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I read this in one of the campaign threads and am curious to know how to check post bursting through this site ?

I guess you can use the time difference between when the posts were made.

With ninjastic.space you can easily see when users made all their posts within a selected time so if a campaign manager checks and see that an user just comes to the forum drops all his/her post for that day between 30 minutes they spent on the forum and if they continue with it they’ll mostly be removed from the campaign because posts like that don’t actually give the exposure that the campaign manager is looking for the company that’s been promoted.

Although, I haven’t checked for burst posting before so I’m not sure if it actually shows an indicator for a bursted post so the answer I gave is the way I’d check if there’s no automatic indicator.

On https://ninjastic.space/, you will see the menu at the left upper side. If you click on the menu, you can enter the username of the person after you click on username.

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If you enter the username and you search for it, you will see the boards the person is posting more. You can click on the boards and you will see the posts easily and the time each post are made.

You don't actually need to use ninjastic for burst posting, but it becomes easier there. And in my thought, you are confused about the rule that icopress has wrote. If you wanted to avoid that, then don't make burst posts --> which means, don't make 30 or 50 posts in just 1 hour. Because that is almost impossible and the value it contains will also be lower.

So the best practise is to, add value in your posts because adding value will ultimately avoid you from burst posting. You should check this thread out for the Definition of Burstposting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190068.0) To be honest, I didn't consider a valuable post which is made just after another and another. But I consider a post burst posting when there is no value in it.

Many might not agree with me but coming back to your query. You just have to avoid making post after one another. But still, you should ask the manager because they might have different definition of burst posting.

I believe that the warning is for those users who try to create so many posts in short duration in order to complete their minimum posts. The users who do post bursting are those users who don't give proper time for writing of the posts and they just want to complete their minimum number of posts in order to get their weekly signature payments. Let's say a user makes so many posts of 250 characters in a short span of time in order to meet the requirements of a campaign but none of those posts are constructive and are made in a way to fulfil their campaign requirements only.


I think it is not possible for someone to make 30 or 50 posts in an hour. A better example of post bursting should be around 10-15 posts per hour which is also going to be a hard thing for many users. I believe that Icopress warns those users who just want to complete their 25 posts limit as soon as possible and some users may post more than 10 to 15 posts per hour in order to complete their weekly minimum posts for a campaign.

I believe that Icopress can explain that better than us and if he takes part in this thread then that will be very helpful for @OP and all those members who don't really understand that warning fully.

I don’t have the time to check my posts out.

But I am a posting mother fucker.

I do 10 to 20 posts a day for 11 years and 2 months.

I recently needed a bit more income for my projects and took on a signature.

So for last 3 weeks I did very close to 400 posts. which is way more than i needed to get max payout .

Only 120 posts were needed.

I know I am a bit unusual as I am the post leader on the site. But I wonder if it would look like I am burst posting.

I just finish eating breakfast 🍳 and plan to be on this site reading and posting for about an hour.

I would be interested if it would look like I burst posted.

Ninjastic displays all your post archives on one page (plus some custom filtration settings), that's all I know to draw conclusion about burstposting behavior faster. I think campaign manager has more variety to detect your post habits with this tool.

The main characteristic of bursting or bursposting is the distance between one post and another, but the distance between posts is not always the benchmark for why you are said to be breaking this rule. The quality of posts may be something that differentiates you and other people even though they post at the same distance.

The way it works is quite easy, you just need to enter the username of the user you want to track and track their posts. But it is the manager's responsibility to decide whether participants violate or not.

I don't think that particular statement needs any extra explanation, it is pretty straightforward and easy to understand for the campaign participants that it may concern, just don't make too many posts in such a short space of time, it then becomes worse when the posts are of very low quality. CM's would definitely prefer posts that are spread out, but they wouldn't mind users making many high quality posts in quick succession, especially when the participant makes posts above the number the campaign pays for.

I fully agree with this. If someone writes in short intervals of time, you have to look at the quality of what they write to judge whether it is authentic burst posting or not. Obviously if they are too short, like on average 3 minutes for days and weeks, it's going to be burst posting.

