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I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?  ;D  

These Bitcoin naysayers are still around, we sometimes see them create threads about Bitcoin doom whenever the bear market sentiments and news is on high.  In fact, I do not think that they will be gone.  They are always lurking around waiting for the chance to say their Bitcoin doom insights.

I do not think that their thought matters since they do not affect my belief in Bitcoin.  I think only those who have shallow knowledge about Bitcoin can be swayed by their Bitcoin naysayers threads.

Bitcoin have a way of humbling critics, that I know for certain. Before there was a mindset in my neighbourhood that Bitcoin was scam... those of us into Bitcoin then were seen as unwise. Funny enough, some of those critics are hodlers today. Indeed Bitcoin bring to reality the popular saying that "if you can't beat them, join them".

Peradventure the next bull run turns out massive with Bitcoin hitting over $100k, those of them still remaining, if any, will have no choice than to join.

Yeah, probably in the early years of bitcoin, because it's obvious, we really don't know what's going to happen next so there are a lot of members who created FUD, anti-bitcoin sentiments to the point that you know that they are trolling.


There are still few account left if I'm not mistaken, forget their names though. But I do believed that they are still around. Maybe not giving the time as they used to be because they know that it's no longer effective as those years when bitcoin was just in it's infancy.

Majority of those naysayers gave up actually. It used to be worse some days ago but when you're constantly talking bad about something but instead of the subject matter to collapse or get destroyed, it kept going and waxxed stronger, you'd give up because it's obviously a lost game. I could remember anytime Bitcoin is in the news for the wrong reasons, they'd be the first to show up on the forum to talk bad about Bitcoin  ;D

I think they realized this earlier and gave up. I won't be surprised if some of them are now Bitcoin maxis as the saying goes – "if you can't beat them, you join them."

They probably invested in some altcoins after buying into the 'flippening' hype and got rekt. I'm not familiar with the users you mention but that kind of obsessive negativity towards Bitcoin is typical of many shitcoiners. These people like Peter Schiff hate Bitcoin so much that they make themselves look like clowns by making the most outlandish claims about Bitcoin going to zero whenever there is a big dip only to be proven wrong soon after when there is a major rally.

They are all on Reddit

I remember a member but not the name, he had an avatar of a bald guy and he always used to say bitcoin is dead or is dying, they are either specialists in FUD area of expertise or simply are trolls.
At one point in time during the ancient fork meltdown era, China had employed several Fudsters  to spread fear in order to dump the price, and it actually worked for a while but later the community started to realize what is going on behind the curtain and who was really profiting off the fake news and FUD.
But now it seems they are unable to find any support around here and just left to go other places. Of course back in the days where people bought into their bs, bitcoin price was less than $200.😅

Was going to say this but you beat me to it, lots of people there are still talking shit about crypto in general so no surprise that people that spread FUD are gathering there. I don't get the appeal of Reddit though, it feels as if you can't really voice a different opinion there and the threads are difficult to navigate. Now that I've read this post, there's not a lot of people in the forum that's creating an account just to spread FUD in these past few months, either they got tired or they're trying to find a new place to spout their nonsensical FUDs, you know where their claims aren't challenged.

As popular as it is, Bitcoin will always have fervent supporters as well as detractors and this is quite normal under a still democratic setting and where people got the choice to choose something or not to. However, as of now, it seems to me that naysayers are having some beauty rest maybe conserving their energy for the next round when BTC will be encountering major setbacks like when there is a major market downtrend. Anyway, these negative people inherently has nothing to do whether BTC will be here to stay or not.

There was this one crackhead that posted quite frequently and that Pooya87 and TMAN sparred with a lot back then lololol. Not gonna lie — I miss the dude quite a bit. A lot of times he was saying some very outlandish stuff that end up being actually hilarious. I actually preferred reading those posts than those "how to earn merit" posts.

At least one username sticks in my mind. The avatar of another username which I already forgot is still in my memory also.

Sometimes, their presence is needed especially when everybody is unreasonably bullish. For as long as they are also bringing with them some logic, or at least some sense, in their arguments, it doesn't hurt the forum to have them in certain discussions. It provides some good balance, although some of them are probably not really naysayers like Proudhon. He/she certainly owns Bitcoin and is pro-Bitcoin. He/she's just chilling.

They're probably a lot better than many influencers who are always mega-bullish in their TAs as if Bitcoin will just take a straight line to the moon. Many newbies must have been carried away by how they present chart patterns as if something big is always about to come. These FOMO-inciters are probably more damaging to Bitcoin's reputation than some naysayers.

