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Title: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on January 20, 2024, 01:43:17 PM
There are no question anyone will have that Kruw's moral is low and mentally ill
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Good riddance o_e_l_e_o.  No one else I've interacted with on this forum has done more damage to the future of Bitcoin and future of freedom than you.  Even after your involvement with the Chipmixer scam, you knowlingy spread continuous lies about privacy weaknesses in Bitcoin that do not exist. Your scheme of tricking people into giving up their data and stealing their coins will finally come to an end.
Ninjastic: https://ninjastic.space/post/63517379

It continues even in a separate thread.
This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

Kruw and Wasabi team are lying constantly.
Could you publicly say that WasabiWallet is still technically permissionless and trustless? Because I believe some people are still promoting it in that way.
The Wasabi team lie constantly.

Here's a post I made a year ago highlighting some of the lies on their website: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg60337199#msg60337199. Nothing has changed in the last year.

Here's a post where I link to the devs lying on Twitter about the issue of address reuse: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419000.msg61220171#msg61220171

The Wasabi team have no problem lying about their product in order to make themselves profits.
[...]
Ninjastic: https://ninjastic.space/post/62422359

Wasabi team supports censorship and think it's the right way.
If people are not convinced yet that wasabi devs are incompetent clowns, here are a few notable assertions from the podcast:

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You’re changing the acceptance of which coins do you consider valid—not on the Bitcoin consensus layer—that’s the other important thing. Bitcoin consensus is still permissionless and decentralized enough that you can make payments even if you are blacklisted: you can just either get hashrate yourself or bribe a miner to hash a block with your transaction in it—so Bitcoin works. But what we’re talking about here is: will you get access to someone else’s computer? Will someone else allow you to write stuff on his computer, basically? And in my opinion, ultimately it comes down to property rights. A coordinator is just someone else’s computer—and it’s not yours. So you ought to be quite thankful that someone actually provides you a service where you can use his computer for certain things like coordinating a round.

This guy just asserted that my decision to join my inputs with someone else is the same as taking control of his computer.  He also stated that blacklisting does not happen on Bitcoin because you could bribe a miner, which is not true.  The reason you do not get blacklisted is because it is censorship resistant.  A mining pool blacklisting transactions would directly attack their revenue and reputation, but even if it did not, then some other pool would mine it sooner or later.

By the way why doesn't the same apply on coinjoin?  "Coinjoin consensus is still permissionless and decentralized enough that you can make payments even if you are blacklisted: you can just leave Wasasi and use a censorship resistant alternative".  

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But then the more pressing matter is it’s not always gonna be clear-cut, especially when you start making transactions, especially when you have things like CoinSwap, Lightning, PayJoin—we’re working really hard to make the life of chain surveillance miserable, and that means that they’re gonna have many more false positives.

This is the plan guys!  They are paying a blockchain analysis company so that they can verify beforehand that their product becomes less and less accurate!   :D
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The default Wasabi Wallet coordinator will start censoring "illegal" UTXOs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389567.0)
Scammer lead developer resigns from honeypot Wasabi Wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480440.0)
Wasabi blacklisting update - open letter / 24 questions discussion thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5405325.0)

Wasabi's questionable privacy practice
Wasabi has been reusing addresses, a lot, which has resulted in a lot of post-mix coins being linked back to pre-mix coins and being de-anonymized. And then the devs have been on Twitter, both defending that it is "acceptable" and also lying about it entirely.

Here's an example thread: https://nitter.it/HillebrandMax/status/1586249382097088512#m
Gets shown address reuse, claims it isn't from 2.0 and that it has never happened in 2.0. Then gets shown address reuse from 2.0, and says they've already patched it. How could they have patched it while also claiming it has never happened? They are lying somewhere.

Here's another example: https://nitter.it/ErgoBTC/status/1585671294783311872#m
And dozens more: https://nitter.it/wasabistats

But the devs don't care, because apparently some address reuse is "acceptable": https://nitter.it/HillebrandMax/status/1586321068129939456#m
Ninjastic: https://ninjastic.space/post/61220171

Wasabi is doxxing their competitors.
Nope, haven't moved at all. Just waiting for an example:

You already received multiple examples, why would you require more besides the ones I already gave you?

