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Title: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 24, 2023, 08:53:36 AM
 
 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Oshosondy on October 24, 2023, 09:00:54 AM
Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.

It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on October 24, 2023, 09:02:32 AM
Anything can be used to launder money, gambling is no more utilised for it than anything else. Drug operations often run large amounts of cash through bogus businesses like flower shops and cake stores, taxi ranks etc.

Gambling is probably more of a risk than anything else to be used as a laundering vehicle. Imagine betting a large amount on something supposedly very likely to happen to clean money with winnings and then it loses.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: coin-investor on October 24, 2023, 09:07:54 AM



Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

That's Wikipedia's definition but not in countries where they define it as illegal activity, when it comes to gambling it is the government that will define it not an online version of Encyclopedia.

Dont just believe Wikipedia because not all that are presented here are proven facts, you can actually edit or request to edit entries here
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First, you can fix it yourself! Anyone can edit Wikipedia. Just hit the "edit" button on the top right of the page, make the correction, and hit "Publish changes". If you want to learn more about editing, try our help pages.
Editng entries on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Readers#:~:text=Anyone%20can%20edit%20Wikipedia.,editing%2C%20try%20our%20help%20pages.)

Listen to your government's advice when it comes to gambling because they are the ones drawing the line between what's legal and illegal based on their laws and constitution and not Wikipedia, Wikipedia is not a good source on topics about laws and regulations.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: pinggoki on October 24, 2023, 09:13:35 AM
Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.

It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.
That's why money launderers love gambling sites that don't do KYC, they can just easily clean their money in there albeit it's going to take them little by little since they want to be as lowkey as much as possible. I think gambling is mostly illegal in Muslim countries but I've heard that there's lottery in some of those countries so I'm weirded out that other form of gambling is illegal but lottery becomes an exception.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: piebeyb on October 24, 2023, 09:16:24 AM
Maybe if it is called a prohibited activity, there may be some truth to it because in some countries gambling is still considered illegal because it is prohibited and there are also those that legalize it. Talking about gambling as a money laundering activity, I think it is possible that what Wikipedia means is a means by which people can launder money there. but as you know and other people also know, it is not easy to launder money in casinos, your account and money can be frozen if you are caught.

I don't consider this as something that can be said to be a prohibited activity, instead I consider gambling only as a means and activity for fun games, a kind of entertainment and nothing more than that, but everyone may have their own views so I'm just saying from my point of view. .  ;)


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: TravelMug on October 24, 2023, 09:26:36 AM
Because some of the gambling money as well might come to any form of illicit activity and they can hide behind the gambling to launder that dirty money so it's hard to track. We've seen this so most of crypto based casinos today, KYC and at least their is a betting requirements before you can withdraw your money.

And if you go to landbased casino, I will always think of those whales or heavy bettors that I witnessed and think where did these guys are getting their money? I mean they will bet big without blinking an eyelash. And me thinks that he could be some drug lords because he doesn't care about the money win or lose and most likely he like to mix his money and later withdraw it. So now it became clean and not tainted anymore.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: _act_ on October 24, 2023, 09:37:54 AM
Anything can be used to launder money, gambling is no more utilised for it than anything else. Drug operations often run large amounts of cash through bogus businesses like flower shops and cake stores, taxi ranks etc.

Gambling is probably more of a risk than anything else to be used as a laundering vehicle. Imagine betting a large amount on something supposedly very likely to happen to clean money with winnings and then it loses.
That is just it. Nearly all money involved in laundering are either in banks or in physical form hidden somewhere. If you do not know the launderers, you will not be able to trace the money to money laundering. There are many legit businesses that are owned by well known people but are used to also launder money. If these people are not found guilty, they will never known that they have any money laundered.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: stomachgrowls on October 24, 2023, 09:51:53 AM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

Quote
Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
Totally just that common sense in regarding with your question on which it is really just that pretty obvious that gambling would really be a considerable medium on where those tainted money or fiat would pass through.
We do know on how big this industry is and how big the money is really that involved with gambling on which it would really be just that normal that gambling could really be able to bare that kind of reputation on which it would really just that normal and this is why government would really be getting in between and set out those regulations just to get rid of  those fiat would really be tranferred or cleaned up with these mediums and this is why it would really be just that normal that they would really be setting those kind of terms on which it would really be just that normal.

There's nothing new and its always been that gambling do really get that bad image and its not something that surprising or shocking anymore.
This is why there are community that will really be getting that bad impressions or looks towards gambling which its that normal that it would really be always
that bad.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Ojima-ojo on October 24, 2023, 09:52:51 AM
Gambling is far from being a money laundering scheme which is why there is a need for licensing,  so those regions who doesn't want gambling will not license them a. d anyone ending in gambling in such countries could be liable to sanctions and imprisoned if the law stipulates that, but then we have countries where gambling is either regulated or unregulated in such region you must choose to gamblin' only on licensed casinos, this way you can stay safe from committing any regional crime.


Most time casinos are used as ad mixers for money launderers and as such this forced the casinos to implement the wager systems that way they can protect their players from getting cut up on innthe bad web also they have a system in place that checks how legitimate is the money.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Odohu on October 24, 2023, 09:57:12 AM
Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.
I think this is the best response to this question. What I suppsed they are explaining is the fact that people can use gambling sites to move money through the back-door.  Some companies allow withdrawal from means differrent from that of deposit and this is where the opportunity to deposit money, play one or two games either win or loss, then withdraw through another means and the money will be untraceable.

I know some companies have come up with rules to mitigate this such as ensurering that certain percentage of the deposited funds must be used in playing gamble before the balance withdrawn. In that case, users can not just deposit snd withdraw.


It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.
This is actually the reason gambling made it to that list. Most countries that banned gambling uses money laundering as excuse.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: HelliumZ on October 24, 2023, 10:00:43 AM
Gambling is basically a reprehensible and prohibited act. Although gambling is officially institutionalized in various countries of the world, gambling is considered a harmful addiction in most countries and the government does not approve gambling as a prohibited profession. However, gambling is still considered haram or anti-Islamic activity in Islamic countries. In my country gambling is openly considered illegal and those who participate in gambling are prosecuted and penalized.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Text on October 24, 2023, 10:21:13 AM
As for my research, the term illicit generally refers to something that is not legally permitted. Gambling, in many jurisdictions, is not an illicit activity as long as it is regulated by the government or other authorized bodies. However, unregulated or unauthorized gambling can be considered illicit. Here in our country, for example, gambling isn’t entirely illegal. There are forms of gambling that are authorized by the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR). However, any form of gambling not authorized by PAGCOR is considered illegal. Laws such as Republic Act (R.A) 9287 denounce illegal number games and serve as the country’s law against illicit online gambling.

https://justicesnows.com/illegal-gambling-in-philippines/


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Yogee on October 24, 2023, 10:22:09 AM
I'll never use wikipedia as your main online source when researching on something since it's editable as pointed by coin-investor. The person who inserted gambling in there is probably from a country where gambling is haram or never allowed.

[....] But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.
It's not really as plain as that. I mean gambling or betting outside of regulated casinos and sportsbooks are still considered as an illegal activity.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Wexnident on October 24, 2023, 10:22:37 AM
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I don't believe it is. Though I guess the general idea of society about gambling is rather negative, I believe society has changed radically enough to identify it as not. At least, without involving some cultural aspects and whatnot, but rather from a general point of view. I'd argue that the reason it was included was that gambling can be seen as illegal in some countries after all, so they just chose a general idea that would fit those who would be affected if it was portrayed positively/negatively and in this case, I guess portraying it negatively won out.

Or, the wiki guy just hates gambling.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: FatFork on October 24, 2023, 10:23:08 AM
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So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

The wiki article you cited only gave a couple examples, possibly the most common, of illegal activities from which "dirty" money comes that needs to be laundered. Obviously, they can't list everything illegal out there. As for gambling being an illegal activity, it depends on local laws and regulations. In many jurisdictions, there are legal gambling activities, such as state lotteries, licensed casinos, and online betting platforms. These get watched closely by regulators.  But other areas completely ban all gambling or unregulated betting making it against the law. So it varies place to place whether gambling gets you dirty money or not.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: danherbias07 on October 24, 2023, 10:52:13 AM
That is why gambling sites want their players to wager first before they can get out. It's because of this kind of activity that some people would like to wash their money through them and just get out with the same money as they deposited. I think that's the term for it "washed money". They need to clean it up especially if those bills are marked or should've been listed somewhere else.
There's a movie about this "Den of Thieves" where the money they will try to steal are those that will be shredded and so it is clean money. It's not about gambling but it's a good explanation of why people are trying to wash their money and the evil ones trying to get the cash that is already in circulation in exchange for their unclean ones.
Gambling is illegal if not registered in one country because there's no way they can regulate it and if cash is flowing there without the government tracking it then they might arrest innocent people who will be holding those illegal money without knowledge about it.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: bluebit25 on October 24, 2023, 11:03:02 AM
So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.
Gambling is not an illegal activity, but people are the cause of that illegality.

But as a tool in life, it is built to support people, but how to use it for what purpose is a matter of the user.

Perhaps because the legal issue of gambling has not been specifically recognized, people only know about part of the content and consider it as everything. Some places consider this illegal, let alone using it. So anyway, depending on the perception in the current context, we should also have an open view of gambling, play happily without too much calculation.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Crypt0Gore on October 24, 2023, 11:03:11 AM
Why did OP mention Wikipedia? It's man made bro, so don't always take them this serious. Gambling to me has some part that's into illicit activities, even right from the olden days, centuries back, illegal gambling also became one of the masterpiece activities of methodical crime, today any business can be used as a back door for illegal activities, it's not gambling only.

This is why the government is very serious with casinos regulations, because they knew that right from day one many illegal activities are been carried out by those running casinos, and that's why they mandatory KYC requirements too.

It's why some countries will never accept gambling activities among it's people, they believe it's a very harmful habit, they failed to approve gambling when they know that they can make some money from the it and use the fund on the country, but it seems they care more for their citizens, like Cyprus and Cambodia.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: davis196 on October 24, 2023, 11:05:35 AM
1.Why were you searching for the definition of "money laundering"? Do you plan to launder some money? ;D
2.Gambling is legal in some countries and illegal in other countries. The same thing applies to prostitution, selling alcohol and weed and various other goods and services.
3.The guy, who wrote the definition of "money laundering" in Wikipedia didn't do any mistake. Gambling can be used in money laundering schemes.
I remember stories about carders(the people, who obtain credit/debit card info and steal money from bank accounts), who were using casinos and sports betting platforms to launder the money they stole from their victims. The KYC policies, which were imposed over the gambling businesses had helped in fighting this form of money laundering.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Natsuu on October 24, 2023, 11:18:23 AM
Wikipedia isnt really a credible source to refer to. I think you need to search more beyond it. As how I take it, gambling itself is not always illicit. The point is that criminals sometimes use the proceeds from illegal activities like drug trafficking or corruption and funnel that money through legal businesses like gambling establishments to make it appear legitimate. In this case, gambling is used as a cover to conceal the illegal origins of the money.
Maybe thats why Wikipedia's didnt define it as illicit because technically if gambling establishments are registered it is not illicit, if it is used for money laudering, it is.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: dothebeats on October 24, 2023, 11:49:12 AM
Gambling is not necessarily an illicit activity, although it's connected to such due to the possibility of money laundering. That's why casinos often have this rule that you cannot withdraw deposited funds when you don't wager at least 1x of your original amount. It prevents money laundering somewhat, because it poses a risk to the perpetrator by hindering them to deposit and dip out with the funds by withdrawing.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: alani123 on October 24, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
Some countries, perhaps based on religious reasons, may ban gambling as a whole. Based on Islamic and fundamentalist christian principles, Gambling is a work of the devil and should never be done by those seeking to follow god.

But other than that, government also like to ban online casinos that they can't tax. However, the funny thing is that most licensed casinos don't follow the "provably fair" principle in any way shape or form. So in fact an educated gambler would be better off gambling at provably fair casinos. Honestly governments aren't so much concerned with the safety of users, they just care about getting paid. However choosing to gamble "illegally" on unlicensed crypto casinos can sometimes be a better option for user safety and fairness.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Crypt0Gore on October 24, 2023, 12:12:57 PM
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money laundering is any financial transaction which generates an asset or a value as the result of an illegal act,"

I'd like to point out that their explanation of money laundering is pretty complex. If we follow these definitions, it would mean that in countries where Bitcoin is prohibited or restricted, anyone who uses Bitcoin (a decentralized system) might be considered involved in money laundering. While gambling is considered illegal in many places, I wouldn't classify it as money laundering. When you gamble or bet, you're essentially risking your money, and if you win, you make some profits. Moreover, these casinos are legally registered with the government, so they aren't engaged in anything illegal. I wouldn't define this as money laundering, as per the actual definition of money laundering.

 
Quote from: www.google.com
Money laundering is the illegal process of making illegally obtained money, typically from criminal activities, appear to come from legal sources, obscuring its illicit origin.

It's a gateway, you are not into this strategies that's why you dont believe that there is a way to move money around in a casino, what will it take the casino owners to pretend as a gambler from another country and then credit their account as if they win a lot of money? And it's actually them, from the inside, now they take out the money and fund their nonsense, all you need to do is think.

This is just one out of many ways, even companies that are into pie making are into smuggling of drugs and other things, criminal organizations have incredible unsighting ways they can carry out their operations, you will be shocked if you hear them.

The most popular method is cashing in and out of the casino, as if it belongs not to them but to a total stranger and another similar way is by abusing the gambling accounts on their platforms.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Weawant on October 24, 2023, 12:36:52 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
If you read your post very well again you would see that gambling in it self isn't an illicit activity or business, some one with a trusted source of money can aswell channel their funds to gambling and they can never be considered to be illicit, but it's sad that most times illicit money is channeled into gambling because some how it gives them cove as gambling is the most common place when you can make huge sums at go.

But gambling in it's entirety isn't illicit and thats why it's been regulated in regions where they consider it to be legal, in regions where they consider gambling illegal it's usually because of past experiences which have been to frequently associated with gambling so to prevent further occurrances in the near future they had to put a stop to it, but then gambling literally isn't illicit as you don't take money from anyone illegally, you only risk a certain amount to get a bigger amount.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Vaculin on October 24, 2023, 01:04:16 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
Gambling will only become an illicit activity if the state or the country does not approve it or its not covered by its federal laws. That's the reason why gambling is not legalized in a certain country. However, there are also certain countries that do legalize gambling because they obtained taxes from the casinos which the state benefits, in that case gambling activity is never illicit but legally approved by the country's government.

Furthermore, in cases where gambling tolerates money laundering, then that is certainly becomes an illicit one. Money laundering is always forbidden by law, and so is gambling that becomes a means to exercise illegal money laundering. 


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: bittraffic on October 24, 2023, 01:12:42 PM

There had been many edits in wiki that are suspicious even though the word Recession was edited to make it look like we are not experiencing it. If they added gambling being an illicit activity then the government itself is committing it since they have been promoting gambling like the state-sponsored lottery.

It will not be surprising one day gambling will be prohibited in countries that once allowed it. After all even today gambling is being frowned upon.



Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: aioc on October 24, 2023, 01:14:46 PM
In our country it is only illicit activity if the platform has no license, gambling is not prohibited in our country there are a lot of lottery outlets in every city and province, and hours before the draw there are so many people lining in to bet, but if the platform is being taxed by the government it is not considered illicit activity so the definition of gambling as an illicit activity is based on how the government defines it.
And if an online platform has no license all the money that comes into that platform is considered illegal money if an authority raids an illegal platform all the money is considered coming from illegal activity.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: CODE200 on October 24, 2023, 01:15:00 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.


It is as simple as this. If gambling is prohibited in certain countries, then we can say that gambling is an illicit activity. But if gambling is considered to be or made legal in a country, then we cannot call it as an illicit activity. Also, wikipedia is not really a reliable source of information because everyone has access to edit and change information from it. Maybe the author of that is only speaking based on his experience or on behalf of his country that's why he wrote there that gambling is an illicit activity. But again, this discussion may be subjective because we are speaking from our own personal beliefs. But for me, I don't consider gambling as an illicit activity especially if there are established laws which constitutes that gambling is made legal in the country. And according to your definition "process of illegally concealing the origin of money", no money was being concealed in country's that made gambling legalized. In fact, gambling is one of the supporting industries which helps a country to achieve economic stability. But again, it depends on what country you came from.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Plaguedeath on October 24, 2023, 01:19:05 PM
It's a non sense to say gambling is an illicit activity, money laundering happen in a place where money is flowing, which is it can happen in anywhere including banks or private trade by government. Business can be used for money laundering too, have you see a business in your country where it's really quiet or only few people come to that place? there's a chance it used for money laundering.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Die_empty on October 24, 2023, 01:35:39 PM
So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
The answers or materials you get from Wikipedia are written by humans and not spirits. These writers have their own ideologies and beliefs which affect their perception of an activity. If you ask a Muslim if money gotten from gambling is evil, he will affirm that it is illicit. Somebody might have a different view of what gambling is. I suspect that the content writer of the definition is guided by some cultural or religious sentiments that made him biased. It could also be that he is from a country where gambling is illegal, so he defined it based on his country's laws.

In my country, money laundering is an illegal activity but gambling is legal. People who launder money through gambling are not true gamblers but confirmed money gamblers. It just shows that gambling is just a victim of money laundering. This observation is valid, It could also be an error from the website. However, you can contact them for clarification and possible adjustments.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: livingfree on October 24, 2023, 01:36:59 PM
If it's about money laundering, it just so happen that groups or organizations that does it have seen the potential on it and they can literally do it through the casinos and gambling itself.

That's why they've abused that use of gambling and casinos for that illegal activity such as money laundering. The governments are aware of this but they can't ignore the fact that there's a huge taxation that comes from gambling and legal casinos.

Therefore, there's a due process for those suspected people that uses casinos for money laundering but how often do we get some litigations through it when there's huge money that can stop those and let them just do it?


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: YOSHIE on October 24, 2023, 02:05:40 PM
Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
If we talk about gambling, it is an activity that is believed to be a form of prohibition, in my opinion not in general, for that reason it can be broken by a statement that states there is Countries Where Casino Gambling Is Legal (https://adventuresofagoodman.com/6-countries-where-casino-gambling-is-legal/), Of course the question is gambling, activities and prohibitions.



So in my understanding.
Gambling: is a place to gamble money or an online site that is used by humans.
Activity: can be interpreted broadly, behavior, activities and so on.
Forbidden: can be interpreted in the form of a rule or order.

For me, these three things are actions carried out by humans, apart from these three things there is money laundering, but this action is not completely and generally prohibited, because in this element there are rules or orders, which are carried out by humans, regardless of whether gambling is illegal or legal, in general they do not fully consider gambling as a prohibited activity, in essence: Articles don't happen the same, like what happens in the field, articles are not 100% correct as written, they can be written excessively, casually or as they are, but the third point is rarely done by article writers, most of them are excessive.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Nwada001 on October 24, 2023, 02:07:06 PM

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Gambling could be considered an illicit activity depending on the country and player who is involved in it. For those countries that ban gambling, anyone who is involved and takes part in gambling in that region will be penalised and considered a criminal, or whatever they might tag the person as being.
 
But for countries where gambling is legal, it's not considered illicit. Few people can tell gamblers that they are doing something that is not useful or right, but legally there is no legal implication that can be attached to it. But that does not stop it from being used for image activities, where money launderers can use it in the best way possible to clean their money, which makes most people call it or view it as something that is illicit.
 
