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Some persons says gambling is not an investment due to its risky levels but a game of entertainment while some persons says investments are likely to be gambling because you don't foresee the future and can't predict the later outcome.

I think I am exploring in this gambling spaces of risk bearers. While being aware about the techniques in the Ponzi Schemes of attracting the audience to invest lower amount and earns higher, the Investors runs greedily out of their emotional controls and then Invest more than they could afford to loose just because they are attracted by the returns of interests.
Now I am one of the audience (investor) who accepted to face the risk too with my own technical contrast that if it works as thought it is assumed that I won but if it doesn't, then it is assumed that I was late and has lost it.
Now, introduced to an ongoing Ponzi Scheme which I got interest on but then, I tends to know how long the platform has been lunched and the number of participants so I would know the risk level I could be, then I learnt it is about a month launched with about 200+ participants.
Drastically, I feel they are not closed to hitting the scam (platform cashes) button yet because they have less number of participants with minimum of funds in the platform yet which determines the factorizations of them considering to hit the scam buttons.
Now, the platform is programed on daily interests accumulations which can be withdrawn on daily basis depended on individuals decisions.
I already invested $20 on two of my accounts which I have   also made a total of $26 in less than 3 days through the daily withdrawal methods and yet my daily interests keep accumulating and I am up to make more cashouts. Lol.
At this level, I hope if anything compromised maybe they finally hits on the scammed buttons I am of no lost but has profited. So, I awaits them to do their worse. 😆.

This is the level States of mind this gambling space has inspired and aspired me to risks bearing. By so doing, I undertake this circumstances to be an investment because it has the potential to yield incomes and otherwise, it is accompanied with a gambling system because it comes with some analytical mindsets with indictments of greeds if not in control of your emotions. So, you either not invest with what you can't afford to loose or you faces emotional breakdowns.

This is my exploit and diverse in gambling of chasing profits.

Investing is not gambling. In fact, if we invest carelessly, it is usually called gambling, but not in the true sense but only as a parable. Gambling is a game that involves risking money or something that has value and in reality it is very different from investment, and a ponzi scheme is a fraudulent motive that is usually affiliated with an investment motive, and I do not call it gambling but investment fraud

I never try to deliberately invest in something that will most likely be a scam in the future, but because you are ready for the risk and have good analysis before investing, then this is not a problem. But I like your way of managing risk

I struggled to understand your post. It looks to me like you are comparing ponzi schemes to gambling, or likening it to be a form or gamble or risk.

If you choose to walk into a scam cause you believe you would be able to profit from it before it goes bust, that is your decision to make. But it is still a scam and should not be encouraged cause you are actively promoting something you know to be a scam.

This in my opinion is also not a topic for this board.

- Jay -

If I get your point clearly, your saying you've invested in a Ponzi scheme, with a calculated attempt that before it will crash, you might have withdrawn your money. One thing I most let you understand is the fact that, Haven known that the scheme is fraudulent, but yet you went ahead to still invest in it, that means you're promoting ponzi scheme.
You shouldn't have invested your money into that kind of fraudulent scheme. trust me that's not gamebly, that is an illicit business and it shouldn't be compared to gambling in any form.

Gambling with ponzi Is not gambling Is Just taking a stupid risk. Since these are sites designed to scam people.

Moreover I don't know if we can really talk about an investment with figures like that.
if you had to consider withdrawal, deposit and management costs you would practically have nothing left in your pocket

I believe that in any investment, there are risks involved that you can never really eliminate. The best way is to make it really low and have that possibility of earning. Ponzi schemes have been rampant because of the wants or greediness of individuals activating their inner greediness to invest in that Ponzi scheme. I think investing in a Ponzi definitely is a bad idea because it's clearly a marketing ploy, but making sure that it's legal is the important thing.

Risk in investments and risk in gambling is quite different but tied up to luck I guess as well.

I thought I was the only one who had to take time to fully understand what OP was trying to discuss with us, I think he meant that investing in a Ponzi scheme and the risk associated with it can be considered close to gambling.
I have a lot of experience investing in a Ponzi scheme but when investing in this kind of platform you need to be at the right time if you're an early bird and you're good at referring people they will let you cash out, but once they hit profits and there are few or no money coming in, that's the time they will hit off the withdrawal button, then they will take down the site and will try to erase all their tracks, after a few weeks or months they have a new Ponzi scheme.
Investing in a Ponzi scheme is high risk because these kinds of platforms are not meant to stay long, compared to a casino's operation that lasts for years.

I don't believe you are playing around with Ponzi scheme gambling sites. Such sites are created to deceive. those who do get little benefit from what they have deposited, and site managers may hope that gamblers who see an opportunity will make larger deposits.
the first thing they get is the way you feel. they can withdraw daily for a certain amount but when they start to think if they put in more money they can withdraw more money. this is really not good.

If you are a gambler, gambling is not an investment. If you invest on a gambling platform, that is an investment. If you have a bankroll investment, that is also an investment. But as a gambler and you are gambling, that is foolishness if seen s an investment.

Ponzi and pyramidal schemes are investment means to scam. They are created in a way some people which are late investors will lose. So we can say it is a scam, not gambling.  Ponzi scheme is a scam.

I don't thin kit's right to call gambling as a form of investing, or to say to investing that is all luck based and just gambling. The two are very different and we can distinguish them. First of all, gambling is luck based games that involve money and we can't invest money in it, except if we own the casino and run the games ourselves. When you gamble, you place a bet and you instantly know if you won or lost that round. There is no waiting for prices to change and maybe we make a profit, it's either win or lose. With investing on the other hand, we are actually getting ownership of something. It doesn't matter if it is stocks, bonds, crypto currencies, or commodities. In all these cases we own something, that has some value in the future. The price might go down, but even then there will be some value left and we can still sell our assets again. So, with investing it's much harder to lose all our money, compared when placing everything on a single gamble in the casino. If you find a strategy that works for you in gambling, then follow it, just don't think of it as a reliable income.

if investing in gambling sites. it's better to buy the ico coin if a gambling site opens or creates a new coin.
Another thing is that gambling sites that have been trusted are not open investments. for example primedice, bitvest, staket or fortunejake. if it is trusted, it will not be scammed by the gambling site grinders.

It's a big gamble.
Do not wait for them to run out, make them run out. :D Get the ROI as fast as possible then take the profits if ever it's available. Waiting will get you nowhere especially if you know that it's a Ponzi scheme. I have not tried this type of investment yet so you can say I have really no idea about it.
But I did invest in gambling sites before and whenever I see profits I take it out, out means they don't have any chance to take it anymore. A wallet that only you have access to.
"It's better to be safe than sorry." Believe that. There are moments when one investment will just go bankrupt and run without any notice. I am actually lucky that the gambling site I invested with made a notice first and gave time to their investors to withdraw their funds before it was fully closed. It's rare to see a business in the cryptocurrency industry that would do that so I am thankful that I joined them.
Just be really careful with what you will invest in. It's true that high risk means high returns but paired with it is the risk of losing everything.

Investing in most of this ponzi scheme is very risky and when we see them as gambling is another good thing because these site is also gambling and anyone putting money inside should know that they are gambling.

Sometimes the lost can not be endured because of overwhelmness of the profits and some of these websites doesn't last for about 90 days and when they succeeded hitting their targeted audience they would close down their website and go away with people's money. I do asked myself questions about these sites how did they made their profits to be given people such percentage in a daily basis have you come to ask yourself?

This is to show it's very risky and one shouldn't involved himself in this type of gambling which you called it investment.

Investing in ponzi schemes is not gambling. It is pure stupidity. Unless you are the one who is running the ponzi, you will get nothing. Even if you get something somehow, is it worth it? Because your profits are somebody else’s losses. A ponzi scheme is a scam operation. It has nothing to do with gambling. People who “invest” in these schemes aren’t betting on anything. They only expect to see more people join the pyramid so their profits can multiply. People who promote/like ponzi schemes are not liked well here anyway so don’t talk positively about them here.

Though gambling and investments has similarities like both needs us to take risks but the thing is they are totally different. Gambling is based on luck while investment is like acquiring an asset in the hope of it generating profit.

This sums up everything to what you posted, OP.

Let me share you my experience:

Back in 2018, I also invested in a ponzi scheme (USI TECH) wherein they promised returns within a couple of months. Surprisingly, my brother actually profited from that platform where his investments doubled in a matter of six (6) months. The funny thing is, we even attended a conference held in our country in which the creators of USI TECH introduced their product to us. After putting $100 worth of BTC, two (2) months after that, they quickly shut their website and ran away with my BTCs.

OP, gambling by risking your money in a ponzi scheme is not within the spirit of "gambling" in the sense of putting your money in a game of chance. Ponzi schemes are guaranteed scams in which they promise to return your money in a matter of days with ridiculous interest rates; while gambling in an online platform or casino has the immediate factor where you could cash in your money after risking it in a game.

In conclusion, gambling money in a ponzi scheme =/= gambling in a platform.

What are you investing money on?

Assuming someone who takes high risk on Bitcoin with no proper investigation, they will end up buying at a wrong time, the top, but mind you, they have something worthy, only their ROI will take a very longer time to get back, but the value of the asset remains. This is the result of a careless investment on Bitcoin but thankfully Bitcoin is Bitcoin, something far more reliable than anything.

You can't do the same with other assets and mind you, gambling has nothing to do with investing, what are you investing into here? Unless you buy stock of the casino, that's the only reasonable way to invest in gambling, but visiting a casino with the hope of making more money is too unrealistic, that's why you need to wake the hell up, what you have left is you getting lucky, if not, you will lose everything, it's that obvious.

All those who expect so much in gambling, you all have my respect, I don't know where your confidence is coming from, the fairness meaning of gambling is enough to know where it's all going, it's crazy that some people do this with so much passion like they are building a new flying car or new innovation.

Why do you consider investing to be gambling and then compare it to ponzi schemes? Then I guess it's contradictory unless you compare to the bankroll investment that casinos offer.

Anyway, I don't quite understand what you mean, but I'm trying to understand it a little better.

Remember in gambling there is no investment - you're just there to play with the luck of the draw and if you consider it an investment then it's a different thing. You might know where the good investment places are even though there are risks, but I don't think that's gambling and here is a game where you will lose money.

Well, it is clearly stated that... This is my exploit of how I have been nurtured in risk bearing through my experiences of gambling.
However, this wasn't formally stated to be gambling rather it is an in-between same mindsets required of gamblers which are risk bearing with the stakes of funds including the unpredictability of when it could go south.

For those who craves that I am illiciting the promotions of Ponzi Scheme, not as thought actually. This can't come when I have already cleared my mind that I already believe it is possible to be scamming (fraudulent) strategy.
However, maybe I should let some of us know that this gambling stuffs is specifically a risky Indulgences that stakes of valuables are required with the targets to obtain a targeted desire. And there it goes to my motive of chasing after profits with my money in such a risky system that I am aware of that it can be lost at any given time just as gambling is unpredictable to be won and we are likely to lost at 99 times in gambling and could only secure a 1 time winning at the cost of this so legitimate gambling.
Meanwhile... There are also certain places whereas, gambling is termed illegal in the societies and yet, there are still persons who goes ahead and deal with it behind closed doors.

I am a reputable gambler and yeah, I am opened to invest on any form with the potentials of offering benefits. What I can not afford in-between this lines is indulging in the system of frauding anyone. But dupe yes, I can take chances to achieving at any opened privileged to risky my funds for multiplications.

They are two different things and i think what the person is talking about gambling i think is trying to tell how risky investing can be so as gambling but they are different. Because investment your capital is there and your profit is there also and gambling you can loss your money at a spot and also have a good opportunity to make money. Ponzi scheme are for lazy and greedy people i prefer to gamble than go into ponzi, it is more Fraudulent. So  people are just looking for a way out and that is why they engage in what ever they are doing, and out of all both investing and gambling are my thing. And still gamble everyday every minute but investment and gambling carry the same risk. And even does that invested in scam projects feel that the project will change there story. And even with ur research you might not even discover.

How did you come up with that? I mean, investing or investment and gambling are two different things, also in words or meaning. How could you say that investing is also gambling? Let's put it this way: you are investing in something, and yes, you need to stake money. To be a capital for investing, but the thing is, the only reason or way you could lose money in investment is if you encounter a scsm or you didn't manage your investment well due to wrong decision, management, and approach. While in gambling, you play games or stake money while knowing that you have a bigger chance of losing compared to investing, because in investing with proper knowledge, analysis, and management, you could have your ROI or return on investment. While gambling, there is no guarantee that you will return your capital used for gambling. So they are completely different.

It's not a problem that we are not ready to lose or don't dare to take risks in investing in gambling. However the problem is that not everyone has access or a pathway to enter the investment offering area in the gambling sector. If you are talking about investing but you yourself don't have any access to the people in the casino, then it's not much different, the scheme is still gambling, not investing. You need to understand that investment and gambling paths have opposite paths. Even though they are both risky, they are related to the possibility of profit and loss so that investments can be controlled easily. Whereas in gambling you only have the option to go forward or back before all your money runs out. ::)

This isn't just said by someone, it's just a statistical fact. It doesn't need trust to be true.

But maybe rest your point got lost in translation here, but i am trying to decipher it and give a honest opinion.

First of all, daily interests and gambling have nothing to do with each other. And since you are not giving specific examples or naming sites, it stays a mystery how the ponzi scheme, which is very specific (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme) scam fits in this.

Anyone outside of actual banks promising you ridicilously high daily interest of usd value can be considered as a scam. That's it. You don't need to look deeper. If they keep paying at the start, it can be because of the ponzi mechanics. But i can't underline this enough: This has nothing to do with gambling, even if it happens trough casino.

Gambling is not an investment and gambling is not a Ponzi scheme. That's completely different because gambling is gambling with a certain amount of money and the result will be win or lose. If you are lucky, you win and vice versa. But for Ponzi schemes, those who join first may be the ones who can benefit.

Maybe you mean you joined a site with a Ponzi scheme and deposited some money while waiting for the daily interest you can get. You don't know whether the site will last long or only for a short time. If that's what you mean, maybe you are gambling with time when you don't know when the site will close and take all the investors' money. But it's different from gambling in general because you don't play gambling games in casinos.

OP, I don't know in what state of mind you wrote your post, but there are some problematic assumptions that should be addressed.  Comparing speculative investing to gambling fails to capture key differences.  Unlike gambling, which is pure chance, investors make calculated risks aiming for long-term growth.  Additionally Ponzi schemes should not be viewed as merely risky ventures, as they exploit people's trust and lack transparency or sustainability. 

Frankly, your post is a confusing mess. It seems like you've jammed three unrelated ideas into one incoherent jumble. Was there even a point you were trying to make? If so, it's completely lost in the translation – or lack thereof. Get your thoughts straight and try again, because this gibberish isn't worth anyone's time.

Lol, I know that taking this risk and winning some profits might be making you feel like doing it more often.
But this risk is not worth it when you already know that the website is a scam and they can cashout any moment.
So there are good chances that you will be losing you funds if you are out of luck at some point of time.

This doesn't look likes something that  can be trusted because my experience with ponzi schemes over the years is such that I wouldn't ever advice anyone to for any reason be associated with such because you may think you can be smarter but except you are lucky you may still  fall victim and still end up loosing out the way you never expected to so it's perfect to just avoid it totally but for those like you who may want to risk it it's adviced that you only risk that which you can afford to lose at a time and not to trust such too much.

Its even much better to gamble than ponzi investment because with gambling you still have chances of becoming Lucky but with ponzi they can take decisions at any time and your investment is gone.