No, I'm talking about this: https://nitter.it/SamouraiWallet/status/1647936591417995264

Pay attention, this is the article published on April 27th:  https://nopara73.medium.com/samouraileaks-samouraidevs-sockpuppet-exposed-7ce654b92c0b

You are attacking the wrong people.  A Wasabi developer exposing the Samourai developer using sock puppets to deceive social media users out of their Bitcoins is not "doxxing".
Liar and faking.
Ninjastic: https://ninjastic.space/post/62421991

Thanks to the friend who helped me with giving the information.

In a nutshell when you are using wasabi and advertising it, you are helping a team who are
[1.] Morally down and wish your death
[2.] Lying to you constantly
[3.] Supporting censorship and do not care about bitcoin and your privacy
[4.] ignorant and do not have basic practice idea of handling bitcoin addresses
[5.] thinking it is fine to doxxing their competitor and then lying again.

Wasabi is a scam!
Boycott Wasabi, educate others to avoid using Wasabi, forward this information to the people who are helping Wasabi.

[I am making this topic self-moderating to filter known trolls]


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: mrust_mobile on January 20, 2024, 01:47:45 PM
Isn't W**abi or any other service which offers a "mixing" service illegal on this forum since the beginning of this month? If promoting mixers is illegal now, promoting W**abi should be a ban offense too. The mods should delete every thread that is about W**abi. (probably this one too)


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: Z-tight on January 20, 2024, 01:55:30 PM
Isn't W**abi or any other service which offers a "mixing" service illegal on this forum since the beginning of this month? If promoting mixers is illegal now, promoting W**abi should be a ban offense too. The mods should delete every thread that is about W**abi. (probably this one too)
Theymos banned only mixers, and Wasabi is not a mixer, it is a CoinJoin implementation. I should add that you don't have to censor names of mixers, it is allowed, just don't link people to mixers or advertise mixers in your signature and avatar.
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Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: Charles-Tim on January 20, 2024, 01:57:11 PM
Isn't W**abi or any other service which offers a "mixing" service illegal on this forum since the beginning of this month? If promoting mixers is illegal now, promoting W**abi should be a ban offense too. The mods should delete every thread that is about W**abi. (probably this one too)
Mixers (centralized mixing services) are banned but those that provide decentralized mixing service (on noncustodial wallet) like Whirlpool of Sparrow and Samourai, Coinjoin of Jointmarket and Wabisabi of Wasabi are not banned.

Theymos banned only mixers, and Wasabi is not a mixer, it is a CoinJoin implementation.
Theymos may not categorize them as mixers, but literally they are mixers. In short, they are referred to as decentralized mixers.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on January 20, 2024, 02:09:27 PM
Theymos banned only mixers, and Wasabi is not a mixer, it is a CoinJoin implementation.
Theymos may not categorize them as mixers, but literally they are mixers. In short, they are referred to as decentralized mixers.
What I get is Theymos wants to stay away from trouble but he is making some exceptions when it is necessary. Mixers are not illegal, they are important to break your links. Theymos is still soft for a few mixers who are advertising them as not a mixer but basic business model is the same as mixers.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: LoyceV on January 20, 2024, 02:18:20 PM
Wasabi is doxxing their competitors.
This reminded me of another case: Red trust on ~ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099654.0). Back then, Wasabi was promoted in another thread, and the Wasabi lovers tagged the thread creator who responded to it for not trusting Wasabi. It's ironic, because back then Wasabi was supposed to be a great new privacy feature. How the tables turned....

I only now notice the use of Wasabiwąllet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3140140.msg48348938#msg48348938). I'm not sure why.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on January 20, 2024, 02:28:47 PM
Wasabi is doxxing their competitors.
This reminded me of another case: Red trust on ~ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099654.0). Back then, Wasabi was promoted in another thread, and the Wasabi lovers tagged the thread creator who responded to it for not trusting Wasabi. It's ironic, because back then Wasabi was supposed to be a great new privacy feature. How the tables turned....