Even though Bitcointalk is still an SEO powerhouse, its visitorship pales in comparison to what it was in 2017-2020, which is probably why we don't see so many prominent, vocal critics here anymore... They've moved on in search of a bigger audience.

Ex-forum member and prominent Bitcoin hater Jorge Stolfi for instance, has amassed quite a twitter following, with 11.4k followers:

https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi

He is still hating on Bitcoin every day - for years! But he does it over there rather than here because he can have a bigger audience over there.

I remember them and several other users as well which had the same attitude, most likely they simply moved on to other websites as the community here is simply to difficult to scare away to force them to sell just because of a little FUD.

However I am not going to deny that it was entertaining to read their posts from time to time as their arguments about why bitcoin was not good made no sense at all, and I always wondered how it was possible to be so wrong when the evidence this was the case was so obvious to everyone else.

gold crazy Peter Schiff was anti crypto years ago. but even he now wants a crypto blockchain to register gold ownership..

funny part is over the years he was also doing deals to get people to sell their crypto to buy gold... in short he was buying bitcoin while getting rid of his gold ownership

in short.. he actually likes bitcoin personally but pretends to be anti-bitcoin for these reasons:
a. it hurts his gold business if people use their fiat to buy btc instead of gold
b. he doesnt want to pump btc via influencer status because it harms his personal cost of buying btc
c. his BTC is his secret untaxed 'offshore account' he doesnt want the IRS knowing about

you will see many bitcoin lovers secret pretend they dont have any or they dont like it.. but their hoard says otherwise

take elon musk.. he still owns a large hoard of bitcoin. he never outted himself as  bitcoin adorer. it was media that found his SEC filings that showed he obtained bitcoin.. so he tried to avoid or break the media pump by pretending to be a doge adorer.

its like most investments from top guys.. when they shout SELL they want others to bring the price down so the top guys can buy at discount. and when they shout BUY they want other naive traders to pump the price so they can sell.. in short top traders promote publicly the opposite to their personal preference. because the actual preference if promoted would shoot their own investment strategy in the foot due to competition

Those Bitcoin naysayers already become Bitcoin yaysayers.

People who're spreading FUDs and keep attacking Bitcoin are paid actors, they must be paid by government or banks because they feel Bitcoin will become a threat for them.

Just use our logic, if someone prefer to invest in real estate and gold, but they don't trust Bitcoin. Why they need to create a long post and making Bitcoin looks really wrong if they didn't get paid? no one will want to wasting their time and energy.

Maybe they got too tired of Bitcoin going sideways and after years of cutting their teeth on it.  ;D

Now there was this one guy who was busy telling us all how Bitcoin will not survive any of these movements and it's better to use gold. I bet that worked out well for him didn't it?  ;)

I dunno what you're talking about here unless you're referring to Tesla, who sold 75% of their BTC holdings (https://decrypt.co/120313/tesla-details-140-million-bitcoin-loss-to-sec) last October at a loss. Musk never disclosed his personal BTC holdings, but he has repeatedly said that he likes it and owns it. Its no secret.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503222294277197829


He is a doge adorer. He has a literal doge (Shiba Inu) named Floki. He's probably single-handedly done more for Dogecoin than anybody else, ever. One of the things he actually contributed was encouraging the Dogecoin devs to implement transaction fee reductions, which indeed happened in late 2021.


Musk is already the richest man in the world -- he would not waste his time in this manner. As for Schiff, could be, but without proof who cares, its just another conspiracy theory.

And ten years from now he will have made himself an even bigger fool to over 20 mill followers. I think I will go pester him a bit. with my the yankees win account.

Or now they are actually secretly holding Bitcoin because usually, the more someone doesn't like it, the more curious they are to look deeper and end up trapping themselves because of their words. Not a few people who were initially anti-Bitcoin have now changed their beliefs, it is possible that this will also happen to them out there.

Other Bitcoin opponents will surface if Bitcoin falls, but because they currently have no strong arguments to denounce, they end up drowning in a pile of old, unproven arguments. Just a simple example in the area where I live there are people who are active on social media who openly reject Bitcoin with a bunch of ridiculous statements, scams, etc. However, the more active he became on the internet and received a lot of information regarding the adoption of Bitcoin as the only digital asset that attracted the world's attention, little by little he became less active and found himself deleting his posts. What has happened? most likely he wants to get into Bitcoin but is too shy to announce it.