Gambling is actually played by people for fun, because a gambler knows there is a risk of profit and loss. Yet he freezes there to gamble. Gambling is usually when people become addicted to gambling.  Especially the rich have more greed and desire for this chuwa because they know how to earn as well as from loss. That is why rich people are most addicted to gambling and have fun playing it.

You cant compare apple with orange,
Investing on a gambling site will never gain any profits in the short terms, need more time before the investors get something in returns.
While on ponzi, you will get profits in the short terms or even instant but it will scam you in the long terms.

Every investment is a dance with uncertainty, and you're in the middle of it. I've done similar things, knowing that chasing prospective returns blurs the line between gambling and investing.

The Ponzi scheme insight is remarkable in your approach. I have experimented in high-risk, high-reward domains. Isnt time everything? Investing $20 and seeing it rise to $26 in days inspires greater investment. Being on a winning streak makes it hard to stop.

Despite this, I must remind myself and you that gambling should always be handled with prudence. It's great that you're gambling with what you can handle while avoiding emotional distress. In these environments, this perspective matters. Stay focused on earnings, but remember that the game is about fun, not results.

Gambling can only be referred to an investment by the owners of casinos and different gambling firms, how will gambling be an investment, at least if it is an investment, the profit possibility should be high, for crying out loud this stuff is not potentially certain so how can it be seen an investment.
Though I can't doubt it that gambling has the potential of yielding income, but what extent, all bet being placed by gamblers are not sure, to me I cant see gambling as an investment, in some investment you are sure of profit no matter how small the profit is, but in gambling it isn't that way.

What makes something an investment? The definition will create a barrier between the two because they're being misunderstood most of the time. Investment means there's a manageable risk wherein someone draws an assumption whether it would be profitable over time or years to pass. However with gambling, risk is present but not manageable to chances of winning but rather, with the amount you would bet so that's basically has something to do with managing potential loss; investment is with potential profit (most of the time). Being a gambler makes you an investor of this industry? I'd say more of a user 'coz you'd be the one to 'make' the profit and not the activity itself. Investments are things you will expect profit of by waiting over a period such as something which has value. Another misconception is with business. You could invest in your business but the investment in this instance could be people, tools or equipments, system, and the likes.

I always look at both gambling and investing because investing does not put my money at risk. There is no guarantee that I will get back the money I take out for gambling. Gambling can double the money again. There is a possibility of losing all the money. If I invest, my money will be very safe. Even if I lose money, some money will remain, but if I gamble, I will lose all the money.

I think investing in ponzi scheme is pushing our luck while playing in gambling games is trying our luck.  Pushing our luck in the sense that we know that eventually the ponzi company will run away with our money but instead of avoiding it we invest in it trying to cash out before the company shows its true face being a scammer.

Trying our luck in gambling games simply means we never know whether we will win or not in gambling until the result of the wager is shown.  So yeah these two things involve risk but they are two different things.  Since investment expects a return, gambling depends on an unknown outcome.

Ponzi schemes work by attracting investors by promising high and consistent levels of profit. The scheme owner will target investors and convince them to participate in investing and investing, and to attract investors, the owner will usually make big promises in the form of profits which are quite irrational and not in accordance with the legitimate investment market.

A Ponzi scheme is another form of attempted investment fraud in which funds from new investors are used to pay profits to existing investors, rather than actual business profits. This can create the illusion of profitability, while in fact the scheme is unsustainable and tends to collapse when there are not enough new investors to repay existing ones. So, if an investment is considered a Ponzi scheme, it indicates potential risk and unsustainability. And to protect the wealth you have, you should be careful and do thorough research before getting involved in investment.

If that's what you're talking about, everyone can probably accept it logically. Gambling and investing are almost the same if not done correctly, investment can be called gambling if it is not accompanied by sufficient knowledge, let alone simply following other people. Both have risks but also have advantages if you have a good strategy.

So what Op meant was investing in a Ponzi scheme, and Op was aware of it even though he was taking that risk. I mean Ponzi is still fraud so don't confuse it with gambling, let alone investment, because Ponzi is deliberately done to find greedy victims. You could say that gambling is about luck, investment is an asset for the future but Ponzi has neither, you just have to wait for your money to be taken or run away.

Congratulations for earning handsome money through what you're doing and I hope you keep at it cause to me having a reliable passive income avenue's one of the best things you can give yourself. But let me just tell you straight that this is not considered investing.

For it to be considered as something along the lines of an investment, this has to be a somewhat generally reliable way for people to earn money, and I reckon not a lot of people like you are earning money through this method. So this alone disqualifies it from being considered an investment method. Plus what of the people who sees gambling as not a way to reliably earn money? I think it's only fair that they think so cause for the most part you can't really earn anything out of your gambling journey besides a few screws loose and probably a crippling debt if you're not careful. And the fact that this is a Ponzi scheme makes it even more exploitative as it literally depends upon the people who are under you for it to work. Soon as they realize that something's awry and the jig is up this system's gonna be toast. And what are you going to do by then?

Let's just put this to rest, you can't make money out of gambling, and if someone tells you they could and you should try it you're probably getting duped into becoming a bottomline for their ponzi scheme.

You should be surprised on how many people are willing to participate in a Ponzi scheme (being fully aware it is a Ponzi) for the sake of profiting off the disgrace of others. Their game is to try to get as much interest as possible and get off the scam before it blows up, so they move to the next one using the money they won. To me, it is one of the biggest manifestations of greed and it is completely wrong.
Now, if we talk about gambling as a kind of investment, to me it does not make much sense to compare both of them, gambling is supposed to be about fun and amusement, investment is supposed to be about growing money in the long term, using traditional means.

Those who cannot tell the difference among those scams, investments and gambling are the first ones to run into trouble with their capital. The scammers count on people mixing Ponzi schemes with investments. It is one of the biggest reasons I believe gm financial education is supposed to be a subject in highschool at the bare minimum.

Investment is different from gambling. Investment involves allocating money with the expectation of generating income over time. Investment involves the purchase of assets like stocks, bonds, and real estate to achieve long-term growth. With proper market analysis and information, investment can be reliable but then there is no reliability in gambling.

At every point in time, you can not guarantee the outcome of gambling and so there is no gain investing in gambling. Even with in-depth research, the outcome of gambling can not be known. This is because gambling decisions are driven by luck and not informed analysis. When we look at the Ponzi scheme it is a fraudulent investment but the earlier investors are paid to attract other investors and then it closes enriching the schemer.

Even though it is difficult to win in gambling, it is not fraudulent because when you wager and win you get paid, unlike a Ponzi scheme where after putting in the money you end up not getting value for your money.

From what I am reading, you are not talking about investing in gamblers, or investing in the bankroll of casinos...but you are talking about platforms that are offering an investment, and which you know will eventually scam, to make a profit?

I think this might belong in the investor-based game section as yes in a way it is gambling, but it doesn't quite relate to casinos.

If the strategy is working for you then that is great...though it is dancing with the devil. You are at the mercy of the operator and those who invest as well, and I can only hope that everyone involved has the same mentality as you and that those who are participating are not falling victim to the scam.

OP, What is the platform saying about where investments are going? Is it stating that it's a gambling game, or something else?

that is the dilemma in today's digital age. you can't trust any business to respect what they are promising to their customers. most of the time, you will get rekt into this kind of investment, as they can easily shutdown such service without prior announcement to their clients.
if a casino is offering some kind of investment in their platform, much better to stake your funds in a reputable platform rather than take your chances in a untrustworthy site


do consider in investing in the bankroll of the casino. but even on this investment route, you can't also assure you will get your positive share, especially if the casino itself is just barely surviving. and besides, very rare that you can find a casino offering to invest on their vault to get certain profits. i've seen that before in several casinos, but in today's setting, you are lucky to find one casino having such service.

I think the largest casinos are starting to be more and more privately funded these days.
The more exciting games and innovative gambling games like slots are usually privately funded, and even the few companies that are publicly listed that offer slots to privately funded casinos, they are becoming monopolized lately. Just look at how many acquisitions Evolution gaming has made. The few competitors they have will either go bankrupt soon or be acquired imho.

So I don't think at the moment it's too much worth it to take up the opportunity to invest in gambling in any of the mainstream ways, unless you have enough money to start a competitive and innovative casino.

Investing in the gambling is not easy one,we need to be more dedicated in the game.Because each game is important one in the gambling site,some gamblers will play the game with more strategy.But the gamblers who made the random betting also make the biggest change in the gambling site.The gamblers who want to make the biggest change in the gambling site,should work for the strategy.Because many gamblers was fail to get the strategy for the game.If you can multiple the game money to 10x or 20x using your strategy in the casino,it mean you are ready for the big money win in the gambling site.Just ready money and make big money.

The only form of investment I accept, and that isn't actually owning and operating a casino in the first place, is the ownership of tokens crypto casino's offer. Atm, I'm trying to invest as much as I can in FUN, as I do believe GambleFI has tremendous potential to grow during the next few years. I do like to gamble as well, but I always separate my invested tokens from the ones I use to play with. Makes life simpler, and allows me to avoid unnecessary loss 

Just because you write the word gambling does not mean that the topic has to be on this board and even less so that it is related to the world of betting.

Clarify your thoughts is my recommendation, then deposit and gambling, please, don't confuse with the phrase "bet what you can afford to lose." This is a very poorly used phrase, it is as if they were telling you to burn your money.

You should be aware that Ponzi Schemes will lead you to losses on long run, even though you are being successful on this current endeavour. I believe you are fully excited by this, what will lead you to try repeating the dose once the current scheme crashes down. It's exactly like winning in gambling one: you feel invencible, and wants to keep multiplying your money, so you use your profits to gamble again and again, until you inevitably lose everything you achieved so far, as these aren't sustainable methods of making money.

Be careful to not get hooked on ponzi investments, otherwise they are going to drain all your money. I actually think they can be even worse than getting addicted to gambling, because you may start believing to be possible to analyze when it's safe to invest in a ponzi, although there are never guarantees. The sites can completely disappear at anytime, despite them not being matured yet sometimes. You can even be the first investor of the platform that it won't assure you are going to hit ROI before the pyramid comes crashing down.

Investing in gambling is not the most appropriate thing, because there we will experience a lot of problems, both in the short and long term. Usually people who dare to invest in gambling only look at it with one eye, meaning they don't really understand what will happen next with the large risks that may occur and maybe they think that what they are doing will make them lucky. and the majority thought the money would be more. even though what is clear is that the truth is still very doubtful.
If there are people who have already invested in gambling, they should stop immediately, it would be better to invest in a place that is safe and profitable for us in the future, namely investing in property, gold or just saving. .

You are investing on a ponzi scheme and that doesn't mean that you are gambling. This is because in gambling luck is involved and when you are lucky you can hit the jackpot, and you will win a huge amount of money, but in this your ponzu scheme, there os no luck attached to it, and it will not last because the moment they see that so many people have deposited their money, waiting for the return, they will click on the exit button.

Another thing is that you wouldn't even know when they will shut down their site, and I believe that for your greed to encourage you to put in that amount of money into the ponzi scheme with two accounts, there is high possibilities that you will increase the amount of money for a higher return, or even create other accounts. The choice id your and it is your funds so enjoy.

Investing is different from gambling, because when you invest, you allocate a certain amount of funds to invest in an instrument, whether in the long or short term, and you carry out in-depth analysis of it to get profit opportunities. Meanwhile, gambling is when you risk your money on a game and you only rely on your luck on it to get instant results.

and what you are doing is gambling. You gambled your money on a Ponzi scheme whose future was uncertain, and didn't really expect a return from it, but you were lucky that the money you put there produced a return. I think that you are quite lucky in this regard.

Reading OPs post... kind of hurts.

Anyway from what I got, this isn't even about gambling (but it is a gamble technically), it's just OP showcasing how he's able to take advantage of whatever Ponzi scam he's talking about. Now far from being about gambling, this is just about investments instead really which btw I don't recommend. It's simply because investments are there to benefit you in the long run most of the time. Instead of wasting your time trying to take advantage of whatever and however you can with ponzi scams, it'd be much better to find a long-term investment that can generate profit for you passively and increase in value in the long run as well.

And if we're comparing gambling and investing, well, it all amounts to risk appetite I guess? I'm more open to risking more in investments since it's, well, investments but with gambling? A clear limit is always set beforehand. Always.

This can be a mis-perception by many when it comes to investing, and they believed that if there's a risk that can be gambling where in fact they can actually lower that risk to avoid losing that much and to avoid being trap in gambling.

These two is different at all, once you study the fundamentals of investing, I'm sure you can be more confident about it while in the actual gambling activities, regardless of your strategy the risk of losing big is still high and there's no way to lower it not unless you'll stop betting at all.

Gambling is not an investment. In gambling, you use money and that money can be lost after you finish gambling. Meanwhile, if you choose the right investment program, you can make a profit. Even though there is a risk of losing money, as long as you can get a good investment program, you can prevent that risk.

But if you don't know the investment program or look for more information, you are gambling with the investment. You don't know whether the investment program will generate profits or whether you will experience losses. And you deposit a predetermined amount of money while waiting for the profits to be withdrawn.

But whatever it is, when it comes to your money, you should spend what you can afford. That's to avoid disappointment if you can't get a profit. And when gambling, you also have to use the money you can afford.

You seem to have understood how Ponzi schemes work as the system for the first arrivals and you have analysed it very well to know you will be among those that will profit before even the scheme hits the rock. Yes Ponzi scheme is usually for the early subscribers and there won't be any need to join when the time for the exit scam is already near. You are lucky to have taking out your initial capital and probably some profit so far.


I think being a gambler exposes someone to risk taking including to be in a Ponzi scheme even with knowledge of it not that you are deceived into joining it. As a gambler, the target is usually the cashout that matters just like it is expected also in gambling . So a gambler has the courage already for risk taking, he is not scared of risk and understands the need for emotional control and bearing loses. This is why a Ponzi is already known to a gambler as win or lose.

Perceptions of gambling and investment are very different, of course. And this is often equated because it carries equally high risks. Of course, as you said, investment will be more convincing and profitable if we know and know the realm of investment, unlike gambling, no matter how knowledgeable we are about gambling games, this is only a matter of chance and the risk of loss is still quite large and can cause losses up to loss of funds.

Gambling in investment is just a term due to a lack of confidence or an instrument that is not strong enough so that investment still has a risk of fraud.

Investing involves some smarts and planning, while gambling is basically throwing darts blindfolded. But hey, I respect your risk-taking spirit! Chasing profits is cool, just remember it's not guaranteed like a government handout. It's more like that crazy startup with the jetpack delivery system – sounds awesome, but could crash and burn faster than a disco ball in a power outage. The key is to be prepared for the bumps and bruises, like having a financial airbag while still aiming for the stars. Do your research, analyze the situation, maybe even get some expert advice – think of it as being a financial ninja navigating the wild world of money.

True I think this perception is in agreement because gambling is not an investment so the correct investment is not in gambling but in other sectors with a real program even if it is in digital we can know that bitcoin is a place where to invest so this program will have future benefits.

Now there are many investment programs while believing that assets have value and large capitalists then you will have long-term benefits, investing is always a risk but will not lose all the money or in an instant like gambling even though there are some who offer this but I still doubt it.

We must have the right goals, do not equate investing to gambling for me this is a bit wrong although there are some statements of bankroll investment that casinos offer, but I have never been interested at all.

What is certain is that there are many exploitation methods that people use only for personal gain. Obviously, if you exploit gambling only to seek personal gain, it may be suitable for you but not for other people.