Other things to look at would be the lenght and the page they are posting on. I've sometimes posted in short time intervals but because the threads I've replied to weren't even more than a page long, so if I post in a thread that only has the OP, another that has the OP and two short replies and a third similar thread I'm likely to use less time than if I want to reply on page 3.

It can also happen that if someone in a short interval writes relatively long posts, surely they have been looking at the forum when they were not logged in and already had a good part of the answer in their head. But this usually happens on an ad hoc basis. Nobody regularly writes long posts in short intervals of time and with quality.

By they way, did I actually burst post between here  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468569.msg62920514#msg62920514)and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117342.msg62920516#msg62920516)?


I am sure you campaign manager (which is my manager too but on another campaign) is very happy about that.

You should check the time difference between the posts. Let's say I posted here in the forum where the time is e.g. 2:30:20 and then I posted again at 2:35:15 and again at 2:40:30. As you can see, there are 3 posts within 10 mins which it is already considered as posts bursting. You will need to get the user's user ID to check it on ninjastic.space. You may also check the user's post history if you don't want to use the site yet or you may use both at the same time.

Some people do drop more than 30 post in less than 2-3 hrs. And I ask how do they do that, is it that they use some kind of robot to accomplish that?  Too fast for my liking.

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Well from Icopress rules you don't have to do things outside the box and when you're in a campaign and when you haven't joined any campaign are two different things all together in terms posting. The way and manner you post when you haven't joined any campaign would be different from when you're in a campaign.
Because you post without following any rules when you haven't joined a campaign but when you're in a campaign you must follow the rules of the campaign manager, where and where not to post, so you just have to keep track of those rules of any campaign.

Burst posting is looked at on a case by case basis. You can tell who is posting strictly to get paid and who is posting because they are generally interested in the topic being discussed. Usually burst posters are also doing their posts in 1-2 days and stopping as well for the week.

You obviously wouldn't fit into the category as a burst posting spammer.

Why not - you just need to prepare 50 posts in notepad and post them every 15 seconds, 30 seconds, or 1 minute between posts on the thread you want. If you really do it - then I'm sure you can probably post 50 posts in less than 1 hour. Such posting patterns may be rare - but burst posts are always possible among spammers who don't care about quality.

Burst posts are about the interval between posts - but if all the posts created are quality posts, then I don't agree that they are considered burst posts. I don't focus on the interval between posts as long as the posts are meaningful - so I tend not to check who is doing it other than reporting low quality posts if I find them.

Hmm, are you serious like its just 2-3 hours, I used to regularly read and post and take around 2-3 days to make 30 posts.. Yes there's a condition if they have any discussion locally this target can be achieved much faster but still, it will take 2 days at least. A maximum in that conversation as well you are going to be able to cover a maximum of 10 posts.

In my view, Brust Posting is a kind of activity that can be directly defined as a person trying to cover 5 to 6 posts for his signature Quota in a short time period of 1 hour or a maximum of 1 hour and 20 minutes. A natural poster at least spends around 2 hours a day on the forum this is what I think if he does track his mentions and posts regularly. A person who spends around 1 hour filling out the post quota, for the signature campaign is absolutely abusing the campaign rules.

The time between the posts is not the only thing that defines post bursting it can also be how much the posts are spaced out. Some users don't log in for 5 days then come online 2 days to the end of the week and make 25 posts or whatever amount is the maximum in their campaign.

Ninjastic space helps to check all these, but it can be seen easily on the latest post page.

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The most important factor for me should be the quality of the posts being made and how habitually the user burst posts.

Well, that's a valid concern but I don't think that anyone will prepare 50 posts in notepad and post them every 15 seconds as that really don't make sense at all in real life but yes as a theory you're right it can happen. The participants in signature campaigns will never do something like that and that's somewhat impossible for them. Most of the participants spend time on forum rather than giving time to notepad in order to write those posts altogether.

Yeah I am thinking that this does not count in my case. As I may do that 4 times in a day and 35 days in a row.

Also my campaign needs 40 posts a week for max payment and last week I posted 122 times.

I did not think it was manual and that it tries to auto detect the posts.

Now I see it may just show 3 in ten and then the campaign guy looks at it. Makes a decision if there are enough good posts made.

