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Title: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 20, 2023, 12:06:14 PM
Sorry to bring this over here, I have a little challenge with my transaction for that past 6 days now and has never confirmed to the next wallet.
Actually I made the transfer using my trustwallet and the payment seems not to be confirmed since them till now and I want to know what is possible to do to confirm my payment.

From a post I was replied days ago, (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463434.msg62703164#msg62703164) I was told to import my trustwallet to the Electrum wallet and I did that currently transaction still showing pending. I was thinking if I import my wallet to electrum wallet there is an option to boost my transaction and now I am stock on the way and I don't know what to do currently.
Here the screenshot of what I mean.. But what gets me worried is that my balance still remains zero (0) while the transaction is pending, Is there anything to do currently to speeding up the transaction?

https://i.ibb.co/cr1YN6p/el.png (https://ibb.co/0GcsfCW)
https://i.ibb.co/HHhxkGK/el2.png (https://ibb.co/rwdc15Q)

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/d5f80b303486f616dc02df5413520b43543b725246161c520816e51aa1f4ebf3

I will be glad any help gotten you all.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on August 20, 2023, 12:10:00 PM
It means the transaction is not RBF enabled so you can only use CPFP.

If the receiving end is in your control


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Shishir99 on August 20, 2023, 12:13:34 PM
Since RBF is not enabled, you cannot do much with it.
Who is the receiver BTW?
Did you send it to your wallet or someone else?

Edit; It seems the receiver is Binance. I am sorry. You cannot do anything except for trying some acceleration service.
There is not much difference between the current fee and the fee you paid. You can wait a little more.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 20, 2023, 12:14:30 PM
If the receiving end is in your control

The receiving end is my Binance account deposit address and I can't have any control except the payment is being confirmed.
However, I am not too familiar with all these wallet setup and configurations, the short words etc..

Since RBF is not enabled, you cannot do much with it.
Who is the receiver BTW?
Did you send it to your wallet or someone else?


I am still the same person to receive the payment, but this is going to my exchange account which is Binance.

Edit..

How do I enable RBF?


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: AB de Royse777 on August 20, 2023, 12:18:10 PM
I am still the same person to receive the payment, but this is going to my exchange account which is Binance.
It means the receiving end is not in your control that told by the other user. You don't have they key.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Zaguru12 on August 20, 2023, 12:18:22 PM

The receiving end is my Binance account deposit address and I can't have any control except the payment is being confirmed.
However, I am not too familiar with all these wallet setup and configurations, the short words etc..

The RBF bumping option isn’t enabled from the mempool (as seen in image below) so you can’t bump it this way. My question is do you still see the balance on your trustwallet since the the electrum doesn’t have it. If yes go and double spend the transaction again that is send out the transaction again but this time the fee should be something like 10sats/vbyte

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/08/20/MPURJ.jpeg


How do I enable RBF?

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449436.msg62140176#msg62140176 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449436.msg62140176#msg62140176)


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Shishir99 on August 20, 2023, 12:20:49 PM
How do I enable RBF?

Click on Tools >> Preferences >> Transactions >> Tick the Use Replace by Fee box

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/08/20/MPa1C.png

I used some BTC transaction accelerators with your tx. While some others say they will boost your transaction, Viabtc says the fee is too low

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/08/20/MPXWb.png


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 20, 2023, 12:24:24 PM
How do I enable RBF?
RBF should be enabled when you are making the transaction. There is no way to turn a non-RBF transaction to a RBF-enabled transaction.
If your transaction isn't confirmed for 14 days, it would be dropped from the mempool of most nodes and after that you should be able to make a new transaction.

Click on Tools >> Preferences >> Transactions >> Tick the Replace by Fee box
This wouldn't change anything.
And it may worth mentioning that this option has been removed from the latest version of electrum.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Charles-Tim on August 20, 2023, 12:26:02 PM
I am still the same person to receive the payment, but this is going to my exchange account which is Binance.
It means the receiving end is not in your control that told by the other user. You don't have they key.
The best is for you to wait for some days and see if the mempool will become less congested and the transaction to be confirmed. Do not open Trustwallet again, just keep checking it on Electrum wallet to know if you will be able to rebroadcast the coin. After some days like 2 weeks, you should be able to rebroadcast the coins on Electrum.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Shishir99 on August 20, 2023, 12:29:01 PM
Click on Tools >> Preferences >> Transactions >> Tick the Replace by Fee box
This wouldn't change anything.

It will help him not to fall into this situation in the future. I guess he already understands that RBF cannot be enabled in Non-RBF transactions.

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And it may worth mentioning that this option has been removed from the latest version of electrum.