I can't behave exploitatively, regarding investment with gambling, I have a different understanding of all that, gambling has a higher level of risk, but investment is not like that, if you play one game and win $2/day it is not an investment, You are just more focused on luck, the money you save $20 in your gambling account could be gone in a matter of seconds, investment is not like that, investment is not a game.

Investing can be considered a form of gambling as you are risking your money hoping for a return on your investment, but you are not guaranteed a profit. I know many people who invested and the stock market crashed, they lost their money or at least a good portion of it.

So you're publicly admitting that you exploited an investment scheme in a casino and made money still you have balance left to withdraw?

I wonder which casino has such poor security system because every casino that is supposed to be reputed will have good security system that won't allow more than one account per user if there is some kind of bonus, rewards, etc. I advise you to read their ToS and don't violate anything and better not to invest any penny into the platform anymore.

OP, you are totally wrong comparing gambling and investment, they are not just the same thing, not the same view, not the same goal plan and even the modality of operation and structures are never the same thing. What you are thinking wrongly is the risk involvement, fine, the risk is in the two, but not the same level of risk. However, note, that by investment, I do not mean all these hypes and HYIPs, I mean real investment, and when we talk about real investment, you can't appropriately compare/link them to gambling, the risks are different. If one is looking at the HYIPs, for example, the person will make a mistake because most people know that HYIPs will crash soon or later, so anyone who is wise participating in it is actually taking a level of risk which is higher than what we take in the normal and sane investments. But this is still not the same risk in gambling.

It is clear in gambling, it is an immediate condition whether you lose or you gain, and your fate is made known immediately after the game is over. It could now be worse when it is a casino's section of gambling, one cannot use a certain working style to always win but will have to rely on luck. But with the HYIPs you narrated, you need more of smartness and wisdom, not luck to outsmart the brains behind it and get out your money before it crashes. Assuming that it crashes before your face due to your greed, then it could only be that you were not smart with it. To crown it all, in real investment, you allow your money to work for you and give you a return and you do not necessarily lose the money at once, unlike in gambling. If you want, you may still opt out of the investment and keep the rest amount you have after the loss. But in gambling, you are actually betting on that money entirely, and you lose it entirely when you are wrong with the prediction, which makes it riskier.

does the ponzi platform allow you to see how many participants?  i would be surprised because these scammers are greedy.

i think OP is just playing around though
seeing he is just sending a small amount and he gets back half of his capital in 3 days too. i think it's worth the gamble by the result of it. who knows he could get as much as 10x of his capital before the ponzi finally ponzis.

Bitcoin is an investment that we already know. Gambling is an activity. And those activities require money. But to invest in Bitcoin, it's like we save our money in another form. We will later gain profits when the Bitcoin price increases again and exceeds the last ATH.

Indeed, there are many investment programs out there. But we don't know whether there are investment programs that actually provide profits or not. We have to deposit the Bitcoin or money into the investment program. Meanwhile, there have been many investment programs that ended up being scams and we lost our money.

But if he invests in Bitcoin and keeps it in his own wallet, he will not lose his Bitcoin. And as long as he can store his Bitcoins well, his Bitcoins will be safe and he will not lose his Bitcoins. He can sell his Bitcoins whenever he wants. He can also sell it when the Bitcoin price reaches a new ATH.

     -   It is true that gambling has a high risk level, and there is nothing wrong with that because that is the reality that is happening in this era. But I also don't believe that gambling on a casino gambling platform here in cryptocurrency is an investment.

I don't know how it became an investment in the belief of other gamblers, but even so, investment in gambling is far-fetched, and most communities in this field of gambling know it.

Theres only one route to invest and thats to own a share of the house.    Sometimes there is a possibility to take royalties possibly but to gamble is to speculate not invest, two different things.   People confuse possibly all three avenues, savings, speculation and invest but they are all different things.   Some people just spend all their available cash as soon as they get it so the rush from having any capital available makes everything seem like an investment in comparison when its not really.  You can invest your time in a subject I guess, study and improve your chances I wont disagree with that much.

I understand your point that investments in Ponzi schemes or HYIPs are just like gambling where if you are lucky, you will get your return on investment before the website or platform turns into a scam and if you are unlucky, you will lose your investment. But to be honest, I don't find it ethical because if you don't know let me tell you, the money that you get from them is the money that they collect from other users, and if you manage to get your return of investment, others that invest after you will not be able to do that.

So, you are getting money from other people and not from the pockets of the creators of that platform. When they decide to close shop and run away, they take the money of people that invest at the end and go away, those who invested earlier will get profit or at least return of investment but those who invest later will lose their money.

Well, there was an investment feature in gambling before and it was popular here in this forum. But right now, there are fewer gambling sites that offer this kind of feature and I don't think they yield better than before.

Yes, it is true about the high risks involved in gambling either investment features or gambling itself. We don't know if they are reputable enough to stick with what they promised or they will be gone after they take what they want from the investors.
I've actually made some good money in Bitcoin before in this type of investment.
But there's a difference with what OP had joined. Where I invested is not a Ponzi scheme because it will actually be used for the capital of the gambling site and they are giving away monthly yields from all the profits they made from the gamblers who keep on losing their bets.
I think it's a good option for gamblers especially those who are not large bettors. They want a safer route and I think that is it, the only problem is it's difficult to find a gambling site with enough trust rating so our money is not in jeopardy of being scammed.

Yeah Ponzi is considered as investment but dumb investment since you are investing on scammer hoping that they will pay you before they shutdown the scheme. This kind of investment is not even worthy to be categorized as risky since it’s an obvious scam scheme so it’s better to threat it as lost investment already.

Your being exposed to risk due to gambling seems like gives you a bad take on how to approach risk. You should avoid extremely ponzi scheme now that you experience gambling risk since you keep losing even if you have a chance to win on gambling while ponzi doesn’t give you any room to profit.

To reach a level where betting/gambling is an investment, you need to be very good at it. It will be necessary to carry out a very good analysis of the situation, as well as the investments. That's why it's important to know a lot about the subject so that it becomes a true investment.

Investments differ from gambling not in the level of risk or the ability to see the future, but in the fact that gambling is a zero-sum game (unlike investments) here money is only distributed and not earned. In investments, it’s easy to imagine a situation where all investors win, but now try to imagine the same situation in gambling  ;)
As for your participation in the Ponzi scheme, since you understand everything well but decided to take a risk, then you can treat it as entertainment.

I personally consider it to be a deceitful investment. The reason being, when one chooses to invest in gambling, they are taking a substantial risk and it is not advised as a prudent investment strategy. Unlike traditional investments that involve tangible or financial assets with the potential for steady growth and income, gambling is more speculative in nature and does not assure profits. Furthermore, luck plays a significant role in gambling outcomes and unpredictability is a crucial factor. There is no assurance of making a profit and the possibility of losing money is exceedingly high. Moreover, there is no inherent value or prospect of long-term gain in such an endeavor.

If you ever have the desire to invest, it would be advisable to delve into investment possibilities that are characterized by stability and alignment with your long-term financial aspirations. These could include shares, bonds, or even property. To gain a comprehensive understanding of the investment choices that best match your unique financial circumstances and goals, it is highly recommended to seek guidance from a proficient financial advisor.

I doubt ponzi sites provides a legit stats with their members because they probably faking it if ever they have this feature since their goal is attract as much as possible user that will deposit fresh money that he will use to payout early investors. Ponzi will not run if there’s a continuous flow of cash coming in. They are just starting to run if they are paying more on the passive income of old members than what they are receiving from new deposit.

I remember ponzi doubler by reading this topic. I’m addicted before on risking money on doubler. I manage to double and rollover my funds before but I lose it all in the end after the site runaway on my last try. This scam ponzi scheme is worst and can’t be comto gambling in terms of risk. It’s not gambling.

I'm really having trouble understanding your post, OP. If you could just get right to the point, you wouldn't need to use extraneous words to inform us, and we could then respond to your post with a neutral and objective response.
 
All in all, I only know that gambling and investing are not the same thing. From my perspective, when we invest, it is simply the process of assigning resources, usually your money, with the hope of eventually earning financial rewards. Of course, making informed decisions and carefully weighing the associated risks are essential when investing. I believe that investing is typically linked to long-term financial planning and the accumulation of assets.
However, gambling entails taking a financial risk on uncertain results in the hopes of obtaining more money. Usually, as gamblers, we have no control over the outside things that affect the outcome of our bets. The only thing, in my opinion, that the two have in common is that they both entail money, which is natural given that humans are prone to taking risks in order to determine whether they truly change what we do in life.

The capital raising is not the easy one for the person to inverse in the gambling or the business.Because he need to use their savings to the game,the trader mostly use to inverse in the gambling site with the person who know more about the gambling site.The gambling site was mostly created by the gambler or it will be created by the developer with the guidelines of the gamblers.The one who know more about the gambling site can create the same gambling site.The gambling investment also made by the gamblers to be a part of the gambling site by holding some investment in that gambling site,because it will create a passive income to the investor of the gambling site.The background study was important before the investment of your money.

It would be so stupid of me to believe that investing is available in gambling, that's ridiculous, there is no investment in gambling, you are taking risks using your money, there is no stocks or precious stone to buy here and hold for price appreciate in the future.

People need to stop treating gambling as an investment, they are not the same, risk only what you can afford to lose, those who believe that they can make any form of investments from gambling are stupid people, sorry to say, they need to learn the meaning of gambling before calling is an investment.

Gambling can never be a source of income or any investment, you are simply working your way up to disaster, you will end up broke if this is your mindset with gambling, don't do it, risk only what you can afford to lose.

Investment is only considered on the time that you are really that making some bankroll investment with the house and this is the only way it could be considered to be one but if you are really that still
betting even if it happens to be indirectly then it cant be considered to be an investment but rather its still betting or still doing gambling.

Just like on what most people been saying on here that no one would really be that interested on passing up their funds or money into someone online. We cant just trust no one with the funds
plus there's nothing that could be represented whether that someone who do offers such betting to be that having a good stats when it comes to gambling wins.
It is really just that no one will really be trusting up this kind of set-up but well if there's a way on convincing people then it might be pushed through.

You are talking about the general term of gambling and investments (in life). What you are doing is not a gambling (in terms of entertainment) and it's not investment either. It's promoting scams, to scam more people. Imagine you keep depositing and inviting to have your account getting the profit when someone joins and deposited to that ponzi scheme.
In simple terms you are helping that ponzi platform to get rich and make more victim. So stop joining ponzi schemes.

Ponzi schemes are out of the league when compared with gambling. If you are to rate gambling and crypto trading, it's understandable based on the risk involved. The forex market can also be added to that category, but you see Ponzi schemes that are pure scams and should not be compared to crypto trading or gambling.
 
It's only those who don't know how Ponzi works that will link the three together. Gambling is risky, and it's fun to play, but if you study the game well and proceed with caution, you can be able to limit the risk you will take in gambling, which is not the same way when it comes to Ponzi. The developers and those scammers will always look for a way to outsmart you using your own greed against you.

There are similarities and differences, between risks in investing and gambling. When you gamble, you.. Lose immediately whereas investing involves putting your money at risk with the potential to earn more based on the performance of assets. Some prefer gambling over Ponzi schemes even though both attract people seeking investment opportunities. Both investing and gambling come with their set of risks even if one conducts research and takes necessary precautions.

Gambling is not an investment; in fact, anyone who claims that gambling is an investment is ignorant of the nature of investments. Unlike gambling, which is simply a game in which you place bets and wager money without knowing if you will win or lose, investing involves researching potential investments and determining whether they are risky or not. Once you make an investment, you anticipate a positive return; while some investments can be riskier than others, making an investment requires careful thought and research.

We shouldn't even compare those two since they are so dissimilar from one another. Gambling is a game that nobody can predict the outcome of, and occasionally we gamble to the point where we nearly lose a lot of our possessions. Did you also know that we spend more money on gambling than it does winnings? However, unlike investments, which you make with some of your own money and eventually gain more from than you initially invested, gambling is, to be honest, purely recreational and reserved for those with the means to do so.

Gamblers who has become successful in gambling, they consider it as an investment but for those who are unsuccessful it is still a risky wager game. In investment we get assets but with gambling we got this fifty-fifty chances to get a positive shot. 😅

I will never go into any that's scam just because I believe that I can make money off it, or maybe I think that I am smarter than others, Ponzi schemes are lions dens, even while you know they are and you think you can outsmart them you won't see it coming, that I promise you, gambling is better than Ponzi schemes because Ponzi only favours the early birds, and most of those HYIP platforms don't stay around for more than weeks or month.

I have lost a lot of money through high yield invest and I stopped trusting them, if you want to do this I will advise you should risk very little money, Ponzi is the worst of them all, because you won't know when they will pull the plugs.

Mind you, there is no way to turn gambling into any investment, if you claim that gambling is investment then I don't know where you get your dictionary, these have two different meanings, and gambling will always be more risky and unsafe than investment.

Gambling is not an investment. That is what we need to know. Even though we use some money to gamble, we still risk losing all the money. When we start gambling, the chances of losing will become greater, but many gamblers don't realize this, so they experience even more losses. Meanwhile, if you choose the wrong investment, you also have the potential to lose your money, so if you want to invest, you have to really make sure the investment is safe and can provide profits. We must be able to find more information about the investment before we decide to join so that the good offers do not fool us.

Of course, because the real meaning of investment is buying number of assets or shares and saving them for the long term to let the assets or shares work by themselves to have higher value, this is way to generate profits and is often called letting money work to produce money.
But in gambling, some people consider investment in different way, there are those who consider gambling to be good investment because they are risking money, there are also those who consider investing by giving money to other people to bet and can get share of the winnings.
Assumptions and points of view regarding investment in gambling have many things that cover them and these differences depend on the mindset and point of view of each gambler, but I think they have the wrong point of view about investing in gambling.

I have also stated several times that gambling is very different from investing because gambling is full of risk and uncertainty, after all in gambling the risk that occurs is losing all the money as whole.
This is clearly different from investment performance in general, investing is making profits with guaranteed security of assets for security rather than risking money and losing it all.
Some gamblers who have different and wrong views on investing in gambling must be able to change it. Investing in gambling can truly be said to be the perfect investment if you invest money in gambling site with an agreed profit sharing.

Nothing that good management of losses and gains does not make gambling a form of investment. Obviously the entire process until reaching this point will be quite long. But until then you can manage all profits and losses.

i don't think so, even though gamblers have been successful at gambling they don't consider it an investment but it's still gambling, because when they gamble they bet money and they can't be 100% sure that they will be able to win the gambling, since there are definitely people who smarter than them or luck is not on their side.

it can only be said to be an investment when a successful gambler invests their money on a casino platform and later they will get some of the profits from the shares they invested in it. that's just called investing in gambling because they get profits from the shares they hold, whether in the long or short term.

I think you could consider gambling an investment if you know what you're doing to at least some extent.  If you have no idea what you're doing, I would probably classify it in the same realm as like buying a lotto ticket.  I'm not sure I would consider that investing.  I mean for me, betting on NFL games is really not all that much different than taking a gamble on individual stocks. 

Thankfully you have learned your lesson and won't put your money anymore on such schemes which only bring losses and pain to investors on long run. I wouldn't advise anyone to try these investments, even with low sums of money, because it might seduce them to deposit larger amounts of money later, as they make profit or as they keep losing, since they will want to chase losses. Ponzis and HYIPs are always unpredictable. Some investors believe it's possible to know when to enter and when to exit from a scheme, due to following HYIPs monitors websites online, but in fact, they aren't a guarantee for anything at all...

If such earnings method worked, they would be more popular on the internet, while what I see in fact is that their popularity has been decreasing since I started dealing with cryptocurrency. I don't see many ponzis and HYIPs being promoted right now, although years ago they were very frequent and popular, especially under the cloud mining business' flag.