Most of campaign managers arent really that too much in concern about those post burst unless if they are really that trying to cope up with signature count or requirement on last day
and this is why they do set out a specific number of days which you would really be needing to post or having that maximum post per day to avoid such coping behavior on which
it would really be that resulting into post burst specially if you are really that a short time.

There are also managers who dont really care that much as long those post are really that relevant or something that constructive. Totally situational and in speaking about
on OP question on how to check it out, then it wont really be that necessary on making use of ninjastic.space because you could directly check out users profile
and see for yourself on how much time gaps that they are really that doing in every post they made.It is really just that impossible that you could
be only be able to make constructive post on having 3-5 minutes timeframe difference on which i have some seen users to be like this.

LOL - of course, I wouldn't say it's a make sense to do but that's something that occurred to me about how someone would make burst post up to 50 post in 1 hour.

I would actually say it's crazy if someone ever did it - but it's always possible to create a natural posting rate of 50 - 100 posts per week if they spend more time on forum than in the real world.

Yeah, I agree with you that it's very possible to create 50-100 posts per week and many people make above 50 posts per week. Actually, I'm among those members who spend a lot of time on this forum and I make 40-80 posts per week myself.

Sometimes we get involved in some threads so deeply that it will be a natural flow to make that number of posts per week. I have seen members who make more than 70 posts per week and all of those are reputable members of the forum and their posts are highly constructive.

It is possible for a person to make 100 posts per hour (if there are no limits, never tried, so don't know if there is any limit in per hour) by making a single line or one word or spamming posts, but you said it is hard to make 10 posts in 1 hour, and you are 100% right, because I made around 10 posts daily, from some time, and I know how hard it is to make 10 posts in only one hour, but if you are active in the local board then you might make it happen but there you can not post consecutively, thus it becomes hard. But if one makes up his mind to make 10 posts in 1 hour then he can easily make it.

And you are right about completing the limit, if one is found doing that, then he or she will be given a comment on the spreadsheet and that will be a warning as well. If that person does not stop doing that then will be removed quickly for not following the rules.

Lol, I actually laughed when I first read the top part of your comment and then when I read below I saw you now made it clear to me because I was thinking you are actually saying that's possible for someone to make 100 reason post in an hour but then you clearify that even a one line posts can be counted by the system as a post which is true but if it's the standard require or something good readers can relate to then achieving a feat of 100 post in an hour is actually quite impossible not even the posters can achieve this.

First of all the participants who gets accepted in a campaign never make one line, one word, or spamming posts, because if they do something like that then they won't be accepted in signature campaigns anymore. If I'm not wrong then most of the signature campaigns require constructive posts and a single line or single word post isn't constructive at all.

I'm actually a high poster type of a person and I can say that it's really hard or impossible to make 10 constructive posts within an hour. I make around 5-15 posts a day, sometimes more sometimes less, and I can surely say that making that many posts require a lot of time on forum.

I love to give proper time to forum and also proper time to make those posts. Even in local boards it would be difficult to make 10 constructive posts within an hour. If the posts have anything valuable then such type of posts require some time to make. Even if someone makes his/her mind to make 10 posts per hour then still I believe that will be  really hard or somewhat impossible thing to achieve.

I can do three to five good posts in an hour twice a day but and this is a big but you need to find posts to reply to with a good viable reply. Sometimes you can’t find a topic on the front page of a section say meta economics and bitcoin technical help.

You can simply go to a user profile, click on "Show the last posts by this person" and you can see his post history with all latest posts, each page includes 20 posts.

Depends on your or a manager's criteria on what is burst posting, like how many seconds between two consecutive posts, you can see he is a burst poster or not a burst poster.

Ninjastic.space can help but it is a third party site and can stop working anytime so I am keen on what is available at Bitcointalk.

Besides Ninjastic.space, you can use loyce.club too.
Active users, top posters and most active topics in the past 1h, 24h and 7d (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178726.0)

Sometimes you can be surprised at how dedicated users dedicate themselves to the forum, and in addition, you can easily determine how quickly these posts were written. I like to look at the twenty-four-hour period. But are there record-holders who manage to send many posts within an hour? A large number will raise suspicion, whether the person writes himself or simply posts ready-made texts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3336840;sa=showPosts
For example, this user manages to send his messages every three minutes, in the time period of September 30 :)
Please note that he most often cites posts whose writing time is different from his posting time.