I didn't know that. I guess I have to update my wallet software. xD


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Charles-Tim on August 20, 2023, 12:33:36 PM
It will help him not to fall into this situation in the future. I guess he already understands that RBF cannot be enabled in Non-RBF transactions.
On Electrum the RBF feature is by default and you can not opt-in or opt-out for it. All transactions made on Electrum are supporting RBF. The problem is that he made the transaction on one of the non recommendable bitcoin wallet which is close source Trustwallet.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Shishir99 on August 20, 2023, 12:37:46 PM
It will help him not to fall into this situation in the future. I guess he already understands that RBF cannot be enabled in Non-RBF transactions.
On Electrum the RBF feature is by default and you can not opt-in or opt-out for it. All transactions made on Electrum are supporting RBF. The problem is that he made the transaction on one of the non recommendable bitcoin wallet which is close source Trustwallet.

I got it. What about the latest version of Electrum? RBF settings were removed from the interface. Just now I updated my Electrum wallet. What will happen to my new transactions? Would it be still RBF?


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Charles-Tim on August 20, 2023, 12:38:26 PM
Would it be still RBF?
Yes


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: dimonstration on August 20, 2023, 12:42:48 PM
I got it. What about the latest version of Electrum? RBF settings were removed from the interface. Just now I updated my Electrum wallet. What will happen to my new transactions? Would it be still RBF?

RBF is a default feature on electrum given that you will not change the settings. The problem of is he send the transaction using a wallet or address that is not supported by RBF feature. I experience this same issue on my bluewallet after I imported my private key of an address that doesn't support RBF.

On OP, Waiting is the best option.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 20, 2023, 12:49:50 PM
RBF is a default feature on electrum given that you will not change the settings.
There is no way to disable RBF in the current version of electrum and as mentioned above by Charles-Tim, all transactions are flagged as RBF.

I experience this same issue on my bluewallet after I imported my private key of an address that doesn't support RBF.
It's not the address that should support RBF. Regardless of what address you are using, you can enable/disable RBF for your transaction.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 20, 2023, 12:51:43 PM
How do I enable RBF?
RBF should be enabled when you are making the transaction. There is no way to turn a non-RBF transaction to a RBF-enabled transaction.
If your transaction isn't confirmed for 14 days, it would be dropped from the mempool of most nodes and after that you should be able to make a new transaction.

This is true I didn't enable it while make transaction, and I used trustwallet to send out the payment..

Click on Tools >> Preferences >> Transactions >> Tick the Replace by Fee box
This wouldn't change anything.
And it may worth mentioning that this option has been removed from the latest version of electrum.

Exactly.. The option has been removed I can't find it since the other user posted the image..

I am still the same person to receive the payment, but this is going to my exchange account which is Binance.
It means the receiving end is not in your control that told by the other user. You don't have they key.
The best is for you to wait for some days and see if the mempool will become less congested and the transaction to be confirmed. Do not open Trustwallet again, just keep checking it on Electrum wallet to know if you will be able to rebroadcast the coin. After some days like 2 weeks, you should be able to rebroadcast the coins on Electrum.

Maybe this could be the best option, because I couldn't find anything as the previous users do say.
Actually have made this transfer since from on Monday there about and yet still remains unconfirmed, that means I have to wait for like 2 weeks longer just as you have said.

I am still the same person to receive the payment, but this is going to my exchange account which is Binance.
It means the receiving end is not in your control that told by the other user. You don't have they key.

Never, is an exchange address which I have no private keys or seedphrase, sending from my Trustwallet to exchange address (Binance).


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Charles-Tim on August 20, 2023, 12:52:44 PM
I experience this same issue on my bluewallet after I imported my private key of an address that doesn't support RBF.
Even if the private key belongs to an address on Bluewallet generated seed phrase or not, and you import the private key on another Bluewallet, any transaction made will not support RBF. But if it is BIP39 seed phrase, it will support RBF even if or if not generated on Bluewallet.

I mean as you import the private key on Bluewallet, the transaction made on the wallet will not support RBF, unlike importing BIP39 seed phrase that will support RBF.

It's not the address that should support RBF. Regardless of what address you are using, you can enable RBF/disable for your transaction.
I think he meant that he imported a private key on Bluewallet.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: nc50lc on August 20, 2023, 01:03:47 PM
I will be glad any help gotten you all.
An hour ago, your transaction was purged from nodes with default mempool size configuration.
That's the best timing when you can replace it with a higher fee rate transaction.

If you're lucky, time it when the purging fee rate is higher than your txn's fee rate when your transaction was dropped from majority of the mempools including some Electrum servers.
You can check the default "Purging" fee rate in mempool.space (http://mempool.space).

When that time comes:
Restart Electrum and check if the transaction's status changed from "unconfirmed" into "Local"; if not, select another server.
Then after turning into "local", Right-click on it and select "Remove", then your coins should be available to spend on a new transaction.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 20, 2023, 01:04:01 PM
This is true I didn't enable it while make transaction, and I used trustwallet to send out the payment..
You can't enable RBF in trustwallet at all.
Trustwallet is close-source and it lacks RBF and many other features. I recommend you to avoid it and use a better wallet like electrum, so that you don't have a similar problem in the future.


Exactly.. The option has been removed I can't find it since the other user posted the image..
That option has been removed, because electrum no longer allows you to make non-RBF transactions and it flags all transactions as RBF automatically.