But one thing that I know is that money that is being launder through a casino, exchange, or any form of centralised means is just a small amount of money; real money laundering businesses are happening through cash transactions or it's been handled by offshore account operators, which makes it less suspicious.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Dimitri94 on October 24, 2023, 02:42:23 PM
One thing to note here is that gambling can definitely be called illegal in countries where gambling is not legalized. Gambling cannot be said to be illegal where it is officially permitted. If we look at a survey of most of the countries in the world, it is considered illegal rather than legalized. Moreover, people cannot control themselves in gambling, as a result of which, most of the time, they end up in disastrous situations. If you notice how many famous people in the world support gambling? Do those in good professions support gambling? We more or less know why not. But the picture is that some people always find a way to corrupt. Those who try to launder money can easily do this through gambling. But as this matter is now well understood by all, it is not easy to do such work.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: retreat on October 24, 2023, 02:52:28 PM
If it is in an area where gambling operations are prohibited, such as in Muslim countries, perhaps the money obtained from gambling can be said to be money resulting from illicit activity. However, if it comes from a place that allows casino operations, it cannot be said to be money from illicit activity, because the regulations clearly allow gambling activities in that area. So depending on the location, gambling can be said to be an illicit activity or not.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Accardo on October 24, 2023, 08:55:34 PM
Gambling is not necessarily an illicit activity, although it's connected to such due to the possibility of money laundering. That's why casinos often have this rule that you cannot withdraw deposited funds when you don't wager at least 1x of your original amount. It prevents money laundering somewhat, because it poses a risk to the perpetrator by hindering them to deposit and dip out with the funds by withdrawing.

It's important to know that business consists of the black market. Where illegal products are being controlled officially. Casino could be used to launder money. Not just on the player's end. They may be doing the KYC stuff and trying to stop players from laundering money, to keep the eyes of the government away from them. Underground trades can occur between the officials of the casino and some underworld organizations to move a huge sum of money. Which profit can change forever the welfare of the casino and it's workers.  Most offline casino owners, we see, always live a large and luxurious lifestyles. Owning different properties. The casino expose them to numerous wealthy men. Not all, do legal businesses. The owner of the casino can also get offers from the illegal business men to help them launder money. These things happen underground, it's not about us, the players. Hence from the definition and the collocation of gambling and money launderings. It still shows how cheek and jowl the both are in the eyes of the government. Who have numerous times figured out that casinos are being used to launder money. Remember that money laundering is mainly in cash. If it goes through the bank, it's easily traceable. Thinking of players as the money launderers is quite wrong. Because players deposit in different form, like through cryptocurrency. They have exposed IDs held by the casino for the Government. A money launderer that thinks of executing his task by depositing and withdrawing his funds after wagering some amounts, is not the kind of money launderer the government is searching for. The underground businesses have nothing to do with the bank. That's why they launder money into banks through a one time transfer. From the casino. The bank won't ask the recipient much questions. But following the process of depositing to the bank, then buy crypto, deposits and withdraw. They'll be enough loopholes already before the money gets successfully laundered. Even the gold sellers launder money through. They send gold in return to the recipient. That's money laundering. The person can sell his gold and get transfer to his bank or even cash.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Lanatsa on October 24, 2023, 08:59:09 PM
Gambling is not necessarily an illicit activity, although it's connected to such due to the possibility of money laundering. That's why casinos often have this rule that you cannot withdraw deposited funds when you don't wager at least 1x of your original amount. It prevents money laundering somewhat, because it poses a risk to the perpetrator by hindering them to deposit and dip out with the funds by withdrawing.

It's important to know that business consists of the black market. Where illegal products are being controlled officially. Casino could be used to launder money. Not just on the player's end. They may be doing the KYC stuff and trying to stop players from laundering money, to keep the eyes of the government away from them. Underground trades can occur between the officials of the casino and some underworld organizations to move a huge sum of money. Which profit can change forever the welfare of the casino and it's workers.  Most offline casino owners, we see, always live a large and luxurious lifestyles. Owning different properties. The casino expose them to numerous wealthy men. Not all, do legal businesses. The owner of the casino can also get offers from the illegal business men to help them launder money. These things happen underground, it's not about us, the players. Hence from the definition and the collocation of gambling and money launderings. It still shows how cheek and jowl the both are in the eyes of the government. Who have numerous times figured out that casinos are being used to launder money. Remember that money laundering is mainly in cash. If it goes through the bank, it's easily traceable. Thinking of players as the money launderers is quite wrong. Because players deposit in different form, like through cryptocurrency. They have exposed IDs held by the casino for the Government. A money launderer that thinks of executing his task by depositing and withdrawing his funds after wagering some amounts, is not the kind of money launderer the government is searching for. The underground businesses have nothing to do with the bank. That's why they launder money into banks through a one time transfer. From the casino. The bank won't ask the recipient much questions. But following the process of depositing to the bank, then buy crypto, deposits and withdraw. They'll be enough loopholes already before the money gets successfully laundered. Even the gold sellers launder money through. They send gold in return to the recipient. That's money laundering. The person can sell his gold and get transfer to his bank or even cash.
Any possible paths or ways could really be that make use to launder money and this isnt only on means of gambling but also in other methods or ways itself.It is really just that been part in todays society and completely stopping with these kind of transactions seems to be that impossible. This is why governmetn did really impose such laws and regulations with these businesses yet they do know that making transactions
and bypassing up big amounts wont really be that hard into this area on which its not shocking that they would really be targeting out on getting a good hold with this industry.


There had been many edits in wiki that are suspicious even though the word Recession was edited to make it look like we are not experiencing it. If they added gambling being an illicit activity then the government itself is committing it since they have been promoting gambling like the state-sponsored lottery.

It will not be surprising one day gambling will be prohibited in countries that once allowed it. After all even today gambling is being frowned upon.


On of the things that i do always look out with any information that i do able to read up on the internet on which not all would really be  that precise in some point or something that
arent proven out which on the time that you do read up something like this then its always been that ideal that assessing out such manner is needed.
You would be the ones neither you would really be believing or not with those informations that had been read on.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on October 24, 2023, 09:02:42 PM
I would say it depends on the country where you reside. I have heard in the news about countries where it is illegal to gamble.
Australia is one good example, and some measures where said to be put in place like limiting credit card usage for gambling and others.
Gambling is very frowned upon by some religions and states/jurisdiction. It doesn't however totally annual the activities of gambling, it's just that it isn't a recognized activity because of the ills of addiction and spending habits associated with it obviously.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: rhomelmabini on October 24, 2023, 09:03:09 PM
So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
If it's illegal then it should be known that it comes from illicit activities, I think partly in most economies there should be some money that really exist from illicit activities. It's easy to tell that there's an illegal and a legal gambling and that's really distinguishable if it's an illicit or not and I don't think I would just trust Wikipedia for all of the answers, they're somewhat limited.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: SamReomo on October 24, 2023, 09:12:27 PM
Gambling isn't an illicit activity by itself but when gamblers use laundered money for the purpose of gambling then that makes it an illicit activity. The online gambling isn't like the tradition gambling where gamblers had to carry out cash in order to gamble. These days it's much easier for gamblers to transfer crypto-currencies into their casino's wallet address and they are good to go. In fact such form of gambling is allowed in many countries and governments doesn't really care much about the ones who do online gambling.

Any activity that involves use of money in order to gain profits can be illicit or legitimate and it depends on the users that how they consider such activities. If the users who wrote that Wikipedia article consider gambling as an illicit activity then that's their opinion about gambling however if gambling done for entertainment and it's done without any harm then it's not worth to consider it as an illicit activity.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Hispo on October 24, 2023, 09:16:44 PM
I think whoever edited that Wikipedia article did it in the context of gambling being an activity which is highly taxable in the United States of America.
So if you managed to hit a jackpot in a casino or win a significant amount of money because of your gambling sessions, you may feel uncomfortable with having to pay big taxes because of the place you live in.
Some may even be tempted into councealing the origin of that money, as a way to avoid taxes.

Or perphaps, the author of the article wanted to mean the specific case of countries where gambling is explicitly illegal, it comes to mind Saudi Arabia and other Republics governed under the Sharia law.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: goxcraft on October 24, 2023, 09:26:23 PM
It depends on where you live and how much you are willing to gamble. When the amount is big, many question arises if that black money or not. Where I live, it's totally fine to gamble as long as you can prove that the money you are using isn't from any illegal source. But in some countries, gambling is totally prohibited. That doesn't mean people aren't gambling, and when they do, it's considered illicit. Most of the time, gambling is used as a money lundering method. So, yeah, it is illicit in a way, but not totally. Different places have different laws. There isn't any universal law to determine if it's illicit or not.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Slow death on October 24, 2023, 09:36:54 PM
This wikipedia should have stricter criteria to avoid spreading misinformation, in my country the game is legal and just like in many countries the game is legal. So you can't keep saying that gambling is illegal when it is something visible to anyone who does research and will see that there are many countries where gambling is legal. and it cannot be said that money laundering is the process of hiding money that comes from gambling, this would mean that people who play in the casino would not be able to withdraw money to the bank and for that they would have to take the money physical and then lie that it was money earned from other businesses

but we see people playing in physical casinos and who also put their casino winnings in the bank, so this definition that is on wikipedia is a lie, they are distorting the truth, I hope someone reports this so it can be erased and they put a true definition and Don't demonize gambling, I don't know why the person who wrote this definition on Wikipedia was lying, but I hope this type of thing doesn't happen frequently. unfortunately in some countries and people they don't like gambling and they blame gambling for everything wrong that happens to them, I remember that 15 years ago I saw people from my country with this bad behavior


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Finestream on October 24, 2023, 09:46:50 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
Yes, gambling will always be an illicit activity for majority of the people, most especially in countries where they banned gambling in order to control the people that get into gambling addiction. But for some countries who are very open to gambling activities as long as they are done in regulated casinos, then gambling is already legal and gamblers would not be prohibited to gamble at all legal casinos.

Maybe what is meant in the Wikipedia  is that gambling will also be an illicit activity if it's done illegally.  But if someone does it because the country certainly approves gambling, then I don't think gambling at this certain country is still considered an illicit activity.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Rruchi man on October 24, 2023, 09:49:31 PM
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An activity is only illicit because the government calls it so. If activities like drug trafficking, human trafficking, bribery etc. are no longer considered illicit by the government, people will think of it as such too because the government plays a big role in shaping the opinion of the society and how people see things even without them knowing.

Gambling is illicit only in places where their government consider it an illicit activity. In other places, it is an activity for fun.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on October 24, 2023, 09:52:21 PM
So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.
No... That's actually what they meant.. it's one of the ways to syphon cash  and enhance money laundering... It's been perceived that way and that's exactly why alot of countries have banned globally recognized casinos, and have created thiers specially on Thier close monitoring... With that, money laundering is curbed in the said countries - atleast through gambling!
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Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?
They didn't .

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Accardo on October 24, 2023, 10:04:28 PM
Gambling is not necessarily an illicit activity, although it's connected to such due to the possibility of money laundering. That's why casinos often have this rule that you cannot withdraw deposited funds when you don't wager at least 1x of your original amount. It prevents money laundering somewhat, because it poses a risk to the perpetrator by hindering them to deposit and dip out with the funds by withdrawing.

It's important to know that business consists of the black market. Where illegal products are being controlled officially. Casino could be used to launder money. Not just on the player's end. They may be doing the KYC stuff and trying to stop players from laundering money, to keep the eyes of the government away from them. Underground trades can occur between the officials of the casino and some underworld organizations to move a huge sum of money. Which profit can change forever the welfare of the casino and it's workers.  Most offline casino owners, we see, always live a large and luxurious lifestyles. Owning different properties. The casino expose them to numerous wealthy men. Not all, do legal businesses. The owner of the casino can also get offers from the illegal business men to help them launder money. These things happen underground, it's not about us, the players. Hence from the definition and the collocation of gambling and money launderings. It still shows how cheek and jowl the both are in the eyes of the government. Who have numerous times figured out that casinos are being used to launder money. Remember that money laundering is mainly in cash. If it goes through the bank, it's easily traceable. Thinking of players as the money launderers is quite wrong. Because players deposit in different form, like through cryptocurrency. They have exposed IDs held by the casino for the Government. A money launderer that thinks of executing his task by depositing and withdrawing his funds after wagering some amounts, is not the kind of money launderer the government is searching for. The underground businesses have nothing to do with the bank. That's why they launder money into banks through a one time transfer. From the casino. The bank won't ask the recipient much questions. But following the process of depositing to the bank, then buy crypto, deposits and withdraw. They'll be enough loopholes already before the money gets successfully laundered. Even the gold sellers launder money through. They send gold in return to the recipient. That's money laundering. The person can sell his gold and get transfer to his bank or even cash.
Any possible paths or ways could really be that make use to launder money and this isnt only on means of gambling but also in other methods or ways itself.It is really just that been part in todays society and completely stopping with these kind of transactions seems to be that impossible. This is why governmetn did really impose such laws and regulations with these businesses yet they do know that making transactions
and bypassing up big amounts wont really be that hard into this area on which its not shocking that they would really be targeting out on getting a good hold with this industry.

Unless the escape goat decides to turn himself in, they would be no catch. Most of the arrested and jailed money launderers, chose jail. Maybe to escape from a bigger trouble or go solve a bigger dispute. People think differently, but we do think everyone thinks just like we do. Every story consists of both sides. Most money laundering activities we here of imprisoned participants. The mistake comes within themselves. Maybe a dispute or long term agreements that may have been breached. Secrets too could lead them to submit to the government agencies. Because the methods of such transaction would rarely be known, without an internal issue. Even in the news I see more of embezzlers being arrested than launderers. They may have done the business to avoid tax or other things. Hence, the government administered the law so that whenever anyone is caught, and found victim, they'll go in for it. And serve the state. Many industries and transactions go on unknown. Despite the equipment and technologies used by law enforcement agencies to trace people's information. It's still difficult for them to get the money laundering practitioners. The underground economy would have been dwindled by the government long ago. If not for the organizations and rules controlling these people. While they target such industries, it'll be difficult to get hold of such industry. The government benefits through games like gambling. So, they may not target with much energy towards an endless and fruitless investigation


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: maydna on October 24, 2023, 10:10:45 PM
Gambling is an activity that provides pleasure, but certain people use gambling as a place to launder money from their illegal activities. This makes the government try to control casinos so they are not used for illegal activities. The government also asked casinos to implement policies to carry out KYC on their members, including those suspected of carrying out illegal activities.

With the rise of this illegal activity and the use of gambling, the government is increasingly wary of money laundering, which can occur in many activities, including gambling. However, gambling is not an illicit activity because some countries allow gambling, and there are no money laundering activities in those casinos because of government inspections.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: mvdheuvel1983 on October 24, 2023, 10:33:53 PM
Please check this out and share your thoughts.
My thoughts is that gambling should be done responsibly  and should be done by kids who have no reason to gamble.

If should be able to tells kids about the dangers of gatting addicted to gambling. They are all the fun things to do aside gambling. If you are not having fun, then you are addicted. This is a good sign for gambling addiction and they need help urgently.

As per illicit, it is not illicit unless you are trying to cheat the casinos or the casino is a terrible one and it is trying to cheat the customers knowing that they cannot do anything like report them the gambling regulatory authorities.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: acroman08 on October 24, 2023, 10:46:03 PM
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So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

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Please check this out and share your thoughts.
this is just my pure and personal opinion, the act of gambling is not and should not have been considered an "illicit activity", gambling is just an activity for a lot of people to enjoy and hope to win money, but since gambling is a popular(and to be honest, I think also successful) activity to be used by criminals for money laundering, the government/society has deemed it to be almost always connected to illegal activities.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: robelneo on October 24, 2023, 10:59:49 PM
As for my research, the term illicit generally refers to something that is not legally permitted. Gambling, in many jurisdictions, is not an illicit activity as long as it is regulated by the government or other authorized bodies. However, unregulated or unauthorized gambling can be considered illicit. Here in our country, for example, gambling isn’t entirely illegal. There are forms of gambling that are authorized by the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR). However, any form of gambling not authorized by PAGCOR is considered illegal. Laws such as Republic Act (R.A) 9287 denounce illegal number games and serve as the country’s law against illicit online gambling.

https://justicesnows.com/illegal-gambling-in-philippines/


I remember online cock fighting was then legal in our country it was so popular and it was so new to the masses that those who are into arena cockfighting become its followers and players but compared to cockpit cock fighting there is a time limit and there's allowed days to hold cockfighting compared to online cockfighting where you can do it 24/7 and because of this so many players lose their money, became compulsive gamblers, cockfighting was ordered to be stopped even though it's bringing millions of pesos to the government every month, so from being legal because it was regulated and was licensed by the government it becomes an illicit activity.

So the government is the one who defines what is legal and illicit activity what is legal now in your country could become illegal and considered illicit activity based on how your government defines it.

I don't totally believe in Wikipedia because all entries on their page are editable and those who contributed may not know all the facts about a given subject, so when it comes to what is illicit and what is not, check how your government defines it based on their by-laws.




Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Wiwo on October 24, 2023, 11:07:03 PM
I think whoever edited that Wikipedia article did it in the context of gambling being an activity which is highly taxable in the United States of America.
So if you managed to hit a jackpot in a casino or win a significant amount of money because of your gambling sessions, you may feel uncomfortable with having to pay big taxes because of the place you live in.
Some may even be tempted into councealing the origin of that money, as a way to avoid taxes.

Or perphaps, the author of the article wanted to mean the specific case of countries where gambling is explicitly illegal, it comes to mind Saudi Arabia and other Republics governed under the Sharia law.
The author may have want to give a generally bad notion of gambling,  taking it entirely out of context and also making it look as if getting involved in gambling equals money laundering since he points out gambling to be one of the many examples of money laundering acts.

Furthermore, we should know that Wikipedia is edited randomly and sometimes,  the information written there is nearly accurate, just like in this case,  because we have many countries where gambling is regulated and licensed which means the government have adopted it just like every other taxable activity.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: lionheart78 on October 24, 2023, 11:31:49 PM
Gambling being an illicit activity depends on which country you are.  It will be illicit to countries that is against gambling and ban any gambling activities while in countries where gambling is legal, it is not considered an illicit thing.

The definition tells exactly how a thing becomes illicit;

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il·lic·it
/i(l)ˈlisət/
adjective
forbidden by law, rules, or custom.

Since to some countries, gambling is legal, they consider it not an illicit activity even when money laundering is rampant in that country.  In short, the illicit activity there is money laundering but not gambling. 

In conclusion, whether gambling is illicit or not is subjective.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: 0t3p0t on October 24, 2023, 11:45:27 PM
It actually depends on various factors. However, it is safe to say that gambling can pose significant risks and should be approached with caution. Legal regulation and responsible gambling practices can help mitigate these risks and ensure that gambling remains a form of entertainment rather than a harmful addiction.

This is really up to us on how we deal with gambling and also the regulation we have in a country we are in. In third world countries illegal gambling is more common and has huge effects in the peace and order within the community.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: PX-Z on October 24, 2023, 11:45:31 PM
Usually it's about religion why gambling is usually banned on these countries, example muslims. Casinos are not common on muslim countries, but there are some exceptions for some reasons. Second its morality, since gambling causes addiction, mental illness that is not easy to cure i dont know even if its curable debt, corruption.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Darker45 on October 25, 2023, 12:03:23 AM
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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

I guess the point of Wikipedia is that illicit gambling is one of those activities from which the money made will have to go through the process of laundering to make it appear as if it's made legitimately.