Wow, someone needs to be a Robot to do 50 posts in an hour :D Human does not have such capability.

I think burst posting should be seen as a pattern for a certain user and it varies from person to person. For example, if a person just comes online and posts 3 or 4 posts in half an hour and then he only makes the minimum posts required for the signature campaign and also if this quick posting happens usually near the deadline of the signature campaign, then we can say that he is doing burst posting but if someone comes up with the below definition then he does not fall into this class, rather I would call him the forum lover who gives all his time to this forum  :)

You're right three to five good posts aren't difficult especially for someone like you who makes a lot of posts on daily basis. It sometimes depends on the replies that we make because in some topics we get involved so deeply that making out 3-5 posts in a single thread isn't hard for us while other times we may make a single reply in a thread and no more than that.

I mostly post in Meta, Bitcoin discussion, and Gambling boards but sometimes I try to post in other boards as well. I believe that it depends on our moods and our understanding about a topic. If we are well aware of a topic then the replies come naturally and we don't really need to put much effort while sometimes we'll have to give time to research in order to make a proper reply.

I believe that even top posters won't be able to make 10 constructive posts in an hour because we as humans need to have some rest after making some posts. I usually make 1-2 posts or sometimes more at a time and then I take rest and do other activities of my life before making any further posts.

Ten good posts in an hour would be very hard to do even for me.

Now I could write 25 good posts onto notes in a day and drop them all in an hour and it would really look like burst posting since no one would see that I spent 2 hours writing the posts.

I post in James Joyce style often so it does allow for water posting.

 

I'm waiting for the reply of icopress. I'm curious as to how he uses ninjastic space to check for burst posting. Maybe it could help other managers as well if they haven't already talked about it or something. The posts that some of the members made are obviously helpful for determining what is burst posting etc but it can be different for icopress.

Now I just did 5 posts in 14 minutes. They all add to the threads I posted on.

5 posts 14 minutes sound wrong maybe burst posting.

But I will do a dozen more today which is 17 posts. I need 6 to get full pay. so I am 11 over and not concerned about bursting posts.

Yeah, you have already been explained how to use ninja stic to check post bursting, but a good example of what I understand as post bursting on the forum is if you are in a campaign and you only use 1, 2, or 3 days to make the maximum of 25–50 posts for that weekly tenor, while you are expected to split the 25–50 posts into at least 5 or 6 days.

If you are expected to do a maximum of 25 or 50 posts in a week (7 days), you can do 5 or 10 posts each day for that one week, but if you only use two days to make the 25 posts, then it will be considered post-bursting.

I sometimes do about three or four posts per hour, which means I could end up doing about 20 posts for that day.

Post bursting is not just about how many posts you do within a particular time in the forum. If the posts are made consecutively or within a short time period as you said; to my understanding, it can only be labeled post bursting if they contain very low quality and of course, every manager will refer to such posts as low quality and are basically done to reach the minimum quota for payout of the week.


You have a point in what you refer to as post bursting in your opinion but I don’t seem to be convinced with it. But looking at it from this angle again, If a user used 1,2,3 days to reach the minimum quota of the post for the week and stop posting for the remaining days for reasons known to him/her, that shouldn’t be seen as post bursting especially if the posts are of high quality. I think post bursting is commenting on a thread that has no discussion going on or abandoned for a very long time in order to add your input which might have already been discussed severally in that topic, that’s what I refer to as post bursting in my understanding.

Why do we put restrictions on people so they do not do many posts in quick time, when there are not any restrictions from the forum end ???

Posting should be done at whatever pace anyone likes. Also, there are some shitposting being done keeping certain time intervals between them but this does not make them constructive.

So my last cycle for payment ended sept 27. New cycle began sept 28. That would be 28, 29, 30, 1
four days so far> I have done 53 posts my max is 40 and I think of the 53 done 42 are in good sections. So I could stop for the week and argue I am done. Of course my manager could say you stopped and did not post the last three days.

 As I said I am not the right example cause everyone knows I will get back to posting next week and that I post way over what is needed. But I can see if a lessor guy did 40 posts in 2 days and did not post for the next 5 that a manager would be annoyed even if the 40 posts were good.