You have the numbers 50-50 already. Know the definition of gambling first and something won't be automatically an investment just because they are successful of it. Profit potential and presence of risk are not the only factors to consider to tell if an activity or a particular thing is an investment. Is the risk manageable? Will it have a higher market value in the future? Will it give you profit over time? These are somehow present with gambling however there would be no price chart or analysis that could increase the chance of earning profit in gambling. Odds of wining and losing are most of the time equal likewise with the numbers mentioned above.
Knowing what you are doing won't be enough. Perhaps with casino games, concepts are simple, will your chace of winning increase? I assure you that it won't. Gambling would only be an investment if you are paying a 'professional' to gamble for you and if there would be a projected profit along the way. In gambling, it happened that even those who won big time, are also losing in some instances; it could be days, weeks, or even for a month or more. That's the difference of gambling over other profitable activities.

Their is no comparison between them both, why would you compare investment to gambling? Gambling is what we do for fun and it's a game we try our luck using money as bait, that if you are right, you win something, and if you are wrong, you lose the money you use to stake, but investment is a long term project that always comes with a reward and dividend if invested rightly.

Secondly, comparing ponzi scheme to investment is really a stupid thing to say publicly, because you already know how Ponzi scheme operate, you know that what you are investing in is ponzi, and you still go ahead to put your money, to me that is really a stupid act that you should avoid by all cost.

That's how investment works, so it's different from gambling, and people who gamble are not investing but are gambling where they will experience losses more often than they win. In investing, people can get benefits if they choose their investment program or choose to invest in bitcoin so that they can get big profits from holding bitcoin for a certain time. But in gambling, once they lose, they have lost their money, and it is difficult to get the money back even if they deposit another amount of money. They may be able to invest in the casino by staking certain coins and getting a return. It is an investment because the funds they use to invest are not lost but instead are staked in the casino. And they can get profits after the investment time is over.

I used to invest in casinos using bitcoin and other coins, and that gave me additional returns because, at that time, I used quite a large amount, so my returns were also large. At that time, the price had not risen much, but after I sent it to my wallet and kept it for a while, there was a very high increase in the coins, so when I sold them, I managed to get a big profit. But if there are people who still say gambling is an investment, that's up to them because we can't change what they believe. But they should also be able to find out the truth because, after all, gambling is not an investment. And if there are still casinos that allow them to invest in their casino, they could use it to increase the number of coins.

I must say that I like to align with your view here and not that of the OP, investment shouldn't be pretended to be another thing or linked with Ponzi, no, an investment is an investment, and we should also be thorough in weighing the risks of our investments so that we are not even gambling or engaging in some risky deals but thinking that we are investing or relate them together as he did. The best thing in this regard is for the person to know the nature of what he is doing, the risk involved and our affinity for it, take the feasibility studies and know what is in for him through it if the risk is taken at all. By doing this, one will be able to conclude on the risk level and whether or not is worth it. If it is investing in Ponzi (which I will never support) as the OP tells of it, it could be nice, but the risk in his own approach is too much, think it through very well. If care is not taken, such will lose so much money and that will be a tonne of regret for him.

No one should consider this either. Not only are you investing in the exploitation of fellow man's weakness of greed, though you are losing a serious risk to your capital. There have been several exit scams from externally funded casino bankrolls. The result? 100% loss and there is most likely nothing that you can do about it.

Everyone should remember that a lot of these casinos have licenses that are held by people who probably have no correlation with the casino. When the casino pays for their license, do you think that they go into an office and complete formal paperwork in Curacao? No, they sure don't. They pay top dollars for the license, they get their license from the provider. What's in between likely has nothing to do with the identity of the operator. Liability = next to none.

I'm not condoning playing with scams like the OP is asking about. I wouldn't condone investing in a casino either.

From what I could make out from the OP's post, they invested in a ponzi scheme and made some profit.

This is definitely possible, if done in the initial days of starting of the ponzi scheme the new investors are used to pay the old investors, eventually the flux of new investors reduces and the last few investors are left with no returns while the oldest investors are having their pockets full - dont forget that the maximally old investor is the owner of the site. ;)

However this is one type of gambling and is a high risk gamble. Newbies should not try it and I never recommend it to anyone.

Agree with you, gambling is not a place to invest well, it is a place to throw away money easily and quickly without any restrictions or rules and losing money happens more often than winning.
Agree, if we want to invest we have to be careful and careful first with the platform we are going to use to invest, because currently there are a lot of frauds regarding investment or fake investments among the general public, it's easy for them to cheat and cheat. . community using various methods that have been prepared. well and neatly. If people are not sensitive and careful, it is easy for them to get involved in fraudulent investments.

I agree with you, gambling is not an investment, because as far as I know, investment is an activity of investing capital, directly or indirectly with the hope that in the future the owner of the capital will obtain certain profits from the results of his investment, although it is almost the same as gambling, but this is It's different, in my opinion, gambling itself is a paid game that has the potential to be profitable if you are lucky, but what is clear is that as you say, the possibility of losing is large or making a loss.

Yes, that's true, investments also have the potential to be detrimental, but this can be minimized with the knowledge or knowledge you have. In order to invest, of course we have to be smart in choosing investments that are truly promising, because currently, in my opinion, many investments are fake or deceptive. With that fact, we must be able to see that investment cannot be done carelessly, of course it must be done carefully too.

Definitely,ponzi schemes are big time decievers.why will one put interest in such
By the way you can't make gambling an investment or gambling is not an investment.yes we all know what investment is like but not in Gambling,when one invest you tend to nurture your deposit or rather grooming your money to be bigger and again we know that there may be unforseen circumstances as pertaining investing but not associating it with gambling because you may see no results.
You just spend,stake and stake and at the end you loose.

But if OP thinks he can invest in gambling I think he's being scammed really Good and it's doing so with this ponzi schemes sites.
Which will be of no betterment.

Truly sports betting is a different method when it comes to gambling. The chances of us winning the bet are way higher than it is with casino games. That's why I always think that I am better off just putting higher bets in sports than putting small amounts in casino games while waiting for a high multiplier that seems to be nowhere to be found.
Like a week ago, I tried achieving the x1000 in Plinko in small bets and as I checked my graph and statistics, I am already at 30k times of bets, and yet no Plinko ball dropped on that area of x1000. Heck even the one before it x170 if I was right, was very rare to hit. This just tells how difficult it is to win against the house. So, it's better to just keep on playing in sports betting than there because it could be a waste of money in casinos while we can put all those in a 50-50 chance in sports.
Anyway, it may not be an investment but once we put together all of it, we may have accumulated good money, and the good part is we enjoy watching sports games that we prefer while our money is on the line.

If you are playing then its not really an investment since there's nothing to get there if you are aiming t o get a passive profit from this platform. But if the casino offer a investment and earn some percentage with them then that's how you can earn thru investment with them and there are several casino before offering that but now they stop since maybe they don't want to encounter huge issue.

This thread compiled the list of crypto casino offering this investment before  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247587.0 if someone curious to know about this, but I don't know if this is a completed list but people doesn't know about this could check the thread.

You are right on this. Most Ponzi schemes are associated with investments, and even many people who think it is an investment will end up saying that it is a Ponzi. Those who say that Ponzi has experienced fraud from the person who created the site because they were tempted by the profits they could get from the site. They don't look for what real investment is and think that such programs are investments. Even though those who have bought bitcoin should be able to hold onto their bitcoin tightly because investing in bitcoin is an investment that can provide benefits compared to if they sent their bitcoin to that site, those who want to join investment must be able to learn everything first and don't rush to join, let alone immediately deposit some money. Likewise, if they want to invest in gambling, they can stake the coins offered at the casino.

Hopefully, people can learn about investments first before they decide to join the investment program. Moreover, nowadays, many unclear investment programs can make them. They don't need to decide quickly but have to research the investment program because this concerns the money they will use to invest. If they have found that the investment program is correct, they don't need to immediately use big money to start investing but start with small money. Don't be easily tempted or attracted by advertisements that offer profits quickly because whatever the investment, it will take time. And if they already know Bitcoin, it's better for them to invest in Bitcoin and not send their Bitcoin to other places.

Gambling is an activity that uses money, like watching a film at the cinema or going to an entertainment venue that requires us to pay for an entrance ticket. But we can win from gambling, and it is not an investment because the investment must be saved for a certain time, and we only need to wait for the time to finish before we can get the profit. But most investment programs like that will only end in fraud, especially as many have experienced this. So be careful if you want to join an investment program like that, and make sure that the investment program is correct.

Many investment programs have ended up causing losses to their investors, such as when the site owner ran away with the investor's money without notice. This means that investors must be careful in choosing their investment program and not just be tempted by attractive offers from their investment program. By always being careful and researching the investment program, you can keep us away from fraud. And we also don't need to use a lot of money to start investing.

Yea, gambling can never be an investment. In investment,  we often have a picture of a product or asset(whether physical or digital produc or asset) or service we tend to work on, promote and finance,  then expect returns immediately or in future.  Same cannot be said about gambling that involves mere making predictions and win if your predictions are accurate. There is no product to be sold, no service rendered and no business plan aside making accurate predictions.

A person who owns a casino or who has a share in a casino is an investor and not a gambler. At least, there's a degree of certainty in the project you are putting your money into. The fact we risk our money in a business we are not sure will will give us an expected return does not make it gambling.  So when comparing, we should know what exactly we are putting our money into, if there is no item or service of value involved,  then it cannot be investment .

Gambling and investment is two different things and i dont know on why people keep on spouting about the two. The only thing that gambling would turn out to be an investment if you do
make out that directly bankroll investment but if you are someone whose really that directly making up some gambling betting or activity then you are just simply a gambler.
Basing up on the conditions that we are seeing on OP on offering some potential investment which it isnt really an investment but rather an indirect betting of course.
You would really be getting a percentage profit out of those profits that had been made by those pooled funds that being used on betting or gambling.
Yes, its still gambling after all and the risks you are making is doubled considering that you had made out some deposit into other peoples hands.

Yes, it's impossible to get good profits. However, there may also be people who gamble like it's a full-time job, hoping that gambling can produce consistent profits, but in my opinion it won't work, because in gambling the chance of winning is smaller than the chance of winning and therefore it's impossible to get it. stable and consistent profits by gambling. Maybe there are those who offer investment with gambling as you say, but in my opinion gambling is more about entertainment, not investment.

In fact, in my opinion, gambling investment occurs in people who actually finance a casino, because the profits can be guaranteed too  by them investing funds or shares in the casino in the sense of financing the casino perhaps it can generate profits, but if we are only based on players it is not an investment. .

This is the same as playing tourist attractions, we have to pay by using money in exchange for tickets to be able to feel the sensation in it but with gambling there is a doprize that can be obtained if we are lucky in gambling the money used for gambling will not last long, even in my opinion in under 5 hours it will run out so this cannot be said to be an investment, which investment requires a sufficient period of time to make a profit.

It's also true that you say we have to be careful if we want to invest, not just choose any investment, because there are also many fraudulent investments. gambling or investment has its own risks so we still have to be vigilant in taking action, but in gambling the risk of losing money is certain even  in my opinion it cannot be avoided in any way, unless we avoid big losses it can be minimized with good self-control.

That's right, gambling and investing are two different activities. Gambling is an exciting activity if someone can enjoy it and what is clear is that the results can be both losses and profits, but often many people lose, whereas when investing we do good activities with good goals so that one day we will make a profit. for ourselves, but we must be able to choose the right investment. true and correct.

It depends on your perception in gambling, it could be an investment if you are willing to risk a capital to start your own gambling site, or some may call investing when you are into sports betting, I'm talking about the professionals in gambling. However, it's not advisable to follow that path if we don't have the kind of discipline they have, yes, it's about discipline when you think you can go beyond entertainment to win

For us, being such a typical gamblers, we better stay safe and that is by gambling for fun only.

Yes, gambling is similar to when we visit tourist attractions and spend money to pay for the entrance ticket to get fun and entertainment from the tourist attraction. When we are at a tourist attraction, we also have to spend more money to be able to use everything at the tourist attraction, but some don't need to pay anymore. It's the same as what we do in gambling, where we prepare a certain amount of money to play some gambling games, but there is a possibility that we can win or lose even though there is more chance of us losing than winning.

And when we want to invest, we have to be really selective in choosing it so that we don't get fooled by scam investments that will cause us to lose our money. But gambling is not an investment, and that is what we have to understand because by gambling with money, we will experience defeat, and it will be difficult for us to win. If we don't want to lose a lot of money, we should always be careful when using money for gambling because we also have to be responsible for the money we use. We don't want to lose a lot of money in one day, so we have to take care of ourselves.

Gambling is not the right place for investing, I don't ever consider the money I budget for gambling to be an investment. Wherever I invest I have an expectation that I will get a good return from that investment. But in gambling one can never expect that. Because gambling is more about losing than winning. So putting money in gambling can never be thought of as anything other than entertainment. Even then, if a person succumbs to greed, considers gambling as an investment and invests. I think that would be the biggest mistake for that person. So every person should consider gambling as a hobby rather than an investment.

We have to look at gambling and investing separately. Because we all know that we invest to make a profit and invest to make a profit. And gambling should be seen as our entertainment if we waste the investment money on gambling.  We will not do this because it is a wrong idea to think of earning money from gambling so we will not spend extra money on gambling.

Ironically, while I agree gambling is not supposed to be seen as investing or as an investments. I have seen movements in the market done by some people which could be considered to be gambling instead of an actual wise move to do if they want to preserve their money and initial capital. You think about it and you will realize, it is impossible to invest in a casino (unless you can have part of the ownership of that casino) but it is very easy to gamble in the stock market and also really easy to gamble in exchanges like Binance or Coinbase, of course I am talking about the future markets. Perhaps, there is something happening with both the ecosystem of entertainment and the ecosystem of investments which pushes us all to try to seek those monetary earnings through a higher expositure to risks.
One can even seen casinos now, which have added some "trading" options for gamblers to set very high multipliers and see if they can time the market accurately enough to pockets thousands of dollars with a relatively small stake of money, obviously the risk is very high, someone who does not have enough experience in neither gambling nor reading could wrongfully say they favorite casino allows them to trade now therefore he does not need to use Binance.
Theine between a casino and an exchange can be a little bit fuzzy to many out there.  :P

Yes gambling must not the right place to investment cause we are all know that through gambling we can not predict the outcome of our bet there's a time we will win but also there's a time we will loss. And the main thing here is that we should not let that kind of mindset that e get many profits in gambling yes we all know that we can win a good amount through gambling but in the end of the day still we will loss.

That's true even though there is a chance to win at gambling  the thing you have to pay attention to is that you can't get the win according to your wishes this will happen by itself if we really have our own luck when it comes to gambling. However if we talk about gambling  and investment  I think these two things have something in common where there is the same risk namely losing money, and this definitely happens in gambling but with investment maybe this can still be minimized or prevented with knowledge or knowledge possessed  and if we gamble we must be prepared to lose because that will clearly happen given the fact that the chance of losing is greater than the chance of winning.

You really need to pay attention to this because in gambling there is no guaranteed investment  in my opinion in gambling the only thing guaranteed is that you will lose It's true what you said we have to take care of ourselves as best as possible so as not to lose large amounts of money especially in a short period of time  it would be a shame if we spent a lot of money gambling in a short time. We hope that we can be careful with the gambling we do so that we don't get triggered into gambling by continuously depositing money back into gambling.