I only now notice the use of Wasabiwąllet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3140140.msg48348938#msg48348938). I'm not sure why.
This forum was embarrassed by many users many times. I can not remember when was the new trust system introduced but if that was after the introduction of the new trust system then those tags were awful.

Over the years Wasabi turned into scammers. It's time to boycott the whole franchise. We have done it in the past. Ledger wallets are no more welcome in the community.  


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: decodx on January 20, 2024, 03:30:40 PM
From everything I've seen so far, Kruw seems to be a cold and heartless bastard. How he behaved in this situation is probably the most disgusting thing I've seen on this forum so far. Similar to that jerk who controls the Bitcon SV account.  If the people at Wasabi Wallet actually act like this, I gotta say I wouldn't feel too sure about using their stuff.  No clue if this dude's honestly with them or just some random hype guy, but either way he basically made it look like they got some real problems in their heads.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: apogio on January 20, 2024, 04:01:34 PM
I don't really know much about Wasabi. I don't use it anyway and I will never use it.

Even if I wasn't aware of all the other reasons to avoid Wasabi, I would never use it because of Kruw's behaviour and attitude. This post literally summarizes his personality:

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Good riddance o_e_l_e_o.  No one else I've interacted with on this forum has done more damage to the future of Bitcoin and future of freedom than you.  Even after your involvement with the Chipmixer scam, you knowlingy spread continuous lies about privacy weaknesses in Bitcoin that do not exist. Your scheme of tricking people into giving up their data and stealing their coins will finally come to an end.

Why should I ever trust a product that this guy promotes? Even if someone consistently spread lies about me, I would never wish him death. Death is permanent and unfortunately it is beyond our ability to control. I don't wish it to anyone. ANYONE! But this guy, literally said that it is best for the community that a member of the forum dies... No further comment...


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: WhyFhy on January 20, 2024, 05:36:04 PM
Isn't W**abi or any other service which offers a "mixing" service illegal on this forum since the beginning of this month? If promoting mixers is illegal now, promoting W**abi should be a ban offense too. The mods should delete every thread that is about W**abi. (probably this one too)
Mixers (centralized mixing services) are banned but those that provide decentralized mixing service (on noncustodial wallet) like Whirlpool of Sparrow and Samourai, Coinjoin of Jointmarket and Wabisabi of Wasabi are not banned.

Theymos banned only mixers, and Wasabi is not a mixer, it is a CoinJoin implementation.
Theymos may not categorize them as mixers, but literally they are mixers. In short, they are referred to as decentralized mixers.

It's all pretty gray an undefined at this point from what I can tell.
Crazy you cant advertise mixers, but you can advertise a mixer deployment service such as jambler.
Obviously smoke and mirrors and empty meaning.

The only good that's came from this situation is SV finally got banned.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: ineedhelpplease on January 20, 2024, 09:39:58 PM
It’s a shame. Regardless of what the Wasabi team did i’m sure none of them will steep this low to make fun of people for dying, except this one loser of course. Kruw deserves to be perm banned. Why is he even allowed on the forums?


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on January 20, 2024, 11:30:07 PM
The only good that's came from this situation is SV finally got banned.
Do you guys think they banned him as well (Temp ban)?

I have noticed he hasn't uttered anything ever since the debacle. Perhaps someone more sensible PMed him and told him to shut the hell up?
How stupid can someone be to ruin a product they claim they are fighting for in snap just like that.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BabyBandit on January 21, 2024, 03:41:06 AM
Do you guys think they banned him as well (Temp ban)

Maybe karma find him and gave him a lesson.  ;)


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: Vod on January 21, 2024, 04:32:13 AM
It’s a shame. Regardless of what the Wasabi team did i’m sure none of them will steep this low to make fun of people for dying, except this one loser of course. Kruw deserves to be perm banned. Why is he even allowed on the forums?

There are other losers, but they are protected.