Actually have made this transfer since from on Monday there about and yet still remains unconfirmed, that means I have to wait for like 2 weeks longer just as you have said.
By default, transactions are dropped from the mempool if they stay unconfirmed 14 days. It's also possible that a transaction is dropped from the mempool earlier due to the node reaching its mempool maximum size.
As you made your transaction 6 days ago, most nodes should drop it from their mempool 8 days later. This is assuming no one will rebroadcast your transaction.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 20, 2023, 01:05:15 PM
I experience this same issue on my bluewallet after I imported my private key of an address that doesn't support RBF.
Even if the private key belongs to an address on Bluewallet generated seed phrase or not, and you import the private key on another Bluewallet, any transaction made will not support RBF. But if it is BIP39 seed phrase, it will support RBF even if or if not generated on Bluewallet.

I mean as you import the private key on Bluewallet, the transaction made on the wallet will not support RBF, unlike importing BIP39 seed phrase that will support RBF.

It's not the address that should support RBF. Regardless of what address you are using, you can enable RBF/disable for your transaction.
I think he meant that he imported a private key on Bluewallet.

Does this has anything to do with Electrum mobile wallet maybe to know if those missing option can found over there then I can proceed with it. Actually a bit hurry to settle out some part of my loan tomorrow..
If possible please give me guideline as I have already downloaded the Electrum mobile wallet... But has not imported my wallet address over there.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 20, 2023, 01:13:28 PM
Restart Electrum and check if the transaction's status changed from "unconfirmed" into "Local"; if not, select another server.
This should work. But I just created a watch-only wallet using OP's address on electrum and tried several servers. All of them still had OP's transaction in their mempool.

Does this has anything to do with Electrum mobile wallet maybe to know if those missing option can found over there then I can proceed with it.
As already said, enabling/disabling RBF on electrum wouldn't change anything. The RBF should be enabled when you make the transaction.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Charles-Tim on August 20, 2023, 01:15:25 PM
Does this has anything to do with Electrum mobile wallet maybe to know if those missing option can found over there then I can proceed with it. Actually a bit hurry to settle out some part of my loan tomorrow..
If possible please give me guideline as I have already downloaded the Electrum mobile wallet... But has not imported my wallet address over there.
I was only referring to Bluewallet and somehow off-topic to this thread discussion. Follow what nc50lc posted. I can see the purging at 5.04 sat/vbyte. You should be able to rebroadcast your transaction on desktop Electrum. If you are unable to do that, you can wait until most nodes drop the transaction from their mempool.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 20, 2023, 01:16:31 PM
Restart Electrum and check if the transaction's status changed from "unconfirmed" into "Local"; if not, select another server.
This should work. But I just created a watch-only wallet using OP's address on electrum and tried several servers. All of them still had OP's transactions in their mempool.

Does this has anything to do with Electrum mobile wallet maybe to know if those missing option can found over there then I can proceed with it.
As already said, enabling/disabling RBF on electrum wouldn't change anything. The RBF should be enabled when you make the transaction.

I understand now.. Thank you for your guide..


Does this has anything to do with Electrum mobile wallet maybe to know if those missing option can found over there then I can proceed with it. Actually a bit hurry to settle out some part of my loan tomorrow..
If possible please give me guideline as I have already downloaded the Electrum mobile wallet... But has not imported my wallet address over there.
I am only referring to Bluewallet and somehow off-topic to this thread discussion. Follow what nc50lc posted. I can see the purging at 5.04. You should be able to rebroadcast your transaction on Electrom desktop.

Okay..
I really want to appreciate all your support, I know I am not good in all this wallet configuration but with time I hope to understand it more better. Thank you all


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: nc50lc on August 20, 2023, 01:34:22 PM
Restart Electrum and check if the transaction's status changed from "unconfirmed" into "Local"; if not, select another server.
This should work. But I just created a watch-only wallet using OP's address on electrum and tried several servers. All of them still had OP's transaction in their mempool.
Yes, it's rebroadcasted/propagated since mempools just got lower in size.
That's why he should be at least active to check the purging size so he can have a chance to replace the transaction.

@SmartGold01 be sure to send a replacement with high fee rate right after removing the transaction after it turned "Local".
You have no other option aside from what I've posted in page1.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: dimonstration on August 20, 2023, 01:39:28 PM
I experience this same issue on my bluewallet after I imported my private key of an address that doesn't support RBF.
It's not the address that should support RBF. Regardless of what address you are using, you can enable/disable RBF for your transaction.

I encounter an issue before when I import the private key of my specific address coming from my electrum wallet to Bluewallet. I send the transaction using Bluewallet but RBF feature is not available.

My old thread is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462258.msg62655765#msg62655765

This is why I said the address instead of the private keys of my specific address. I think this is same case with the OP since he use Trustwallet that doesn’t support RBF and import it to Bluewallet.

Anyway, I’m no expert on this. Correct me pls.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 20, 2023, 02:00:05 PM
Yes, it's rebroadcasted/propagated since mempools just got lower in size.
nc50lc, do nodes rebroadcast transactions periodically?