Agree into those points above that on the time that gambling can be considered as an investment is on the time that you had invested into their bankroll and not on the time that you are
playing yet its never been considered to be an investment but rather you are the ones who do make those gambling site owners do make money into the losses you do made.
Its not really that hard on making out those kind of self realizations if you are really just that mindful about into those things in the first place. People are really just that loving
on making themselves getting blind on what are the things that they are really that tending to believe on.

this is 100% not an investment. The author in the starting post invested in some kind of hype project with a ponzy scheme and talks about the excitement that makes you want to make more profit. Previously, dice on trx were popular and there were game tokens in which they invested and part of the profit from the casino went as dividends on this token. Quite an interesting model for investing in the gambling industry, I don’t know if there is anything similar now.

Do you know that many people who invest in any investment doesn't verify very well before investment, Ponzi scheme is what people do like to do, and secondly they like to do it because they see eat as a easy access to make that is why many people like a ponzing skin so they do that because they want to make a triple of their money so that is why it is good to verify before investing in any platform investment is an investment and Ponzi scheme is an investment, investment is good for someone to understand the concepts of the investment before investment.

Don't let people brainwashed you, gambling is not an investment, when you're investing, then you don't risk the chance of loosing the entire capital on your investment, you may only experience a partial loss which is obvious not to claim your whole money, but when you're gambling, then you're taking a risk and stand a chance of loosing or winning, gambling should be seen as a means of an entertainment and nothing more, there's no assurance in making money while gambling unlike with investment, the only thing they share in common is the risk being involved in both.

Yes, people's perceptions will vary in assessing and carrying out gambling activities, there are those who dare to invest in a gambling platform because they think the platform will be safe and profitable for them in the future and of course they are also ready for this. risks he would face in the future.
However, there are also people who don't dare to invest in gambling sites because they don't dare to take risks in them because they know the risks are very big and can be very fatal, so they gamble just for fun. feel bored.

Yes, I agree with you, to be safe, we gamble only for fun, not to earn income and not to invest, so that we will not have problems with the risks of gambling.

Gambling is a paid activity, therefore many people think that it is best to use gambling as entertainment and not consider it as a side job or as an investment, because investing in gambling will only cause big losses for ourselves. Indeed investing can also cause losses if it turns out that the company we invested in experienced a loss, we can also wait for its recovery in the long term so that the investment can be profitable in the future, which is different from gambling which can drain our money in an instant and not necessarily be able to recover it.

Therefore, we have to be clever if we want to invest, choose a trusted company to invest in, such as BTC or bank sharesnin our country the most important thing is that they have a good reputation. So we don't have to worry about being cheated because if we choose trusted company I think it would be far from being a scam.

We must remember that we cannot win easily from gambling and will face a lot of losses, especially if we lose control in the middle of the game. We will use a lot of money but have difficulty winning the gambling game. Indeed, gambling and investing both risk losing money, but in investing, we still have the opportunity to profit, especially when we can choose good investments such as bitcoin. But gambling will be more difficult for us to win while it is very easy for us to lose. So it's up to us to decide which one we should choose because if we prefer gambling to invest, we have to be prepared to lose, but we can prevent many losses by applying self-control, strict limits, and discipline to avoid losing a lot.

In gambling, if we don't have self-control, we will lose because we will lose a lot of money. If we can't restore that self-control, we will run out of money, and we won't be able to recover the money we lost in gambling, so we can only regret it and mourn all the losses. When gambling, we can experience losing money faster than we imagine, so we have to be really careful in maintaining our gambling expenses. Don't have too high expectations of winning big because only lucky people can get big wins in gambling. Meanwhile, we can only try to enjoy gambling as entertainment.

OP, I find it really hard to understand what exactly is the purpose of this topic and what are you trying to say.
Are you saying that you invested in a ponzi scheme that has some sort of a bug that keeps paying you interest despite withdrawing your investment? Or are you saying that investing in ponzi schemes is good provided that it's done early?
In either case, good luck in voluntarily sending your money to scammers, I'm sure it'll work great for you in the long-run.
Also, don't go too crazy with your $6 profit.

yes, that's right, as I said before, gambling is the same as playing at entertainment venues, we have to pay to get the sensation in it, gambling should not be a side job or full time job and also not an investment, because in gambling The chance of losing money is very big, in fact I think the chance of losing money can be said to be 90% out of 100%. Therefore, we must be aware that gambling is not an investment, because basically investment usually promises to produce profits at a certain time.

It's true what you said that gambling can drain our finances quickly, especially since gambling has such a strong attraction that many people experience big losses, in my opinion it's because they are so carried away by gambling that they gamble excessively. I agree with that, if we are going to invest, we must be smart in choosing investments and must also have good knowledge to avoid the risk of loss.

with the fact that gambling can attract many people and can also hypnotize someone who is gambling so that they can lose control of themselves, and in my opinion there have been many cases of excessive gambling, causing huge losses. It's true what you said in gambling, we will only lose easily, and it is clear that defeat is of course not a profit, it is a loss that loses the amount of money we bet. Therefore, I always emphasize that gambling must be done with a budget that is willing to be lost, maybe what happens can be accepted well.

that is clear, because many people become addicted which results in the loss of large amounts of money due to a lack of good self-control. with the fact that gambling can drain our finances quickly, therefore we really have to have good self-control, don't let us deposit money back with things that are not clear, and in fact the big losses that many gamblers experience are due to mistakes made by the individual themselves, because if they have good control there probably won't be any big losses.

The fact is that gambling can hypnotize someone not to want to give up gambling easily because they still think they can win, and that means they can get a lot of money. They don't think about how many losses they have received until then because they still hope to win from gambling, so they will continue to gamble until they win. But even when they win, it won't stop them from gambling because they become increasingly greedy and want even bigger wins. Yes, we have to be able to allocate a certain amount of funds for gambling so that we don't just use more money because we will remember that other things also require money.

People who eventually become addicted to gambling cannot stop their gambling activities easily because the more they experience losses, the more eager they will be to recover their losses, which will not be easy. They can experience even more losses, and they cannot even calculate how much money they have used for gambling. That is why we must be able to have good self-control so that we can avoid the big losses that other gamblers have experienced. And with good self-control that we practice continuously, we can resist the temptations that come when we gamble so that we can stop ourselves from gambling.

The loop you describe is a financial and emotional nightmare. It sounds like you can turn on and off self-control. Not so. It needs consistent, dedicated exercise like any muscle

Funding gambling? Imagine stating, "I'll only drink poison on weekends." A bad tactic from the start. A unique concept: Why not invest in talents, knowledge, or the stock market instead of this bottomless pit? These methods yield more than a bet

Your self-control counsel is sound, yet it hardly scratches the surface. Understanding gambling addiction's psychological triggers, obtaining professional therapy, and using support networks are important. Gambling is deceptive, therefore we must educate ourselves and others and recognise addiction early. Losing oneself is more than losing money

Yes, that's right, gambling can indeed hypnotize their minds so that they continue to gamble by spending all the money they have because there are also wins that are said to be promising. In my opinion, all gamblers have the hope of winning, but this actually traps them in a phase of big losses or addiction. It's true what you said, even though they win it doesn't guarantee that they can stop gambling, but in my opinion the victory they get can actually make them more confident in gambling, where they will continue to chase the win until they actually get the win very big, but it only makes them suffer a lot of losses.

It's true that we have to have good self-control in order to avoid big losses we have to train and hone it well so that big losses don't occur. because many people experience big losses because they cannot control themselves well which causes them to experience big losses It's the same with investments,  if we don't have self-control then it's possible that bad things could happen.

I still need more practice to be able to control myself well because I feel like I often lose self-control when gambling. So with more practice, I think it can help me to improve my self-control so that I can prevent a lot of losses.

Funding for gambling is necessary so that we don't gamble excessively and can still control ourselves well. We will also try not to spend any more money if the funds we have prepared are almost gone or have even run out. We will also accept the results we get from gambling and will not try to recover losses if we lose.

In controlling ourselves, we need to find a method that suits us because each person's application will be different. They must be able to control themselves to adapt to the circumstances they face so that they do not gamble excessively. Gambling is full of temptation and if they are unable to restrain themselves, they will be tempted and continue gambling.

That's why we have to be able to control ourselves when gambling so that we don't get hypnotized by gambling and can stop gambling. Gamblers do want to win, but many of them don't realize that to win from gambling requires luck, and if they chase luck, it might make them lose a lot of money. We cannot win easily from gambling, and if we continue to gamble, we can lose more money while we cannot win. However, if we win, we must immediately stop the gambling game so that we don't have any thoughts of continuing to gamble to get an even bigger win. Chasing victory will make us forget to stop, resulting in us experiencing losses that may become bigger.

With good self-control, we can avoid big losses and it is true what you said always to train and hone it well to avoid losing money. Losing self-control will result in us forgetting our boundaries, and of course, it will also result in defeat. We can't be like that because it's the same as what other gamblers have experienced.

I also think so, there is no reason for so much risk since there are other types of investments. Virtually anything else he invests in will have a much higher level of return.

In fact, if you really like gambling, that's okay, as long as you have stable finances and have limits when it comes to gambling activities, that way I don't think there will be any bad impacts or maybe they don't need to stop gambling or give up gambling if they do. If you like, it can be done with good limits, because in my opinion many gamblers who experience big losses are because they cannot control themselves well, nor can they control their emotions so they take risky actions which end up in them experiencing big losses.

What you say is correct, by having good self-control this will not happen and perhaps there will be no discussion about the bad effects of gambling, but the reality is the opposite, there are many people who gamble excessively so they experience big losses, but even so For addicts I don't think they will think about it, maybe all they think about is gambling and winning,  so they ignore the big risks they have experienced.

With the same risks, I would rather invest in meme coins than invest in a gambler's bankroll. Because in gambling nothing is certain, so investing is quite risky, especially since we don't know whether the money we invest is truly safe or not. So with all that uncertainty, I prefer to invest in instruments with the same risk as that.

People really have to have limits when playing gambling so they can avoid the bad effects they can receive from gambling, but it seems that only a few can have them, so they are still okay with gambling. Meanwhile, other people will not be fine because many of them have lost control of themselves in gambling. Hence, they experience many losses, making their lives experience one problem after another. By having self-control and limits, gamblers can still enjoy gambling as entertainment, so they will not think of using gambling as a way to make money because they can restrain themselves from the temptations that come to them.

Having good self-control is a must for all gamblers to avoid the bad effects they will receive from gambling, and even though it is difficult to practice it, they must still do it if they want to continue gambling calmly and comfortably. But if not, they should never approach gambling because they can experience the bad effects and don't know what will happen to them because the bad effects will be different for each person. But many people end up gambling excessively, causing them to experience problem after problem that seems to have no end. They really don't care about their lives anymore because they keep chasing winnings from gambling even though they know the bad impacts they will experience.

Gambling and investing might seem like cousins, both involving risk and maybe a dash of luck, but they're more like distant relatives with different hobbies. Sure, both have risks, but not the same kind. Gambling's a crapshoot, while investing involves research, like picking the right Pokemon cards, not just throwing darts at a board.

Now, Ponzi schemes? Those are straight-up scams, like a fake treasure chest promising riches but filled with nothing but sand. They lure folks in with promises of crazy returns, but it's all smoke and mirrors, just stealing money to pay "profits" to earlier victims. Gross.

So, while blindly following others in investing isn't the smartest move, it's not the same as knowingly jumping into a Ponzi pit. Do your research, understand the risks, and don't trust anyone promising you free money just for existing. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

I agree that they are not the same things. However, as they are close, we were able to use similar strategies in both. As for ponzi, the person who gets into it already knows the risks, so if they lose there isn't much to argue about. That's why I prefer simpler bets.

It's not adviceble to invest in gambling, I can argue that gambling is differs from investing because, unlike investing, in gambling you can place bets as soon as the game is scheduled to begin and predict how it will end—winning or losing. If the team you predicted to win loses, you have no recourse and your entire investment is lost without a return. For this reason, a lot of individuals claim that gambling and investing are very different from one another.
in investing you can invest any amount of money you have and live it for extended periods of time to make sure that it's reach the high time for to earned enormous returns. Since you can able to tracked how the market is moving all the time, unlike gambling after you have already stake that's all, you don't have right to change your choice again.

Some tried to invest on this option before but they testify that its not worth it on their time since the return is so small. That's why people should not look on this option since if they think the word if they can't defeat them, join them applicable to this then better for them not to think about it since its really different scenario. If some new casino offering this then maybe they should think for it many times especially if they don't have reputation built since for sure that a ponzi scheme is running with that operation.
Maybe best they just not think about investment on gambling unless they want to create a business from it and just enjoy gambling what it can offer to them on entertainment aspects.

Yes, that's true, there are only a few people whose economic and other conditions are fine with gambling, because many of the people who gamble experience economic ruin. Indeed, gambling should only be considered as entertainment, nothing more than that, because if you consider it as more than entertainment, it can cause problems such as the loss of large amounts of money. and this has happened a lot and the case is no longer strange, I think if there are people who think of gambling as an investment, it's a ridiculous idea.

although there may be people who think that gambling is like investing or saving, where they think that with many losses there must be a win that can reverse all the losses, in my opinion there will be no end, even though they think like that I think it's just an alibi for themselves to gamble continuously. If you look at gambling and investment, they have the same side, because both of these things have the same risk of loss, such as losing the money used, but investment can be profitable if it is done with good knowledge, but with gambling there is no knowledge that can guarantee that it will can make a profit, because in my opinion gambling is completely dependent on luck but if you combine it with investing in gambling, you don't know where the profit can come from,  unless you invest in a gambling company that might make a profit. because of course gambling companies will make profits every day.

When we do talk investment then it would really be pertaining that you are really that making some investment together with the house. We've seen that there are some gambling houses or companies that do really allow bankroll investment and this is the moment that you would really be considering out that making investment in together with the house but if you are someone whose really that passing up some funds
just because you do let them make bets for you then it isnt really that investment at all. Gambling and investment is a different thing and it wouldnt really be that needing that technical thinking about differentiating the two on which it would really be that ideal on which one you would really be sticking into.

We should really be minding about sustainability and future longer runs on which we know that this isnt something that not everyone would really be mainly thinking.
Majority would really be that thinking about into the current things that they are dealing with and not really that mindful in speaking about the future
or upcoming years to come.

For me, gambling cannot be considered an investment. It's not because we always hear that an investor should know how to take risks, which immediately means gambling; of course, that's not the case. It's like in an investment: apart from knowing that what you're investing in has real potential, you're investing because you're full of heart and confident in the investment you're going into.

Unlike gambling, even if you don't do any research on games, it's fine because, most of the time, gamblers are luck-dependent, right?
And this was what the majority always did when they gambled in the casino.

If people can use gambling properly and correctly, they will not experience economic collapse, and they can even enjoy their free time by gambling. They know that gambling should only be considered as entertainment because if they go too far in gambling, they will experience losses that they cannot afford, and that will make them regret it. However, if they consider gambling a place to invest, that is wrong because they gamble instead of saving their money in the casino. They use their money to play gambling games so that if they lose, their money will be lost, and it will be difficult for them to recover their losses.

If they want to invest, they can look elsewhere, and because we are in the right forum, they can use Bitcoin as their new investment, buy Bitcoin, and keep it. That's just the right investment because they can profit from investing in bitcoin. But only some gamblers are willing to invest their money in things they should, like bitcoin, gold, or property. Meanwhile, many gamblers still use their money to gamble and hope to win so they can get a lot of money. They need to find the right investment for them, and there is no pressure if they don't want to use Bitcoin because there are many other types of investments they can try. But before they try other types of investment or even invest in bitcoin, they need to learn everything well and correctly to make future profits. Only by studying the information they get can they make a profit, and even though it takes time, they can still make a profit as long as they can wait patiently.