That's not saying that gambling itself is illicit. That's simply saying there's illicit gambling, which we all know, and whatever money that comes out of it, just like money coming out from other crimes like drug trafficking, corruption, and so on, needs to be processed to make it clean.

There's illicit gambling everywhere and then there's legal, licensed gambling.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: alegotardo on October 25, 2023, 01:41:39 AM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

Quote
Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

I disagree!

In fact, there is a very "close" connection between them, as casinos can be used to give dirty money a legal appearance. An example: a public official/politican who receives thousands of dollar as a result of corruption can justify the amount as resulting from fictitious winnings in the game of roulette. To do this, simply take the illicit resources to the casino, buy chips from other players (at a premium) without betting on any specific game, and present them to the cashier, claiming to have won such amounts. The money received will appear to be legal, because it was “won” in games on site. It is no surprise that international entities, such as the FATF, publish recommendations for public authorities to pay attention to the facilities that casinos can offer to conceal dirty money.

But, this doesn't mean that such establishments will always be an oasis for money laundering. There are countries that live with the exploitation of gambling and have developed, over time, interesting mechanisms to prevent casinos and the like from being used to clean resources of criminal origin. There are recommendations for such establishments to create and maintain customer records, track player activity (for example, to identify whether they actually play or acquire chips in another way), avoid cash transactions, and so on ;)


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: electronicash on October 25, 2023, 04:32:19 AM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

Quote
Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

I disagree!

In fact, there is a very "close" connection between them, as casinos can be used to give dirty money a legal appearance. An example: a public official/politican who receives thousands of dollar as a result of corruption can justify the amount as resulting from fictitious winnings in the game of roulette. To do this, simply take the illicit resources to the casino, buy chips from other players (at a premium) without betting on any specific game, and present them to the cashier, claiming to have won such amounts. The money received will appear to be legal, because it was “won” in games on site. It is no surprise that international entities, such as the FATF, publish recommendations for public authorities to pay attention to the facilities that casinos can offer to conceal dirty money.

But, this doesn't mean that such establishments will always be an oasis for money laundering. There are countries that live with the exploitation of gambling and have developed, over time, interesting mechanisms to prevent casinos and the like from being used to clean resources of criminal origin. There are recommendations for such establishments to create and maintain customer records, track player activity (for example, to identify whether they actually play or acquire chips in another way), avoid cash transactions, and so on ;)

like Las Vegas?
whether the money that circulates there are among those being laundered the government doesn't seem to want to look on it. you rarely hear news about money laundering in vegas. the country needs the money that comes from casinos, otherwise, it won't survive, it depends on the gambling tourists. this is not just in nevada but all other countries as well where casinos are thriving.

if the government really deemed them to be illicit, they would have caught those people red-handed. and i mean people are more afraid of IRS than the police if they just audit their money in and out it will be horrifying to own a casino.  the fine line between what the government considers illicit and allowed is greyed by money.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: HelliumZ on October 25, 2023, 04:38:43 AM
Usually it's about religion why gambling is usually banned on these countries, example muslims. Casinos are not common on muslim countries, but there are some exceptions for some reasons. Second its morality, since gambling causes addiction, mental illness that is not easy to cure i dont know even if its curable debt, corruption.
Casinos and gambling are also legalized in predominantly Muslim countries, but gambling has been outlawed by parliament in most Muslim countries. There is no problem here the problem is day by day the young generation is becoming addicted to casino and gambling and there is massive moral degradation. Apart from the human degeneration of the youth, heinous crimes like theft, robbery, murder and rape are being organized.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Suzume on October 25, 2023, 05:07:41 AM
Gambling is an illegal work or profession in our nation. It's banned in our nation because of gabbling there is possibility to lost his amount of money and there is a londaring money from our country. Few months ago or the period share I don't remember accurately but there is a legal gambling shop in our country its banded because of the illegal work. They have proper licence for gambling but they didn't follow the rules which mention in the agreement. That's the reason government force to banned the caseno. The owner of the casino lounder a huge amount of money from Bangladesh. After that the government close the casino and full feel banned in our country.

Beside you can see America Australia exit country has officially launch casino etc for gambling. Gambling is not illegal game in this type of countries the government of the countries are officially announced gambling is a game which is legal in our country. The ban of gambling is depend on a nation where you live.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: piebeyb on October 25, 2023, 05:17:06 AM
Beside you can see America Australia exit country has officially launch casino etc for gambling. Gambling is not illegal game in this type of countries the government of the countries are officially announced gambling is a game which is legal in our country. The ban of gambling is depend on a nation where you live.
As we know, each person has different views regarding gambling as a prohibited activity because I know that not everyone considers it a prohibited activity, especially in countries where it is legal, gambling which is considered a prohibited activity may be in countries which really consider gambling to be illegal so it will continue to be mark it as a prohibited activity and everyone concerned will be subject to criminal penalties.

Talking about why gambling can be called a prohibited activity because they could be a place for money laundering if it is not strictly protected by law so that some gambling sites can violate existing laws and also comply with the law, but there are also those who do not consider it a place for money laundering and there are also those who think it is just a game entertainment activity for fun so everything seems legal.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: ryzaadit on October 25, 2023, 05:35:45 AM
Well, the reality.

Gambling is the easy way to laundry money, If you see various information. The money flow from gambling, sometimes are not being quistioned that's why people who want to laundry money sometimes choosing (CASINO) business.

As the user, to prevent these casino make us 1x wagering for each deposit.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Kakmakr on October 25, 2023, 06:08:37 AM
You have to understand how money laundering work, before you can understand why people use gambling to launder money. So, the idea behind money laundering are to legitimize dirty money and to bring it into the legal Banking system, so that it can be used.

So, you mix the dirty money that are derived from criminal activities, with "clean" money that are received from real or fake businesses ...so that it can be seen as "clean" money by the Fiat financial system. These criminals will use gambling operations to do this and they will even operate unregulated casinos to launder their dirty money.

So not all gambling operations are unregulated and most of them are regulated and they require KYC verification and implement complex software to detect money laundering activities.  ;)


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: letteredhub on October 25, 2023, 06:49:55 AM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
Gambling is found in that definitional context of money laundering because it's illegality is based on jurisdictional laws. In some societies mostly those of the Arabs the law frowns against gamble making it an illegal activity for people to engage in and if caught or any money found with you gotten from gambling could be referred as illicit money more like money laundering because you're concealing the source of the money. But this doesn't apply in places like Las Vegas or Australia where gambling is viewed and accepted almost by all as a recreational activity that comes with reward. So it's for places like this that op you couldn't find anywhere where Wikipedia made mention of gambling as an illicit active directly defined.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Outhue on October 25, 2023, 07:24:47 AM
That is why gambling sites want their players to wager first before they can get out. It's because of this kind of activity that some people would like to wash their money through them and just get out with the same money as they deposited. I think that's the term for it "washed money". They need to clean it up especially if those bills are marked or should've been listed somewhere else.
There's a movie about this "Den of Thieves" where the money they will try to steal are those that will be shredded and so it is clean money. It's not about gambling but it's a good explanation of why people are trying to wash their money and the evil ones trying to get the cash that is already in circulation in exchange for their unclean ones.
Gambling is illegal if not registered in one country because there's no way they can regulate it and if cash is flowing there without the government tracking it then they might arrest innocent people who will be holding those illegal money without knowledge about it.
Nice write up legend, I believe this point is all about casinos that have locations, there is no form of clean cash or dirty money when you are running or using a online casino, correct me if I am wrong?

Been fairly and safely treated is one of the reasons why online casinos must be regulated and also all online casinos must be compliant with the laws of their operation jurisdiction and they must also engage in ethical practices.

This is why I don't have trust in online casinos that aren't regulated and one of the ways I sometimes suspect a casino is when they don't ask for KYC at all, it's hard for the law to stop rouge online casinos but as the customers we also need to remember how important it is to use a regulated casino instead, it's for our own safety.

A rouge online casino is more likely to be involved in illegal activities more than those online casinos that are regulated.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: michellee on October 25, 2023, 07:59:49 AM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
Gambling is found in that definitional context of money laundering because it's illegality is based on jurisdictional laws. In some societies mostly those of the Arabs the law frowns against gamble making it an illegal activity for people to engage in and if caught or any money found with you gotten from gambling could be referred as illicit money more like money laundering because you're concealing the source of the money. But this doesn't apply in places like Las Vegas or Australia where gambling is viewed and accepted almost by all as a recreational activity that comes with reward. So it's for places like this that op you couldn't find anywhere where Wikipedia made mention of gambling as an illicit active directly defined.
In some countries, gambling can be interpreted as a illicit activity by the people so that people who gamble can be punished according to the penalties in that country. But that doesn't make gambling a prohibited activity in other countries because if the country accepts gambling as entertainment, people can gamble whenever they want.

But indeed, gambling can be a place to launder money like in other places. Especially if someone uses crypto to bet, they can buy crypto in many places, use it to gamble and when they win, they withdraw the money. The government will not know about this unless the government can work together with all parties to monitor suspect accounts.

So it depends on the position of the country. How the country considers gambling and if the country allows its people to gamble, that means gambling is not an illicit activity.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: len01 on October 25, 2023, 08:24:04 AM
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maybe there will be some of the same opinions but after reading from the site I understand that the reason the site says gambling is one of the prohibited activities depends on the particular country. for example, a country prohibits gambling businesses or any gambling activities that have been stipulated in the laws of that country. so the opinions written on the site do not cover the entire country but for certain countries where gambling is prohibited.
for me gambling is just an entertainment activity in certain states that allow gambling businesses and gambling activities so there is a misunderstanding in the writing of the site because it does not explain in detail.

and if someone gambles using money resulting from corruption, this does not mean that gambling is prohibited activity, it just means that gambling is victim of money laundering.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: letteredhub on October 25, 2023, 09:04:52 AM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
Gambling is found in that definitional context of money laundering because it's illegality is based on jurisdictional laws. In some societies mostly those of the Arabs the law frowns against gamble making it an illegal activity for people to engage in and if caught or any money found with you gotten from gambling could be referred as illicit money more like money laundering because you're concealing the source of the money. But this doesn't apply in places like Las Vegas or Australia where gambling is viewed and accepted almost by all as a recreational activity that comes with reward. So it's for places like this that op you couldn't find anywhere where Wikipedia made mention of gambling as an illicit active directly defined.
In some countries, gambling can be interpreted as a illicit activity by the people so that people who gamble can be punished according to the penalties in that country. But that doesn't make gambling a prohibited activity in other countries because if the country accepts gambling as entertainment, people can gamble whenever they want.
 
what I can say about people living in those countries that gambling is prohibited by the law as illegal they should as well avoid gambling while they're still there, they can always gamble when they get to another state or country where gambling is allowed to exist. I understand it won't be that easy to avoid particularly for an activity you feel entertained with but as to stay away from trouble.

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But indeed, gambling can be a place to launder money like in other places. Especially if someone uses crypto to bet, they can buy crypto in many places, use it to gamble and when they win, they withdraw the money. The government will not know about this unless the government can work together with all parties to monitor suspect accounts.

So it depends on the position of the country. How the country considers gambling and if the country allows its people to gamble, that means gambling is not an illicit activity.
Recently, online gambling has now turned to a route through which drug barons, traffickers, corrupt politicians etc conceal and launder money to hide from being caught it is for this argumentation that governments of some countries place a ban on gambling within their jurisdiction. However, for the revenue the gambling generates to government some countries decides to regulate and monitor it's activities and operation while they pay tax to government.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Odohu on October 25, 2023, 09:28:39 AM
Casinos and gambling are also legalized in predominantly Muslim countries, but gambling has been outlawed by parliament in most Muslim countries. There is no problem here the problem is day by day the young generation is becoming addicted to casino and gambling and there is massive moral degradation.
There is no problem with gambling in my country from the legal standpoint. However, many parents and a good percentage of the society sees gamblers as unserious people who have no plans for their future. The attitude of some gamblers actually support this claim but a lot of responsible gamblers are springing up every now and then and thanks to social media that made it possible for people to know that a lot of celebrities and big names also participate in gambling.

Apart from the human degeneration of the youth, heinous crimes like theft, robbery, murder and rape are being organized.
On the contrary, gambling actually reduces these problems in my country.  The most vital ingredient in life is hope... that is exactly what gambling does. Youths now have hope that they can actually win life changing amount hence, they don't see the need joining gang of thieves when they actually have hope of a better life.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Strongkored on October 25, 2023, 10:06:48 AM
Please check this out and share your thoughts.
It could be that the authors of the definitions of money laundering and gambling are different people so there is a difference where in money laundering gambling is considered of An Illicit activity whereas the definition of gambling does not mention this, and in fact, we cannot 100% consider what is displayed on Wikipedia as the definition or reference is correct and it is necessary to read other references, although many authors on Wikipedia use references that are quite accurate.
However, gambling is indeed An Illicit activity in many countries, some directly prohibit their citizens from carrying out this activity, but there are also those who only try to limit it by making laws about gambling, and in fact, gambling has been around for a long time and any country will find it difficult to completely eradicate this activity full and sometimes the state takes advantage of this activity by collecting taxes.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: rachael9385 on October 25, 2023, 11:03:46 AM
In my country gambling is not an illegal activity, I can tell that the gambling industries are doing well and most of the gambling industries are been owned by the government but it is not openly known to some persons.
The only thing that the government is against is an illegal gambling activity or if found in a very bad place and gamble then the otherwise.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: wallet4bitcoin on October 25, 2023, 11:51:33 AM
I don't consider gambling an illicit acctivity but at customary levels, it might be, owing to an experience that might have had a bad implication to the gambler's immediate environment prompting the rurals to take some disciplinary measure and also a proactive measure to keep such events from further occurences.

Asides this consideration, once its done responsibly, it shouldn't be seen as an illicit engagement.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: michellee on October 26, 2023, 07:40:05 AM
what I can say about people living in those countries that gambling is prohibited by the law as illegal they should as well avoid gambling while they're still there, they can always gamble when they get to another state or country where gambling is allowed to exist. I understand it won't be that easy to avoid particularly for an activity you feel entertained with but as to stay away from trouble.
But even so, there are still those in countries where gambling is prohibited who force themselves to gamble and use many methods to keep gambling. These people seem to have experienced the pleasures of gambling so when they see gambling was banned in their country, they lost something. They will try to gamble again so they can feel the pleasure.

But it's better if they don't try to gamble if the state prohibits it. It will keep them out of trouble, especially when there are checks from the government. So whether gambling is an illicit activity or not depends on the country.

Recently, online gambling has now turned to a route through which drug barons, traffickers, corrupt politicians etc conceal and launder money to hide from being caught it is for this argumentation that governments of some countries place a ban on gambling within their jurisdiction. However, for the revenue the gambling generates to government some countries decides to regulate and monitor it's activities and operation while they pay tax to government.
In the end, the state needs taxes from the gambling industry even though they know there are illegal activities carried out in the gambling industry. And money launderers can continue to use gambling as a place to launder money. And even though they have to pay the taxes, that's nothing for the money launderers. After all, they have a lot of money.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: wiss19 on October 26, 2023, 08:29:40 AM
If it is in an area where gambling operations are prohibited, such as in Muslim countries, perhaps the money obtained from gambling can be said to be money resulting from illicit activity. However, if it comes from a place that allows casino operations, it cannot be said to be money from illicit activity, because the regulations clearly allow gambling activities in that area. So depending on the location, gambling can be said to be an illicit activity or not.
No, you can't even start playing if you are from those countries or if that is your religion. The profits you are talkin about there might come if we are playing on an illegal casino. In the other hand, if we are a launderer, we can mix the money in a legal casino for it to be called as a clean money.

Regulatory bodies can allow a gambling company if they are fit on their standards. If not, not. But sometimes those operators are hard-headed and still operate their casino making them tagged as illegal. We shouldn't support them even though they offer some games which are not found in a legal casino because they are risky and we might also get involved in trouble.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: swogerino on October 26, 2023, 08:32:32 AM
That depends only on the constitution of different countries,in dictatorships you will see that almost everything is forbidden including gambling while in Western democracies is like it should be,everything should be available and legally regulated and then it depends only on the individuals if they want to do it or not,simple choice.

As for money laundering sure it can be used to do just that but there are a whole lot more better alternatives to money laundering than gambling,gambling is risky and you are not in control of your money in theory at least as the casino manages your balance,for any reason may be problems,where I live they say there is no better way to money laundering than real estate and construction.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: angrybirdy on October 26, 2023, 08:41:44 AM
In my country gambling is not an illegal activity, I can tell that the gambling industries are doing well and most of the gambling industries are been owned by the government but it is not openly known to some persons.
The only thing that the government is against is an illegal gambling activity or if found in a very bad place and gamble then the otherwise.
Same in our country, Gambling is not considered as an illegal activity however there are some casino companies that are illegal, they are the ones who don't pay the proper taxes and illegal activities such as human trafficking, selling drugs and prostitution are involved not just the gambling itself... Gambling could be seen as morally acceptable if it helps us to develop positive character traits such as self control and discipline. Those People who see gambling as an illicit activity are the one who always look on it's disadvantages. Even the bible doesn't called gambling as a sin


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 26, 2023, 09:08:40 AM
In my country gambling is not an illegal activity, I can tell that the gambling industries are doing well and most of the gambling industries are been owned by the government but it is not openly known to some persons.
The only thing that the government is against is an illegal gambling activity or if found in a very bad place and gamble then the otherwise.
Same in our country, Gambling is not considered as an illegal activity however there are some casino companies that are illegal, they are the ones who don't pay the proper taxes and illegal activities such as human trafficking, selling drugs and prostitution are involved not just the gambling itself... Gambling could be seen as morally acceptable if it helps us to develop positive character traits such as self control and discipline. Those People who see gambling as an illicit activity are the one who always look on it's disadvantages. Even the bible doesn't called gambling as a sin
The bible like you said did not explicitly call gambling a sin, and it also did not say gambling is not a sin, personally, i feel that gambling can turn out to be sinful or not sinful, it all depends on how the supposed gambler conduct his or her gambling activities, and the Behavorial pattern or path the gambler choose to follow or tour.

Gambling also is not illegal in my country, i mean, even in some religion that consider gambling to be a sin, like the Muslims, i personally still come across several believers of this religion who gamble, and  coming across that Wikipedia page listing gambling as one of the illicit ways through which money can be laundered got me really confused, as to whether what i and billions of other people have been doing for several years is actually illicit, inappropriate, and, the government does nothing about it? so it all means that that Wikipedia page is actually misleading, gambling should have never be listed among those illicit stuffs they mentioned there.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: letteredhub on October 26, 2023, 04:06:24 PM
what I can say about people living in those countries that gambling is prohibited by the law as illegal they should as well avoid gambling while they're still there, they can always gamble when they get to another state or country where gambling is allowed to exist. I understand it won't be that easy to avoid particularly for an activity you feel entertained with but as to stay away from trouble.
But even so, there are still those in countries where gambling is prohibited who force themselves to gamble and use many methods to keep gambling. These people seem to have experienced the pleasures of gambling so when they see gambling was banned in their country, they lost something. They will try to gamble again so they can feel the pleasure.

But it's better if they don't try to gamble if the state prohibits it. It will keep them out of trouble, especially when there are checks from the government. So whether gambling is an illicit activity or not depends on the country.
hmm there are stubborn people who will always want to outsmart the laws that not in their favour of which I am no support of rule breaking but if they deem fit that it's worth to risk it by gambling still despite the laws in place and are able to conceal it through any method, no problem. Nevertheless, the law has its way of catching up with those persons that thinks they are too smart.

