Where are all the Bitcoin naysayers?

[serveria.com]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

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[serjent05]

These Bitcoin naysayers are still around, we sometimes see them create threads about Bitcoin doom whenever the bear market sentiments and news is on high.  In fact, I do not think that they will be gone.  They are always lurking around waiting for the chance to say their Bitcoin doom insights.

I do not think that their thought matters since they do not affect my belief in Bitcoin.  I think only those who have shallow knowledge about Bitcoin can be swayed by their Bitcoin naysayers threads.

[Odohu]

Bitcoin have a way of humbling critics, that I know for certain. Before there was a mindset in my neighbourhood that Bitcoin was scam... those of us into Bitcoin then were seen as unwise. Funny enough, some of those critics are hodlers today. Indeed Bitcoin bring to reality the popular saying that "if you can't beat them, join them".

Peradventure the next bull run turns out massive with Bitcoin hitting over $100k, those of them still remaining, if any, will have no choice than to join.

[Baofeng]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

Yeah, probably in the early years of bitcoin, because it's obvious, we really don't know what's going to happen next so there are a lot of members who created FUD, anti-bitcoin sentiments to the point that you know that they are trolling.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

There are still few account left if I'm not mistaken, forget their names though. But I do believed that they are still around. Maybe not giving the time as they used to be because they know that it's no longer effective as those years when bitcoin was just in it's infancy.

[nelson4lov]

Majority of those naysayers gave up actually. It used to be worse some days ago but when you're constantly talking bad about something but instead of the subject matter to collapse or get destroyed, it kept going and waxxed stronger, you'd give up because it's obviously a lost game. I could remember anytime Bitcoin is in the news for the wrong reasons, they'd be the first to show up on the forum to talk bad about Bitcoin  

I think they realized this earlier and gave up. I won't be surprised if some of them are now Bitcoin maxis as the saying goes – "if you can't beat them, you join them."

[FinneysTrueVision]

They probably invested in some altcoins after buying into the 'flippening' hype and got rekt. I'm not familiar with the users you mention but that kind of obsessive negativity towards Bitcoin is typical of many shitcoiners. These people like Peter Schiff hate Bitcoin so much that they make themselves look like clowns by making the most outlandish claims about Bitcoin going to zero whenever there is a big dip only to be proven wrong soon after when there is a major rally.

[BitcoinBarrel]

They are all on Reddit

[digaran]

I remember a member but not the name, he had an avatar of a bald guy and he always used to say bitcoin is dead or is dying, they are either specialists in FUD area of expertise or simply are trolls.
At one point in time during the ancient fork meltdown era, China had employed several Fudsters  to spread fear in order to dump the price, and it actually worked for a while but later the community started to realize what is going on behind the curtain and who was really profiting off the fake news and FUD.
But now it seems they are unable to find any support around here and just left to go other places. Of course back in the days where people bought into their bs, bitcoin price was less than $200.😅

[pinggoki]

They are all on Reddit

Was going to say this but you beat me to it, lots of people there are still talking shit about crypto in general so no surprise that people that spread FUD are gathering there. I don't get the appeal of Reddit though, it feels as if you can't really voice a different opinion there and the threads are difficult to navigate. Now that I've read this post, there's not a lot of people in the forum that's creating an account just to spread FUD in these past few months, either they got tired or they're trying to find a new place to spout their nonsensical FUDs, you know where their claims aren't challenged.

[DapanasFruit]

As popular as it is, Bitcoin will always have fervent supporters as well as detractors and this is quite normal under a still democratic setting and where people got the choice to choose something or not to. However, as of now, it seems to me that naysayers are having some beauty rest maybe conserving their energy for the next round when BTC will be encountering major setbacks like when there is a major market downtrend. Anyway, these negative people inherently has nothing to do whether BTC will be here to stay or not.

[mk4]

There was this one crackhead that posted quite frequently and that Pooya87 and TMAN sparred with a lot back then lololol. Not gonna lie — I miss the dude quite a bit. A lot of times he was saying some very outlandish stuff that end up being actually hilarious. I actually preferred reading those posts than those "how to earn merit" posts.

[Darker45]

At least one username sticks in my mind. The avatar of another username which I already forgot is still in my memory also.

Sometimes, their presence is needed especially when everybody is unreasonably bullish. For as long as they are also bringing with them some logic, or at least some sense, in their arguments, it doesn't hurt the forum to have them in certain discussions. It provides some good balance, although some of them are probably not really naysayers like Proudhon. He/she certainly owns Bitcoin and is pro-Bitcoin. He/she's just chilling.

They're probably a lot better than many influencers who are always mega-bullish in their TAs as if Bitcoin will just take a straight line to the moon. Many newbies must have been carried away by how they present chart patterns as if something big is always about to come. These FOMO-inciters are probably more damaging to Bitcoin's reputation than some naysayers.

[nutildah]

Even though Bitcointalk is still an SEO powerhouse, its visitorship pales in comparison to what it was in 2017-2020, which is probably why we don't see so many prominent, vocal critics here anymore... They've moved on in search of a bigger audience.