As for post shit posts in dead threads yeh that is an easy peasy violation of burst posting. It would be interesting for a manager to talk about the guy that did good posts and enough, but in only days 1 and 2 for a week time slot.

I guess, post bursting implies not only a short period of time between posts, but also a short length of the post itself. After all, a person does not have time to write something substantial and extensive in 3-5 minutes, so that it is relevant to the discussion. If he or she writes a lot of posts in such a short time, then usually, it is a one-sentence answer. This can be confirmed by another rule that icopress introduced.

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I am not sure he will open his cards. Especially giving that he reserves the right to interpret his rules as he deems necessary.

The length of a post does not determine the quality it adds to the discussion.
Many users wrongly relate post length to quality and this causes then to throw in a lot of fillers to make the reply look muh longer than it's necessary.

Managers add that character limit and set it very low as a baseline precaution, so users don't just write 'good observation there' and expect it to be counted.

Post bursting has always meant posting successively without a cool off/ timeout especially if it is 3 or more most all down under 5-10 minutes especially if it's meant to reach weekly quota of sig requirement & also falls out of your usual posting style!
Btw, anything to do with the length of a post usually implies quality subject to a campaign manager's interpretation especially if it's in line with sigs.

Eagerly waiting for this one too, but probably CM looks for a spike in the last 7 days of the graph and analyses these posts for any possible burst posting ::)

I don't think they gave any restrictions on how or the time to post, is just that whenever someone makes a post like making up to 10 posts in an hour, 7 of those post ain't constructive is like they just did it to beat the time and the remaining 3 was careful arranged to meet up standard post, so these rushing to make up to 10 post in an hour is sometimes out desperation and it makes all 10 post useless and they can be #shittypost. And is not like a restriction was placed to drop many post in a quick time like you said.



Posting should be done at anytime, yes... But must it must pass a meaningful message across. Ok, What if the post doesn't send any meaningful message and it is created out of hurry? Can you applaud that post? I don't think so.
That's why they're trying as much as they can to keep this Forum in check, so that no one can just come and start dropping post that doesn't make any sense because you saw other users dropping theirs and you feel you can do it any how, the Forum won't be in other if the whole Forum has unconstructive post.

I guess it would depend on the strict definition of "constructive".  If that doesn't necessarily include post length, 10 posts in an hour is not only possible but I think I've done it before and probably others have as well.  Sometimes there are discussions where there's actually back-and-forth conversations between members (which unfortunately isn't the case most of the time), and if that back-and-forth is fast enough, it'd be easy to make 10 or more in an hour.

I don't think rest has anything to do with posting.  It's more a matter of finding threads that catch your interest and in which you can write something halfway decent instead of just writing a very generic, vague, and poorly-constructed series of words--and that's generally what burst posters do.  I've seen them in action plenty of times, and I can say with certainty that there's only one exception that I've ever seen to that rule but I'll be damned if I can remember that member's name.  He got called out for it, but the stuff he was writing was by no means crappy.

If you post one post and then post another if there is not much time gap between the two posts, then that post is considered as a burst post. If you are involved in a campaign and are asked to refrain from posting bursts, you must post with a gap. But if you do 15 to 20 posts every day then you won't get much time gap after each post, because if you don't get enough time gap due to excess posting then that post will not be considered as bust post. If you post four or five per day, make sure to take a break after each post.

I have actually came across some profile that are doing post bursting which are not encouraging and how to know bursting posts are just click on the users profile check the time between when he creates or comments on a topic. Usually there are some discussion you would engaged yourself with like an active thread or topic where questions are often coming you can be replying to them but doesn't subjected the campaign you are promoting.

10 to 20 minutes is enough time to post between different sections but it should be in line with what the topic is saying most people often reply to a thread based on the title without reading the content and when replying you can be partially off the track of what they are saying in the whole thread by so doing to me I can consider it as post bursting I don't know of other members.

For a campaign participant's it doesn't mean you must complete all your post within a week but the must important thing is to meet your minimal requirements, than to involve yourself with post bursting.