Let's say I have broadcasted a transaction with the fee rate of 5 sat/vbyte. The network becomes congested and nodes that are using default setting, purge any transaction with the fee rata of less than 6 sat/vbyte from their mempool. Now, some nodes still have my transaction in their mempool, but the majority have dropped my transaction.
If the network becomes less congested, will the nodes that dropped my transaction receive it again? I think that's done, only if someone rebroadcast my transaction. I don't think the transaction that is dropped from a mempool comes back to the mempool, once the purging fee rate becomes less than the fee rate of my transaction.
Correct me if I am wrong, please.


I encounter an issue before when I import the private key of my specific address coming from my electrum wallet to Bluewallet. I send the transaction using Bluewallet but RBF feature is not available.
That's how bluewallet works. Bluewallet allows you to bump the fee only if the original transaction has been made by itself.
Generally, if a transaction has been flagged as RBF, you should be able to replace it with a new one paying higher fee. It may worth mentioning that in the case a node has enabled "Full RBF", it would accept replacing transactions, even if the original transaction hasn't been flagged as RBF.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: nc50lc on August 20, 2023, 02:24:29 PM
nc50lc, do nodes rebroadcast transactions periodically?
Periodically, maybe some clients.
Nodes? AFAIK, Bitcoin Core is known to rebroadcast wallet transactions and the contents of mempool.dat during startup, but I'm not sure if it does periodically.

Anyways, as what I've observed, OP's transaction was once missing from some mempools (e.g.: missing in blockchain.com blockexplorer) and just became available automatically hours later.
And I've seen some unconfirmed Electrum transactions that became "Local" once it gets dropped from the selected server's mempool.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Findingnemo on August 20, 2023, 05:07:07 PM
Anyways, as what I've observed, OP's transaction was once missing from some mempools (e.g.: missing in blockchain.com blockexplorer) and just became available automatically hours later.

Well, the transaction is showing in Blockchair.

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/d5f80b303486f616dc02df5413520b43543b725246161c520816e51aa1f4ebf3

And I checked the sender's BTC address and the balance still shows 0 also the purging dropped down to 4sat/vbyte so most likely the transaction will stay unconfirmed until 14 days period unless the mempool congested with Txs with higher fees.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Pmalek on August 21, 2023, 08:13:40 PM
Your transaction is still about 30 vMB from the top, so you still have to be patient. Unfortunately, there is nothing else you can do. RBF isn't an option, you don't control the keys of the destination address, and there was no change that went back to one of your other addresses that you could take advantage of to perform a CPFP. If there was some change, a Child Pays For Parent transaction with higher fees could be used to boost the overall fee rate of both transactions.

Your best hope now is that the congestion drops of just enough to get your transaction confirmed. Alternatively, you'll have to keep an eye on the purging rate as nc50lc mentioned to cancel the transaction if Electrum and the chosen server allows it.   


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 27, 2023, 05:44:45 AM
Your transaction is still about 30 vMB from the top, so you still have to be patient. Unfortunately, there is nothing else you can do. RBF isn't an option, you don't control the keys of the destination address, and there was no change that went back to one of your other addresses that you could take advantage of to perform a CPFP. If there was some change, a Child Pays For Parent transaction with higher fees could be used to boost the overall fee rate of both transactions.

Your best hope now is that the congestion drops of just enough to get your transaction confirmed. Alternatively, you'll have to keep an eye on the purging rate as nc50lc mentioned to cancel the transaction if Electrum and the chosen server allows it.   

Okay thank you sir..
Seems my transactions was reversed since it didn't confirm for that past 12 days thereabouts.. I viewed my wallet this morning and I noticed my balance is back with the previous amount I sent out since on 14 August.
I was so much bothered about this delay.
Also I want to use this moment to thank everyone who replied me on this issues as it was something very stressful and with the kind of person I am, I was so much worry concerning the unconfirmed transaction for past 13 days though I was actually thinking my fund is lost due to my inexperienced within how the network are being operated.
But believe me I have learnt a lesson and this time if transferring I would use Electrum instead of Trustwallet.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Pmalek on August 27, 2023, 06:47:41 AM
Seems my transactions was reversed since it didn't confirm for that past 12 days thereabouts.. I viewed my wallet this morning and I noticed my balance is back with the previous amount I sent out since on 14 August.
That's good to know. But just for the record, where did you notice the change in balance? Actually, the coins being returned to your previous address? In Electrum or Trust Wallet? If the balance is back to normal, Electrum shouldn't have records of local transactions in your wallet. But just to be 100% sure, you could check that.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: nc50lc on August 27, 2023, 07:52:05 AM
Seems my transactions was reversed since it didn't confirm for that past 12 days thereabouts..
I take that it "reversed" in your Trust wallet, right?
The current default mempool size exceeds the size which transactions with 5sat/vB and below got dropped, yours included.
But some nodes still have it, so it might propagate again when the default purging fee rate lowers again.