However, I still can't let him say whatever he wants just because I'm concerned about the amount of additional lies and baseless accusations he's going to make about me, that I then have to point out/prove false/etc... it's all a fucking waste of energy... but that's what his attacks and smears are designed to do.. Wear you down. I do hope most people can see through his crap.

My attacks?  LOL.  Look at the name of this thread.  People aren't stupid...  Your little group of friends has been dropping like flies after stressing themselves literally to death trying to destroy my honest reputation with lies.  How many more users have to disappear from this forum before you guys stop giving yourselves strokes and overdoses trying to further your petty internet drama?  What are you trying to achieve?  Maybe I can help.

And then this one:

before you give yourself a stroke like Vod
That's low.

I think it's good advice.  How many trolls have to stroke out before we start being honest here?

:/


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on January 21, 2024, 11:10:37 AM
It's just sad how quickly this company sold their principles. I remember using Wasabi in 2020, before 2.0 was released, in their lightweight client. I was honestly impressed by how easy and cheap it was to do coinjoin. I must have suggested it a couple of times in this forum.

But everything began going downwards after the blacklisting update (https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-blacklisting-update/). I remember the people's comments on their twitter. Seemed as if they lost a lot of clients. Then, n0nce sent them a letter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5405325.0), and at this point, I knew we had to do with clowns. The rest is history.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: LoyceMobile on January 21, 2024, 11:18:06 AM
Kruw was just the icing to the cake.
That's not how this expression works....


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on January 21, 2024, 11:40:51 AM
That's not how this expression works....
I swear I've heard it in a negative tone before.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: Vod on January 21, 2024, 12:59:39 PM
Q: What is the opposite of icing on the cake?
A: "Adding insult to injury"
Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=icing+to+the+cake+meaning (https://www.google.com/search?q=icing+to+the+cake+meaning)

Edit:  Another:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7395844-that-s-like-piss-icing-on-the-shit-cake (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7395844-that-s-like-piss-icing-on-the-shit-cake)


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: mrust_mobile on January 21, 2024, 01:09:01 PM
That's not how this expression works....
I swear I've heard it in a negative tone before.

Try:

“It was the cherry on the shit kebab.”


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: nutildah on January 22, 2024, 02:00:57 AM
that-s-like-piss-icing-on-the-shit-cake

https://i.redd.it/zyvth99k3ws21.jpg

Jim Lahey approves

https://i.redd.it/m0bj6ieofpg31.jpg


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: arabspaceship123 on January 22, 2024, 02:09:46 AM
What's icing to the cake. I've heard ppl say icing on the cake & tip of the iceberg.

Kruw was just the icing to the cake.
That's not how this expression works....


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: apogio on January 22, 2024, 07:16:26 AM
What's icing to the cake. I've heard ppl say icing on the cake & tip of the iceberg.

It is supposed to mean "something that makes some situation even better than it already is". I believe BlackHatCoiner used it in a negative sense, and therefore the conversation you have seen above. But anyway, it's crystal clear what he wanted to say.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: Rruchi man on January 22, 2024, 01:27:27 PM
What's icing to the cake. I've heard ppl say icing on the cake & tip of the iceberg.
Icing to the cake - after much discussion has been made, the Icing on the cake is what crowns the whole discussion, it can also mean the highlight of the discuusion or conversation.

Tip of the Iceberg - An example of something, a small portion from something huge.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on January 22, 2024, 01:50:37 PM
Icing to the cake - after much discussion has been made, the Icing on the cake is what crowns the whole discussion, it can also mean the highlight of the discuusion or conversation
What I intended to convey is that there was no necessity for Kruw's disgusting behavior on the forum to prompt us to question the principles of Wasabi developers. They have been showcasing their negative aspects for quite some time now. Wasabi started as a project to make Bitcoin fungible, and now they support the notion that some coins are tainted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457560.msg63192100#msg63192100). They display their cooperation with surveillance firms as a necessity, at the same time they do acknowledge blockchain analysis is inaccurate (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457560.msg63198254#msg63198254).