Recently, online gambling has now turned to a route through which drug barons, traffickers, corrupt politicians etc conceal and launder money to hide from being caught it is for this argumentation that governments of some countries place a ban on gambling within their jurisdiction. However, for the revenue the gambling generates to government some countries decides to regulate and monitor it's activities and operation while they pay tax to government.
In the end, the state needs taxes from the gambling industry even though they know there are illegal activities carried out in the gambling industry. And money launderers can continue to use gambling as a place to launder money. And even though they have to pay the taxes, that's nothing for the money launderers. After all, they have a lot of money.
There are states that heavily depends  on gambling taxes to meet up with its annual budgets so even with the laundering racketeering happening within the gambling industry which   they are in tone with they (government) are left with no choice but to let the gambling companies exist and operate because a ban on gambling activities would mean a stop to their taxes they get.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: salad daging on October 26, 2023, 04:16:32 PM
Some countries still call gambling a prohibited activity, especially in countries with the majority of seasons. This is not strange because there will be pros and cons from each of their points of view, it would be easy to say that gambling often involves money laundering. Maybe you have seen the terms and conditions at the casino there is always writing on the prohibition of money laundering etc.

This is not entirely true. There are still other activities that some people use to launder money without having to gamble, maybe they often see how bad things are in gambling which is considered to be a lot of the action there.

If legitimate casinos are unlikely to allow this illicit money laundering, it is clear that any fraudulent activity is prohibited.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Yatsan on October 26, 2023, 04:43:19 PM
In my country gambling is not an illegal activity, I can tell that the gambling industries are doing well and most of the gambling industries are been owned by the government but it is not openly known to some persons.
The only thing that the government is against is an illegal gambling activity or if found in a very bad place and gamble then the otherwise.
Same in our country, Gambling is not considered as an illegal activity however there are some casino companies that are illegal, they are the ones who don't pay the proper taxes and illegal activities such as human trafficking, selling drugs and prostitution are involved not just the gambling itself... Gambling could be seen as morally acceptable if it helps us to develop positive character traits such as self control and discipline. Those People who see gambling as an illicit activity are the one who always look on it's disadvantages. Even the bible doesn't called gambling as a sin
Well technically gambling is an illicist activity especially to countries wherein it is not legal. But given the fact that there are places wherein it is allowe, separates it from drug traffickingand other alike activities. The bible indeed does not mentioned about it but as we all know it would fall under quick way scheme to earn, which is where people associate it with. However, that would be a different thing to discuss given that drug trafficking and other activities which are not morally accepted, are also not. This matter has something to do with separation of church and state wherein gambling is often regarded as illicit simply because it doesn’t comply with government rules. But there are still those which does such as lottery and other casino establishments which quite making it an exception to some places than the reall illegal ones.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: uneng on October 26, 2023, 04:46:48 PM
No, gambling isn't an illegal activity, because in order to gamble, you don't necessarily have to launder money. Money laundering is an illicit practice, gambling isn't. Some people just use gambling as a mean to evade taxes, but that is trackable and people involved on it are punished by authorities accordingly to their jurisdiction by the laundering money crime. Gambling is just a detail and a tool used to commit the crime. If gambling had to be criminalized for that reason, the whole financial system should be criminalized as well, because it's also being used as a tool by criminals to execute their schemes.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Findingnemo on October 26, 2023, 04:48:56 PM
The person who edited may see gambling in that way or he meant something but conveyed it differently due to not proper explanation.

There are two major types of casinos one is regulated and the other is unregulated so in case if someone is gambling and winning rewards then the tax may be deducted from the rewards which is common in fiat-based casinos or if its crypto casino then the reports will be submitted to IRS so user who won money from regulated casino pay taxes for their winnings.

But if the person won money from playing an unregulated casino then the user can hide that income but if he needs to use it for spending then he needs to launder in one or many ways to make it legal.



Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: junder on October 26, 2023, 04:54:20 PM
In my country gambling is not an illegal activity, I can tell that the gambling industries are doing well and most of the gambling industries are been owned by the government but it is not openly known to some persons.
The only thing that the government is against is an illegal gambling activity or if found in a very bad place and gamble then the otherwise.

Indeed, each country has its own rules in terms of gambling, some legalize it and some do not consider gambling as an illegal activity and they will apply the appropriate law to their people who are involved in gambling in their country.

In my opinion, the point is that the state will legalize gambling if there is income to the state itself, for example in terms of tax collection from several casinos that run and are there. That will happen if there are several casinos trying to enter a country, and yes as you said there are also several casinos created by the government if gambling is legalized there, but maybe only a few people know about this information. Honestly, I don't understand the government's reason for legalizing gambling in their country, if we look at it in terms of state revenue then yes it will increase because the tax from gambling is quite large but if we look again about the impact that will be received by the community then I am sure the downturn will dominate, and nothing but it will only make a lot of problems occur in the community and what is very likely is that the crime rate will increase because as we know someone who is addicted to gambling will justify all means just to gamble. So maybe this is one of the reasons why there are several countries that do not legalize gambling in their countries.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Jemzx00 on October 26, 2023, 05:02:11 PM
Same in our country, Gambling is not considered as an illegal activity however there are some casino companies that are illegal, they are the ones who don't pay the proper taxes and illegal activities such as human trafficking, selling drugs and prostitution are involved not just the gambling itself... Gambling could be seen as morally acceptable if it helps us to develop positive character traits such as self control and discipline. Those People who see gambling as an illicit activity are the one who always look on it's disadvantages. Even the bible doesn't called gambling as a sin
Well technically gambling is an illicist activity especially to countries wherein it is not legal. But given the fact that there are places wherein it is allowe, separates it from drug traffickingand other alike activities. The bible indeed does not mentioned about it but as we all know it would fall under quick way scheme to earn, which is where people associate it with. However, that would be a different thing to discuss given that drug trafficking and other activities which are not morally accepted, are also not. This matter has something to do with separation of church and state wherein gambling is often regarded as illicit simply because it doesn’t comply with government rules. But there are still those which does such as lottery and other casino establishments which quite making it an exception to some places than the reall illegal ones.
Gambling is not technically an illicit activity but rather it depends from your country's perspective whether they allow them or not. If they don't, then it is an illicit activity but if they do, then it isn't. Also, gambling isn't specifically noted or mentioned on Bible but rather described it's definition as someone who risks what they have in exchange of something much better or more worth. It can be seen as a bad moral decision to do so which is why gambling is somehow associated with evil deeds due to how people are exposed of their greed.

But yeah, it varies depending who edit that Wikipedia description on how they interpret gambling is as it can also be used in a bad way even if you're on a country who allow gambling activities.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: 348Judah on October 26, 2023, 05:14:28 PM
Gambling is not an illicit activities, but we are the ones that make illicit activities comes out in gambling with our hands, we are expected to gamble as a means of an entertainment, people are expected to enjoy gambling during their leisure free time, those that made gambling a business also were expected to make profits in providing us with adequate gambling activities, but when there are other motives hiden under the normal ways of how gambling should run, we are the ones that are found responsible for that.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: noormcs5 on October 26, 2023, 05:24:48 PM
Gambling is not an illicit activities, but we are the ones that make illicit activities comes out in gambling with our hands, we are expected to gamble as a means of an entertainment, people are expected to enjoy gambling during their leisure free time, those that made gambling a business also were expected to make profits in providing us with adequate gambling activities, but when there are other motives hiden under the normal ways of how gambling should run, we are the ones that are found responsible for that.

Well let's face the facts, gambling casinos are made with the intention of making money from them and they are not made for charity purposes or not even, they are made for to provide fun to the gamblers.
Similarly, the gambler's motive is to earn money and there are very few who are playing only for fun.

However, i do agree that gambling by itself is not an illicit activity. It is only the player's way of gambling and the motive behind their gamble, that makes us believe that it is an illicit activity.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Wiwo on October 26, 2023, 05:33:53 PM
Gambling is not an illicit activities, but we are the ones that make illicit activities comes out in gambling with our hands, we are expected to gamble as a means of an entertainment, people are expected to enjoy gambling during their leisure free time, those that made gambling a business also were expected to make profits in providing us with adequate gambling activities, but when there are other motives hiden under the normal ways of how gambling should run, we are the ones that are found responsible for that.

Well let's face the facts, gambling casinos are made with the intention of making money from them and they are not made for charity purposes or not even, they are made for to provide fun to the gamblers.
Similarly, the gambler's motive is to earn money and there are very few who are playing only for fun.

However, i do agree that gambling by itself is not an illicit activity. It is only the player's way of gambling and the motive behind their gamble, that makes us believe that it is an illicit activity.
As the casino intention is to make money from the gambler through the wagering processes and also the losses,  this is why the casino has what we call house edge,  this house edge makes it possible for the casino to earn a lot of revenue through the losses of the gambler,  and also gamblers on the other hand have to choice and aim to hit a jackpot from the casino.

Most sports bettors from my region,  always carry the mentality of winning millions of dollars with their 50cent staking, which has made it almost impossible for them to ever win but with the little luck experienced by some who have been so lucky to have won an amount that can change the financial life,  this has made is a two ways,  the gamblers vs the casinos either the lose or win.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Kelward on October 26, 2023, 05:35:18 PM
I don't think that it is fair to categorize gambling with drug trafficking and embezzlement, because gambling is a game where you try your luck to win or lose. Whereas drug trafficking and embezzlement are crimes anywhere in the world, so there are no comparison between them and gambling. Even if gambling is illegal in a country, it could be on the ground of morals, not it being an illicit activity. If you call someone a gambler, it could mean that the person is a risk taker, but if you call someone a drug trafficker or an embezzler that means that you're calling the person a criminal. So there meanings are totally different.

Although drug traffickers and people who embezzle money can claim that the source of their enormous wealth is from gambling, because gambling is a place where people can get lucky and became millionaires overnight. It is easy to claim that massive wealth is gotten from gambling and people can easily believe it, unless the individual is investigated.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: AbuBhakar on October 26, 2023, 05:41:05 PM
So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

The article is pertaining to illegal gambling and not licensed casino. There’s a lot of illegal gambling that being use to launder money on different country and most of the owner are Chinese businessmen that usually involves on drugs and human trafficking. Gambling in general is not an illicit activity.

It depends on what type of gambling involves to determine whether it’s illicit or not. Luckily, Most of the crypto casino has licensed to operate which means that we are safe.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Crypto Library on October 26, 2023, 05:56:50 PM
If I share my personal opinion then I will say that it is also not true that money laundering is not done through gambling. In most cases, money launderers try to whiten their black money in online casinos or gambling websites. Although the government of different countries have issued various laws to prevent them, especially kyc verification, moreover, various rules and regulations have already been passed to monitor suspicious transactions by which casinos are not licensed unless certified. Still, sometimes it is seen that many money launderers are doing money laundering through gambling by evading all the rules and regulations, maybe because of this the name of gambling has come up in the book of money laundering in wiki.
Moreover, another thing we have to accept is that the culture of every part of the world is not the same, gambling is considered illegal in different cultures. From that point of view, gambling is an illicit activity in many countries. I think we should also respect that.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 29, 2023, 03:29:03 PM
Usually it's about religion why gambling is usually banned on these countries, example muslims. Casinos are not common on muslim countries, but there are some exceptions for some reasons. Second its morality, since gambling causes addiction, mental illness that is not easy to cure i dont know even if its curable debt, corruption.
Casinos and gambling are also legalized in predominantly Muslim countries, but gambling has been outlawed by parliament in most Muslim countries. There is no problem here the problem is day by day the young generation is becoming addicted to casino and gambling and there is massive moral degradation. Apart from the human degeneration of the youth, heinous crimes like theft, robbery, murder and rape are being organized.

Well actually when it comes to Muslims and their customs, well they are quite radical with what they think, with what they do and how they are going to execute it, I really see that they are very very strict with the issues they have. see their religion, in fact the war is partly because of that, if there is no understanding, wars can occur, and it is something that for us is not so decisive, but for them it is, it is everything from where all the religions that for them is only one and it is quite difficult to start talking or saying things contrary to what they think, because they can easily become enemies, whenever there is this type of discussion it is quite delicate, in terms of people they are things that I avoid Always, as well as the question of gender, we all have a very different position and no one can be forced to think like others, that is what everyone knows, however when we go to the level of gambling in casinos, it is something else. .

When we are in a casino and the prohibitions are obvious, due to religion or something like that, it is something that I don't know, it can be counterproductive because there are many things that should be prohibited, such as the killing of people, bombs, and everything that has to do with it. With war, as long as peace is promoted it is a very good thing, but when the word prohibition or something like that exists, sometimes people interpret it as a lack of freedom, and apparently I also see it that way, things in the world must function for those who want to use it, a casino is simply a means of adult entertainment, which requires that the person be 18 years old or be considered of legal age to be able to enter and play, I don't see anything wrong I contrair everything there, I believe that we all have the right to have fun as we want without asking Andie's permission, but yes, without hurting anyone, as long as things happen that way, I think they are welcome and should see it that way.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: AbuBhakar on October 29, 2023, 03:34:14 PM

When we are in a casino and the prohibitions are obvious, due to religion or something like that, it is something that I don't know, it can be counterproductive because there are many things that should be prohibited, such as the killing of people, bombs, and everything that has to do with it. With war, as long as peace is promoted it is a very good thing, but when the word prohibition or something like that exists, sometimes people interpret it as a lack of freedom, and apparently I also see it that way, things in the world must function for those who want to use it, a casino is simply a means of adult entertainment, which requires that the person be 18 years old or be considered of legal age to be able to enter and play, I don't see anything wrong I contrair everything there, I believe that we all have the right to have fun as we want without asking Andie's permission, but yes, without hurting anyone, as long as things happen that way, I think they are welcome and should see it that way.



This is how you interpret prohibition base on your principles but that doesn’t it will apply to others especially to people with religion. We should respect someone faith since that’s what they believe besides they are not restricting you but rather people that belongs to their religion.

It’s surely restrictive in the eyes of normal people doesn’t have religion but this is holy for those who is belong on their religion so we shouldn’t make a comment like this just to prove our point about freedom because it’s their faith and we should respect them. They might saving some of there member from potential problem by restricting them to play since gambling often cause addiction.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: KTChampions on October 29, 2023, 03:37:11 PM
In addition to the fact that gambling itself is prohibited in many countries, an additional problem is that it is used for money laundering. It is very convenient to explain your “suddenly large” income by saying that you won in a casino or somewhere else. In some countries, they fight this with inadequately high taxes on winnings (while honest gamblers suffer). But in general, in many countries, gambling is an absolutely legal activity, even though there are many scammers and shady schemes (tax evasion and money laundering).


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Gozie51 on October 29, 2023, 03:51:09 PM
Well we know that some people do shit with gambling and that is why sometimes people who gamble are looked down upon as irresponsible and can do any other illicit activities. Apart from this, some countries ban gambling and so to those countries proceed from it is regarded as illegal. Moreover, just like the definition, you can conceal some illegal money in gambling account after which it can be withdrawn probably in the guise of a winning. Gambling itself is not illicit in jurisdiction where it is not banned but it will be regarded as thus and it proceed as such if it is banned.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Docnaster on October 29, 2023, 04:20:43 PM
Well we know that some people do shit with gambling and that is why sometimes people who gamble are looked down upon as irresponsible and can do any other illicit activities. Apart from this, some countries ban gambling and so to those countries proceed from it is regarded as illegal. Moreover, just like the definition, you can conceal some illegal money in gambling account after which it can be withdrawn probably in the guise of a winning. Gambling itself is not illicit in jurisdiction where it is not banned but it will be regarded as thus and it proceed as such if it is banned.
The behavior of many gamblers especially gambling addicts are the reason why many consider gambling as an illicit activity even when it is not when engaged in responsibly. Many fraudsters uses gambling platforms to store money they'll acquired illegally and many stuffs that aren't accepting to the general public. In some regions and countries of the world, gambling is absolutely banned and whoever that gambles in those jurisdictions are doing it illegally.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: macson on October 29, 2023, 05:26:36 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

Quote
Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
in some cases of money laundering, some corruptors deliberately make deposits or collaborate with casino business owners to receive their money, and if they get into trouble, the corruptor will answer that he lost his gamble.  this kind of practice has been going on for a long time and many corruption suspects have done it, gambling is not a prohibited activity, there are many countries that legalize gambling and even some lotteries are handled by the government of a country, if someone says gambling is a prohibited activity then they are gambling haters.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: uneng on October 29, 2023, 05:59:25 PM
In addition to the fact that gambling itself is prohibited in many countries, an additional problem is that it is used for money laundering. It is very convenient to explain your “suddenly large” income by saying that you won in a casino or somewhere else. In some countries, they fight this with inadequately high taxes on winnings (while honest gamblers suffer). But in general, in many countries, gambling is an absolutely legal activity, even though there are many scammers and shady schemes (tax evasion and money laundering).
That is a big issue that governments adopt as measure high taxes on winnings, as it doesn't fight the problem of money laundering and tax evasion back, rather it just makes the whole system unfair for the average gambler who is lucky once in a lifetime to hit a jackpot, and still has to share 30% of his prize or even more with the government. Meanwhile, his losses are only his, and the government doesn't share anything on the other hand, so why do they have to grab the gambler's prize when he wins? For that reason, I understand why some people evade taxes and I don't think they are wrong, because the system, itself, is wrong.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Hispo on October 29, 2023, 06:11:50 PM
In addition to the fact that gambling itself is prohibited in many countries, an additional problem is that it is used for money laundering. It is very convenient to explain your “suddenly large” income by saying that you won in a casino or somewhere else. In some countries, they fight this with inadequately high taxes on winnings (while honest gamblers suffer). But in general, in many countries, gambling is an absolutely legal activity, even though there are many scammers and shady schemes (tax evasion and money laundering).

I don't know about you, but using taxes as  measure to counter money laundering sounds very unfair to me. Because, it makes it sound as the government do not even care punishing honest gamblers because the action of criminals who try to fool the system.
Also, those who use gambling to launder money and other assets are likely not to care to give a government a cut of their "winning" in exchange of getting their money legitimized, due to the high amount of bloody money they likely get from the crime they commit constantly.
On the other hand, imagine winning big in a casino and having the leave a bunch of what you won because some criminals have decided to use your favorite hobby to further fuel their crime syndicate. Very unfair.

If governments were more efficient on getting those shady people, then it would be less of an excuse to continue to keep taxes high, specially in the United States of America. 


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Davidvictorson on October 29, 2023, 06:25:27 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.



Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: |MINER| on October 29, 2023, 06:37:51 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's
proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.
Dude, gambling is not legal everywhere in the world. There are many countries where gambling is a legally punishable crime. If we follow international newspapers, we can see that many people have been arrested for gambling in many countries. But it is not correct that gambling can be called totally illegal just because there are these. Gambling should be considered as a means of entertainment. Although it has a bit of a bad reputation due to money launderers, I think gambling cannot be called an illegal activity except for these simple things.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: South Park on October 29, 2023, 06:50:13 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

Quote
Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
You need to understand that the modern casinos as we know them were created by the Italian Mafia at the US, and while the goal was without a doubt to obtain massive benefits with this new model, at the same time they used casinos to launder money, they did this by simply inflating the numbers, so if they earned 2 million dollars on profits with their casinos they claimed to earn 10 millions, so this allowed 8 millions they have earned illegitimately by selling drugs, weapons or anything illegal to become legal money through the casinos.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Gozie51 on October 29, 2023, 07:23:18 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's


Gambling is celebrated yes but not everywhere. The sports is actually what is celebrated everywhere in the world because of the entertainment in its essense which gives joy but gamblers make it an avenue for making money. Some Muslim countries don't see it as legal because the Quran regard it as a sin because it sees it as chance game to take advantage for money. Anyway, general, religious faithfuls avoid gambling so that is the point.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Juse14 on October 29, 2023, 07:50:10 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.