Gambling when fail will lose all the money bet, investing in meme coins is also the same, when coins experience significant drop in price, touching 80% to 90%, then we will lose almost all the money.
These are two things that are very risky and will only give us huge losses when they fail.
However, the advantage is that success in gambling may only be few percent, but when investing in meme coins and really succeeding, it is clear that the profit can reach thousands of times the capital.
This is why there are many people who are hunting for meme coins that have the potential to have bright future, but there will be very few coins like this.

My advice is that if choose between gambling and investing to make money then it is clear that investing is the most viable option, but must really be able to choose viable asset such as Bitcoin and this will minimize losses or failure.

Exactly this^

Why would anyone put money on a illegitimate platform which they themselves recognize as a scam? Do they think that if something happens and their money gets stolen that they will somehow be able to get it back through official channels? There are no regulators or government behind this. Nobody will help.

Investing and gambling are two completely different things and that should always be kept in the back of peoples minds. And scams are scams and have nothing to do with either other than to pose themselves to look like something legitimate.

Furthermore gambling has winning/losing probabilities, which are known. Obviously the probability of winning is always lower than losing.

That's true, considering gambling as an investment is certainly not true, because gambling will only reduce their finances. with so many people gambling, they hope that the gambling they do will generate profits, even though there is a chance of profitable winnings in gambling, it cannot be determined with certainty. Also, if they have excessive expectations, it can actually make them addicted to gambling, where they can gamble too much and that will be detrimental to themselves.

Maybe it's because we don't have good consistency that makes more people gamble instead of investing, because profitable investments are usually investments that have a long term period. whereas humans are usually impatient with processes, especially those related to profits, they are relatively impatient, so they cannot invest for a long period of time to wait for the investment to be profitable. It's true what you said, if they can patiently wait then they can make a profit.

I think any form of diversification is valid. From betting to meme coins. I don't see any problems as long as it is quite diverse. Because the returns can be quite large when you think about it this way.

The bet on investing in a currency like the meme is a valid bet, I say that betting on that is no problem, it is more focused on the iversió, but I think that sometimes the investment in games of chance refers rather to the thing that one is in a casino and then sees it as an investment, which for me is already incorrect, for that reason I say that things can change from one moment to the next, but if you see it from the point of view From the point of view of investing in some currency, that's fine, that changes the whole scheme.

Meme coins for me are very difficult to invest in, if I did it it would be because of Doge and that's because I know that Elon Musk likes it and whenever he wants he can put it there so that he can make it rise, that's what I think, of course The rest is not as easy as it seems, it would already enter the realm of just investing in cryptocurrencies.

Gambling will only give problems to people who cannot control themselves well because they will not be able to prevent loss after loss that they will experience from gambling. And the losses will be big when they really lose control of themselves from gambling. They think they are investing in gambling even though playing gambling is not an investment but using money to try to make money, which would be difficult to get.

If people could realize that they should choose to invest rather than gamble, they would see that their investments could grow and provide profits in the future. They will not lose money from their investments as long as they have the right investments, but when they use gambling, they will only lose their money slowly and will find it difficult to recover their lost money. The important thing in investing is that they must be patient until the time is met so that they can get the profits they want.

Do you know why most of the people gambles? Because they can't afford to invest, with gambling, if you are lucky, you can easily grow your money to 10 folds, or even 100 folds in just a short period of time, and that cannot happen when investing in a gambling platform. Investing is only for people who have a decent capital, and now, most of the gambling sites already have their private investors, so it's not anymore feasible for small time investors.

Actually, if we like to invest, rather choose a different industry because investing in gambling are only for those big capitalist. IMO, it's even better to invest on crypto (bitcoin or altcoins) as it could sometimes go x10 or x100.

People who own more money are usually more addicted to gambling. Common bigots enjoy gambling and hope to win common jackpots. Once their fortunes are opened, the next generation can enjoy this wealth, gambling has opened the minds of many gamblers.  That is why many people invest in gambling and they are wealthy.

Gambling isn't an investment except you are owning the casinos but as a gambler you should never consider it as an investment that you have because it's definitely not a good one to actually keep your minds on, most gamblers make this mistake of seeing gambling as an investment they have but unknowing to them that it's just mare risk and nothing more,

Investment in not gambling, although not all investment comes with certainty but it still doesn't mean that it's gambling, most investment plans are much better than gambling because except for uncertainties investment do come with some level of guarantee over a period of time which could mean for us to Be expecting with some level of assurance but with gambling you don't have any assurance as your fate is on a balance hanging unknown to you what the outcome would be

I disagree, I even believe it to be the opposite. Poorer people enjoy playing more, in proportion to their wealth. Because the rich know when to stop, otherwise they wouldn't be rich.

That's right, because gambling will only drain our finances, especially if we don't have good self-control, maybe big losses could occur, because without good self-control it can make us gamble excessively, which if we gamble too much. Too much of it will only waste the money we have. That's right, I agree with you, gambling is a game that has the opportunity to make a profit, but this is different from investment, because the profits in it are very difficult to obtain.

I myself like to gamble, and every now and then I think about the money I have lost in gambling, if it were collected and invested it might have produced big profits, but there is no point in remembering the losses that have occurred because they will not be able to be recovered. That's true. you say, even if we invest, of course we have to be patient with the investments we make because long-term investments can produce large profits, as long as we are patient with carrying them out, but with gambling, in my opinion, this cannot be said about investment because this is a big possibility. it will only be detrimental, not beneficial.

People gamble because they want to get big wins, especially because maybe they have often seen advertisements that show other people have succeeded in getting big wins from gambling. That makes them come to the casino and play the same games as those people who won. Unfortunately, they are unlucky and only experience losses, but that doesn't stop them from gambling because they will always deposit more money than before. After all, they still want to chase that big win. But if they can think ahead, they can divert money from gambling to investments where they can hope to make a profit from their investment, especially if they invest in bitcoin.

Investing in bitcoin has shown the huge profits they can get, and many people have been able to get big profits from investing in bitcoin. They should realize that they should allocate more money to invest in Bitcoin, and they can still gamble with enough money. If they lose a gambling game, they do not need to try to recover their losses but rather accept their defeat and leave the casino.

I do not agree. People will not always bet for big wins. Sometimes it's just a person having fun without such great intentions. Playing the same games that people have already played and won a lot of money is natural, anyone does it.

My opinion contradicts yours, as your statement is not factual and this conception is flawed when referring to gambling. Moreover, you should realize that addiction to gambling does not depend on the amount of money one person can spend, but rather results from his or her behavior regarding gambling.

Moreover, it is not a 100% probability that people will turn around their financial situation by hitting big wins. although there are, such kinds of people are very few in number. At the same time, most of them will experience only losses due to gambling, and this continues for quite some time. On the other hand, we must also ensure our financial security and stability as investing in gambling is not a good enough strategy to earn money since it is full of risks. Besides, wise men invest in what is known and what holds a guarantee, not in something uncertain or unclear.

Well regarding these things, I believe that a person who is rich, well things will not be difficult for him, because a rich person has all his fundamental and basic things well, he will not have need if he has great mercy in the game, But a person who is from the middle or lower class, if there is a loss, consider it, because things will be so good for us, because life will be complicated in a way that one has no idea, the person will begin to see things from a completely different point of view. , you will have other ways of perceiving things, and you will surely have to look for someone who can lend you money so that you can pay for what you lost, then that would become a great irresponsibility, in this order of things things can work out well if that is the case. as they assume, but there are times when the people say that they are of this style that they spend almost everything they have, they do not give importance to their obligations, because everything changes, it is where the person loses the interest of what is fundamental, if they have a family , it is abandoning her, it is making her enter into unjust needs, if she is a single person, she simply will not live the quality of life that she has been living.

These things are the ones that should be Avoided , this is casinos, they are games and things should focus on: Winning money and/or fun, there is no other option , even if some say no, the casino was invented to make people enjoy themselves. people, but adults, adult fun, is what we should see, that's why being only for adults, it has to do with responsibility for actions and good management of their finances, without becoming crazy, that's what What they have to do, I personally see things that way, maybe there are people who see the game differently, maybe what is fundamental for them, but not me, I am one of those who will always look for a way to do things I improve things, and if I see that I don't win , then I continue playing alone with my money because I fear losing , it is the best way to not fall into addiction.

There are two types of gamblers who have different goals in their gambling activities where some of them come only to seek entertainment and pleasure through the sensations they get and most of the others those who come to earn, I am forced to say that "most" gamblers prioritize earning over pleasure, one of the reasons is that few people are able to understand what is meant by "winning opportunities" in gambling and that is the reason why I say most gamblers come with the intention of earning. Of these two objectives it is clear however that I would rather advise anyone to choose the first point that I mentioned above that it is better to gamble for fun without putting any seriousness, because the logic is that if you are lucky enough then you will also be able to win a certain amount.

Earning would really be the one priority even if you do say say that you are really just that playing or gambling for fun but cant really be able to deny that you would really be having those kind of sudden change of thoughts on the time or in the middle of such session on which there's no way that you could really be able to make yourself that not having those kind of thoughts and impressions as you do go ahead.
On the time that you would be suffering those consecutive losses then this is the strongest emotion or feeling that you would really be needing to chase up those loses and this is something that you would really be
able to act out on that particular time. Speaking about investment then the only time that gambling becomes investment is on the time that you are investing into the house bankroll and not the ones who are really that playing into it. It doesnt really make sense if you are really passing up your deposits or money into someone who do make out some claims that they do have that good winning rate on their betting.

If we can limit our gambling activities, gambling will not drain our money, and we can also prevent experiencing large losses. With our self-control, we can gamble moderately using clear limits so that we don't spend too much money because we realize that we shouldn't do that. Using too much money will only make us experience so many losses that we really have to be able to prevent it. And instead of losing a lot of money from gambling, we should use the money to invest because it can benefit us in the future.

That is why if we can limit the use of money for gambling, we can see that we still have money to invest so that we have more hope of making a profit from the investment. These two things can go together. We can suppress the desire to gamble to continue the desire to invest because we hope to profit from investing, not from gambling. We realize that winning from gambling will never be easy, so we prefer to invest the money to have more hope of making a profit in the future. And that's where we can be wise in deciding which is better for us.

Most people bet to get big wins, but don't realise it is difficult. But that doesn't stop them from betting or reducing their gambling activities because they still hope to win. Playing gambling games requires money, but if we gamble too much, we will only lose more money. We will not be able to manage the use of money for gambling because our goal in gambling has changed to winning.

Ponzi schemes should never be classified as gambling because they have parallel motives. A lot of Ponzi schemes are just layout plans to scam people who are either not smart enough or are too greedy. Gambling on the other hand is actually a fun activity that has some added financial gains however it's unfortunate that many persons gamble not because of the fun activity but because of the added financial benefits.
The idea behind a true gamblers motive is to have some fun and hopefully make some extra money along side as he stakes. However someone in a Ponzi scheme setting is not trying to have fun but works totally with the motive of his personal gain in mind. Which is why they end up as scam victims in the end.

Yes it makes sense. Most people who register on betting sites aim to make a lot of money. But I still think it's possible to combine both for fun and gain. It's the best of all worlds. You make money by having fun

Spot on! That's the correct approach to gambling. To have fun. To put our money on the line and have a little excitement playing a game or watching a sports game. Some people/gamblers do forget this is the real essence of gambling. To play with a little risk.
Imagine a game without any money involved. I bet there's no fun in it. Even gacha gamers are spending money to make their avatar strong so that they can boast their character with their online friends or they will be called god-like in the game. However, the returns are unlikely to happen unless they can sell it.

Gambling ain't an investment. It should not be. Sure, it's the same as other investments because of risk but we cannot compare them with those. When did we have fun investing in mutual funds? I don't think that is possible, it's serious money with serious people trying to increase their portfolios. Gambling is way different from it.

where crypto gambling sites that are already popular in the bitcointalk community are open for investment. first, investment people need trust first. if don't have high trust, aka the gambling website is not yet popular, it's better to make coins and then create ico and bounty campaigns at the same time to build a community of users of the gambling website if the ico is complete.

Yes because logically everyone needs money in life and we work in the real world to be able to earn money from income and therefore I think we can no longer lie to ourselves that actually what makes us interested in getting involved in gambling because of the "winning opportunities", I'm not a hypocrite because I also wouldn't refuse if I basically managed to get a win, But maybe the difference is that there are some gamblers who understand that although casinos provide winning opportunities but on the other hand casinos also provide the other possibility of losing and with this they prioritize precautionary measures or that means gambling quite carefully and carrying a budget amount that they can only afford to lose because doubling up is a second priority. It's like balancing fun with profit by focusing more on caution and vigilance.

But yes it seems that I have to agree with your idea that even though we gamble more for fun than earning it is still possible for us to experience a change of mind where we are unconsciously trapped and instead tend to prioritize income, I think it's natural because gambling is an activity that can stimulate the brain and mind and usually the change scenario starts when there is a losing streak in each session because it is also very possible for you to eventually turn into an irresponsible gambler, and it is quite dangerous if it happens in the long run. On the other hand for the investment issue yes I agree with you that if indeed profit is your main priority then the more sensible choice is to invest in the house or casino bankrol itself in terms of helping the casino's finances to enlarge its business and not at all in the players or ordinary gamblers who just expect luck to win. It is a common notion that the house will always win and this is the reason why we advise everyone to invest in the house if you have access to it.

Its about the game, not the money. Gambling is about risk, uncertainty, and thrill. Leisure and enjoyment, but with a price. I dont invest in mutual funds or equities for dopamine. The long game, steady growth, is my goal. Different satisfaction—more cerebral, less visceral. But gambling is immediate and palpable. Its about the present delight.

Its obvious which is for fun and which for financial security. Both involve risk, but their goals are very different. Mixing them up? That's disaster-prone.

Your recommendation is a very good one, adding to your recommendation, Stake.com is a very good reliable and trusted cryptocurrency gambling site, they have got the reputation and you can be very sure your funds is very safe with them and not going to have a reason to loose your funds if you are betting with stake and making sure to keep your login details private.

If you don't give your details to a third party and exposing your account to danger, you can be very sure to have your account safe aswell as your assets too. But then you should know that as a gambler you cannot or you shouldn't see gambling as a form of investment as it's not a realiable form of investment, as it comes with too many uncertainties and it's very much luck dependent so if you are depending so much in it as an investment you will get disappointed in the nearest future and probably loose some money aswell.

I believe that if the betting site is advertising here it is already a very good thing, as in addition to contributing to discussions on the forum they also promote their brand in a healthy way.

Investment and gambling are two different things that have no comparison between them. Gambling is what we do for fun by trying our luck in predicting the possible outcome of a game, even though the addictive ones sees it as a means of income, that is why gambling addict are mostly been liquidated due to the fact that they saw it as a means of making money.

While investment is a totally different from gambling in the sense that you put your money into something or any business and be expected a profit in return in the nearest future, but what you are saying about how you invested into ponzi scheme even when you know how dangerous it is, to me it's totally unwise and it should be avoided by all means.

But will it get any easier?
Gambling sites that are already popular and exist in this community will not necessarily accept investment from everyone, they will choose and determine who is entitled to the investment cooperation that will be agreed upon.
Moreover, investing in gambling site that is already popular and has good reputation requires very large amounts of money because they have developed rapidly and the circulation of money can be said to be on very large scale, so there is no real need to encourage investment money, especially only in small amounts.
If you really want to invest more easily then choose newly developed casino, but this is risky because they have not been tested for their reputation and long-term viability so you really have to choose carefully.