And countless of other examples which reveal that they are either incompetent with the subject or actively malicious-- which in either case means they can't be trusted with our privacy.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on January 22, 2024, 04:29:33 PM
Come on LoyceV!
What a show you started LOL
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482307.msg63533803#msg63533803

I don't want to delete the post and the follow up posts from others. But the following posts were not necessary, in fact it's moving out from the main discussion.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482307.msg63534269#msg63534269
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482307.msg63534312#msg63534312
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482307.msg63537408#msg63537408
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482307.msg63537438#msg63537438
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482307.msg63538175#msg63538175
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482307.msg63539776#msg63539776
Let's stay on topic. Some of you are better than me to keep things on topic.

What I intended to convey is that there was no necessity for Kruw's disgusting behavior on the forum to prompt us to question the principles of Wasabi developers. They have been showcasing their negative aspects for quite some time now. Wasabi started as a project to make Bitcoin fungible, and now they support the notion that some coins are tainted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457560.msg63192100#msg63192100). They display their cooperation with surveillance firms as a necessity, at the same time they do acknowledge blockchain analysis is inaccurate (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457560.msg63198254#msg63198254).

And countless of other examples which reveal that they are either incompetent with the subject or actively malicious-- which in either case means they can't be trusted with our privacy.
Kruw is not anymore posting. Is he already banned?

Some people are now trying to create an argument that Kruw has nothing to do with Wasabi. I wonder when Bitcoin SV will become the same? We will see a group will try to convince others that Bitcoin SV is not the Bitcoin SV.

Question is not Kruw. Question is all these misconduct from Wasabi and its franchise. Clearly Wasabi team is a group of hypocrites, scamming their community.



Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: apogio on January 22, 2024, 04:59:02 PM
Kruw is not anymore posting. Is he already banned?

Some people are now trying to create an argument that Kruw has nothing to do with Wasabi. I wonder when Bitcoin SV will become the same? We will see a group will try to convince others that Bitcoin SV is not the Bitcoin SV.

Question is not Kruw. Question is all these misconduct from Wasabi and its franchise. Clearly Wasabi team is a group of hypocrites, scamming their community.

I don't know about Kruw, but Bitcoin SV must be banned. He used awful language against o_e_l_e_o and many people (including me) reported him. As a result most of the posts have been removed by the mods.

Kruw is in the contributors' list of wasabi: https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/graphs/contributors. In his profile, you can see he has forked both WasabiWallet and WasabiDoc. He even reviews pull requests if you check the PR history. And of course he replies to issues. So there is no doubt he is involved in Wasabi Wallet.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: LoyceV on January 22, 2024, 06:35:20 PM
Kruw is in the contributors' list of wasabi: https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/graphs/contributors. In his profile, you can see he has forked both WasabiWallet and WasabiDoc. He even reviews pull requests if you check the PR history. And of course he replies to issues. So there is no doubt he is involved in Wasabi Wallet.
Playing devil's advocate here: Isn't the way Github works that anyone can add "commits"? If they're accepted, that doesn't mean the guy works for the project, nor does it mean the project shares his views. It just means he made 7 out of >30,000 "commits".


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: DaveF on January 22, 2024, 09:01:17 PM
Kruw is in the contributors' list of wasabi: https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/graphs/contributors. In his profile, you can see he has forked both WasabiWallet and WasabiDoc. He even reviews pull requests if you check the PR history. And of course he replies to issues. So there is no doubt he is involved in Wasabi Wallet.
Playing devil's advocate here: Isn't the way Github works that anyone can add "commits"? If they're accepted, that doesn't mean the guy works for the project, nor does it mean the project shares his views. It just means he made 7 out of >30,000 "commits".

By his own words he is an contributor:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62080676#msg62080676

In the end does is matter? At this point it's not like he is going to change his actions and I really don't think anybody here is going to change their opinion of him or Wasabi.

I could probably go on for a while about it all, but it's just screaming into the void about the way people act.