We cannot deny that in some places gambling is a prohibited activity because it is against existing laws. However, because gambling is enjoyed and done by many people, this makes gambling a very commonplace thing that we often encounter. However, even so, we cannot justify all forms of gambling and in fact what is happening at the moment is that gambling has become an epidemic and an infectious disease among society because many people are addicted to gambling so that in the end it causes complex problems which are the negative impact of gambling. .


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: abel1337 on October 29, 2023, 07:58:12 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.


It depends on the country. There are country who are far more strict than other countries. Money laundering is one of the crimes that can commonly be associated with gambling because of how fast money rotates on a casino and there are a rich history of money laundering of money laundering on casinos. Though I don't think that gambling is an illicit activities. It is depending on what do you think that gambling service is for. Not every gambler had a balls to do it or reason to do it, those who wash their money on the casino are just a very small percentage of those who truly gamble.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Mr.suevie on October 29, 2023, 08:02:49 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's
proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.
Dude, gambling is not legal everywhere in the world. There are many countries where gambling is a legally punishable crime. If we follow international newspapers, we can see that many people have been arrested for gambling in many countries. But it is not correct that gambling can be called totally illegal just because there are these. Gambling should be considered as a means of entertainment. Although it has a bit of a bad reputation due to money launderers, I think gambling cannot be called an illegal activity except for these simple things.
I can tell you of a country where gambling is totally free and legal for that matter and that would be my own country. Nigeria is actually gambling friendly because the government here actually task most of the casino and website operating in the country making it legal so far as the agree or stipulated and requirements are meant, no one will actually arrest you for any gambling activity sometimes it's even strange for person like me seeing all this news about people being arrested for gambling elsewhere since it's not same thing or occurrence in my locality.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Lanatsa on October 29, 2023, 09:54:39 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's
proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.
Dude, gambling is not legal everywhere in the world. There are many countries where gambling is a legally punishable crime. If we follow international newspapers, we can see that many people have been arrested for gambling in many countries. But it is not correct that gambling can be called totally illegal just because there are these. Gambling should be considered as a means of entertainment. Although it has a bit of a bad reputation due to money launderers, I think gambling cannot be called an illegal activity except for these simple things.
I can tell you of a country where gambling is totally free and legal for that matter and that would be my own country. Nigeria is actually gambling friendly because the government here actually task most of the casino and website operating in the country making it legal so far as the agree or stipulated and requirements are meant, no one will actually arrest you for any gambling activity sometimes it's even strange for person like me seeing all this news about people being arrested for gambling elsewhere since it's not same thing or occurrence in my locality.
There are really places in the world on which it would really be that having that kind of impression towards gambling which it is really that attached or can be considered to be an illicit activity or simply they are really that being that in connection into those things which we know that it is really that a bit exaggerated i would say but since they do really have that kind of impressions towards things then there's nothing we can do but to deal up with those kind of inputs or insights on which we know that each of us does have that kind of impression towards gambling.Some would be seeing this to be a fun thing and there are ones who doesnt really like on getting involved with it just because it is really that been attached with those non good things that they've been hearing or believing on.

Since they do have their own minds on whats good and whats bad then just let them be. In overall, it isnt really just that right that we should really be making some generalization on things
specially it wasnt really that always all the time that pertains about money laundering things,tax evasion or something or whatsoever that reasons that could be possibly applied.
There are really just those people who do really love exaggerating kind of approach even if it isnt really that right already.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: BitcoinPanther on October 29, 2023, 09:58:58 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.

Even if it is celebrated in many countries, there are still country that prohibits gambling and even banned them.  This is due to the government being greatly affected by its religion's idealism and law.  With this many people especially on the religious group find gambling as an illicit activity because the group of people believes that people who gambles has no faith in God and instead it enthrones personal desires[1].

So for these group of religion it is an illicit activity because gambling is one of the root why people sin and commit crimes.  But personally, I am neutral about gambling because I think whatever the result, it is the person's decision and is not forced by gambling games to do so.



[1] https://www.christian.org.uk/who-we-are/what-we-believe/gambling-is-wrong/



Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Westinhome on October 29, 2023, 11:35:43 PM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.



The gambling is not the illegal one in the most of the countries,So if your country had come into the illegal activities.So you can’t affect the mindset of the gamblers.The gambling was celebrated in the most of the where the gambling was legal one.So the gambling sites avail e also huge in the country,because few people using the gambling sites for the money laundering activities.Many gambling site had made the compulsory of the kyc because to do the elimination of the money laundering using their sites.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: shogun47 on October 30, 2023, 03:05:56 AM
Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.

It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.

I think this topic is more complex than it looks at first glance, because gambling itself can take place in many different forms. Online, offline in a casino or privately hosted events, which are very often deemed illegal. But I would say that there are probably more sophisticated ways to launder money than doing it with gambling as it doesn't fully solve the question of origin. If out of a sudden there is a million in the bank account, saying that the money comes from a lucky night in a casino may not be enough. There is most likely some plausibility check depending on the amounts of money that someone is turning over in a casino.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Gozie51 on October 30, 2023, 04:47:09 AM
Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.

It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.

I think this topic is more complex than it looks at first glance, because gambling itself can take place in many different forms. Online, offline in a casino or privately hosted events, which are very often deemed illegal. But I would say that there are probably more sophisticated ways to launder money than doing it with gambling as it doesn't fully solve the question of origin. If out of a sudden there is a million in the bank account, saying that the money comes from a lucky night in a casino may not be enough. There is most likely some plausibility check depending on the amounts of money that someone is turning over in a casino.

The point thereto is that gambling is part of the focal points where suspicion is raised about money laundering if there is a huge unusual inflow of money in a gambling account especially where such account is not known with such huge winning in the past.

It is just like such suspicion is raised with btc for being used to conceal money that was meant for other purpose. It is unfortunate this seem to be raising those kinds of issues because money laundering is a crime and whatever means possible, it is checked.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: knowngunman on October 30, 2023, 06:13:56 AM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.

Advert mean celebrated? I guess no. Fine let assume it's being celebrated, does that mean it's legal? Absolutely no. Wider participation or celebration does not validate the legitimacy of something. Take a look at this forum for example, you'll observe that majority of us here believe and adopt bitcoin but does that legalize it outside here? Absolutely no. Sports event advertise gambling because they believe that majority of the viewers are gamblers and they're taking the advantage to draw traffic but that doesn't legalized gambling across the world.

Religiously, gambling is illegal but we are not here to talk about the religious view. However, judging from the harm it has caused to people who are reckless and addicted, and seeing how it has destroyed their lives, one may consider it to be illicit. So I think the answer to that question depends on the angle you're viewing it from.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Z390 on October 30, 2023, 07:10:05 AM
Most casino runners must have down it in the past, I remember a part of China history they are always into gambling years ago, and some of them use their underground gambling dens as passage way to embessle some money and some illegal activities like selling underage girls into prostitution, this was very common at the time, so if you come across any news or blogs saying that gambling is not far from illicit activities they are not lying, it's not about the gamblers but the casino runners.

To say the truth, casinos aren't the only thing people use as passage way to carry out their illicit activities, there was a man in my country who have a big company for making bar soaps and he shipped them out of the country but this company is also into drugs smuggling, his company lasted for a while and I even used part of his product until luck run out of him one day and he was busted.

So it depends on people, if they are bad people they will use any means to carry out their bad operations, and nothing can stop them until they run out of luck, today, it's not that common to see a casino running a criminal ring in a country, and things have changed a lot, now casinos are fully regulated with tight rules and regulations.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: rahmad2nd on October 30, 2023, 07:44:53 AM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)


To be honest, I don't have a global correct answer. However, what is clear is that gambling is not legalized in some countries, especially those that adhere to the beliefs held in that country. for example, the middle east "for now" perhaps after their countries started to open up to the wider world, gambling started to become part of the legal. I think if we refer to Wikipedia, in this case it is traced to the origins and history of gambling itself. Currently, in several countries, especially Asia, gambling is still prohibited and even forbidden. It is not only a matter of indications of money laundering, but also covers everything, especially prohibitions based on religion.

Regarding the information you shared, to be honest, I only read it briefly. because without needing to read it or explain it clearly, we already know it. I think Wikipedia should be revised in important parts. because, it seems like the explanation listed in the link is no longer relevant for all countries. This means that, in this world, gambling has now become legal, especially in developed countries. Even though in fact not all countries in the world legalize gambling, this is due to constitutional law and applies in that country according to the applicable laws and jurisdiction.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: shogun47 on November 01, 2023, 01:48:30 PM
Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.

It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.

I think this topic is more complex than it looks at first glance, because gambling itself can take place in many different forms. Online, offline in a casino or privately hosted events, which are very often deemed illegal. But I would say that there are probably more sophisticated ways to launder money than doing it with gambling as it doesn't fully solve the question of origin. If out of a sudden there is a million in the bank account, saying that the money comes from a lucky night in a casino may not be enough. There is most likely some plausibility check depending on the amounts of money that someone is turning over in a casino.

The point thereto is that gambling is part of the focal points where suspicion is raised about money laundering if there is a huge unusual inflow of money in a gambling account especially where such account is not known with such huge winning in the past.

It is just like such suspicion is raised with btc for being used to conceal money that was meant for other purpose. It is unfortunate this seem to be raising those kinds of issues because money laundering is a crime and whatever means possible, it is checked.

Definitely, and it is also a huge point of contention in general when it taxation comes into play. Many different rulings in different states and I am sure it will never be acknowledged as this perfectly legal income source. When someone says that the Ferarri in the garage or the villa is paid with money from gambling, what is the chance that special requests by the IRS will be sent out and a deep investigation take place? It is most likely going to happen that way. I guess the only ones getting away with "I am rich because of gambling" are those who win these official tournaments at poker and so on, events that are publicly streamed. But other than that money from gambling usually entails the need for explanation.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Blitzboy on November 01, 2023, 04:58:15 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)


To be honest, I don't have a global correct answer. However, what is clear is that gambling is not legalized in some countries, especially those that adhere to the beliefs held in that country. for example, the middle east "for now" perhaps after their countries started to open up to the wider world, gambling started to become part of the legal. I think if we refer to Wikipedia, in this case it is traced to the origins and history of gambling itself. Currently, in several countries, especially Asia, gambling is still prohibited and even forbidden. It is not only a matter of indications of money laundering, but also covers everything, especially prohibitions based on religion.

Regarding the information you shared, to be honest, I only read it briefly. because without needing to read it or explain it clearly, we already know it. I think Wikipedia should be revised in important parts. because, it seems like the explanation listed in the link is no longer relevant for all countries. This means that, in this world, gambling has now become legal, especially in developed countries. Even though in fact not all countries in the world legalize gambling, this is due to constitutional law and applies in that country according to the applicable laws and jurisdiction.
Its interesting to see how different countries' gambling laws are. They really show what their people believe in. Some countries have bans on it because of their culture, religion, or the law. This is especially true in parts of Asia and the Middle East. Thanks for pointing out a problem with Wikipedia's explanation. Its like taking off each layer of an onion only to find a strange center inside. Can the most important parts of gambling laws, which change all the time, fit on one page?

Like I said, your quick look at the facts makes me think theres more to it than meets the eye. The rules of the law are always changing because different countries are either loosening their grip or tightening it. I's almost like Socrates was telling us to question what we think we know when you ask for a rewrite. In the end, do we really understand how big these political mazes are?


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: maydna on November 01, 2023, 09:20:24 PM
So it depends on people, if they are bad people they will use any means to carry out their bad operations, and nothing can stop them until they run out of luck, today, it's not that common to see a casino running a criminal ring in a country, and things have changed a lot, now casinos are fully regulated with tight rules and regulations.
However, there are still underground casinos that can freely run their casinos without any pressure from any party. And that still makes the casino a place for various things related to illegal activities, especially since the media cannot easily expose illegal places. They can really hide themselves well and run their business without the government knowing about it. Perhaps only a few governments know about it, and those governments have corrupt officers protecting such business establishments. Perhaps in the current era, perpetrators of illegal activities have used other methods besides casinos to carry out their illegal activities. After all, we don't really know for sure what is going on.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 02, 2023, 02:30:41 AM

When we are in a casino and the prohibitions are obvious, due to religion or something like that, it is something that I don't know, it can be counterproductive because there are many things that should be prohibited, such as the killing of people, bombs, and everything that has to do with it. With war, as long as peace is promoted it is a very good thing, but when the word prohibition or something like that exists, sometimes people interpret it as a lack of freedom, and apparently I also see it that way, things in the world must function for those who want to use it, a casino is simply a means of adult entertainment, which requires that the person be 18 years old or be considered of legal age to be able to enter and play, I don't see anything wrong I contrair everything there, I believe that we all have the right to have fun as we want without asking Andie's permission, but yes, without hurting anyone, as long as things happen that way, I think they are welcome and should see it that way.



This is how you interpret prohibition base on your principles but that doesn’t it will apply to others especially to people with religion. We should respect someone faith since that’s what they believe besides they are not restricting you but rather people that belongs to their religion.

It’s surely restrictive in the eyes of normal people doesn’t have religion but this is holy for those who is belong on their religion so we shouldn’t make a comment like this just to prove our point about freedom because it’s their faith and we should respect them. They might saving some of there member from potential problem by restricting them to play since gambling often cause addiction.

Yes, obviously I talk about religions, and many other things, they are very delicate topics, but I say it in my own way of expressing myself because it is my personal opinion, sometimes we are guided by things like religion, politics, everything that has to do with it. to develop in every way, that is clear, but we have to believe that things are not good when they cause harm, and casinos are for fun, I understand that there are many who have to stick to their religions, that's fine, I repeat it, but they shouldn't drag everything into that, that's why there are so many wars, because they can't make us think like the others they want, that's something that at least I don't do, and I have my religion, but it's clear that every Religion is just a concept, in fact in my religion they don't establish any religion or anything like that, what I know is that things when they try to hurt or something are just that I will never be right.

When we talk about religions, politics or something like that, it will always be a delicate topic, but points of view and opinions must also be respected, because in the world there are many currents of politics, religions and everything you want. As long as religion and politics or anything that is of one direction does not affect the lives of others, that is what I say, because of religion there is war, do you believe that any God or Supreme Being likes wars? ? no, so for that reason it is that in gambling in casinos you should not mix religions, politics or anything, and with respect to fun I consider that one can have fun as they want, if the religion of a person X says no Well, that's a question, no, that's that person's problem, but I don't think that caisno is a bad act, or that it should be banned. I think there are many countries that already have many internet bans. access to sites, which I think is quite a lot. I say all this with all the respect of all religions.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Zlantann on November 02, 2023, 04:21:35 AM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

Gambling is not the same thing as sports. You can get as much as six months imprisonment or more with flogging for gambling in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia. But the country is one of the biggest spenders on sports and will soon host one of the biggest football events in the world. In some nations, gambling is highly prohibited because is seen as a sinful or immoral activity. And you will never see a gambling advert during any sporting competition within its territory.

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proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.



Bad actors will always use good mediums to carry out unlawful activities. I agree that these money launders are just a few because the majority of gamblers enjoy the activities and make some profit from gambling. People also gamble for many other reasons besides entertainment and money. Therefore gambling laws shouldn't be made stringent because of these few negative actors.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: len01 on November 02, 2023, 07:33:15 AM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

Gambling is not the same thing as sports. You can get as much as six months imprisonment or more with flogging for gambling in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia. But the country is one of the biggest spenders on sports and will soon host one of the biggest football events in the world. In some nations, gambling is highly prohibited because is seen as a sinful or immoral activity. And you will never see a gambling advert during any sporting competition within its territory.

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yep, I've also said this that sometimes in a certain country or city like Saudi Arabia there are rules or laws that prohibit gambling or establishing a gambling business and if it is violated there will be penalties that apply but still gambling will only be a prohibited activity in only certain countries, not globally, and related to gambling advertisements, it seems that if a country has banned any gambling activities, gambling advertisements will also be blocked and we will not find any gambling advertisements.

even if there are such prohibitions and laws that have been determined for me, it does not rule out the possibility that no one will gamble and of course there are still people who gamble secretly, even corruptors in that country have the opportunity to launder money in gambling.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Assface16678 on November 02, 2023, 07:43:55 AM
How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's
proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.
Dude, gambling is not legal everywhere in the world. There are many countries where gambling is a legally punishable crime. If we follow international newspapers, we can see that many people have been arrested for gambling in many countries. But it is not correct that gambling can be called totally illegal just because there are these. Gambling should be considered as a means of entertainment. Although it has a bit of a bad reputation due to money launderers, I think gambling cannot be called an illegal activity except for these simple things.
Gambling itself is not illegal, nor are the games involved in gambling. What makes gambling illegal if the owner of the casino or online casino doesn't have a permit to operate? Or maybe a gambling game built only by normal people is illegal. The OP only mixed up the article by saying that yes, gambling is one of the activities in money laundering, and that's because the one who does the laundering does gambling in secession, like using funds just to gamble; that is what is illegal.

And also, gambling will be considered illegal if a country bans it for a certain reason, but the gambling itself is not illegal; the country just decided to ban it. If gambling is illegal, then why are there existing casinos and online casinos out there? So in short, it's about the country, the permit, or the rule if they make gambling games illegal.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: ethereumhunter on November 02, 2023, 11:27:20 AM
gambling will be considered illegal if a country bans it for a certain reason, but the gambling itself is not illegal; the country just decided to ban it. If gambling is illegal, then why are there existing casinos and online casinos out there? So in short, it's about the country, the permit, or the rule if they make gambling games illegal.
Gambling is not illegal but because there are countries that prohibit it, that makes gambling illegal. But even if gambling is illegal in a country, it doesn't stop people from gambling because they think that gambling is a quick way to make money. Online casinos are not illegal if the country allows gambling and it is true that this depends on each country because that country is the one that permits gambling. If a country prohibits gambling, people should not violate the prohibition lest they be punished for gambling. There must be rules that regulate gambling, whether they legalize it or make gambling illegal.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: God bless u on November 02, 2023, 11:44:47 AM
The gambling is not the illegal one in the most of the countries,So if your country had come into the illegal activities.So you can’t affect the mindset of the gamblers.The gambling was celebrated in the most of the where the gambling was legal one.

In our country gambling is not legal but hence most of the youngest individuals are involved in it. Its obvious that if someone is advising you to not be part of something then your desires will be increase for that thing and other reason is that if you hear that gambling is providing you maximum profit then your feelings will more likely to boost up because money is very important in life.

In those countries where gambling is legal then they take benefits of tax from gambling but for gamblers this field is unusual and unnecessary which only spoil his earned income but return will only distress you. I think people who wants to participate in gambling will not think about legal or illegal activities because they need only money and money is the thing which compelled you to do wrong deeds.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: South Park on November 05, 2023, 06:56:05 PM
The gambling is not the illegal one in the most of the countries,So if your country had come into the illegal activities.So you can’t affect the mindset of the gamblers.The gambling was celebrated in the most of the where the gambling was legal one.