Ex-forum member and prominent Bitcoin hater Jorge Stolfi for instance, has amassed quite a twitter following, with 11.4k followers:

https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi

He is still hating on Bitcoin every day - for years! But he does it over there rather than here because he can have a bigger audience over there.

[wxa7115]

I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

I remember them and several other users as well which had the same attitude, most likely they simply moved on to other websites as the community here is simply to difficult to scare away to force them to sell just because of a little FUD.

However I am not going to deny that it was entertaining to read their posts from time to time as their arguments about why bitcoin was not good made no sense at all, and I always wondered how it was possible to be so wrong when the evidence this was the case was so obvious to everyone else.

[franky1]

gold crazy Peter Schiff was anti crypto years ago. but even he now wants a crypto blockchain to register gold ownership..

funny part is over the years he was also doing deals to get people to sell their crypto to buy gold... in short he was buying bitcoin while getting rid of his gold ownership

in short.. he actually likes bitcoin personally but pretends to be anti-bitcoin for these reasons:
a. it hurts his gold business if people use their fiat to buy btc instead of gold
b. he doesnt want to pump btc via influencer status because it harms his personal cost of buying btc
c. his BTC is his secret untaxed 'offshore account' he doesnt want the IRS knowing about

you will see many bitcoin lovers secret pretend they dont have any or they dont like it.. but their hoard says otherwise

take elon musk.. he still owns a large hoard of bitcoin. he never outted himself as  bitcoin adorer. it was media that found his SEC filings that showed he obtained bitcoin.. so he tried to avoid or break the media pump by pretending to be a doge adorer.

its like most investments from top guys.. when they shout SELL they want others to bring the price down so the top guys can buy at discount. and when they shout BUY they want other naive traders to pump the price so they can sell.. in short top traders promote publicly the opposite to their personal preference. because the actual preference if promoted would shoot their own investment strategy in the foot due to competition

[Plaguedeath]

Those Bitcoin naysayers already become Bitcoin yaysayers.

People who're spreading FUDs and keep attacking Bitcoin are paid actors, they must be paid by government or banks because they feel Bitcoin will become a threat for them.

Just use our logic, if someone prefer to invest in real estate and gold, but they don't trust Bitcoin. Why they need to create a long post and making Bitcoin looks really wrong if they didn't get paid? no one will want to wasting their time and energy.

[NotATether]

Maybe they got too tired of Bitcoin going sideways and after years of cutting their teeth on it. 

Now there was this one guy who was busy telling us all how Bitcoin will not survive any of these movements and it's better to use gold. I bet that worked out well for him didn't it? 

[nutildah]

take elon musk.. he still owns a large hoard of bitcoin. he never outted himself as  bitcoin adorer. it was media that found his SEC filings that showed he obtained bitcoin..

I dunno what you're talking about here unless you're referring to Tesla, who sold 75% of their BTC holdings last October at a loss. Musk never disclosed his personal BTC holdings, but he has repeatedly said that he likes it and owns it. Its no secret.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503222294277197829

so he tried to avoid or break the media pump by pretending to be a doge adorer.

He is a doge adorer. He has a literal doge (Shiba Inu) named Floki. He's probably single-handedly done more for Dogecoin than anybody else, ever. One of the things he actually contributed was encouraging the Dogecoin devs to implement transaction fee reductions, which indeed happened in late 2021.

its like most investments from top guys.. when they shout SELL they want others to bring the price down so the top guys can buy at discount. and when they shout BUY they want other naive traders to pump the price so they can sell.. in short top traders promote publicly the opposite to their personal preference. because the actual preference if promoted would shoot their own investment strategy in the foot due to competition

Musk is already the richest man in the world -- he would not waste his time in this manner. As for Schiff, could be, but without proof who cares, its just another conspiracy theory.

[philipma1957]

Even though Bitcointalk is still an SEO powerhouse, its visitorship pales in comparison to what it was in 2017-2020, which is probably why we don't see so many prominent, vocal critics here anymore... They've moved on in search of a bigger audience.

Ex-forum member and prominent Bitcoin hater Jorge Stolfi for instance, has amassed quite a twitter following, with 11.4k followers:

https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi

He is still hating on Bitcoin every day - for years! But he does it over there rather than here because he can have a bigger audience over there.

And ten years from now he will have made himself an even bigger fool to over 20 mill followers. I think I will go pester him a bit. with my the yankees win account.

[naira]

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?    

Or now they are actually secretly holding Bitcoin because usually, the more someone doesn't like it, the more curious they are to look deeper and end up trapping themselves because of their words. Not a few people who were initially anti-Bitcoin have now changed their beliefs, it is possible that this will also happen to them out there.

Other Bitcoin opponents will surface if Bitcoin falls, but because they currently have no strong arguments to denounce, they end up drowning in a pile of old, unproven arguments. Just a simple example in the area where I live there are people who are active on social media who openly reject Bitcoin with a bunch of ridiculous statements, scams, etc. However, the more active he became on the internet and received a lot of information regarding the adoption of Bitcoin as the only digital asset that attracted the world's attention, little by little he became less active and found himself deleting his posts. What has happened? most likely he wants to get into Bitcoin but is too shy to announce it.