-Dave


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: apogio on January 22, 2024, 09:34:50 PM
Kruw is in the contributors' list of wasabi: https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/graphs/contributors. In his profile, you can see he has forked both WasabiWallet and WasabiDoc. He even reviews pull requests if you check the PR history. And of course he replies to issues. So there is no doubt he is involved in Wasabi Wallet.
Playing devil's advocate here: Isn't the way Github works that anyone can add "commits"? If they're accepted, that doesn't mean the guy works for the project, nor does it mean the project shares his views. It just means he made 7 out of >30,000 "commits".

Absolutely, but I don't mean he is getting paid by Wasabi Being involved in open source means just contributing. However someone in wasabi wallet repo requested Kruw to review their pr. I am just displaying the facts. I don't mean anything. He is contributing and that's for sure. I don't mean anything more than that!


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: kayirigi on January 24, 2024, 08:27:30 PM
Scammer Kruwed has negative trust page now.

Wasabi is a government honeypot and scam. So much proof.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480440.msg63442503#msg63442503

Should users with Wasabi advert not also have negative trust page now?


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: decodx on January 24, 2024, 10:53:31 PM
Should users with Wasabi advert not also have negative trust page now?

I do not think so. Even if everything stated in the thread is true, I still don't see an obvious case of a scam. Not that I would personally recommend using Wasabi wallet to anyone, but users are free to promote whatever they want, as long as it is not a proven scam.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: kayirigi on January 25, 2024, 08:27:14 PM
Should users with Wasabi advert not also have negative trust page now?

I do not think so. Even if everything stated in the thread is true, I still don't see an obvious case of a scam. Not that I would personally recommend using Wasabi wallet to anyone, but users are free to promote whatever they want, as long as it is not a proven scam.


It is proven. Proof is all here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5480440.msg63442503#msg63442503

Wasabi is a scam. Doing Wasabi adverts is doing adverts for a scam. They are scamming people.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on January 29, 2024, 10:23:37 AM
users are free to promote whatever they want, as long as it is not a proven scam.
If you mean stealing hard cash only makes a company scam then you seems correct. Ledger compromised their users information. Coinbase did the same a few years back. Information costs billions, it's valuable than cash. When you claim something, market it to gain the trust of your users but practice the opposite then it's a scam. The forms of scam by Wasabi are many. I listed a few at the starting.

Users are free to promote even a scam that stole hard cash, users are still promotion 1xbit. When a member sales his moral over cash then it's absolutely fine. You will find a few people who are exception. The members who are advertising Wasabi is giving Wasabi a platform to deceive more crypto users.

If the forum divides into two parts in a debate about Wasabi then you will see the paid people of Wasabi are in their favour. In this topic, how many of them are participating? More than one page, I didn't see a signature from Wasabi when I scrolled.


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: examplens on January 29, 2024, 01:33:21 PM
If the forum divides into two parts in a debate about Wasabi then you will see the paid people of Wasabi are in their favour. In this topic, how many of them are participating? More than one page, I didn't see a signature from Wasabi when I scrolled.

You oversimplified the analysis and drew conclusions based on unsaid things. If you're talking about signatures, I saw some serious members on that list who would definitely have something to say and it wouldn't be nonsense.
I speak on my behalf (and I wouldn't be surprised if the rest members of the campaign think the same), I don't want to participate in this drama dominated by a couple of trolls (in several places on the forum) where it is impossible to leave any comment or opinion without one of them getting stick with their aggressive outbursts.

note: now you have Wasabi's signature in your thread  ;)


Title: Re: Wasabi, Kruw, users and supporters of their low morals
Post by: DooMAD on January 30, 2024, 12:47:50 AM
That's not how this expression works....
I swear I've heard it in a negative tone before.

Were you possibly thinking of "takes the cake"?  That one is often used to portray a prime example of something bad.

I've not been paying much attention to the Reputation boards lately, as most of it is just petty bickering.  But I'm now massively regretting that decision, as I only became aware yesterday that o_e_l_e_o has already tragically left the forum.  A gut-punch I'm still reeling from.  I hope I didn't miss my chance to say goodbye.  Fingers crossed they might still be checking PMs.

Incidentally, I also missed your announcement of planned absence for the same reason.  But I'm grateful yours didn't last too long.  I need to start keeping a closer eye on this board, though.