In our country gambling is not legal but hence most of the youngest individuals are involved in it. Its obvious that if someone is advising you to not be part of something then your desires will be increase for that thing and other reason is that if you hear that gambling is providing you maximum profit then your feelings will more likely to boost up because money is very important in life.

In those countries where gambling is legal then they take benefits of tax from gambling but for gamblers this field is unusual and unnecessary which only spoil his earned income but return will only distress you. I think people who wants to participate in gambling will not think about legal or illegal activities because they need only money and money is the thing which compelled you to do wrong deeds.
Very often those that are young do not care at all about the legal status of anything, as long as they feel good while doing it that is all what matters to them, and this can be a very dangerous attitude to have, because on the countries in which gambling is not legalized most of the time those persons will have to take bets at an illegal casino, which is most likely owned by criminals, and once you are in there almost anything could happen.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Westinhome on November 10, 2023, 07:49:05 PM

Gambling is not illegal but because there are countries that prohibit it, that makes gambling illegal. But even if gambling is illegal in a country, it doesn't stop people from gambling because they think that gambling is a quick way to make money. Online casinos are not illegal if the country allows gambling and it is true that this depends on each country because that country is the one that permits gambling. If a country prohibits gambling, people should not violate the prohibition lest they be punished for gambling. There must be rules that regulate gambling, whether they legalize it or make gambling illegal.

Gambling is not the illegal in the many countries,because it generate more economy flow and also control the money flow in the country.The developed countries doesn’t worry about the legalisation of the gambling,because most of the gambler will have enough money for their survive and use the free money for the gambling.If the gambling site was prohibit by the government,nearly 60 percentage of the population will follow the rules blandly.So the government plays the huge role in the gambling movement in that country.But some people the rest 40 percentage doesn’t worry about the government rule on the gambling.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: erep on November 10, 2023, 08:18:25 PM
Gambling is not the illegal in the many countries,because it generate more economy flow and also control the money flow in the country.The developed countries doesn’t worry about the legalisation of the gambling,because most of the gambler will have enough money for their survive and use the free money for the gambling.If the gambling site was prohibit by the government,nearly 60 percentage of the population will follow the rules blandly.So the government plays the huge role in the gambling movement in that country.But some people the rest 40 percentage doesn’t worry about the government rule on the gambling.
Even though the government regulates gambling as a prohibited activity in legislation, the reality is that gambling still operates without being banned by the government, only a few gambling sites have been prosecuted as proof that the government has worked, but big gambling is still operating because many assume that gambling gets its legality from dark spaces. IMO

So regardless of the legality of gambling in each country, there is still population data that is addicted to gambling, in countries that prohibit gambling, it may have a lower percentage of 10-15% susceptible.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Renampun on November 10, 2023, 09:18:16 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

I don't know how Wikipedia works, but from what I've heard, there are several Wikipedia authors who don't often update their writing, from what I've heard, there are quite a lot of officials who launder money through gambling sites, they deliberately deposit a lot of money in it so it's corruption. they smell it, they are not obliged to return the money, they can use the excuse of losing gambling to escape the obligation to return the funds they have stolen.

as long as you don't do bad things in gambling or use bad money to gamble then you don't commit bad actions or Illicit Activity.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Oilacris on November 10, 2023, 09:25:25 PM

Gambling is not illegal but because there are countries that prohibit it, that makes gambling illegal. But even if gambling is illegal in a country, it doesn't stop people from gambling because they think that gambling is a quick way to make money. Online casinos are not illegal if the country allows gambling and it is true that this depends on each country because that country is the one that permits gambling. If a country prohibits gambling, people should not violate the prohibition lest they be punished for gambling. There must be rules that regulate gambling, whether they legalize it or make gambling illegal.

Gambling is not the illegal in the many countries,because it generate more economy flow and also control the money flow in the country.The developed countries doesn’t worry about the legalisation of the gambling,because most of the gambler will have enough money for their survive and use the free money for the gambling.If the gambling site was prohibit by the government,nearly 60 percentage of the population will follow the rules blandly.So the government plays the huge role in the gambling movement in that country.But some people the rest 40 percentage doesn’t worry about the government rule on the gambling.
It would be considered to be illicit because it do becomes a tool for money laundering and other correlated transactions on which it would really be that resulting into these kind of illegal activities.
This is they the community would really be having that kind of impression without even trying out to realize that its been long time that fiat money had already been that something like this.
It is really just that there are people who are really that kind of conclusive approach basing up on their initial impressions towards gambling. They wont really be that making themselves
that be trying out to be open minded whether its been a sole reason or just basically on being a tool. We do know that things could make out involvement and ending up
on having that bad integrations on something which it isnt right in speaking on approach.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 11, 2023, 11:09:19 PM
gambling will be considered illegal if a country bans it for a certain reason, but the gambling itself is not illegal; the country just decided to ban it. If gambling is illegal, then why are there existing casinos and online casinos out there? So in short, it's about the country, the permit, or the rule if they make gambling games illegal.
Gambling is not illegal but because there are countries that prohibit it, that makes gambling illegal. But even if gambling is illegal in a country, it doesn't stop people from gambling because they think that gambling is a quick way to make money. Online casinos are not illegal if the country allows gambling and it is true that this depends on each country because that country is the one that permits gambling. If a country prohibits gambling, people should not violate the prohibition lest they be punished for gambling. There must be rules that regulate gambling, whether they legalize it or make gambling illegal.
Things in the countries are very diverse, on a personal level I think that gambling will never be illegal, it will never be like that unless the casino is fraudulent, it is something that I notice, but for example in my country it has been more than 20 years since He was president and made casinos illegal because he said that there were many addicts and that the casino produced addiction, something that makes me feel childish ban on the part of that person who has already died, but what he did was set the country back for more than 40 years. advance, but that was something very disastrous what he showed in his government, I would think that a person like that can only be sorry for the bad thing that was in his mind, for me they govern us because they say or prohibit casinos and games of chance are plated to the antiuga and they really don't want their people to have fun, it seems to me a very selfish act and that they can no longer get ahead with what they have, then this is something quite ridiculous that a country prohibits gambling juices, casinos everything .

What I think is, those who think that the casino produces addicts should continue with their thinking, that no one is going to mess with them, and that they should continue thinking like that, but the majority of people do not see the casino as that, but as something that it is normal, that it is fun and that each person has the responsibility of whether or not to fall into addiction, there is a reason the casino is for people who are of legal age and consider themselves adults, it is not necessary to have one police officer on top of the other so that they can tell you what is good and what is bad, how you should bet and how you should not bet, that is something that has to be understood, furthermore, a country succeeds without prohibitions, without the need to be aware that its people is going to get involved or not going to get involved in a certain place, or that he is not in a mess, because here what matters is that things are always being done as they are without any type of problem, each person is free to do their things, and it is responsible, you must be responsible.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: klidex on November 12, 2023, 01:56:13 AM
gambling will be considered illegal if a country bans it for a certain reason, but the gambling itself is not illegal; the country just decided to ban it. If gambling is illegal, then why are there existing casinos and online casinos out there? So in short, it's about the country, the permit, or the rule if they make gambling games illegal.
Gambling is not illegal but because there are countries that prohibit it, that makes gambling illegal. But even if gambling is illegal in a country, it doesn't stop people from gambling because they think that gambling is a quick way to make money. Online casinos are not illegal if the country allows gambling and it is true that this depends on each country because that country is the one that permits gambling. If a country prohibits gambling, people should not violate the prohibition lest they be punished for gambling. There must be rules that regulate gambling, whether they legalize it or make gambling illegal.
actually in my country gambling is an illegal game but I still do it because I think gambling is not a bad activity as long as I don't harm other people, in my country there are no offline casinos so I gamble online and currently there is a lot of online gambling which is easy to do. access for everyone, in my country many people carry out gambling activities online and so far there have been no serious problems related to gambling.
It's just that gambling is always considered bad in the environment I live in, so I gamble with friends when I am just gather or do it secretly and not many people know except my close friends.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Litzki1990 on November 12, 2023, 02:06:20 AM
Gambling is illegal in certain countries, especially in Muslim countries where gambling is considered haram, but gambling is a legal activity outside Muslim countries. Countries outside of Muslim countries are legal for gambling because the government gets a lot of bats from gambling sides or casinos. If gambling was an illegal activity worldwide then these gambling sites could not be sponsored by various big companies. Various famous football clubs are sponsored by gambling sites. Because of the high risk involved in gambling, gambling may be banned in some low-income countries because their governments feel that gambling is draining their country of money.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: ethereumhunter on November 13, 2023, 12:54:04 PM
Gambling is not the illegal in the many countries,because it generate more economy flow and also control the money flow in the country.The developed countries doesn’t worry about the legalisation of the gambling,because most of the gambler will have enough money for their survive and use the free money for the gambling.If the gambling site was prohibit by the government,nearly 60 percentage of the population will follow the rules blandly.So the government plays the huge role in the gambling movement in that country.But some people the rest 40 percentage doesn’t worry about the government rule on the gambling.
Yes, it does provide a revenue stream for the country which can help the economy. Countries even use gambling as a source of income to help the economy. Gamblers can still survive because they use free money to gamble but we don't know how long they can survive. But other countries still prohibit gambling so people cannot gamble freely. And even though the government cannot earn income from gambling, it can still earn income from other business sectors.

Things in the countries are very diverse, on a personal level I think that gambling will never be illegal, it will never be like that unless the casino is fraudulent, it is something that I notice, but for example in my country it has been more than 20 years since He was president and made casinos illegal because he said that there were many addicts and that the casino produced addiction, something that makes me feel childish ban on the part of that person who has already died, but what he did was set the country back for more than 40 years. advance, but that was something very disastrous what he showed in his government, I would think that a person like that can only be sorry for the bad thing that was in his mind, for me they govern us because they say or prohibit casinos and games of chance are plated to the antiuga and they really don't want their people to have fun, it seems to me a very selfish act and that they can no longer get ahead with what they have, then this is something quite ridiculous that a country prohibits gambling juices, casinos everything .

What I think is, those who think that the casino produces addicts should continue with their thinking, that no one is going to mess with them, and that they should continue thinking like that, but the majority of people do not see the casino as that, but as something that it is normal, that it is fun and that each person has the responsibility of whether or not to fall into addiction, there is a reason the casino is for people who are of legal age and consider themselves adults, it is not necessary to have one police officer on top of the other so that they can tell you what is good and what is bad, how you should bet and how you should not bet, that is something that has to be understood, furthermore, a country succeeds without prohibitions, without the need to be aware that its people is going to get involved or not going to get involved in a certain place, or that he is not in a mess, because here what matters is that things are always being done as they are without any type of problem, each person is free to do their things, and it is responsible, you must be responsible.
Gambling can cause someone to become addicted to gambling and as we know, some countries allow gambling and some that prohibit it. Those who live in countries that allow gambling can of course, gamble freely and perhaps this is what makes many gamblers eventually become addicted to gambling. Meanwhile, for those who live in countries where gambling is prohibited, some people try to gamble but they gamble in illegal casinos where they can all be arrested if they are caught gambling. The government can indeed take advantage of the casinos in their country, but the government must also think about the impact of gambling on its people. The government needs to provide advice so that people can use gambling as a type of entertainment and not use it as a way to make money.

If people can be responsible while they are gambling, they don't need to worry about gambling addiction problems because they can definitely take care of themselves well and will not be tempted by the offers they see while they are gambling. But the problem is that not everyone can control themselves while gambling and they may lose control of themselves when they lose. But when they win, they can also lose control because their greed will get bigger and tell them to continue gambling. This is what many people who frequently gamble must understand because most of them come to casinos more often to gamble. Even though they argue that they gamble just for fun, but there is still a risk of experiencing a gambling addiction.

actually in my country gambling is an illegal game but I still do it because I think gambling is not a bad activity as long as I don't harm other people, in my country there are no offline casinos so I gamble online and currently there is a lot of online gambling which is easy to do. access for everyone, in my country many people carry out gambling activities online and so far there have been no serious problems related to gambling.
It's just that gambling is always considered bad in the environment I live in, so I gamble with friends when I am just gather or do it secretly and not many people know except my close friends.
As long as you can take care of yourself when gambling, you certainly won't worry about the problem of gambling addiction because you can prevent it from happening to you. Those who live in the same country as you can use online casinos if gambling is prohibited in your country. But you should be careful about the impacts that can be received by people who gamble frequently, especially since many people have become victims.

It's normal that many people in the area where you live think gambling is bad. Maybe they have seen what happens to someone who often gambles so they don't want one of their family members to experience the same thing so they are always alert. But, indeed, people should always be careful in gambling because they will not know when they will experience gambling problems.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Promocodeudo on November 13, 2023, 04:56:22 PM
So many countries do not permit gambling in their country for one reason or another, but the reasons range from potential addiction, which can make one commit a crime in other to make sure that he or she satisfies their gambling urge, gambling in many countries is not permitted because of religious ground, let's realistic any addictive behavior is not supposed to be permitted because of the danger that comes with them, let me use alcohol as a case study, do you know that so many crime has been committed because under the influence of alcohol, people has been killed, sporadic shooting has taken place in many countries because of excessive alcohol intake, even this gambling, some people are into gambling today because of alcohol.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Cookdata on November 13, 2023, 05:06:27 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

Money laundering can happen anywhere, it can happen through club business, it can happen through groceries shop, it can happen through any legit business that have large volume of sales and trust me, nobody is going to know anything. It's like when you sell 4 bottles of Hennessey and in your record, you put 6 and then you increase the number of supply that was brought to you during uffload of goods to your shop. Gambling is just a means to launder money and it's only illicit when they find anyone guilty of such crime.

Do you even know that gambling platforms have a way of trapping money laundering? They know that it does happen and they know for certain that people will abuse it and that's why they have this rule that you must first make initial bets from your deposit before you can withdraw it. If you don't bet the money, you can't withdraw it, it's in their policy and you can't sue to them for that, you need to make atleast a wager first and that trap is enough to lose everything back to the casino.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Westinhome on November 13, 2023, 05:11:28 PM
So many countries do not permit gambling in their country for one reason or another, but the reasons range from potential addiction, which can make one commit a crime in other to make sure that he or she satisfies their gambling urge, gambling in many countries is not permitted because of religious ground, let's realistic any addictive behavior is not supposed to be permitted because of the danger that comes with them, let me use alcohol as a case study, do you know that so many crime has been committed because under the influence of alcohol, people has been killed, sporadic shooting has taken place in many countries because of excessive alcohol intake, even this gambling, some people are into gambling today because of alcohol.


The gambling had the chance of win and loss based on the gambling done by the gambler.If the gambler had made the game with their own strategy to tackle the algorithm of the gambling site.He had a lot of chance of winning in the gambling sites.If the gambler made the random bet in the gambling sites,So their will be more possibility of the loss in the gambling sites.When the people of certain country encounter the big loss in the gambling site.This enough for the government of that country to ban the gambling site in that country.But it also depend on the government of the nation is based on the people or own welfare.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: topbitcoin on November 13, 2023, 05:36:25 PM
The pros and cons regarding gambling, whether this activity is prohibited or not, is still a matter of considerable debate.

And I am with people who debate things that should not be debated, such as between halal and haram, between legal and illegal gambling. All of this is absolute and cannot be contested, because the provisions and explanations are clear. And here I mention that gambling is not about halal and haram, not about legal and illegal, but this gambling is more about determining likes and dislikes. Because even though gambling is haram according to religious rules and haram according to state rules, it does not rule out the possibility for someone to gamble.

And if it is true that gambling is a prohibited activity, then illegal gambling will never flourish in a country that strongly opposes it.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: AmoreJaz on November 13, 2023, 05:58:03 PM
So many countries do not permit gambling in their country for one reason or another, but the reasons range from potential addiction, which can make one commit a crime in other to make sure that he or she satisfies their gambling urge, gambling in many countries is not permitted because of religious ground, let's realistic any addictive behavior is not supposed to be permitted because of the danger that comes with them, let me use alcohol as a case study, do you know that so many crime has been committed because under the influence of alcohol, people has been killed, sporadic shooting has taken place in many countries because of excessive alcohol intake, even this gambling, some people are into gambling today because of alcohol.

they have their reasons why they ban gambling. but let's accept the fact that even if the govt have such stance, these gamblers will always find a way how to gamble, and so black market will always be tap by these gamblers. so for the govt to get something out of it, where they can't totally get rid of this business, better make them legal so they can tax these gambling-related businesses.
it has been with the humanity ever since, so i don't think such banning would eradicate this business at their own mandate.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: bitzizzix on November 13, 2023, 06:17:22 PM
In my opinion, gambling is similar to prostitution, even though it is prohibited, there are still transaction activities because there is supply and demand, including drugs.
And gambling has been around for a long time and since our ancestors existed, so in my opinion, whatever the ban and no matter how harsh the ban, gambling will still exist and they will continue to do it secretly.
Gambling is prohibited in almost all countries but not all laws in all countries are the same, especially in Muslim countries, but there are still people who gamble and it seems that gambling will not disappear completely in every country. Even though there is a ban, they can still do it in any way.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Agbe on November 13, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
 I don't know how money can be laundered through gambling. Well the stolen money can be deposited in a gambling account and they can be use to gamble and will be withdrawing little by little from there. I think this has been discussed somewhere in the gambling board today and different opinions came out. Everybody will see it from different angles. Since the society has taken gambling as bad activity they will add it in any thing that is not good that is how I see it. If not gambling is not a bad thing but just for fun.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: South Park on November 13, 2023, 08:23:29 PM
I don't know how money can be laundered through gambling. Well the stolen money can be deposited in a gambling account and they can be use to gamble and will be withdrawing little by little from there. I think this has been discussed somewhere in the gambling board today and different opinions came out. Everybody will see it from different angles. Since the society has taken gambling as bad activity they will add it in any thing that is not good that is how I see it. If not gambling is not a bad thing but just for fun.
The owners of the casinos themselves are the ones that have the easiest time trying to do this as they can literally inflate the numbers of their profits and launder the money they got from other sources this way, however it could be possible for gamblers to do this as well, since they could pretend their money come from regular gambling by inflating their profits as well, after all in most physical casinos cash is still the preferred method of payment and the records of each transaction may not be as detailed as what you could get with an online transaction.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: darkangel11 on November 13, 2023, 08:58:45 PM
I don't know how Wikipedia works, but from what I've heard, there are several Wikipedia authors who don't often update their writing, from what I've heard, there are quite a lot of officials who launder money through gambling sites, they deliberately deposit a lot of money in it so it's corruption. they smell it, they are not obliged to return the money, they can use the excuse of losing gambling to escape the obligation to return the funds they have stolen.

as long as you don't do bad things in gambling or use bad money to gamble then you don't commit bad actions or Illicit Activity.

It's not that the authors are wrong in this case but that gambling is one of many ways of obfuscating the origin of money and somewhat legalizing income.
For a drug dealer it's important the money becomes legal and he can openly spend it, not on other drugs or shady deals but to buy a house and a car. That's why if he enters the casino with a million dollars and exits with 800k it doesn't matter as long as it's clean, legit money. The casino will give him a bill where it says he won it all and he can use that when the IRS comes knocking.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: klidex on November 14, 2023, 01:00:17 AM
~snip~
As long as you can take care of yourself when gambling, you certainly won't worry about the problem of gambling addiction because you can prevent it from happening to you. Those who live in the same country as you can use online casinos if gambling is prohibited in your country. But you should be careful about the impacts that can be received by people who gamble frequently, especially since many people have become victims.