It just that if I had more money and aimed to invest then I would still choose assets that I could hold in my wallet instead of investing on gambling sites.
Making Bitcoin an investment asset is the right choice in my opinion and when the price of Bitcoin declines then it is time to be able to enter and buy more, this is much easier and more profitable.
Moreover, investing doesn't necessarily have to be like investing in shares, but we can buy several assets, especially crypto which can be stored and guarded personally.

Yeah, we know that is two different thing that cannot be compared. The Investment purposes giving a profit to the Investor. While Gambling is something that uses Money to play the Game. Playing Gambling is what we do to have fun in our spare time so that we don't have to Gamble daily. It's better to get addict to the Investment rather than addict to Gambling because at least, in investment, we can have a chance to make a profit. Getting addict to gambling only gives us many problems. You need to choose what You want and if you don't want to end up by addict to Gambling, you can choose the Investment.

Investment is really different than Gambling , you don't have to confuse and not think much about Gambling. If you play Gambling too often, you can lose much money. But if you Invest in something like Bitcoin, you can make a Profit. You choose what you want , I guess you and I already know that Invest in Bitcoin is something that can give a big profit while Playing Gambling can make you lose much money.

Yes that's right, indeed if we can limit ourselves in doing gambling then gambling will not drain our finances nor will it result in many losses, but logically many people think gambling is one way to make money, it is true that the potential to make money exists but it is uncertain, because gambling is uncertain with the victory there is no pattern, trick or strategy to guarantee that you will get a win, in contrast to investment, because investment has the opportunity to get a win or profit by using the strategy and knowledge you have. But the risk of losing money in investment is tantamount to gambling.

That's right, so indeed in my opinion there is no investment in gambling that will clearly benefit,  as I have said unless it is funding the gambling industry company, maybe it can make a profit with certainty as long as the investment is really in gambling industry companies that are not deceptive.

Aren't you concerned about cryptocurrency investor who see gambling as a way of multiplying their crypto holding. Lots of gamblers are into it for millions and one reasons. And we may not be able to detect why some people are into gambling, due to the numerous reasons. However, investing on the right business can be better than hoping on gambling as a way of making money. But that shouldn't be Ponzi as Op is saying on his thread. Those can end up closing up anytime soon. The only method for making money is by building a sustainable business that solves problem. Other than that, gambling and Ponzi isn't the right choice for anybody, regardless of how promising it may seem. Moreover, some investments still are not profitable on the long run, investors, also have a fair share of losses when investing. They also need to invest time researching on the best amongst every investment available. For instance, in the crypto space, aside bitcoin, most investors are not sure of what profits their altcoin could yield them during the bull run and how much they can lose on the bear season.

Actually that is their option to see gambling is a way to double their coins amount but they must realize that gambling is not really that way as in gambling, there will be two things that they will face which is win or lose. Many people is not ready to had lose because they think that winning on the gambling games is easy while that is a wrong thing as gambling can suck their money fast without they know. People like playing gambling because they have a chance to winning much money from various gambling games but most of them aren't prepare what they need to do if they lose. They will try to recover their losses using more money while that is not a good idea as their losses can become bigger and that can make their money gone fast. Investment in the business is the right thing that they can do to grow their money but most people still not think to start and not search for more information about joining in the right investment. If they can join in the right investment such as bitcoin, they will have a chance to make a profit, which can grow their money. Before they invest in any investment, they must search for many informations to make sure that they are join in the right investment. When they don't get the informations they want, they can moves to the other thing and find what the right thing.

This is something that people should really be that realizing that both are different things and needed up with different approach so that you wont really be ending up on spending too much
money in gambling just because of wrong beliefs mind. As i have read up on other comments on which gambling could really be considered to be an investment is on when you do invest on
sites bankroll and not playing on it and this is where you would be considering about investing.Basing up on the situation on which op been said out about letting others do make out some transferred
funds for him to make that pooled bet then i dont see about getting such confidence and trust knowing that scammers are really that tons nowadays. Im not saying that he's one
but people cant just easily pass up those funds.

In essence, gambling and investment have different goals that cannot be the same, even though both have significant benefits and vice versa.
So if gambling is considered an investment, then it is a big mistake for gamblers, even rich people can go bankrupt if they have that mindset. Gambling is just for fun and gambling only has two choices, namely winning and losing. Unlike investing, we have other choices. If we are at a loss, we can choose Hold until the price rises again. If gambling cannot be controlled it will result in addiction, investing without sufficient knowledge will result in losses. This is the basic difference between the two.

Sometimes people commit a mistake for pointing out for them that gambling is another form of investment and you just need to be good on what you are doing then a good profit will come but certain realization came up once this people play in the long run since for sure they would realize that gambling is not really as easy as they thought since there will be no guarantee to gain at all here.

But if they dig up a little more information about gambling investment maybe they can find some platform that offering a bank roll investment but I don't know if there's still a old platform offering this and usually what I see especially in this forum those new people trying to offer it without any proof of existence so for that its risky for people to grab such kind of offer.

We need to look at it from different angles because there are people that investing in gambling to make money especially for the rich people. Gambling can be seen as a sort of investment that we need to do to make money.
For you to use your money to bet, it means that you are putting in a source where it's going to generate more money for you. Gambling is na investment that is why it is possible for us to triple our capital and make good money if we are lucky and knows how to go about it. Gambling is a move to make money and that is why it is seen like other type of investment we put our money to make more.

I think investing in gambling is not a good place to invest without thinking it is true that there are no guarantees and the plan will not always be correct gambling styles vary from casino to casino. Unknown results do not go in the right direction in most cases. It is better to go for currencies like bitcoin for investment other than gambling considering your security. It is guaranteed and there will be no fear of missing out just wait patiently and success will come.

Yes, but it won't always be like this. Sometimes you're not looking to make a profit, you're just there for fun, to test some strategy that won't necessarily generate income, etc. So, it's not always about gains, that's my view.

Quite difference between risk in gambling and risk face with investment, in gambling risk all our money gone after losing match prediction in sport betting or loss in casino games but difference with investment risk although price have been dropped still has opportunity still have investment assets just dropping values only and waiting for recovering to higher price.

Investing in ponzi very bad ideas and better loss money in the gambling, we can speculate with winning possibilities ration in gambling but ponzi investment quite difficult for predicting their site running how long.

The problem is many words get misused or overused to the point they lose their original meaning and two people using the same term can have two different things in mind.
I think what OP is doing is he's using the word investment very loosely, as putting money into something with the hope of a profit. Whereas the word should only be used when there's a reasonable expectation of profits and it's not down to pure luck.
So yeah, investing in gambling would mean investing in ownership in a casino or at least investing in bankroll (which some sites have offered in the past), where your profit is tied to players' losses.

To be a safe stance with your emotions in gambling, you must understand that it is a game with a highily potential of over 99% Possibilities for you to loose your funds while you stands to be lucky at when you wins.
This is not like an investment platform where when you looses your Capital you strategizes and fund again after finding the errors in your investment. This is a pure gambling which as much you stakes you looses your funds. Infact, sometimes you don't even have to feel so excited when you wins because it is like a returns from the part of funds you have lost all through out.
There is every tendencies that you must loose as much you keep on a continuous stakes
You must be ready about all these potentials about gambling before you must have stepped into the board.
Your eagerness to stake with the insightments that you must win is what you that is usually the problem while gamblers losses their emotions especially when they stakes above what they are not capable to handle if lost.
So if you must build your gambling emotions, you must be ready to undertake whatever outcome that comes out of it. You must be ready to accept it kindly when you lost and stake with what you are capable to lost.


It is necessary to setting up gambling budgets so you don't stake beyond your budget and your gambling budgets must be determined according to your incomes.
Gambling is of fun game which you literarily can't deposit more of your income in it as much it is not an investment platform unless you are chasing after profits which is really wrong for you because you would tend to fund your gambling accounts over and over even if you counts winnings in some of the days

Before one finally settles in for gambling, he should ensure he mapped out the strong and weak spots, we should be able to maintain our balance in the system because if one manages loss, it's definitely weigh out of line. Who's scared of executing Investment in gambling? We should totally eliminates the negative thoughts because this brings about failed plans and dormant growth. Investment in gambling is consider a good idea because the projects are significant and yields steady profits as long we know what we're doing.

People consider advertisement as the best form of promotion now, if a gambling site is advertised in this forum then surely gamblers will enter there. Gambling is generally a massive hero accumulation in people's present, the more gamblers are attracted to gambling, the more likely they are to lose. So you should take part in gambling by keeping yourself safe.

Generally I would agree but they can be treated similarly in finance since all ventures have risks to capital vs the reward of profitable outcome its surprising how the two may be compared in a variety of ways.   In finance its possible to buy options on an outcome where you either lose that stake or price that varies in likelihood or it pays out on the correct prediction as that outcome came true, that appears alot like a bet in its formulation.    As a consumer you would be taxed as a gambler under those laws equally for a roulette spin or a bet on the closing February price for Gold, this is the case in some countries maybe not the majority but enough that it could be recognized as two industries that converge at times.

Yes I agree. It's always good to play but always safely regardless of where you found the site. But, as I always say, it's better to have fun and go without the intention of winning, so everything gets better.

I also see investment as something very different from games, I can very well invest and make a good profit, things are different, these two things should not be confused, one thing is investment and another thing is gambling, I I have seen many who invest these concepts and make the investments as if it were a game, that is, they invest in each thing regardless and thinking that it will give them profits, it can be said that it is not the same because it can cause confusion in many people.

What I see in this is that investors are something more delicate because a person who wants to invest in anything, invests a lot of money and in the game and the investment unless they take the Native tokens of a caisnoy and invest, That is what I think can be mixed only and with enormous risk.

Investment is different from gambling or games. If someone wants to invest, he should learn about the investment before choose his investment. If he wants to gamble, he can visit the casino to gamble using some money, but he must strictly spending his money so that he doesn't lose much money. He can lose much money if he gambles without restriction but he can make money from his investments especially if he get the investments that have the potential to provide profits for him in the future.

If the investor willing to learn more about the investment program, he will not find it difficult to start investing. He only needs to use the money he can afford to invest and after that he only needs to wait for the results within a certain period. If he can get a profit from his investment, he can continue his investment or he can look for other investments that can give him more profits.

What he says is very true, in fact the people who always invest usually have great patience because that is what it is about, having patience to be able to achieve the objectives, in my case I am a person who understands the concept very well, because the investment is put and risk your money, more than anything in the long term, investment for me is that, I have read authors who are of great renown, that some I know like Warren Buffet, Kiyosakli, among others who are people who have a high financial education and They can give us the best investment advice according to what we have chosen, be it a stock or any crypto on the market, generally bitcoin is the safest stock on the crypto market, in this order of ideas for me the investment is It is quite an art, because it is and consists of buying a stock or crypto so that it gives some benefits in the long term, in the short term, depending on how the market moves.

On the other hand, what you say is very good , luck in casinos is usually one of the fundamental factors to be able to generate profits, but it is not something certain, it is not something like an investment, so the concepts are different, for this reason it is You have to consider the pros and cons of the investment and the game.

If I were the pioneer to choose with a considerable amount of money between gambling and investment, I would choose a thousand times the investment, because the casino is that enjoyment, fun and everything based on luck, those things are different in every sense, that is why You cannot mix these types of things, saying that investing in the casino is very bad, because not investing is practically spending with the possibility that your money will be multiplied or everything will be lost.

Investment are everywhere in the space, we just have to look good enough and feed myself without concerns from anybody. I've never backdown from the hands of becoming more independent in the space. The nearest future is here, none of us will be taking the mine seriously ad they're should, things will start falling apart. It's a good idea to tender investment in gambling system, it's not difficult as it all appears. I'm talking about the online gambling, they're easy to comprehend and statistically satisfy the need of their important clients.

Indeed, that's a really important distinction to make between gambling and Investment.
Gambling is mostly a game of chance and luck, where the odds are stacked against the player, because we already know that gambling was designed to always favor the casino more than the gamblers, while Investing is more about making calculated decisions based on research and analysis, in investing, you're guaranteed to make profits along the way, even of you incur a few losses, but gambling is different because winning isn't guaranteed and you even stand a chance of losing all your funds.

Absolutely correct. If it’s a ponzi site, then no matter how hard you try to gamble, you won’t be able to surpass it. You won’t be able to cashout the deposit money also. Hence it’s always advised you to gamble in sites which have strong reputation and present in the market for many years. I always don’t recommend to invest in gambling sites also. Yes you can invest in big casinos, but I hardly doubt that they accept investments from the common users.

investment and gambling if im being honest just have that really thin line that differentiate each other let us be honest here most of the people that invests in stocks are gambling their money on the future of the company we are talking about this recent histories of many stocks that got up, nobody predicted tesla could be rising so high when it was still a small company making EV right now we see AMD beating intel to a pulp because intel just couldn't produce anything good anymore literally beating intel in every sector from chip for server to desktop gaming but does people from back then know that the CEO lisa su could accomplish such feat? i doubt that other wise the value of the stock would sky rocket within an hour, most people are just gambling with stock they are betting on uncertain future, but with informed decision making like basically its like you are betting on a football club but you know this one specific club has been having high win rate this season alone meaning the odd of winning against a team that probably is having lower win rate would be higher its called informed decision making.

certainly if you think about it from my statement above we can say that there's this thin line that differentiates between the two personally I find them to be the same even more apparent with trading, since its basically just reading candle while im sure that doesn't really work most of the time.

If you already choose investment, you need to learn many things to be a strong-hand investor because not many people can be like that. They can easily get tempt by something that looks interesting and they will joined without research. This makes many people fail to make a big profit from their investment and lose their money because their mistakes. Following those big name in the investment industry can be a motivation for you because they teach many things necessary for new investors or experienced investors so they can strong to hold their investment. But every investment will have its risk so you need to learn how to minimize the risk and not makes you panic when the situation change. Before you invests in anything, you need to research and make sure your choice is right so you know how to use your investment properly.

But if that is an investment in casino, I think it's not easy because we need to research deeper to find the right casino that can gives us profit. You can search the casino that offers people to be their investors so you can get their shared in monthly or yearly. But gambling itself is not an investment and that is different from the investment.

I will also choose investment than gambling, especially investment in bitcoin because I already knew how good bitcoin performance so far. I will prefer to invest my money in bitcoin investment than to playing gambling. But until now, I am playing gambling too besides investing in bitcoin just to enjoy my spare.

Yes, if people already knows that gambling is a games of chances and luck, they don't needs to take it seriously and only comes to the casino for having fun using some money. They don't have to use more money to chases the win because that can makes a problem for them. Gambling was designed to be for fun and that's why we need to understand that point and that never breaks our limit just to enjoy our time in gambling. Casino will win much money compare to the gamblers so they need to be careful spending their money and not playing gambling excessively. There are no guarantees we can win and we don't know when we can win so why we play gambling for a long time? It's just makes us losing more money.

High-calibre ponzi scams would often allow users to withdraw together with "investment" profit in an early stage of a ponzi life. That's how they lure people in and earn their trust. When seeing very attractive yields, even the dumbest of people will get at least a bit skeptical. So they would test it by making a small deposit, wait a bit to see if they earn a promised return and then attempt to withdraw. When ponzi operators allow such person to withdraw, the new "investor" will now be at ease thinking everything is 100% legit and he will not only deposit again, but very likely, deposit much more than initially and possibly even recommend that amazing investment opportunity to his friends and family.
"Good" scammers know the basics of human psychology and know how to capitalise on it.


We used to have quite a few dice sites that allowed anyone to invest in the bankroll, but there was a lot of trust involved and I don't think there are many of them left.