Yeah, I agree on proudhon, he could be a massive hodler in disguise, making fun of everyone else here. I remember the "Proudhon song" aka "Bitcoin is a bubble". That was hilarious lol. He was trolling both the naysayers and maxis with his crazy predictions.


I haven't thought about this, interesting opinion. Perhaps you're right. Overly bullish expectations can be harmful too.

I am not familiar with the usernames you mentioned above, it could be that I was not in the forum when this set of people weee antagonizing Bitcoin. I am not quite surprised that most of these bitcoin haters are no longer in the forum and they are very minimal in the whole internet. This is because bitcoin has proven that he is the indisputable king. They have killed bitcoin with their mouths for many times and bitcoin has resurrected and shamed them all.  I have only seen bitcoin SV criticizing bitcoin and promoting a fork of Bitcoin called bitcoin cash. I did not know about his account again because I have not been seeing him.

As Franky1 has said many people who publicly criticized bitcoin may be holding a lot of Bitcoin in secret, but just to deceive the agencies and other gullible people that they do not own Bitcoin.

Things have changed a lot and it would be surprising if someone said that bitcoin will die and disappear soon these days, I believe it would be mentally unstable people, not normal people. Bitcoin is gradually being accepted in most parts of the world, many governments have accepted bitcoin as a commodity and allowed people to use it. If anyone still spreading bitcoin will die or disappear soon, it will be like they are cursing their government for being stupid and without vision. But I have to admit that even during the terrible bear season of 2022, I don't see anyone talking about the death of bitcoin anymore.

It kind of reminds me a bit of r/Buttcoin (https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/), which has been around since time immemorial... They have made names for themselves by being steadfast in their wrongness. I remember I tried to use a source for a bitcoin article I was writing one time and the editor told me, no, the guy from r/Buttcoin wrote that, he's a total chode, you can't use it.

Some other prominent anti-bitcoiners that were once active on the forum:

jonoiv (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=116842)
NotLambChop (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=263109)
RawDog (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=196289) (most likely a troll account)
MemoryDealers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10310) (he started turning to the darkside in early 2016, basically by arguing that Bitcoin Classic - later BCH - was the same thing as Bitcoin)

The naysayers of Bitcoin are those who trade altcoins or shitcoins more than they do BTC, that's if they do own BTC.
BTC has proven to be a valuable asset that can be left for sometime and one would still have gains when sold off. Although the gains may not be as much as altcoins or shitcoins, it is the almost steady nature it possesses that makes it of value.

Oh yeah I remember them all (except for the RawDog guy). jonoiv was a real douchebag he appeared during dumps and mocked hodlers. Every single time. I can see his last activity on this forum was back in 2021. I guess he just accepted that Bitcoin is great and it's not going anywhere or just got tired of his own bs and people ignoring this delusional prick. ;D

the halcyon days, correct? back when Bitcoin detractors were as common online as memes. Don't you recall those names? There, my buddy, you have a point. You're taking it all the way back to the days of Roach, Proudhon, and Stolfi. They certainly had a penchant for FUD and Bitcoin drama.

But hey, where are they now? You don't see them much, do you? What's wrong here? Does it mean they've vanished, or perhaps (just possibly) you're not going to the areas they used to haunt these days? Or perhaps their quiet was caused by the skyrocketing price of Bitcoin? Their pessimism may have been disproven by their growing popularity, and they may have faded into the background. Still, the globe is enormous, and the forum is huge. You never know where their next appearance might be.

They’re still here but maybe as silent readers or observers. But I think they would come out and making noise if BTC crashes very hard like what we have experienced after reaching almost $70k, Terra Luna and FTX issue, etc.

You can’t expect everyone to appreciate Bitcoin. Like my uncle from my father’s side, he still do not want to get involved into Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies as he doesn’t believe in that. However, the good thing is that he didn’t criticize me for going into this route as he just mind his own business.

His daughter however is interested to get into Bitcoin, but her dad told her not to because of “high risk”. He was having a traditional mindset due to his position in the government. I didn’t shill them about Bitcoin lol, it’s just that they only see my activities in Facebook, etc.