This is the right time that I'm talking about in my post.
You may need to spend it right now.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 27, 2023, 08:15:53 AM
Seems my transactions was reversed since it didn't confirm for that past 12 days thereabouts.. I viewed my wallet this morning and I noticed my balance is back with the previous amount I sent out since on 14 August.

That's good to know. But just for the record, where did you notice the change in balance? Actually, the coins being returned to your previous address? In Electrum or Trust Wallet? If the balance is back to normal, Electrum shouldn't have records of local transactions in your wallet. But just to be 100% sure, you could check that.

I viewed it from my Trustwallet the balance is back and I couldn't find the txt id anymore from Trustwallet..
That is to say; the 0.002125BTC I sent from my Trustwallet to Binance has been reversed back to my Trustwallet.

Seems my transactions was reversed since it didn't confirm for that past 12 days thereabouts..
I take that it "reversed" in your Trust wallet, right?
The current default mempool size exceeds the size which transactions with 5sat/vB and below got dropped, yours included.
But some nodes still have it, so it might propagate again when the default purging fee rate lowers again.

This is the right time that I'm talking about in my post.
You may need to spend it right now.

Checking from Electrum wallet it's still showing pending (unconfirmed) and my balance still remains zero viewing my wallet from electrum wallet.
This means since is showing unconfirmed on Electrum I have to make retransfer with trustwallet maybe I would increase the fee to be able to confirm as quickly as possible.

..
Edit
here balance: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qv5ewv4z2q62lkyxcszkw43kp3842xyup92mwh2
So I have initiated another transfer currently.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Pmalek on August 27, 2023, 08:23:14 AM
Checking from Electrum wallet it's still showing pending (unconfirmed) and my balance still remains zero viewing my wallet from electrum wallet.
The node (server) you are connected to still has your old transaction it its mempool. Try to manually switch through some of the other servers in the settings > network options. Maybe you will find one that has dropped it and moved it to a local transaction that you can then cancel. If done successfully, you could then create and broadcast a transaction paying more fees. 

This means since is showing unconfirmed on Electrum I have to make retransfer with trustwallet maybe I would increase the fee to be able to confirm as quickly as possible.
Trust Wallet created the issues in the first place because the transaction was sent without the RBF feature. If you want to try again with Trust Wallet, I would suggest the high priority fees according to Mempool.space or even one digit above. 


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: nc50lc on August 27, 2023, 08:45:41 AM
-snip-
Checking from Electrum wallet it's still showing pending (unconfirmed) and my balance still remains zero viewing my wallet from electrum wallet.
This means since is showing unconfirmed on Electrum I have to make retransfer with trustwallet maybe I would increase the fee to be able to confirm as quickly as possible.
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Edit
here balance: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qv5ewv4z2q62lkyxcszkw43kp3842xyup92mwh2
So I have initiated another transfer currently.
Since it's still unconfirmed in Electrum, the chosen server still has it in their mempool, you can't remove it and send another that spends the same input while it's like that.
As we speak, the purging fee rate recovered below 5sat/vB, but it wont stay like that.

I can't see any new unconfirmed transaction in the link in the Edit.
Have you sent using Trustwallet?
If so, your transaction may have been rejected by majority of the nodes for being a replacement of a non-rbf txn, since it didn't propagate.
It'll only be accepted by nodes with full-rbf option enabled, but it's currently the minority.

-edit-
As expected, your old 5sat/vB transaction reappeared in that link.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 27, 2023, 08:46:48 AM
Checking from Electrum wallet it's still showing pending (unconfirmed) and my balance still remains zero viewing my wallet from electrum wallet.
The node (server) you are connected to still has your old transaction it its mempool. Try to manually switch through some of the other servers in the settings > network options. Maybe you will find one that has dropped it and moved it to a local transaction that you can then cancel. If done successfully, you could then create and broadcast a transaction paying more fees.  

I have tried to change it but I couldn't find that option you mentioned from end here, I am using the updated version..
Electrum 4.4.5

This means since is showing unconfirmed on Electrum I have to make retransfer with trustwallet maybe I would increase the fee to be able to confirm as quickly as possible.
Trust Wallet created the issues in the first place because the transaction was sent without the RBF feature. If you want to try again with Trust Wallet, I would suggest the high priority fees according to Mempool.space or even one digit above.  

Yeah, I do increased my network Fee (Sats/byte) to 19, meanwhile the previous transaction that took days was 5 Sats/byte.
I believe this is at a very higher probability to get confirmed on time right?
Still used same trustwallet for the transfer since I couldn't locate the option given to me..

Edit..

-edit-
As expected, your old 5sat/vB transaction reappeared in that link.

Yeah I just  noticed it after haven to check back again, and I don't really know what is happening.. I made transfer from trust again with about 19 sats/byte as fee, but has not generated transaction txt, wait.. does it mean the appearance of the old transaction was the reason I couldn't have the txt for the recent transfer I made?


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: stompix on August 27, 2023, 09:29:53 AM
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Edit
here balance: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qv5ewv4z2q62lkyxcszkw43kp3842xyup92mwh2
So I have initiated another transfer currently.