I don't think I've ever gotten that far, what I do usually write is about 5 posts in that time, which is when I usually connect during the week, sometimes it's in 50 minutes or an hour and 20 minutes. Or it's 4 posts instead of 5 but writing about a post every 12 minutes on average in an hour I do.

I was once accused of being a burst poster, which I didn't agree with, because to begin with I wouldn't be, but if you look at where I write (usually in the first or second page) and the quality of what I write, which without being top is not bad, and it was recognized by those who said that I was burst posting, it is clear that I am not. And precisely my manager, who is the one quoted in the OP, doesn't think I am either.

Burst posting is not always bad and those posts are not only bad in quality.

If they are good posts, who care about burst posting?

The issue with burst posting is with it posters usually make shit posts. So if burst posts are shit posts, it will become problems for campaign managers because they will waste money of business companies by paying to shit posts and shit posters. They as campaign managers are against low quality posts, not only burst posts.

Posts are make after few hours don't mean they are quality posts and can be shit posts too.

[EXPERIMENT] Testing the Limits of Shitposting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133932.0). It's an interesting test.

If you're doing that and writing at the level that you are (which indeed is above average for bitcointalk IMO) you're definitely not burst posting.  The way I see it, burst posting is like hardcore pornography.  It's hard to define it precisely, but you know it when you see it (that's paraphrasing SCOTUS Justice Potter Stewart, FYI).  When I look at my feed of unread threads and I look down the list at the most recent poster and see that the same member's name appears in most of the first ten threads and maybe even more, when I look to see what that member wrote it's a few lines of nonconstructive, generic nonsense.  Every single time--and I've seen that happen more times than I'd care to.

You got accused of burst posting?  That's just plain stupid, and your accusers ought to flog themselves in shame.

I agree with you that with back and forth conversations between two members it's actually possible to make more than 10 posts in an hour, but during those conversations we really don't care much about the constructiveness of the posts but focus mainly on continuing the conversation so that it can be helpful for both parties and also for the other members who later read that conversation.


Rest has nothing to do with the posting in general but as humans we have limited energy and sometimes we really have to take rests in order get enough energy to think better. The interest in a thread is the most important thing without it we really can't write anything helpful at all. Sometimes we have interest in threads and we are also knowledgeable enough to write something in that thread but due to lack of energy we may not be able to make very helpful posts.

This the most important part of writing a good reply post to a thread. Find something you understand and can relate to. I am in posting and reading mode at the moment. I read 1 or 2 pages of a section. I look at 1 or 2 pages of my last posts. I look at the last 20 posts I merited and I look at the last 20 posts I got.

I read 3 pages of
meta
I read bitcoin discussion
I read economics
I read mining

And this can all take 2 hours time I may only find 2 threads to reply to.  Or six or 7.

This is a routine I do 2 times every day so say 4 hours a day on the forum is very typical time frame for me.

But mining and gear sales is my business. They got slow and I opened a signature I do not do that very often.

In order to do a good job I spend more time looking for good threads .

If you can type faster then 50 wpm and I know people well over 100 wpm then you need to register your hands as weapons, you might be posting past the speed limit and people don't appreciate.   I'm definitely on your side philipma1957 as I could do 50wpm before I was 10, it was required for early computer use, coding so I self learnt.
   Now I have to be aware not everyone can type that fast and it could be seen as a negative, I definitely try to go back and check I wrote in a readable way hopefully but the onus is on the writer pretty much.   I have 17k posts elsewhere believe it or not so I actually post far less then I could most of the time, I got sympathy for anyone who can type very fast anyhow :)


I also noticed some terms in a sig campaign, the moderator or operator of that campaign Royce was offering  a bounty on AI posts. :

I thought it was worth mentioning and seems very generous to me but please do not just spam him (that'd be ironic :P), be very certain before accusing anyone on this forum and have defined proof to give.

On days I am very relaxed I can do 55-60 but not as easy as it was when I was keypunching data entry cards in the navy. When we were in port and you finished the cards you could knock off work.
So the three off us entering would race.  We all could do low 60 speed with no errors.

Fuck that is almost fifty years ago 1978-2023 45 to be exact.

As for burst 💥 posting I think this is my 60th post in three days. since last payout. I only need 40,but in the next few,days I will post at least 50 more. Say 110 for the week.