I am certain that Proudhon is reading as I type. On topic no one mentions mindrust. He is kind of negative but he is active . He posted today :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176777;sa=showPosts

That's because Bitcoin is not facing any major dumps or there isn't much negative news floating around. Once any of this happens, they will come out of their den and talk BS again. They'll be saying shit like, "Told ya, now see? I was right. Bitcoin was always meant for doom. It is nothing more than just a scam" or other shit like that. They will never come out when Bitcoin is doing great, only when Bitcoin faces some problems, then they will come out like 'Good morning sunshine.'

It is hard to believe that people who are in this forum, know about Bitcoin and still they think that Bitcoin is bullshit. Get a life man. It's all right in front of you. Why is it so hard for you to understand? I don't know why people like this still exist. You are already in Bitcointalk forum yet you are against it. Doesn't make sense.

When I came first and that should be early last year, there was one naysayer in the forum which was seriously speaking against bitcoin but for some weeks later I didn't see him again and the account was not banned, the guy just disappeared. Well those guys that were speaking against bitcoin have seen the genuineness of bitcoin so they have to retrieve from their malicious, hatred way against bitcoin. And there is a saying that, if you can't beat them, you join them". Probably they have created new accounts to join the League of Bitcoin Nation. When they see that bitcoin is not going to die as they predicted, they have to join it. If they were using their naysayers accounts to make comments we would have seen them but they have giving up because they saying have not base and there fruit in them.

I think part of the problem is they also realize they are now going against big industry. At the moment there is around 400eh of gear.

That would be 4,000,000 s19 j pros

4 = 400th
40 = 4ph
400 = 40 ph
4000 = 400 ph
40000 = 4eh
400000 = 40eh
4000000 = 400eh

1 unit burns 3 kwatts an hour
4 million burn 12 million kwatts an hour
288mill kwatts a day

28800 mega watts per day is a lot of power and infrastructure . BTC may not be a ticket to the moon but it is not dropping to 0 anytime soon

I've never encountered them in the past or so far, so I don't know them at all. Maybe they are starting to get sick of visiting this forum so they are no longer visible, but it's strange why they want to enter this forum if they are really anti-Bitcoin? If we take the example of someone who hates lions, but he himself is in the lion's cage, then obviously that is very funny. But if they are all still active in creating FUD for Bitcoin, it could be that they have been using other platforms to write that useless stuff until now.

I also think so, those who are against bitcoin are still hanging around here and maybe they are disguised and so on, it could be?
But the question is whether they are really against bitcoin specifically, or they are just taking advantage of the situation. We know in the bitcoin space there are still many people who enter but they are hesitant, so it could be that the opponents are just making noise and ultimately creating panic to people who are affected.
Like for example, many governments are against bitcoin, but are we sure among them really no one has bitcoin?

A group of anti-bitcoins must exist but they don't want to talk much here because it's clear they will be scorned because here is the majority of bitcoin users, even if they have an anti-bitcoin discussion then their arguments will not be strong maybe they will just shut up and see how we prove ourselves with bitcoin.

Or who used to be anti bitcoin has now become a holder because of halving preparations? Hahaha
I don't see that person coming to the forum again with anti bitcoin and spreading FUD, maybe they already know that bitcoin has grown rapidly until now even though there has been a decline since the ATH in 2021.
Maybe they are not doing in this forum but other forum.

RawDog used to rant on youtube a lot.
Couldn't find any of his videos now.

I saw him mentioned in another video here and comments say he deleted his channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiPqpE775J4
IMO he had some mental issues.

If you're looking for people with similar mindset, here's one:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2860144

Yeah, mindrust was epic. But I have to admit the guy was never anti-Bitcoin, he just panic sold all his stash at the bottom. Poor soul. I've read a couple of his posts recently and well, he sounds reasonable, totally makes sense. And he certainly isn't one of the assholes I mentioned above.  8)

This forum, Facebook, Twitter, no matter the platform, usually these people only show up during bear markets to remember others that bitcoin lost, for example, 50% of its value, of course without mentioning that it's still worth way more than 3-4 years ago otherwise they know hat what they are saying makes no sense. Probably many of them missed out big time and now they see other people making money and they can't accept it, so they hope other people will fail just like them.

I imagine there was a very heated discussion back then, that should be fun and interesting actually compared to many spammers all praising Bitcoins with such useless and ridiculous topic. Other than that, I think it's common for any breakthrough and quite radical stuff to have a group of skeptics and even haters especially at the earlier era.

But I guess Bitcoin has proven them wrong and they finally realize that there is no point spreading FUD about Bitcoin anymore, even if they are still here they will be bullied by millions of users in this forum because almost all of the users in here is pro Bitcoin.

