each time you receive a personal message you instantly receive an email.

Let's just say that content/posts that appear on ninjastic.space is that which is publicly available to all, anything else is private communication between one user to the other..hence the term " personal message " unless with special privileges as explained above :)

Ninjastic is limited to only scrap content which is publicly accessible...besides if third parties could easily see what people talk about in their private chats, do you think the forum would be a popular place...I don't think so!!

It is personal message, not private message.

You and a user who in PM contact are not only two members who can read those Personal messages. Who are other people can read those personal messages?

They are core admins like theymos and Cyrus if they want or if they have request from governments, police ...

Fortunately, normal users (not core admins) like you, me and other members, can not read personal messages of other users. This means scrappers can not read those personal messages too.

Unless both parties ( receiver & sender) wants to disclose it to the public I don't think anyone else can read or scrap those messages. I am not sure whether the admin can access those messages as it is not disclosed to anyone. Furthermore why would ninjastic go after a users PM? Those messages doesn't won't provide any information that can be beneficial for the forum.

As said by the developer above it is impossible since PM are confidential and not public. So don't be scared of people seeing and being able to read your PM. It is only if your account is hacked that the hacker can see everything in your PM.

The site also use API to fetch data from the forum and data dumps to provide you with all the information but PM are not included in any of it as the name suggests like it's personal so they are not visible and @TryNinja himself has responded to your doubts about it.

If I could, there's a $50k bounty waiting:

There is no API on Bitcointalk.

The only way for a personal message to appear in ninjastic.space or other automated sites is if somebody posts it in public first. So that's either you, or the other party.

Alternatively, as LoyceV already wrote, you'd have to take advantage of some unknown security vulnerability that allows you to read any person's private messages.

No...Otherwise, the anonymity is kept protected for real...
Yeahhh, I get your point - but most things that are applicable on posts aren't the same in PM's. On Posts, it's made that way so noone is able to prove something daft, insensible, sensible... whatever and get away with it or get forgotten in a hurry (if it gets deleted, adjusted or edited as the case might be).

that's Alot of cash bruh! Sure hope you developing?! (Rhetorical)

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Even you didn't delete it, the personal message will not appear in  ninjastic space? (https://ninjastic.space)[/b] personal message is meant for the sender and the recipient so there is no third party is allow to see those messages, but the only person that can see such messages is Sir theymos and I don't think moderators can see that as well.

 ninjastic space? (https://ninjastic.space)[/b] only capture posts and articles that are in the public domain and not in the private sector. If private messages were appearing in the  ninjastic space? (https://ninjastic.space)[/b] guy things would have happened in Reputation Board. We would have seen drama upon Drama. And it is better in this way.

Noo!! PM can't be checked/viewed/access via ninjastic space or any third party method. It's called personal message for a reason because it's personal. It doesn't matter if a message is deleted or not. Nobody has access to it but only the sender and recipient. You can only check public content using ninjastic space.

you can see the screen shot that I put below, is there an option to view personal messages?

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/27/MBmfW.png

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/27/MB6KJ.png

I've been using ninjastic.space for a long time, I often look there to monitor the posting habits that I make so I can make posts in many sections and threads but I have never seen an option to monitor personal messages that other members have (for wallet address of course there is)
so I hope you throw away your worries about this, from what I know, your message is very safe and the admin will never leak it to anyone lol