It's normal that many people in the area where you live think gambling is bad. Maybe they have seen what happens to someone who often gambles so they don't want one of their family members to experience the same thing so they are always alert. But, indeed, people should always be careful in gambling because they will not know when they will experience gambling problems.
Yes, even though gambling has a bad impact, I still use it responsibly and can manage my finances and time well, online gambling is really popular with many people nowadays, apart from being easy to access, everyone can also use it without having to worry about other people knowing because This activity can be done quietly.

Yes, maybe that's what causes people in my area to think gambling is bad, even though in fact we can't blame gambling because it's actually the fault of users who go too far when carrying out their gambling activities, and certainly not all gambling users like that there is responsibility and there is also carelessness, gamblers who behave badly cause people to judge other gamblers negatively.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: zuzie on November 14, 2023, 01:33:17 AM
Basically gambling is an activity that is prohibited and if someone does it and is caught they will most likely be punished or sanctioned, but why is gambling still sought after by many people, because they see that in gambling they will get pleasure if they do it. lucky or winning. and of course they will also have fun there.
If there is a country that legalizes gambling, I think people will definitely be free and play as they please without thinking about punishment, but if that country prohibits casinos then it is very likely that people will play in secret, for fear of being discovered. police.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: angrybirdy on November 14, 2023, 04:44:19 AM
Basically gambling is an activity that is prohibited and if someone does it and is caught they will most likely be punished or sanctioned, but why is gambling still sought after by many people, because they see that in gambling they will get pleasure if they do it. lucky or winning. and of course they will also have fun there.
If there is a country that legalizes gambling, I think people will definitely be free and play as they please without thinking about punishment, but if that country prohibits casinos then it is very likely that people will play in secret, for fear of being discovered. police.
Casinos and any gambling activities are legalized nowadays so there's no reason for them to hide and to play in secret, unless they are participating in any illegal gambling sites that aren't registered or no authorization to operate. Sometimes they call it an Illicit Activity based on their Religion because some religion are prohibited to linked in any gambling activities or anything that money and obsessions are involved. also one of the main reason why people see it in a negative way because they know that some people  had an unfortunate and ruined life because of gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: ethereumhunter on November 14, 2023, 04:59:48 AM
Yes, even though gambling has a bad impact, I still use it responsibly and can manage my finances and time well, online gambling is really popular with many people nowadays, apart from being easy to access, everyone can also use it without having to worry about other people knowing because This activity can be done quietly.

Yes, maybe that's what causes people in my area to think gambling is bad, even though in fact we can't blame gambling because it's actually the fault of users who go too far when carrying out their gambling activities, and certainly not all gambling users like that there is responsibility and there is also carelessness, gamblers who behave badly cause people to judge other gamblers negatively.
That is good for you because you can use gambling responsibly and manage your finances and time well. This will keep you away from problems that could arise after you finish gambling and the most important thing is that you can avoid gambling addiction, which has happened to many people. Online gambling is currently popular with many people. Hence, they try to play online gambling but unfortunately, many of them cannot be responsible for themselves so many experience large losses and end up becoming addicted to gambling.

So it is normal that some people where we live do not like gambling because many people are addicted to gambling and various problems arise because they cannot take care of themselves while gambling. Actually, gambling is not wrong, but it's just us who become greedy and want to recover the losses we get, so we forget to be responsible gamblers. That is why we must really be able to avoid excessive gambling so that we can enjoy gambling as entertainment.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: mamesso on November 14, 2023, 05:24:38 AM
Not in general, there are some countries that consider gambling illegal, but in other countries consider gambling legal. Why does it have to be a gambling place, why not choose another place as a means of laundering money, doesn't gambling have a big risk if the bets placed end up losing?
Wikipedia's definition does not cover in general, governments have the right to define legal or illegal gambling activities because only governments have the authority to make decisions about where gambling should go in their country.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Negotiation on November 14, 2023, 07:04:12 AM
Gambling is not illegal in all countries. In countries where it is illegal gambling is generally viewed as bad and frowned upon by society. Legal interference is punishable notably drug money laundering and arms laws are being enforced against the accused in ongoing operations. Different states have different laws with higher penalties. Gambling is legal in developed countries of the world. In many places it is legally allowed. Everyone can gamble freely. There are no restrictions here. Betting on gambling sites is accepted in many countries but as everyone knows about the strict laws regarding gambling there are many gambling dens operating there it is not considered as gambling in their culture and this game of betting is very popular there.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Mauser on November 14, 2023, 07:31:25 AM
So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

Gambling itself is not an illicit activity, the problem is that it can be misused for illegal activities quite easily and even protection like KYC is not a guarantee that people are trying to take advantage of the laws of the country they live in. The issue here is that everybody who is 18 (or 21 in some countries) can go and visit a casino and start playing. When we would deposit large sums of money at our bank the government becomes interested in us and wants to know where the money is coming from. Paying taxes is one issue, but the government will also make sure that the money we have is not coming from illegal activities. The casino is not going to ask the gambler where the money is coming from. They will accept bets from all people and are happy for new customers. After winning in the casino, we can then use that money to deposit at our bank account and have a proof of origin for the money. So, gambling itself is not illicit it's just that it's easy for criminals to use it to launder their money.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: EluguHcman on November 14, 2023, 10:38:11 AM
I Will adopt to agree to that. In my localities, some persons gambles off awareness of the public so they don't get caught at the scenes of gambling else they would be indicted for indulging into criminal acts of making money and such gambling sections are basically skill-based gambling category because most skill- based gamblers tends to be more addicted as a fact of building carriers of the contexts which is tantamount to profer them waywardness and can insight them on assorted acts just to raise funds and get to the field and exercise its gambling skills to make incomes.

Series of irresponsible acts these skill-based gambling causes to its nature of gamblers are>>>
*Stealing to raise funds for gambling.

* Borrowing of funds to get to the gambling table.

* Accumulating of funds over tin-horn exhibitions.

*  Staking with assets/properties for collateral all to make sure they are on the gambling table.

* Must times remains cashless because they are uncontrollable to do with gambling budgets.

Above all mentioned, it insights unstable focus to responsibilities and can ruin ones life.

Not before the introduction of chance-based gambling sections which was believed a government approved nature of gambling because it is believed that is all nature of love activities that can be tolerated where one would take a betting challenge all for fun but not to be addicted as a matter of leaning on the for a continues reliable source profitablity.

So if not of the advancement of the world today I would still that gambling in such of its negative insightment is an illicit as defined by OPs finding.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Hirose UK on November 14, 2023, 11:11:16 AM
In fact, the one who really states that gambling is prohibited activity is religion, almost all beliefs or religions prohibit gambling activities carried out by their adherents.
But here we can align everything with what is called need, gambling is one of person needs for them to have fun or even make gambling place to do business.
Even though there are other activities that can be used for fun and business, every human being has the right and has the decision to determine what is good and bad for themselves.

Gambling is not illegal in all countries. In countries where it is illegal gambling is generally viewed as bad and frowned upon by society. Legal interference is punishable notably drug money laundering and arms laws are being enforced against the accused in ongoing operations. Different states have different laws with higher penalties. Gambling is legal in developed countries of the world. In many places it is legally allowed. Everyone can gamble freely. There are no restrictions here. Betting on gambling sites is accepted in many countries but as everyone knows about the strict laws regarding gambling there are many gambling dens operating there it is not considered as gambling in their culture and this game of betting is very popular there.
That absolutely true and various countries provide legal permits for gambling because of the benefits that can be obtained by state governments such as imposing business licensing taxes or income taxes, these are benefits that can be taken from the gambling industry because these countries will use tax proceeds well for the development of the country or helping social activities such as charity.
Apart from the bad view of gambling in the eyes of society, this is actually problem that has existed for long time, but in reality even though it is prohibited there are still many people who gamble in the country.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: inthelongrun on November 14, 2023, 02:21:26 PM
It's a basic understanding that there are many ways to launder money. Unless someone does not understand or is unfamiliar with money laundering which is odd knowing we're already in 2023. Gambling is just one way of laundering money but it doesn't mean that it is easy. Online betting is much more difficult to launder money than land-based casinos. In online gambling, KYC is needed when on big amounts. And there's also the risk of totally losing the money on the bets.

In the end, money launderers might consider betting as one of the last resorts since it is risky and well-regulated, especially online casinos. The best way to launder money is still to build connections and bribe people from public officials to businesses.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: BitcoinTurk on November 15, 2023, 04:05:24 AM
I think such information is available on Wikipedia, as some countries impose certain restrictions or complete bans on gambling. Gambling isn't an illegal activity if the casino business is legally licensed to operate but as I mentioned there are many restrictions or complete bans on gambling in some countries.

Generally, if a person has earned a high amount of profit through gambling and wants to collect this gain without any taxation or transfer this money to a country where gambling is prohibited, he/she transfers money through money laundering methods. This causes an otherwise legal process to turn into an illegal one. My guess is that gambling is also a method of money laundering due to such options although it isn't mentioned in detail on Wikipedia.

Additionally, although I don't know the fact that some suspicious money transfers provided through casino businesses are classified as money laundering is a possibility that may cause such information to be stated.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Dewi Aries on November 15, 2023, 08:27:05 AM
~snip~
As long as you can take care of yourself when gambling, you certainly won't worry about the problem of gambling addiction because you can prevent it from happening to you. Those who live in the same country as you can use online casinos if gambling is prohibited in your country. But you should be careful about the impacts that can be received by people who gamble frequently, especially since many people have become victims.

It's normal that many people in the area where you live think gambling is bad. Maybe they have seen what happens to someone who often gambles so they don't want one of their family members to experience the same thing so they are always alert. But, indeed, people should always be careful in gambling because they will not know when they will experience gambling problems.
Yes, even though gambling has a bad impact, I still use it responsibly and can manage my finances and time well, online gambling is really popular with many people nowadays, apart from being easy to access, everyone can also use it without having to worry about other people knowing because This activity can be done quietly.

Yes, maybe that's what causes people in my area to think gambling is bad, even though in fact we can't blame gambling because it's actually the fault of users who go too far when carrying out their gambling activities, and certainly not all gambling users like that there is responsibility and there is also carelessness, gamblers who behave badly cause people to judge other gamblers negatively.

It's good if it's like that, all gamblers like you should be able to be responsible with their time or manage their finances well. I appreciate that.

Gambling is currently busy everywhere, especially with online gambling which can now be accessed easily, as you said, it is an advantage for gambling companies because they can gamble without having to go to a gambling place, but I have seen incidents of people who arrested for gambling, maybe because in my country gambling is an activity that is prohibited because it can have negative impacts that will spread. It's true what you say, we can't blame gambling, but the fault lies with excessive users who cause dangerous impacts that harm themselves and can even harm other people. With the current popularity of online gambling, this seems to be commonplace everywhere, to the point that some people play openly in public places, and of course this is also wrong because gambling looks bad in people's eyes so it is not strange if people criticize someone for their gambling activities. in the open.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 16, 2023, 12:10:55 AM
I believe that the answer to this should be a No and that's it, without much discussion, because we are people who are not stupid, just casino or what they do and design casino, they don't do it because it is or is an illegal activity, but rather because they are many prisoners? It is not like that, that some governments in the midst of their obstinate rules and laws that make no sense say that is another thing, but that does not mean that gambling is an illicit activity, it is illicit when a crime is made and they do not have Persmios, if on the other hand the cainso online and that it is of crypto nisquera origin they should have reugaualcioune for the governments, if not they comply with their licenses, they get their money according to what is everything of a casino and that's it, but it is not like that , the ones that govern us now are dragging the people to the fact that everything has to be generated and reviewed by the governments, which seems to me to be a total lack of respect, to the anonymity, to the hidden privacy of the people and everything,

But why do I have bitcoin and crypto, well what I don't want is for them to be tracking me or knowing how much I operate with, because that's why I'm going to a fiat money casino and that's it, I have everything, the identification and until they know that type of clothes I'm wearing at that time, but in a crypto casino no type of KYC should be accepted, only now we are a generation where we have to accept these things at face value, simply because there are no decentralized casinos that are at the level of the centralized, and will that always be like this? Maybe, even though I don't believe it because now we are already in an almost global adoption with bitcoin, and we continue like this, we will be people who would no longer accept being in any casino, who have crypto, who have bitcoin, but rather what we will look for is privacy. , anonymity, whatever makes us untraceable, because that is what many of us are looking for, and the casinos that do it in the future, I think everyone will go there.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on November 17, 2023, 03:05:57 AM
Gambling isn't an illicit activity in most countries but it is a highly regulated activity. Gambling really shouldn't be included along with drug trafficking and embezzlement. The Wikipedia editor who wrote that has an outdated concept of gambling. Most people aren't going to be making enough from unregulated gambling that they need to go to great lengths to conceal it from the government.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Jawhead999 on November 17, 2023, 04:22:20 AM
By definition it's correct gambling could be an illicit activity since many country not allow it and even the country allow it, the society would discourage you to gamble. You can ask people around you, start from your wife, parent, kids, colleague, and your boss, will all of them think gambling is good or not.

An illicit activity or substance is not allowed by law or the social customs of a country.


Casinos and any gambling activities are legalized nowadays so there's no reason for them to hide and to play in secret, unless they are participating in any illegal gambling sites that aren't registered or no authorization to operate.
Sorry to say, it's safe for me to say Bitvest is an illegal gambling site? I don't see anywhere mentioned if Bitvest is owned by X corporation or such.



Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: gunhell16 on November 17, 2023, 05:10:08 AM
Nowadays, gambling is divided into different countries because it is not prohibited in all countries, and there are also some that are illegal. But only legitimate gambling, whether online or psychological gambling,

Because there are other gambling casinos that are under the lottery, which is a charity program, although with every ticket that bettors buy, they are already helping the charity and foundation that they have, and then the taxes are too big and an eyesore, honestly.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Litzki1990 on November 17, 2023, 12:24:33 PM
Gambling isn't an illicit activity in most countries but it is a highly regulated activity. Gambling really shouldn't be included along with drug trafficking and embezzlement. The Wikipedia editor who wrote that has an outdated concept of gambling. Most people aren't going to be making enough from unregulated gambling that they need to go to great lengths to conceal it from the government.
Although gambling is not compared to drug or smuggling, gambling is completely forbidden in Muslim-majority countries. Gambling is so prohibited in Muslim-majority countries that if a person gambles in defiance of the ban and is caught gambling, he is subject to severe punishment. I would say that gambling is as dangerous as addiction when a person becomes too addicted to gambling. One should not be addicted to anything. Gambling is not so bad if gambling can be done with self-control but if gambling controls us and we become too addicted to gambling then gambling will never bring us anything good. There are many people who have gotten into a lot of debt by gambling and there are many people who have gotten away with gambling. Not only are there negative aspects of gambling, but those who have gambled in a controlled manner and who have had enough experience with gambling have also made substantial gains. Everything has good and bad side but we have to find those good and bad side and then we have to do that good thing.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on November 17, 2023, 12:32:59 PM
Nowadays, gambling is divided into different countries because it is not prohibited in all countries, and there are also some that are illegal. But only legitimate gambling, whether online or psychological gambling,

Because there are other gambling casinos that are under the lottery, which is a charity program, although with every ticket that bettors buy, they are already helping the charity and foundation that they have, and then the taxes are too big and an eyesore, honestly.
You are right, even though I only understand we generally have online and offline gambling, there is nothing like psychology gambling, excepts it's a new type or form of gambling that I am yet to learn about.

Anyways, gambling have become a business though, for the government and the people who own casinos, this is the why in some countries, the government place high Tax on them, and they (the casino owners) accept to pay it, because they are making the money after all.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Jody.Drummer on November 17, 2023, 01:10:30 PM
Gambling isn't an illicit activity in most countries but it is a highly regulated activity. Gambling really shouldn't be included along with drug trafficking and embezzlement. The Wikipedia editor who wrote that has an outdated concept of gambling. Most people aren't going to be making enough from unregulated gambling that they need to go to great lengths to conceal it from the government.

Basically, it is true that gambling is only illegal in some countries, some countries do not mind it  because it is a fairly fun entertainment activity but also by implementing strict regulations that the people there cannot be excessively involved in gambling, nothing else but as a measure to prevent harm to the economy of the community.

Of course that's true, I think it's a fact that no one can make a living from gambling, and on the other hand it's really not advisable because of the huge level of risk that will endanger themselves. And also on the other hand as I said above that the government legalized gambling only for entertainment activities for its people with a strict level of restrictions. Honestly, I am not sure if the government did not make any considerations before they decided to legalize gambling in their country, I am sure the government also knows the impact and they do not want their people to experience significant economic problems. But for governments that do not alloow gambling in their country, it will not be able to rule out the possibility that their people will not touch gambling, because the times are getting more  sophisticated and with that it will be very difficult to control their people.



Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on November 17, 2023, 01:42:06 PM
Basically gambling is an activity that is prohibited and if someone does it and is caught they will most likely be punished or sanctioned, but why is gambling still sought after by many people, because they see that in gambling they will get pleasure if they do it. lucky or winning. and of course they will also have fun there.
If there is a country that legalizes gambling, I think people will definitely be free and play as they please without thinking about punishment, but if that country prohibits casinos then it is very likely that people will play in secret, for fear of being discovered. police.

        -   That is exactly what happens when a government legalizes casino gambling, whether online or physical gambling. Because it is legal in their country, most gamblers will consider it a source of income.

And even if it is illegal in a country, a gambler will be driven to find a way to gamble, even if it means breaking the law. But, for another reason, it cannot be regarded a long-term source of income because it is entirely dependent on luck.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: slapper on November 17, 2023, 02:35:24 PM
Gambling isn't an illicit activity in most countries but it is a highly regulated activity. Gambling really shouldn't be included along with drug trafficking and embezzlement. The Wikipedia editor who wrote that has an outdated concept of gambling. Most people aren't going to be making enough from unregulated gambling that they need to go to great lengths to conceal it from the government.
Although gambling is not compared to drug or smuggling, gambling is completely forbidden in Muslim-majority countries. Gambling is so prohibited in Muslim-majority countries that if a person gambles in defiance of the ban and is caught gambling, he is subject to severe punishment. I would say that gambling is as dangerous as addiction when a person becomes too addicted to gambling. One should not be addicted to anything. Gambling is not so bad if gambling can be done with self-control but if gambling controls us and we become too addicted to gambling then gambling will never bring us anything good. There are many people who have gotten into a lot of debt by gambling and there are many people who have gotten away with gambling. Not only are there negative aspects of gambling, but those who have gambled in a controlled manner and who have had enough experience with gambling have also made substantial gains. Everything has good and bad side but we have to find those good and bad side and then we have to do that good thing.
You're right. Gambling can become an addiction, locking people in debt and regret. It's like an extremely dangerous game with financial and mental security at stake. This explains Muslim-majority countries' harsh approach. Their strategy tries to safeguard society from gambling addiction. On the other hand, supervised gambling is quite an idea. This requires ability, strategy, and self-control, not just luck. Gamblers have survived and prospered. This implies that disciplined gambling can be fun and profitable. Balancing excitement with responsibility is crucial to this delicate topic


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: zuzie on November 18, 2023, 01:07:21 AM
Basically gambling is an activity that is prohibited and if someone does it and is caught they will most likely be punished or sanctioned, but why is gambling still sought after by many people, because they see that in gambling they will get pleasure if they do it. lucky or winning. and of course they will also have fun there.
If there is a country that legalizes gambling, I think people will definitely be free and play as they please without thinking about punishment, but if that country prohibits casinos then it is very likely that people will play in secret, for fear of being discovered. police.