This is getting confusing so please bear with me
1) on the 14th you sent this one
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/d5f80b303486f616dc02df5413520b43543b725246161c520816e51aa1f4ebf3
5sat/b that never confirmed andis not RBF

2) on the 21st you sent this one:
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/93404d7099a55089413c5ca68a69e2d5bf02c23e9680216761bbaff2e284b75a
same funding address, same receiving address, you paid 20.1 sat/vB and enabled RBF

3) did you try to send another tx to replace the first one or is it just a plan and you have never been able to as your balance is still zero?
What ID does this one have?

As we speak, the purging fee rate recovered below 5sat/vB, but it wont stay like that.

That's only for default nodes, mine for example has that set to twice as much, and even during the spam wave it was kicking out only below 2 sat/b, every major not hobby or personal node will still keep his tx for a while that's why it' still alive even now.



Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: nc50lc on August 27, 2023, 09:55:58 AM
As we speak, the purging fee rate recovered below 5sat/vB, but it wont stay like that.
That's only for default nodes, mine for example has that set to twice as much, and even during the spam wave it was kicking out only below 2 sat/b, every major not hobby or personal node will still keep his tx for a while that's why it' still alive even now.
Yes, that's what I've been pointing out in my other replies here, the previous one before that quote for example.
In that particular post, I'm talking about mempool.space's "purging fee rate" which is based from the default that I suggested OP to monitor.

-edit-
As expected, your old 5sat/vB transaction reappeared in that link.
Yeah I just  noticed it after haven to check back again, and I don't really know what is happening.. I made transfer from trust again with about 19 sats/byte as fee, but has not generated transaction txt, wait.. does it mean the appearance of the old transaction was the reason I couldn't have the txt for the recent transfer I made?
Like I've said, it didn't propagated since it's still in the mempools of most nodes due to it being rebroadcasted to them since its fee rate made it through their minimum.
If you were about a few hours earlier when it's dropped from the majority, you could've sent one that should be mined within the next block.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Pmalek on August 27, 2023, 12:09:41 PM
I believe this is at a very higher probability to get confirmed on time right?
It would have been if the nodes accepted it and propagated it, but that's not the case. I see no signs of a new transaction on Mempool.space for that address you mentioned. The last one remains the 5.03 sat/vByte you attempted to send 2 weeks ago.
Besides, the purging rate according to Mempool.space is currently 4.01 sat/vByte. Since you are paying 5.03, I doubt you will find an Electrum node that has dropped your transaction and allows you to cancel it in the app as a local transaction.

I think your best bet is to wait for the new business week to start and hope that the purging rate goes above your 5.03 sat/vByte soon. After that, listen to nc50lc's advice and look for an Electrum server that allows you to cancel the old transaction. After that, broadcast a new one paying higher fees.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 27, 2023, 04:16:21 PM
I just checked the transaction in some block explorers.
mempool.space (https://mempool.space/tx/d5f80b303486f616dc02df5413520b43543b725246161c520816e51aa1f4ebf3) and blockchain.com (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/d5f80b303486f616dc02df5413520b43543b725246161c520816e51aa1f4ebf3) have received the transaction around 2 weeks ago. blockchair.com (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/d5f80b303486f616dc02df5413520b43543b725246161c520816e51aa1f4ebf3) and blockcypher.com (https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d5f80b303486f616dc02df5413520b43543b725246161c520816e51aa1f4ebf3/) have last seen the transaction around 7 hours ago.

I am not sure, maybe trustwallet rebroadcasts unconfirmed transactions automatically.
SmartGold01, if trustwallet does so, your transaction will stay in the mempool of nodes, until the network becomes less congested and miners include transaction paying 5 sat/vbyte. This will probably take a very long time.
I recommend you to delete your wallet from trustwallet and only use electrum or at least don't open trustwallet.
As already said, most nodes drop transactions from their mempool 14 days after they receive it and after that you will be able to make a new transaction. This won't happen if your transaction is rebroadcasted again and again.

Before deleting your wallet from trustwallet, make sure you have backed up the seed phrase and you can recover the wallet.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: nc50lc on August 29, 2023, 09:30:03 AM
@SmartGold01 Can you try this?
This will enable you to create a replacement without waiting for it to get dropped, you can try to broadcast it to a couple of nodes.
Bitcoin nodes with full-rbf will still accept it.