Right. Gambling sites also benefit a lot from promoting gambling sites in this forum, by getting feedback from this community. The gambling community can express the good and bad aspects of a gambling site in this forum, and because of these discussions, gamblers can also make an easy decision to select a gambling site. This discussion will continue as more gambling sites come to this forum, and the gambling community can easily connect with gambling sites. Gambling sites are getting good results by advertising in this forum.

We should try as much as possible not to let the sayings of people get to us and not to talk of affecting us, most are not just worth it. We should rather have our own beliefs, but if you are such that is not so smart in thought, I think that a wise mentor or good source of information where you draw your wisdom will be a very good idea instead of letting people's beliefs toss you around.

For me, trading and investment are not the same thing and the reasons are plain. Among the reasons, gambling is an activity that is highly risky in which your entire money committed to it is at the mercy of the outcome at once. This means that you do not have the hope for a gradual increase or reduction of the money over time as prices/rates change, not to mention the retracement, reversal and all that which brings hope to investors. Once you lose the bet in gambling, all your money is gone. This often happens at once and pretty fast regardless of the amount of money you bet it. This is why they rather use wagers in gambling and not in investment.

But in investment, your portfolio could be running for years without ruining your account entirely, and you can't be careless enough to invest in a bad asset. Even if you do, you can still remove most or some of the parts of your money unlike in gambling. A lot of people have made their sustainable income in investment and some rely solely on it for their living. Can you do that in gambling? If investment is known well, it's just like a business, unlike gambling which is solely about betting on your luck in most cases. And don't let people deceive you about the future, you are actually seeing the future with your forecasts when you invest unless you are not a good speculator. If you are good, the speculation can still be more than 90% accurate, which means that you are actually investing in the future.

When it comes to crypto traffic then we do know that this forum had that so much of it, and as a business owner then it would really be just that normal that you would really be having these kind of considerations when it comes to marketing. You would surely be targeting this forum itself when it comes on seeking with crypto traffic before anything else. Advertisement on this forum
would really be something relevant and does have sense specially if your site is something connected to crypto then it would really be just that a common approach.
In regarding about those kind of pooled betting then i dont see for it to be something an investment because way or form of betting will really be that pertaining to be as a gambler
and not an investor.

Yes, eventually things can be like that, we as normal people who are in the cryypto environments, where investment exists, the casinos, exchanges, trading, we have to know that it is only what we want to achieve with each of the activities that we e we have available, that is, or we can decide only to do anything, we are people and we must take full advantage of the fact of the knowledge that we have learned from the beginning Until now , we all know in addition that investment is about putting money and expect Benefits, no matter how long it is necessary to wait, you have to wait to do it, otherwise we should not and cannot do more , in this case different ways have to be done to diversify and risk money, some, the more Daring people choose the casino, Because they like the adrenaline, because they are more daring and they are betting in the casino, in their game, others bet or invest in casinos that are made of Tokens , and that is not Bad , the aversion of Tokens is Something that if Necessary.

But the majority or what they think about the future is because they want to have a quiet life, with the things they deserve and those who think like this are undoubtedly why they go for the investment side, the investment will always be safe, but considering that the Things have to be done expecting the benefit, not withdraw our money without first seeing the benefits, the problem with investment is that you have to have the stomach to resist all economic emergencies without resorting to investment money, that is the trick, no There is another but not everyone has that liveliness, or that vision of the market, of crypto and of knowing how to navigate within the world of casinos, those who decide to invest money playing in casinos or even buying tokens, it has not gone well for them, But I have heard a lot about rollbit, which so far is a casino that has proven to be reliable with its tokens, NFTs and more.

Gambling may be very addictive, leading to bankruptcy for some people. So, while gambling and investing share certain characteristics, they are not the same thing. While both require placing money at risk, the objectives of the two activities are rather different. Gambling is all about generating a fast profit, but investing is about accumulating long-term prosperity. So I don't believe it's fair to compare the two as if they're the same thing. So, I believe it is critical to realize the particular hazards of gambling and to exercise caution when using the term "investment" to characterize it, so people who see gambling as a kind of enjoyment should play responsibly.

Investment in gambling isn't about been actively gambling online as that isn't guarantee of giving you the kind of returns rather you still stand the risk a regular gamblers has got and that's actually not investing but gambling actually so I'd you want to invest in gambling it should be such that you will be making profit more often than losses and not such that you will be loosing more than you profit that's not investing that's rather still gambling as we know it to be and not investing.

Investing in gambling could be owning a casino either offline or online, partnering with a casinos both offline or online too you may actually not be actively gambling and still be making profits off the gambling system because that's actually the investment which you have done already with the site and the platform or the partnership where you get a certain percentage either daily, weekly, monthly annually or as the case may be.

In my opinion, there is no investment in gambling if we only act as gambling players, unless we help fund a casino company, maybe that could be said to be an investment in gambling. The ridiculous thing I once heard from a gambling player was when he experienced losses which were more often obtained by the gambling he did, he thought he was investing because later there would be a win which would be the same as a profit, in my opinion that was ridiculous. I admit that in gambling there is a chance to win, but this is not certain, and even if I win at gambling, I don't think it will be able to cover the number of losses that have already occurred.

Well, that makes sense, if we actually have funds that are stored in a casino company in the sense that as I said above, helping to fund the casino company can be said to be an investment, because the profits have big opportunities and the timing can also be determined with certainty. I agree with you, with what you say it is possible that we are not actually actively gambling and are still making a profit from the gambling system because that is the investment you have made with the casino. that's what is called investment.

Regardless on how you explain investment in gambling, the key points there is to be profitable. Best way is to start a casino, or be one of the investors as most likely casinos will be profitable as long as it's run effectively.With their house edge,  that's the factor that will remain and no one could beat a casino in the long run since they are in control of the system, gamblers can chase losses but casinos always has the right to limit bets to ensure they will remain profitable at the end of the day.

Other is investing on your skills. Like poker or sports betting, if you got skills that will generate money for you, some may call it gambling because they are not consistent, but you got skills you can call it like investing on yourself.

Usually rich people mostly participate in gambling for fun. Because they have no shortage of money, they love to gamble, but those gamblers who indulge in gambling because of the greed of money usually face more losses. So it is better not to choose gambling as a source of income, whenever you choose gambling as a source of income you will start losing again. Because you can't free yourself from thinking and being addicted to money, you are more likely to become addicted to gambling and lose.

That is very true, personally I have always said something, a person with more money is always easier to do anything, people who spend money in the casino that way even find it fun, but when it is with people like We, who basically have everything accounted for and have to Manage well, cannot get so attached to the game, because that implies a lot of money spending, and that is what we must control, if we have more money to play we would be "sacrificing" the money to many things that are really useful and that we need and that already enters into the person's degree of irresponsibility, that is not good, so when we are with certain emotions sometimes we even forget the value of money and we concentrate on the game, and that is very bad.

If we do not keep control, we could go in the direct direction of Addiction and that is Something that we must avoid at all costs. If there was a way to warn everyone that it would be better to control their money before the emotions, well, I think that many They would not fall into addiction.

True, I agree with you that I think it is quite reasonable to say that more rich people gamble with the aim of just finding entertainment to fill their boring free time and also to relieve fatigue from taking care of a lot of work, the logic is as you say here that rich people are not short of money and they already have the right way to make money so that they can become rich people. I think it is a fact that most people come with the aim of winning, many factors can be used as reasons and drivers, such as those who have a financial situation that is concerning or means below average where they even have difficulty making ends meet, and not infrequently I find that there are some gamblers who come with the intention and purpose of earning to change their lives, which there are even some people who think that gambling is a quick way to get rich.

I think it's a fact that the people who experience downturns in gambling are those who come with the intention and purpose to earn, one of the reasons is because it is clear that gambling is not a place to earn, all the wins that are there are always "coincidental" which means that you will not always be able to get, and obviously when you don't win then that means you lose or lose money, and another reason why gamblers who come to win instead lose large amounts of money is because they usually gamble in an excessive way and are different from the approach taken by gamblers who come only for entertainment.

Many of the rich gamblers doesn't really have to think of the money that they're going to lose. If they lose this day, they'll generate new money tomorrow and that's how they do it with their businesses or riches. The wrong call with many other gamblers is about thinking that gambling can be an investment which is partly correct and wrong. Investment in the sense that you have invested to the casino itself but you're not a gambler. The other one that's being thought is that you deposit with your money and you'll gamble it through the casino as a gambler. Not every deposit you do is gonna be called as an investment. It is far from being a real investment that will just grow overtime based on the asset and investment that you've chosen. The casinos have got their own investments as well that are being offered to their users but majority of the casinos today have limited their investment offers through their bankroll investing.

I understand what you are saying which means that rich gamblers don't really care about losing or losing doesn't have a fatal impact on their financial balance which is because they have income from many sources of business that they run so losing in gambling may not really matter, but still it also depends on the amount of defeat because if for example it turns out that the amount of defeat is large then obviously it will definitely disrupt the financial situation.

Gambling is not a kind of investment, although both have the possibility of loss but still these two things cannot be equated because it is clear as we know that there are quite a lot of people who have managed to achieve success by investing, while I have never seen any gambler who managed to achieve success only by gambling which is nothing more than a "possibility" activity full of uncertainty. But the story will be different if you put money in the casino to help develop the casino, such as working with the casino which means you are not a gambler but someone who helps budget to develop the casino which means yes it can be called an investment because there will be a profit sharing agreement with the croupier from the revenue generated by the casino, if you are a regular gambler but say that gambling is an investment activity then it is wrong, because most likely you will only make the casino richer with the number of losses you will experience.

Investing in a project that exhibits the characteristics of a Ponzi scheme would indeed be highly risky and is generally considered a scam. The structure of such schemes is unsustainable and illegal, as they don't generate any actual profit.
Im not sure why you did it, but for sure it's not an investment and not gambling.

I don't really see how this matches up, so its possible for someone to actually give the casino money as part of investment without gambling there, I don't really get🤔🤔. For me what I feel is being related here is when gamblers have hope that the funds they are actually losing is being kept as investment until the day they win it back with the hopes of even winning bigger but truth be told that's wildly impossible but a small percentage of gamblers do actually get to win above that threshold of money lost but it very rare.

Sincerly speaking I am equally as confused as you are. But what I understand from peoples coment I believe he is talking about investing or gambling on Ponzi scheme. But I don't fancy gamble on Ponzi scheme instead I use it to buy some Bitcoin and allow it to grow gradually than investing it on Ponzi.

Investment in gambling this is not new to me I hear there was also an investment in a gambling site back in 2015 so basically a user can invest directly into platform to earn more money without doing nothing back then there is a site called bitdice.me if I don't mistake offered service like this but the APY usually no fixed and can up and down on weekly or monthly basis.

What site did you invest your money currently?

Today Im rarely see a gambling site offered investment for its user the last time I heard is BitVest they offered gambling site and investment at the same time but I never tried it before. Tho most gambling sites is profitable but I don't recommend this personally because the high risk of being loses and not fixed apy

As for the difference between gambling and investing, I think gambling is a risky proposition. When you gamble, your money is most likely to be lost and there is the most risk involved. But when you invest you definitely don't risk it as it will help you a lot to hold for long term from which you can get huge amount of money profit. But people are basically more interested in gambling in this regard, and they expect more profit from gambling. Although people gamble to get rich quick because a person always thinks about his luck and gambles so that he can hit the jackpot and own money quickly. But most of the time such risk never works for individuals, rather few people have such good luck and can hit the jackpot. Now, investing can be done by all types of people, but you have to invest as much money as you can afford to lose. As much money as you can afford to lose in any business, you have to put money into it only if you are able to make some profit from that investment in the future. But investment can expect much more profit compared to gambling and if it is invested for long term then you will surely get good profit from it at some time. So I think investing is the best but gambling it can lose you money anytime and ruin your life if you become addicted.

I’d agree with the core of your argument, gambling and investing both involve risk, but their approaches are fundamentally different. Gambling relies on luck for quick wins but often leads to losses and can be addictive. Investing, on the other hand, is about careful analysis and long term strategy, aiming to minimize risk and grow wealth over time. While both can be risky, investing is generally seen as a more sustainable way to achieve financial growth.

It is more probable to invest in classic casino (https://casinos.fyi/casino/casino-classic-review/) stocks. Casino stocks are based on locations - online casino vs land based casinos.

The casino always have the edge when you gamble, but opposed gamblers, investors in casino stocks are on the right side - the earning side.

Online gambling is good investment, and casinos businesses pay investors large profits from the casinos's revenues, without gambling on a single dime.

We are many struggling to get the actual details of this post. At first, seeing the topic of the thread I think he wants to talk about investment in gambling but reading through the thread, all I see is how he risk his money on a ponzi platform. Well, what Op fail to understand is that these three things gambling, investment and ponzi are not the same and they operate on different level. Op is into ponzi and he's very much aware but he may likely regret it because the strategy and techniques he thinks works for him doesn't always play out. Some ponzi platforms don't care whether they have less participants or not, they can run away anytime they feel their mission is accomplished. Risking someone's hard earned money in ponzi is never an investment and should not be publicly encouraged.

Unfortunately, we still have people who believe in and risk their hard-earned money in ponzi schemes. These are the people who end up generating engagement so that these types of scams continue to occur. Therefore, if you are going to bet, look for renowned platforms that have a safety record.

Gambling is not an investment and investment cannot be the same as gambling. Investing capital investment activities for a certain period of time to expect a return. Investment consists of several types that can be done by someone who wants to do it.
Gambling is an action carried out by risking. If the choice is correct or the game played wins, the player will get a reward.
I can't clearly understand what you mean.

For example, if I choose to invest in Bitcoin or gold, can my action be considered gambling because I never know the price of Bitcoin and gold in the future.
Don't confuse gambling with investing.

Nothing is confusing about the perspectives of people regarding gambling. When the word "gambling" is mentioned, I don't quickly think of the casino, my thoughts fall in similar sense of what Op just said. For instance, when you invest into cryptocurrency and you're not sure of the outcome, it sounds as gambling to a lay man. But already existing crypto users wouldn't see it as gambling, because of their knowledge of bear and bull run. Then hodling techniques. Yet in a more literal sense whatever a person does and isn't sure of the results or outcome can be tagged gambling. Because that's what gambling does to its participants.

Coming to the concept of the casino games and gambling industry, participating in gambling isn't an investment, due to the nature of the game, and how people can easily lose out all their efforts. So, the meaning can be affected based on the different context. A person can decide to gamble on a decision that'll make his next day better. Since he doesn't know what is about to happen the next minute, he's only speculating, and his decision may not work as planned.

Yolodice was the best platform before when it comes to gambling investment. As of now, I've checked other gambling sites and they are paying less interest on this kind of scheme. It's given especially with the wild movement of Bitcoin and altcoins so I think they are just trying to keep themselves safe from getting bankrupt when something big suddenly pops out.
I think I'd rather keep my Bitcoin for now because with this high fluctuating market, scams are just in the shadows waiting to attack.

The point of the problem in my opinion is in their understanding, or I mean they misunderstand what gambling really is and most likely they only see in terms of winning opportunities without noticing that in gambling there are other things that are far more dangerous such as the significant negative impact that will appear when someone enters the addiction phase consciously or not. As you said that many people risk the amount of money from their hard work at work, if for example the amount allocated is in accordance with their abilities then maybe it will not be too much of a problem, but as a fact that most of them risk a really large amount of money that there are even some of them who risk everything in just one round that is full of uncertainty. On the other hand, I do agree with you that it is advisable to look for some reputable casinos that are trusted by most people to minimize the possibility of ponzi schemes, it can be relied upon although not completely.