        -   That is exactly what happens when a government legalizes casino gambling, whether online or physical gambling. Because it is legal in their country, most gamblers will consider it a source of income.

And even if it is illegal in a country, a gambler will be driven to find a way to gamble, even if it means breaking the law. But, for another reason, it cannot be regarded a long-term source of income because it is entirely dependent on luck.


That's right, if the government legalizes gambling in their country, then people will play as they please and some even think that gambling can make money so they will play continuously and irregularly without being equipped with strong self-control.

Yes, it could be that if the government prohibits gambling in their country, then people who like to gamble will try their best to be able to gamble even though they do it in secret.

Agree with your opinion, gambling is just luck that we don't know when we will get it and we shouldn't have too high hopes that gambling is a source of income, even though whatever the reason is, it's still wrong.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: boty on November 18, 2023, 03:35:46 AM
You're right. Gambling can become an addiction, locking people in debt and regret. It's like an extremely dangerous game with financial and mental security at stake. This explains Muslim-majority countries' harsh approach. Their strategy tries to safeguard society from gambling addiction. On the other hand, supervised gambling is quite an idea. This requires ability, strategy, and self-control, not just luck. Gamblers have survived and prospered. This implies that disciplined gambling can be fun and profitable. Balancing excitement with responsibility is crucial to this delicate topic
Experiencing an addiction to gambling will certainly be very bad because we will use more of the income we have to gamble so that we cannot meet the needs we need. Everyone who gambles must of course be able to control themselves if they don't want the income they have to be used more for the gambling activities they do and if they are not able to do this of course they will lose more, so it will be better they manage the money they use for gambling and if the money they set has run out due to losses it would be better for them to look for fun in other things which would certainly be better.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Out of mind on November 18, 2023, 03:56:08 AM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

Quote
Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
In my opinion, gambling is an illegal activity where people always fall for this gambling. But people who gamble don't think anything like that, but they earn money from such casinos with the aim of making money. Although gambling has been legalized in many countries, it is forbidden by virtually any religion, the practice being considered the worst in every religion. That's why I think this kind of gambling is illegal even though it is legal in many countries people take gambling in general and representative they place bets here. There are various casino platforms where illegal money laundering is considered a crime under the law. Moreover, many people do not like to play this type of gambling, but I have seen many gamblers who cannot live without gambling. There are many businessmen who do illegal activities and money laundering through this gambling, which is basically the biggest crime I claim. When Wikipedia asks something about gambling, it comments that they know that gambling is an illegal activity, so they give answers like this.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Oasisman on November 18, 2023, 04:17:48 AM
You're right. Gambling can become an addiction, locking people in debt and regret. It's like an extremely dangerous game with financial and mental security at stake. This explains Muslim-majority countries' harsh approach. Their strategy tries to safeguard society from gambling addiction. On the other hand, supervised gambling is quite an idea. This requires ability, strategy, and self-control, not just luck. Gamblers have survived and prospered. This implies that disciplined gambling can be fun and profitable. Balancing excitement with responsibility is crucial to this delicate topic
Experiencing an addiction to gambling will certainly be very bad because we will use more of the income we have to gamble so that we cannot meet the needs we need. Everyone who gambles must of course be able to control themselves if they don't want the income they have to be used more for the gambling activities they do and if they are not able to do this of course they will lose more, so it will be better they manage the money they use for gambling and if the money they set has run out due to losses it would be better for them to look for fun in other things which would certainly be better.

I don't know how you guys ended up discussing about gambling addiction when the thread was all about gambling being used for money laundering and tagged as an elicit activity lol.

IMO, though gambling are regulated and prohibited by law today as long as it is compliance with all the licenses and policies to operate, so it is not an elicit activity anymore, but it can also be used to conceal money that's coming from illegal activities such as selling weapons, drugs, and things like these. Authorities may look for an evidence in a financial angle, but as long as the person in interest is constantly active in gambling, it'll put extra layer of work for the authorities looking at this possible angle as gambling may let an individual earn or win unlimited range of money. That's how these people conceal their drug money.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: ethereumhunter on November 18, 2023, 08:44:22 AM
You're right. Gambling can become an addiction, locking people in debt and regret. It's like an extremely dangerous game with financial and mental security at stake. This explains Muslim-majority countries' harsh approach. Their strategy tries to safeguard society from gambling addiction. On the other hand, supervised gambling is quite an idea. This requires ability, strategy, and self-control, not just luck. Gamblers have survived and prospered. This implies that disciplined gambling can be fun and profitable. Balancing excitement with responsibility is crucial to this delicate topic
Experiencing an addiction to gambling will certainly be very bad because we will use more of the income we have to gamble so that we cannot meet the needs we need. Everyone who gambles must of course be able to control themselves if they don't want the income they have to be used more for the gambling activities they do and if they are not able to do this of course they will lose more, so it will be better they manage the money they use for gambling and if the money they set has run out due to losses it would be better for them to look for fun in other things which would certainly be better.
For this reason, people who gamble must know what they need to prepare and have so that they do not experience problems such as gambling addiction. Gambling addiction comes to those who gamble too often and cannot control themselves so they cannot use gambling as entertainment and instead use it as a place to make money. Gambling is actually just a tool to get pleasure using money, so people who gamble using their money must realize that they must be able to stay within their limits so as not to experience gambling addiction. Money management is also very necessary because they don't need to spend all their money to gamble, especially if they have a lot of expenses that need to be met. Someone who does not understand how to allocate their money to meet their daily needs and gamble will only experience gambling problems and will not be able to meet their daily needs because their money is used for gambling.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: junder on November 18, 2023, 10:54:51 AM
Gambling isn't an illicit activity in most countries but it is a highly regulated activity. Gambling really shouldn't be included along with drug trafficking and embezzlement. The Wikipedia editor who wrote that has an outdated concept of gambling. Most people aren't going to be making enough from unregulated gambling that they need to go to great lengths to conceal it from the government.
Although gambling is not compared to drug or smuggling, gambling is completely forbidden in Muslim-majority countries. Gambling is so prohibited in Muslim-majority countries that if a person gambles in defiance of the ban and is caught gambling, he is subject to severe punishment. I would say that gambling is as dangerous as addiction when a person becomes too addicted to gambling. One should not be addicted to anything. Gambling is not so bad if gambling can be done with self-control but if gambling controls us and we become too addicted to gambling then gambling will never bring us anything good. There are many people who have gotten into a lot of debt by gambling and there are many people who have gotten away with gambling. Not only are there negative aspects of gambling, but those who have gambled in a controlled manner and who have had enough experience with gambling have also made substantial gains. Everything has good and bad side but we have to find those good and bad side and then we have to do that good thing.
You're right. Gambling can become an addiction, locking people in debt and regret. It's like an extremely dangerous game with financial and mental security at stake. This explains Muslim-majority countries' harsh approach. Their strategy tries to safeguard society from gambling addiction. On the other hand, supervised gambling is quite an idea. This requires ability, strategy, and self-control, not just luck. Gamblers have survived and prospered. This implies that disciplined gambling can be fun and profitable. Balancing excitement with responsibility is crucial to this delicate topic

Of course, if someone gambles, there is the potential to become addicted to the same as drugs, which both have a very fatal dangerous impact and certainly harm themselves and can even harm others. And gambling also has a large percentage of bad in the view of society, therefore gambling is a bad thing in society, but there are also some countries that legalize gambling and some are the opposite. Even if the country is legalized, there is a possibility that they gamble in secret. And that is clear.
Most of the gamblers I know have lost responsibility for other things. Because they have been lulled by gambling which makes them forget about many things that are clearly detrimental to themselves. So in my opinion, there is a strong reason that gambling is a prohibited activity because it can make a person change drastically if they are not good at controlling themselves.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: adultcrypto on November 18, 2023, 11:25:31 AM
Basically gambling is an activity that is prohibited and if someone does it and is caught they will most likely be punished or sanctioned, but why is gambling still sought after by many people, because they see that in gambling they will get pleasure if they do it. lucky or winning. and of course they will also have fun there.
If there is a country that legalizes gambling, I think people will definitely be free and play as they please without thinking about punishment, but if that country prohibits casinos then it is very likely that people will play in secret, for fear of being discovered. police.

        -   That is exactly what happens when a government legalizes casino gambling, whether online or physical gambling. Because it is legal in their country, most gamblers will consider it a source of income.

And even if it is illegal in a country, a gambler will be driven to find a way to gamble, even if it means breaking the law. But, for another reason, it cannot be regarded a long-term source of income because it is entirely dependent on luck.

Is there really a country where gambling is banned? I will like to know that because the your tone shows you might know some countries where gambling is against the law.

In my country, gambling is a big business that receive no government restrictions.  The gambling companies are registered and operate under the laws stipulated an agency of the government. Sports betting shop are littered all over the streets and are always full every weekend.

The only people not allowed to visit these shops are those below 18 years of age


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: South Park on November 20, 2023, 07:14:10 PM
Is there really a country where gambling is banned? I will like to know that because the your tone shows you might know some countries where gambling is against the law.

In my country, gambling is a big business that receive no government restrictions.  The gambling companies are registered and operate under the laws stipulated an agency of the government. Sports betting shop are littered all over the streets and are always full every weekend.

The only people not allowed to visit these shops are those below 18 years of age
While I have no data I suppose that at least on the middle east gambling should be forbidden in a great deal of those countries, also even in countries where gambling has been legalized we must not forget that it is also a heavily regulated activity, so if a casino does not have a casino license in the country to operate then it is clear the owners of that casino are violating the law and they could be subject to all kind of penalties and fines.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: rahmad2nd on November 20, 2023, 08:21:45 PM
Is there really a country where gambling is banned? I will like to know that because the your tone shows you might know some countries where gambling is against the law.

In my country, gambling is a big business that receive no government restrictions.  The gambling companies are registered and operate under the laws stipulated an agency of the government. Sports betting shop are littered all over the streets and are always full every weekend.

The only people not allowed to visit these shops are those below 18 years of age

Ah, sorry about earlier. It seems, you lack references if there are several countries that prohibit gambling. If I'm not mistaken, we've discussed it in several threads on gambling discussion boards. I don't need to look far for a reference to say which countries prohibit gambling, because in my country gambling is now prohibited. era changed era, in the past gambling was still allowed, especially lotteries which were managed by the state. and currently, gambling is prohibited by the laws and regulations of our country.

If we talk about Asia, as far as I know there are some who still prohibit it. although recently, many ASEAN countries have legalized it. Well, for the Middle East it's different again. We don't need to look for references to strengthen our arguments, but it is clear that legally and the rules that apply there clearly prohibit it. especially, for very religious middle eastern countries. This prohibition did not just happen, of course it has gone through a long process, especially for my country.

For some Middle Eastern countries, it seems like some have never actually legalized gambling. It's only natural, because they have their own rules. So, now you probably know that there are countries where gambling is not legal. and this is the opposite of what is in your country. not only children under the age of +18, but applies to all people in the country. even though in this era, everyone can access casinos via smartphone and the internet. The point is, the state cannot completely control it even if they block access.  After all, there are various ways, even some online fiat casinos provide tips for opening locked services and that is the fact.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: lionheart78 on November 20, 2023, 08:38:08 PM
Is there really a country where gambling is banned? I will like to know that because the your tone shows you might know some countries where gambling is against the law.

In my country, gambling is a big business that receive no government restrictions.  The gambling companies are registered and operate under the laws stipulated an agency of the government. Sports betting shop are littered all over the streets and are always full every weekend.

The only people not allowed to visit these shops are those below 18 years of age
While I have no data I suppose that at least on the middle east gambling should be forbidden in a great deal of those countries, also even in countries where gambling has been legalized we must not forget that it is also a heavily regulated activity, so if a casino does not have a casino license in the country to operate then it is clear the owners of that casino are violating the law and they could be subject to all kind of penalties and fines.

Most Islamic Country ban gambling.  I believe it is against their religion.  If you want some data of countries that Ban gambling activities, you can refer to this article[1].  The article list the country where gambling is illegal.  It also lists the law that forbids gambling in their country.

Although there are countries that see gambling as a natural activity and even get profit from it, some countries put more value in their religious belief and carry the teaching into their law.




[1]  https://playtoday.co/blog/guides/countries-where-gambling-is-illegal/


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Fortify on November 20, 2023, 08:51:55 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering)

Quote
Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of  gambling here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling), why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

Poorly regulated gambling institutions, like any poorly regulated companies, can be abused by criminals to do things like money laundering. It's historically well known that casinos were abused for this purpose, just like any cash heavy business, but most countries with effective regulators have figured out ways to prevent these things. Such as requiring membership to play in the casino, which requires displaying a form of ID, which can then be cross referenced by government agencies to pick out any suspicious patterns. As long as this sort of enforcement is taking place then it becomes much harder to wash money through them. However one of the biggest casinos in Australia had a big case on this topic only a few years ago, so it can still take place.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: goxcraft on November 21, 2023, 12:53:32 AM
It depends on where you live. If it is banned by the government then it can be considered as illicit activity. If not then it's ok. As we all know many arab countries ban gambling and gambling related activity. Not that it is addicted but it is forbidden by their religion. It's against their believe. Even wuth these bans people are still gambling. I think, if gambling can be taken under proper rules and regulations then it's fine. Because as long as it's properly monitored no illigal activity might happen. As an example, money laundeing. The sad thing is where I live it isn't as regulated as it should be. We do have strict rules. But nobody seems to follow it.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Hirose UK on November 21, 2023, 02:31:36 AM
It depends on where you live. If it is banned by the government then it can be considered as illicit activity. If not then it's ok. As we all know many arab countries ban gambling and gambling related activity. Not that it is addicted but it is forbidden by their religion. It's against their believe. Even wuth these bans people are still gambling. I think, if gambling can be taken under proper rules and regulations then it's fine. Because as long as it's properly monitored no illigal activity might happen. As an example, money laundeing. The sad thing is where I live it isn't as regulated as it should be. We do have strict rules. But nobody seems to follow it.
Just as I thought and said before, the ban on gambling in country depends on where we live because not all countries give permission for gambling, but regarding religion, I sure that almost all religions definitely prohibit their followers from carrying out this activity.
Not only Arabs with the Islamic religion but also all existing religions, for example in the country where I live here the majority are Muslims and the state law also prohibits gambling but there are still many gamblers and also cases of gambling addiction.
As the proverb says, prohibitions and regulations are made to be broken and that is real life where not all prohibitions and regulations can be obeyed.
Even in the country I live in even though it is legally prohibited, there are still lots of fiat-based online gambling sites, but they always have way to escape the legal trap.
But in my opinion it doesn't matter as long as all the gambling activities we do never disturb or harm other people, then these activities are each person right with risks and consequences that we have to accept ourselves.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 21, 2023, 02:29:40 PM
Things in the countries are very diverse, on a personal level I think that gambling will never be illegal, it will never be like that unless the casino is fraudulent, it is something that I notice, but for example in my country it has been more than 20 years since He was president and made casinos illegal because he said that there were many addicts and that the casino produced addiction, something that makes me feel childish ban on the part of that person who has already died, but what he did was set the country back for more than 40 years. advance, but that was something very disastrous what he showed in his government, I would think that a person like that can only be sorry for the bad thing that was in his mind, for me they govern us because they say or prohibit casinos and games of chance are plated to the antiuga and they really don't want their people to have fun, it seems to me a very selfish act and that they can no longer get ahead with what they have, then this is something quite ridiculous that a country prohibits gambling juices, casinos everything .

What I think is, those who think that the casino produces addicts should continue with their thinking, that no one is going to mess with them, and that they should continue thinking like that, but the majority of people do not see the casino as that, but as something that it is normal, that it is fun and that each person has the responsibility of whether or not to fall into addiction, there is a reason the casino is for people who are of legal age and consider themselves adults, it is not necessary to have one police officer on top of the other so that they can tell you what is good and what is bad, how you should bet and how you should not bet, that is something that has to be understood, furthermore, a country succeeds without prohibitions, without the need to be aware that its people is going to get involved or not going to get involved in a certain place, or that he is not in a mess, because here what matters is that things are always being done as they are without any type of problem, each person is free to do their things, and it is responsible, you must be responsible.
Gambling can cause someone to become addicted to gambling and as we know, some countries allow gambling and some that prohibit it. Those who live in countries that allow gambling can of course, gamble freely and perhaps this is what makes many gamblers eventually become addicted to gambling. Meanwhile, for those who live in countries where gambling is prohibited, some people try to gamble but they gamble in illegal casinos where they can all be arrested if they are caught gambling. The government can indeed take advantage of the casinos in their country, but the government must also think about the impact of gambling on its people. The government needs to provide advice so that people can use gambling as a type of entertainment and not use it as a way to make money.

If people can be responsible while they are gambling, they don't need to worry about gambling addiction problems because they can definitely take care of themselves well and will not be tempted by the offers they see while they are gambling. But the problem is that not everyone can control themselves while gambling and they may lose control of themselves when they lose. But when they win, they can also lose control because their greed will get bigger and tell them to continue gambling. This is what many people who frequently gamble must understand because most of them come to casinos more often to gamble. Even though they argue that they gamble just for fun, but there is still a risk of experiencing a gambling addiction.


Yes, you can see something that is not correct, the government or the governments of the countries that have prohibited casinos and games of chance are not police, they are simply some regulators of this that I do not understand yet, because this of the casino can bring a lot of good things, and fun, then a country where its government is completely bad in the way of thinking because it prohibits games is not acceptable, because they are people who also need to know this world, they cannot and should not close the doors, because everyone needs things to be very clear in this, one should not stick to what a government says all the time, sometimes you have to be irreverent, a government should never ever get involved in life. people's pockets, and if they allow it, then everything will be lost, because it is something that should never be.

My country was banned for a long time with casinos, because of a government that is still in power with a different government, yet it left misery, and it is still there, because all the wealth is stolen by the same governments, both the one that exists now and  other nations that are entering the country with great desire to continue exploiting it, and of course, if there is gold, oil, minerals and very valuable precious stones, then this is no better than a Dubai because it has sincerely been in the worst hands of the world, then it was so much so that the casinos were Prohibited and the use of the same was illegal, but of course the online casinos were not , they could not regulate all this, because despite everything the people are not very Active for this, without Now after the pandemic many became active with the caisos and are actively playing, now with the same government but with a different ruler since it released that clause of not continuing with the country in Ban mode, the caisnos are now allowed, but with a high Percentage of that the casinos pass their good Cuts to the Government.


Title: Re: Is Gambling Generally An Illicit Activity?
Post by: Unbunplease on November 21, 2023, 02:44:58 PM
It depends on where you live. If it is banned by the government then it can be considered as illicit activity. If not then it's ok. As we all know many arab countries ban gambling and gambling related activity. Not that it is addicted but it is forbidden by their religion. It's against their believe. Even wuth these bans people are still gambling. I think, if gambling can be taken under proper rules and regulations then it's fine. Because as long as it's properly monitored no illigal activity might happen. As an example, money laundeing. The sad thing is where I live it isn't as regulated as it should be. We do have strict rules. But nobody seems to follow it.

Our lives are too limited by conventions and rules. But a person is always striving to get at least a breath of freedom. Gambling gives this feeling of freedom. Therefore, people will participate in gambling against all prohibitions - legal and moral