  • 1. Turn-off your internet so that it wont sync.
  • 2. Manually flag to remove the unconfirmed transaction from your electrum wallet by using the console command below;
    Open the console (View->Show Console): wallet.adb.remove_transaction("d5f80b303486f616dc02df5413520b43543b725246161c520816e51aa1f4ebf3")
  • 3. Restart Electrum and the transaction should be removed from your history (only in your Electrum),
    while it's like that, create a raw transaction: Add the recipient in "Pay to", optional description and "Amount" (max), then click "Pay..."
    In the 'Pay' preview, set a fee rate that is enough to get it mined in the next block (ETA/mempool fee sliders wont work while offline), then click "Preview".
  • In the transaction preview, Click "Sign" (type your password if asked); then click "Add to History" to save it locally.
  • To export the Signed Raw Transaction, click "Share->Copy to Clipboard" and paste it to a text file.
  • Now try to broadcast that copied raw txn to a blockexplorer/node that supports full-rbf, try in https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/pushtx/ (https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/pushtx/)

You can also ask us to try to broadcast it by pasting the signed raw transaction inside [code][/code] tags.
Since you already shared the original transaction, sharing the replacement wont pose additional privacy issue.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 29, 2023, 11:27:06 AM
Now try to broadcast that copied raw txn to a blockexplorer/node that supports full-rbf, try in https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/pushtx/ (https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/pushtx/)
It's great that blockcypher's node supports full RBF. I didn't know that.


SmartGold01, according to mempool.space, the purging fee rate is now around 5.9 sat/vbyte.
If you check your wallet now, there's a big probability that your transaction status has changed to "Local". If that's the case, you can simply remove it and broadcast a new transaction in electrum itself and without any need to use blockcypher service.
If your transaction status hasn't changed to "local", try connecting to different servers.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 29, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
@nc50lc  hosseinimr93 just hold on, I have to take it bit by bit as I am not that good with the Electrum wallet..
please permit me if I can share some screenshot to show you two how the process is going on over here...
Now I have to load back my Electrum wallet

Edit..
...
I just signed in to my Electrum wallet and still remain unconfirmed and is not in local..
https://i.ibb.co/fv75vM5/elt.png (https://ibb.co/k1Ff1Kf)


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 29, 2023, 12:35:33 PM
I just signed in to my Electrum wallet and still remain unconfirmed and is not in local..
Did you try connecting to other servers?
Click on the green circle at bottom right corner of the window. Right click on one of the servers under "Connected nodes" and then select "Use as server".

If the transaction status has changed to "Local", right click on it and select "Remove".
If the transaction status is still "Unconfirmed", click on the green circle and try another server this time.

Look at the following image. I created a watch-only wallet using your address on electrum.
As you can see, that unconfirmed transaction is not shown and the balance is 0.002125 BTC.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/29/MbOA8.jpeg


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 29, 2023, 12:46:41 PM
I just signed in to my Electrum wallet and still remain unconfirmed and is not in local..
Did you try connecting to other servers?
Click on the green circle at bottom right corner of the window. Right click on one of the servers under "Connected nodes" and then select "Use as server".

If the transaction status has changed to "Local", right click on it and select "Remove".
If the transaction status is still "Unconfirmed", click on the green circle and try another server this time.

Look at the following image. I created a watch-only wallet using your address on electrum.
As you can see, that unconfirmed transaction is not shown and the balance is 0.002125 BTC.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/29/MbOA8.jpeg

https://i.ibb.co/3N0cQtq/local.png (https://ibb.co/r6ZHNnS)

I just did and it changes to Local as you said, I connected another server...

Edit..

Good!
My balance is back.. So what next sir?
I removed the Local and my balance came back

https://i.ibb.co/hFC9ygG/ba.png (https://ibb.co/SwJyP6k)


@hosseinimr93 are you there please reply what next to do now..


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 29, 2023, 12:58:32 PM
My balance is back.. So what next sir?
Right click on the local transaction and select "Remove".
After that, go to "Send" tab and make your transaction again. With more fee this time.

For making the new transaction, enter the address you want to send the fund to in "Pay to" field.
Click on "Max" or enter the value you want to send in "Amount" field.
Click on "Pay".

In the new window, click on "Setting" button at top right corner of the window and check "Edit fees manually".

Enter the fee rate you want to use for your transaction in "Mining fee" field.
Set it to at least 8 sat/vbyte. If you want your transaction to be confirmed fast, set it to around 13 sat/vbyte.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 29, 2023, 01:05:03 PM
My balance is back.. So what next sir?
Right click on the local transaction and select "Remove".
After that, go to "Send" tab and make your transaction again. With more fee this time.

For making the new transaction, enter the address you want to send the fund to in "Pay to" field.
Click on "Max" or enter the value you want to send in "Amount" field.
Click on "Pay".

In the new window, click on "Setting" button at top right corner of the window and check "Edit fees manually".

Enter the fee rate you want to use for your transaction in "Mining fee" field.
Set it to at least 8 sat/vbyte. If you want your transaction to be confirmed fast, set it to around 13 sat/vbyte.

https://i.ibb.co/XbvMmLz/fee.png (https://ibb.co/hytwp9K)

Okay I have chosen 20 sat/byte for faster confirmation..
I will send you pm, please don't be mad at me if you receive a message from me.


Deposit confirmed on my binance..

Please drop here or pm me your trc20 address I will reward you with $7 usdt for your time and for teaching me something I have never thought of my life


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 29, 2023, 01:31:21 PM
Please drop here or pm me your trc20 address I will reward you with $7 usdt for your time and for teaching me something I have never thought of my life
No need. Thank you. It was my pleasure to help you.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 29, 2023, 01:36:57 PM
Please drop here or pm me your trc20 address I will reward you with $7 usdt for your time and for teaching me something I have never thought of my life
No need. Thank you. It was my pleasure to help you.