It was quite fun to read topics in those days.  The heated arguments of pros and cons about Bitcoin and giving their own insights which boosted one's understanding about the topic being discusses.  At least it was way better than the current trends of creating fake stories about how they engaged in Bitcoin activity.


Well, bitcoin indeed proves them wrong because they might have been actively creating Bitcoin-hate topics if they are right.  The current trend and popularity of Bitcoin put a seal on their keyboard and keep them away from typing their proven wrong thoughts.  But I think once Bitcoin shows some failure, naysayers will start creating topic again.

Welp. They died down through time.

They had good reasons to be angry about bitcoin too, I can remember the utter shitshow that was bitcointalk 2016-2018. Everyone for themselves equally hating on bitcoin and fanaticizing it at the same time. Every post talking about if whether bitcoin was a ponzi scheme or not. It was a chaos fest and yet as time passed by the simmered down. Either they started believing in bitcoin, as most of the people in here, or they just gave up and diverted their energy to something else more worthwhile.

Should they come back, and they will, we have even more constructive forum members here who would be able to lecture them a good thing or two about bitcoin no doubt. After all this time we didn't just gather more supporters, we literally became smarter too.

I think many of these accounts were trolls and perhaps they even had another pro-Bitcoin accounts on this forum. As to the Bitcoin haters, their narrative has changed from "Bitcoin iz a ponzi" to "dollar is the king". FIAT fans and USD supremacists are the last form of Bitcoin haters on this forum. 

I guess they now changed sides knowing how Bitcoin's price moves in the long run.

Like you, I don't see any of them anymore. Maybe it's because they aren't here in the forum anymore, or it's just we don't give any attention to them anymore. Whatever the case is, I guess the phrase "Bitcoin is dead" is rarely being used compare to how often it has been used last 2017 where many articles, many posters here, and many people saying that Bitcoin is dead or the like.

I'm not saying though that they're gone already because I still believe that there will always be people who are anti-Bitcoin (like Peter Schiff), but as Bitcoin goes more, and more popular, more and more anti-Bitcoin will slowly change sides, and will start to support Bitcoin because what they think about it will just lead to nothing.

We appreciate the fact that things like this have turned a thing of the past, the way they go being aggressive now has reduced and they are not flooding or spamming with their anti bitcoin agitations, the funny things to write about them is how they can argue their way out on a discussion blindly and the level of words content in their post, they can post more than 2 full pages and never get tired of arguing blindly.


They are tired as well, some of them have been retired of doing such, while some are not paid any longer by their sponsors to receive the fuel needed to drive for more arguments and stir on the forum, they can be always active and restless in making replies, they are smart enough by not breaking the forum's rules in other not to get banned, they are now tired and i believe some of them would have realized bitcoin is not the problem, some of them might have invested as well in same bitcoin they preached against in the past.

Never heard of this neither have I come across one. So was it as a goal of marketing domination tussles against Bitcoin and AltCoins? Or could they just be an AI spammed accounts maybe to get the doubt rates of investors on BTC?
I am just curious because I don't  find other necessity reason for that .

Opponents of Bitcoin may still roam the forums, they just monitor it and then leave. They can't show their nose at least when Bitcoin prices are fine because they will be heavily attacked by users who are pro Bitcoin. Forum users will not fall for the talk of Bitcoin opponents, they will look like fools if their mission is not successful. They always wait for the right time to applaud when a collapse occurs in the Bitcoin market. If they think positively about Bitcoin's performance, their efforts are always in vain because Bitcoin can always return to a better price even without their support.

Majority of those guys are here in this thread Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.651800) they are still actively discussing good points about bitcoin.

We can rarely see them posting about something or random insights since maybe they don't like what they are reading on global boards. If you like to check this thread from time to time you can see a lot of interesting post and price insight coming from real traders or people who always follow the price track of bitcoin. on other side I don't see an anti bitcoin guy and maybe they are totally disappear or just realize that bitcoin is a good coin to have.

Bitcoin has faced loads of naysayers issues and has always surfaced stronger, the likes of institutions and government agencies has always come after bitcoin and blockchain technology but it has always emerged successful.

I doubt it they were AI accounts as most of them showed up way earlier than AI became popular or even existed at all. And no, these guys were not a part of Bitcoin vs shitcoins discussions as they were normally against all types of crypto, including both Bitcoin and shitcoins.