Oh my God!
I am being heart broken for not rewarding you for your time and energy, basically I have lost hope of this fund I never knew it would get back to me and, you help me to restore back my funds and you declined my little reward to you sir ?

Well, I really appreciate your help, actually don't have smerits to give to you I would added to you without asking for approval.
Thank you so much ❤️


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 29, 2023, 02:00:40 PM
I am being heart broken for not rewarding you for your time and energy, basically I have lost hope of this fund I never knew it would get back to me and, you help me to restore back my funds and you declined my little reward to you sir ?
SmartGold01, you never lose your bitcoin just because a transaction stays unconfirmed.
An unconfirmed transaction isn't at the blockchain at all. Nodes have unconfirmed transactions in their mempool and sooner or later those unconfirmed transactions will leave their mempool.
Unconfirmed transactions will be confirmed and added to the blockchain or will be dropped from the mempool due to the node reaching its maximum mempool size or staying unconfirmed for a certain period of time.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 29, 2023, 10:01:04 PM
I am being heart broken for not rewarding you for your time and energy, basically I have lost hope of this fund I never knew it would get back to me and, you help me to restore back my funds and you declined my little reward to you sir ?
SmartGold01, you never lose your bitcoin just because a transaction stays unconfirmed.
An unconfirmed transaction isn't at the blockchain at all. Nodes have unconfirmed transactions in their mempool and sooner or later those unconfirmed transactions will leave their mempool.
Unconfirmed transactions will be confirmed and added to the blockchain or will be dropped from the mempool due to the node reaching its maximum mempool size or staying unconfirmed for a certain period of time.

I think since on 14 August I have been struggling to have my funds confirmed and delivered to my Binance account but it couldn't delivered for the past 2 weeks plus even for the transaction to reversed back to my wallet was impossible and all this made me lose hope, although I knew that it may took weeks just as few people already said to allow it spent weeks then I might likely get funds reversed. But yesterday made it 14 days plus I sent out coin but luckily today I just have to settle my mind and follow your instructions and today my coin is delivered to me..


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: hosseinimr93 on August 29, 2023, 10:17:05 PM
I think since on 14 August I have been struggling to have my funds confirmed and delivered to my Binance account but it couldn't delivered for the past 2 weeks plus even for the transaction to reversed back to my wallet was impossible
By default, transactions are dropped from the mempool, if they stay unconfirmed for 14 days.
Nodes can have a different setting, but most of them use the default setting and your transaction should have been dropped from the mempool of most nodes after 14 days.
Nodes still had your transaction in their mempool even after 14 days, because your transaction was rebroadcasted on August 27.


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: nc50lc on August 30, 2023, 02:49:07 AM
Now try to broadcast that copied raw txn to a blockexplorer/node that supports full-rbf, try in https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/pushtx/ (https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/pushtx/)
It's great that blockcypher's node supports full RBF. I didn't know that.
I'm not actually sure that they support it,
it's just that I observed that unconfirmed replacement transactions of non-rbf flagged transactions are available in their blockexplorer while it's not available on others.
That's why it's the only blockexplorer I suggested OP to use in that specific instructions; if he needed to use full-rbf and shared the raw txn, I could've broadcasted it to my node as well.

@nc50lc  hosseinimr93 just hold on, I have to take it bit by bit as I am not that good with the Electrum wallet..
I see, that's the reason why you missed my reply in the first page regarding that exact procedure.
link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463909.msg62723483#msg62723483 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463909.msg62723483#msg62723483)


Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: SmartGold01 on August 30, 2023, 09:56:59 AM
snip
I see, that's the reason why you missed my reply in the first page regarding that exact procedure.
link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463909.msg62723483#msg62723483 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463909.msg62723483#msg62723483)

Do I say was much in hurry to get back my fund and wasn't that settled in my mind to digest everything you had said earlier, I think it was from yesterday I came to my normal senses to be able to follow instruction bit by bit ( have been go through alot all these while). Anyway, I just clicked and I noticed it was same thing that he explained you did explained there as well, but I will say he threw more light to me so it was that easy to follow his guideline till the end.

Nevertheless, I got my fund confirmed so easily and I have also added this lesson to my wisdom bank and if there will be any future case I can easily handle it, even as that I will keep exploring Electrum wallet to get more familiarized with it.

Thank you all and to everyone who contributed to get my fund confirmed quickly.




Title: Re: Unconfirmed transaction
Post by: Cricktor on September 03, 2023, 10:17:40 PM
If you want to become more familiar with Electrum and try different procedures, I suggest to use Testnet bitcoins. On Linux you can invoke Electrum in Testnet mode with the command line option "--testnet" (should be similar for Windows or MacOS).

You can get free Testnet bitcoins at https://testnet.coinfaucet.eu (https://testnet.coinfaucet.eu) easily and enough to play around with. It's a kind and good move to return Testnet bitcoins to the faucet after you don't need them anymore.